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Speaker 1: Former Seahawk Fox analyst Greg Olson some great firsthand insight

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Speaker 1: into I Russell Wilson wanted a bolt Seattle for Denver Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Alreadio's Mike miss Anelli, one of the best in the BIS,

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Speaker 1: told me why the Eagles will likely move off Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts and why Philly fans get a bad rap. Also,

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Speaker 1: Chad Millman Dark Horse picks in March Madness but first

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Speaker 1: my top takes of the week. Ownership matters. Paul Allen

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Speaker 1: passed away not long ago. He loved the Seahawks and

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Speaker 1: loved the NBA and the Portland Trailblazers. Under Paul Allen's ownership,

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Speaker 1: were a viable playoff contender, got to a Western Conference Finals,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks got to a couple of Super Bowls, and

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Speaker 1: were Owa's a playoff team. He passes. His sister, Jody Allen,

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Speaker 1: takes over ownership. She does not love sports, and in

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Speaker 1: one year, the Seahawks get fleeced by the Broncos finishing

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Speaker 1: and the Blazers are essentially starting over. Ownership matters. Jody

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Speaker 1: Allen allowed Pete Carroll, a seventy year old defensive coach,

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Speaker 1: to get too much juice, too much control of the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: and they are paying a price. You start looking around

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Speaker 1: at these defensive coaches Vic Fangio, Mike Zimmer, Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera. They don't see what's happening. They don't understand

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Speaker 1: the importance of O line play, elite offensive coordinators, quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is the one that eventually signed off on this,

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Speaker 1: not John Snyder. Okay, Russell Wilson wanted out, and Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: who views himself very highly fired twice before Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: losing record in Seattle before Russell Wilson signed off on this,

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Speaker 1: And they get a couple of firsts, a couple of seconds,

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Speaker 1: some decent players, Shelby Harris, nice defensive lineman, not elite,

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Speaker 1: no offense, very nice tight end. Case of the drops,

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Speaker 1: but a nice tight end. But Seattle has show no

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Speaker 1: indications over the last six to seven years of being

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Speaker 1: able to draft well. In fact, there's an argument to

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Speaker 1: be made that Seattle drafts as poorly as anybody in

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Speaker 1: the NFL in the last half decade. Go to get

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Speaker 1: their drafts forget landing stars, they have struggled to land

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Speaker 1: that lost a great owner, gave too much power to

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Speaker 1: a coach. Pete Carroll is running the show, signed off

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Speaker 1: on the trade. And I talked to a pair of

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Speaker 1: NFL general managers today, one in the AFC and one

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Speaker 1: in the NFC. Both said about the same thing I

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Speaker 1: thought Seattle would get more so did I? If Seattle

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Speaker 1: is at minimum a bridge starter for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we feel differently. Drew Lock is not only not

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, He's not a bridge quarterback. He is inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: Cocky has a much greater opinion of himself than people

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Speaker 1: around the league. Denver has no problem letting go of

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Speaker 1: strong armed Drew Lock. This was a slam dunk for

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. The best quarterback one every division, last year,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's been in this league ten years, nine playoffs,

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Speaker 1: in the toughest division in football. I'm not even sure

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Speaker 1: what equal value is. It is not Drew Lock, a

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Speaker 1: You have to go back to twenty fifteen, seven years

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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, and they just let Russell Wilson go.

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Speaker 1: Here's something else that's not being discussed. The Denver Bronchos

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Speaker 1: drives the price of the Bronchos up three hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: This is what lebron did in Cleveland. This is what

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's done to the Chargers. They're simply more valuable,

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Speaker 1: That's why the Spanos family can move closer to LA

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Speaker 1: left the toughest division in the NFL, one in which

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Speaker 1: I believe people tell you what matters to them with

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Speaker 1: GM's better in Denver, the O line's better in Denver,

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Speaker 1: much better. He'll take on Mahomes, Herbert and Derek Carr.

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Speaker 1: Russell's about winning. Aaron Rodgers knowing he doesn't have an owner,

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Speaker 1: nine ers, Aaron Rodgers wanted the money. Aaron Rodgers is

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Speaker 1: probably now the highest paid player in the NFL. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. But Aaron Rodgers told you what mattered.

