1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Uh, this episode is 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: about a hilarious mistake, a goof a doof a whoopsie blunder. 4 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: My name is Ben? A blender, a blending of blunders? Perhaps, yeah, 5 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: a blending of blunder. Is that on first blush seems 6 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: a little unremarkable, But no, sir, no sir, it was 7 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: not unremarkable because it has to do with borders. We've 8 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: been doing a little border theme lately. We had that 9 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: war between what was it, Ohio and they had that 10 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: no man's land where no man knew who it belonged 11 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: to because of a poor mapping and just pource what 12 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: speculation right or um? Cartography? Cartography? That's the word, Ben. 13 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Such is the case in today's episode where the US 14 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: accidentally built a military based on the wrong side of 15 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: the US Canada border spoiler alert. But there's more to 16 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: it than that, isn't there? So in eighteen sixteen, Um, 17 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: it became a big deal that we protect our border 18 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: with Canada. Why you might ask, why is that? I'll 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: tell you why, Ben, You think we think of Canada 20 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: as our mellow You know stoner neighbors to the north. Yeah, 21 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: it's like it's uh. One time, I don't completely agree 22 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: with this. One time friend of mine referred to Canada 23 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: as diet America and I said, why's that and they said, well, 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: it's a little better for you, and I was like, 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: you know nothing about the diet soda game man analogy. Oh, 26 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: we should give a shout out to our guest super 27 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Controlled Decant. He's like our Canada. He 28 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: actually he and he is Canada. He and super producer 29 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: Casey Begraam are very good friends outside of the show. 30 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: The American version of Casey It's funny Casey Uh. He 31 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: has his second life in Paris, France as La Bouche, 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: but occasionally he carries on a third life as a 33 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: logger in French. Canada also goes by the moniker La Bouche. 34 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Where's a slightly different outfit, much more of a plaid 35 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: flannel lumberjack flannel situation. Um and yeah, and he's he 36 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: has an unstoppable force in the logging industry and it 37 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: all ties into his Parisian criminal empire, which which we 38 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: should save for its own episode. I think we should 39 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: because boundaries are important exactly. Speaking of boundaries, so we're 40 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: talking about Canada, we think of them as as our friends, 41 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: which they are. But at the time, I mean, there's 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: still what what would you call them van a territory 43 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom, Like, how how are they connected 44 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: to the United Kingdom. Well, the thing is that the 45 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: British use Canadian land as a taking off point for invasions. 46 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: So during both the American Revolutionary War and again in 47 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: the War of eighteen twelve, British forces launch invasions down 48 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Lake Champlain with hopes of cutting America in two and 49 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: so the Madison administration says, this is a weak point, 50 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: this cannot be happening. We have to do something her 51 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: um for um, for um, something must be done. We 52 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: need a sick fortress, we need a dope a f fortress. 53 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: That's the best solution. So they construct a modern, heavy 54 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: fort modern for that day, on the New York shore 55 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: of Lake Champlain, and they named the place Fort Montgomery, 56 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: in honor of General Richard Montgomery, hero of the Revolutionary War. 57 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: And this dude named Joseph Totten, who later became the 58 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: chief engineer of the U. S Army of the whole army. 59 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: This guy meant business. He oversaw the construction and it 60 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: was a thirty foot tall structure. It was made out 61 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: of the same vermont Um limestone that later was used 62 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: to construct Radio City Music Hall in the Brooklyn Bridge. Uh, 63 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: and they built this thing up. It was gonna have 64 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: a cannon ports and any ship that was passing by 65 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: on the British side was going to be given What 66 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: for sounds great on paper, here's the problem. This was 67 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: an embarrassment on multiple levels. And we'll get to the 68 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: big one in a sect. But just the building itself, 69 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: it was, as you said, eight sided, thirty ft high, 70 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: but it was built on a weak, unstable foundation that 71 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: was mainly composed of debris bought from ruins of the 72 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: Plattsburgh batteries and outworks. So literally the foundations of this 73 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: thing a week. It can't hold, and uh, it doesn't 74 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: matter if it does hold, because they figured out what 75 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: was wrong pretty quickly. Yeah, at the most embarrassing time possible, 76 