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Speaker 1: Very interesting. Apparently some people are concerned that Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: People are suggesting what about back surgery, and Sean McVay

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Speaker 1: said today that has not been a conversation that we've had.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of conversations about what's the best

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Speaker 1: method to approach it with That hasn't been something that's

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Speaker 1: come up, but just the idea that there are conversations

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Speaker 1: of Matt Stafford and a back surgery. So I have

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Speaker 1: the Rams is like the second best team in the NFC. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're not top eight without Matt Stafford. Like that's that's

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Speaker 1: a game changer. So maybe I'll get Old Brock Purty

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Speaker 1: wedge him in as a deep wild card seed of

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. We'll see jmack with a news.

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Speaker 3: This is the Herdline news, all right, Colin, I think

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Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill is going to be a hot name to

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Speaker 3: watch all season due to his trade situation. So he's

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Speaker 3: been sidelined due to an oblique injury, but he continues

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Speaker 3: to be in the news during these press conferences, saying

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Speaker 3: wacky stuff. Said his relationship with Tua as a work

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Speaker 3: in progress.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're like three years in now.

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Speaker 3: According to reports, other NFL teams are monitoring the trade

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Speaker 3: market for Tyreek Hill. The Chargers and Commanders lead the

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Speaker 3: way at plus five point fifty. He would be a

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Speaker 3: flat out game changer for the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, stretching the field.

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Speaker 1: Mconkee underneath will remember they just lost their left tackle.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is at his best deep down the field.

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Speaker 1: Joe Waltz protecting you. You're weak at the right tackle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's never been Hardbaugh's never been a lead,

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of money on a wide receiver. The

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Speaker 1: culture right now with the Chargers is excellent. Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: can disrupt that. None of these I mean the Raiders

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Speaker 1: is interesting to me because well, I mean, they've got

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Speaker 1: use an over the Ti in that division with Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton Reed Herbert, I could argue the Raiders could use

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Speaker 3: You think Vegas is a good city for Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, Guys who are immature, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: Carroll can can reel him in. It's interesting. The other

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Speaker 2: They have debo, they have a quarterback on a rookie deal.

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Speaker 1: Terry mclaurin's the opposite of Tyreek one hundred percent polar opposites.

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Speaker 3: But Tyreek Hill with that offense with Jayden Daniels, Hey, listen,

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Speaker 3: that's kind of sort of spicy. Anyways, I'm on the

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Speaker 3: prediction train that that Tyreek Hill will be traded sometime

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Speaker 3: during the season, whatever the trade deadline is. I just

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Speaker 3: don't see him lasting, Like, why would you. Everything that's

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Speaker 3: basically the last year, right.

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Speaker 1: I think at some point you just have to accept

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Speaker 1: you're twenty three and immature. You know, people grow obviously,

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's move on to Travis Hunter, the electrifying

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Speaker 3: a rookie ye out of Colorado. He had his preseason

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Speaker 2: Is this him wrapping up in space?

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Speaker 3: Now? He whifted on the tackle there. Here's what he

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Speaker 3: Alphil idea.

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Speaker 5: If you have more LA two of these, we would

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Speaker 1: the current NFL field goal record? That's a great question

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Speaker 1: somebody will beat that. I don't know what happened two

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Speaker 3: I wonder if specialization in the kicker position caught on,

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Speaker 3: The final story calls college football the first a people

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Speaker 2: Take a look.

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Speaker 3: Who's number one the Texas Longhorns with arch manning Penn State,

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Speaker 2: You love you some Tigers this year for Georgia five,

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Speaker 3: Interesting note here, of the last twenty one teams to

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Speaker 1: I believe. I believe you have to be in the last.

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Speaker 1: Ten of the last eleven national champions have been in

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Speaker 1: Ten of the last eleven Natties have come from So

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Speaker 1: that would be Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: I'm not seeing your USC, am. I missing them. USC

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I here's what I would say.

