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Speaker 1: That's quite a name. That's quite a name. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: Um and Emory what was Emory Tate Junior? Emory Tate Jr.

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Speaker 1: Was a Black American man and a Chicago chess prodigy. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Games of Emory Tate Chess Warrior Um, which is kind

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Speaker 1: Emrie A. Tate Jr. Was a young athlete, learning wrestling

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Speaker 1: or the blinding speed. But I'm sure pieces of this

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00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: are true. UM. Now, Tristan or Andrew interestingly says that

428
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: the only one of them who got into a real

429
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: world fight when they were kids was his brother Tristan.

430
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: Some kid was bullying him and he beat him up. UM.

431
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if that story is true or not,

432
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: but it is worth noting that Andrew claims in this article,

433
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: I have never struck a person in anger. Now we

434
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: know that's not true because he has beaten at least

435
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: what like Yeah, we know that's not true. UM. We

436
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: will talk about that later, but this is the claim

437
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: that he is making in this thing that he writes

438
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: in UM. When he was a young adult, he was

439
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: introduced to a kickboxing trainer and he started training, as

440
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: did his brothers soon after. By two thousand and eight,

441
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: he was the seventh highest ranked heavyweight kickboxer in Brita,

442
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: and a year later he won his first championship and

443
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: became the number one ranked kickboxer in Europe for his division.

444
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Two weeks two years later, in two US and twelve,

445
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: he was the second best heavyweight kickboxer on the planet.

446
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: That sounds very impressive. Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean second

447
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: best kickboxer on the planet. That means you can kick

448
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: to death anybody but one guy. Um, yeah, that is

449
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: not what that actually means. So I'm gonna be honest.

450
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: All of the articles about it, we'll just say he

451
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: was the second best had light heavyweight. Sometimes I'll just

452
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: say the second bex kickboxer on the planet. Um. They'll

453
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: talk about his championships and like, list the numbers. I

454
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: was the first draft of this, actually, I just wrote

455
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: that and then moved on and was like, yeah, he's

456
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: really good at kickboxing. Um, lots of bad people are

457
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: really good at something. I assumed he was, as like,

458
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: I figured that that was true. I looked at his

459
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, which says he has like seventy nine wins

460
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: and nine losses and lists his championships, and he did

461
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: win a bunch of what are called world championships. However,

462
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: that's not how box thing works, because I also looked

463
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: up a bunch of discussions of boxing fans analyzing his

464
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: actual performance, and one thing they'll point out is that, well,

465
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: there's not just one guy who's the best in kickboxing.

466
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Kickboxing is actually an incredibly fragmented sport. And there are

467
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Speaker 1: a bunch of different and I don't know if they

468
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: call him leagues or whatever. There's a bunch of different

469
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: like types of kickboxing championships, and some are more impressive

470
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: than others. Right, Some are people who are really good

471
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: at kickboxing, some are people who are more amateur, and

472
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: Andrew kind of stayed doing the more amateur stuff, and

473
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: he was really good at beating amateur kickboxers. One of

474
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: the critiques people will note who are into kickboxing is

475
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: that the league that he became world heavy or light

476
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: heavyweight champion in only covers Europe. So you guys might

477
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: notice there's a couple of places that are the world

478
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: that aren't Europe that I assume, I assume there's some

479
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: kickboxers in those places, at least one of yeah, at

480
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: least a couple. Um. The other they'll point out is

481
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: that of all of these fights that he had and

482
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 1: he claims like seventy nine wins, they can only verify

483
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: like forty something fights. Because and this is that may

484
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: not mean that he's lying at it's all of the

485
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: ways that the ship gets reported are weird, right, and

486
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: there's so many different weird leagues and ship he might

487
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: be lying about the total number of wins and games

488
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: he was in, but of the things that we can

489
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: verify only this is something kickboxing fans will point out.

490
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Only five of his fights are against guys with Wikipedia pages,

491
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: and that based sounds but but it means like guys

492
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: who are notable enough that they have called like are

493
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: good enough at kickboxing. So he lost fights were against

494
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: like nobodies or you know something. Of the notable five

495
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: fights he was in, he lost three of them. Um.

