Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
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Speaker 1: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up On
Speaker 1: a SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I am Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger. We talk
Speaker 2: SVU True Crime. We have celebrity guests, but up top
Speaker 2: we chit chat, we cat chat.
Speaker 3: What's going on? Kara, not too much, Lisa.
Speaker 1: I'm excited because you and I are getting back on
Speaker 1: the road very soon in June, and I just want
Speaker 1: to really quickly remind everybody that we're going to be
Speaker 1: in San Francisco at Cobbs on June eighth, out last time, guys,
Speaker 1: get your tickets. We had the best time in Diffrancisco.
Speaker 1: Then Tempe Improv in Tempe, Arizona on June fifteenth, Denver
Speaker 1: Comedy Works on June twenty fifth, and we've got a
Speaker 1: big LA show at the Bourbon Room. The Bourbon Room
Speaker 1: is a hot comedy spot. Now I'm seeing all these
Speaker 1: good comedy shows are on their Instagram. So guys, if
Speaker 1: you live in La, it's a really cute club. They've
Speaker 1: got great little snacks and drinks. Come and see our show.
Speaker 2: And just to add the June sixteenth and seventeenth, I'll
Speaker 2: be in Phoenix, Arizona doing stand up, and then June
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, one night in Denver doing stand up.
Speaker 1: You know you want to do a double feature of
Speaker 1: TMU and Lisa, So go get your tics. And that's
Speaker 1: all of our tickets are at. That's messed up live
Speaker 1: dot com for our show.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like in Arizona we're gonna jump.
Speaker 4: In a pool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: You can also find us at a pool. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: so a bunch of people have sent me this article.
Speaker 1: Did you hear about this woman who lives in Utah?
Speaker 1: She has three kids, her husband died and she wrote
Speaker 1: a children's book about grief and she has recently been
Speaker 1: charged with his murder.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, she gave him a fucking ventanyl cocktail. But
Speaker 2: how wasn't it not caught? Don't people know when something's vental?
Speaker 2: I know, it's really confusing. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Like basically she said she brought him a moscow mule
Speaker 1: in bed. Wow, and that like she went to go
Speaker 1: lie down with one of her kids who was like
Speaker 1: having a nightmare, and then she came back and he
Speaker 1: was cold to the touch, and a medical examiner said
Speaker 1: that he died from a ventinal overdose. He had five
Speaker 1: times the lethal dosage in his system. I don't know
Speaker 1: why the authorities like didn't immediately suspect her. I guess
Speaker 1: maybe they thought he like did drugs that was dosed
Speaker 1: with ventyl or something like, because ventyl overdoses are so
Speaker 1: like common now. So then she wrote this book about
Speaker 1: like wait, what is the book called. It's called like
Speaker 1: are You with Me? Yeah, it's called are You with Me?
Speaker 1: And like, you know, she gave interviews about it and
Speaker 1: like told people like, you know, my amazing husband blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Then it's like she apparently tried it days
Speaker 1: before and the husband said to a friend, I think
Speaker 1: my wife is trying to poison me.
Speaker 3: And then she did it. So my question is, what
Speaker 3: did he do? What did he do? Why did she
Speaker 3: kill him? Like he must have done something. Well, she
Speaker 3: might have just wanted to write this book. Yeah, that's way.
Speaker 1: She could have just write a book about like a
Speaker 1: worm trying to achieve his dreams or something like she
Speaker 1: had to write a book to kill her husband and
Speaker 1: write a book about it.
Speaker 3: Wow, now you have to write a secret.
Speaker 2: I think it's Munchausens. I think it's Munchausen by proxy vibes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well no, because I maybe poisoning is in the air
Speaker 2: because I saw something online where a woman got poisoned
Speaker 2: to death in her smoothies.
Speaker 3: He was the husband was putting something in the SMOOTHIEA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's the old like the old anti freeze thing,
Speaker 1: because anti freeze, like it used to taste like gatorade
Speaker 1: or like very sweet, so you would just like put
Speaker 1: it in gatorade or put in any sweet drink and
Speaker 1: like no name, but they change the taste of it.
Speaker 1: But like this girl, it's so crazy to this girl
Speaker 1: just like looks like a sorority girl and like it's
Speaker 1: just wild that she was like sourcing fentanyl, like she
Speaker 1: asked someone gave her hydrocodone pills and then she goes, no,
Speaker 1: I need something stronger like some of the Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: stuff and specifically as for fentanyl from somebody that she
Speaker 1: said a client needed it.
Speaker 3: Or something like that.
Speaker 2: Crazy, right, But everyone just helped her because I feel
Speaker 2: if like a weird looking dude was like I need
Speaker 2: fentanyl for my they would be like, you're gonna murder
Speaker 2: your wife?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just let her go.
Speaker 1: I mean she killed him in March of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: and then she just got arrested in.
Speaker 2: May, so it's really she didn't even get to party
Speaker 2: too long. But in that quick of times, she wrote
Speaker 2: a book. I mean, yeah, she got it done.
Speaker 3: She got it done. Women's done. Yeah, murder write a book? Listen?
Speaker 2: Did I I didn't know any crime stuff this week,
Speaker 2: but I did watch two shows in full completion this weekend.
Speaker 3: Ooh, what did you watch?
Speaker 2: I watched Jewish Matchmaking on Netflix and then I watched
Speaker 2: Beef with Ali Wong.
Speaker 1: Was I the one that told you about Jewish Matchmaking
Speaker 1: because I texted you about it?
Speaker 3: Maybe I was already into it? No?
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: Tova had it on her Insta story and I really
Speaker 2: didn't want to do anything, and I went, h a
Speaker 2: gift from God, and I put it on and I
Speaker 2: just sat all day. And I do like her. I
Speaker 2: like her style a little more than Seema from Mumbai.