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Speaker 1: If you're USC, so will be four years in now,

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Speaker 1: had this discussion. I saw Mark Carrier yesterday. He's a

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Speaker 1: asked him about Lincoln Riley, and we know he's a

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Speaker 1: Bob Stoop's culture. The culture was built. We know he

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Speaker 1: go backwards. So we know he can coach, but there

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Speaker 1: Can Mike McDaniel in Miami build a culture? And so

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Speaker 1: USC has gout is spending big money in the nil

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Speaker 3: So but the optics colin of USC not being top

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Speaker 1: For the Trojans. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 1: Here. It is. Every national champ in the college football

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Speaker 1: Playoff era has begun the season ranked inside the preseason

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Speaker 1: the season, I think Texas plays Penn State in the

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Speaker 1: national Championship. Lincoln's former team, Oklahoma is in the top

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Speaker 1: Chris Sims eight years in the NFL from a long

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Speaker 5: But I think the bigger thing is not about him, Colin,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So everybody except Tom Brady played this weekend. I

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Speaker 5: You don't get to play, you don't get to hit,

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Speaker 4: It doesn't get any more simple than that. Oh, five

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Speaker 5: I'm underneath the center. We got nine million formations. We

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Speaker 1: You know, I said this during the Nick Saban run,

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Speaker 5: The things you bring up, I think are legitimate questions.

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Speaker 5: You're right there. You'd like him to have had some

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Speaker 4: And when he did get drop.

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Speaker 5: What you're seeing him do right gear, And I think

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Speaker 5: They're going to be better running the football this year,

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Speaker 4: You've played pick up in bad basketball.

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Speaker 5: You go two or three games or you don't get shot,

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Speaker 4: But he had to deal with that and some tough

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a former Texas Longhorn and I'm just

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Speaker 5: You talk about the other stuff. He I mean leader,

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Speaker 4: Matter who it is.

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Speaker 5: Right, He's humble, he handles himself the right way. He's

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Speaker 4: The other day. I'd be shocked if he leaves.

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Speaker 5: They believe in get those reps you talked about, Get

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Speaker 4: And of course you.

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Speaker 5: Know he's got two older uncles that thrive in that environment.

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Speaker 1: As we know, Chris Simms, as always, it is great, sane,

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Speaker 5: Hey, you're the man always stood seeing you, buddy. Be good,

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Speaker 1: Say hi to your dad. Chris Simms, of course, the

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Speaker 1: media stuff. I what is the line again? J mack

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Speaker 2: I believe it was bumped up to three.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm taking the points.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Ohio State for sure. I hate to Sayado State.

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Speaker 2: What is this? Two weeks and we got about nineteen

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Speaker 2: By the way, the whole weekend, it's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Such a banger for football. College football starts good. Then

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Speaker 3: I have some people asking me do you play fantasy football?

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Speaker 2: Would you play in a league if invited by yours?

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Speaker 1: For no? I gamble so DraftKings has Ohio State minus

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Speaker 1: But the difference between a gambler and a fantasy football player.

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Speaker 1: You go to dinner, fantasy football guys argue over the check.

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Speaker 1: Gamblers pick it up.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: But I like that. All right, wrap it up. It's

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Speaker 1: the hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: For the record, Bill Belichick at Home is a three

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Speaker 1: point underdog in his first foray into college football coaching.

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Speaker 1: They've got I don't. The question is geo Lopez is

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Speaker 1: kind of a smaller athletic quarterback that runs around. He

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Speaker 1: was six wins, six losses, something like that at South Alabama.

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Speaker 2: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: I've seen YouTube. I really have no idea. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Belichick's a defensive guy, so you kind of get what

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Speaker 1: you get. Athletic guy runs around. We'll see. I don't

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Speaker 1: know it. They added a top ten transfer class with

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Speaker 1: over forty incoming players, so that's a lot of mentoring

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Speaker 1: and teaching. Each of the last three recruiting classes with

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Speaker 1: Mac Brown as he aged, were not great. So they

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Speaker 1: don't have that tells me that don't have a ton

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Speaker 1: of talent. Mac was an elite recruiter early and in

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Speaker 1: the prime of his career, not as much late. So

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Speaker 1: they went out and got Belichick probably perused all of

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Speaker 1: his talent and said, we just need more guys Carolina boosters.

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Speaker 1: That school's got a lot of money, especially for basketball,

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Speaker 1: stepped up and so it's just it's in your You

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Speaker 1: got a guy that was six and six at South Alabama,

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Speaker 1: not I've had eighteen touchdowns, five picks, pretty accurate, six

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Speaker 1: feet two hundred pounds, little undersized guy that runs around.

