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Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah.

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Speaker 2: This is Devon and this is no such thing.

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Speaker 3: The show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours

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Speaker 3: by actually doing the research. On today's episode, why does

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Speaker 3: the Sonny water taste like that?

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Speaker 4: I could not believe that a company like Coca Cola

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Speaker 4: believes conspiracy theorists. Quite interesting.

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Speaker 1: No, there's no no such thing, no such thing, such thing.

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Speaker 3: All right, show of hands, vocally, who here identifies as

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Speaker 3: a real water drinker.

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Speaker 5: I drink a lot. My hands raised, Yeah, my hands raised.

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Speaker 1: Devin and Noah are water drinkers. I'm look, I'm I've

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Speaker 1: gotten I'm way better than I used to be. I

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Speaker 1: used to not drink any water, and now I realize

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Speaker 1: how insane that is.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: But probably when I first moved to New York, like

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, I would be getting my from like juices

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Speaker 1: or you know, just was not drinking water by itself.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I drink a lot of water. If I'm not

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Speaker 5: drinking water, I'm drinking tea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So those are my two drink options.

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Speaker 2: And usually at the same time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll double fist it, you know, I get a

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Speaker 5: I get a cup of tea. Get a cup of tea,

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Speaker 5: get a cup of water. I get harassed at the dentist,

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they always tell you need the water.

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Speaker 2: I'm a coffee guy.

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Speaker 5: Drink I'm like, okay, I got it. Yeah, I drink

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Speaker 5: a lot of water.

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Speaker 2: And growing up.

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Speaker 5: Water, No, growing up, it was a little bit different. Okay,

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Speaker 5: so back in my house, like growing up, we didn't

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Speaker 5: have like water in the fridge. It was like soda

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Speaker 5: and juice.

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Speaker 5: I feel like middle school, high school we started introducing

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Speaker 5: I transitioned to full on water college post college, because

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Speaker 5: you're just like, it's too damn expensive to be buying

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Speaker 5: juice and soda. Like I just like, it's you know,

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Speaker 5: so you get the bread in a refrigerator, yep, and

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Speaker 5: that's free. Yeah yeah, good outside of the filters. And

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Speaker 5: then yeah, Now it's funny when my family comes to

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Speaker 5: he's only got freaking water.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we never had soda in the house really,

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Speaker 3: be you know, a juice in the morning, that sort

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Speaker 2: We'd have milk.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you were one of those have milk.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean for most of what I can

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Speaker 3: think of is glasses of water.

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Speaker 1: These days, I'm way better at drinking water. A few

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Speaker 1: years ago, actually, when we were all at BI, I

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Speaker 1: they were like, you need to drink way more water.

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Speaker 1: So then I bought on Amazon, like one of those

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Speaker 1: like sixty four ounce yeah water bottles, and it's got

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm way better today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's definitely exploded in the past few years,

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Speaker 5: Sort of thing. Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And we both have ours right now.

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Speaker 3: But we're not I don't think we're on the extreme

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Speaker 1: Is there too much?

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Speaker 2: well you know.

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Speaker 5: Who else didn't know that. My mom didn't know that

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Speaker 5: because when I told you, she said, well fed more important.

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Speaker 3: Like what you and even for even for adults, you

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Speaker 3: can drink too much. All right, let's let's smooth forward

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Bottled waters. You're going into pharmacy of

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Speaker 3: your choice, Walgreens, Dwane Reid c CV.

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Speaker 2: What are you what are you looking for?

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Speaker 5: Number one? So I'm not First of all, I'm not

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Speaker 5: a spend one hundred dollars on a water bottles, So

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Speaker 5: I'm not getting any of those vans and all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: That's that's out of the market for me.

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Speaker 2: You're going for the every man.

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Speaker 5: I'm going for every man. It's water. What are we

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Okay, it just needs to taste okay, mm hmmm. I

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Speaker 5: think the best tasting budget water is poland spring.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, Number one, spring Man.

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Speaker 1: All right, finish the reci your ring and then I've

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah. Number two. Number two is like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: we could do like a deer Park water solid an aquafina.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had deer Park.

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Speaker 2: It stands out less branding wise.