Speaker 2: If we're comparing Indian and Jewish matchmaking. Wow, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think Seema is still a little too old world where
Speaker 2: it's like you.
Speaker 3: Don't get everything you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta settle, you know, Like and this one
Speaker 2: seems a little more like open to meeting the people
Speaker 2: where they are. But one guy, I mean one guy,
Speaker 2: it was just like he needed blue eyes. It's just
Speaker 2: I don't know. But the girl was too good for it.
Speaker 2: I mean it was great.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm honestly pissed. I don't have a season two immediately.
Speaker 2: That's my I know, smatch it. But Beef is incredible.
Speaker 2: That one of the best shows I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life. The acting is insane. Give Ali Wong an
Speaker 2: oscar for a TV show, that's how I feel.
Speaker 3: I really want to watch it. She looks so good.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't know she was that phenomenal. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is insane. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I gotta watch it. Yeah, and wait, there is an
Speaker 1: s vu alum in it. Who's Calvin's mom Maria Bello? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's in it. She's in it?
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God we're sick. Who's Calvin's mom Maria Bella? Like
Speaker 1: I knew it in two seconds.
Speaker 3: Amazing. No, Beef it's like wild.
Speaker 2: And I watched Tricksy and Katia watch it on YouTube first,
Speaker 2: and so I was talking to a friend yesterday about
Speaker 2: it and he was like talking about the huge cliffhanger,
Speaker 2: like the cliffhanger is the huge moments that shocked him.
Speaker 2: But I already knew them going into it, and I
Speaker 2: was still on the edge of my seat terror, like, like,
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen next?
Speaker 3: It was it's like phenomenal. Is it like ten episodes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because honestly, every towards the end every episode, I
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's the last episode and then there
Speaker 2: was more. It was like, oh, I stayed up all night.
Speaker 2: I stayed up all night. Oh my god, you're like
Speaker 2: me and my Damages era. Yeah, Damages I never got
Speaker 2: into even though I'm a Glenn Close fan.
Speaker 4: Oh you should watch it.
Speaker 3: It's not too late. It's so fucking good. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was obsessed. What is it? Is it politican? What's damages?
Speaker 1: It's lawyers high high like class action like high level lawyers,
Speaker 1: but it's it's the first thing I ever saw Rose
Speaker 1: Byrne in so like and she's like this young lawyer
Speaker 1: coming to it and Glenn close is like the fucking
Speaker 1: It's got a bit of a House of Cards vibe,
Speaker 1: you know, like masterminding and like evil that you can't
Speaker 1: even comprehend, like of people doing things for their own gain,
Speaker 1: and like it's wild, but I love it so much.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, how was how was the strike yesterday? How?
Speaker 3: Oh ye striking?
Speaker 1: I I am not a member of the Writer's Guild
Speaker 1: of America. I would like to be, and my husband
Speaker 1: is a member. And we went to strike for what
Speaker 1: they're very fair demands that they're asking for of these studios.
Speaker 1: And we went to Netflix and it was kind of
Speaker 1: a great social event. I saw my friend from Drag
Speaker 1: Race that I haven't seen in a long time.
Speaker 3: I saw like just.
Speaker 1: A bunch of like a girl that I sort of
Speaker 1: know that I walked with her for a long time
Speaker 1: in the picket line and we talked about her last
Speaker 1: experience on her show and it was cool.
Speaker 3: Oh, Michael McKean was there. You know who he is.
Speaker 1: He's like in a million things, like he's in Better
Speaker 1: Call Saul, and like he's in Spinal Tap and like
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And he's married to a net O'Toole
Speaker 1: who's like another like well, known actress. I was picketing
Speaker 1: with my friend and he just goes to her because
Speaker 1: you walk by each other, and he just like walked
Speaker 1: by and went, I loved you in it, thank you,
Speaker 1: and like kept walking because she's in the original it.
Speaker 1: Like he was just saying that movie like terrified him
Speaker 1: as a child. So anyway, it was like you get
Speaker 1: and they brought cookies, like a net otool gave me
Speaker 1: a cookie. Like it was really it feels really nice,
Speaker 1: like everybody's really in solidarity. I will say it's week two.
Speaker 1: This is expected to go on for three months. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that everyone will be as chipper when it's like
Speaker 1: the sun scorching July and we're all still marching outside
Speaker 1: of like Disney and Netflix.
Speaker 2: But well, guess what, so I look up this Michael McKean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: guess what he's been in SVU? Oh wait what SVU
Speaker 2: has he been in? Okay, so it's from twenty each
Speaker 2: Well Father's Shadow Season thirteen, episode thirteen, spooky, but I
Speaker 2: I would have to click on it because that's oh,
Speaker 2: it's with the like the ginger boy from Shameless is
Speaker 2: in it too.
Speaker 1: He's a It's it's the it's the one with the
Speaker 1: country singer in it too.
Speaker 3: Isn't it Lambert? Yeah? Is it not?
Speaker 1: The Maranda Lambert episode. Isn't he like to be a producer?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Maria Lambert's in this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a fame situation where he's like making
Speaker 1: people like take off their clothes or whatever for auditions
Speaker 1: and stuff, right, like, yeah, totally. Oh my gosh, wow,
Speaker 1: get him when I see him on the picket line again.
Speaker 3: Strike to the pod. Yeah, oh my god. Wow.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was really cool, and I hope everybody that's
Speaker 1: listening looks into like what the WGA is fighting for,
Speaker 1: because honestly, you're talking about Beef being such a good show,
Speaker 1: Like shows like this are not going to exist. If
Speaker 1: they start doing rooms of like three people and a
Speaker 1: com and a fucking AI computer robot writing television shows,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be good anymore. And they're just
Speaker 1: trying to kind of like cut corners and basically get
Speaker 1: rid of TV writing in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 1: all the streamers are acting like, we don't make any money,
Speaker 1: and it's it's insane to say that, because I think
Speaker 1: we all know they have millions and millions.