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Speaker 1: Gill Lopez will see. But they're gonna have a new quarterback,

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Speaker 1: a new head coach, new coordinators, sixteen new starters, so

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Speaker 1: thank god, outside of Clemson, they'll never be I would

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Speaker 1: imagine much more than a three point underdog. It's almost

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Speaker 1: like remember when Dion got to Colorado and I think

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Speaker 1: they were an underdog the TCU, and then they clabbered

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Speaker 1: him or something, didn't they and they colabored it because

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Speaker 1: DCU was an established program and had a bunch of

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Speaker 1: really good players the year before, and they all had

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Speaker 1: a pretty big, if I recall, like a draft class.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see the story of the day today. I

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Speaker 1: think one of them is a shadeur Sanders. Chris sim

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Speaker 1: said it. I thought he looked the part. I think

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Speaker 1: everything I thought about him coming into the NFL moves

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Speaker 1: well enough, good size, plays comfortably, very accurate. That's what

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Speaker 1: we saw again. You better be he doesn't have great traits,

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Speaker 1: so speeding tickets, worry about local radio guys, legendary draft

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Speaker 1: day room butchered his interview with the New York Giants,

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Speaker 1: which I've had revalidated over the weekend. That's bad stuff.

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Speaker 1: So he the less dynamic. Your traits are the more dynamic.

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Speaker 1: You have to be pre snap and in the film room.

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Speaker 1: So we don't know about that. But here's Matt Hasselback

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Speaker 1: earlier on his performance.

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Speaker 7: Will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks?

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Speaker 7: And courage is the word I'm using because it's like

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Speaker 7: no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 7: This is a team that has gone without a quarterback

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Speaker 7: for so long that they might just say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 7: it's that important of a position. We like what we

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Speaker 7: have here, the traits that he's showing, Let's hold on

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Speaker 7: to him and develop him on the field. He doesn't

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Speaker 7: give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at

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Speaker 7: all off the field, and what he's like in the

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Speaker 7: locker room. That's the part that I just don't know.

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Speaker 7: There are some red flags.

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Speaker 1: We'll see who's Cleveland play next. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I you know, I I do think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that I wonder if Shaud Shadeur's brother. According to

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Speaker 1: j Max Shadour's brother, that tape of him talking to

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Speaker 1: Tony Grossi, Chaduur's brother, this was a plan. Hey let's

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and confront him, and it goes down

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Speaker 1: to again. Well, why in the world are you worried

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Speaker 1: about that? Give me a break. Oh, Browns are at

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Phillies planned none of their starters, Lennon Dickerson

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Speaker 1: got hurt the old lineman, so Philly's not gonna play,

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Speaker 1: and the Browns then face the Rams. Stafford will not play,

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Speaker 1: so and then it's the regular season. Did you I

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Speaker 1: I watched a lot of the I sat yesterday in

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Speaker 1: the day before and watched a ton not Saturday. I

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Speaker 1: was busy Saturday. They live to in Chicago. Friday night.

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Speaker 1: I watched football yesterday all day long. I sat and

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Speaker 1: watched the NFL. Tyson beagent for the Chicago Bears. You

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Speaker 1: shake your head, that is when I watch him. That

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Speaker 1: is a potentially top five backup in the league. He's

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Speaker 1: a backup. Whoa, you don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Top five backup based.

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Speaker 1: So what based on eye test? No? I mean secret ball?

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Speaker 1: Well no, I mean I'm saying backup?

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Speaker 2: Who were?

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Speaker 1: The bar is not super high, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I watched Tyson bagent. He can run, got a sixteen

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Speaker 1: play drive, He's got a good arm.

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Speaker 3: He had some moxie last year when he flashed, but

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Speaker 3: it was mocked me. See again, let's not read too

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Speaker 3: much in a preseason with backups and no coaches want

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Speaker 3: to reveal anything that they're going to actually put. They

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Speaker 3: don't want to put anything on tape that they're going

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Speaker 3: to be using all season. A lot of vanilla stuff here.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's pump the brakes on on on Beijing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Beijing, Tyson Beijen. So let's ask this, what

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Speaker 1: about Jackson Dart. He looked pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's interesting you hyped him up.