496
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: The allegation kickboxing fans will make is that he mostly

497
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: fought amateurs to pad his record. Now, everyone agrees he's

498
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: still that's still pretty good at kickboxing, but he is

499
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: not the second He was never the second best on

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00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: the planet Earth at kickbox in. Um, that's just simply

501
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: not the case. Um, And I think it's it's fair

502
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, he's pretty good at kickboxing, he was

503
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: never as good as he claimed. And this is a

504
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: part of the self mythologizing that he engages in kind

505
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: of vastly exaggerating his competency at kicking people a bunch

506
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: with his feet. Um. So yeah, it's also worth noting

507
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: that like the level Tap actually was at did not

508
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: pay terribly well. The per fight amount is impressive. He

509
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: can make between fifty and a hundred thousand dollars per

510
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: fight that he was in, but he was having like

511
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: one or two fights per year, um, which is not

512
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: terrible income. But you you're paying for a coach, you're

513
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: paying for Jim access, you're paying for the medical care

514
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: that comes from this, and he's going to have several

515
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: serious injuries. So he's not living well off of this salary.

516
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: And in fact, he and his brother are living in

517
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: a cheap apartment um I think in Bedfordshire and eating

518
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: as cheaply as they possibly can in order to afford

519
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: to keep being in kickboxing, because it's like, that's kind

520
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: of what it is when you're competing at this kind

521
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: of awkward level that he's at um And Tate relates

522
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: aspects of this himself in a video from and I'm

523
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna play this so everyone can get a look and

524
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: listen to the guy before we can go any further.

525
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: This is from his video on Rumble. This is his

526
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: like you like Rumble, his right wing YouTube, and his

527
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: his channel is called Tate Speech as in hate speech.

528
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: But you guys get it right. I don't need here.

529
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: It is first the first first clip world level athletes

530
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: with no money. We invented a dish that was so bland.

531
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: We called it Flavor because it was the only way

532
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: you could add flavor to the dish. So I had

533
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: the name flavor, but it was extremely bland, and it

534
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: was white rice frozen piece. MR Cheap kidney beans. Kidney

535
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: beans have more protein per d grahams than minced did

536
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: you know that? I found out when I was broke,

537
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: walking the aisles of the grocery store trying to find

538
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: the cheapest protein money can buy. I couldn't bring myself

539
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: to be a vegetarian, so I'd add a little bit

540
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: mate minced beef, and if I was really rich, I'd

541
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: have hoole sauce. And I actually suspect he's probably not

542
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: lying too much there. That seems like a reasonable story.

543
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: And I know some people who are professional athletes at

544
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: that similar awkward level where you're like a pro but

545
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: you're not rich, who are like, yeah, you do whatever

546
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: it takes to like stay fueled, or that means cooking

547
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: giant pots of like not delicious things just to stay anyway,

548
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: that that that seems broadly speaking like, he's probably not

549
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: lying entirely about that. Now he is lying about he

550
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: and his brother being world class athletes. You might say

551
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: he was. That's going to be up to what you

552
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: define that as. But Tristan is not competing in kickboxing.

553
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: He is working as like a coach kind of um.

554
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Although people will criticize in ways that are too weirdly

555
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: nuanced and involved knowledge of kickboxing. So we're just gonna

556
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: move on now. The height of his career as a

557
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: guy who kicks people for money comes in like two

558
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, two thirteen. Um, he two thirteen and thinks

559
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: his last big championship, and not long after that he

560
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: decides to leave professional sports as a full time thing. Um.