Speaker 3: So that was fun, and we're gonna get this show
Speaker 3: on the road. Yeah, guys, don't go anywhere. We got
Speaker 3: a good one all right.
Speaker 1: Today we are doing Asunder. We're taking it back to
Speaker 1: season two, episode seven, Lives Got Spiky Hair. This episode
Speaker 1: came out December one of two thousand, So we're in
Speaker 1: a uh.
Speaker 2: Honestly the best year. If I can go back to
Speaker 2: two thousand, I would love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, what was Oh two thousand was a great
Speaker 1: year for me. I was on my semester abroad in Rome.
Speaker 1: I had the time of my life.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I was in high school. I wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to go back to being in high school. But I
Speaker 2: just meet in terms of like Britney Spears, yes thereteen
Speaker 2: nine eleven. Yeah, we just wanted to like dance. Well,
Speaker 2: I was young. I don't know. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I said that. I regret it. I don't have a
Speaker 2: strong case.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a lot of things you
Speaker 1: like are from that time period, because a lot of
Speaker 1: like your musical tastes and the things that you like
Speaker 1: develop at that time of your life.
Speaker 3: So it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's so funny to me that like
Speaker 1: when I was like turning twenty in Rome like drink it.
Speaker 3: You were thirteen. Like it's so crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I know now, like age differences doesn't matter, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: imagine when I was like twenty and I like ran
Speaker 1: across you. It was like, I'm gonna have a podcast
Speaker 1: with this thirteen year old one day. But she seems
Speaker 1: really fun. Yeah, you could have made money babysitting me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would not have listened to me, I'm sure. So
Speaker 1: this episode's called Asunder. I just looked it up really quick,
Speaker 1: and the it means a part divided, and the example
Speaker 1: on Google is those whom God hath joined together, Let
Speaker 1: no man put asunder.
Speaker 3: I think that might be about marriage.
Speaker 1: So that's probably where it comes from with this episode,
Speaker 1: which is wild. Okay, so we're covering this episode and
Speaker 1: it's crazy because it opens on a guy watching an
Speaker 1: episode of Jerry Springer and as of this taping, Jerry
Speaker 1: Springer just passed away like last week.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and what I saw a lot less like
Speaker 2: Posts than I imagined. It was like the least of
Speaker 2: any celebrity I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I only saw a couple posts.
Speaker 1: Was it like a weekend or was it like or
Speaker 1: was something else overshadowing it?
Speaker 3: Like I was surprised too. It didn't get like someone
Speaker 3: just told.
Speaker 1: Like my husband told me, and then I don't remember
Speaker 1: anything else because we all grew up on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to go see Ringmaster in the theater, and
Speaker 1: I remember it was one of the first movies I
Speaker 1: ever went to where we me and my best friend
Speaker 1: were alone in the theater.
Speaker 3: We were like this rules.
Speaker 1: We were just like talking and like, you know, having
Speaker 1: fun during the movie because we could. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: paid money to see that man's movie. Like, yeah, nobody
Speaker 1: really talked about it. I guess in the influencer chart
Speaker 1: that's in New York Magazine, he's considered lowbrow and terrible.
Speaker 1: I get, you know, or you know, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if people appreciate what he brought to the culture.
Speaker 2: I saw one meme where it was like that he
Speaker 2: would just have like a Klukux Clan dude and a
Speaker 2: black dude just fistfighting, and then his final words would
Speaker 2: be like we all got to get along and give
Speaker 2: each other a chance.
Speaker 1: It's like the final thought, the final thought, that's where
Speaker 1: our post mortem comes from.
Speaker 3: So we got to give that to Jerry's Springer.
Speaker 1: Our final thought, our post mortem of our podcast is
Speaker 1: basically a Jerry Springer final thought.
Speaker 2: But the one that I remember that will never leave
Speaker 2: my brain is it was a couple and they love
Speaker 2: puking on each other.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And the man came out and puked like green slime.
Speaker 2: It didn't look like it looked like.
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters green ecdoplasm, but like opaque slot. It just was
Speaker 1: like it looked but he puked all over her and
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm sure they gave him some kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't look like a like we know what
Speaker 2: puke looks like.
Speaker 1: And it was just way more smooth. We sure do,
Speaker 1: because my son just puked in the night last night.
Speaker 1: So the crazy thing is he doesn't wake up. He
Speaker 1: just isn't that scary? Yeah, No, he he just was.
Speaker 1: I could hear him coughing, and so I went there
Speaker 1: to check on him and he had thrown up like
Speaker 1: it was dropped like it had been hours before.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Okay, So this we open on the sky.
Speaker 1: Let's go from puke to domestic violence, puke to put
Speaker 1: We're going from puke back to Springer. So he's watching
Speaker 1: an episode called Wild Weddings, uh, and like a woman
Speaker 1: comes out in a bridal dress and immediately starts fighting
Speaker 1: with a man. So that's definitely a cursor, like a
Speaker 1: foreshadowing of the rest of the episode. And then he
Speaker 1: hears real life Springer episode coming through the wall. He
Speaker 1: hears the voices of a man and a woman screaming
Speaker 1: at each other. Then he looks out the window where
Speaker 1: he sees the man and the woman taking their fight
Speaker 1: to the street. She follows him down the stairs and
Speaker 1: now we're outside with them. She's got a frying pan
Speaker 1: in her hand, and she says she can't wait till
Speaker 1: this guy. She goes, I can't wait till you die
Speaker 1: so I can spit on your corpse. And then she
Speaker 1: calls him a freak, and then she launches this frying
Speaker 1: pan at him that hits him like right in the
Speaker 1: back of the head, like where the head meets the neck,
Speaker 1: and he's and it's like the.
