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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey, juky, I'm really

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Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, alas Nandez.

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Speaker 1: Polle, Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted

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Speaker 1: by ros Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 1: that I like about the paranormal. We have got a

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Speaker 1: three peat customer, Curly Velasquez on the show, Gotta love Them.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that in the second. But hey, here's

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Speaker 1: one from the Facebook group that we have. Oh, can't

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Speaker 1: forget about the Facebook group. It's called Ghosted by ros Hernandez. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. This story here. This is from jen Zella,

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Speaker 1: who writes, my grandmother passed in twenty eighteen, and it

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Speaker 1: devastated my whole family. She was a woman of God.

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Speaker 1: I never doubted her faith or her love for her family.

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Speaker 1: And she was an avid chainsmoker. These three things sort

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Speaker 1: of anchored the moment I'm about to share. Mama and

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Speaker 1: I were out to pick up candy for Easter baskets

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen for my nieces and nephews, and we

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Speaker 1: were the only car visible either way on a long

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Speaker 1: stretch of Interstate It was a beautiful sunny day. At

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Speaker 1: the time, we were in my mom's very pristine car,

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Speaker 1: complete with leather seats that were in better condition than

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Speaker 1: most people's real skin, soyel this car had never been

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Speaker 1: smoked in. We were talking about a certain face book

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Speaker 1: post of this poem of a mother's prayer that talked

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Speaker 1: about how a mother's love is never ending, and we

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Speaker 1: No sooner than we said a mother's prayer, the car

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Speaker 1: filled with a completely invisible fog of cigarette smoke. Mama

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Speaker 1: and I got slack jawed and stared at each other

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Speaker 1: with eyes as wide as saucers for a moment, and

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Speaker 1: then we each smiled and simultaneous shock and comfort. I

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Speaker 1: shouted Grandma Joe at the exact moment Mom shouted, it's Mom.

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Speaker 1: It was a beautiful moment that had us in tears.

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Speaker 1: Fast forward to two years ago, my Auntie, who also

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Speaker 1: had been an avid chain smoker, passed away pretty suddenly

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Speaker 1: and unexpectedly. Mama, in the new car she had just bought,

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Speaker 1: was on her way to town to see my cousin

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Speaker 1: a few days after losing my aunt and wouldn't you know,

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Speaker 1: on a stretch of country road with no other cars

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Speaker 1: fog of fresh cigarette smoke. I'm obsessed. Thank you Jenzila

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Speaker 1: presenting that. That to me is just such a I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a beautiful story, but it's also like such

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Speaker 1: a fun, funny way to like make your presence known.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it works for like people that smoke weed,

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Speaker 1: or like people that vape, or like, because you always

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Speaker 1: hear about like yes, cigarettes are cigar kind of smoke

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Speaker 1: smelled or pipe tobacco, these old ghosts that would smoke it,

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Speaker 1: But like I don't know, I'm just obsessed with it,

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Speaker 1: Like get out those Marlboro reds. Well, thanks for sending that, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Carly Velasquez is hilarious to me, gorgeous as well, and

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Speaker 1: an internet personality, famously for BuzzFeed. And he's been on

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Speaker 1: the show multiple times and always has great stories. And

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Speaker 1: U let's do it. Here's me and my friend Curly

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Speaker 1: Velasquez and with the show. Oh my god, we have

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Speaker 1: a three peat customer here. Curly, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. You already know

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with you.

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Speaker 2: I live for you. I live for you, like talking

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Speaker 2: and sassing the ghosts and the spirit world, and they're

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Speaker 2: not ready for you.

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Speaker 1: Somebody has to I think that's the problem. They either

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Speaker 1: get just screamed at or people being like it's okay,

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Speaker 1: you're just misunderstood. And I'm like, if you're an asshole,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get talked to, like an asshole gets talked to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't care if you're dead or alive. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I have this weird thing where like, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we can dive into whenever, but whenever I dream about

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Speaker 2: like it's my natural like instinct to be like what

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Speaker 2: so you're here, what's what's going on?

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Speaker 1: You know, They're just like, hey, how are you? You're like, eh, yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: No, When people come talk to me in real life,

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Speaker 2: I'm very like, how are you tell me about your life?

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Speaker 2: Like super welcoming. There's just something about my dreams where

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Speaker 2: So that's the one that I'm like, it was so

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Speaker 2: weird that I would just felt it in my dreams

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Speaker 1: So you're like a psychic like that now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to get better. I dreamt that

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Speaker 2: and so like things like that, like I don't I

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Speaker 2: But like I dreamt about September eleven, I dreamt the

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Speaker 2: and then I woke up again and my house was

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Speaker 2: like right before Lisa left, Di Lopez died. I dreamt

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Speaker 2: I'll dream it, but I can't pin it.