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Speaker 5: It kind of looks like spring. Yeah. Okay, so that

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Speaker 5: you know those are like in the middle Deer Park

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Speaker 2: There's a crystal geezer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot of them are generic feeling. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's like another. There's a few others like that.

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Speaker 1: Is it great geezer or geyser geyser crystal old man,

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Speaker 1: we can cut that out. I was genuinely curious. I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, what We'll see there's a.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then okay, so that's in the middle, and

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Speaker 5: then there's a very long distance, a very long distance,

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Speaker 5: and then at the very very bottom it's then yeah, wow,

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Speaker 5: this sign if I'm getting this SANI, there's no other water.

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Speaker 3: Event, but I'm going store brand over that. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean I haven't had the SNI

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Speaker 5: It has to be the only option sometimes when you

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Speaker 5: that's the only option, and so you can't do anything

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Speaker 5: about it. But yeah, yeah, if I have to pick,

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Speaker 5: it's like I said, poem spring number one, all the

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Speaker 5: other ones in the middle, number two, and then very

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Speaker 5: worst case scenario, worst case scenario I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I've even had I've gone to a

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Speaker 3: a sporting event, like you know, I was gonna be good.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna you know, not drink. But they're forcing

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Speaker 2: Is because the only offering is soon now.

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Speaker 5: They're making me an alcoholic.

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Speaker 2: And it's their fall.

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Speaker 1: Sni is the reason why my dad never came back.

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Speaker 1: So I've heard this so much that people hate Dasani.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Part of me is like I can I can easily

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Speaker 1: imagine that these waters have different tastes. I do wonder

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Speaker 1: where the hell is the like the hate like like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it don't taste good to me.

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Speaker 3: And this is like the fact that it stands out.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I kind of privately or personally came to this, yes,

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Speaker 3: and then I found out other people feel this way,

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Speaker 3: so that proves to me it's real and not just like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I didn't just see something like someone said, oh, Desny's

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Speaker 3: of course I can get influence by things, but no,

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Speaker 3: like I decided on my own, I don't like the

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Speaker 3: sony and then other people like Devin and the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And I guess it's fair too because you

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Speaker 2: Yes, as I'm maybe not.

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Speaker 5: Exactly you know you ready, Yeah, you know, conversation happening

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Speaker 5: about I'm to the differences. Yeah, It's just always been

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Speaker 5: a thing for me where I'm like this, yeah, it

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Speaker 5: tastes off, And like Noah was saying, I've been thinking

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Speaker 5: about this since I was a kid when I couldn't

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Speaker 5: you know, It's not like when you're a kid somebody

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Speaker 5: hands you water. It's like water is water. You're not like, oh,

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Speaker 5: this water tastes Yeah. I was just like, why is

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Speaker 2: And it's not refreshing the same way.

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Speaker 5: No, when I drink water, I wanted to be refreshing

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Speaker 5: and I don't really want to notice it.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, Desianni just never felt as thirst quenching

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Speaker 3: the same way. Yeah, so it wasn't you know, in

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Speaker 3: my mind, it's just not as satisfying to drink. So

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Speaker 3: it's like I should just get juice or something else.

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Speaker 1: I know, you ranked them already, but I'm so fascinated

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Speaker 1: by Like, all right, can you describe the difference between

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Speaker 1: Aquafina and Poland Spring.

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Speaker 5: M I think Poland Spring to me is the most refreshing,

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Speaker 5: Like I just have you know, when I think of

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Speaker 2: That was that was huge, So that's something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the water bottle shape is interesting because it's it's dumb.

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Speaker 3: Obviously that that impacts how we taste it. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's true because Desani has the thin, narrow bottle, which

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Speaker 5: It's like a sexy bottle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, slim, slim, thick sort of thing. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: I think maybe because that it's almost like then my

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because Poland Spring, well remember when they started using

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Speaker 2: What about now? The caps are smaller. Yeah, they used

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Speaker 5: You used to have some weight to them. You pick

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Speaker 5: and it wouldn't give now you knowing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you drink some water that's barely there.

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Speaker 5: It's like, what is this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can hold it in? Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 3: So it's Poland Spring, I think one say the name

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Speaker 3: Poland Spring, yes, spring, Yes, this is real natural water

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Speaker 3: it Yeah, beautiful artwork.