Speaker 3: Sound effect but it's bunny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sound effect is like bunk, like it's bad,
Speaker 1: and he's like grabs his neck and then he turns
Speaker 1: around and his face is furious. So he runs after her.
Speaker 1: She looks scared. She starts running back up into the building.
Speaker 1: He catches her, grabs her by the hair, and starts
Speaker 1: shoving her back in the building. They disappear into the
Speaker 1: building and all we hear is a scream from her
Speaker 1: when we cut to the svu's squad room.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we want to touch on
Speaker 2: this now or wait till later, But this guy's in
Speaker 2: another SVU.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, oh, I have a little.
Speaker 2: Pedof uh, well, not really a PEDOPHI I don't know
Speaker 2: how to I don't know.
Speaker 1: What he well, I'll tell you both of them. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you both of them. The actress is Amy Carlson.
Speaker 1: She's a regular on Blue Bloods for like a million apps,
Speaker 1: and she was actually a regular on the failed Law
Speaker 1: and Order Trial by Jury.
Speaker 3: She was like on all the episodes of that.
Speaker 1: SO and then the man is played by Nestor Serrano,
Speaker 1: who was also in the episode called Obscene, which you
Speaker 1: might remember as the Lewis Black Dana Delaney episode. But
Speaker 1: he marries a sixteen year old child star of the show.
Speaker 1: He is directing SO, but he's also in a ton
Speaker 1: of other stuff like movies, TV, Like you've seen him
Speaker 1: the man works, so though, that's our two, our two
Speaker 1: leads of this episode. So he cuts to the SVU
Speaker 1: squad room and Munch is explaining to a victim how
Speaker 1: important it is to preserve all the evidence and is
Speaker 1: trying to convince her to get to the hospital. When
Speaker 1: the camera pans around, we do see it as the
Speaker 1: woman from earlier, the actress Amy Carlson from the last scene,
Speaker 1: and she's like, so this bast kard rapes me and
Speaker 1: you waste time And it's like, I don't understand, like
Speaker 1: this is the procedure, like you out to go like
Speaker 1: without proof, I don't know what you think is going
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know why she thinks gathering evidence
Speaker 1: is a waste of time, but she is actually probably
Speaker 1: very traumatized. And Munch is like, if you'd be more
Speaker 1: comfortable talking to a female detective, and she said, I'll.
Speaker 3: Be happy to talk to anyone with half a brain.
Speaker 1: So immediately Munch and this woman are at odds and
Speaker 1: she hates Munch from the jump. Munch says, there's five
Speaker 1: stages of grief, try not to go through all of
Speaker 1: them at once, and she goes cute and then she
Speaker 1: tells much I don't need SOP explained, which is standard
Speaker 1: operating procedure. She goes, I don't need SOP explained, I
Speaker 1: don't need a rape kit, and I don't need you
Speaker 1: to hold my hand.
Speaker 3: So she's pissed and why are you there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she obviously knows cop stuff, right, So Munch is like, listen,
Speaker 1: prior consensual sex does not matter. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you're still in a relationship with this person. And then
Speaker 1: she admits this is my husband, the person who assaulted me.
Speaker 1: And Munch is like, let's go to the doctor and
Speaker 1: then give us an address and we'll go pick up
Speaker 1: your husband right now. And she looks conflicted, and then
Speaker 1: she admits he's a cop. His name is Sergeant Lloyd Andrews.
Speaker 1: He's in homicide at Manhattan South Boom take us to
Speaker 1: the credits. So it's interesting how it's like, we'll just
Speaker 1: go pick him up right now. But then him being
Speaker 1: a cop throws a whole wrench into the episode.
Speaker 3: So in yeah, in the squad room.
Speaker 1: Now everyone's filing into Daddy Craigan's office and Craigan turns
Speaker 1: to Jeffreys.
Speaker 3: She's still hanging around.
Speaker 1: I thought she was gone by the beginning of this season,
Speaker 1: but she's still around, and Craigan goes care to join us,
Speaker 1: and Jeffries is like super sarcastic and goes, I'd love to,
Speaker 1: but I have all these reports to file and coffee
Speaker 1: to make because she's been put on desk duty since.
Speaker 1: If you'll remember at the end of season one, in
Speaker 1: the finale when they all got evaluated by Broadway legend
Speaker 1: Audrey McDonald, they all got psyche VAL's and hers came
Speaker 1: back that she was like, you know, kind of engaging
Speaker 1: in risky behavior, and she admitted that she saw a purp,
Speaker 1: not a purp, a guy they liked for a crime.
Speaker 3: She saw him like at a bar and ended up
Speaker 3: going home with him.
Speaker 1: So they think she's engaging in this like self destructive behavior.
Speaker 1: She's been put on desk duty and taken out of
Speaker 1: the field. Craigan walks over and is like, I want
Speaker 1: you on my team, but only if you want to
Speaker 1: be here, and she's like, it's nice to be wanted.
Speaker 1: She is a sarcasm queen, and then she's like, gotta go.
Speaker 1: These aren't going to file themselves, and Craigan looks like
Speaker 1: kind of stung, and so now we're in his office.
Speaker 1: Finn explains that Patricia Andrews, who is our blondie woman,
Speaker 1: she says her husband raped her in this morning. She's
Speaker 1: got a sprain wrisk but no other sign of abuse.
Speaker 1: And we see Craigan's fold up cot is in the
Speaker 1: corner again, making an appearance like it is very there
Speaker 1: and there are things on top of it. Bunch is like, well,
Speaker 1: my partner forgot to mention that the alleged purp is
Speaker 1: a cop, and Finn's like, I didn't mention it because
Speaker 1: it's not important, at least not to me. And I
Speaker 1: love that Finn a king as always, and he's new
Speaker 1: to us. For you, this is like this is maybe
Speaker 1: his seventh episode because he's only came in season two.
