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Speaker 1: welcome home. This is our mini pod for this week.
Speaker 1: Uh Tip. Every week yields her time for listener questions,
Speaker 1: and we still end up getting a pile up because
Speaker 1: you guys take us in so many different directions. It
Speaker 1: really is like family talking true to form, Nick, you
Speaker 1: not our mute true toiform. We always end up down
Speaker 1: some other roads, so we don't always get to those questions.
Speaker 1: We're gonna use this mini pod to get to some
Speaker 1: of those questions today.
Speaker 2: Let's roll.
Speaker 3: The first one, hey, Native Pod people disappoint is to Tiffany.
Speaker 4: I think you're really unfair to Abby on the show.
Speaker 3: I watch the show every night, and you act as
Speaker 3: if Abby doesn't push back on these people saying this
Speaker 3: wild stuff is conservative. She does it every night. She
Speaker 3: jumps in their ass all the time. I think you're
Speaker 3: really unfair you take you know.
Speaker 4: I think you really need to give her.
Speaker 3: Some more respect on how she conducts herself and how
Speaker 3: she handles that show.
Speaker 4: She's one person with six people for the people talking
Speaker 4: over each other and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And she makes a point to point out when people
Speaker 3: are lying. In addition, I think you know you keep
Speaker 3: saying that the media doesn't do this, doesn't do that.
Speaker 4: That's false because the media.
Speaker 3: Has talked about the Fentanyls not coming through Venezuela's coming
Speaker 3: through Mexico. They point out The New York Times, CNN,
Speaker 3: other outlets have done this.
Speaker 4: I get your criticism and a lot of it.
Speaker 3: You're right because you know it's about the ratings and
Speaker 3: getting the arguments going. But I also think that your
Speaker 3: hyper your your criticism is a little off sometimes, and
Speaker 3: you should you should be really you should you really
Speaker 3: should chill out when it comes to talking about Abby
Speaker 3: because I think you're really off based on that one.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Thanks, you're mad about Abby.
Speaker 2: Absolutely love Abby, and I think that I think that
Speaker 2: she takes criticism and constructive criticism better than most people.
Speaker 2: She hears it all. But I also think, just to
Speaker 2: kind of answer answer buddy question, I think Tiffany got
Speaker 2: smoked for us all. I don't think it's an uneven smoke.
Speaker 2: I think she has soak for the co host on
Speaker 2: this show, me and Angela and Andrew. I think she
Speaker 2: has smoked for Abby when it's and I think that
Speaker 2: that is why you that Tiffany Cross posse that you
Speaker 2: got to come up with a name for them appreciate
Speaker 2: you because you're it's not disrespectful. I do want to
Speaker 2: chill on that, but I do think that your criticism
Speaker 2: comes from a place of trying to move journalism further
Speaker 2: in what you perceive that notion to be and a
Speaker 2: common good, And so I don't think it. I don't
Speaker 2: think and I can't speak for Abby either, but I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody believes it comes from a bad place.
Speaker 2: A lot of times people just be hating, and I
Speaker 2: don't ever think people say Tiffany Cross is a hater.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to start there. And you may
Speaker 2: have a totally different perspective. You may say, Tiffany that
Speaker 2: I am a hater. It should be my slot x
Speaker 2: I Z. I don't know what you're about to say,
Speaker 2: but that's just how I felt about it.
Speaker 1: No, thank you for jumping in, and I'll be brief.
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear that I don't recall
Speaker 1: saying something on this show, specifically that Abby relatives to
Speaker 1: everyone else is problematic. My criticisms have typically been about
Speaker 1: the networks at large, of which Abby is a representative.