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Speaker 1: What we never got into this because I think I

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Speaker 2: So my grandma passed away last year. She was like

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Speaker 2: you know, like we were just like I know that

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Speaker 2: would always say, Like gimmick wenthess is like what do

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Speaker 2: about yourself. And I still do that all the time.

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Speaker 2: And the way that I feel like that has opened

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Speaker 1: When you have these prediction dreams, like how do you

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Speaker 2: I have different signals, so one of them, one of

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Speaker 2: And so I walked around and they were like, we're

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Speaker 2: And I remember hearing them like the most beautiful voices,

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Speaker 2: I had this dream. He actually got upset with me.

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Speaker 2: He was like, I'm on my way to work and

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Speaker 2: you just triggered me deeply, Like my dad, who hasn't

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Speaker 2: been in my life for years, like just hit me up,

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Speaker 2: would I. Other times, I'll dream. I dreamt that my

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Speaker 2: was gonna have a girl. I hit him up. I

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Speaker 2: woke up at three in the morning. I texted him

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Speaker 2: at three in the morning. I said, sorry to bother you.

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Speaker 2: I had a dream that I think is going to happen,

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Speaker 2: and I think you're gonna have a baby. He laughed.

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Speaker 2: He thought it was cute. Come to find out his

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Speaker 2: wife was actually pregnant, but they didn't know. They hadn't

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Speaker 2: taken any of the tests. But I guess that was

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Speaker 2: the week that they had conceived. So we did the math.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So like things like that, like I'll know. So it's

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Speaker 2: dying conversations. And then the last one is if I

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Speaker 2: It's like I'm seeing the dream as if I'm wearing

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Speaker 1: I have always had a theory that it's because I

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Speaker 2: It's low budge, you know, like when you are falling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a through line.

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Speaker 2: There's a through line exactly. I feel like when there's

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Speaker 1: Because like I was convinced for a while that it

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Speaker 2: But are you a serial killer?

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Speaker 1: Not that I know see that would take commitment, and

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Speaker 1: I just don't think I could commit to the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But low key, wouldn't you be such a fabulous serial killer?

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Speaker 2: Not to make glight of like being a murderer, but

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Speaker 2: imagine you like being like, you know, the topic of

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Speaker 2: There'd be another Netflix show probably about you being a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like way too long, even though like

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I feel like I couldn't be a

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Speaker 1: Right, did I hurt their feelings when I murdered them?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Or you're hanging up with someone and you're like

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Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe I told them to shut up?

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Speaker 2: Why would I tell them to shut up? What's wrong

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Speaker 2: with me? Like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can.

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Speaker 2: I can barely keep my thoughts in line when I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be me. I'd be like, why did

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Speaker 1: No? I don't. But anyway, I'm not a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: But I think what people have convinced me is that

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Speaker 1: I don't dream because I'm at peace. My brain gets

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Speaker 1: like a like, I don't get awoken by dreams. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? Do you have like

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, because some people don't have inner monologues.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, it's a full on audiobook podcast

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Speaker 1: over here at all times. Wait, let's go back to

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Speaker 1: your grandma stuff. So you find yourself talking to her

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, like one of the things was my grandma's

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Speaker 2: Flick of the lights. And you know, my grandma passed

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Speaker 2: like you'll feel them with you. You'll start to dream

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Speaker 2: I somehow can breathe life into her. I say, I

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Speaker 2: Right then, anywhere that I go, if I see a

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm trying to fight a little bit

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Speaker 2: that I can answer for you? And that was my

432
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: last question. And I felt very much like, oh yeah,

433
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 2: that's got to be something that's got to be I

434
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: texted my ex's roommate and I was like, Hey, sorry

435
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: to bother you, but do you remember when this used

436
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: to happen? And she was like, that actually stopped happening

437
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: once you guys like broke up, once you were gone,

438
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: that never happened again.

439
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: Weird.

440
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: It felt like a signal to me that my grandma

441
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: was like I was there, because that's when it would

442
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: happen when I would be with him, And it almost

443
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: felt like her being like and here I am again

444
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: to validate that I was there. Oh, I'm like really

445
00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: fighting like tears now, like just kind of thinking that

446
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: they are there with you. They will give you signals

447
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: if you ask for them, if you believe that they

448
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: have the power, if you believe if you give them

449
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: that kind of space and energy in your mind to

450
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: be like, I know you're there, You're just in the

451
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: next room. I know you can hear me, I know

452
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: you can feel me, you know. And I came back

453
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: on by the way, and the medium was like that's

454
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 2: so crazy. I'm like, you know, yeah, it happened. I

455
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: don't want to like, I don't want to like over

456
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 2: not compensate, but I don't want to give it more

457
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: meaning than maybe it was, but it's what happened, right,

458
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: And she was like, by the way, when you got disconnected,

459
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: I did hear your grandma say that she was there.