Speaker 1: So Patricia's husband has twenty years on the force and
Speaker 1: has a high closure rate and Benson's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he makes the brass happy, but he's a
Speaker 1: rare and Munch is like, not so fast. Alleged rapist.
Speaker 1: Munch is like kind of uncool in this episode. He's
Speaker 1: like acting like denying. He goes on to say, like
Speaker 1: basically denying your husband's sex is a breach of contract
Speaker 1: and calls it contractual abandonment, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: not a good take and a good look for you.
Speaker 3: Munch and Live is like not good at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually just got into a healthy debate. It
Speaker 2: wasn't really like it didn't get dark or anything with
Speaker 2: someone who's like, but what is a wifely duty? Because
Speaker 2: I think that's all coming back on like Instagram and
Speaker 2: explore bait like it.
Speaker 1: Because a black guy that also that, that gross right
Speaker 1: wing guy Stephen Crowder was like yelling at his wife
Speaker 1: for not being like not fulfilling her wifely duties, and
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's been talking about that.
Speaker 2: And then I just went off and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what are the husband duties? I'm like, no one is
Speaker 2: like fixing gutters and building spice racks.
Speaker 3: Like the men have flopped.
Speaker 2: The men are not bringing any husband duties to the table.
Speaker 3: And then the women don't want to fuck the men.
Speaker 2: And it's sand of all, sorry to bring him up again,
Speaker 2: but it's like Arianna is telling you I need an
Speaker 2: emotional collection, I'm not really attracted to you right now,
Speaker 2: and he's just in a corner being like shit out,
Speaker 2: fuck me, and it's like, yeah, you're al Bundy, Like
Speaker 2: you're not doing the dishes, you're not cleaning, you're not
Speaker 2: looking hot, you're not taking care of the kids.
Speaker 3: And then you want someone to want to fuck you.
Speaker 3: That seems crazy. If you want someone to fuck you, you
Speaker 3: gotta spice it up. You got to make them want
Speaker 3: to face. It doesn't even need to be that spicy.
Speaker 1: You just need to give like basic connection, take a
Speaker 1: shower life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god.
Speaker 2: But it's just like dudes like not being like not
Speaker 2: getting their wives wet and demanding sex while not like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't want to fuck you, you're not doing your husband duties.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more of that shit in this episode,
Speaker 1: as you know, and it's really gross, like like, well, wait,
Speaker 1: what was them I the asshole? You were about to
Speaker 1: bring up? Oh, I was just gonna say there was
Speaker 1: a fucking Am I the asshole?
Speaker 3: It's like, am I the us? Well?
Speaker 1: I only shower once every two or three weeks. I
Speaker 1: don't think I smell, but people keep telling me I do.
Speaker 1: And I was like men are men are out? Forget it?
Speaker 1: Like we're done with you guys, Like I can't. Like
Speaker 1: everybody was like bro take a shower like it was incredible.
Speaker 3: It was incredible.
Speaker 1: Well because people are now letting you know you that
Speaker 1: you smell. Yeah, yeah, I just thought maybe you'd seen that.
Speaker 1: Now I get this. I get this. Ask Aubrey Instagram
Speaker 1: where she just gets good and I the assholes and
Speaker 1: they're always the most inflammatory ones.
Speaker 3: And so those are the ones I'm seeing and I
Speaker 3: don't follow her.
Speaker 1: They're just in my feed constantly on Twitter and stuff,
Speaker 1: which I have to.
Speaker 3: Get off of because it's a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so Live is like to Munch, She's like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: wife is property when in nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eighty or the idea that you want to fuck someone
Speaker 2: who's not into it that's sick in itself.
Speaker 3: That they just have to give it to you, like
Speaker 3: and that would be fow Is that some way? Yes?
Speaker 3: How is that enjoyable at all? It's wild?
Speaker 2: Well, so you know my new favorite podcast, Stradio Lab
Speaker 2: I can't stop talking about. Did I already talk about
Speaker 2: the Aaron Jackson episode is about like weaponizing oral sex
Speaker 2: is very straight to him. They were saying they're a
Speaker 2: bunch of gay dudes and they're like, yeah, we will
Speaker 2: give a receive warl at any moment. And his theory
Speaker 2: is like, it seems like women hate giving blowjobs, but
Speaker 2: they'll do it on a man's birthday and the man
Speaker 2: doesn't mind that the woman hates it, and then she's
Speaker 2: like and then he's like, that seems weird, and then
Speaker 2: he's like and then it seems like if men love
Speaker 2: eating pussy, they're gay and must be beat up.
Speaker 1: Like I just you know how I've been watching I've
Speaker 1: been watching The Sopranos one episode at a time on ELSA.
Speaker 1: There's a fucking episode of The Sopranos where one of
Speaker 1: the big guys is good at eating pussy and they
Speaker 1: fucking his girlfriend tells a couple of friends and the
Speaker 1: word gets out and he fucking throws a cream pie
Speaker 1: in her face and breaks up with her because everybody
Speaker 1: found out he was good at going down on her, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 2: So it's just this funny episode of but they were
Speaker 2: just like I don't get it, Like if you know, oh,
Speaker 2: your girl hates it, but that's part of it for you.
Speaker 2: It's just like what is straight culture? Just like extradio,
Speaker 2: open your legs and I don't care if you hate it,
Speaker 2: like and then you deny.
Speaker 3: You guys are freaks. It's just all so layered and twisted.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even know, but we I mean,
Speaker 2: we've were you know, SVU afficionados. And even the episodes
Speaker 2: where it's like sex like trafficked women that are chained
Speaker 2: to a bed, that are drugged up, like guys.
Speaker 3: Are going to Kijuana and paying for.
