1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio and partnership 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: with Resent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, all right, everyone, 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: welcome home. This is our mini pod for this week. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Uh Tip. Every week yields her time for listener questions, 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: and we still end up getting a pile up because 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: you guys take us in so many different directions. It 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: really is like family talking true to form, Nick, you 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: not our mute true toiform. We always end up down 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: some other roads, so we don't always get to those questions. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna use this mini pod to get to some 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: of those questions today. 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 3: The first one, hey, Native Pod people disappoint is to Tiffany. 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 4: I think you're really unfair to Abby on the show. 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: I watch the show every night, and you act as 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: if Abby doesn't push back on these people saying this 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: wild stuff is conservative. She does it every night. She 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: jumps in their ass all the time. I think you're 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: really unfair you take you know. 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: I think you really need to give her. 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Some more respect on how she conducts herself and how 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 3: she handles that show. 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 4: She's one person with six people for the people talking 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: over each other and all that stuff. 25 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: And she makes a point to point out when people 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: are lying. In addition, I think you know you keep 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: saying that the media doesn't do this, doesn't do that. 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: That's false because the media. 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: Has talked about the Fentanyls not coming through Venezuela's coming 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: through Mexico. They point out The New York Times, CNN, 31 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: other outlets have done this. 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: I get your criticism and a lot of it. 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: You're right because you know it's about the ratings and 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: getting the arguments going. But I also think that your 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: hyper your your criticism is a little off sometimes, and 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: you should you should be really you should you really 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: should chill out when it comes to talking about Abby 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: because I think you're really off based on that one. 39 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Anyway, Thanks, you're mad about Abby. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely love Abby, and I think that I think that 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: she takes criticism and constructive criticism better than most people. 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: She hears it all. But I also think, just to 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: kind of answer answer buddy question, I think Tiffany got 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: smoked for us all. I don't think it's an uneven smoke. 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: I think she has soak for the co host on 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: this show, me and Angela and Andrew. I think she 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: has smoked for Abby when it's and I think that 48 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: that is why you that Tiffany Cross posse that you 49 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: got to come up with a name for them appreciate 50 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: you because you're it's not disrespectful. I do want to 51 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: chill on that, but I do think that your criticism 52 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: comes from a place of trying to move journalism further 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: in what you perceive that notion to be and a 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: common good, And so I don't think it. I don't 55 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: think and I can't speak for Abby either, but I 56 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: don't think anybody believes it comes from a bad place. 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: A lot of times people just be hating, and I 58 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: don't ever think people say Tiffany Cross is a hater. 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: So I just wanted to start there. And you may 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: have a totally different perspective. You may say, Tiffany that 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: I am a hater. It should be my slot x 62 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: I Z. I don't know what you're about to say, 63 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: but that's just how I felt about it. 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: No, thank you for jumping in, and I'll be brief. 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: I just want to be clear that I don't recall 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: saying something on this show, specifically that Abby relatives to 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: everyone else is problematic. My criticisms have typically been about 68 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: the networks at large, of which Abby is a representative. 69 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: My criticism has also not been to her pushback on 70 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: people who are on the platform. My criticism is having 71 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: the people on the platform. I don't know when it 72 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: became journalism to seed our platforms to white supremacists. Furthermore, 73 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry because I know you sent us questions before, 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: so I don't remember your name. But I think if 75 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: your position is no, the media has for sure met 76 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: this moment, and you feel like they are covering all 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: the stories with the proper context, and you may be 78 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: consuming things I don't. That is a place where we 79 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: probably disagree. I could go through incite over the past 80 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: twenty years where I think the media has failed us significantly, 81 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: But I don't have to do that because I wrote 82 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: a whole book about it. There are three hundred pages 83 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: that you can read. If you are curious about specific 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: examples of how the media fails, you can google the book. 85 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: But it's say it louder. But I will continue to 86 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: be a constant critic of the media, and I would 87 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: dispute your perspective that I'm disrespectful to Abby. None of 88 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: us are beyond reproach, even your criticisms of me, I 89 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: welcome them and thank you for your feedback on how 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: you perceive it. But again, I think if your position 91 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: is the media has met this moment and that my 92 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: criticisms are misplaced, I disagree and leave you to that opinion, 93 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: but happy to take the next question. Hi Yah. 94 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: So first I just want to say to if I 95 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 5: love you in my head, my bff, I think that 96 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 5: the conversation you guys are having regarding Pop the Balloon. 