561
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Injuries play a major role in this take. Does not

562
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: like talking about vulnerability, but he was worse at taking

563
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: hits than he likes to pretend. Um. He suffered detached

564
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: retina's in several fights and had to have surgery for

565
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: his eyes, so he would like, he's I mean again

566
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: and again. That's the I'm pointing this out because he

567
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: will never admit it. Like, if you're a professional kickboxer,

568
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: at some point, you're going to get hurt. Enough that

569
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: you can't keep doing kickboxing, like we all saw like

570
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Mohammed Ali go from you know, Mohammed al Lee to

571
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: you know a guy who has severe injuries as a

572
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: result of being a boxer. All this stuff is bad

573
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: for you, like you either quit at a certain point

574
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: or it destroys your body and mind the same way

575
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: that like football or whatever does. I mean, we all

576
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: just got a reminder of that a couple of weeks

577
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: ago with um oh, the guy who had a heart

578
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: attack on the Yeah, this is all pretty like normal

579
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: sports stuff, right like you you are when you're watching

580
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: guys do these kind of combat sports. You are watching

581
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: people like mortgage their bodies in the hope of getting rich,

582
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: and take kind of had to accept at a certain point,

583
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: my body is going to give out before I get

584
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: rich doing this. Um. So you know that's the thing

585
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: that he recognizes, and he decides I need to let

586
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: most professional athletes do. I need to find something else

587
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: I can do that's easier on my body that I

588
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: can support myself with. You know, some people open car dealerships.

589
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Some people decide to you know, sell ads for different

590
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: things and and be be pitchman. Um. Some people go

591
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: into professional baseball. Um, Tristan decided to become a webcam

592
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: sex pimp. UM. So that's that's an interesting call. I

593
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: do think history would have been different and fascinating ways

594
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: that that's the choice Michael Jordan had made. Um, Sophie,

595
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: don't give you that look. I m hm anyway, what

596
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that look? You deserved it. I I

597
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: usually do so. For three years, they run a rapidly

598
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: expanding business finding women to act as cam operators. Now,

599
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: this is not an inherently dishonest business. I guess if

600
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: you are, you know, building a studio and building like

601
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: a platform by which you can, you know, bring these

602
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: these cam workers attention and they understand their contracts and

603
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: like it's a reasonably fair split. I don't have an

604
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: ethical issue with building a company that allows sex workers

605
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: to do cam work, right, that's that's fine, um. But

606
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: the business that take interest in operated was not fine.

607
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: It was fundamentally pretty toxic. The Grunt Brothers didn't have

608
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: a environment alright cool. Yeah, I'm gonna quote now from

609
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: an article in The Mirror, which is not an ideal source,

610
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: but it's who entered them about this. And I don't

611
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: know why they would lie about something this shady and gross,

612
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: because it makes them seem like sex criminals. Quote. Some

613
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: of their customers fall for the belief that they can

614
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: have a real relationship with the women they see on screen.

615
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: But Tristan brazenly told the Sunday Mirror it's all a

616
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: big scam, and bragg that he doesn't feel any guilt

617
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: because no one cares and it's their problem, not mine.

618
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: The more punter's handover, the more models earn. Some women

619
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 1: will claim to have crippling university debt, a family member

620
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: in need of private healthcare, or a dream of moving

621
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: to the UK, sometimes even telling men they want to

622
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: meet them. Whatever the excuses, it is a lie, Tristan said,

623
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: so he tells it. He tells a story in this

624
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: article about this guy who wanted to give a cam

625
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: operator twenty dollars his life savings, and Tristan's like, and

626
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: I tried. I talked him out of it. I told him,

627
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, he shouldn't do that. She was actually making

628
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: good money. And then he came back a couple of

629
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: months later and fell in love with another And this

630
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: time I was like, yeah, man, we'll take your money,

631
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: which definitely a lie. Tristan and Andrew Tate have never

632
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: turned down twenty grand that a desperate man offered them

633
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: for lies. But there's no way they're trying to absolutely

634
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: bread and butter. Yeah. Um, I am going to continue

635
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: that quote from the Mirror. But first, you know what

636
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: I am going to continue first is capitalism. I am.

637
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: I am keeping this nightmare engine alive on my own

638
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: by advertising for products on this podcast. So on your own.