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Speaker 5: I'm from.

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Speaker 3: I'm from New England, so you know, it kind of

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Speaker 3: I'm from. So we're not alone on the dasagny thing.

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Speaker 3: As I said before, But this was new to me

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Speaker 3: when I started looking into this for the episode, because,

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Speaker 3: like I said, I haven't had a design years. I

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Speaker 3: swore off it and I knew that wasn't for me,

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Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm not checking out for any

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Speaker 3: updates on Thesani. But there's a lot of theories running

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Speaker 3: around about why the SONI stands out taste wise. The

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Speaker 3: main one is that the Coca Cola company adds salt

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Speaker 3: like basic table salt to make people thirsty or so

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Speaker 3: then they have to buy more to Sani.

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Speaker 2: No way, come on, Yeah, we.

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Speaker 6: Now that Sony has magnesium sulfate and potassium chloride, But

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Speaker 6: And this is why every fast food restaurant sells to Sony,

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Speaker 5: Y'all stay conscious?

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Speaker 1: Who is that from info Wars.

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Speaker 3: It's like kind of a prevailed that's kind of the

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Speaker 5: That works against it though, because then you're you're a

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Speaker 3: Product, especially when it's like waters in most cases there's options.

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Speaker 1: Yes, why would you make it so that, like if

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Speaker 3: See, yes, exactly right, Yeah, But did you guys know

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Speaker 5: This is exactly what I'm talking about. And this is

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Speaker 5: difference between the Sani. I would say Aquafina is in

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Speaker 5: in your face. What you means a formula. This is

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Speaker 1: That is a good question. What is a water formula?

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Speaker 5: Formula?

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Speaker 1: But they're just like preserved Sani and Aquafina.

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Speaker 5: They both have a like y'all did something in the

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna talk to some water experts, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, and we're back.

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Speaker 3: So I spoke to two water experts to get some

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Speaker 2: My name is Johnny.

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Speaker 7: Johnny Poujol started a company called tap Score about a

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Speaker 3: Johnny describes his company tap Score as the twenty three

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Speaker 4: Hello, my name is Martin Reason. I'm your personal water somebody. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So that's Marian and the s is a water samelier.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that accent. That's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: So I asked these gentlemen to lay out what factors

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Speaker 7: When you look at water quality and the taste and smells,

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Speaker 7: really shouldn't have a lot of microbial tastes and odors

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Speaker 7: And then you have maybe the most kind of ubiquitously

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Speaker 7: These can all impart significant flavor to the water, whether

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Speaker 3: And then you got things like more general properties like

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Speaker 7: Anyway, long story short, there's like different components to both

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Speaker 3: Water, drinking water, well water in general, and drilling down

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Speaker 4: So not all bottled water are created equally one water brands.

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Speaker 4: They're coming from other nature like spring waters and mineral waters.

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Speaker 4: That means these waters getting their unique taste profiled due

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Speaker 4: to nature. Was water's universal solvent, it will pour minerality

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Speaker 3: So there's like spring in mineral waters, where the bottlers

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Speaker 2: To build that flavor profile.

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Speaker 3: So what you guys were saying earlier before the break,

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Speaker 5: Mm Okay, I do see this thing like half the

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Speaker 5: It's just weird to think of, like you know, Coca

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised by the fact that these companies

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Speaker 5: Yeah, imagine being a water taste tester.

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Speaker 1: You know, some people can't even tell the difference between

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Speaker 2: Like long term, it's like why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, so we'll do a taste test later

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Speaker 4: So first of all, we don't have the golden palette

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Speaker 4: If you're sitting in a beautiful restaurant with your friends,

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Speaker 4: This is just because you grew up on that particular

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Speaker 3: versus like he says, a paper cup versus glass. Yeah,

441
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 3: or factor.

442
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: If I just got done playing soccer, you know whatever

443
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: water I drink is going to be incredible because I

444
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: neat my body, Yeah, versus the same water the next day,

445
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: maybe it won't be as good.

446
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: All right, So I didn't want to waste these guys time.

447
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: These are important water experts.

448
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 5: I think I'll get back to talking about water so much.

449
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: So I had to know why Desndy got such a

450
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: bad rap.