460
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: And she also the medium also read me a little bit.

461
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, you stayed there longer than you

462
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: should have because you thought that he was handsome and cute,

463
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: like you stayed there based on books. And I was

464
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 2: like not getting read by like my grandma on this medium.

465
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: But you know, since then, since all my Grandma' stuff,

466
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: like it's been really anytime I see a signal from her,

467
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: it's my thing is always like flickering lights, like always

468
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: like thank you for being with me. And she gives

469
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: me other signals too. People ros people come up to

470
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: me all the time, Like I went to the White

471
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: House and somebody at the White House was like, I

472
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: love your grandma so much. You know, I'll be at

473
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: a bar, people will come up to me random and like,

474
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,719
Speaker 2: I love your grandma. Restaurants, whenever I'm scared or feeling

475
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: some sort of way, people will always come up to

476
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: me and go, oh, I love your grandma. You know.

477
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, like I actually started to

478
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: post a lot of videos of our relationship before her dementia,

479
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: and people fell in love with her because she was

480
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: rowdy and crass.

481
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd loved her too.

482
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people like really loved her even in her dementia.

483
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: And so when people come up to me at random

484
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: restaurants or wherever and they're like, hey, I just want

485
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: to say that I love your grandma so much, I

486
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: still feel like that's her. I still feel like, you know,

487
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: Maya Angelo has this beautiful poem called like Love Liberates,

488
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: and she's like, I'd love to have you near me.

489
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: I'd love to have your voice in my ear, but

490
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: I know that that kind of happen now. And I

491
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: feel like that's very much like my grandma. Like I

492
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: feel like I'd love to be close to you, but

493
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: that can happen. But for now, I love you, and

494
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 2: I'm I'm here all around you. You know.

495
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: I keep thinking that the light behind you is flickering.

496
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a jet, Like the camera

497
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: is like adjusting every time.

498
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: Oh I see yeah, when I move, yeah, yeah, when

499
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: I move yeah.

500
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: But in my mind is flickering.

501
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's flickering every time it's like a just bee.

502
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all so beautiful.

503
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: I will say too us like when people pass over,

504
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: if you keep talking to them and you keep them

505
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: in your daily like, I'm sure it's inevitable that you'll

506
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: dream about them. And so I still dream about her

507
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, I'll dream that she's like

508
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: there with me and chilling. And sometimes she's a little

509
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: bit older. Sometimes she's a little bit younger. U. Sometimes

510
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you what are you doing here?

511
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm here with my friends like back up,

512
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like you should be in bed,

513
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: like who you ow? Who's taking care of you?

514
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: That's so cute, Like her and her girls are like,

515
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: oh and you know, be fun. Let's go on, yeah

516
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: to Curly's dreams.

517
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, like let's just go hang out. I feel

518
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: the difference between her when she visits me and then

519
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: when I feel like spirits talking to me, Like when

520
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: I feel like, oh, this is a ghost talking to

521
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: me about something that I can't I don't know how

522
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: to help.

523
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: I need to get on the list for your dreams.

524
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: I want to hear a prediction, you.

525
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: Know what I started doing and then I stopped, and

526
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm now I'm kind of like worried about doing it again.

527
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 2: But I started doing what is it called when you

528
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: do like writing?

529
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: Automatic writing?

530
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: Oh? Automatic writing? Yeah. I started doing automatic writing for

531
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: a friend and I predicted like a whole bunch of

532
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: stuff for her. Like I was just like, this is

533
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: what I see your partner going. I see them dating

534
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: this individual, I see travel for them. I see like

535
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: different financial things.

536
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: When you're awake, you can do this.

537
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: When I'm awake, I go. I try to go in

538
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: the in between, So I'll sit at my table, I

539
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: put my head down, I try to fall sleep a

540
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: little bit, and I asked my questions and then I'll

541
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: come out. But it scares me to do it because

542
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't want to say things to

543
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: somebody that I feel like might like inspire, I guess,

544
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: or like not inspire, but kind of like make them

545
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: go a different way, right, If that's not what's the truth.