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: It's just very hilarious. I absolutely agree. 98 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: With u tivity. I think that it's not loving. It 99 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 5: reminds me of Joning. And I used to always tell 100 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 5: my family, who were the biggest Joners, about how Jonan 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: I believe it came from slavery. 102 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 4: You know how we believe everything. 103 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: Comes from slavery. 104 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 5: And the reason why I believe that is because I 105 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 5: believe that they, you know, used to Joan in order 106 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 5: to toughen us up so that way we could deal 107 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 5: with the daily traumas that we were dealing with. So 108 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 5: that's my spill on you know, why not the Jonah. 109 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 5: I think the same thing applies to Pop the Balloon. 110 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 5: I just don't think that it's a loving activity. I 111 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 5: think there's way better ways for us to use our 112 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 5: time and fight the programming. That's all I wanted to say. 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 6: Guys, have a good one. 114 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: Welcome home, Welcome home, and thank you for sending that in. 115 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: And when Angela goes on the show, she's gonna use 116 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity to elevate a very important issue to our community. 117 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: And I do I actually want to let you comment 118 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: on this to Angela because we've talked about like black culture, 119 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: and you know how we talk to each other, all 120 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 1: of us, you know, Bacari, we talked about this as well, 121 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: and I do think it is our culture. We were 122 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: in Texas and we were pulling into a restaurant that 123 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of looked like a gas station and we were 124 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: just talking about the way that we like basically jone 125 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: on each other, jone on everything, and so when we 126 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: were pulling in, we were like, this is whole gas 127 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: station as a restaurant, Like we do this all the time. Yes, 128 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: I think it is part of our culture. I also 129 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: think it's a part of our trauma. And I just 130 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: don't always find it entertaining when we do it amongst 131 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: ourselves and our good spirit. But I don't find insulting 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: each other entertaining all the time, not when it's like 133 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: harsh or from a negative place. But I'm sure y'all 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: have thoughts on all of it too. 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I had it was a mechanism for me 136 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: to survive. I mean, I went to I went to 137 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: high school when I was twelve. I had a big head, 138 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: I was skinny, I didn't dress the right way because 139 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: I was coming from private school. And boy, they gave 140 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: me hell when I walked through those doors. And so yeah, 141 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: I used to tell people they mama was so fat. 142 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: When they jumped in the sky, she got stuck, right, 143 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that. 144 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 4: Was just. 145 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: That was just that was I had to I had to. 146 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: I had to cope, and and you know, it's it was. 147 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: It was a way to But you also realized that 148 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: the people who were really good at it, though, Tiffany, 149 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: it was a whit, it was a skill, and a 150 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: lot of those people either they were really bad it 151 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: ended up in a different path, or some of them 152 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: became you know, lawyers that we all know or politicians 153 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: that we all know. Because I know, I know Andrew 154 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: ken Jones is really dry. It is really it's really 155 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: subtle it's subtle. 156 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: You walk away. 157 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: Damn I'm bleeding. 158 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: I didn't even know. Yeah, but you know, I it 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: takes discipline because I definitely have that skill, like I 160 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: have an acid tongue and I got something sharp ready 161 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: to go all the time, and it takes discipline to 162 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: be to take a breath, you know, to I mean, 163 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: I think delayed gratification is a part of maturity. So 164 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't need every insult doesn't deserve my response. So 165 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: sometimes I do, you know, like, you know, let me 166 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: breathe and let you have that when I've been on 167 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: many sets, many times where you know, I just have 168 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: to say, I let the audience you know, perceive it 169 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: the way they will because I'm not gonna engage in that. 170 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't always win that battle with myself. Sometimes I do, 171 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, match energy and let something fly out my 172 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: mouth that I wish. I don't know if that was 173 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: the best way to handle that, but I do. Just 174 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: because you told that fat joke, I do want to say. 175 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: I did see a few comments who were offended, and 176 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: I would speak for myself and felt like when I 177 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: was saying bacari, have you ever dated a woman who 178 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: looked like she could cook, and people were offended by that, 179 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, they were like, what's up with the fat shaming? 