Speaker 1: My criticism has also not been to her pushback on
Speaker 1: people who are on the platform. My criticism is having
Speaker 1: the people on the platform. I don't know when it
Speaker 1: became journalism to seed our platforms to white supremacists. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry because I know you sent us questions before,
Speaker 1: so I don't remember your name. But I think if
Speaker 1: your position is no, the media has for sure met
Speaker 1: this moment, and you feel like they are covering all
Speaker 1: the stories with the proper context, and you may be
Speaker 1: consuming things I don't. That is a place where we
Speaker 1: probably disagree. I could go through incite over the past
Speaker 1: twenty years where I think the media has failed us significantly,
Speaker 1: But I don't have to do that because I wrote
Speaker 1: a whole book about it. There are three hundred pages
Speaker 1: that you can read. If you are curious about specific
Speaker 1: examples of how the media fails, you can google the book.
Speaker 1: But it's say it louder. But I will continue to
Speaker 1: be a constant critic of the media, and I would
Speaker 1: dispute your perspective that I'm disrespectful to Abby. None of
Speaker 1: us are beyond reproach, even your criticisms of me, I
Speaker 1: welcome them and thank you for your feedback on how
Speaker 1: you perceive it. But again, I think if your position
Speaker 1: is the media has met this moment and that my
Speaker 1: criticisms are misplaced, I disagree and leave you to that opinion,
Speaker 1: but happy to take the next question. Hi Yah.
Speaker 5: So first I just want to say to if I
Speaker 5: love you in my head, my bff, I think that
Speaker 5: the conversation you guys are having regarding Pop the Balloon.
Speaker 2: It's just very hilarious. I absolutely agree.
Speaker 5: With u tivity. I think that it's not loving. It
Speaker 5: reminds me of Joning. And I used to always tell
Speaker 5: my family, who were the biggest Joners, about how Jonan
Speaker 5: I believe it came from slavery.
Speaker 4: You know how we believe everything.
Speaker 2: Comes from slavery.
Speaker 5: And the reason why I believe that is because I
Speaker 5: believe that they, you know, used to Joan in order
Speaker 5: to toughen us up so that way we could deal
Speaker 5: with the daily traumas that we were dealing with. So
Speaker 5: that's my spill on you know, why not the Jonah.
Speaker 5: I think the same thing applies to Pop the Balloon.
Speaker 5: I just don't think that it's a loving activity. I
Speaker 5: think there's way better ways for us to use our
Speaker 5: time and fight the programming. That's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 6: Guys, have a good one.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, Welcome home, and thank you for sending that in.
Speaker 1: And when Angela goes on the show, she's gonna use
Speaker 1: the opportunity to elevate a very important issue to our community.
Speaker 1: And I do I actually want to let you comment
Speaker 1: on this to Angela because we've talked about like black culture,
Speaker 1: and you know how we talk to each other, all
Speaker 1: of us, you know, Bacari, we talked about this as well,
Speaker 1: and I do think it is our culture. We were
Speaker 1: in Texas and we were pulling into a restaurant that
Speaker 1: kind of looked like a gas station and we were
Speaker 1: just talking about the way that we like basically jone
Speaker 1: on each other, jone on everything, and so when we
Speaker 1: were pulling in, we were like, this is whole gas
Speaker 1: station as a restaurant, Like we do this all the time. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it is part of our culture. I also
Speaker 1: think it's a part of our trauma. And I just
Speaker 1: don't always find it entertaining when we do it amongst
Speaker 1: ourselves and our good spirit. But I don't find insulting
Speaker 1: each other entertaining all the time, not when it's like
Speaker 1: harsh or from a negative place. But I'm sure y'all
Speaker 1: have thoughts on all of it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I had it was a mechanism for me
Speaker 2: to survive. I mean, I went to I went to
Speaker 2: high school when I was twelve. I had a big head,
Speaker 2: I was skinny, I didn't dress the right way because
Speaker 2: I was coming from private school. And boy, they gave
Speaker 2: me hell when I walked through those doors. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to tell people they mama was so fat.
Speaker 2: When they jumped in the sky, she got stuck, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, that.
Speaker 4: Was just.
Speaker 2: That was just that was I had to I had to.
Speaker 2: I had to cope, and and you know, it's it was.
