Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no. So we ended the last episode
Speaker 1: where I was like, wow, you're such a great writer.
Speaker 1: That was so good. And then you come in and
Speaker 1: then you do that fucking ship what well, so you
Speaker 1: you you may not understand this because of your your
Speaker 1: your womanliness, but I was embodying the archetype of the
Speaker 1: magician wild man. I don't know, you're fired. That's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Well I have started drinking, um m M.
Speaker 1: I got a nice glass of port Rude talisker here, um.
Speaker 1: And I want to start this episode by getting a
Speaker 1: shout out to a friend of the pod, former mayor
Speaker 1: of the City of Portland, Sam Adams. Now y'all may
Speaker 1: not know Sam. I think he was briefly on the
Speaker 1: show Portlandia, but he was fired from being the mayor
Speaker 1: because he had a set true relationship with a teenage staffer. Um.
Speaker 1: And then got rehired by current Mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler,
Speaker 1: who's a giant piece of ship, to be the mayor's
Speaker 1: body man basically um. And then this week Sam announced
Speaker 1: that he was retiring because he had an iron deficiency.
Speaker 1: And then Ted Wheeler told everyone though he's retiring it
Speaker 1: because he wouldn't stop threatening and bullying women in the office.
Speaker 1: Both of you guys suck and it's very funny that's happened. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: I gotta say shout out to Sam Adams honestly, going
Speaker 1: from sexually harassing teenager too being a bully to adult women.
Speaker 1: That's a step forward. Um. Okay, disagree, Sophie, You're fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. One of the two things isn't a
Speaker 1: sex crime. So that's a real, real person growth for
Speaker 1: a former mayor of Portland's Sam Adams. Um. Anyway, Ted Wheeler,
Speaker 1: what the fun is? Great great hiring. Look, honestly, fox
Speaker 1: Sam Adams, he's a piece of ship. But incredible hiring
Speaker 1: decision from Ted Wheeler. Yeah, let's get the guy in
Speaker 1: here who had sex with a seventeen year old stafford.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get him back in city hall. We really
Speaker 1: need his insights. Um, great, great work. It really shocked
Speaker 1: about you know how how well liked he is in
Speaker 1: the City of Portland. Yeah he I mean he's not.
Speaker 1: But you can let him know how you feel about
Speaker 1: his decision to hire and then fire Sam Adams at
Speaker 1: at Ted Wheeler on Twitter when he got the tear
Speaker 1: gas thrown on him. I do remember that. So I
Speaker 1: started talking about Ted Wheeler and sad Sam Adams because
Speaker 1: they're both toxic men. And today we are finally getting
Speaker 1: into the direct personal story of one of the most
Speaker 1: toxic men of all time, Emery Andrew Tate the third.
Speaker 1: That's quite a name. That's quite a name. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: Emrie Andrew tap the third was born in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: On December one, nineteen eight six. Now that fancy name
Speaker 1: might lead you to think that he came from some
Speaker 1: like British ash British British ass uh noble family or
Speaker 1: some ship that sounds like a duke's name to me, um,
Speaker 1: but very formal. It sounds like he is not um. Now,
Speaker 1: most of the texture that we get on his childhood
Speaker 1: comes from Andrew himself, which is not ideal because he
Speaker 1: is a liar um. But there's just not a lot
Speaker 1: of other Again, I haven't found no one's done like
Speaker 1: a critical biography. There's not like a big, long New
Speaker 1: Yorker piece that really delves into his back story. So
Speaker 1: I kind of had to do that myself to the
Speaker 1: best extent that I could do. Now I did find one,
Speaker 1: and this is Honestly, the only texture you get on
Speaker 1: his childhood that I have come across is from an
Speaker 1: article he wrote for a web site for kickboxing that
Speaker 1: sells kickboxing gear um and the title of it is
Speaker 1: the Life of Andrew King Kobra Tate. So again, this
Speaker 1: is not a credible source. But the way in which
Speaker 1: he writes about his childhood and what he wants you
Speaker 1: to believe about it does tell you a lot about
Speaker 1: the man. So we're still going to be covering it.
Speaker 1: But do not take this this literal truth that that
Speaker 1: should be obvious. Here's how he talks about his birth.
Speaker 1: I was born in Washington, d C. At Walter Reed
Speaker 1: Army Hospital early one morning, December one. The doctor wanted
Speaker 1: to award me a perfect ten on the birth scale,
Speaker 1: but settled on nine point five already already. That's the
Speaker 1: saddest thing anyone has ever bragged. That's so pathetic, absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's on somebody's fucking like dating profile
Speaker 1: for sure, two weeks overdue. But I was a nose.
Speaker 1: I was nose breathing already as the doctor held me
Speaker 1: upside down by my heels, and my right fist was
Speaker 1: in side of my mouth as I suckled. The doctor
Speaker 1: pinched my thigh to get a response, and I growled,
Speaker 1: knitting my brow and trying to crane my head up
Speaker 1: to see who had attacked me. The doctor paled, shocked
Speaker 1: at my defensive powers. I did not cry. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hate this. That's so funny though, bragging about how
Speaker 1: tough you were is a baby as a baby, like unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And I was re reading what you what you just said,
Speaker 1: and it's I'm gonna tell you all right now, because again,
Speaker 1: everything I found just kind of glosses over his his childhood,
Speaker 1: because we don't have a lot of like like detailed,
Speaker 1: like somebody hasn't gone through, like interviewed a shipload of
Speaker 1: people that he knew was a little kid. And it right,
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened yet. I'm sure it will um And
Speaker 1: I was thinking, we're just gonna have to brush over
Speaker 1: his childhood. And then I found this article he wrote
Speaker 1: about himself on a kickboxing website and it it made
Speaker 1: my week. It made my week. It's so funny about
Speaker 1: your own birth, like you did fucking anything. So if
Speaker 1: you're curious about Andrew's parentage, his mother Eileen h is
Speaker 1: indeed English's ship um, and she's a white lady. She
Speaker 1: worked as a catering assistant. His father is Emrie Tate Junr.
Speaker 1: Um and Emory what was Emory Tate Junior? Emory Tate Jr.
Speaker 1: Was a Black American man and a Chicago chess prodigy. Actually,
Speaker 1: up until a year or two ago, Emory Tate was
Speaker 1: much more famous than Andrew Tate. Um. We actually had
Speaker 1: in in our work chat. Mia was shocked to learn
Speaker 1: that Andrew Tate was Emrie Tate's son. Um. I had
Speaker 1: not heard of this guy. But I don't care for chess,
Speaker 1: um or for yeah chess. Yeah. The Washington Post describes
Speaker 1: Emory Tate Jr. As a trailblazer for black chess players.