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: because Madison actually showed up to get a glance, to 77 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: get a gander at the progress that his you know 78 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: that he had he had proposed this fort and that 79 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: is when they realized that they had actually built the 80 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: thing on the Canada side. Let's get a tire screech. Perfect. Yeah, 81 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: you see, under the seventy three Treaty of Paris, the 82 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: border between New York and Quebec was the parallel. But 83 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: the previous understanding of the location of that line of 84 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: latitude was incorrect, a fact that surveyors did not discover 85 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: until eighteen eighteen. At this point, the US has already 86 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: spent two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars construction. That 87 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: is not chump change of the time. That a serious, big, 88 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: imaginary military money. Yeah, let's let's in fleation. Calculate this 89 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: real quick. Here we go. Two hundred and seventy five 90 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in eighteen eighteen is now worth approximately five million, 91 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: five hundred thirty three thousand, five hundred nineteen dollars and 92 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: sixty cents. Okay, so maybe not like Avatar money, but 93 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, five million dollars five structure, that's a lot. 94 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: That's a lot firs stone instructure. It's true. There wasn't 95 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: even any like moving parts. There wasn't even any technology. 96 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Probably windows, windows, door hinges, the original moving parts. Yes, 97 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: so this is This is a tremendous embarrassment, right. Uh, 98 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: what what do they do when they figure out that 99 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: this fort designed to protect the US from Canada is 100 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, in Canada. Yeah. And it wasn't until eighteen 101 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: forty two that this discrepancy about the borderline was resolved. 102 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: There's something called the Webster Ashburton Treaty that provided the 103 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: understanding that the original border was going to hold. The 104 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: old line, um was that was surveyed by Valentine and 105 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Collins in seventeen seventy four. That was known as the 106 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: forty five degree of north latitude and then became known 107 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: as the actual divide between New York and Vermont on 108 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: one side and the British province of Canada on the other. 109 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: And from this is a quote actually from a neat 110 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: Arama article, And from said point of intersection west along 111 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: the said divide lies as heretofore known and understood to 112 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: the Iroquois as or Sir Lawrence River. You know, this 113 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: is back in the day when if you wanted stuff 114 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: to sound totally profound, you added said you just peppered 115 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: in said. At some point, you know, our said guest 116 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: producer Paul Decan is agree here. So it's it's interesting 117 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: because they tried to resolve the issue. But while they 118 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: were resolving this, we have to remember this fort had 119 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: been abandoned decades. Locals are looting the construction site because 120 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: the work stopped, you know, and uh, Fort Montgomery, by 121 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: the time two comes around, is widely known as Fort Blunder. 122 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: But to to your point, after this Webster Ashburton Treaty, 123 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: that's the one right, they resumed construction in eighteen four 124 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: and Fort Blunder actually get some get some play. It's 125 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: a it's a working base. No, I'm just saying actually, 126 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: like I'm surprised. Look, it's a living language. I'll speak 127 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: I want as well you should. Then I will ask 128 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: questions as I want. Do you Are you one of 129 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: those people who's intimidated by the use of the word 130 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: actually or is it? For me? It's when it's at 131 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: the beginning of a sentence, it always so why are 132 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: you doing this? Yeah, it's sort of to me it's 133 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: a license to tune out whatever the person is about 134 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: to say after that. So I actually appreciate it because 135 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of a context clue where you know, whatever's 136 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna follow is going to be pretentious and unhelpful, like 137 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: that old Dmitri Martin observation when he says, I love 138 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: bumper stickers. Such a convenient way of saying, let's never 139 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: talk agreed. Oh I I like bumper stickers. They're just 140 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: not for me. You're not for me either. No, No, 141 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I have a virgin car. This is straight. You can 142 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: see photos of Fort Blunder Fort Montgomery Excuses. If you 143 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: want to check out some close up pictures, visit historic 144 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: Lakes dot org, where you can see you can see 145 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: the lay of the land, you can see the old 146 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: map where they miscalculated everything. You can even see a 147 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: sketch about blunder Um, which depicts the the structure we 148 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: talked about earlier. I don't know if we talked about 149 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: some of the features of the fort outside of the 150 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: gun turrets or whatever, the little windows um, but it 151 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: did at one point stand ford eight feet high. The 152 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: western facing wall was known as the Gorge, and that 153 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: was adjacent to a giant called that's something called a 154 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: cover face or an earthen bank, and that was created 155 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: as a defensive aid for land attacks, and then it 156 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: had a moat. I didn't realize that I mean, it's 157 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: very much like old school kind of castle type features. Right. 