Speaker 2: It was a way to But you also realized that
Speaker 2: the people who were really good at it, though, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: it was a whit, it was a skill, and a
Speaker 2: lot of those people either they were really bad it
Speaker 2: ended up in a different path, or some of them
Speaker 2: became you know, lawyers that we all know or politicians
Speaker 2: that we all know. Because I know, I know Andrew
Speaker 2: ken Jones is really dry. It is really it's really
Speaker 2: subtle it's subtle.
Speaker 1: You walk away.
Speaker 2: Damn I'm bleeding.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. Yeah, but you know, I it
Speaker 1: takes discipline because I definitely have that skill, like I
Speaker 1: have an acid tongue and I got something sharp ready
Speaker 1: to go all the time, and it takes discipline to
Speaker 1: be to take a breath, you know, to I mean,
Speaker 1: I think delayed gratification is a part of maturity. So
Speaker 1: I don't need every insult doesn't deserve my response. So
Speaker 1: sometimes I do, you know, like, you know, let me
Speaker 1: breathe and let you have that when I've been on
Speaker 1: many sets, many times where you know, I just have
Speaker 1: to say, I let the audience you know, perceive it
Speaker 1: the way they will because I'm not gonna engage in that.
Speaker 1: I don't always win that battle with myself. Sometimes I do,
Speaker 1: you know, match energy and let something fly out my
Speaker 1: mouth that I wish. I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: the best way to handle that, but I do. Just
Speaker 1: because you told that fat joke, I do want to say.
Speaker 1: I did see a few comments who were offended, and
Speaker 1: I would speak for myself and felt like when I
Speaker 1: was saying bacari, have you ever dated a woman who
Speaker 1: looked like she could cook, and people were offended by that,
Speaker 1: you know, they were like, what's up with the fat shaming?
Speaker 1: Like we don't really find that funny? And I didn't
Speaker 1: even perceive it that way. But it's not up to me.
Speaker 1: If somebody else took offense to something I said and
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying some people, if you offend it, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm meant to offend you. But on that I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize that I was making fun of people who
Speaker 1: are overweight. I don't consider myself skinny by any means,
Speaker 1: so I just want to acknowledge like I saw that.
Speaker 2: Can y'all too help me with something please? Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I don't see it either sometimes. But what this new culture?
Speaker 2: I think sometimes I have trouble navigating it and other
Speaker 2: people do too, because sometimes what comes out of my
Speaker 2: mouth is just what is in my head, and it
Speaker 2: ain't like a I'm not trying to condemn anybody from
Speaker 2: my heart, because there's enough about me to be condemned
Speaker 2: when I walk through the door. But like, when is
Speaker 2: it okay to laugh? I mean, or how do we
Speaker 2: judge the laugh? Or when do we say it's okay
Speaker 2: to laugh? Or like when can we be jovial or
Speaker 2: when can we say stuff in jest? Or is it
Speaker 2: that we can only do it in certain environments? Because respectfully,
Speaker 2: I just don't know the rules anymore, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm the only one who feels that way.
Speaker 1: I feel that way. Yeah, I think if it's at
Speaker 1: someone's offense or expense rather and they're offended by it,
Speaker 1: I do question sometimes so I am intentional if I
Speaker 1: said something and I'm meant it to be offensive, you know,
Speaker 1: if I cause somebody a white supremacist and they offended
Speaker 1: by it, like, well, tough, I meant it to be
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm navigating because something else. I'm gonna navigate this carefully.
Speaker 1: There is also a lot around gender that I'm navigating.
Speaker 1: My friends have kids who you know, are of a
Speaker 1: different generation, and if I say he and the person
Speaker 1: doesn't identify as he, like, I get pummeled by these
Speaker 1: twenty somethings you know, or like that is not blool,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like, give me a little grace
Speaker 1: because I'm learning it doesn't cost me anything to address
Speaker 1: you as how you want to be addressed. But give
Speaker 1: me a little grace. I'm trying to navigate this space.