546
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: That is the tough thing with prediction. Yeah, you know

547
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: it can influence people's decisions exactly.

548
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean. I had a psychic tell me years ago

549
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: when I was twenty two. She was like, you're going

550
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: to meet a Capricorn. In every Capricorn that I met,

551
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: I was like, are you the one? Are you the one?

552
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: Are you the one? And like for years I was like,

553
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is it. And I'm like now

554
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm older and I'm like, I'm not fucking dating a Capricorn.

555
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah right. I love myself too much, you know I would.

556
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: I would never shout out to the capricorns listening.

557
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: Wait, okay, so can you do it right now?

558
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: Do it right now? Yeah, you know what. I will totally.

559
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Why don't I do it for you? Like one of

560
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: these nights. I usually do it at night. I light

561
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: all my candles. I ask both my grandmothers to come

562
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: and help me. It's kind of like a little bit

563
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: of like a ceremony. When I go in the in between,

564
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: I kind of pretend like I'm wearing let's say you

565
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: want a reading on like an X or something. I

566
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: go in and I wear your ex like a costume almost.

567
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: So I'll look at my hands and I see their hands.

568
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: I picture like what would I feel like if I

569
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: had their face, their hair, their body? How would I sit?

570
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: How would I stand? And then I go, what am

571
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: I thinking? What's what is my movement. What's happening with me?

572
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

573
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: And so then I can start writing according to that way.

574
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I told my girlfriend, I was like, I

575
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: see travel I'm like, I see you traveling. She had

576
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: just gotten a new job and like, the job is

577
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: going to send you somewhere with a swamp. I don't

578
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: know why I see a swamp. And her first trip

579
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: out with that job was she sayed in something called

580
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: like swamp land, and she was like, it's so wild

581
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: that exactly what you were describing day is what I'm

582
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: seeing now. I do want to practice it more. My

583
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: best friend, who I'm sitting next to, she's also like

584
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: super psychic. She's more psychic where like you can ask

585
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: her something and she'll kind of just feel it. She

586
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: can feel more like intuition and she'll dream it too.

587
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: And then my dad, by the way, who has to

588
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 2: My dad has the worst, one of the worst cases

589
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: I think of ADHD that I've seen where he blurts

590
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: things out as you're talking. He won't let you finish

591
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: a sentence. But lately I've been like, oh my god,

592
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: I think you're predicting shit. Years ago, I ran into

593
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: this guy and I was like, oh yeah, that guy

594
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: was this is that guy's name. Like I had a

595
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: crush on him, but you know, he didn't like me back,

596
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: and he was like, he likes you, you guys, that's

597
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: something there. He likes you. And I'm like, what you

598
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: tripping down? You're just saying that because you're my dad.

599
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: That ended up being my boyfriend for like three years

600
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: literally like a little bit after that visit. So just

601
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: blurted something out the other day about another ex and

602
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I believe it, Like it's true.

603
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Did your grandma have this gift?

604
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: My grandma didn't necessarily talk about being psychic, but she

605
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: did practice bluheia. That's something that she also passed down

606
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: to me in a little bit. In ways, Actually, we

607
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: all practice some sort of magic. I feel like a

608
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: lot of Latinos, a lot of people of color from

609
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: different cultures practice their own forms of magic without calling

610
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: it magic, right, Like you know, for us, it's like

611
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: don't put your purse on the ground, right because you'll

612
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: welcome and it's superstition, right.

613
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: A lot of superstition, like because you'll.

614
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: Welcome bad spirits or you'll lose money if you want

615
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: to like In my family, we practice like candle magic,

616
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: so like if we want something, we'll light a certain

617
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: type of color of candle. White candles are always for

618
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: protection or when somebody passes away, or we have a

619
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: prayer and intention, we always light a white candle. My

620
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: mom's mom gave her a spell for when she believed

621
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: that my sister got sick with something. My mom had

622
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: to go around and collect trash from all around La

623
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: and then bring it home. And this was in the eighties,

624
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: and she had to like burn it. She had to

625
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: put a little bit of that smoke like over over

626
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: my sister and it was supposed to kind of heal

627
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: whatever curse or whatever my vision or evil spell was

628
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: put on her. So you know, little things like that.

629
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: So my grandma wasn'ts like it. But you know, when

630
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: she passed, we found like letters like almost like little

631
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: curses and spell she put on ex husbands. We thought

632
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: all her oils, her oils are like run Satan run

633
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: or like binding people to her, you know, just different

634
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: things that she just kind of There's a spirit called

635
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: San Simon. He's a Guatemalan spirit. Were Salvadorian, so we're neighbors.