451
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 2: Hmm, I said, straight up, just tell me, do they

452
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: really add salt to their water?

453
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: Oh?

454
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: And the short.

455
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: Answer is yes.

456
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: Oh, but it's not so simple.

457
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot of misconception on salt because we're

458
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 7: all comfortable familiar with using sodium table salt, right, But

459
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 7: you can have salts of all different types. You can

460
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 7: have potassium salts and they'll taste different than sodium salt's

461
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 7: table salt, and so it will still have many the

462
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 7: same properties of a salt. It's rapid dissociation, but it

463
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 7: will taste differently. So when we talk about salts, we should,

464
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 7: in any better world, all be somehow you know, remember

465
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 7: chemistry one oh one. And we would remember that there's

466
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 7: different types of salt, and the type of salt matters

467
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 7: to the taste. But you know, understandably got other priorities.

468
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 7: When we talk about salts, we usually just say salt,

469
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 7: but yeah, there's many different types of salts and they

470
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 7: have different flavors.

471
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Speaker 4: And now let's come to the fact that minerals are

472
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 4: salts and salts are electrolytes. So somehow, and I don't

473
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 4: know why people getting a little confused about that, because

474
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 4: the same people who are hating Dazani, well they're adding

475
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 4: the salt to make your thirst year will buy smart Water, Well,

476
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 4: they're adding electro lights. Sodium is an electro light. That

477
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 4: is what it's in Dazagni. The TTS that means total

478
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 4: the soft sort of the overall millicomposition is even the

479
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,239
Speaker 4: same by Doazanni and smart Water. There's barely anything in

480
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: there because the TTS of smart Water is twenty eight

481
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: and the last time I checked Doazanni is twenty seven.

482
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: So it's like the conspiracy theorists were right, like on accident.

483
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're right in the sense that Thesani did have

484
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: what we would call table saw in their formula, but

485
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: that wasn't unusual.

486
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: It's funny the idea of conspiracy theorists being right on accident,

487
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: like if you thought, if you thought like the CIA

488
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: killed JFK. But it turns out it was like a

489
00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 1: guy named like Chris Ian Alexander Year.

490
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: After all of these salt theories and backlash, Desani did

491
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: change their formula, like I said, and their label now

492
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: proudly says now without salt asterisk as the old version

493
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: did have. You could look at the ingredients and it said,

494
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: you know, it's all these everythings and it had salt

495
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: on it.

496
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: That is the funniest, like corporate ready to say something

497
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: now without salt ash.

498
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: So then mariin the water some of the a he

499
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 3: has some critiques of this new DESIGNI.

500
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 4: What I think my theory is actually the wrong way.

501
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 4: It's the other way around. They need to add more

502
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: salt to make the water actually tastey good. It's the

503
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: same like you cook in your soup. No salt in

504
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 4: your soup not good taste. Too much salt not good taste.

505
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 4: You need to find a sweet spot. So the Dazagni

506
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 4: problem is what everybody thinking they're getting thirstier for this

507
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: dry mouth field. So you drink Dazani and you have

508
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 4: this dry mouthfield on your palate, and you think, like

509
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: that's weird. I just drunk water. They should not be

510
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 4: a dry mouth field. That actually happens to all waters

511
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: when they're very low in minerality white, because again water

512
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: is universe, is solvent. There's barely any minerals. As often

513
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: that water, it will find minerals in your sliver, it

514
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: will pull off from your sliver or all these minerals,

515
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 4: and now you have this dry mouthfeel afterwards. So I

516
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 4: can fix Dazani for Warracola happy when they're reaching out

517
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 4: to me. I can actually fix it to make it

518
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 4: very good tasting. But they choose, as a billion dollar

519
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: company to go the reddid way to listen to conspiracy

520
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: theorists that they're adding salt to make it the water

521
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 4: people thirst year. What is actually the opposite? That is

522
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 4: a crazy path, that is an insane pub. When I

523
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 4: saw the new DESIGNI I could not believe that a

524
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 4: company like Covra Cola believes conspiracy theorists quite interesting.

525
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: So he thinks the Sanni is even worse now with

526
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: the new formula. He told me he reached out to

527
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: Coca Cola to discuss the new formula, but they said

528
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: it's a trade secret.