639
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: That's it. That's I am. I am the lynchpin holding

640
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: the global economy together. Look after Facebook fell apart, it's

641
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: just me, baby, Oh my god, name another company, Sophie,

642
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: It's just this podcast. Just run the ads. He's out

643
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: of control. Uh, we are back. So um, I'm going

644
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: to continue that quote from the from the Sunday Mirror

645
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: of Tristan Tate being interviewed. He believes he is beyond

646
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: the reach of the authorities because of two lines in

647
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: the terms and conditions. He said, One is broadcasting is

648
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: for entertainment purposes only. That means if a model says

649
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: she has a sick dog or a sick grandma, it

650
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be true. The next is that all

651
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: cash given the models is a voluntary sign of gratitude

652
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: for their time broadcasting. Now I'm not a lawyer. That

653
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: kind of sounds like the tick and their money. It

654
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: does sound like you're taking their money. That said, he

655
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: may be in the right there that the mirror did

656
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: a journalistic thing and they reached out to a lawyer

657
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: to be like, is this true? And the lawyer said maybe.

658
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: But also generally UK laws say that you can't defraud

659
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: people and take their money on fraudulent terms. But also

660
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: the laws haven't kept pace with technology. There's a good

661
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: chance he was in a legal gray area. They did

662
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: not get charged, so probably is fair to say they

663
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: were in enough of a legal gray area that they

664
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: were reasonably safe. And to be like, perfectly honest, I

665
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: suspect they could have done this indefinitely if Andrew Tate

666
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: hadn't been a sex criminal. Um, which is which is

667
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: what we're getting to here. Um. So, Andrew Tate later

668
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: wrote this on his personal website slash Shady Business, teaching

669
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: men to run their own webcam porn studios. This is

670
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: a thing he does later. Um, but this is how

671
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: he talks about his webcam business and how he makes

672
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: it work. How did I become rich webcam? I've been

673
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: running a webcam studio for nearly a game. I've had

674
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: over seventy five girls work for me, and my business

675
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: model is different than nine percent of webcam studio owners.

676
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: Over fifty of my employees were actually my girlfriend at

677
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: the time, and if all my girlfriends, none were in

678
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: the adult industry entertainment industry before they met me. My

679
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: job was getting women to fall in love with me. Literally,

680
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: that was my job. My job was to meet a girl,

681
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: go on a few dates, sleep with her, test if

682
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: she's quality, get her to fall in love with me

683
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to where she'd do anything I'd say, and then get

684
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: her on webcam so we could become rich together. Whether

685
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: you agree or disagree with what I did with their loyalties,

686
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: submission and love for me doesn't matter. You cannot reject

687
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: the results, and the results are simple. My girlfriends would

688
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: do more for me than nine percent of men's wives

689
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: would do for them. So what does that's really gross?

690
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: And like voluntarily listed on his own site, It's just yeah,

691
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: he bragged about this. Now this is potentially him describing

692
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: sex trafficking right especially, that's what if you're if the

693
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: women are not getting Again, there's not like a law

694
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: that says you can't have someone fall in love with

695
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: you and then contract with them to do sex work. Right,

696
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that there's a law against. However,

697
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: if they are not getting paid for it, and if

698
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: they are not being allowed freedom of movement, well then

699
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: what happens is that you have like entrapped them and

700
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: you are sex trafficking them. Right. This is what's called

701
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: law enforcement calls this the lover boy method, right, where

702
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: you get someone to fall in love with you. And

703
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: also this is this goes on. This is a very

704
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: old tactic in like shall we say pimping. Um, We're like, yeah,

705
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: you make a woman feel like or a person be

706
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: in love and dependent on you, and then you kind

707
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: of emotionally abuse them into doing sex work. This is

708
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: a thing that happens that is like a recognized part

709
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: of a criminal enterprise. UM. Now, obviously, getting charges based

710
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: on those words on his website is going to be

711
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: hard to do. UM. But just kind of the stuff

712
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: that he had published for a while was enough that

713
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: people at the time should have known that he was

714
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: up to a what was a likely illegal business. Now,

715
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: if you came across articles about Tight twenty two and

716
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: they went to any to tail about his webcam career.