Speaker 1: So I hear you, Bakari. I mean, I definitely think
Speaker 1: I'm misstep and I definitely think I've stepped in it
Speaker 1: and said things that are offensive to someone. My typical
Speaker 1: attitude is if I offended you, and it wasn't my
Speaker 1: intention to just apologize and try to course correct. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying. I think we're all trying
Speaker 1: to figure it out as we got.
Speaker 2: The worst mouth of us all, and I want to
Speaker 2: hear her response to that, how you navigate with you?
Speaker 1: I got the worst of what the bad mouth, he said,
Speaker 1: I have the worst mouth. I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: true always, but I don't know. I think you know
Speaker 1: what I think. I grew up I was very very
Speaker 1: close to my dad's dad, to Gramps, and I grew
Speaker 1: up playing Domino's with my dad and Gramps, and so
Speaker 1: I learned to be quick witted with them, you know,
Speaker 1: just in game plan. And then both of my grandfathers
Speaker 1: were like consummate jokers, and I really I didn't even
Speaker 1: like my mom's dad. I was like this dude, I
Speaker 1: don't like him. He always teased me about something. But
Speaker 1: I really don't think I developed thick skin until after
Speaker 1: the sixth grade. We had a whole podcast about it.
Speaker 1: So I won't relitigate that, but I will say it
Speaker 1: was a means of survival and it was a defense mechanism.
Speaker 1: But also it was funny like we, I mean, we
Speaker 1: used to we joked about is you know somebody sneakers?
Speaker 1: You know, you know what you got on today? Or
Speaker 1: did you get dressed in the dark, or like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it just I mean, that's what we do.
Speaker 1: Is it at somebody's expense? Sure? But also when is
Speaker 1: that acceptable? And I do think we spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time nowadays deepening into cancel culture in ways that
Speaker 1: are not healthy. Like you're constantly walking around on eggshells,
Speaker 1: to the point where you may have a thought you're
Speaker 1: afraid to express, and because you're afraid to express the thing,
Speaker 1: you don't get to grow, because you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like there's something about that where you know you're so
Speaker 1: filtered and so concerned about making sure you don't offend
Speaker 1: that you don't give yourself permission to grow. So I
Speaker 1: do like the idea when you said tip about giving grace,
Speaker 1: please give us grace, because I'm definitely confused about all
Speaker 1: of the aspects of gender that exist now not being
Speaker 1: you know, not being binary, and how you want to
Speaker 1: be referred to. It's the pronouns will be, he, she, they, them,
Speaker 1: and you're going to do all of them. And I'm
Speaker 1: you're supposed to expect So are you telling me all
Speaker 1: of them are okay? I'm supposed to know in which sentence,
Speaker 1: which one to use. That is very confusing. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it. I'll just call you your name. Hopefully you're fine
Speaker 1: with that today, and even that sometimes changes. So that
Speaker 1: is stressful and frustrating because I do want to get
Speaker 1: it right, but you know, what can we do? Got
Speaker 1: to keep.
Speaker 7: Trying, Pace pace Pace.
Speaker 8: Shout out to the Native Land Pod family, thank you
Speaker 8: for welcoming us all home. This is Jim from thirty
Speaker 8: three to content has been on fire recently and we're
Speaker 8: loving the content. How you take a kid the community,
Speaker 8: We really appreciate it. My question is for Tiffany made
Speaker 8: a various points on last week's excellent show about folks
Speaker 8: expanding their news diet and consuming different forms of media
Speaker 8: so you could get a wide array of perspectives on
Speaker 8: topics that you may be interested in, and I'm curious
Speaker 8: to you personally. Where do you go for your daily
Speaker 8: downloads of news, national news, where do you go for
Speaker 8: your downloads of international news? And what else might you
Speaker 8: be reading leisurely. That's something that folks might want to
Speaker 8: hear about.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the question. So I am still a
Speaker 1: Times reader. I talk a lot of shit about The Times,
Speaker 1: but I do read the Times. I think their political
Speaker 1: coverage is often garbage, but their global coverage is actually
Speaker 1: really good. When you read the business section, the technology section,
Speaker 1: it often spans the globe. I love it. There's also Reuters,
Speaker 1: they have great global news ap NPR. Al Jazeera has
Speaker 1: great coverage in terms of print media. In terms of
Speaker 1: what I watch BBC also Al Jazeera if you have
Speaker 1: the app on your smart TV. Al Jazeera does great coverage.