529
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: They told me it's a secret. It's like a secret.

530
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: A recipe in water is a secret. Dazani is as

531
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: like it's like short Knox, I need to like, really,

532
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to be on the same plane. Who

533
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: knows the formulation of darzani? Really that's not a flex.

534
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I was laughing. I was like, I cannot

535
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: believe you guys telling me this. I like, this is

536
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 4: this is completely insane. Light Now like everybody with like

537
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: a with's like an easy like an easy let can

538
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: figure out immediately what's in there. I figured out by

539
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 4: myself with that five dollars divide how much TDS that

540
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: water has. So to tell me it's a recipe secret,

541
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 4: completely nonsense, to.

542
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Be honest, that is it is hilarious concept of like who,

543
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: like what would I do if I did know the

544
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: recipe with you?

545
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: So luckily for us, Johnny's company, tap Score ran an

546
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: analysis of the new Desaanni and here's what they found.

547
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: So compared to the old version, the pH chloride and

548
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: potassium levels went up, while the sodium went down. So

549
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: while they did add salt with the potassium, which is

550
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: also an electrolyte, they cut the sodium to fix the

551
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: table saw issue from the conspiracy theorists, and higher pH

552
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: levels may also make for a smoother taste. That's basically

553
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: where we're at now.

554
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: So Martin's criticism is like, hey, you guys are letting

555
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 5: the you know, the Reddit public perception of your brand

556
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 5: dictate what you're doing with your formula versus just trying

557
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 5: to make the thing taste as good as possible. In

558
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 5: being like, Reddit's not going to decide what this thing

559
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: tastes like.

560
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that seems to be his main contention, where it's like,

561
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: the issue isn't that there's salt in the water, It's

562
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: about finding the right balance with other flavors or other

563
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: factors that can make it make it taste better.

564
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 5: I agree, but I also disagree. I think part of

565
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 5: the issue is that it's a little too late that

566
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 5: the SNY is trying to do something, so everyone has

567
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 5: a preconceived notion of like the SANI sucks, so like

568
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 5: they need to change something. And if we think it's

569
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: you know, where our mouths are dry, If we think

570
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 5: it has less salt, then maybe that's better, even if

571
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 5: that's not actually the case.

572
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

573
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 5: The issue now is just, yeah, there's just a public

574
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 5: perception of them, and they're just gonna do whatever they

575
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 5: need to change the public perception, even if that's not

576
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 5: actually making it taste better.

577
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like I mean, like I said, I haven't

578
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: touched with Sonny in years. I didn't know about this

579
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: formula change, and in my head it wasn't a saltiness.

580
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: Though maybe if I had done a real close tasting

581
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: of it, I would have thought that. So then if

582
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: I had that on my head and I saw the

583
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: new thing that says no slaw added asterisk, yeah, maybe

584
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: I'd give it a shot.

585
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking as a marketing guy, if I had

586
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: to signal to somebody that this water is different, you

587
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 5: have to put new formula on a bottle of water,

588
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: because then you're like, what form Yeah right, it's like

589
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 5: we took out the salt. That's one thing, but like

590
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 5: new formula.

591
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of new questions for people who don't

592
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: know about these things.

593
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: So basically, Desagny made changes to its formula to address

594
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: a specific complaint by consumers, but the consumers didn't understand

595
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: why it tasted weird to them. So they basically made

596
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: a big change to appease people. But the change doesn't

597
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: it's not science bad, make it better.

598
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just did it, which.

599
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 5: Seems to be a recurring issue. And you know in

600
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: this podcast is people responding to critics, but not not

601
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: ye listening to science.

602
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: So to sum up, the Sauni did indeed add salt

603
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: to their water. But this isn't unusual. It wasn't a

604
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: conspiracy to get you to buy more water. Yeah, and

605
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: they still add salt, just different salts.

606
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

607
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: All of that said, Martin thinks Coca Cola made this

608
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: formula change in part to fight back against those allegations.

609
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 5: And to be fair, we don't know if that's the case. Yeah,

610
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 5: we don't know, speculating So that's that's.