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Speaker 1: He could have gone to Denver with better weapons, or Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Aaron told you, I want comfort and I want money,

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Speaker 1: and it should be noted it's an easier division. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's a bad move, but green Bay will

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Speaker 1: They don't have an owner. They're not a top free

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Speaker 1: show up. They got hammered by North Carolina. You know,

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Speaker 1: I tell my kids all the time that don't get

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Speaker 1: with the owner the GM. Dennis Rodman coaches. Phil Jackson

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan never won a playoff series without Scottie Pippen.

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Speaker 1: And he's arguably the best basketball player of all time.

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Speaker 1: It's hard. Coach K won over five hundred more games

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Speaker 1: Ian O'Connor, coach K he was almost fired when he

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Speaker 1: To me, the common thread is ooa's fight and resilience.

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Speaker 1: book by Ian O'Connor. It is remarkable the struggles for

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Speaker 1: according to Adam Schefter, are going to move off expensive

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Speaker 1: wide out Amari Cooper, I don't love the move, and

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Speaker 1: between winning playoff games and losing them. But what do

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Speaker 1: we learn from the Amari Cooper situation. Well, I've always

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Speaker 1: I would pay big money rarely, with total discretion, and

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Speaker 1: Cowboys paid Ezekiel Elliott not only early, two years early

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Speaker 1: at a position running back that most shrewd general managers

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Speaker 1: don't believe you ever pay early because it takes more

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Speaker 1: of a physical beating than any other position that touches

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Speaker 1: the football. Can't hit receivers, can hit tight ends, can't

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys front office is now paying a price for

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Speaker 1: a move that was very, very easy to predict. They

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Speaker 1: And Dallas isn't a win now window, right, They're not

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Speaker 1: screen with the playbook, like sharing his screen half the

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Speaker 1: board where he could write on it talking through. Then

426
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: he stepped back and he was taking me through two

427
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: minute signals in his office like it was in the

428
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: middle of the huddle. And I came down after it

429
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: was probably a good hour hour and a half, right,

430
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: So my wife said, the pool with the kids at

431
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: spring break and I come down, She's like, how was it?

432
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: And I said, I've played with a lot of really

433
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: good guys, a lot of really talented guys who did

434
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Speaker 1: it right. I'm not sure if I've ever been around

435
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Speaker 1: what I just experienced, Like it was a really really

436
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: this is March, Colin, this is March. It wasn't even

437
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: we were a month away from Otia's, two months away

438
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: from Otia's, let alone, the season. It didn't matter if

439
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: it was March on a zoom call during spring break

440
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: or the day before the Sunday game we played the

441
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Rams to end the season in the playoffs. Every single

442
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: day he was the exact same way. And I think

443
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: that's the greatest compliment that I could pay them. The talent,

444
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: the arm, the running, like that's easy. Everybody. Everybody can

445
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: just see that with their own eyes. The greatest compliment

446
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: I can give them was it didn't matter the significance

447
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: of that individual session. He never let it alter his approach.

448
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: And I think that's like the best way I could

449
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: sum them up. All Right, we bring in somebody who

450
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: does really good work and has done work great work

451
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: for a long time. In fact, I don't bring other

452
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: talk show hosts on my show very much. I bring

453
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: Mike Missinellion a couple of times a year. He's got

454
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: big opinions, he's smart. In Philadelphia is a highly competitive

455
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: sports market, so to be able to win that market

456
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: for years and years and years is really something. And

457
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: Mike works at ninety seven point five the fanatics. It's

458
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: as good as any sports talk radio market in the country.

459
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: Highly competitive and devoted fans. You know, it's funny, Mike.

460
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: Since I've moved to FS one, especially in the last

461
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 1: three years, people have said, Colin, you're doing a lot

462
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: of la sports, and I keep telling everybody, yeah, because

463
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: all the teams here win. I would love I talk

464
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: about Philadelphia all the time on my show because you

465
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: have like interesting teams. The Jets are terrible, the Giants

466
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: are terrible, the Knicks are terrible, the Nets are a mess,

467
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: the Mets are you know, it's funny what's happening to

468
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: your neighbors in New York. It's just bad management, bad owners,

469
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: bad teams. Conversely, Philadelphia is kind of fascinating. So let's

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Speaker 1: start with the sixers. We said on our show. I thought,

471
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: I said, listen, like the coach I like Mbib, I

472
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: like the talent, I like the chemistry. It's a winning culture.