717
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: The most you were likely to learn was what the

718
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Mirror wrote here. After three years they moved to Romania,

719
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: saying the UK had gone downhill. They have women on

720
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: a number of CD sites. Operators take at cut and

721
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: the rest goes to the studio. So that's that's what

722
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: they claimed for years had happened, like you know, we

723
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: did it in the UK and then the UK got

724
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: woke and so we switched to Romania. That is not

725
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: what actually happened. So they started running this can business

726
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, three years after two thousand twelve

727
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: and they moved to Romania. It's two fifteen now. Just

728
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: a few days ago after his arrest, a story dropped

729
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: made it clear why they actually left the UK, and

730
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with wokeness to the country

731
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: going downhill. Andrew Tate was arrested on suspicion of sexual

732
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: assault and physical abuse in two thousand and fifteen. Vice

733
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: broke the story quote two women told Vice World News

734
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: they were violently abused, one raped, the other repeatedly strangled

735
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: by Andrew Tate and that UK police in the Crown

736
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Prosecution Service mishandled their case, leaving him free to rise

737
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: to global fame on the back of his unchecked misogyny.

738
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: Police took four years to pass their investigation to the

739
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: Crown Prosecution Service, whose job involves assessing whether there is

740
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: a realistic prospect of conviction, at which point the CPS

741
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: declined to prosecute. So that's the reality of why they

742
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: had to leave the UK. Fucking vile, disgusting human beings,

743
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: and it it makes the the timeline makes a lot

744
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: more sense when you know that, when he's like, yeah,

745
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: we had to bounce because you know, things just got

746
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: to woke for us in Romania. And he would also

747
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: he later made the claim that, like, I had to

748
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: leave Romania because in the UK a man can get

749
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: accused of rape for anything, right, and uh, you know

750
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Romania it's much harder to get accused of rape. And

751
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: so I moved to Romanian not because I'm a rapist,

752
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: but because I like freedom. No, man, you were you

753
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: were accused of rape by multiple women um and then investigated,

754
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: and you decided to leave because you didn't know if

755
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: the UK was going to come for your ass at

756
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: some point. Um. And the story is actually a bit

757
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: more fucked up than that, because back in two thousand fourteen,

758
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: a woman who Vice refers to as Amelia filed a

759
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: police report alleging sexual and physical abuse by Tate. She

760
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: claims that she and Tate met in two thousand nine.

761
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: They were friendly for years until two thousand thirteen, which

762
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: is when Tate was transitioning away from kickboxing to webcam pimping.

763
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: The two decided to go out on a series of

764
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: dates at the end of that year, and after several weeks,

765
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: they were in her room when Andrew forced himself on her.

766
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Now she describes him stopping like she tells him to

767
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: stop when he starts like trying to go to have sex,

768
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: and um, she tells him that she doesn't want to

769
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: have sex, and he tells her she She says that

770
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: he like sits quietly for a moment, and then she

771
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: asked him what's going on, and he says, I'm debating

772
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: whether I should rape you or not. What the oh boy, howdy,

773
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: it's um, it's bad. Within an instant, he changed who

774
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: he was. He wasn't the same Andrew that I knew.

775
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: That was funny that would make me laugh. It was

776
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: like his eyes went and I didn't have a clue

777
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: who that person was. Terrifying, disgusting. Oh that's that's horrible.

778
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that happened her. Yeah, and it's so.

779
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: Here's one of the things about this is she goes

780
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: to the cops. He rapes her, and it takes they

781
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: have after that point, she consents to sex. She says

782
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: a couple of times over the next six months um,

783
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: which is not uncommon in situations like this. But eventually

784
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: she goes to the police to make a complaint UM,

785
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: and the police are like, do you want to do

786
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: you want to proceed with charges, right, because that's an

787
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: option that you have in this case, And she decides, obviously,

788
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't I hopefully I don't think I have to

789
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: explain this to this audience, but like, there are a

790
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: lot of horrible personal consequences that can come to charging

791
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: your rapist right to to pursuing the criminal charges, she decides,

792
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: And there is, and this seems like a positive things.