Speaker 1: He was like one of the first. I don't know,
Speaker 1: he may have been like the first, like soup, we're famous,
Speaker 1: really well known, like black professional chess players. Um. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't understand chess. I don't understand why you would
Speaker 1: play a war game that doesn't include orcs. But a
Speaker 1: lot of people who love chess say that he was
Speaker 1: one of the most fun players to watch. I did
Speaker 1: read a lot of like writing, like fans and like
Speaker 1: read it and stuff talking about Emory Tate, and one
Speaker 1: thing they also to agree on is he was just
Speaker 1: super entertaining. Twitch you why does when you type in
Speaker 1: Emery Tate into Google, why does the first suggested thing
Speaker 1: come up as CIA? What I typed Emory Tate into
Speaker 1: Google and the first thing that auto fills is c
Speaker 1: I A m hmm, it was Andrew says that he
Speaker 1: was in the c I that was happening. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: So he was in the Air Force as a sergeant
Speaker 1: and he served as a linguished linguist. Um. There's not
Speaker 1: actually hard evidence that he was in the CIA that
Speaker 1: I have seen, Like this is based on again, Andrew
Speaker 1: is kind of when we're about to get into this,
Speaker 1: he's really plumping his dad's reputation to make him into
Speaker 1: like not just a chess guy, but a bad as
Speaker 1: may or may not somebody. I have not seen any
Speaker 1: independent confirmation that he worked in the CIA. Maybe he
Speaker 1: did a lot of guys in that period who like
Speaker 1: did some sort of like weird work where they would
Speaker 1: have just been listed as a State department employee. So
Speaker 1: it's not impossible, but I have not come across confirmation
Speaker 1: that he was in the CIA um so the Washington
Speaker 1: Post and most sources who write about Andrew's dad will
Speaker 1: call him a grand master at chess. This is not
Speaker 1: entirely true he was. I mean, this is not true.
Speaker 1: He was an international master, which is a lesser rank.
Speaker 1: He never quite made it to grand master. I found
Speaker 1: again chess discussions online by nerds about chess who will
Speaker 1: say that he didn't make it to grand master um
Speaker 1: mainly because he wasn't able. He wasn't willing to do
Speaker 1: like certain things that you have to do to do that.
Speaker 1: But he was. He had a really good record. He
Speaker 1: regularly beat grandmasters. Some people say he was as good
Speaker 1: at Bobby Fisher. Again, I have no way to evaluate
Speaker 1: any of this, taking a big anti chest chess approach
Speaker 1: here again, there's no there's no battle tanks and chess.
Speaker 1: There's no Titans with chainsaw hands. The ultimate game of
Speaker 1: strategy is still Warhammer forty thousand. I think we can
Speaker 1: all agree on that. Yes, of course it's been true
Speaker 1: for generations. Um. But anyway, Emory Tate great at chess,
Speaker 1: um at chess his story and wrote a book about him,
Speaker 1: which gives us some idea as to where Andrew Tape
Speaker 1: got his sense of style and personal branding. The title
Speaker 1: was triple exclam with three exclamation points. The Life and
Speaker 1: Games of Emory Tate Chess Warrior Um, which is kind
Speaker 1: of fun um. I think he literally died at the
Speaker 1: table in two thousand fifteen playing a game of chess
Speaker 1: like this man, This motherfucker loved jess Um. He wears
Speaker 1: a white fedora with a gold band on the cover,
Speaker 1: which also gives you a little bit of insight into
Speaker 1: where Andrew Tate gets some of his taste in style. Um.
Speaker 1: And Andrew idolizes his father, and he does it particularly.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend to know the man's emotional state,
Speaker 1: but in his public writing he particularly celebrates his dad.
Speaker 1: And that kickboxing website article, Andrew Tate noted this about
Speaker 1: the male side of his family background. My grandfather, Emrie A.
Speaker 1: Tate Esquire, fought in World War Two before becoming a
Speaker 1: lawyer in Chicago, doing racially charged times as a black man.
Speaker 1: That shaped his worldview, and he was very strict, very hard. Indeed,
Speaker 1: as a boy, he pushed a plow with mule through
Speaker 1: the hard clay dirt of Georgia, forced to work on
Speaker 1: the farm. At age twelve, he pushed a plow that
Speaker 1: only grown men normally handled. Then he ran away, never
Speaker 1: to return to the farm. He did some bare knuckled
Speaker 1: fist bites as a young man, and distinguish himself hand
Speaker 1: to hand during the war years. And again I'm sure
Speaker 1: parts of that are true. Everything about his dad and
Speaker 1: his grandpa always veeers into how good a word hand
Speaker 1: to hand combat, and there is no evidence of this. Um.
Speaker 1: Like the stuff about working on a farm, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that seems plausible. The stuff about how we fought the
Speaker 1: Nazis hand to hand. I don't know, maybe, but that
Speaker 1: actually happened often. That just gives me, like, my dad
Speaker 1: can beat up your dad vibes like it sounds like
Speaker 1: something like a kid would say about his own birth.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, you don't have to lie about
Speaker 1: him fist fighting Nazis. It's okay if he just shot them.
Speaker 1: A lot of dudes did and that was rat Like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be great at punching just because
Speaker 1: you grew up to punch people for a living. That's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird thing to focus on Andrew, Um,
Speaker 1: But he loves talking about how good. His dad and
Speaker 1: Grandpa were at fighting. Um quote. His son, my dad,
Speaker 1: Emrie A. Tate Jr. Was a young athlete, learning wrestling
Speaker 1: in school and developing the early forms of take shinkai
Speaker 1: strikes as a youth, which I guess is his own
Speaker 1: martial arts thing. His job in the Middle Terry for
Speaker 1: eleven years took him on many adventures, and little is
Speaker 1: known for sure except that my dad never loses. He
Speaker 1: is my role modeling when he in many ways, even
Speaker 1: as I write poetry like he does. So. I mean also,
Speaker 1: I think his dad would have been in the military.
Speaker 1: Let me let me double check here, Uh yeah, during Vietnam,
Speaker 1: which would mean that he did, in fact lose. Um
Speaker 1: So sorry Andrew, But um I I don't want to
Speaker 1: be mean to Emery take because well this is a
Speaker 1: little bit his fault. Um So. Yeah. The closest thing
Speaker 1: that Andrew has written or said that comes close to
Speaker 1: being emotionally impactful at all is when he writes about
Speaker 1: his father. I will give him that he writes with
Speaker 1: like some amount of actual um sincerity about his feelings
Speaker 1: towards his dad, And I'm gonna give you an example
Speaker 1: of that now. I never learned to cry for attention.