473
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought Harden when engaged. You know, there's

474
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Speaker 1: some Kobe analytics here. He's virtually unstoppable. Are you a

475
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: little surprised? How seamless, how quick, how joyful it looks. Yeah,

476
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Speaker 1: first of all, good to see a colin and thanks

477
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: to kind of words, this sound's upside down right. And

478
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: it took the first few games with Harden in the

479
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: lineup to get this flow going and the energy here

480
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: right now for this team. I lost the heat last

481
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: night and Hard did not play, but you know, his

482
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: first home game on Wednesday was just the roof was

483
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: about to blow off. And I think in Philadelphia, when

484
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: you give these fans a team that is pretty good

485
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: enough to possibly win something, the town just lights up.

486
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: And also it helps to have a star, and in

487
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: this case, they have two stars that are working together

488
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: very well. Their spacing has been the most amazing thing

489
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: you can right now that with those two guys in

490
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: the lineup, they space very well. Their only flaw right

491
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: now is the strength of their bench. But you know,

492
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Speaker 1: when you look back at all the teams that have

493
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: won their bench wasn't really that strong. Their starters were

494
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: really strong. So these guys are gonna play close to

495
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Speaker 1: forty minutes once the playoff time comes. And if they

496
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Speaker 1: can avoid that first round matchup with the Nets, which

497
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: I think is a little precarious, this team can actually

498
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Speaker 1: get through the NBA finals. I'm not a Ben Simmons

499
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: fan because Mike. I've always believed there's one thing you

500
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: can't coach or teach indifference. It's just like your business.

501
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: You love Philadelphia, you love sports. There's a lot of

502
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: guys with a good voice. If you don't love this stuff,

503
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: it's too much crap with advertisers and management, and it's

504
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: just you've got to love it. Like, I don't get

505
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: the Simmons thing. Give me stories. When did you just

506
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: say I'm over him? Well, I think they are now.

507
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: It's funny ooh. When this thing first happened, it was

508
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: just hard to comprehend that one guy would be willing

509
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: to blow up an entire season and an organization. Frankly

510
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: keeping the organization kind of in limbo over this. But

511
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: you're right about it. I know we had like four

512
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: years to study the guy. He has absolutely no ability

513
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: to self evaluate you know, when this thing happened, the

514
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: reasons why he was criticized were valid reasons. He did

515
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: not take a shot and four straight fourth quarters in

516
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: a playoffs and they lost to an inferior team. So

517
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: when Doctor Rivers said what he said, I know that's

518
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: going to rub a player the wrong way, and he

519
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have said it. But a guy with self

520
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: evaluation should be able to look at and say, you

521
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: know why that hurt. But maybe he's right, and I've

522
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: got to do some things to change it up because

523
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: he's just absolutely paralyzed in a game to take a

524
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Speaker 1: jump shot and doesn't realize that that's wrong. You know,

525
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: it was always everybody else fall and not Ben Simmons,

526
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: and you go back like psychological but I hate to play,

527
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, psychologist, armchair psychologist. But he was raised to

528
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Speaker 1: be a prince of sorts. He was like the prince

529
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Speaker 1: of his country and his parents. I think we're very

530
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Speaker 1: much enablers with his talent, and he was the next

531
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Speaker 1: thing that that was going to come. And so I

532
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: believe that his brain has hardened into the point where

533
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Speaker 1: he does not think he has any flaws at all,

534
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Speaker 1: and to just hold out for an entire season. It

535
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Speaker 1: was just not realizing what that was going to do,

536
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: not only to hear to the philophia, but his own

537
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: career was just mind boggling me. Yeah. There. You know,

538
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Speaker 1: there was a scouting report when he left college that

539
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: said he wasn't always highly competitive and crucial moments, and

540
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: that is a total red flag. The fact that he's

541
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Speaker 1: ducking the game against the Sixers is a complete red

542
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: flag to me, right, it's totally But you know, as

543
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: soon as that he was traded, there was no way

544
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: that he would you know, everybody here fall there's no

545
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: way that he was going to make that game, although

546
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: people did get sucking to buy in five hundred dollars

547
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: tickets for that game, and there's no way he's going

548
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: to face this kind of music coming back after after

549
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: all that had happened. But you know, just the progression

550
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: of the whole thing was just so ridiculous. Like he

551
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: showed up because his agents said, if you don't show

552
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: up and take part, they're not going to pay you,

553
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: and so he came back and thought that they were

554
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: just going to pay him, and so what he did

555
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: was didn't want to participate doc Rivers practices or his

556
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Speaker 1: drills and thought he was going to be able to

557
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: get away with that, and then they said, okay, well,

558
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: if you're not participating, you're not really satisfying the requirements

559
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: of your contract, so you're not gonna pay it. And

560
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: then the mental situation came up, and it's really it's

561
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: tough to talk about that because it keeps you at Bay.