Speaker 1: Frontline does amazing coverage. I would. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: it concerns me so much when people are getting their
Speaker 1: news off social media. I just want to push back
Speaker 1: on that a little bit, because often it's something that's clipped,
Speaker 1: it's not the full context, it's and your own the
Speaker 1: algorithm is feeding you something and so very often people
Speaker 1: will see something for thirty seconds or spend you know,
Speaker 1: ten minutes reading something and think that they have a
Speaker 1: wide scope of understanding, and it just ain't it. I've
Speaker 1: heard people talk about things that are happening on a
Speaker 1: global scale that they would have more understanding and context,
Speaker 1: that they made a habit of consuming these things lately,
Speaker 1: and I've even done that. I have read something and
Speaker 1: tried to rush through it and said something that didn't
Speaker 1: make sense or that other people will tell me like
Speaker 1: you were way off base on that, or you you know,
Speaker 1: here's another perspective that you didn't have. So I would
Speaker 1: just encouraged having a very wide diet. Oh in the Atlantic,
Speaker 1: How can I forget the Atlantic? The Atlantic is definitely
Speaker 1: the Atlantic. The New Yorker and the Economists, those are
Speaker 1: great for think pieces, but also just really quickly. I
Speaker 1: am also on the email list for almost every think tank,
Speaker 1: so every time there's new data, new research that comes out,
Speaker 1: I get that as well. So sometimes it doesn't even
Speaker 1: make they get no coverage. He doesn't even make the press,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure to read it. Okay, I know you
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions so quick.
Speaker 2: The only the only misstatement I want to correct is
Speaker 2: that Philip Lewis on Twitter is a phenomenal follow. Yes,
Speaker 2: and he he gets real news from all over the place.
Speaker 2: But I hope my guy listens to and and and
Speaker 2: subscribe to his local newspaper. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 2: local journalism. I think the stories that we hear from journalism,
Speaker 2: from local journalists are are the best, not not. Your
Speaker 2: local news is okay, like the TV news, but I'm
Speaker 2: really talking about your print papers, because your print papers
Speaker 2: usually have seasoned reporters that can dive in depth on
Speaker 2: stories that move your community and your culture. Unfortunately, we're
Speaker 2: starting to see too much mainstream influence on our local
Speaker 2: news stations TV news stations, which drives me crazy. And
Speaker 2: the last thing is I mean, if you want to
Speaker 2: get the best news you possibly can, you should tune
Speaker 2: in the seeing it.
Speaker 1: They didn't pay for that, damn bad.
Speaker 2: I don't care if I pay you or not.
Speaker 1: This is not this is not your podcast, this is
Speaker 1: n LP. They gotta pay for that. They got a
Speaker 1: new digital platform with a new digital budget. I'll cut
Speaker 1: that in right out of here.
Speaker 5: Next question, Hi, my name is a real from the Bronx.
Speaker 6: This message is for Tiffany. Yoah, Tiffany, let me tell
Speaker 6: you something. I love your sister, but let me tell
Speaker 6: you something. Sometimes you cannot be like I think you
Speaker 6: are so sensitive.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 6: You cannot debate only people that you think is that
Speaker 6: your ever you understand, because sometimes the people that you
Speaker 6: think is not at your lever is the people that
Speaker 6: other people is listening to and getting their information from.
Speaker 6: So I would suggest that y'all looking to getting other
Speaker 6: people with different mind frame on your platform, because at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, those are the people that
Speaker 6: you have a lot of people out here listening to.