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Speaker 3: New York Giants fans are doing cartwheels over Abdull Carter.

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Speaker 3: Oh he really played and he was dominant. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: now get.

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Speaker 2: To block him and.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, Abdull Carter looked really good. But the

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Speaker 1: defensive line is the strength of the team. So he'll

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Speaker 1: just add to Dexter Lawrence and Kevon Thibodeau. They that

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Speaker 1: will be the strength of that. That's why I've said

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Speaker 1: the Giants, the Giants are not hopeless. Remember a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago, you're watching Bryce Young as a rookie

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Speaker 1: in Carolina and you're like that that is a bad

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Speaker 1: football team. The Saints. Saints are gonna be bad. Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: gonna probably be bad. Cleveland will be interesting. If if

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Speaker 1: if shod Or Sanders plays Giants. If I if I

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Speaker 1: told you you know Lamar Jackson played today for the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants. They've got enough players that would be

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Speaker 1: a really, really exceptional I think they're just a quarterback away.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean any time, come on, there's.

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Speaker 1: A little well, but there's some teams that you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Carolina is a quarterback away.

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Speaker 3: I get to guarantee you Lamar could get them nine

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Speaker 3: ten wins this year by and self.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So PFF ranks the Giants defensive line third in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So I mean that means that means you're

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Speaker 1: gonna make opposing quarterbacks uncomfortable. That means you're gonna win

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Speaker 1: some field possession games.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Remember how the Steelers are winning like sixteen to ten

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Speaker 3: last year. That's what they're gonna do with Russ and Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Dart and I'll just say this about Dark. Even after

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Speaker 3: the draft, you could tell the Giants felt they got

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Speaker 3: their guy, and Jackson won over the media quickly. Brian

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Speaker 3: Dable kind of gushing about him after this game against

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Speaker 3: the Bills.

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Speaker 2: Colin. You remember that story.

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Speaker 3: Last week with Sean Payton, how he has this formula

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Speaker 3: for negative plays that he talked to seth wickershit about. Well,

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Speaker 3: I punched the formula in for Jackson Dart. He beat

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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams. Score Caleb Williams coming out of USC. Jackson

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Speaker 3: Dart does not do negative plays. He sits in the

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Speaker 3: pocket and processes and delivers. There's some upside here.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to be good enough

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Speaker 3: that the coaches keep their job and he does. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised if he were starting by

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Speaker 3: Halloween for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I used to have a theory before Ben Roethlisberger that

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks sounded like Carson Palmer. Sounds like an NFL starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart, Okay, that sounds like an NFL starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Shadoor Sanders. That's an NFL starting court justin fields. It

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Speaker 1: actually sat well, justin fields, sounding an outside linebackers catching

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Speaker 1: a little out in the flat. Like the other day,

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Speaker 1: we had Philip Rivers on his son is name Gunner Rivers.

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Speaker 1: I would draft him based on name. I wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: look at the tape. I'd be like Gunner Rivers, the

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Speaker 1: confidence you would have coming into any athletic event named

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Speaker 1: Gunner Rivers.

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Speaker 3: You know that My parents considered that for my middle name,

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Speaker 3: but they went with an Indian name instead.

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Speaker 1: That's what your teammates call you, Matt Hasselbeck. I think

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dark should play immediately. Here's Matt Hasselbeck.

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Speaker 7: I grew up in the era of you know, you

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Speaker 7: sit on the bench for a while. I mean Tom

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Speaker 7: Brady did that, Aaron Rodgers did that. I know that

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Speaker 7: was my experience as well. I think the New York

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Speaker 7: Giants have been burned and so they are really sticking

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Speaker 7: to the plan. They've invested heavily in veteran quarterbacks, in leadership,

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Speaker 7: in processed, driven guys who've been there, done it, made mistakes,

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Speaker 7: had success in Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson. So I

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Speaker 7: think they're going to be slow and measured and patient

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Speaker 7: with Jackson Dark, who they do like a lot. But

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Speaker 7: I do, but I don't think he's ready. And I

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Speaker 7: do think the best plan is to start a guy

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Speaker 7: like Russell Wilson and let Jackson watch.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch. We'll see it tomorrow. It's hurt