562
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: You know, how can you make a judgment on how

563
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: guys feeling mentally? But we all thought it was just

564
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: a ruse for him to try to collect money, and

565
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: it did. They started to pay him, and then he

566
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: said he was seeing somebody on his own, and then

567
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: the Sixers couldn't verify that he was seeing somebody on

568
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: his own, so they would help money again, and he

569
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Speaker 1: just didn't get it. So he got what he wanted.

570
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: He goes to Brooklyn and now it's back because he

571
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: thinks that in the NBA it's just easy to miss

572
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: a whole season and not work out and then come

573
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: back and play at an NBA level. So now he's

574
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: got legitimate back injuries or whatever it is. But the

575
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Sixers think about this deal because a lot of people

576
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: said at the start of the deal, Oh, how could

577
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Speaker 1: you give up a backup centers, valuables, drumming and a

578
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: shooter like Curry. Well, basically what they did was they

579
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: traded Ben Simmons for a superstar in James Harden. And

580
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: as soon as hardens come that fans really didn't pay

581
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: enough attention to Harden's game. What's that up? Most of

582
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: all about him? He's a smart player now, he just

583
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: knows what to do on a basketball floor, and he's

584
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: made everybody around them better, especially Tyre Maxie, who's going

585
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: crazy right now. Well that's the interesting Maxie and he

586
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: are an interesting because Maxie, by the way, wants the ball,

587
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: highly athletic. I mean, he's an interesting player. Is there

588
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: any concern that that could be it could be agitating

589
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: that that may not be ideal. No, And he's been

590
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: freed up, Tyres Maxie with Harden on the floor, has

591
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: been freed up to do when he does best, which

592
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: is he's kind of a combo guard, and he saw

593
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: him at Kentucky. He just flies and hardened, creating space.

594
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: It makes Maxie so much better, and he's fearless and

595
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: Harden's kind of taken him under his wing. Halftime the

596
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: other day against that game on Wednesday night. Hardens goes

597
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: up to him a halftime and says, all right, you

598
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: ready by now he had four points in the first half,

599
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: so in the second heay, he just took charge, and

600
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: Calipari was there. I was sitting rip behind Calipari, who

601
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: had come to see him, and Manuel Quickly and Randall

602
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: and all those Kentucky guys, and you know, he says,

603
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: this is the way Tyres he plays. I was talking,

604
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: will Bay just get him out in the open, get

605
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: him out in space when he has to be the

606
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: point guard? He will. And they've been doing that. When

607
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: they take heart now they make sure they keep maximum

608
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: fourth to Vice Hars, he's just a fun loving kid

609
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: who loves to play the game with no pretensions at all. Yeah,

610
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: let me pivot to Jalen Hurts. So I've been highly

611
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Speaker 1: critical of Tua in Miami, and my takeaway is he's

612
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: not a playmaker with his feet, and he's not a

613
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: playmaker with his arm. He can't do anything off script.

614
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: So if you're a little smaller than ideal size, you've

615
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: got to give me something special. I defend Jalen Hurts

616
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: saying a little small I don't think he's a great thrower,

617
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: but he is absolutely too productive as a playmaker not

618
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: to give another year. That's my interpretation. But in Philadelphia,

619
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: what are they saying about. Well, you're probably right when

620
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: you look at it logically, really, because I don't think

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00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: the Eagles believed that. I think the Eagles, if they

622
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: had a chance to make a deal, Russell Wilson's been there,

623
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: white Whale. They didn't draft them. They were sorry they

624
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: didn't draft them. They've loved them ever since. I don't

625
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: think he's going to be available, but they've been also

626
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: interested in de Shaun Watson. I think that they do

627
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: want to upgrade the position. I don't think he's got

628
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: They have total belief in Hurts, and I don't think

629
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: he played to that level where you go. They have

630
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: total belief in them. Now, if they don't do anything else,

631
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: he's obviously going to get one more year to do it.