611
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: The basic answers, the basic question of why do Saanny

612
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: tastes different than other waters? Yeah, but now I think

613
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: we need to do a little tastest ourselves and see

614
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: if we notice anything. So after the break, let's do

615
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: a little blind taste test to see how Desni fares.

616
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm Manny, I'm Noah, and it's time for a taste

617
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: test for a test. We're going to taste three waters

618
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: of various TDS levels.

619
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: TDS stands for total dissolved solids.

620
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: This measures the dissolved.

621
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: Combined content of inorganic and organic substances in a liquid.

622
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: This includes things like calcium, phosphates, sodium, potassium chloride, and more.

623
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: TDS is measured in parts per million. We're going to

624
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: compare distilled water, which of course has absolutely nothing in it,

625
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: so that's totally stripped down, should taste like pure nothing.

626
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: Number two designy so that's a purified water with a

627
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: measure TDS total dissolved sidellids around twenty five. And number

628
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: three is evy on, which is a natural spring water,

629
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 3: and that has a TDS of three p forty, so

630
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: we should be able to taste the stuff going on

631
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 3: in there, so the natural minerals that sort of thing.

632
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: And then just to clarify, the stale water has a

633
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: TDS of zero. Yes, that's the most pure exactly.

634
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, So we'll see how sensitive our palates

635
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: are to see if we can guess which ones which for.

636
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 5: The audience, we do not know which is which will

637
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 5: be revealed.

638
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: By fance rebottled these waters into other bottles labeled them

639
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: and gave me our key that I'll be revealing afterwards. Okay,

640
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: don't know this either, So let's start with a and

641
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: per our experts instructions, we're going to have the stuff

642
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: at room temperature, since ice or colder temperatures can number

643
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: senses a bit.

644
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: Oh so we want the real flavor.

645
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: Gosh, and we're drinking out of wineglasses, so you know

646
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: the water can open up and you know, really breathe

647
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: a little bit crazy.

648
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 5: Okay, so this is a cheers following cheers cheers.

649
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it tastes like water.

650
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm not getting a lot.

651
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: Of flavor in the no.

652
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 5: I feel like this is distilled.

653
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: I know, first I don't know, but then I'm I'm

654
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: kind of like in there, maybe I might think this

655
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: is the san I mean, I'm looking for like salt, now.

656
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: You know what this is?

657
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: Trying to think how long it's lingering in my mouth?

658
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: I think it's I'll say it's it's not bad. I'm

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Speaker 3: not loving it, though, I feel like the distilled is

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Speaker 3: gonna be a'm I'm looking.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this. I'm looking for, you know, for

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Speaker 1: my own preference. I have like a crispi er fresher.

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00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, I want less taste based on how you

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Speaker 1: guys hate Dashani. I think this is the SON.

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00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 5: I think it's that's my guess.

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Speaker 2: I know. I think I'll go to SONI too.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna move on to B.

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00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: All right, a little less funky.

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Speaker 5: To me, I'm not.

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00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: Getting much from any.

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Speaker 3: Maybe this is distilled.

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Speaker 5: I think this may be distilled.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm not tasting anything, and it feels like

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00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: it's disappearing really fast. Yeah, I think, But it's not

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Speaker 3: so far off from the A.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I think B is distilled.

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Speaker 3: I think now it's like better be crazy. I guess

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00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: we get.

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Speaker 5: But this feels like distilled.

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00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: To me. This had less taste than the previous one.

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00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and my mouth feels less different. Yeah, exactly, Like it.

683
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: Feels like as soon as I swallow, it's gone, it's.

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00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: Gone bottle boom. So all right, B we think is distilled.

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00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: All right, now we're having C.

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00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 5: All right, you're C Yeah, mmm mm hmmm.

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00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Is this one like creamier almost?

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00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: I think I think this. I think we got it right.

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00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: I think it's evy on.

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00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: You know what this is crazy because I don't really

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 5: have AVI on so this.

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00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Is I don't really know. And the natural spring, Yeah.

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00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: I think this is because there's nothing I've tasted before.

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00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: So high t d s to me would mean that

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00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: it was it has more of a taste.

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00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like you go to a beautiful spring.

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: An opening in the in the woods is the waterfall.

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00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: It's good, go down, put your put your hands, and

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00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: then drink out of it.