Speaker 2: It, it's like, yea great, I don't understand the like,
Speaker 2: I guess the misery is part of it for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is. I think we've found that the
Speaker 1: misery is the power. It is part of it. Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But another another nice lesson from THISVU universe.
Speaker 1: Yes, so live is like yelling at munch and is like, dude,
Speaker 1: wife is property. Went out in nineteen eighty four when
Speaker 1: the law realized that married women can say no, and
Speaker 1: she's referring to people versus liberta, which is a when
Speaker 1: the New York courts struck down the state's marital rape exemption,
Speaker 1: and so now husband's convicted of raping their wives could
Speaker 1: be sentenced to two to eight years in jail, the
Speaker 1: same as anyone else convicted of rape, and they joined
Speaker 1: seventeen other states including New Jersey, Connecticut in California, who
Speaker 1: had already eliminated those exemptions, and at the same time,
Speaker 1: in that case, the court held that women as well
Speaker 1: as men could be prosecuted for rape, which is an
Speaker 1: episode we just did. So now, Craigan is like, let's
Speaker 1: talk to the wife and make sure she knows what
Speaker 1: the score is, and Finn's like, are you doubting her
Speaker 1: commitment or that it happened? Like Finn is immediately the
Speaker 1: hero of this episode, Craigan's like, I don't know his side,
Speaker 1: and IAB is going to be up our asses, so
Speaker 1: we better, you know, cross all our t's and dot
Speaker 1: our eyes. And Finn says, I don't think his bad
Speaker 1: should cushion the blow? And Craigan's like, dude, have you
Speaker 1: ever fucked with IAB? No, then do it my way,
Speaker 1: and Craigan's like, go canvas. The neighbors get some info
Speaker 1: on the couple, and then Munch and Finn go to
Speaker 1: talk to Patricia again. So Stabler is like, if it
Speaker 1: turns out he did do it and we don't follow
Speaker 1: standard operating procedure, we're gonna get buried in it. And
Speaker 1: Craigan goes, that's gonna happen regardless. So now we're in
Speaker 1: an interrogation room and Patricia is smoking a cigarette and
Speaker 1: Munch is like, no smoking, ma'am, and then she blows
Speaker 1: it in his face and puts it out on her sneaker.
Speaker 1: Kind of love it. They have to read the statement
Speaker 1: and then sign it, and they're like, where's your husband
Speaker 1: right now? And she goes every day he plays pickup
Speaker 1: basketball with some cop friends before his shift, and Munch, I.
Speaker 2: Thought you were about to say pickleball, and I was like,
Speaker 2: get the fuck out.
Speaker 3: Of here, No, stop it.
Speaker 1: I don't think pickleball existed in two thousand, even though
Speaker 1: now it's the talk of a goddamn town. Munch says
Speaker 1: he wants to hear her side of the story again
Speaker 1: and she's like why, and he's like, you better get
Speaker 1: used to telling your story. And she asks Finn if
Speaker 1: he's married, and he says no, ma'am. And then she
Speaker 1: goes to Munch, I know you're not. No one would
Speaker 1: have you, and I love that, and then he goes,
Speaker 1: are you always this pleasant? And she goes, so you're saying,
Speaker 1: I got what was coming to me, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: being very cool, has good bedside manner. He's like, ma'am,
Speaker 1: no one deserves what happened to you, you know, like,
Speaker 1: let's figure this out. And she explains they've been married
Speaker 1: for five years. She's seen him get crazy, but never
Speaker 1: like this. They usually fight, they have makeup sex. She
Speaker 1: can't believe it got this bad. And then Munch is like,
Speaker 1: did he maybe think this was makeup sex sex? And
Speaker 1: she goes, I don't consider a choke hold to be
Speaker 1: played four play. Detective Munch goes and a pot to
Speaker 1: the head turns him on, Like everyone's acting like this
Speaker 1: pot to the head made it so like tit for tat,
Speaker 1: Like you throw a pot at someone's head, you get raped,
Speaker 1: and it's like not an apples to apples here. So
Speaker 1: Munch is being a victim blamer again, and she's like,
Speaker 1: you guys aren't gonna do shit, and she just starts
Speaker 1: to walk out, and Munch is like, if your story
Speaker 1: holds up, I'm gonna go arrest him, cuff him, process him,
Speaker 1: and lock him up in a cage. I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure you know what's up. And she's like,
Speaker 1: what do you take me for? And then she just
Speaker 1: signs the statement. So She's obviously got her story straight
Speaker 1: and ready to ready to go. Now, Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: are over at the Jerry Springer guy's house and they're
Speaker 1: asking him all about the Andrews and he calls them
Speaker 1: the Springers, which I love. He goes, oh, you mean
Speaker 1: the Springers and they're like, no, the Andrews. He goes,
Speaker 1: nobody knows each other around here. To me, they're the
Speaker 1: Springers and I love that. And he's like, they're better
Speaker 1: than the show. They fight every day. The cops come,
Speaker 1: but then the husband pulls them aside and then they leave.
Speaker 1: He always wondered if he was paying the cops off.
Speaker 1: And then he describes the whole situation with her nailing
Speaker 1: in with the pan and he's like, then he just
Speaker 1: turned around snatched her inside the building. And he says,
Speaker 1: I didn't see her hear anything else, so which is
Speaker 1: hard to believe because he can hear them through the walls,
Speaker 1: and if he was, like, but I guess if he
Speaker 1: choke hold her, like, maybe she couldn't scream or anything.
Speaker 1: But anyway, in Cragan's office now where two dudes walk in.
Speaker 3: It's detectives Santiago and.
Speaker 1: Howard, and they're IAB clearly, and one goes to shake
Speaker 1: Craigan's hand and he just leaves him hanging, and it's
Speaker 1: so good. He's just like, can I help you? And
Speaker 1: Craigan's like, what's up? Is it my case or is
Speaker 1: it yours? And Howard's like, we don't do sex crimes.