636
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: The way that you praise San Simon is to give

637
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: him alcohol, cigarettes, and porn. And yeah, my grandma's going

638
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: to tell me about him. My grandma was like, yeah,

639
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: you know, he gives you what you want if you

640
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: want to work with him, work with him, but just

641
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: know that he's also a very jealous spirit, so he

642
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: doesn't do well with you. You have to work with

643
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: the spirit only.

644
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so things like that way, but he wants porn, alcohol,

645
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: and cigarettes.

646
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's actually based on like an indigenous spirit.

647
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: And the story of him is that he basically was

648
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: just a bad boy, like sounds like it. Yeah, he

649
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: would steal your girlfriend, like when the men would leave

650
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: the village, he would sleep with the wives like sam.

651
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: But he was still loved and adored and just highly

652
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: revered and so like he is kind of one of

653
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: those spirits that a lot of people who wanted to

654
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: practice like mischievous stuff, I think would pray too.

655
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking this up right now.

656
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, Son Simon obsessed. There's a really beautiful botanica

657
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: on Pico in La called Templo the San Simon. It is.

658
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: I just got the chills again. I have to warn you,

659
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: like this is not like House of Intuition. This isn't

660
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: like somewhere cute where you go and you buy like

661
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: your blueheta ya stuff. This is a real like the

662
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: minute you walk in, the air is heavy. You leave

663
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: feeling haunted, like, yeah, he has this beautiful uh kind

664
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: of like chapel to the side with the massive statue

665
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: of San Simon and people come in like candles. There's

666
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: cigarettes all over him. There's like porn magazines, shots of alcohol,

667
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: and then next door is like to him is like

668
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: La Moue and Lamueta is another spirit that a lot

669
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: of people work with to kind of make things happen.

670
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, I want to go.

671
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: You should go.

672
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I haven't been to like a real like Botanica in

673
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: a minute.

674
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah you should go.

675
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I do go to nowadays. A

676
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: lot of these just like they're very light and candles

677
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: and they're good energy. Yeah, I want some lady back

678
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: there like with one eye, just like, yeah, it looks

679
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: like she's eight hundred years old.

680
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Like he definitely has that, and he works with both spirits.

681
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: So a lot of times people work with the light

682
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: and the darkness to make things happen and so he's

683
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: I believe that he's one of those not to put

684
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: anything on him, but I believe that he's one of

685
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: those that will work with both to help make your

686
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 2: intentions happen.

687
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: God.

688
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: So I actually feel like that's why I'm also in

689
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: tune with a lot of different things in terms of spirit,

690
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm good enough to be protected

691
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: and loved, but I feel I feel a little mischievous,

692
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: and so I feel like a lot of the mischievous

693
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: spirits are like like him. He's giving like cheshire cat vibes.

694
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: You know, he gives a little bit like will he

695
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 2: lead Alice down the right path? Or will he lead

696
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: her to her like her death to like the Queen

697
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: of hearts?

698
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: You know, are you tell me more about your superstitions.

699
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I'm so into that in terms of like, are you

700
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: a big believer in like the evil Eye?

701
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: So funnily enough, I would say that I'm not necessarily

702
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: superstitious when it comes to evil stuff, like I actually

703
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: feel when someone's like, oh, be careful, you're gonna get

704
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: the evil eye, or be careful someone's gonna put a

705
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: spell on you. I'm very big on number one. I

706
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: believe in the great source that connects us, all the

707
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: energy that loves us. I believe in God. I believe that,

708
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: like we are all manifestations of the Creator, and we

709
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: are all kind of children of God, right and so

710
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: I feel very much like that energy loves each and

711
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: every one of us so fucking much because we are

712
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: a part of it. That me being sending something to

713
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: you is essentially coming back to me, right like, And

714
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: so I feel like this energy will protect me because

715
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: it's already a part of me. I'm a part of it.

716
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: The other part of it is like both of my

717
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: grandmothers have passed. Like, if you know any Latina, any Ala,

718
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: any like woman of color, any woman who loves their

719
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 2: child and their grandbabies, you know that women will fucking

720
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: slice anybody who fucks with their kids, you know that, right?

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, for me, the idea that my boy

722
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: lass I have fias on the other side, primas I

723
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: have girlies on the other side. I know that my

724
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: girls in life and in death would slice anybody who

725
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: would fuck with me. I just feel and I have

726
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: my pipple who just passed away, please.

727
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Oh please, I have a literal.

728
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: Pipple on the other side. Like, so I just for me.