793
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: There's an option in the UK where you can just

794
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: log a complaint and say this guy raped me without

795
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: proceeding with criminal charges, which she decides she doesn't want

796
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: to do at this point, and so that's what she does. UM.

797
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: And then that this is again two, is when those

798
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: two women who worked in his cam studio, UM push

799
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: press charges against him and the police and this is

800
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: a positive step. It's about to get less positive. But

801
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: the police find out, oh, there's a report locked against

802
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: this guy two years earlier, and they reach out to

803
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: Amelia and they're like, more women have come forward saying

804
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: that this guy assaulted them. Do you want your charges?

805
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Do you want your allegations basically to be added to

806
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: theirs in this case that we're building, right, um? And

807
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: she says yes, and she hands over her phone to

808
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: the cops, which contained numerous audio notes because she had

809
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: told Andrew and like texts and stuff like hey, you

810
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: know like you rape me. That's why I don't want

811
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: to know you anymore. And he had responded to her,

812
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: and he had responded to her using voice notes where

813
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: he admitted to what he had done. UM. And yeah,

814
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play a couple of notes of Andrew Tate

815
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: UM here for you, because before we hear him in

816
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: his like fifteen year old boy influencer voice, we should

817
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: hear how he talks to somebody like Amelia when he

818
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: doesn't think it's going to be on the news? Am

819
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: I a bad person? Because the more you didn't like it,

820
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: the more I enjoyed it. I fucking loved how much

821
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: you hated it turned me on. Why am I like that? Why?

822
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I am one of the most dangerous men on this planet.

823
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes you forget exactly how lucky you were to get

824
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: sucked by me. Would you rather me pin you down

825
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 1: and make you do things you didn't like? Or would

826
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: you rather fun you didn't like that? I was thinking,

827
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want to. That's what it is.

828
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm the smartest person on this fucking planet. Are you

829
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: seriously so offended? I strangled you a little bit. You

830
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't fucking pass out. Chill the funk out, Jesus Christ.

831
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: I thought you were cool. What's wrong with you? Oh

832
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: my god? So that's not great. That's not great. That's

833
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: so upsetting, that's so upsetting. Yeah, that's pretty bad. He's

834
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: he's a pretty bad dude. And what's vile? Disgusting, despicable? This,

835
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Like again, normally self diagnosis is the thing we avoid

836
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: on this but like, that's just very obvious textbook narcissism.

837
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I am the smartest man in the world, you know,

838
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: like he is, It's not hard to see what's going

839
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: on with this guy, um, And I don't know his

840
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: dad or like how that all went down, But there's

841
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: there's there's this if you look at the way he

842
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: talks about his dad and his grandpa, there's this need

843
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: to like associate himself with greatness. Um. And I don't know,

844
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: like every everything that's going on here makes sense, but

845
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: it's also so bleak, um And I I don't know

846
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: that there's probably a better better writer and thinker than me.

847
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: My people to draw a more trenchant connection between the

848
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I was talking about about out how

849
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: lack of connection to other men and two older men,

850
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: and how not knowing what your places in society leads

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Speaker 1: young men to feel disconnected and that that can be

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Speaker 1: the root of of of some bad behavior, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that Tate idolizes his dad and is separated from

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Speaker 1: him and becomes so needful to kind of convince others

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Speaker 1: of his greatness while using violence and threats against them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a connection there, um, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's I think kind of worth thinking about. I

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Speaker 1: guess in in in the same continuum. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: this is still stuff like that. I'm kind of muddling

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Speaker 1: through to UM. But it's it's not it's not surprising

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Speaker 1: to me that this guy has this, um, this kind

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Speaker 1: of obsession with his because that's what it's about, right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's never about like that he wanted, you know,

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Speaker 1: sex or whatever. It's about that. It's about power. It's