632
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because in the draft they have three

633
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: first round picks. Whether they save one of those picks

634
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: for next year, when the quarterback draft will be a

635
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: little better than it is this year, is the question.

636
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: So I don't believe they will draft a quarterback. I

637
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Speaker 1: do believe that Hurts will will get one chance to

638
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: do it. But it's funny that you bring up Hurts

639
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: because when they drafted them, I thought it was the

640
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: biggest organizational failure I had seen in healthy sports because

641
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: of the way thing just crashed and burned on him.

642
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: And one of the lynch pins was it that they

643
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: drafted Hurts and Wentz really did not take it well

644
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and so uh like, they didn't figure that would happen,

645
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: and the Wentz thing just just blew up. And so

646
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: when it blew up, they had the biggest salary cap

647
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: hit in the history of football at thirty eight million.

648
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: That's to me not a success. I always thought the

649
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Eagles were well run, and then over the course of

650
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: a year you hear the Doug Peterson story, the owner

651
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: meddling Howie Roseman, and we heard some of that with

652
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, but hey, he's a college coach and Chips

653
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: an odd bird, and I like Chip. He's an odd bird,

654
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: So okay, that's that's not that's Chip. And then Doug Peterson,

655
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: who's kind of liked, I mean, most of my NFL

656
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: guys they kind of liked Doug. I mean, is he

657
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: a great coach? He kind of likable guy and then

658
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: you hear stories and again there's meddling, and it's like

659
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: is this a shit show? Like do they know what

660
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: they do? They know what they're doing. So I wanted

661
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: you to give me a Philadelphia you, how is ownership

662
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: in the front office for you? Because I when Nick

663
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Sirianni held his press conference, initially, I thought it was embarrassing.

664
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what to say. So did we

665
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: and we had We had a blast with him. But

666
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: it's really an interesting dynamic here with this uh with

667
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Laurie. I believe Um likes to get involved, and

668
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: at first it didn't seem like he did. The theory

669
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: is that Hurts was his pick, that that Roseman really

670
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: wasn't on board taking Hurts in that position. But Laurie's

671
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: one of these guys that will watch college football on

672
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Saturdays and think that he knows something that he really

673
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know. And I think he's had a lot of

674
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: input because of that. Now Roseman is strategic and that

675
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: he knows he's the trusted voice and Laurie believes it.

676
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: So his brilliance is to convince Laurie that he really

677
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, and so the Laurie has eminent

678
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: trust in him. His drafts have been horrendous in the

679
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: last three years, and everybody is nervous here that with

680
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: three number one picks in that I call it the

681
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: danger zone because it's the teens going towards twenty where

682
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: Roseman has made a lot of mistakes. So yeah, it'll

683
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: be it'll be interesting to see what they do here.

684
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm a draft nick. I'm a dork. I love it.

685
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: I love college football. Philadelphia is not a big college

686
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: football town. I grew up in Seattle. The Huskies won

687
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: a national title. I was a USC fan. I worked

688
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: in Tampa, so I followed the SEC and I've been

689
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: to a lot of these stadiums. I like it. You know,

690
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I grew up with it. I like it. It's a

691
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: bad draft. I have a lot of NFL executives and scouts.

692
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: I know everybody wants to trade down. It's just a

693
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: bunch of b players. I think the kid out of

694
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Michigan the pass rushers, probably your safest bet. But he's

695
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: not t J Watt. I mean, there is no Fletcher

696
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Cox in this draft. There is no Aaron Donald, there

697
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: is no Chase young on the defensive front. And I

698
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: kind of look at where the Eagles are poised and

699
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: I think to myself as I watched them last year,

700
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, they got into the playoffs, hurts probably in

701
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: Nick Serriani, probably ten fifteen percent improve. The division is

702
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: still weak, and I'm like, can they get three starters?