729
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: I don't have any time for like bad luck. I'm like,

730
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: have you read the news, have you seen like my

731
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: toxic glass relationship? Like I'm not worried about I'm not

732
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: worried about somebody sending me my dove. How I'm worried

733
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: about my fucking like ex boyfriend hitting me up or something.

734
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: You know, Like, yeah, I feel that way too. I

735
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: feel protected, which makes me a little cocky. And I

736
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: also feel so convinced that good always overpowers evil. And

737
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: I feel just like with the living, like if people

738
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: are rude to me or like trying to tear me

739
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: down or whatever, I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to

740
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: let them win. I mean, even if they don't realize

741
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: that they didn't win because they didn't affect me or whatever.

742
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: And so that's why when you see like these clips

743
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: of me with ghosts, I'm like, you know, some people

744
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: will be like the ghost is gonna possess you or whatever,

745
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bitch.

746
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: Not me. Yeah that's how I feel.

747
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna let it. Something invisible is not

748
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: more powerful than the good energy that I have around me,

749
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: that like this negative thing is going to just like

750
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be able to get through absolutely.

751
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: The other thing I feel, too, is like one of

752
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: the things that I always say is that my Grandma

753
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: blessed me with her elder Latina magic. But I feel

754
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: I also believe in like the ancient queer magic that

755
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: I hold in my own blood right, Like, I really

756
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: I believe that queerness comes out to heal a lot

757
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: of times, like a lineage or queerness to me is

758
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, an elevation of the mind and the spirit.

759
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: So I also feel like in terms of spirit world,

760
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I think that my queer magic also

761
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: would just protect me in a lot of ways, like uh.

762
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Huh, you know, get that gay bitch slap exactly.

763
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm also just kind of like imagine that

764
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: ghost coming into my room being like and I'm taking

765
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: it in the ass or giving giving somebody asks and

766
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: they're just like, not here, I'm gonna go. I'll go

767
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: next door. You put it where. No, I'm out of here.

768
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm not doing none of that.

769
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I do think, like I was just I had someone

770
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: over the other day and people are always like, is

771
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: this place haunted? Because like I'm always like dealing with

772
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: ghosts and I'm like, they're not coming in here, Like

773
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the this is like the

774
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: least welcoming place for some kind of bad energy. And

775
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: I do think that there's probably ghosts that try to

776
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: creep up and they're like, Okay, this bitch is whack,

777
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: Like we don't want to be around here. Yeah, that's

778
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: what I think we're gonna end up on our podcast.

779
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always think the spirit is gonna like one

780
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: of the spirits are gonna come in and be like

781
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: this fool is jacking off for the eighth time today.

782
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: He's not doing a damn thing. See.

783
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: Now that brings up like we've talked on this show

784
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: before about our you know, spiritual protectors and our ancestors

785
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: and all of that, and it's like do they clock

786
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: out in those time periods?

787
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: Huh?

788
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: Are they like Okay, I'm gonna protect you, but like

789
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna just like we're gonna take five, We're gonna

790
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave and let you do your little dirty

791
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: little things.

792
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you talked for talk to aj Berrera the medium? No?

793
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to have a J Berrera

794
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: on your show, like he is his gift is so

795
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: strong and so amazing. Maya and I've had like a

796
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 2: lot of interviews with him, We've done videos with him.

797
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: We always get like technological what do they call it,

798
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: Like technology malfunction? It malfunctions. Yeah, something will always happen.

799
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: A light will go out, the batteries will drain. Like

800
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: He's incredible. And I've actually asked him, like does spirit

801
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: hang with you when you're engaging sexually or like if

802
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: you're in the shower or you're pooping or whatever. And

803
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: He's like, no, spirit will like walk away and give

804
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: you like your privacy, like they'll give you a little

805
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: moment to yourself, so they're not with you when you're

806
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: like dropping a deuce, you know. But then again, like

807
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'm tapers where I'm like I'll sitting on

808
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: the toilet while you're in the shower, like I don't care.

809
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: So I feel like I would be that kind of ghost.

810
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: I will be there in the shower with you. I

811
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: will be there while you're dropping a deuce, and I

812
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 2: might sit on the bed while you're getting laid. I'll

813
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: be like cheering you on.

814
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: See. I was thinking about the kind of ghost I

815
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: would be when you were talking about the lights flickering

816
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: and all that, because I don't know how to control anything.

817
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't know electronics. I don't know how to do anything.

818
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: So I feel like if someone was like, make sure

819
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: you play with my electronics when you pass, like, I

820
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: feel like I'd be dead and I'd be like, oh

821
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: my god, I don't I no clue what to do.