Speaker 1: So Craigan's like, cool, then get the hell out of here,
Speaker 1: and Howard's like, we get you.
Speaker 3: Why you hate us?
Speaker 1: IAB brought down your mentor, and I would hate us too,
Speaker 1: And apparently this is something that happened on a Law
Speaker 1: and Order episode called The Blue Wall where IAB took
Speaker 1: down Peter O'Farrell and Craigan was involved in that.
Speaker 3: So this guy goes, listen, IAB's different.
Speaker 1: Now we've changed, and Craigan's like borrowing some sarcasm from
Speaker 1: Jeffreys and goes, wow, that's comforting.
Speaker 3: And then the other guy goes.
Speaker 1: We're not here to grind your wheat. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that. That's not a good saying, and farming culture.
Speaker 1: Farm culture always gets in there. They go, we just
Speaker 1: want SVU to take it slow at this case. You know,
Speaker 1: use kid gloves, let's have some finesse and Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: since when does iab care about finesse? And then these
Speaker 1: two dickheads reveal their true asshole nature and they go,
Speaker 1: we marry them just so we can have sex available.
Speaker 3: How do you rape a wife?
Speaker 1: Keep in mind the law, Like the law changed saying
Speaker 1: that marital rape is real sixteen years earlier, and these
Speaker 1: fucking idiots are still like, how is that even possible?
Speaker 1: Like it's your wife, She's just a fucking piece of meat.
Speaker 1: And Craigan is like, oh my god, like you can't
Speaker 1: even believe these guys. So they cut to Live exiting
Speaker 1: a bodega with coffees for her and Elliott and Stabler
Speaker 1: fills her in that there's been four domestic disturbance complaints
Speaker 1: at the Andrews address, but no arrests. Same two unis
Speaker 1: every time. Clarkson in Powell and these two are on
Speaker 1: a break, So they get in a car and they
Speaker 1: go hit up the diner where these two cops are
Speaker 1: having lunch, and as they get there, speaking of what
Speaker 1: you were saying about blowjobs, they get there just as
Speaker 1: this other guy is finishing a street joke and Olivia
Speaker 1: finishes the punchline and the punchline is basically the joke
Speaker 1: is basically like the groom's mother says to the bride's mother,
Speaker 1: why is she smiling? And the bride's mother says, oh,
Speaker 1: because she just realized she never has to get on
Speaker 1: her knees again. And like, Olivia finishes that punchline and
Speaker 1: it's like a hole I looked up the street joke.
Speaker 1: There's many different versions of it, but Olivia is acting like,
Speaker 1: I'm one of you. I love when I love jokes
Speaker 1: about blowjobs. Just kidding, I'm about to tear you a
Speaker 1: new one. And so they slide into the booth and
Speaker 1: she's like, what's up with They're both like what's up
Speaker 1: with all these domestics And they're like, it's no big deal.
Speaker 1: We handled at the scene. And Benson and Stabler are
Speaker 1: not letting them off the hook. They're like four domestics,
Speaker 1: that's three too many. And they're like, look, he's a cop,
Speaker 1: we did him a favor. And Benson's like, so you guys,
Speaker 1: look the other way, no matter, what is that in
Speaker 1: your cop manual?
Speaker 3: Stabler because it.
Speaker 1: Sure is how Ain and mine and they admit that
Speaker 1: sergeant his wife fight loud and hard. It blows hot
Speaker 1: and then it's over and the wife likes to throw shit.
Speaker 1: So that's what they get from this conversation with these guys.
Speaker 1: Stabler's now walking and talking with Craigan and Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: break it down for me, like how real is this
Speaker 1: whole thing? And Stabler's like it's hard to say. They
Speaker 1: break up to makeup. She's a bruiser, he might be
Speaker 1: a rapist. Craigan's like, well, the guy's not going to confess,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, well, let's let the ADA decide, and
Speaker 1: Craigan says, well, she might not have a chance. IAB
Speaker 1: wants us to flush this whole thing, and they say
Speaker 1: there's some other agenda on or this could be coming
Speaker 1: back to bite us, and Stabler's like, well, let's interview
Speaker 1: the husband. Craigan's like, he's just going to lawyer up.
Speaker 1: His lawyer's gonna turn you know, he's gonna get his IAB.
Speaker 3: Rep and he's going to turn him into a deaf mute.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I just want to get a
Speaker 1: read on this guy before he gets wise to this
Speaker 1: whole thing, and so he basically tells Sabler, you can
Speaker 1: go do some unofficial digging, like not a full interview,
Speaker 1: but whatever.
Speaker 3: So Stabler shows up.
Speaker 1: At the pickup basketball game and he's got a tank
Speaker 1: top on and he's ready to dunk, and it's really funny.
Speaker 1: One of the guys that is playing the game is
Speaker 1: Detective Danny Tatum, and we've seen him before. He's in
Speaker 1: that episode Countdown where, you know, it's like the Jim
Speaker 1: Gaffigan episode where where the little girls and the parties
Speaker 1: and everything, and he's like, I just remember in that
Speaker 1: episode then being like.
Speaker 3: Oh, you think we messed up back in Queens, Like
Speaker 3: you know, oh, yeah, I do love Countdown.
Speaker 2: I thought it was one of the ones that I
Speaker 2: hate where it's like an old guy is dying and
Speaker 2: he's like, you need to solve the case.
Speaker 3: Yes, I die.
Speaker 1: That's why I went, Yeah, we have twenty four hours
Speaker 1: before the execution. We got to find out that last
Speaker 1: victim's location. Yeah, I hate those, but I love Countdown.