158 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: It had a moat which was referred to as a 159 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: wet ditch, which was filled with lake water. These days 160 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: it is not it is not looking so hot. It 161 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: is quite worse for wear because a lot of local 162 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, kids and ruffians and biker gangs, you know, 163 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: have just tagged it all up. It is actually for 164 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: sale if you're in the market. Um. In the nine twenties, 165 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: the US sold Fort Montgomery at an auction, and then 166 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three Victor Pod, who was a shipping 167 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: magnate from mont Real, that's when he bought it, uh, 168 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: and he offered part of the property to New York 169 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: State as a historic preservation site, but New York did 170 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: not want it. Then Pod died in ninety nine and 171 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: his sons inherited the fort and tried to sell it 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: on eBay and actually got one valid bid for five 173 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: million bucks, but it fell through. Still for sale, I 174 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: believe the current asking price is around a million bucks. 175 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: That's a lot of depreciation, really is some five point 176 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: five three whatever, just sixty nine. That's worse than like 177 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: dealership depreciation when you drive the car off the lot, 178 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, one million, not even a million. Ah, yes, 179 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: So from five point five million dollars and sixty nine 180 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: sins to just under a million dollars, that's boat level depreciation. 181 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully a lesson learned. There's a great 182 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: Atlas Obscure article about the current situation, and Fort Montgomery 183 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: is encountering, which just says for sale and abandoned decay 184 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: fort on a private island. It says decaying. Huh, and 185 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: it is. You can see some great pictures. It's overgrown, 186 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: there's graffiti all over it. There probably you know, syringes. 187 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: You know, they would have gone in there and guss 188 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: eat it up a little bit like they did for 189 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: real estate photos. You know, they're really not trying to 190 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: upsell this thing, are they been? No, No, they're not 191 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: really because the problem here is one of infrastructure, right, 192 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: and it's still on the National Register of Historic Places. 193 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: But every okay, everybody knows that it needs to be saved, 194 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: but nobody's willing to uh pony up the scratch and cheddar, 195 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: the itchy cheddar to uh to support it. For instance, 196 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: the Preservation League of New York State included this fort 197 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: on its seven to Save list in two thousand and nine, 198 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: a roundup of at risk historic sites that need help, 199 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: and according to Katie Peace, the communications director of the 200 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: Preservation League of New York State, there are no current 201 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: plans to rehabilitate the site. Uh it joins the ranks 202 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: of other historical places and objects of significance, like the 203 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: gunboat Spitfire, which was part of the American fleet that 204 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: contributed to the Saratoga Victory in seventeen seventies seven, or 205 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: the John van Houston House, which looks worse for wear, 206 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: but is a early eighteenth century example of Dutch settlement 207 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: along the Hudson, the plum Bronson House, which is also 208 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: just rapidly deteriorating, and the Magdalen Island, which has an 209 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: ancient past as a stopping place for Native American populations 210 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: or First Nations and Europeans who came later, the historic 211 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: South Street Seaport, the Burden Iron Works Museum. Those are 212 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: the seven, but there are many, many more, And when 213 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: you look around, whether it's in the US or in 214 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: other countries, I'm sure there's no shortage of decaying pieces 215 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: of history that should be preserved. Like have you ever 216 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: driven through Tennessee. Yeah, a little bit, but not not 217 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: not not a ton. Give me the scoop Tennessee is uh. 218 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: There must be some government program. I can say this 219 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: because I have family there. There must be some government 220 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: program to make sure that everybody has at least one 221 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: to two decaying barns in their fields. And you can 222 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: even see them when you just drive on the interstate. 