Speaker 6: So I would say, open the mind and open it
Speaker 6: to different you know people.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you Aurel for that question. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we got that question actually, because I think we all
Speaker 1: disagree on this, and I respectfully disagree with Orel. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what he means by on my level
Speaker 1: because I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever said I want to date
Speaker 1: someone or debate some on Freudian slip. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever said I wanted to I don't want to
Speaker 1: debate them on my level. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that means. But what I have said is I think
Speaker 1: the example I gave if we have a disagreement on
Speaker 1: school choice, you know, you may feel one way, I
Speaker 1: may feel another. Sure, if there is a desire for
Speaker 1: me to debate there, okay, great, let's have that. But
Speaker 1: if your position is rooted in my oppression or rooted
Speaker 1: in a lack of humanity, for me, I do not
Speaker 1: owe my time or my space to that person, not
Speaker 1: even in service to you or l respectfully, I don't
Speaker 1: think that is a valuable use of time. I would
Speaker 1: never dream to tell somebody else who they should debate
Speaker 1: and who they should have on their platform, or how
Speaker 1: they should use their time. I'm saying for me, I
Speaker 1: don't choose to do that. I don't choose to sit
Speaker 1: across from a white supremacist and debate my humanity. I
Speaker 1: think that is part of the erosion of our society
Speaker 1: that has led us to this space of giving the
Speaker 1: microphone to people who haven't earned it and considering hate
Speaker 1: speech of policy position. That's just not something I want
Speaker 1: to do. But I want to be really clear, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you mean by on my level, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure people have debated me and I wasn't quote
Speaker 1: unquote on their level. In this week's podcast, we had
Speaker 1: Ellie mistaal so you had Ellie, Angela and Bakari talking
Speaker 1: about things that quite frankly, I'm trying to follow, but
Speaker 1: some of it went over my head. If they said, well,
Speaker 1: you can't weigh in because it's not on your level,
Speaker 1: you know that. I don't think that's a healthy exchange either.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed listening and learning, so yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't look at like if you're not on my level
Speaker 1: that we can't debate. But I invite you, Rrella, if
Speaker 1: you feel that way that strongly, I invite you by
Speaker 1: all means debate people the white supremacists who are around their
Speaker 1: plentful and always looking for somebody to debate. But no, sir,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good use of my time.
Speaker 1: But I do thank you for the question. And I
Speaker 1: would also push back on this idea of me being sensitive.
Speaker 1: You don't know me or real I don't think I'm.
Speaker 2: You ain't sensitive you except when it comes to dogs.
Speaker 2: But let me plan a seed for a conversation that
Speaker 2: I want to have with both the all as we
Speaker 2: go forward because I think what Oriel was trying to say,
Speaker 2: and I think that you all get this more often
Speaker 2: than not, is that there is a perception that Angela
Speaker 2: Rai and Tiffany Cross can be intimidating because of how
Speaker 2: beautiful they are and how intellectual they are and the
Speaker 2: fact that they stand in it and know it. And so
Speaker 2: how do you navigate that or how do you deal
Speaker 2: with people who feel intimidated when they're in your presence,
Speaker 2: particularly as a black woman. Maybe that's another.
Speaker 1: Pot You don't get that from morel that didn't get
Speaker 1: that from a real I will say, I think it's
Speaker 1: amazing that we got three very different things from what
Speaker 1: Aroh was saying. I took from that the conversation around
Speaker 1: Joe Budden's podcast and the idea about intellectualism. The part
Speaker 1: that I think or maybe didn't hear is that you're
Speaker 1: intellectually curious. You don't consider yourself an intellectual. I believe
Speaker 1: he was saying he considers you an intellectual. And if
Speaker 1: you're an intellectual, and these other people who have opinions
Speaker 1: and are driving culture and driving conversation and have large
Speaker 1: platforms are not considered intellectual. But you won't have an
Speaker 1: exchange change with them. Where does that leave the culture?