703
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you have an elite corner, you kind of

704
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: have to rebuild a little bit. Your line play. It's old,

705
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: like where in not a great draft, though you have

706
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: a nice supply of picks, Like where would you say, Okay,

707
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: here's three picks go in this direction. Well, I don't

708
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: know where they're going to go, but they're they're they're

709
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: very line oriented. So and you're right, I don't know

710
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: who's gonna They need a pass rusher badly, and uh,

711
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, Derek Barnett is probably not going to be

712
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: bad yet, Brandon Graham coming back from terrible injury and

713
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: he's old. So they desperately need a pass rusher. And

714
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: they're probably going to take who's ever left on the board,

715
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: whether that's a Jabo, whether that's Carlottus Perdue or the

716
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: kid from Florida State that they like. The the Senior Bowl,

717
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: so I believe that will be their first round pick.

718
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: They also need a corner. They need a linebacker more

719
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: than any other team in the league, and they just

720
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: won't pull the trigger on a linebacker in that spot,

721
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't expect it. They'll go linebacker if they

722
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: keep three picks, which I doubt they would probably go.

723
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Two of them will be defensive, but they'll also be

724
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: intrigued to take a wide receiver in that position if

725
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: they do that. Howie Roseman admits that Jalen Reagor was

726
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: a failure, and I'm not sure he's ready to admit that.

727
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: So I know your guests is as good as mine.

728
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: But they need defensive players, and a lot of people

729
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: here want them to take three defensive players with those

730
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: three picks, but I don't think that's going to happen.

731
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: I think they'll trade one of those picks. Make sure

732
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: to check out the dram On Green Show. I brought

733
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: Draymond Green into the volume because one of the more

734
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736
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738
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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring in Chad Millman, Chief content Officer,

739
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: Action Network. Sharper Square all numbers according to FanDuel. So

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Speaker 1: before we get into football, which we will, the difference

741
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: between casual sports betters and sharps to me has always

742
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: been college basketball. The really sharp guys can feast on

743
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: it because there's thousands of games. The sportsbook can't can't

744
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: watch and monitor all of them. There's money to be made.

745
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: So here's the depth of my college basketball. I've watched

746
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: Kentucky play four times, okay four times, really really good offensively.

747
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: There are Gonzaga offensively, but more force. They have more

748
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: physical so offense wins a lot in this tournament. There

749
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: are teams we see these that just over the course.

750
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: You have to win this tournament. You need six games.

751
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: You can't go dry for a game. You've got to

752
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: have scores it. That's why Gonzaga has so much damn success.

753
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: They don't play real defense, they're never physical, they're just

754
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: really slick offensively. They score ninety five a game. They

755
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: get to the tournament that goes down to eighty five.

756
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: That's why Gonzaga keeps winning. It's not because they're the

757
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: best athletes or NBA guys. They score, they've got a system.

758
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: So this is a real offense for Kentucky. I know

759
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: they're not a dark horse, they're plus eight hundred, but

760
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: that's my Calipari wins' second title is my hot take

761
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: going into March Madness. What say you? It's Look, it's

762
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: really an interesting take. And you think about the fact

763
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: that Calipari has only won once all these teams over

764
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: the years, whether it was you know, U mass Or

765
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: with Marcus Camby or Meantis with Derek Rose, and now

766
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Kentucky with the years and years of all Americans and

767
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: sort of the one and done talents. At the fact

768
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: he's only got one is actually astonishing. And it's not

769
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: a bad choice. Like not just because at eight to one.

770
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: Look like no professional better is going to say to you, yeah,

771
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: take the eight to one number because they like odds

772
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: that are longer. That's just how they like to play

773
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: the game. But what's really interesting about Kentucky is they're

774
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: playing in the best conference, the SEC by far. That

775
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: is where you're getting battle tested, right like Gonzaga is

776
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: not getting battle tested. Gonzaga is at about three and

777
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: a half to one right now. Auburn and Alabama this

778
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: year both really good. Alabama Tennessee Auburn, Like, those are

779
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: four teams that can beat anybody, as they have proven

780
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: all year long. Obviously, Arizona is about six to one

781
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: right like the Pact twelve. That's not scaring anybody. So

782
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: then you got Kentucky and then after that, like it

783
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: gets really interesting because Duke no one's really buying Duke

784
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Baylor has been injured all year, Kansas has had issues. Auburn,

785
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: while great, has then been inconsistent. You start to get

786
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: down into that mid like lower tier. I do think

787
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: Purdue is a really interesting team. But it's interesting we

788
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: fall in love with Big ten teams because Big ten

789
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: basketball ratings get pretty damn good ratings. They really do.