180 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: Like we don't really find that funny? And I didn't 181 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: even perceive it that way. But it's not up to me. 182 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: If somebody else took offense to something I said and 183 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying some people, if you offend it, I'm like, yeah, 184 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm meant to offend you. But on that I didn't 185 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: even realize that I was making fun of people who 186 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: are overweight. I don't consider myself skinny by any means, 187 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: so I just want to acknowledge like I saw that. 188 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: Can y'all too help me with something please? Yeah, because 189 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: I don't see it either sometimes. But what this new culture? 190 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: I think sometimes I have trouble navigating it and other 191 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: people do too, because sometimes what comes out of my 192 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: mouth is just what is in my head, and it 193 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: ain't like a I'm not trying to condemn anybody from 194 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: my heart, because there's enough about me to be condemned 195 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: when I walk through the door. But like, when is 196 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: it okay to laugh? I mean, or how do we 197 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: judge the laugh? Or when do we say it's okay 198 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: to laugh? Or like when can we be jovial or 199 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: when can we say stuff in jest? Or is it 200 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: that we can only do it in certain environments? Because respectfully, 201 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: I just don't know the rules anymore, and I don't 202 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: know if I'm the only one who feels that way. 203 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: I feel that way. Yeah, I think if it's at 204 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: someone's offense or expense rather and they're offended by it, 205 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: I do question sometimes so I am intentional if I 206 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: said something and I'm meant it to be offensive, you know, 207 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: if I cause somebody a white supremacist and they offended 208 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: by it, like, well, tough, I meant it to be 209 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: that way. 210 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 211 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm navigating because something else. I'm gonna navigate this carefully. 212 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: There is also a lot around gender that I'm navigating. 213 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: My friends have kids who you know, are of a 214 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: different generation, and if I say he and the person 215 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: doesn't identify as he, like, I get pummeled by these 216 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: twenty somethings you know, or like that is not blool, 217 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, And it's like, give me a little grace 218 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: because I'm learning it doesn't cost me anything to address 219 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: you as how you want to be addressed. But give 220 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: me a little grace. I'm trying to navigate this space. 221 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: So I hear you, Bakari. I mean, I definitely think 222 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm misstep and I definitely think I've stepped in it 223 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: and said things that are offensive to someone. My typical 224 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: attitude is if I offended you, and it wasn't my 225 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: intention to just apologize and try to course correct. So 226 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying. I think we're all trying 227 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: to figure it out as we got. 228 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: The worst mouth of us all, and I want to 229 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,599 Speaker 2: hear her response to that, how you navigate with you? 230 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: I got the worst of what the bad mouth, he said, 231 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I have the worst mouth. I don't know that that's 232 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: true always, but I don't know. I think you know 233 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: what I think. I grew up I was very very 234 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: close to my dad's dad, to Gramps, and I grew 235 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: up playing Domino's with my dad and Gramps, and so 236 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: I learned to be quick witted with them, you know, 237 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: just in game plan. And then both of my grandfathers 238 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: were like consummate jokers, and I really I didn't even 239 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: like my mom's dad. I was like this dude, I 240 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: don't like him. He always teased me about something. But 241 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: I really don't think I developed thick skin until after 242 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: the sixth grade. We had a whole podcast about it. 243 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: So I won't relitigate that, but I will say it 244 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: was a means of survival and it was a defense mechanism. 245 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: But also it was funny like we, I mean, we 246 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: used to we joked about is you know somebody sneakers? 