223 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: But I'm always baffled by that, you know what I mean, 224 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: because these barns are in use, but they're ready for 225 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: one match to make them. That's very similar to driving 226 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: into some of the rural roads in UH in Georgia, 227 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: like between Atlanta and Athens, for example, or Augusta and Athens. 228 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: Lots of big open fields with just a single ramshackled 229 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: barn in the middle UH. And it looks like it's 230 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: leaning kind of at a canted angle, like it could 231 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: fall down with just a light breath of wind. Wire 232 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: grass country, especially if you drive. This is an example 233 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: for people who don't know how big this state is, 234 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: especially driving from Atlanta to Savannah down on Georgia's small 235 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: Atlantic coast. Have you made that drive? I have. It's 236 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: been a minute them that's a long one. It's a 237 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: long one, and it's not a particularly exciting one for 238 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: some people. But it's what how long is it? It's 239 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: ours from here to Savannah? From Atlanta, I believe it's 240 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: about six hours. Six hours, Yeah, six long hours, full 241 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: of full of history, and full of things that look 242 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: the worse for where you know. It reminds me whenever 243 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: I travel somewhere, whether for work or weather for personal reasons, 244 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I always try to find a local museum or an 245 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: historic site. In Texas, recently, super producer Paul Michigan Control 246 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: Decan and I visited the Alum. Oh and hey, check 247 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: this out, man, I got something for you. Ben is 248 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: now rummaging through his bag of tricks. Um, okay, here 249 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: you go. I couldn't bring you the actual Alumo, but 250 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: I found that found a little thing. It's a pamphlet. 251 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: It's a handbill for the Alamo. Yeah, it absolutely is. Ben, 252 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: give me the rundown of the Alumo as I so. 253 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: So the thing that I think startled both Paul and myself. 254 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: It was And Paul, tell me if I get this wrong, 255 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: is that when we went to the actual Alumo uh 256 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: and and went inside, it's free to attend by the way. 257 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: Everything was under restoration or construction work, and there were 258 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: there were entire pieces of the building that needed to 259 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: be saved right uh, that were off limits, and we 260 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: we didn't get to do a lot of the fun stuff. 261 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: There's a re enactor who will built you in a 262 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: card game. We missed that. It was early in the morning. 263 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: But I'm a huge I'm a huge fan of that stuff, 264 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: and I hope that I hope that we can as 265 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: a species do our best to preserve the physical traces 266 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: of those who came before us, whether that is a 267 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: military fort, a vessel of note. Um, I don't know. 268 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I see are there's a pretty big footprint for the 269 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: gift shop here, Ben. Was it spectacular? Was it an 270 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: above average gift shop? It was? You know it was? 271 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: It was. It was interesting. It was interesting. I I 272 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: did not personally pick up any gifts. I was there. 273 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: I was there for this story. But they have all 274 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, Texas branded stuff, shot glasses, ashtrays, replica guns. Now, No, 275 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: not this time. If if they were giving out actual 276 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: pieces of the ALUMO might probably pick one up, but 277 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: that would maybe defeat their purposes. But you know what, 278 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: my friend, if ever I find myself on Fort Montgomery 279 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: or Fort Blunder. I will pick up some pieces of 280 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: history for us. Well, that's what we do here on 281 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History band wee. We pick up the pieces of history. 282 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: We put them back together like a veritable Rubik's cube. 283 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: And this ends our episode. But not it's time, gentleman, 284 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland a k. The quister Jon Strickland Quition. It's 285 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: gonna be back. Guys. You've got a lot of nerve 286 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: my friends. I sure do. Just in general, let's let's 287 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: just let's just let's just establish this just for a 288 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: moment though. Gentlemen, you're in my playground now because they're 289 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: not in your normal studio. You're in my studio. That's true, 290 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: that's true. We are we so we have a number 291 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: of studios here at h Q, and Jonathan, this is 292 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: uh of the studios where you spend a lot of 293 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: time recording. Uh let's see tech stuff. That's that's right. Yes, 294 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: in your studio, I record the brink, But in my 295 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: studio I record