Speaker 1: And I think that is a conversation we need to
Speaker 1: continue to have. Tiff has never said those conversations shouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: She said that's not her particular ministry. And we've you know,
Speaker 1: bifurcated whose ministry it is on the show. So, Arel,
Speaker 1: I hope you'll continue listening and continuing to challenge us.
Speaker 1: Keep sitting in your ideas, your questions, your thoughts. We
Speaker 1: love all of them. Make sure as they do it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna finish this one point. Is they gonna
Speaker 1: say on Joe Budden's podcast, not too much on Tiff though. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's all good. She's not sensitive. She can, of course,
Speaker 1: she can be the cheese standing alone, and she could
Speaker 1: definitely hold her own. But I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure we don't engage in apollo. So we appreciate the
Speaker 1: love and encouragement to Tiff, appreciate the challenge, and we
Speaker 1: appreciate the opportunity to give her the Florida respond go ahead, tip, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thank you. We should have let you respond first,
Speaker 1: because I did not get that from what he was
Speaker 1: saying at all. So my bad brother around all three
Speaker 1: of us definitely took something different. So to that point,
Speaker 1: now I understand better what you were saying. Of my
Speaker 1: apology for misunderstanding your point. So again I would push
Speaker 1: back on that. I have never said I would not
Speaker 1: debate someone on my level. The point I was making
Speaker 1: around the Joe Budden podcast, using them as an example,
Speaker 1: is if you are insulting me for my intellect, I'm
Speaker 1: saying I cannot fill a cup that's already full. So
Speaker 1: if I'm telling you something and you're not receptive, you're
Speaker 1: not interested in what I have to say, and you're
Speaker 1: being insulting, which I have had those type of exchanges
Speaker 1: with people, I'm saying that is not a conversation I
Speaker 1: choose to participate in. Again, I don't litigate what somebody
Speaker 1: else should participate in. I'm saying for me, if someone says, no,
Speaker 1: you should come on here and talk to us, my
Speaker 1: response is simply and respectfully, get somebody else to do it.
Speaker 1: That's not for me, but I'm happy to go into
Speaker 1: spaces that speak to the culture. I don't believe speaking
Speaker 1: to the culture. I think that's something that I would
Speaker 1: say white liberals do or black people who don't have
Speaker 1: a more what I would call an more authentic black
Speaker 1: ex experience. Tavis Smiley said that what did he say
Speaker 1: the biggest problems with Black America was crack cocaine and
Speaker 1: the IVY League. And I never really understood what he
Speaker 1: meant by that until I started working with a bunch
Speaker 1: of black people who went to an IVY League. And
Speaker 1: they think appealing to black people and the black culture
Speaker 1: is appealing to the lowest common denominator, the most ignorant
Speaker 1: among us. And I don't believe that. I think there's
Speaker 1: somebody who should go in those spaces and preach the
Speaker 1: gospel and help inform just like people help inform me
Speaker 1: every single day. There are many things I don't know.
Speaker 1: You could feel what I know in a thimble. There
Speaker 1: are so many things I don't know. But I definitely
Speaker 1: don't choose to to go in certain spaces that I
Speaker 1: feel are disrespectful. I mean I could, I could go on,
Speaker 1: but I won't put myself in an environment that I
Speaker 1: deem disrespectful to me personally, or disrespectful to women, or
Speaker 1: disrespectful to black people or the culture. Sorry, fund were
Speaker 1: you have three different takes, three completely different takes, but
Speaker 1: that's the importance of having, you know, diversity of voices
Speaker 1: and thought on your pod, So we appreciate you all
Speaker 1: for sharing your diversity of thoughts and opinions on our pod.
Speaker 1: We'll make sure that we urge you a roll to
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the shows We've talked about
Speaker 1: this ad nauseum, so we encourage you to go listen
Speaker 1: to some of those shows. Thank you all for tuning
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Speaker 1: let's name it accordingly. We will talk to you all soon.
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