WEBVTT - Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:10.320 Oh no, no, no. So we ended the last episode 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.440 where I was like, wow, you're such a great writer. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.520 That was so good. And then you come in and 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.480 then you do that fucking ship what well, so you 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.880 you you may not understand this because of your your 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.560 your womanliness, but I was embodying the archetype of the 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:33.680 magician wild man. I don't know, you're fired. That's fair, 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:40.080 that's fair. Well I have started drinking, um m M. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.880 I got a nice glass of port Rude talisker here, um. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.680 And I want to start this episode by getting a 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.360 shout out to a friend of the pod, former mayor 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.000 of the City of Portland, Sam Adams. Now y'all may 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.600 not know Sam. I think he was briefly on the 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.800 show Portlandia, but he was fired from being the mayor 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:04.160 because he had a set true relationship with a teenage staffer. Um. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.319 And then got rehired by current Mayor of Portland, Ted Wheeler, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.319 who's a giant piece of ship, to be the mayor's 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.560 body man basically um. And then this week Sam announced 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.760 that he was retiring because he had an iron deficiency. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.280 And then Ted Wheeler told everyone though he's retiring it 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.120 because he wouldn't stop threatening and bullying women in the office. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:30.520 Both of you guys suck and it's very funny that's happened. Um. Also, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.880 I gotta say shout out to Sam Adams honestly, going 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:41.880 from sexually harassing teenager too being a bully to adult women. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:52.120 That's a step forward. Um. Okay, disagree, Sophie, You're fine. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.760 I don't know. One of the two things isn't a 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.640 sex crime. So that's a real, real person growth for 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:05.320 a former mayor of Portland's Sam Adams. Um. Anyway, Ted Wheeler, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.080 what the fun is? Great great hiring. Look, honestly, fox 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.920 Sam Adams, he's a piece of ship. But incredible hiring 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.360 decision from Ted Wheeler. Yeah, let's get the guy in 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.840 here who had sex with a seventeen year old stafford. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.880 Let's let's get him back in city hall. We really 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.120 need his insights. Um, great, great work. It really shocked 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.680 about you know how how well liked he is in 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.600 the City of Portland. Yeah he I mean he's not. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.160 But you can let him know how you feel about 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.120 his decision to hire and then fire Sam Adams at 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.640 at Ted Wheeler on Twitter when he got the tear 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.600 gas thrown on him. I do remember that. So I 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.679 started talking about Ted Wheeler and sad Sam Adams because 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.560 they're both toxic men. And today we are finally getting 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.880 into the direct personal story of one of the most 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.440 toxic men of all time, Emery Andrew Tate the third. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.919 That's quite a name. That's quite a name. Um. Now, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.440 Emrie Andrew tap the third was born in Washington, d C. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.520 On December one, nineteen eight six. Now that fancy name 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.160 might lead you to think that he came from some 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.400 like British ash British British ass uh noble family or 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.960 some ship that sounds like a duke's name to me, um, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:30.839 but very formal. It sounds like he is not um. Now, 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.119 most of the texture that we get on his childhood 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.880 comes from Andrew himself, which is not ideal because he 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.840 is a liar um. But there's just not a lot 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.960 of other Again, I haven't found no one's done like 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.520 a critical biography. There's not like a big, long New 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.000 Yorker piece that really delves into his back story. So 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.080 I kind of had to do that myself to the 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.360 best extent that I could do. Now I did find one, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.200 and this is Honestly, the only texture you get on 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.200 his childhood that I have come across is from an 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.520 article he wrote for a web site for kickboxing that 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.800 sells kickboxing gear um and the title of it is 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.440 the Life of Andrew King Kobra Tate. So again, this 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.000 is not a credible source. But the way in which 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.240 he writes about his childhood and what he wants you 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.560 to believe about it does tell you a lot about 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.360 the man. So we're still going to be covering it. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.080 But do not take this this literal truth that that 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.400 should be obvious. Here's how he talks about his birth. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.520 I was born in Washington, d C. At Walter Reed 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:31.080 Army Hospital early one morning, December one. The doctor wanted 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.440 to award me a perfect ten on the birth scale, 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:38.880 but settled on nine point five already already. That's the 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:45.040 saddest thing anyone has ever bragged. That's so pathetic, absolutely heartbreaking. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:52.120 Oh my god, that's on somebody's fucking like dating profile 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.119 for sure, two weeks overdue. But I was a nose. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.000 I was nose breathing already as the doctor held me 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.680 upside down by my heels, and my right fist was 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.279 in side of my mouth as I suckled. The doctor 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.800 pinched my thigh to get a response, and I growled, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.240 knitting my brow and trying to crane my head up 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.360 to see who had attacked me. The doctor paled, shocked 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.480 at my defensive powers. I did not cry. Oh my god, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:22.640 I hate this. That's so funny though, bragging about how 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:31.080 tough you were is a baby as a baby, like unbelievable. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.080 And I was re reading what you what you just said, 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.039 and it's I'm gonna tell you all right now, because again, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.160 everything I found just kind of glosses over his his childhood, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.440 because we don't have a lot of like like detailed, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.960 like somebody hasn't gone through, like interviewed a shipload of 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.880 people that he knew was a little kid. And it right, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.480 that hasn't happened yet. I'm sure it will um And 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.800 I was thinking, we're just gonna have to brush over 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.159 his childhood. And then I found this article he wrote 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.640 about himself on a kickboxing website and it it made 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.039 my week. It made my week. It's so funny about 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:11.400 your own birth, like you did fucking anything. So if 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:16.880 you're curious about Andrew's parentage, his mother Eileen h is 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.839 indeed English's ship um, and she's a white lady. She 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:24.520 worked as a catering assistant. His father is Emrie Tate Junr. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.880 Um and Emory what was Emory Tate Junior? Emory Tate Jr. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.479 Was a Black American man and a Chicago chess prodigy. Actually, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.960 up until a year or two ago, Emory Tate was 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.719 much more famous than Andrew Tate. Um. We actually had 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.760 in in our work chat. Mia was shocked to learn 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.600 that Andrew Tate was Emrie Tate's son. Um. I had 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.679 not heard of this guy. But I don't care for chess, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.080 um or for yeah chess. Yeah. The Washington Post describes 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.680 Emory Tate Jr. As a trailblazer for black chess players. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.320 He was like one of the first. I don't know, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.799 he may have been like the first, like soup, we're famous, 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:06.000 really well known, like black professional chess players. Um. Again, 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.680 I don't understand chess. I don't understand why you would 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.040 play a war game that doesn't include orcs. But a 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.880 lot of people who love chess say that he was 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.280 one of the most fun players to watch. I did 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.520 read a lot of like writing, like fans and like 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.080 read it and stuff talking about Emory Tate, and one 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:22.840 thing they also to agree on is he was just 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.320 super entertaining. Twitch you why does when you type in 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.040 Emery Tate into Google, why does the first suggested thing 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:37.480 come up as CIA? What I typed Emory Tate into 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.120 Google and the first thing that auto fills is c 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:49.720 I A m hmm, it was Andrew says that he 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.320 was in the c I that was happening. Yeah, he was. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.680 So he was in the Air Force as a sergeant 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.880 and he served as a linguished linguist. Um. There's not 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.680 actually hard evidence that he was in the CIA that 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.640 I have seen, Like this is based on again, Andrew 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:12.160 is kind of when we're about to get into this, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.200 he's really plumping his dad's reputation to make him into 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.200 like not just a chess guy, but a bad as 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.600 may or may not somebody. I have not seen any 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.920 independent confirmation that he worked in the CIA. Maybe he 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.440 did a lot of guys in that period who like 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.840 did some sort of like weird work where they would 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.280 have just been listed as a State department employee. So 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.000 it's not impossible, but I have not come across confirmation 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.679 that he was in the CIA um so the Washington 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.520 Post and most sources who write about Andrew's dad will 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.840 call him a grand master at chess. This is not 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.240 entirely true he was. I mean, this is not true. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.000 He was an international master, which is a lesser rank. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.360 He never quite made it to grand master. I found 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.320 again chess discussions online by nerds about chess who will 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.880 say that he didn't make it to grand master um 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.199 mainly because he wasn't able. He wasn't willing to do 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.160 like certain things that you have to do to do that. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.200 But he was. He had a really good record. He 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.240 regularly beat grandmasters. Some people say he was as good 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.840 at Bobby Fisher. Again, I have no way to evaluate 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.960 any of this, taking a big anti chest chess approach 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.840 here again, there's no there's no battle tanks and chess. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:26.520 There's no Titans with chainsaw hands. The ultimate game of 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.280 strategy is still Warhammer forty thousand. I think we can 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.320 all agree on that. Yes, of course it's been true 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:36.959 for generations. Um. But anyway, Emory Tate great at chess, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.600 um at chess his story and wrote a book about him, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.000 which gives us some idea as to where Andrew Tape 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.960 got his sense of style and personal branding. The title 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.640 was triple exclam with three exclamation points. The Life and 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:53.440 Games of Emory Tate Chess Warrior Um, which is kind 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.320 of fun um. I think he literally died at the 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.640 table in two thousand fifteen playing a game of chess 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.120 like this man, This motherfucker loved jess Um. He wears 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.240 a white fedora with a gold band on the cover, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.400 which also gives you a little bit of insight into 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.400 where Andrew Tate gets some of his taste in style. Um. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.560 And Andrew idolizes his father, and he does it particularly. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.679 I'm not going to pretend to know the man's emotional state, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.800 but in his public writing he particularly celebrates his dad. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:25.760 And that kickboxing website article, Andrew Tate noted this about 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.760 the male side of his family background. My grandfather, Emrie A. 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.559 Tate Esquire, fought in World War Two before becoming a 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.920 lawyer in Chicago, doing racially charged times as a black man. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.000 That shaped his worldview, and he was very strict, very hard. Indeed, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.079 as a boy, he pushed a plow with mule through 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.040 the hard clay dirt of Georgia, forced to work on 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.319 the farm. At age twelve, he pushed a plow that 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.160 only grown men normally handled. Then he ran away, never 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.240 to return to the farm. He did some bare knuckled 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.600 fist bites as a young man, and distinguish himself hand 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.640 to hand during the war years. And again I'm sure 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.280 parts of that are true. Everything about his dad and 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.520 his grandpa always veeers into how good a word hand 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.040 to hand combat, and there is no evidence of this. Um. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.760 Like the stuff about working on a farm, Yeah, that's 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.120 that seems plausible. The stuff about how we fought the 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.040 Nazis hand to hand. I don't know, maybe, but that 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.520 actually happened often. That just gives me, like, my dad 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.760 can beat up your dad vibes like it sounds like 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.199 something like a kid would say about his own birth. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.920 I mean, it's like, you don't have to lie about 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.839 him fist fighting Nazis. It's okay if he just shot them. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.360 A lot of dudes did and that was rat Like, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.000 he doesn't have to be great at punching just because 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.040 you grew up to punch people for a living. That's 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.760 kind of a weird thing to focus on Andrew, Um, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.080 But he loves talking about how good. His dad and 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.880 Grandpa were at fighting. Um quote. His son, my dad, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.800 Emrie A. Tate Jr. Was a young athlete, learning wrestling 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:54.080 in school and developing the early forms of take shinkai 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.920 strikes as a youth, which I guess is his own 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.400 martial arts thing. His job in the Middle Terry for 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.680 eleven years took him on many adventures, and little is 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.480 known for sure except that my dad never loses. He 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.840 is my role modeling when he in many ways, even 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.760 as I write poetry like he does. So. I mean also, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.119 I think his dad would have been in the military. 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:23.200 Let me let me double check here, Uh yeah, during Vietnam, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.680 which would mean that he did, in fact lose. Um 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:33.080 So sorry Andrew, But um I I don't want to 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.520 be mean to Emery take because well this is a 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.280 little bit his fault. Um So. Yeah. The closest thing 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.040 that Andrew has written or said that comes close to 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.320 being emotionally impactful at all is when he writes about 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.880 his father. I will give him that he writes with 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.320 like some amount of actual um sincerity about his feelings 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.640 towards his dad, And I'm gonna give you an example 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.280 of that now. I never learned to cry for attention. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.120 I only used grunts to indicate hunger or discomfort, but 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.800 mostly I was silent. I had a large new crib, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.680 but most every night I spent a sleep on my 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.440 dad's chest. He would place me there and sleep still, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.760 never moving in the night, and our heartbeats were and 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:18.760 are as one. I just could like, yeah, just too 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:26.199 angry to now. Bits like this do contrast with passages 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.040 where Andrew will relate stories about his dad that sound 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.760 kind of abusive. Quote. I learned to defend myself soon 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.480 after I could walk, long before my first punch into 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.080 a pillow. I learned to balance, how to step backward 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.640 after being pushed gently in the chest. Dad made a 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.559 game of it, a game which ended with a savage 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.920 shove across the living room, sending me into a dramatic 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.559 back pedal. I stopped myself with my head one inch 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.600 from cracking into the far wall. That was the final test. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.280 Kind of sounds like your dad was just shoving you 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.800 because he was pissed, Andrew. That kind of sounds not great. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:02.679 Do you need to talk about this, man? Yeah? No talking, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:09.160 just yeah, just I mean, look, if I was going 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.439 to raise a child, I will I'd be lying if 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.160 I said that the shoving method didn't hold some appeal, 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.199 because I do a lot of other things by shoving. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.840 It's how I moved my furniture, it's how I record podcasts. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.640 I'm shoving a walking desk around the room right now. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.280 We actually Daniel spends like thirteen hours a week editing 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.480 that out before we can even get the audio off 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.280 off to Chris, um, that's most of his job. It's 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.680 it's really um, it's a good part of our work. 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.640 And remind me to tell you about the time when 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.360 Robert got a foot massager and he refused to not 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:48.480 use it while recording, and it would go directly into 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.440 the mic and like, there's no there's no hazard. Pay 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:59.680 that's enough, truly, don't take it. I'm sorry. And that 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.320 was my fault for bringing it up. That was your 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.600 fault for bringing it up. But more importantly not my fault, 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:11.120 because nothing is speaking of toxic masculinity. Let's get back 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.920 to Andrew Tates cool So. Andrew was raised initially in 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.040 the DC area and then Indiana, uh and he seemed 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.440 to want to follow in his father's footsteps. He started 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.320 playing chess at age three. He started competing at five, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.040 and he eventually competed in adult tournaments while still a child. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.720 And this is where we get the very first news 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.400 article on Andrew Tate, who at that point was referred 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.480 to as e Marie A. Tate. It is a local 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.040 news piece, and this is the first like objective ish 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.480 piece of journalism that like, it's not just like him 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.480 writing about his background. Um. And it's really the only 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.840 insight we get into his childhood that doesn't come directly 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.800 from a Tate. UM. It's again a local news piece. 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.560 The news in his town, which is like South Bend, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.480 was talking about the release there was a movie coming 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.040 out about Bobby Fisher, who I guess was good at chess, UM, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.000 and so they were writing about that, and they wanted 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.400 a human interest piece, so they talked about young Andrew Tate, 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.920 who was six when they wrote this article. UM. He 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.240 had started a chess club in South Bend with some 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.560 other kids, and he had taught them chess because he 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.840 wanted people to play against. It includes the article a 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.120 couple of quotes that are interesting. Every kid wanted wants 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.320 to be like his dad, the elder Tate said, but 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.920 father had recently limited sons playing time encouraging other activities. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.080 I don't think that a kid his age should spend 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.280 so much time playing chess. As a parent, I'd like 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.360 to see him become a top level player, but I 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.720 realized there's so much more to life than just chess. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.240 He learned how to swim this summer, and he plays 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.120 with his friends and stuff like that. Andrew, however, says 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.960 he plays because he's bored all the time. Most of 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.760 the time, I am bored, and that's the only thing 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:50.760 I want to do most So Yeah, interesting, there's some 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.520 insight into the actual kid there. Um, that is a 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.760 response I understand from a kid like I am bored 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.720 all the time. This is the only thing that I like. 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.840 It Also, you know, gives you a little bit of 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.520 a look into like there's For whatever reason, one of 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.080 the things I take with him this article is that 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.159 Emory Tit didn't want his son to follow him as 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.280 a chess guy. It might have been some insecurity about 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.359 not wanting his kid to be better than him, or 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.960 it may have just been understandably, like, you know, I 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.240 never made a lot of money playing chess. I want 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.040 you to do something else with your life. I don't 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.720 want you to like be locked into this thing. I 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.040 don't know. There's some interesting questions that answers or asks. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.840 The author of this article notes that Andrew had just 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.760 competed in his first adult chess tournament where he had 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.200 and again Andrews later on, when he starts putting out 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.640 propaganda trying to make him do a badass will point 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.240 out that, like at age six, he was playing in 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.080 adult chess tournaments, he did lose three out of five games, um, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:50.960 and his dad eventually had to pull him out of 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.919 the tournament because, quote, he got very upset because he 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.880 thought he was failing. So Emory withdrew his son from 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.480 the game to quote save him from crying in front 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.560 of all those people. And uh, we're not keyed into 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.359 what precisely happened there. Whoa, whoa. I thought he didn't cry. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.040 Why are we worried about that? It sure seems like 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:16.080 his dad said he did. Yeah. Fact and again, I'm 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.680 gonna guess one of two things happened there. Either Andrew 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:20.639 was just throwing a fit because he was losing, and 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.200 his dad was like, well, you can't be at a 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.160 chess tournament if you're gonna throw a fit when you lose. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.760 Or Andrew was doing okay and wanted to keep playing, 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.959 and his dad was angry that he was losing and 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.520 didn't want him to keep like risk losing again. Um. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.760 Even though three to two is not a bad record 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.919 for a six year old playing six either way, we 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.880 don't know which of those is the case. Either possibility 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.280 is interesting to me, UM. Andrew's parents had another boy, Tristan, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.840 two years after Andrew was born, and the two brothers 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.000 have been inseparable their whole lives. They played chess together, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.520 but Tristan never competed. Uh. They would later kickbox together, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.560 but Tristan never competed. He's like always is there, But 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.480 he also doesn't seem to get to live a full 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.640 life because he exists purely in his brother's shadow, as 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.399 like an agent of his greatness. It's kind of a 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.760 weird relationship for Tristan, UM, but I don't think he's 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.120 self aware enough to understand that it's weird. One photo 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.160 in the news are in that news article shows six 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.040 year old Andrew focused in the picture frame, face taking 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.800 up a third of the frame, playing chess. Well, just 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.800 Tristan's hand is visible in the right third, and as 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.080 the brothers grew up, Andrew would consistently stay in focus 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.119 will Tristan would always just sort of be off to 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.360 the side. Is that and that's true to this day, 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.320 right to this day, I have I don't have it 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.240 in the script we could play, there's a very funny 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.440 video of his brother like telling him to go out 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.520 to like film their cars for this video they're doing 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.639 about how nice their life is. And then when his 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.639 brother goes out, Andrew cuts the feed just to be like, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.480 ha ha, fuck you, this is my show. I don't 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.240 have to like let you do anything if I don't 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.880 want to. And it's like weirdly abusive because they're both 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.160 men who were in their thirties, Like Tristan, you don't 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.520 have to take that. Like. Um, things got harder for 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.400 them after South Bend Um because they their mom and dad. 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.439 It's not a good marriage and they divorce. Um. I 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.800 have found very little to tail about why that divorce happened. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.800 We can infer though, that it was an extremely painful 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.800 time for Andrew, and this is all he's willing to 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.120 write about it. Dad was working minimum wage jobs over 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.920 time since his military career had been ended. Both mom 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.359 and Dad worked so that we could survive. Things became 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.320 so hard that we decided to go to England and 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:37.640 try a life there only minus dad. And uh, he's 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.720 not willing to write like, you know, the marriage didn't 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.280 work out or and again we don't know why. I'm 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.000 gonna avoid like theorizing what might have happened there, but 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.359 this is clearly he idolizes his dad and he's taken 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.880 away from him forever basically, um, and obviously mom might 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.280 have had a perfectly good reason for doing that. I'm 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.800 not trying to be critical. We just actually don't really know. Um, 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.560 but this is definitely like the fact that he's not 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.520 willing to even acknowledge the basics of what happened kind 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:11.520 of suggests this leaves a pretty profound impact on young Andrew. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.680 So by age eleven, he was, in his words, man 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.760 of the house, looking after his younger brother and now sister. 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.679 The town in England they live in was called Luton, 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.840 and it is still. I think it's usually pronounced by 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.240 English people Luton, but you know, you know how they are. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:30.840 I didn't think we would get an accent this episode, 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:35.200 but I'm glad we did. Worm from Luton. That's how 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:40.240 they sound. Um, you know how when I do my 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:42.760 when I do my accent, should I do my Boston 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.520 accent to get him back on board? Your Boston accents 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:50.800 really joy even from Boston and Oi, Lloyd Caffey and Shielda. Yeah, 0:21:54.359 --> 0:22:04.719 an Australian person underwater being strangled. Just just Western Australia, Sophie. Anyways, Robert, 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.199 it's time for an ad break. It is time for 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.800 an ad break. So good Denkin Donuts and have you 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:18.320 a caffie bost It's so bad, it's pretty good. It's 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.119 so bad, it's impressive, Like thank you. I feel like 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:23.800 that takes a lot of skill and control to be 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.280 that bad again. I'll take any kind of praise. I 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.760 don't care. Um, bad attention, good attention, it's all the 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:38.159 same to me. Welcome to our podcast about toxic masculinity. Uh, 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:51.760 and we're back. So Luton is um it's not an 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.480 easy place to grow up. It is in fact close to, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:58.760