790
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: Michigan State games, Indiana games, Ohio State games. Go look

791
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: at the history. How many Big ten teams get to

792
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: the final four. I mean, even Izzo total class program.

793
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: I think we overvalue. Here's why we overvalue Big ten teams.

794
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: We watch them more. Secondly, they've got so many great

795
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: home court environments in that part of the country. They

796
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: like college basketball arguably more than the NBA. I mean,

797
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: these are arenas are stacked and jammed. So the environment

798
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: when you're watching Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue in Indiana is

799
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: out of this world good and it gets us kind

800
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: of wow. This feels big. Big Ten teams, I always

801
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: feel like they're a little overvalued. When I was at ESPN,

802
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: I walked into you can remember this. There are these

803
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: multi purpose conference rooms, right, and when the tournament comes around,

804
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: they set them up like war rooms, and there's huge

805
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: screens everywhere and food being ordered and everyone is just

806
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: around watching the games, kind of working, but mostly watching

807
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: the games. And I went down there. It was my

808
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: first year when I had become I had been editor

809
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: in chief of the magazine, then took over ESPN dot Com,

810
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: and you know, the people like when I took over,

811
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: there was a divide, right like ESPN dot Com that

812
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: was hardcore, that was daily, that was hundreds of stories

813
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: a day, thousands of stories a year, and like the magazine,

814
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: we were Gloton's right, we're coming out every other we

815
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: where that got a very precious product. All this kind

816
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. I sat down and I said to the

817
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: college basketball editor for ESPN dot Com at the time,

818
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: who I had just started working with. I'm like Michigan

819
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: State Izzo overrated, Like never advanced the way you think

820
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: they would, always number one, number two, never really get

821
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to the spot, always underperform. And everyone looked at me

822
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: as if I was the devil who was coming from

823
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: someplace that didn't know anything about sports, moving into where

824
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: they really talk about sports. And it turns out that

825
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: might be right, and you agree with me. That makes

826
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: me feel better all the easiest. Later I feel better. Well,

827
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: the sec our immediate image is SEC football, but they

828
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: have over the last ten years had more success in

829
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: the tournament. And that's without Kentucky being as good as

830
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: we think. The last great college basketball team was Florida

831
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Dally Donovan. That was the last great college basketball team.

832
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: How about the ruin our Kansas had last year? And

833
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: Arkansas is another one, Like you're going to be afraid

834
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: of Arkansas, Like it's just going to be a team

835
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: that you're going to have to be looking out for.

836
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: And you're totally right about college basketball being a professional

837
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: betters game. When I did the Odds, which featured Alan

838
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: Boston from Vegas, who you know, which I tracked these

839
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 1: guys who bet on sports for a living. That entire

840
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: book was about college basketball and about the interplay between

841
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: bookmakers and gamblers and how that those moments, the time

842
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: when bookmakers are setting a line and betters are betting

843
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: into that line, create a cataclysmic event that reverberates through

844
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: the entire sports betting world because it is billions of

845
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: dollars based on these small decisions these guys are making.

846
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: And it's the betters like Alan Boston, who at the

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Speaker 1: time was one of the biggest and best college basketball

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Speaker 1: betters in the world, has an impact in a way

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Speaker 1: that is much more far reaching in terms of the

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Speaker 1: betting community than the NFL because the NFL is just

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Speaker 1: harder to win it. Yeah, it's you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons I like Kentucky is I do think like

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Speaker 1: like Baylor played real defense last year, but they had

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Speaker 1: some NBA players as well. And what made Baylor special

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Speaker 1: is they could muscle Gonzaga late, but they had scores

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Speaker 1: on the wing. You know, I've heard for years, you

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Speaker 1: can defend your way through the tournament. It's six games,

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Speaker 1: you've got to drop buckets. You're gonna face NBA players

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Speaker 1: at some point in this tournament. You've got to score baskets.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's stopping at the college level. A top ten pick

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. It's why Gonzaga to me, that runs

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Speaker 1: a highly highly efficient offensive system. It's not they have

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Speaker 1: the best athletes. They really really know what they're doing offensively.

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Speaker 1: And when I look at Gonzaga this year, I've watched

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Speaker 1: them about ten times because Mark Fuse a buddy, I

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Speaker 1: still look at this team that can get pushed around.