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00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: All right, should I read?

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00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go to the key.

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00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: All right, let me over the key.

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00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 5: It's like the Oscar this movement.

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00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: All right.

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00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was B distilled. And see.

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00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: And I'm saying A is the saani, B is avion,

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00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and C is distilled.

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00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: Alright, folks, the answer.

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00:34:53,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: Devin and I are right, yeah, damn mean to me,

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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: the third one tastes the cleanest to me.

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00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 5: Yes, it tastes the cleanest because it's the most naked.

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 5: Its natural.

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00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: That's how you should be drinking water.

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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 5: In my opinion, that's the most refreshing.

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00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: I thought distilled more clean tasting than that.

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00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 5: No, because it's not. It's not more we're used to drinking.

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00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but it's funny too because It's like Evan

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00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: does market itself as like this luxury thing, and it's

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00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: like here we are loving it.

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00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 5: The purpose of this is can we tell the difference

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00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 5: between the water and you can? Yeah? Yeah, I'm actually.

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00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: Surprised, honestly that I that we we all have the

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Speaker 3: real tell the difference the real heads.

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we know if a Desaani lawyer is

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00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: listening to this, I actually quite liked.

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00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: It, and listen, We're open to any sponsorships. Hey, Coke,

728
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: I would love Poland Spring sponsorship, but I'm I'm ready

729
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: to convert.

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00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 5: It's probably more money in the coke world.

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00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it's definitely most likely we do

732
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: end up with a Coke sponsorship. And you're probably gonna

733
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: make us delete this episode. Oh yeah, okay, So now

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00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: that we did the taste test, have either you've been

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00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 3: converted to sony.

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00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: Converted to.

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00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 7: No.

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: In fact, you know I I at the beginning of this,

739
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I started as like, how can you.

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00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: Hate and get your agnostic?

741
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: And I don't hate it, but I did notice like, Okay,

742
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: that's tastes so much different than the other ones, and

743
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: I can easily see how someone would not.

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00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 5: Like that, and It's funny that you know, we picked

745
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: up on that before even you know, Noah told us

746
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 5: all this information. It's just like the Sani felt like

747
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 5: it was trying to be someone that is not you know,

748
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 5: like I would rather designy almost just be distilled water,

749
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: just like, don't add anything to it, just be straight

750
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: up because you're not spring, but you're trying to trick

751
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 5: me a little bit into being spring. Sure, you're in

752
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 5: this weird in between. It just makes me feel great

753
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 5: about my choices in life. It makes me feel validated. Yeah,

754
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 5: I feel validated, you know, I because I am somebody

755
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 5: similar to you know. If I go and I don't

756
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 5: see the type of water that I want, I just

757
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 5: get something else, and so I will continue formula. Apologies

758
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: to the signing, but it's not for me. I'm sticking

759
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 5: with my Poland springs. Maybe I'll even get you know,

760
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 5: it's my first time have an ammon in quite some time. Yeah,

761
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 5: maybe I'm a Maybe I have a couple more dollars,

762
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 5: you know, make a while, Yeah, and you get a

763
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 5: little more expensive one.

764
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: Now that I know the process stuff, I think I'll

765
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: probably try to buy a spring water just because I

766
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: know I like that already, I'll say, though the designy

767
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: wasn't as bad, So I don't know if it's because

768
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: the formula change or or just the setting room. So

769
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: I can't say I would never buy a DESAGNI like

770
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: I think maybe if I'm in a situation where I'm thirsty,

771
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: I need the water, and I go to the venue

772
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 3: machine and it's only Dasani, I'll say this, I'll give

773
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: it a shot. I'm not going to prioritize the sony

774
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: or any kind of purified one, to be honest, like,

775
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 3: I like the spring.

776
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: I like the idea of this.

777
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: I like to taste spring or dot.

778
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Spring, spring or die. All right, thanks for listening to

779
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: no such thing.

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00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: The show is produced by Noah Friedman, Devin Joseph, and

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00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: Manny Fidel.

782
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: Theme music is by Manny.

783
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: Additional research of this episode by Scott Davis, and our

784
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: guests were Johnny Poujol and Martin Reese.

785
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,719
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00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,400
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788
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,880
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789
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