822
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know how to do.

823
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Real You're like, I don't know how to use this

824
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: light switch? What is this thing? Like? Where's this remote control?

825
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: How do I turn this on?

826
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like I could turn it on or off or

827
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: I could smash it, but like I don't know how

828
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: to like make it flicker, Like yeah, yoh, what I

829
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: would have to do?

830
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: I feel like with me, I would probably communicate with

831
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: music and song Like I feel like I would make

832
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: things like I would play a song that you would go,

833
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: oh shit, I remember that he used to sing that, or.

834
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: A DJ, A ghost DJ, A ghost DJ exactly.

835
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that'd be my vibe. Like I'd be

836
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: like playing music or you hear you start singing a

837
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: song randomly and I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's me

838
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: for sure.

839
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Well, Curly, this is not at all where I thought

840
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: this podcast was going to go. I'm very happy about it, though,

841
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: because I did prepare a bunch of stuff for us

842
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: to do, but we don't necessarily have time for all that.

843
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: I think we should just jump on over to listening

844
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: to some ghost voices.

845
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

846
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or e EV please. So

847
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: you've been on this podcast three times, you've done this before.

848
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: But for anyone that's new here, what I do is

849
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: I go to YouTube or sometimes TikTok wherever, and I

850
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: find people's alleged recordings of ghosts speaking, and I will

851
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: play two of them, and I want you, Curly, to

852
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: tell me what you hear, and then I'll give you

853
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: some options. One of the options is the right answer

854
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: that the ghost hunter believes they've captured.

855
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm terrible at these. By the way, I barely

856
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: understand Ariana Grande where she sings, let alone a ghosts. Well.

857
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: Usually these are terrible too, So okay, I try to

858
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: get the best ones I can find. This first one

859
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: is from Florida Ghost Patrol, which is a great name.

860
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed Florida Ghost Patrol and it's at some cemetery,

861
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: an old eighteen hundred cemetery. Okay, what is this ghost saying?

862
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: Do it again? He said? He said, I'm dropping their

863
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: little deuce.

864
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it could be or.

865
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm something something, dude.

866
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely a yeah for sure. Well that's not

867
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: what the Florida Ghost Patrol thought it said. Was it

868
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: A pink tie would be cute on you? Uh? Huh

869
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: b I've been talking to you. See I think I'm

870
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: into you or d I think I need to pooh?

871
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: Literally what I said, I mean, that's very close to

872
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: what you said.

873
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: Can I hear it again?

874
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: Of course.

875
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: I want to say. It's probably I've been talking to you.

876
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: That is what they believe it said. And I yeah, here,

877
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: let me plead it again. Okay, yeah, I've been talking

878
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: to you.

879
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, I need you to speak clearly, sir,

880
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: because I'm having a little trouble.

881
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, maybe they were talking to you while

882
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: they were pooping. I don't know. Here's another one. This

883
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: one is from TikTok and it was posted by Spirit

884
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: Sessions Official, and it's at a place called Asylum forty

885
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: nine in two Utah, what is it saying, Curly? By last,

886
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: This one's rough. Okay, let's try it again.

887
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's Can you do that one more time?

888
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, that sounded like nothing except for like

889
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: somebody moving their shower curtain aside in the shower.

890
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Well, did they think it was a wait, come on,

891
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: come back, b welcome to my nightmare? See bring them

892
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: to me? Or d work girl, get that cash?

893
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Can we try one more time? Oh? It does sound

894
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: like bring them to me a little bit, but I

895
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: also just I don't know. I'm also very big on

896
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: being like, I'm going to stand by what I heard.

897
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: And I heard a shower curtain being moved, so.

898
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: They do believe it was bring them to me? Like,

899
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: let me bring this again. Yeah, I hear it while

900
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: a shower curtain is being pulled back.

901
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like bring to me.

902
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: Well, Curly, you really gave us the goods.

903
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: Thanks, Babs. I appreciate you so much for having me

904
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: And this is stuff that I love talking about and

905
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: I can go on forever and never never, like it's

906
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: just for me, whether it's spirit or ghost. What's really

907
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: nice is the understanding that maybe it doesn't end when

908
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: we think it ends, and I think that's the best part.

909
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: I think that's why it's not so scary, because you're like, oh, cool,

910
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Like maybe there is something waiting for us on the

911
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: other side. And if it's not somewhere in the clouds

912
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: at the heart, maybe it's in someone's shower where I'm

913
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: just gonna like swing the curtains back and forth and

914
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: be like bring them to me.

915
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: You're doing. What is this PBS show you're doing? It's

916
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: about death.