tex stuff. Yes. And uh, you know, 296 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: I gotta say I love what you've done with the place. Thanks, 297 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: thanks you you're enjoying my butt groove right now, you're 298 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: in my chair. I'm in your chair. That's the chair 299 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: I sit in. Oh that's right, Yeah, I didn't think that. 300 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: Are we cool? Do you want to switch chairs? I'm 301 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: fine with that. If we switch chairs, then you can 302 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: see whether or not the thing I'm about to tell you, 303 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: if it's true or false. That's You're just I'll just 304 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: stay here. You're here for a reason. And the most 305 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: cringe worthy segment in all the podcasting where I present 306 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: a scenario to the two hosts of Ridiculous History and 307 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: they determine whether or not I made it up or 308 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: if it's a real one. And I understand we were 309 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: talking about things about boarders and mistakes, about placing things 310 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: places where you may not actually own them, so this 311 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: is a somewhat related to that. But on the other 312 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: side of the United States of America, the southern side. 313 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Have you ever wondered why Florida has a panhandle that 314 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: seems to cut off the bottom of the state of 315 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Alabama all the time, constantly keeps up. We'll have a 316 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: scenario for you. You will have three minutes to decide 317 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: whether or not in fact it's true or false. And 318 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: of course we always have an arbitrary rule, and I 319 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: didn't come up with one beforehand. So if you're going 320 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: to ask me a question, before you can ask you, you 321 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: you have to yell spring break rules and then you 322 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: can ask a question. Deal because it has to do 323 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: with Florida and Alabama. All right, here we go. It's 324 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: because of a really bad map and some quote unquote surveyors. 325 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: After winning or purchasing territories from England, Spain, and France, 326 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: the American government got down to the business of establishing 327 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: states in the early eighteen hundreds. Originally, the Colony of 328 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: Georgia stretched much further to the west, but it was 329 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: decided that part of that land would be created into 330 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: the state of Alabama. The Chattahoochee River would serve as 331 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: a border month much of the state line and would 332 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: go all the way south, and a team of cartographers 333 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: determined that the Gulf Coast of what would have been 334 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Alabama fell on the thirty one degree latitude line. Here's 335 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: the problem. The actual latitude line for the Gulf Coast 336 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: is thirty degrees, which meant that the map actually ended 337 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: much further north than the Gulf coast. But that's how 338 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: it was written down, and because that's how it was 339 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: written down in official documents, that's where the end of 340 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: Alabama would be. And because of that error, Alabama does 341 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: not have a Gulf coast that stretches across its entire 342 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: width instead of just has Mobile Bay begin Yes, Mr Brown, well, 343 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: I've got a run to the timer. It's in the 344 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: other studio. Hang on here, we're good, all right, we'll 345 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: just take about five seconds off that. All right? But yes, 346 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: is this is there anything to do with the band 347 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: Florida Georgia line. It certainly has not, as far as 348 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: they know, and thank the heavens, has nothing to do 349 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: with that band rules Yes, Mr boh so quister, what 350 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: you said it was the thirty a matter of confusing 351 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: THET and the thirty first. Yes, latitude, yes, okay uh? 352 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: And what year did this happen? It would have been 353 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: the early eight hundreds. It's before Alabama was officially declared 354 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: a state, which was I think I have this written down. 355 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: It's eighty. Hey, you're you're eating our time. I know. 356 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I have the facts written down, but I 357 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't have it. Listen, I'm really much stronger in English 358 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: history than American history. Yes, but it was in the 359 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: early eighteen It was before before Alabama was made a state, 360 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: and certainly much before Florida Florida. I know it was 361 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: eighteen forty five, which was much later. Okay, Uh, you 362 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 1: got anything else? I feel like I feel like this 363 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: is true. I think it's probably true as well. Ben, 364 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: we'll lock it in. Let's lock it three to one. 365 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: Hellack true. It's so not true. It's it's like winning 366 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: doesn't even mean anything anymore. It's you're making me face 367 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: an existential crisis here, gentlemen, did you ever consider that 368 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that's exactly our to keep playing the game anyway. 