247 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: You know, you know what you got on today? Or 248 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: did you get dressed in the dark, or like you know, 249 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: I mean it just I mean, that's what we do. 250 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: Is it at somebody's expense? Sure? But also when is 251 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: that acceptable? And I do think we spend a lot 252 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: of time nowadays deepening into cancel culture in ways that 253 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: are not healthy. Like you're constantly walking around on eggshells, 254 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: to the point where you may have a thought you're 255 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: afraid to express, and because you're afraid to express the thing, 256 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: you don't get to grow, because you know what I'm saying, 257 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: Like there's something about that where you know you're so 258 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: filtered and so concerned about making sure you don't offend 259 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: that you don't give yourself permission to grow. So I 260 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: do like the idea when you said tip about giving grace, 261 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: please give us grace, because I'm definitely confused about all 262 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: of the aspects of gender that exist now not being 263 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, not being binary, and how you want to 264 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: be referred to. It's the pronouns will be, he, she, they, them, 265 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: and you're going to do all of them. And I'm 266 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: you're supposed to expect So are you telling me all 267 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: of them are okay? I'm supposed to know in which sentence, 268 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: which one to use. That is very confusing. I'm not 269 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: doing it. I'll just call you your name. Hopefully you're fine 270 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: with that today, and even that sometimes changes. So that 271 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: is stressful and frustrating because I do want to get 272 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: it right, but you know, what can we do? Got 273 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: to keep. 274 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 7: Trying, Pace pace Pace. 275 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 8: Shout out to the Native Land Pod family, thank you 276 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 8: for welcoming us all home. This is Jim from thirty 277 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 8: three to content has been on fire recently and we're 278 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 8: loving the content. How you take a kid the community, 279 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 8: We really appreciate it. My question is for Tiffany made 280 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 8: a various points on last week's excellent show about folks 281 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 8: expanding their news diet and consuming different forms of media 282 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 8: so you could get a wide array of perspectives on 283 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 8: topics that you may be interested in, and I'm curious 284 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 8: to you personally. Where do you go for your daily 285 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 8: downloads of news, national news, where do you go for 286 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 8: your downloads of international news? And what else might you 287 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 8: be reading leisurely. That's something that folks might want to 288 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 8: hear about. 289 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: Thank you. 290 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 7: I love that. 291 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for the question. So I am still a 292 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: Times reader. I talk a lot of shit about The Times, 293 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: but I do read the Times. I think their political 294 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: coverage is often garbage, but their global coverage is actually 295 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: really good. When you read the business section, the technology section, 296 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: it often spans the globe. I love it. There's also Reuters, 297 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: they have great global news ap NPR. Al Jazeera has 298 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: great coverage in terms of print media. In terms of 299 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: what I watch BBC also Al Jazeera if you have 300 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: the app on your smart TV. Al Jazeera does great coverage. 301 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Frontline does amazing coverage. I would. I mean, I'm just 302 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: it concerns me so much when people are getting their 303 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: news off social media. I just want to push back 304 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: on that a little bit, because often it's something that's clipped, 305 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: it's not the full context, it's and your own the 306 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: algorithm is feeding you something and so very often people 307 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: will see something for thirty seconds or spend you know, 308 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: ten minutes reading something and think that they have a 309 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: wide scope of understanding, and it just ain't it. I've 310 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: heard people talk about things that are happening on a 311 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: global scale that they would have more understanding and context, 312 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: that they made a habit of consuming these things lately, 313 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: and I've even done that. I have read something and 314 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: tried to rush through it and said something that didn't 315 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: make sense or that other people will tell me like 316 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: you were way off base on that, or you you know, 317 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: here's another perspective that you didn't have. So I would 318 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: just encouraged having a very wide diet. Oh in the Atlantic, 319 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: How can I forget the Atlantic? The Atlantic is definitely 320 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. The New Yorker and the Economists, those are 321 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: great for think pieces, but also just really quickly. I 322 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: am also on the email list for almost every think tank, 323 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: so every time there's new data, new research that comes out, 324 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: I get that as well. So sometimes it doesn't even 325 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: make they get no coverage. He doesn't even make the press, 326 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: but I'm sure to read it. Okay, I know you 327 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: got a lot of questions so quick. 328 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: The only the only misstatement I want to correct is 329 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: that Philip Lewis on Twitter is a phenomenal follow. Yes, 330 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: and he he gets real news from all over the place. 