Speaker 1: I only used grunts to indicate hunger or discomfort, but
Speaker 1: mostly I was silent. I had a large new crib,
Speaker 1: but most every night I spent a sleep on my
Speaker 1: dad's chest. He would place me there and sleep still,
Speaker 1: never moving in the night, and our heartbeats were and
Speaker 1: are as one. I just could like, yeah, just too
Speaker 1: angry to now. Bits like this do contrast with passages
Speaker 1: where Andrew will relate stories about his dad that sound
Speaker 1: kind of abusive. Quote. I learned to defend myself soon
Speaker 1: after I could walk, long before my first punch into
Speaker 1: a pillow. I learned to balance, how to step backward
Speaker 1: after being pushed gently in the chest. Dad made a
Speaker 1: game of it, a game which ended with a savage
Speaker 1: shove across the living room, sending me into a dramatic
Speaker 1: back pedal. I stopped myself with my head one inch
Speaker 1: from cracking into the far wall. That was the final test.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like your dad was just shoving you
Speaker 1: because he was pissed, Andrew. That kind of sounds not great.
Speaker 1: Do you need to talk about this, man? Yeah? No talking,
Speaker 1: just yeah, just I mean, look, if I was going
Speaker 1: to raise a child, I will I'd be lying if
Speaker 1: I said that the shoving method didn't hold some appeal,
Speaker 1: because I do a lot of other things by shoving.
Speaker 1: It's how I moved my furniture, it's how I record podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm shoving a walking desk around the room right now.
Speaker 1: We actually Daniel spends like thirteen hours a week editing
Speaker 1: that out before we can even get the audio off
Speaker 1: off to Chris, um, that's most of his job. It's
Speaker 1: it's really um, it's a good part of our work.
Speaker 1: And remind me to tell you about the time when
Speaker 1: Robert got a foot massager and he refused to not
Speaker 1: use it while recording, and it would go directly into
Speaker 1: the mic and like, there's no there's no hazard. Pay
Speaker 1: that's enough, truly, don't take it. I'm sorry. And that
Speaker 1: was my fault for bringing it up. That was your
Speaker 1: fault for bringing it up. But more importantly not my fault,
Speaker 1: because nothing is speaking of toxic masculinity. Let's get back
Speaker 1: to Andrew Tates cool So. Andrew was raised initially in
Speaker 1: the DC area and then Indiana, uh and he seemed
Speaker 1: to want to follow in his father's footsteps. He started
Speaker 1: playing chess at age three. He started competing at five,
Speaker 1: and he eventually competed in adult tournaments while still a child.
Speaker 1: And this is where we get the very first news
Speaker 1: article on Andrew Tate, who at that point was referred
Speaker 1: to as e Marie A. Tate. It is a local
Speaker 1: news piece, and this is the first like objective ish
Speaker 1: piece of journalism that like, it's not just like him
Speaker 1: writing about his background. Um. And it's really the only
Speaker 1: insight we get into his childhood that doesn't come directly
Speaker 1: from a Tate. UM. It's again a local news piece.
Speaker 1: The news in his town, which is like South Bend,
Speaker 1: was talking about the release there was a movie coming
Speaker 1: out about Bobby Fisher, who I guess was good at chess, UM,
Speaker 1: and so they were writing about that, and they wanted
Speaker 1: a human interest piece, so they talked about young Andrew Tate,
Speaker 1: who was six when they wrote this article. UM. He
Speaker 1: had started a chess club in South Bend with some
Speaker 1: other kids, and he had taught them chess because he
Speaker 1: wanted people to play against. It includes the article a
Speaker 1: couple of quotes that are interesting. Every kid wanted wants
Speaker 1: to be like his dad, the elder Tate said, but
Speaker 1: father had recently limited sons playing time encouraging other activities.
Speaker 1: I don't think that a kid his age should spend
Speaker 1: so much time playing chess. As a parent, I'd like
Speaker 1: to see him become a top level player, but I
Speaker 1: realized there's so much more to life than just chess.
Speaker 1: He learned how to swim this summer, and he plays
Speaker 1: with his friends and stuff like that. Andrew, however, says
Speaker 1: he plays because he's bored all the time. Most of
Speaker 1: the time, I am bored, and that's the only thing
Speaker 1: I want to do most So Yeah, interesting, there's some
Speaker 1: insight into the actual kid there. Um, that is a
Speaker 1: response I understand from a kid like I am bored
Speaker 1: all the time. This is the only thing that I like.
Speaker 1: It Also, you know, gives you a little bit of
Speaker 1: a look into like there's For whatever reason, one of
Speaker 1: the things I take with him this article is that
Speaker 1: Emory Tit didn't want his son to follow him as
Speaker 1: a chess guy. It might have been some insecurity about
Speaker 1: not wanting his kid to be better than him, or
Speaker 1: it may have just been understandably, like, you know, I
Speaker 1: never made a lot of money playing chess. I want
Speaker 1: you to do something else with your life. I don't
Speaker 1: want you to like be locked into this thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's some interesting questions that answers or asks.
Speaker 1: The author of this article notes that Andrew had just
Speaker 1: competed in his first adult chess tournament where he had
Speaker 1: and again Andrews later on, when he starts putting out
Speaker 1: propaganda trying to make him do a badass will point
Speaker 1: out that, like at age six, he was playing in
Speaker 1: adult chess tournaments, he did lose three out of five games, um,
Speaker 1: and his dad eventually had to pull him out of
Speaker 1: the tournament because, quote, he got very upset because he
Speaker 1: thought he was failing. So Emory withdrew his son from
Speaker 1: the game to quote save him from crying in front
Speaker 1: of all those people. And uh, we're not keyed into
Speaker 1: what precisely happened there. Whoa, whoa. I thought he didn't cry.
Speaker 1: Why are we worried about that? It sure seems like
Speaker 1: his dad said he did. Yeah. Fact and again, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess one of two things happened there. Either Andrew
Speaker 1: was just throwing a fit because he was losing, and
Speaker 1: his dad was like, well, you can't be at a
Speaker 1: chess tournament if you're gonna throw a fit when you lose.
Speaker 1: Or Andrew was doing okay and wanted to keep playing,
Speaker 1: and his dad was angry that he was losing and
Speaker 1: didn't want him to keep like risk losing again. Um.