369 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: All well, let me tell you exactly what did happen though, 370 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: just to give you the real story, because it's actually 371 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: fascinating why there's a panhandle. So we have to keep 372 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: in mind there were four major players involved. We have England, 373 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: we have France, we have Spain. We have America. Now, 374 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: before the American Revolution, you had England with the colonies 375 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: that would become the United States of America. You had 376 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: Spain that owned uh, Florida, and that went as far 377 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: it could have gone as far west as the Mississippi. 378 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: You had France that owned the Louisiana Territory that was 379 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: much of the midwest and the south of what would 380 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: become the United States of America. Now, France and Spain 381 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: were sort of in disagreement of where that border was 382 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: along the southern edge the Gulf Coast, and they eventually 383 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: decided that Perdido River was the unofficial border, which is 384 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: between Mobile Bay and Pensacola, Florida. And so they decided 385 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: that was the boy. But then a whole bunch of 386 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: different stuff happened. England won the Seven Years War. They 387 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: took over Florida from Spain. Then Spain gave the Louisiana 388 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: territory to or France gave the Louisiana Tory tory territory 389 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: to Spain. This is what happens when I do the 390 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: Renaissance Festival three days in a row. I can't talk 391 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: straight anymore. So Spain now has the Louisiana territory. England 392 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: now has Florida. England extends the Florida border all the 393 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: way out to the Mississippi. So now the Florida's panhandle 394 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: reaches much further to the west. Right all, right, Then 395 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: America is revolting. You could argue frequently throughout its history, 396 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: but it ends up winning the Revolutionary War. England loses, 397 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: Florida goes back to Spain. So now Spain owns Florida, 398 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: but now the border goes all the way to the Mississippi. 399 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: Spain gives the Louisiana territory back to France, which then 400 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: turns around and sells it to the Americans. This would 401 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: be really helpful with a white board. Well, here's or 402 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: a lot of red string. So so here's what the 403 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: Americans do. They say, well, we're buying the Louisiana territory, 404 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: but what we're going to do is we're going to 405 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: refer to Louisiana tory tory back when this map was 406 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: drawn where the Perdido River was the border. So they 407 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: essentially tell Spain, oh, no, we bought the Louisiana territory 408 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: from like three times before. Spain said uh no, And 409 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: then America sent a bunch of troops down to the 410 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: Gulf coast and Spain said all right, fine, And then 411 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: a few years later Spain ends up surrendering Florida to 412 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: the United States. And that is why Florida has a 413 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: panhandle and Alabama has a very limited Gulf coast. Well said, 414 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: Well said, you know, I've always It's fascinating because I 415 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: think where I got I got tripped up is as 416 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: soon as you were talking about the original size of 417 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: the colony of Georgia. I know part of that is true, 418 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: that's true, but I probably should have listened better. The 419 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: first part, that's true. The rest of it's gonna be right. 420 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: I should probably not treat these very important questions the 421 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: way I treat group emails to every or any conversation 422 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: with me. Honestly, that's not true. No, I listened pretty 423 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: pretty in depth. You know, I'm calling I have my 424 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of the Jonathan Strickland aspect of 425 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: your life. By the way, congratulations on wrapping up the 426 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: Renaissance Festival. Thank you, thank you. I I think it 427 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: added about five years to the age that I already am, 428 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: or perhaps you could say subtracted them from the end 429 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: of my life. Either. It gets you right around the 430 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: age you were supposed to be for your character, though, 431 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: because that's what the right around the age was when 432 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: he died. Yes, Well takes some takes some vitamins. Uh, 433 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: Look you I have unfortunate news you can't die yet, Nolan, 434 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: I and all our friends listening at home need to 435 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: at least get a little bit out of the hole, right, Yes, 436 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know how any ahead now, all right, 437 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: but that's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I was actually 438 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: going to give you the true one originally, and then 439 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: I thought, well, this one's is so convoluted, but it's 440 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: obviously true. Yeah, And we've been we've been exploring and 441 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: all I think you said this at the top. We've 442 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: been exploring a lot of stuff about boundaries and borders recently. 