331 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: But I hope my guy listens to and and and 332 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: subscribe to his local newspaper. I'm a big fan of 333 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,119 Speaker 2: local journalism. I think the stories that we hear from journalism, 334 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: from local journalists are are the best, not not. Your 335 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: local news is okay, like the TV news, but I'm 336 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: really talking about your print papers, because your print papers 337 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: usually have seasoned reporters that can dive in depth on 338 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: stories that move your community and your culture. Unfortunately, we're 339 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: starting to see too much mainstream influence on our local 340 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: news stations TV news stations, which drives me crazy. And 341 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: the last thing is I mean, if you want to 342 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: get the best news you possibly can, you should tune 343 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: in the seeing it. 344 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: They didn't pay for that, damn bad. 345 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: I don't care if I pay you or not. 346 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: This is not this is not your podcast, this is 347 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: n LP. They gotta pay for that. They got a 348 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: new digital platform with a new digital budget. I'll cut 349 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: that in right out of here. 350 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 5: Next question, Hi, my name is a real from the Bronx. 351 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 6: This message is for Tiffany. Yoah, Tiffany, let me tell 352 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 6: you something. I love your sister, but let me tell 353 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 6: you something. Sometimes you cannot be like I think you 354 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 6: are so sensitive. 355 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. 356 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 6: You cannot debate only people that you think is that 357 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 6: your ever you understand, because sometimes the people that you 358 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 6: think is not at your lever is the people that 359 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 6: other people is listening to and getting their information from. 360 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 6: So I would suggest that y'all looking to getting other 361 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 6: people with different mind frame on your platform, because at 362 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 6: the end of the day, those are the people that 363 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 6: you have a lot of people out here listening to. 364 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 6: So I would say, open the mind and open it 365 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 6: to different you know people. 366 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you Aurel for that question. I'm glad 367 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: we got that question actually, because I think we all 368 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: disagree on this, and I respectfully disagree with Orel. So 369 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what he means by on my level 370 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: because I don't. 371 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: I don't. 372 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever said I want to date 373 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: someone or debate some on Freudian slip. I don't think 374 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: I've ever said I wanted to I don't want to 375 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: debate them on my level. I don't even know what 376 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: that means. But what I have said is I think 377 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: the example I gave if we have a disagreement on 378 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: school choice, you know, you may feel one way, I 379 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: may feel another. Sure, if there is a desire for 380 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: me to debate there, okay, great, let's have that. But 381 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: if your position is rooted in my oppression or rooted 382 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: in a lack of humanity, for me, I do not 383 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: owe my time or my space to that person, not 384 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: even in service to you or l respectfully, I don't 385 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: think that is a valuable use of time. I would 386 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: never dream to tell somebody else who they should debate 387 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: and who they should have on their platform, or how 388 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: they should use their time. I'm saying for me, I 389 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: don't choose to do that. I don't choose to sit 390 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: across from a white supremacist and debate my humanity. I 391 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: think that is part of the erosion of our society 392 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: that has led us to this space of giving the 393 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: microphone to people who haven't earned it and considering hate 394 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: speech of policy position. That's just not something I want 395 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: to do. But I want to be really clear, I 396 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: don't know what you mean by on my level, because 397 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure people have debated me and I wasn't quote 398 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: unquote on their level. In this week's podcast, we had 399 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: Ellie mistaal so you had Ellie, Angela and Bakari talking 400 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: about things that quite frankly, I'm trying to follow, but 401 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: some of it went over my head. If they said, well, 402 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: you can't weigh in because it's not on your level, 403 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: you know that. I don't think that's a healthy exchange either. 404 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: I enjoyed listening and learning, so yeah, I don't. I 405 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: don't look at like if you're not on my level 406 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: that we can't debate. But I invite you, Rrella, if 407 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: you feel that way that strongly, I invite you by 408 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: all means debate people the white supremacists who are around their 409 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: plentful and always looking for somebody to debate. But no, sir, 410 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good use of my time. 411 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: But I do thank you for the question. And I 412 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: would also push back on this idea of me being sensitive. 413 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: You don't know me or real I don't think I'm. 414 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: You ain't sensitive you except when it comes to dogs. 415 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: But let me plan a seed for a conversation that 416 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: I want to have with both the all as we 417 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: go forward because I think what Oriel was trying to say, 418 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: and I think that you all get this more often 419 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: than not, is that there is a perception that Angela 420 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: Rai and Tiffany Cross can be intimidating because of how 421 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: beautiful they are and how intellectual they are and the 422 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: fact that they stand in it and know it. And so 423 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: how do you navigate that or how do you deal 424 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: with people who feel intimidated when they're in your presence, 425 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: particularly as a black woman. Maybe that's another. 