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Speaker 1: I still I think they're just offensively. Watson can get

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Speaker 1: your bucket on the wing. They've got the homegroun. The

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Speaker 1: kid from minnes Soda who weighs about a buck fifty.

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Speaker 1: I think you can push him around. Um So, I

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Speaker 1: think I'm gonna sell a little stock. Even though they're

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Speaker 1: the odds on favorite this year, I think there's I

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Speaker 1: think Baylor gave you and you cla to a degree,

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Speaker 1: gave you a little bit of a roadmap. Get physical,

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Speaker 1: get in their face, uh, contest every shot, and Gonzaga

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Speaker 1: gets a little uncomfortable. It's like you drop in Mark

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Speaker 1: Fuse and Buddy like on the show. Yet I know

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Speaker 1: I did. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening to the show.

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, Sierra came up to me at a

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Speaker 1: at a super at a dinner, at an at a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: What was this at dinner? I'm like thinking, where was

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Speaker 1: he at? Because I saw him the Wednesday of super

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Speaker 1: Bowl week at his party, and like, you don't even

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Speaker 1: like to go out that much, like you don't like

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood scenes. So where were you at? Where are

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Speaker 1: you saying? I tell me? So I went to my

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Speaker 1: wife and a friend. It was a wheels up party,

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Speaker 1: and I fly him three or four times a year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really a private jet guy. I flight Delta.

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Speaker 1: I like veteran pilots with gray hair, tight pants, shirts

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Speaker 1: that are buttoned up and pressed. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: go too much private, preferably military expertise. And they had

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Speaker 1: thrown they had flown thirty five combat mission after Vietnam. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm a Delta guy. But I go to the

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Speaker 1: wheels Up thing because I have friends inside the company

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Speaker 1: and I go to a couple of times a year.

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Speaker 1: We take our dogs to Utah. Nobody cares about this.

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Speaker 1: So I go to the party and it's a bunch

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Speaker 1: of stars, first of all, Alex Smith, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Montana.

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Speaker 1: Two things became abundantly clear. I'm a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: The second thing. So Russell comes in and I see

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Speaker 1: Mark Rogers's agent and Russell, and Russell waves, but he's

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Speaker 1: got just getting mobbed. And as I go over to

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Speaker 1: say hi to him, Sierra moves in front and says,

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Speaker 1: oh God, we love you. I love you. I didn't

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Speaker 1: hear a thing after that. It didn't matter that she

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Speaker 1: said the show She's the best looking human I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I'm not joking. I just I was like, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and I have a piece of chicken palm,

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Speaker 1: fall to sleep and dream about what could have been

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Speaker 1: with Sira and yeah. So my takeaway is that was

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Speaker 1: my Cira party. So I don't do this much, but

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Speaker 1: I do think it's important that I sound like a

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Speaker 1: big deal. The two times a year I see famous people.

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Speaker 1: The currency you can get from one or two moments

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Speaker 1: because people extrapolate and they assume it's Colin cowhern He's famous.

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Speaker 1: He's you know, as Russilo pointed out in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like people are buying Cowherd again, like he's not as

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Speaker 1: you know, he's like he's a media mogul all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, but they're back in his stock, is right.

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Speaker 1: And so even if like you're spending most nights like

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Speaker 1: me with your notifications turned off at nine PM and

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Speaker 1: gilded Age on HBO Max because you love Christine Bransky,

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Speaker 1: people think it's a mystery, because yeah, I watch man

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Speaker 1: Hunt on Acorn done, my favorite channel, Acorn TV. If

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Speaker 1: I hadn't already watched man Hunt, I'd probably be watching it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so good. Yeah, so good. So

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Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it everyone, Like in

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Speaker 1: Zoom every once in a while, like I'll pop in like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was at this event, and like people

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Speaker 1: are like, he's it, He's at everything right, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. But I could say it once

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Speaker 1: or twice, and you know, it carries. I get it.

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Speaker 1: By the way, my wife never walked someone. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a podcast, but since she looks like your wife, Chad,

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Speaker 1: my beautiful redheaded wife, just walk in. What can I

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Speaker 1: help you with, honey? If you need anything? She wanted

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Speaker 1: to know if I need anything? Is that the best?

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Speaker 1: She is lovely, no princess good things. She didn't walk

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Speaker 1: in just time. Who at the Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: go to our YouTube page at the Volume Sports. Subscribe

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