443 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: So this this was an excellent question, and you know, 444 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: one of these days we're going to get one right. Well. 445 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: It's also it also really illustrates how how this is 446 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: a sticky, sticky situation, even when you're looking at borders 447 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: between two areas in the same country. There's there's other 448 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: stories about states that have had border disputes that had 449 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: to be settled by Congress when they were actually establishing 450 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: the states. Yeah, like the Ohio and Michigan exactly, Like 451 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: like Hio, Michigan and that that little thin sliver who 452 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: owns that yes, yes, who owns Toledo. So thank you 453 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show, Jonathan without giving spoilers, 454 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: because you've got a lot of irons in the fire 455 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: right now, Where can people visit to learn more about you, 456 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: your work and your shows. Not certainly. You can go 457 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: to tech stuff podcast dot com to look at the 458 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: more than one thousand episodes of tech stuff recorded over 459 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: the last eleven years. Is that recent one thousand? It's 460 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: one tho I'm almost up to now, okay, because I remember, 461 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: yes that I I hit a thousand last year. That's right, 462 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: actually because two years ago. But yes, it's a uh. 463 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: We've been doing a lot of interesting work, especially around 464 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence and ethics and things of that nature. Not 465 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: very historically oriented, but I would recommend if you have 466 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: any interest in the ethics of technology. Yeah, there's been 467 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: quite a few episodes about that recently, fantastic and I 468 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: ignore all of that when I come on here. Great, great, 469 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: keep keep your characters like that off offspring song right 470 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: comes up a rate exactly, but hey, hey, don't pay 471 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: no mind. As we were saying earlier, this is the 472 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: end of the episode but not the show, and the 473 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: conversation continues. We want to hear your thoughts. You can 474 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: find us all on Instagram, Facebook, and uh not Twitch, 475 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing you did. But Twitter, which is 476 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: a different thing that sounds similar. Twitter is my new 477 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: platform that I'm starting. I like Twitter paint. It's sort 478 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: of a Twitch Twitter hybrid exactly that. Yes, I think 479 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: I have a physical tick that will make me an 480 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: ideal influencer on Twitter. You can get it on the 481 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: ground floor. Excellent. I like Thither, it's the startup I have. 482 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Uh that's it overlays your favorite GPS devices and gives 483 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: you driving instructions in old English. So it's it's a 484 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: great Frank gift for your friends. Oh you was supposed 485 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 1: to go Thither, but you turned you on a pox 486 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: on your house. So you can find out more about 487 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: our our brilliant world changing startups on our Facebook page, 488 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians, where you can meet our favorite part of 489 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: the show, your fellow listeners. You can also follow our 490 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: individual uh misadventures and Shenanigan re on Instagram. I'm at 491 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: Ben Bolan, I am at how Now, Noel Brown, I'm 492 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: at John Strickland with her without an got it. He 493 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: used to be at no H but it's weird, just exactly. 494 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: No one knew, what the what the l what's going on? Oh? Okay, yeah, yeah, no, 495 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's it's been a long day. Big 496 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: thanks to our guest super producer Paul Mission Controlled deck It, 497 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: who has been chilling with us all afternoon and it 498 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: is probably uh what do you think? No, I think 499 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: he's tired of this yet. You know, he looks okay, 500 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't like too cranky. He's got a little wry 501 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: smile on his face. I think it always looks great. 502 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: I think it was tired of you before you came 503 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: in here. Actually, if he has been working with you 504 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: guys for a really long time, right right, Well, thank 505 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: you either way, Paul. Also thank you to super producer 506 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: Casey La Bush Pegram wherever he may roam. Big thanks 507 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: to Alex Williams who can post our theme. And thanks 508 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: to a friend of the show, Christopher Hasiotis Thinks as 509 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: always to Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The Whister, Thanks 510 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: to our research associate Gabe and Hey No, thanks to 511 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: you man, safe travels and to you as well. We'll 512 00:32:42,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: see you next time, folks. M For more podcasts from 513 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app Apple 514 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: Podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.