426 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: Pot You don't get that from morel that didn't get 427 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: that from a real I will say, I think it's 428 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: amazing that we got three very different things from what 429 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: Aroh was saying. I took from that the conversation around 430 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Joe Budden's podcast and the idea about intellectualism. The part 431 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: that I think or maybe didn't hear is that you're 432 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: intellectually curious. You don't consider yourself an intellectual. I believe 433 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: he was saying he considers you an intellectual. And if 434 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: you're an intellectual, and these other people who have opinions 435 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: and are driving culture and driving conversation and have large 436 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: platforms are not considered intellectual. But you won't have an 437 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: exchange change with them. Where does that leave the culture? 438 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: And I think that is a conversation we need to 439 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: continue to have. Tiff has never said those conversations shouldn't happen. 440 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: She said that's not her particular ministry. And we've you know, 441 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: bifurcated whose ministry it is on the show. So, Arel, 442 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: I hope you'll continue listening and continuing to challenge us. 443 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Keep sitting in your ideas, your questions, your thoughts. We 444 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: love all of them. Make sure as they do it. Oh, 445 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna finish this one point. Is they gonna 446 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: say on Joe Budden's podcast, not too much on Tiff though. Okay, 447 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: so it's all good. She's not sensitive. She can, of course, 448 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: she can be the cheese standing alone, and she could 449 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: definitely hold her own. But I just want to make 450 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: sure we don't engage in apollo. So we appreciate the 451 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: love and encouragement to Tiff, appreciate the challenge, and we 452 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: appreciate the opportunity to give her the Florida respond go ahead, tip, Yeah, 453 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: I thank you. We should have let you respond first, 454 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: because I did not get that from what he was 455 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: saying at all. So my bad brother around all three 456 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: of us definitely took something different. So to that point, 457 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: now I understand better what you were saying. Of my 458 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: apology for misunderstanding your point. So again I would push 459 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: back on that. I have never said I would not 460 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: debate someone on my level. The point I was making 461 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: around the Joe Budden podcast, using them as an example, 462 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: is if you are insulting me for my intellect, I'm 463 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: saying I cannot fill a cup that's already full. So 464 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: if I'm telling you something and you're not receptive, you're 465 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: not interested in what I have to say, and you're 466 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: being insulting, which I have had those type of exchanges 467 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: with people, I'm saying that is not a conversation I 468 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: choose to participate in. Again, I don't litigate what somebody 469 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: else should participate in. I'm saying for me, if someone says, no, 470 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: you should come on here and talk to us, my 471 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: response is simply and respectfully, get somebody else to do it. 472 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: That's not for me, but I'm happy to go into 473 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: spaces that speak to the culture. I don't believe speaking 474 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: to the culture. I think that's something that I would 475 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: say white liberals do or black people who don't have 476 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: a more what I would call an more authentic black 477 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: ex experience. Tavis Smiley said that what did he say 478 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: the biggest problems with Black America was crack cocaine and 479 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: the IVY League. And I never really understood what he 480 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: meant by that until I started working with a bunch 481 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: of black people who went to an IVY League. And 482 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: they think appealing to black people and the black culture 483 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: is appealing to the lowest common denominator, the most ignorant 484 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: among us. And I don't believe that. I think there's 485 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: somebody who should go in those spaces and preach the 486 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: gospel and help inform just like people help inform me 487 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: every single day. There are many things I don't know. 488 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: You could feel what I know in a thimble. There 489 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: are so many things I don't know. But I definitely 490 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: don't choose to to go in certain spaces that I 491 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: feel are disrespectful. I mean I could, I could go on, 492 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: but I won't put myself in an environment that I 493 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: deem disrespectful to me personally, or disrespectful to women, or 494 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: disrespectful to black people or the culture. Sorry, fund were 495 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: you have three different takes, three completely different takes, but 496 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: that's the importance of having, you know, diversity of voices 497 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: and thought on your pod, So we appreciate you all 498 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: for sharing your diversity of thoughts and opinions on our pod. 499 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: We'll make sure that we urge you a roll to 500 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: go back and listen to the shows We've talked about 501 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: this ad nauseum, so we encourage you to go listen 502 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: to some of those shows. Thank you all for tuning 503 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: into this mini pod. It was an ass Tiffany, so 504 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: let's name it accordingly. 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