917
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the PBS show. We finished shooting it. It

918
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: was one season last year. It's called Dead and Buried.

919
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: Definitely check it out on uh pbs dot com and

920
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: on their social media platforms. Basically, we explore different aspects

921
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: of death, like creating AI for dead loved one or

922
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: what kind of burials people prefer, or even like small

923
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: little rituals that we do, like the rip T shirts

924
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: that people wear when somebody passes away, different things like that,

925
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Like we explore different aspects of what death means, hospice care, deathdoulas,

926
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: different things that people would find very interesting because I

927
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: think as afraid of we are, as death, it's inevitable,

928
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: and I think it's important to not be afraid of

929
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: it totally.

930
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: You know. I always talk about having these conversations about

931
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: the spiritual world makes me not afraid to die, absolutely,

932
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: because it makes me feel like it's just not it's

933
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: not over, there's more, there is something.

934
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Do you ever think what you would say? I

935
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: always have this because I've died so many times in

936
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: my dream Do you ever think what you would say

937
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: as you were going, like, what would be like your

938
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: last thoughts or your last thing that you would say

939
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: in your head? Yes, what would you say?

940
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: I would say. I never told anyone this, But the

941
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: truth is I that's so funny.

942
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: I was just thinking the other day that I want

943
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: somebody to like cause the scene at my funeral and

944
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: be like, I'm sorry I should have told you about

945
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: our child, and then just like walk off the stage,

946
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: like walk off the yeah, like it's me.

947
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hire like full on improv actors.

948
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: She's gonna do that exactly, like but not saying anything.

949
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Just get off the stage, leave, get in the car

950
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: and go.

951
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: Wait a second, this is wild, curly. Something just happened

952
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: to me.

953
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: What happened?

954
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: I never dream I just remembered that I had a

955
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: dream last night.

956
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: I told you. I told you, I.

957
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: Just remembered, and it had to do with an existing

958
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: TV show that's already on TV and me joining it

959
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: and collaborating with it.

960
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: Put it down in the universe.

961
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: Is it a prediction?

962
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: It might be.

963
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: I would feel better if it was you that had

964
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: the dream than me.

965
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: But why don't you text me the name of the

966
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: show and then we can see I'll do like some

967
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: I'll try to dive in a little later today and

968
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: see God or we might actually know someone.

969
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't believe that. Like I seriously

970
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: never dream and I just like I just like remembered,

971
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: like I fully had like a long dream, and now

972
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm remembering all of these things that happened to me.

973
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: Write it down.

974
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't just like a blip. It was like a

975
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: full on story.

976
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: Write it down. Write it down tonight, or when we

977
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: hang up, write it down and think about it, reflects

978
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: on it. Light a candle, light a white candle, Write

979
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: the name of the show on a piece of paper,

980
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: put it under the white candle. I would leave it

981
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: there for like over ten days. I like to go over.

982
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: People say ten days, but I like to go a

983
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: little bit over and see what happened to leave the paper?

984
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: Okay for you?

985
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: No, I love all that stuff. I'm into it. Yeah,

986
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I studied a decent amount of that.

987
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: And it's interesting growing up Catholic. How like there's so

988
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: much overlap?

989
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely so much. It's all magic. People

990
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: just call God different names. People just call like, what's

991
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: a prayer if not a spell?

992
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh totally?

993
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: What are the witches in the craft man? Send me

994
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And then what are we saying, like, Lord,

995
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: send me, you know, send me more funds? Like it's

996
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: all just different names, and we're just all trying to

997
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: be like co creators and tapping into the universe and

998
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: asking it to help us in places that we don't understand.

999
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: So well, I feel like I understand you better now,

1000
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that you've joined me once again.

1001
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: I love you so much, I really do. Thank you

1002
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: for having me.

1003
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: Bye bye, Thank you, Curly, go check out everything Curly does. Hey,

1004
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: and thank you for listening. I love you all, both

1005
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to

1006
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: haunt me, don't haunt me. Kay bye, this has been

1007
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: an exactly right production. Want to share your paranormal experience

1008
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I read stories out loud and sometimes

1009
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: I'll even call you, so email me at ghosted by

1010
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: Roz at gmail dot com. You can send a DM

1011
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: or voice message to the show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz.

1012
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: Give us a follow while you're there, and follow me

1013
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,160
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1014
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez. My senior producer is the

1015
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.

1016
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie

1017
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kottner.

1018
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton.

1019
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.

1020
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgaiff, the

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Speaker 1: Spooky Georgia hart Start, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.