Speaker 1: Even though three to two is not a bad record
Speaker 1: for a six year old playing six either way, we
Speaker 1: don't know which of those is the case. Either possibility
Speaker 1: is interesting to me, UM. Andrew's parents had another boy, Tristan,
Speaker 1: two years after Andrew was born, and the two brothers
Speaker 1: have been inseparable their whole lives. They played chess together,
Speaker 1: but Tristan never competed. Uh. They would later kickbox together,
Speaker 1: but Tristan never competed. He's like always is there, But
Speaker 1: he also doesn't seem to get to live a full
Speaker 1: life because he exists purely in his brother's shadow, as
Speaker 1: like an agent of his greatness. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: weird relationship for Tristan, UM, but I don't think he's
Speaker 1: self aware enough to understand that it's weird. One photo
Speaker 1: in the news are in that news article shows six
Speaker 1: year old Andrew focused in the picture frame, face taking
Speaker 1: up a third of the frame, playing chess. Well, just
Speaker 1: Tristan's hand is visible in the right third, and as
Speaker 1: the brothers grew up, Andrew would consistently stay in focus
Speaker 1: will Tristan would always just sort of be off to
Speaker 1: the side. Is that and that's true to this day,
Speaker 1: right to this day, I have I don't have it
Speaker 1: in the script we could play, there's a very funny
Speaker 1: video of his brother like telling him to go out
Speaker 1: to like film their cars for this video they're doing
Speaker 1: about how nice their life is. And then when his
Speaker 1: brother goes out, Andrew cuts the feed just to be like,
Speaker 1: ha ha, fuck you, this is my show. I don't
Speaker 1: have to like let you do anything if I don't
Speaker 1: want to. And it's like weirdly abusive because they're both
Speaker 1: men who were in their thirties, Like Tristan, you don't
Speaker 1: have to take that. Like. Um, things got harder for
Speaker 1: them after South Bend Um because they their mom and dad.
Speaker 1: It's not a good marriage and they divorce. Um. I
Speaker 1: have found very little to tail about why that divorce happened.
Speaker 1: We can infer though, that it was an extremely painful
Speaker 1: time for Andrew, and this is all he's willing to
Speaker 1: write about it. Dad was working minimum wage jobs over
Speaker 1: time since his military career had been ended. Both mom
Speaker 1: and Dad worked so that we could survive. Things became
Speaker 1: so hard that we decided to go to England and
Speaker 1: try a life there only minus dad. And uh, he's
Speaker 1: not willing to write like, you know, the marriage didn't
Speaker 1: work out or and again we don't know why. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna avoid like theorizing what might have happened there, but
Speaker 1: this is clearly he idolizes his dad and he's taken
Speaker 1: away from him forever basically, um, and obviously mom might
Speaker 1: have had a perfectly good reason for doing that. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be critical. We just actually don't really know. Um,
Speaker 1: but this is definitely like the fact that he's not
Speaker 1: willing to even acknowledge the basics of what happened kind
Speaker 1: of suggests this leaves a pretty profound impact on young Andrew.
Speaker 1: So by age eleven, he was, in his words, man
Speaker 1: of the house, looking after his younger brother and now sister.
Speaker 1: The town in England they live in was called Luton,
Speaker 1: and it is still. I think it's usually pronounced by
Speaker 1: English people Luton, but you know, you know how they are.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we would get an accent this episode,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad we did. Worm from Luton. That's how
Speaker 1: they sound. Um, you know how when I do my
Speaker 1: when I do my accent, should I do my Boston
Speaker 1: accent to get him back on board? Your Boston accents
Speaker 1: really joy even from Boston and Oi, Lloyd Caffey and Shielda. Yeah,
Speaker 1: an Australian person underwater being strangled. Just just Western Australia, Sophie. Anyways, Robert,
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Speaker 1: a caffie bost It's so bad, it's pretty good. It's
Speaker 1: so bad, it's impressive, Like thank you. I feel like
Speaker 1: that takes a lot of skill and control to be
Speaker 1: that bad again. I'll take any kind of praise. I
Speaker 1: don't care. Um, bad attention, good attention, it's all the
Speaker 1: same to me. Welcome to our podcast about toxic masculinity. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we're back. So Luton is um it's not an
Speaker 1: easy place to grow up. It is in fact close to,
Speaker 1: if not the very hardest place to grow up in England. Um.
Speaker 1: It is one of the poorest places in the country.
Speaker 1: It has been repeatedly voted the worst place to live
Speaker 1: in England. UM. I actually found a poll from like
Speaker 1: seven days before I watched the script from the from
Speaker 1: Bedfordshire Live that voted the worst place to live in England.
Speaker 1: It is a tough town, um. Andrew and his family
Speaker 1: have basically no money. They live in public housing and
Speaker 1: they are just barely getting by. We know this for certain,
Speaker 1: Like this is a confirmed fact about his upbringing. Now
Speaker 1: Andrew again definitely acknowledges that they were poor. This is
Speaker 1: actually an important part of his own self mythology. Um.
Speaker 1: But he also makes some claims that we do not
Speaker 1: know for sure or true. He claims he got a
Speaker 1: job as soon as I was old enough, although he
Speaker 1: does not say when that was. Um quote, as soon
Speaker 1: as I was old enough, I got a job moving
Speaker 1: eighty pound boxes of frozen fish into the market at
Speaker 1: five am. Then a full day of school. We cans
Speaker 1: found me at the market stall, where it perfected my
Speaker 1: knife skills, flawlessly fileting fish at blinding speeds. After some time,
Speaker 1: I never cut my hands at all, not even a nick.
Speaker 1: I learned to play drums and yeah, that's that's interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm sure some again, I'm sure pieces of all of
Speaker 1: this are true. I don't know about his knife skills
Speaker 1: or the blinding speed. But I'm sure pieces of this
Speaker 1: are true. UM. Now, Tristan or Andrew interestingly says that
Speaker 1: the only one of them who got into a real
Speaker 1: world fight when they were kids was his brother Tristan.
Speaker 1: Some kid was bullying him and he beat him up. UM.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that story is true or not,
Speaker 1: but it is worth noting that Andrew claims in this article,
Speaker 1: I have never struck a person in anger. Now we
Speaker 1: know that's not true because he has beaten at least
Speaker 1: what like Yeah, we know that's not true. UM. We
Speaker 1: will talk about that later, but this is the claim
Speaker 1: that he is making in this thing that he writes
Speaker 1: in UM. When he was a young adult, he was
Speaker 1: introduced to a kickboxing trainer and he started training, as
Speaker 1: did his brothers soon after. By two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: he was the seventh highest ranked heavyweight kickboxer in Brita,
Speaker 1: and a year later he won his first championship and
Speaker 1: became the number one ranked kickboxer in Europe for his division.
Speaker 1: Two weeks two years later, in two US and twelve,
Speaker 1: he was the second best heavyweight kickboxer on the planet.
Speaker 1: That sounds very impressive. Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean second
Speaker 1: best kickboxer on the planet. That means you can kick
Speaker 1: to death anybody but one guy. Um, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: not what that actually means. So I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: All of the articles about it, we'll just say he
Speaker 1: was the second best had light heavyweight. Sometimes I'll just
Speaker 1: say the second bex kickboxer on the planet. Um. They'll
Speaker 1: talk about his championships and like, list the numbers. I
Speaker 1: was the first draft of this, actually, I just wrote
Speaker 1: that and then moved on and was like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: really good at kickboxing. Um, lots of bad people are
Speaker 1: really good at something. I assumed he was, as like,
Speaker 1: I figured that that was true. I looked at his
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, which says he has like seventy nine wins
Speaker 1: and nine losses and lists his championships, and he did
Speaker 1: win a bunch of what are called world championships. However,
Speaker 1: that's not how box thing works, because I also looked
Speaker 1: up a bunch of discussions of boxing fans analyzing his
Speaker 1: actual performance, and one thing they'll point out is that, well,
Speaker 1: there's not just one guy who's the best in kickboxing.