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Speaker 1: about power. He had this and it's about the fact

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Speaker 1: that she didn't want to have sex with him. Is

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Speaker 1: like an attempt from her to exercise agency, and no

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Speaker 1: one else in the world gets to exercise agency, just

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Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, right, Like that's the way this guy thinks

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Speaker 1: about things. UM, I don't know. There's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on there worth worth pondering. UM, And I guess we

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Speaker 1: will ponder it for a while while we wait for

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Speaker 1: part three of this series, where we will talk about

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Speaker 1: the fallout from these cases and the social media presence

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Speaker 1: that tape builds. When again, nobody knows this at that

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Speaker 1: I mean this, this this young woman knows it, and

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Speaker 1: a couple of police officers know it. But um, as

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Speaker 1: a spoiler, the police don't proceed with the charges. Um,

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Speaker 1: and in fact they it's really fucked up. Um. The

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Speaker 1: police say that they believe her, or Amelia says, what

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Speaker 1: she said to to Vice when they talked to her,

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Speaker 1: is that the police told her that they believed her claims,

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Speaker 1: but they couldn't go forward with the case because there

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Speaker 1: was a shred of doubt about Tate's guilt. Um. Now

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Speaker 1: there's a shred of doubt. And see it does seem

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Speaker 1: like he admitted it, he being a sexual predator. What

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Speaker 1: are we? What are we really cops? There's some fucked

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Speaker 1: up cop gas lighting here because they tell her like, look,

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Speaker 1: going through the process of of pressing charges against a

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Speaker 1: rapist is so traumatic to the woman that we don't

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Speaker 1: do it unless there's no shred of doubt. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to protect you from the ugly court, which is like

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Speaker 1: cop gas lighting is on another level. Um. But that's

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Amelia, That's yeah, it's fucking Bleakum. This

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Speaker 1: whole story is bleak. And after this point, Andrew and

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Speaker 1: Tristan moved to Romania. They move their sex trafficking webcam

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Speaker 1: business to Romania, and we will pick up that story

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Speaker 1: in part three, where it gets a lot bleaker in

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Speaker 1: some ways, but also we get to make fun of

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Speaker 1: Andrew tape videos, so you know something to look forward to.

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Speaker 1: Take your wins where you can get them, kiddos, Um,

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Speaker 1: what do we? Who are we? Who are we here?

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Speaker 1: We're the bad boys and podcasting obviously. Uh well right, Robert,

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Speaker 1: you're I think I think both shows are actually sold out.

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Speaker 1: But you will be at s F Sketch Beest this

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Speaker 1: coming weekend and you'll be doing Behind the Bastard Show,

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Speaker 1: and you will also be doing Francesca Fiorentini. Yeahi's the

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Speaker 1: Bituation Room Show. Yeah, great? In episode out something why why? Yes, Robert,

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Speaker 1: it is a week from when we are recording that.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we will finish recording the Andrew Tate

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Speaker 1: episodes and then I will figure out what the funk

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Speaker 1: I'm doing for this live show that apparently a bunch

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Speaker 1: of you assholes have decided to show up at. God

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Speaker 1: damn you, thank you all for buying tickets. Before we

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Speaker 1: close out, I want to thank again April Clark and

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Speaker 1: Grace Freud of Girl God The Girl Got Podcast. Um,

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Speaker 1: both great comedians. They have an upcoming show at JFO

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Speaker 1: Vancouver on February. People can get tickets for that at

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Speaker 1: Girl Gods Show dot com. They were on the early

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Speaker 1: version of part of this, but I had an emergency

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Speaker 1: and we had to bounce, And now we are recording

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Speaker 1: this late at night because it is the only way

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Speaker 1: that we can make this show work in a way

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Speaker 1: that is we are contractually obligated to. So thank you

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Speaker 1: April and Grace, Thank you Ian and Sophy for being

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Speaker 1: guests on my show last minute. And yeah, you're fucking welcome, Robert,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Everyone else can go to hell though.

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