Speaker 1: Kickboxing is actually an incredibly fragmented sport. And there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of different and I don't know if they
Speaker 1: call him leagues or whatever. There's a bunch of different
Speaker 1: like types of kickboxing championships, and some are more impressive
Speaker 1: than others. Right, Some are people who are really good
Speaker 1: at kickboxing, some are people who are more amateur, and
Speaker 1: Andrew kind of stayed doing the more amateur stuff, and
Speaker 1: he was really good at beating amateur kickboxers. One of
Speaker 1: the critiques people will note who are into kickboxing is
Speaker 1: that the league that he became world heavy or light
Speaker 1: heavyweight champion in only covers Europe. So you guys might
Speaker 1: notice there's a couple of places that are the world
Speaker 1: that aren't Europe that I assume, I assume there's some
Speaker 1: kickboxers in those places, at least one of yeah, at
Speaker 1: least a couple. Um. The other they'll point out is
Speaker 1: that of all of these fights that he had and
Speaker 1: he claims like seventy nine wins, they can only verify
Speaker 1: like forty something fights. Because and this is that may
Speaker 1: not mean that he's lying at it's all of the
Speaker 1: ways that the ship gets reported are weird, right, and
Speaker 1: there's so many different weird leagues and ship he might
Speaker 1: be lying about the total number of wins and games
Speaker 1: he was in, but of the things that we can
Speaker 1: verify only this is something kickboxing fans will point out.
Speaker 1: Only five of his fights are against guys with Wikipedia pages,
Speaker 1: and that based sounds but but it means like guys
Speaker 1: who are notable enough that they have called like are
Speaker 1: good enough at kickboxing. So he lost fights were against
Speaker 1: like nobodies or you know something. Of the notable five
Speaker 1: fights he was in, he lost three of them. Um.
Speaker 1: The allegation kickboxing fans will make is that he mostly
Speaker 1: fought amateurs to pad his record. Now, everyone agrees he's
Speaker 1: still that's still pretty good at kickboxing, but he is
Speaker 1: not the second He was never the second best on
Speaker 1: the planet Earth at kickbox in. Um, that's just simply
Speaker 1: not the case. Um, And I think it's it's fair
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, he's pretty good at kickboxing, he was
Speaker 1: never as good as he claimed. And this is a
Speaker 1: part of the self mythologizing that he engages in kind
Speaker 1: of vastly exaggerating his competency at kicking people a bunch
Speaker 1: with his feet. Um. So yeah, it's also worth noting
Speaker 1: that like the level Tap actually was at did not
Speaker 1: pay terribly well. The per fight amount is impressive. He
Speaker 1: can make between fifty and a hundred thousand dollars per
Speaker 1: fight that he was in, but he was having like
Speaker 1: one or two fights per year, um, which is not
Speaker 1: terrible income. But you you're paying for a coach, you're
Speaker 1: paying for Jim access, you're paying for the medical care
Speaker 1: that comes from this, and he's going to have several
Speaker 1: serious injuries. So he's not living well off of this salary.
Speaker 1: And in fact, he and his brother are living in
Speaker 1: a cheap apartment um I think in Bedfordshire and eating
Speaker 1: as cheaply as they possibly can in order to afford
Speaker 1: to keep being in kickboxing, because it's like, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what it is when you're competing at this kind
Speaker 1: of awkward level that he's at um And Tate relates
Speaker 1: aspects of this himself in a video from and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play this so everyone can get a look and
Speaker 1: listen to the guy before we can go any further.
Speaker 1: This is from his video on Rumble. This is his
Speaker 1: like you like Rumble, his right wing YouTube, and his
Speaker 1: his channel is called Tate Speech as in hate speech.
Speaker 1: But you guys get it right. I don't need here.
Speaker 1: It is first the first first clip world level athletes
Speaker 1: with no money. We invented a dish that was so bland.
Speaker 1: We called it Flavor because it was the only way
Speaker 1: you could add flavor to the dish. So I had
Speaker 1: the name flavor, but it was extremely bland, and it
Speaker 1: was white rice frozen piece. MR Cheap kidney beans. Kidney
Speaker 1: beans have more protein per d grahams than minced did
Speaker 1: you know that? I found out when I was broke,
Speaker 1: walking the aisles of the grocery store trying to find
Speaker 1: the cheapest protein money can buy. I couldn't bring myself
Speaker 1: to be a vegetarian, so I'd add a little bit
Speaker 1: mate minced beef, and if I was really rich, I'd
Speaker 1: have hoole sauce. And I actually suspect he's probably not
Speaker 1: lying too much there. That seems like a reasonable story.
Speaker 1: And I know some people who are professional athletes at
Speaker 1: that similar awkward level where you're like a pro but
Speaker 1: you're not rich, who are like, yeah, you do whatever
Speaker 1: it takes to like stay fueled, or that means cooking
Speaker 1: giant pots of like not delicious things just to stay anyway,
Speaker 1: that that that seems broadly speaking like, he's probably not
Speaker 1: lying entirely about that. Now he is lying about he
Speaker 1: and his brother being world class athletes. You might say
Speaker 1: he was. That's going to be up to what you
Speaker 1: define that as. But Tristan is not competing in kickboxing.
Speaker 1: He is working as like a coach kind of um.
Speaker 1: Although people will criticize in ways that are too weirdly
Speaker 1: nuanced and involved knowledge of kickboxing. So we're just gonna
Speaker 1: move on now. The height of his career as a
Speaker 1: guy who kicks people for money comes in like two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, two thirteen. Um, he two thirteen and thinks
Speaker 1: his last big championship, and not long after that he
Speaker 1: decides to leave professional sports as a full time thing. Um.
Speaker 1: Injuries play a major role in this take. Does not
Speaker 1: like talking about vulnerability, but he was worse at taking
Speaker 1: hits than he likes to pretend. Um. He suffered detached
Speaker 1: retina's in several fights and had to have surgery for
Speaker 1: his eyes, so he would like, he's I mean again
Speaker 1: and again. That's the I'm pointing this out because he
Speaker 1: will never admit it. Like, if you're a professional kickboxer,
Speaker 1: at some point, you're going to get hurt. Enough that
Speaker 1: you can't keep doing kickboxing, like we all saw like
Speaker 1: Mohammed Ali go from you know, Mohammed al Lee to
Speaker 1: you know a guy who has severe injuries as a
Speaker 1: result of being a boxer. All this stuff is bad
Speaker 1: for you, like you either quit at a certain point
Speaker 1: or it destroys your body and mind the same way
Speaker 1: that like football or whatever does. I mean, we all
Speaker 1: just got a reminder of that a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago with um oh, the guy who had a heart
Speaker 1: attack on the Yeah, this is all pretty like normal
Speaker 1: sports stuff, right like you you are when you're watching
Speaker 1: guys do these kind of combat sports. You are watching
Speaker 1: people like mortgage their bodies in the hope of getting rich,
Speaker 1: and take kind of had to accept at a certain point,
Speaker 1: my body is going to give out before I get
Speaker 1: rich doing this. Um. So you know that's the thing
Speaker 1: that he recognizes, and he decides I need to let
Speaker 1: most professional athletes do. I need to find something else
Speaker 1: I can do that's easier on my body that I
Speaker 1: can support myself with. You know, some people open car dealerships.
Speaker 1: Some people decide to you know, sell ads for different
Speaker 1: things and and be be pitchman. Um. Some people go
Speaker 1: into professional baseball. Um, Tristan decided to become a webcam
Speaker 1: sex pimp. UM. So that's that's an interesting call. I
Speaker 1: do think history would have been different and fascinating ways
Speaker 1: that that's the choice Michael Jordan had made. Um, Sophie,
Speaker 1: don't give you that look. I m hm anyway, what
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that look? You deserved it. I I
Speaker 1: usually do so. For three years, they run a rapidly
Speaker 1: expanding business finding women to act as cam operators. Now,
Speaker 1: this is not an inherently dishonest business. I guess if
Speaker 1: you are, you know, building a studio and building like
Speaker 1: a platform by which you can, you know, bring these
Speaker 1: these cam workers attention and they understand their contracts and
Speaker 1: like it's a reasonably fair split. I don't have an
Speaker 1: ethical issue with building a company that allows sex workers
Speaker 1: to do cam work, right, that's that's fine, um. But
Speaker 1: the business that take interest in operated was not fine.
Speaker 1: It was fundamentally pretty toxic. The Grunt Brothers didn't have
Speaker 1: a environment alright cool. Yeah, I'm gonna quote now from
Speaker 1: an article in The Mirror, which is not an ideal source,
Speaker 1: but it's who entered them about this. And I don't
Speaker 1: know why they would lie about something this shady and gross,
Speaker 1: because it makes them seem like sex criminals. Quote. Some
Speaker 1: of their customers fall for the belief that they can
Speaker 1: have a real relationship with the women they see on screen.
Speaker 1: But Tristan brazenly told the Sunday Mirror it's all a
Speaker 1: big scam, and bragg that he doesn't feel any guilt
Speaker 1: because no one cares and it's their problem, not mine.
Speaker 1: The more punter's handover, the more models earn. Some women
Speaker 1: will claim to have crippling university debt, a family member
Speaker 1: in need of private healthcare, or a dream of moving
Speaker 1: to the UK, sometimes even telling men they want to
Speaker 1: meet them. Whatever the excuses, it is a lie, Tristan said,
Speaker 1: so he tells it. He tells a story in this
Speaker 1: article about this guy who wanted to give a cam
Speaker 1: operator twenty dollars his life savings, and Tristan's like, and
Speaker 1: I tried. I talked him out of it. I told him,
Speaker 1: you know, he shouldn't do that. She was actually making
Speaker 1: good money. And then he came back a couple of
Speaker 1: months later and fell in love with another And this
Speaker 1: time I was like, yeah, man, we'll take your money,
Speaker 1: which definitely a lie. Tristan and Andrew Tate have never
Speaker 1: turned down twenty grand that a desperate man offered them
Speaker 1: for lies. But there's no way they're trying to absolutely
Speaker 1: bread and butter. Yeah. Um, I am going to continue
Speaker 1: that quote from the Mirror. But first, you know what
Speaker 1: I am going to continue first is capitalism. I am.
Speaker 1: I am keeping this nightmare engine alive on my own
Speaker 1: by advertising for products on this podcast. So on your own.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's I am. I am the lynchpin holding
Speaker 1: the global economy together. Look after Facebook fell apart, it's
Speaker 1: just me, baby, Oh my god, name another company, Sophie,
Speaker 1: It's just this podcast. Just run the ads. He's out
Speaker 1: of control. Uh, we are back. So um, I'm going
Speaker 1: to continue that quote from the from the Sunday Mirror
Speaker 1: of Tristan Tate being interviewed. He believes he is beyond
Speaker 1: the reach of the authorities because of two lines in
Speaker 1: the terms and conditions. He said, One is broadcasting is
Speaker 1: for entertainment purposes only. That means if a model says
Speaker 1: she has a sick dog or a sick grandma, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be true. The next is that all
Speaker 1: cash given the models is a voluntary sign of gratitude
Speaker 1: for their time broadcasting. Now I'm not a lawyer. That
Speaker 1: kind of sounds like the tick and their money. It
Speaker 1: does sound like you're taking their money. That said, he
Speaker 1: may be in the right there that the mirror did
Speaker 1: a journalistic thing and they reached out to a lawyer
Speaker 1: to be like, is this true? And the lawyer said maybe.
Speaker 1: But also generally UK laws say that you can't defraud
Speaker 1: people and take their money on fraudulent terms. But also
Speaker 1: the laws haven't kept pace with technology. There's a good
Speaker 1: chance he was in a legal gray area. They did
Speaker 1: not get charged, so probably is fair to say they
Speaker 1: were in enough of a legal gray area that they
Speaker 1: were reasonably safe. And to be like, perfectly honest, I
Speaker 1: suspect they could have done this indefinitely if Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: hadn't been a sex criminal. Um, which is which is
Speaker 1: what we're getting to here. Um. So, Andrew Tate later
Speaker 1: wrote this on his personal website slash Shady Business, teaching
Speaker 1: men to run their own webcam porn studios. This is
Speaker 1: a thing he does later. Um, but this is how
Speaker 1: he talks about his webcam business and how he makes
Speaker 1: it work. How did I become rich webcam? I've been
Speaker 1: running a webcam studio for nearly a game. I've had
Speaker 1: over seventy five girls work for me, and my business
Speaker 1: model is different than nine percent of webcam studio owners.
Speaker 1: Over fifty of my employees were actually my girlfriend at
Speaker 1: the time, and if all my girlfriends, none were in
Speaker 1: the adult industry entertainment industry before they met me. My
Speaker 1: job was getting women to fall in love with me. Literally,
Speaker 1: that was my job. My job was to meet a girl,
Speaker 1: go on a few dates, sleep with her, test if
Speaker 1: she's quality, get her to fall in love with me
Speaker 1: to where she'd do anything I'd say, and then get
Speaker 1: her on webcam so we could become rich together. Whether
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree with what I did with their loyalties,
Speaker 1: submission and love for me doesn't matter. You cannot reject
Speaker 1: the results, and the results are simple. My girlfriends would
Speaker 1: do more for me than nine percent of men's wives
Speaker 1: would do for them. So what does that's really gross?
Speaker 1: And like voluntarily listed on his own site, It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: he bragged about this. Now this is potentially him describing
Speaker 1: sex trafficking right especially, that's what if you're if the
Speaker 1: women are not getting Again, there's not like a law
Speaker 1: that says you can't have someone fall in love with
Speaker 1: you and then contract with them to do sex work. Right,
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that there's a law against. However,
Speaker 1: if they are not getting paid for it, and if
Speaker 1: they are not being allowed freedom of movement, well then
Speaker 1: what happens is that you have like entrapped them and
Speaker 1: you are sex trafficking them. Right. This is what's called
Speaker 1: law enforcement calls this the lover boy method, right, where
Speaker 1: you get someone to fall in love with you. And
Speaker 1: also this is this goes on. This is a very
Speaker 1: old tactic in like shall we say pimping. Um, We're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you make a woman feel like or a person be
Speaker 1: in love and dependent on you, and then you kind
Speaker 1: of emotionally abuse them into doing sex work. This is
Speaker 1: a thing that happens that is like a recognized part
Speaker 1: of a criminal enterprise. UM. Now, obviously, getting charges based
Speaker 1: on those words on his website is going to be
Speaker 1: hard to do. UM. But just kind of the stuff
Speaker 1: that he had published for a while was enough that
Speaker 1: people at the time should have known that he was
Speaker 1: up to a what was a likely illegal business. Now,
Speaker 1: if you came across articles about Tight twenty two and
Speaker 1: they went to any to tail about his webcam career.
Speaker 1: The most you were likely to learn was what the
Speaker 1: Mirror wrote here. After three years they moved to Romania,
Speaker 1: saying the UK had gone downhill. They have women on
Speaker 1: a number of CD sites. Operators take at cut and
Speaker 1: the rest goes to the studio. So that's that's what
Speaker 1: they claimed for years had happened, like you know, we
Speaker 1: did it in the UK and then the UK got
Speaker 1: woke and so we switched to Romania. That is not
Speaker 1: what actually happened. So they started running this can business
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, three years after two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: and they moved to Romania. It's two fifteen now. Just
Speaker 1: a few days ago after his arrest, a story dropped
Speaker 1: made it clear why they actually left the UK, and
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with wokeness to the country
Speaker 1: going downhill. Andrew Tate was arrested on suspicion of sexual
Speaker 1: assault and physical abuse in two thousand and fifteen. Vice
Speaker 1: broke the story quote two women told Vice World News
Speaker 1: they were violently abused, one raped, the other repeatedly strangled
Speaker 1: by Andrew Tate and that UK police in the Crown
Speaker 1: Prosecution Service mishandled their case, leaving him free to rise
Speaker 1: to global fame on the back of his unchecked misogyny.
Speaker 1: Police took four years to pass their investigation to the
Speaker 1: Crown Prosecution Service, whose job involves assessing whether there is
Speaker 1: a realistic prospect of conviction, at which point the CPS
Speaker 1: declined to prosecute. So that's the reality of why they
Speaker 1: had to leave the UK. Fucking vile, disgusting human beings,
Speaker 1: and it it makes the the timeline makes a lot
Speaker 1: more sense when you know that, when he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to bounce because you know, things just got
Speaker 1: to woke for us in Romania. And he would also
Speaker 1: he later made the claim that, like, I had to
Speaker 1: leave Romania because in the UK a man can get
Speaker 1: accused of rape for anything, right, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: Romania it's much harder to get accused of rape. And
Speaker 1: so I moved to Romanian not because I'm a rapist,
Speaker 1: but because I like freedom. No, man, you were you
Speaker 1: were accused of rape by multiple women um and then investigated,
Speaker 1: and you decided to leave because you didn't know if
Speaker 1: the UK was going to come for your ass at
Speaker 1: some point. Um. And the story is actually a bit
Speaker 1: more fucked up than that, because back in two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: a woman who Vice refers to as Amelia filed a
Speaker 1: police report alleging sexual and physical abuse by Tate. She
Speaker 1: claims that she and Tate met in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: They were friendly for years until two thousand thirteen, which
Speaker 1: is when Tate was transitioning away from kickboxing to webcam pimping.
Speaker 1: The two decided to go out on a series of
Speaker 1: dates at the end of that year, and after several weeks,
Speaker 1: they were in her room when Andrew forced himself on her.
Speaker 1: Now she describes him stopping like she tells him to
Speaker 1: stop when he starts like trying to go to have sex,
Speaker 1: and um, she tells him that she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: have sex, and he tells her she She says that
Speaker 1: he like sits quietly for a moment, and then she
Speaker 1: asked him what's going on, and he says, I'm debating
Speaker 1: whether I should rape you or not. What the oh boy, howdy,
Speaker 1: it's um, it's bad. Within an instant, he changed who
Speaker 1: he was. He wasn't the same Andrew that I knew.
Speaker 1: That was funny that would make me laugh. It was
Speaker 1: like his eyes went and I didn't have a clue
Speaker 1: who that person was. Terrifying, disgusting. Oh that's that's horrible.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that happened her. Yeah, and it's so.
Speaker 1: Here's one of the things about this is she goes
Speaker 1: to the cops. He rapes her, and it takes they
Speaker 1: have after that point, she consents to sex. She says
Speaker 1: a couple of times over the next six months um,
Speaker 1: which is not uncommon in situations like this. But eventually
Speaker 1: she goes to the police to make a complaint UM,
Speaker 1: and the police are like, do you want to do
Speaker 1: you want to proceed with charges, right, because that's an
Speaker 1: option that you have in this case, And she decides, obviously,
Speaker 1: I don't I hopefully I don't think I have to
Speaker 1: explain this to this audience, but like, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of horrible personal consequences that can come to charging
Speaker 1: your rapist right to to pursuing the criminal charges, she decides,
Speaker 1: And there is, and this seems like a positive things.
Speaker 1: There's an option in the UK where you can just
Speaker 1: log a complaint and say this guy raped me without
Speaker 1: proceeding with criminal charges, which she decides she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do at this point, and so that's what she does. UM.
Speaker 1: And then that this is again two, is when those
Speaker 1: two women who worked in his cam studio, UM push
Speaker 1: press charges against him and the police and this is
Speaker 1: a positive step. It's about to get less positive. But
Speaker 1: the police find out, oh, there's a report locked against
Speaker 1: this guy two years earlier, and they reach out to
Speaker 1: Amelia and they're like, more women have come forward saying
Speaker 1: that this guy assaulted them. Do you want your charges?
Speaker 1: Do you want your allegations basically to be added to
Speaker 1: theirs in this case that we're building, right, um? And
Speaker 1: she says yes, and she hands over her phone to
Speaker 1: the cops, which contained numerous audio notes because she had
Speaker 1: told Andrew and like texts and stuff like hey, you
Speaker 1: know like you rape me. That's why I don't want
Speaker 1: to know you anymore. And he had responded to her,
Speaker 1: and he had responded to her using voice notes where
Speaker 1: he admitted to what he had done. UM. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a couple of notes of Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: UM here for you, because before we hear him in
Speaker 1: his like fifteen year old boy influencer voice, we should
Speaker 1: hear how he talks to somebody like Amelia when he
Speaker 1: doesn't think it's going to be on the news? Am
Speaker 1: I a bad person? Because the more you didn't like it,
Speaker 1: the more I enjoyed it. I fucking loved how much
Speaker 1: you hated it turned me on. Why am I like that? Why?
Speaker 1: I am one of the most dangerous men on this planet.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you forget exactly how lucky you were to get
Speaker 1: sucked by me. Would you rather me pin you down
Speaker 1: and make you do things you didn't like? Or would
Speaker 1: you rather fun you didn't like that? I was thinking,
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want to. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm the smartest person on this fucking planet. Are you
Speaker 1: seriously so offended? I strangled you a little bit. You
Speaker 1: didn't fucking pass out. Chill the funk out, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: I thought you were cool. What's wrong with you? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? So that's not great. That's not great. That's
Speaker 1: so upsetting, that's so upsetting. Yeah, that's pretty bad. He's
Speaker 1: he's a pretty bad dude. And what's vile? Disgusting, despicable? This,
Speaker 1: Like again, normally self diagnosis is the thing we avoid
Speaker 1: on this but like, that's just very obvious textbook narcissism.
Speaker 1: I am the smartest man in the world, you know,
Speaker 1: like he is, It's not hard to see what's going
Speaker 1: on with this guy, um, And I don't know his
Speaker 1: dad or like how that all went down, But there's
Speaker 1: there's there's this if you look at the way he
Speaker 1: talks about his dad and his grandpa, there's this need
Speaker 1: to like associate himself with greatness. Um. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: like every everything that's going on here makes sense, but
Speaker 1: it's also so bleak, um And I I don't know
Speaker 1: that there's probably a better better writer and thinker than me.
Speaker 1: My people to draw a more trenchant connection between the
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I was talking about about out how
Speaker 1: lack of connection to other men and two older men,
Speaker 1: and how not knowing what your places in society leads
Speaker 1: young men to feel disconnected and that that can be
Speaker 1: the root of of of some bad behavior, and the
Speaker 1: fact that Tate idolizes his dad and is separated from
Speaker 1: him and becomes so needful to kind of convince others
Speaker 1: of his greatness while using violence and threats against them.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a connection there, um, but
Speaker 1: it's it's I think kind of worth thinking about. I
Speaker 1: guess in in in the same continuum. I don't know,
Speaker 1: this is still stuff like that. I'm kind of muddling
Speaker 1: through to UM. But it's it's not it's not surprising
Speaker 1: to me that this guy has this, um, this kind
Speaker 1: of obsession with his because that's what it's about, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's never about like that he wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: sex or whatever. It's about that. It's about power. It's
Speaker 1: about power. He had this and it's about the fact
Speaker 1: that she didn't want to have sex with him. Is
Speaker 1: like an attempt from her to exercise agency, and no
Speaker 1: one else in the world gets to exercise agency, just
Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, right, Like that's the way this guy thinks
Speaker 1: about things. UM, I don't know. There's a lot going
Speaker 1: on there worth worth pondering. UM, And I guess we
Speaker 1: will ponder it for a while while we wait for
Speaker 1: part three of this series, where we will talk about
Speaker 1: the fallout from these cases and the social media presence
Speaker 1: that tape builds. When again, nobody knows this at that
Speaker 1: I mean this, this this young woman knows it, and
Speaker 1: a couple of police officers know it. But um, as
Speaker 1: a spoiler, the police don't proceed with the charges. Um,
Speaker 1: and in fact they it's really fucked up. Um. The
Speaker 1: police say that they believe her, or Amelia says, what
Speaker 1: she said to to Vice when they talked to her,
Speaker 1: is that the police told her that they believed her claims,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't go forward with the case because there
Speaker 1: was a shred of doubt about Tate's guilt. Um. Now
Speaker 1: there's a shred of doubt. And see it does seem
Speaker 1: like he admitted it, he being a sexual predator. What
Speaker 1: are we? What are we really cops? There's some fucked
Speaker 1: up cop gas lighting here because they tell her like, look,
Speaker 1: going through the process of of pressing charges against a
Speaker 1: rapist is so traumatic to the woman that we don't
Speaker 1: do it unless there's no shred of doubt. We're trying
Speaker 1: to protect you from the ugly court, which is like
Speaker 1: cop gas lighting is on another level. Um. But that's
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Amelia, That's yeah, it's fucking Bleakum. This
Speaker 1: whole story is bleak. And after this point, Andrew and
Speaker 1: Tristan moved to Romania. They move their sex trafficking webcam
Speaker 1: business to Romania, and we will pick up that story
Speaker 1: in part three, where it gets a lot bleaker in
Speaker 1: some ways, but also we get to make fun of
Speaker 1: Andrew tape videos, so you know something to look forward to.
Speaker 1: Take your wins where you can get them, kiddos, Um,
Speaker 1: what do we? Who are we? Who are we here?
Speaker 1: We're the bad boys and podcasting obviously. Uh well right, Robert,
Speaker 1: you're I think I think both shows are actually sold out.
Speaker 1: But you will be at s F Sketch Beest this
Speaker 1: coming weekend and you'll be doing Behind the Bastard Show,
Speaker 1: and you will also be doing Francesca Fiorentini. Yeahi's the
Speaker 1: Bituation Room Show. Yeah, great? In episode out something why why? Yes, Robert,
Speaker 1: it is a week from when we are recording that.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we will finish recording the Andrew Tate
Speaker 1: episodes and then I will figure out what the funk
Speaker 1: I'm doing for this live show that apparently a bunch
Speaker 1: of you assholes have decided to show up at. God
Speaker 1: damn you, thank you all for buying tickets. Before we
Speaker 1: close out, I want to thank again April Clark and
Speaker 1: Grace Freud of Girl God The Girl Got Podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: both great comedians. They have an upcoming show at JFO
Speaker 1: Vancouver on February. People can get tickets for that at
Speaker 1: Girl Gods Show dot com. They were on the early
Speaker 1: version of part of this, but I had an emergency
Speaker 1: and we had to bounce, And now we are recording
Speaker 1: this late at night because it is the only way
Speaker 1: that we can make this show work in a way
Speaker 1: that is we are contractually obligated to. So thank you
Speaker 1: April and Grace, Thank you Ian and Sophy for being
Speaker 1: guests on my show last minute. And yeah, you're fucking welcome, Robert,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Everyone else can go to hell though.
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