Speaker 1: Candy corn Yeah that was a Candy Correy episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I take my Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this guy has been in a few episodes and
Speaker 1: he's like a transfer from Queen's Maybe SVU to Manhattan Homicide.
Speaker 1: So Elliott, like I said, tanked up ready to shoot hoops.
Speaker 1: He introduces himself like he's not lying who he is.
Speaker 1: He says he's Elliot, Stabler's he's SVU and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh tough gig. I heard they rotate you guys out
Speaker 1: every two years, and it's like, lol, half of them
Speaker 1: have been in there for over two decades.
Speaker 3: And then Andrews who is Lloyd?
Speaker 1: Andrew's the the main like you know, alleged rapist here
Speaker 1: is like, oh live, victims are needy.
Speaker 3: It takes a strong cop to suck it up.
Speaker 1: And so he's kind of complimenting Stabler here, and then
Speaker 1: they start playing Stabler's all over this guy Tatum, and
Speaker 1: then Tatum shoves Stabler and he's like what the fuck
Speaker 1: and the guy's like, no files on the black top, bitch,
Speaker 1: you can't take it. It's like stupid male posturing. Then
Speaker 1: they start again Stabler's all over this guy, and Tatum
Speaker 1: just elbows him right in the nose and it's a
Speaker 1: big smack sound effect like a punch. So Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: what did I miss? And like he's truly bleeding out
Speaker 1: of his nose. And Andrews comes up and goes he's
Speaker 1: trying to send you a message, and Stabler's like, I
Speaker 1: guess I don't speak his language, and he goes, don't
Speaker 1: you And Stabler goes, why don't you spell it out
Speaker 1: for me? He goes, how about you ask me all
Speaker 1: the questions you want after the game, and Stabler's playing dumb.
Speaker 1: He's like questions and he goes the rape right, And
Speaker 1: Stabler's obviously not as slick as he thinks. He is
Speaker 1: just like melting into a pickup game to get answers
Speaker 1: on a crime. So that's the end of act one.
Speaker 1: Now we're at the top of act two at Craigan's office.
Speaker 1: Stabler's got a black eye, telling the gang what went down,
Speaker 1: and he says he might have been telling me what
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear, but he seemed genuine. Like immediately,
Speaker 1: everyone's like on the side of this guy, and liv goes, oh,
Speaker 1: was up before or after his goon kicked your ass?
Speaker 1: And Andrews is like, and they were like, Andrews knew
Speaker 1: we were looking into him. And then everyone like munch
Speaker 1: Too is like, well he saved the other eye. Like
Speaker 1: everyone wants to like build this guy up, and they're like,
Speaker 1: so his partner was over enthusiastic, like who cared, you know,
Speaker 1: And then Craigan's like, so all we got is this
Speaker 1: abusive woman crying rape. That's what Craigan says, and liv
Speaker 1: is like, what is her motive for accusing her husband
Speaker 1: of this? And Finn is like maybe appending divorce. You
Speaker 1: don't have to split assets with someone when they're in jail.
Speaker 1: And they're like, there's no divorce papers filed, and Munch goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's waiting for us to get rid of him and
Speaker 1: then she'll file.
Speaker 3: And then they get a phone call.
Speaker 1: Units are at the Andrews house responding to a report
Speaker 1: of assault with a deadly weapon.
Speaker 3: So now we're at their house.
Speaker 1: Cops are in the street, like this is like a
Speaker 1: huge just like a block party, Like everyone's in the street,
Speaker 1: the cops, the couple's fighting. There's an ambulance with Andrews
Speaker 1: is in the back, Lloyd is in the back. His wife,
Speaker 1: Patricia is being held back by a cop and she's
Speaker 1: threatening to cut her husband's big heart out and he's
Speaker 1: in an ambulance getting a hand injury treated to and
Speaker 1: he calls her. He's like, shut up, you stupid bitch,
Speaker 1: and then she says. She goes, I will set you
Speaker 1: on fire in your sleep, and he goes, you better
Speaker 1: kill me, or I'll do you without leaving a mark.
Speaker 1: So these two are like and then she calls him
Speaker 1: a freak, just like she did right before she threw
Speaker 1: the frying pan, but this time she lobs a police
Speaker 1: baton that she grabbed off of the cop that's hold
Speaker 1: of your back. She just lobs it at him. But
Speaker 1: there's tons of people around, so it's like, oh, it's wild.
Speaker 1: It's a wild scene, so lived, but the writing is incredible.
Speaker 1: Pam hearts, I mean it's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So liv takes over as a cop is like wrestling
Speaker 1: Patricia to the ground and she's like, I got it,
Speaker 1: I got it, like you know, and she calms her
Speaker 1: down and screams why isn't he in jail? And Stabler
Speaker 1: goes to Lloyd and says he needs to come down
Speaker 1: to the station and answer questions, and he goes, I
Speaker 1: need a lawyer. And so now Craigan is getting yelled
Speaker 1: out by the two IAB dudes.
Speaker 3: They're like, you.
Speaker 1: Call this finesse and then he's like, I'm fielding calls
Speaker 1: about authorizing an undercover Op? What what kind of Mickey
Speaker 1: mouse Club is this? It's like the undercover op where
Speaker 1: he played himself and went to play basketball hardly, And
Speaker 1: Craigan goes, see, I actually hate that little black rodent
Speaker 1: talking about Mickey mouse Club. He goes, I'm more of
Speaker 1: a dick tracy guy. You get a decoder ring and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, the writing in this episode is so funny,
Speaker 1: like everybody's fucking with each other, so sarcastic. And the
Speaker 1: guy is like, the IAB Guy's like, cabinet, you want
Speaker 1: to jump in here, and she's like, listen. Charging him
Speaker 1: before we get a statement from him is premature. But
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make this go away like you want
Speaker 1: me to. But I suggest you to stop obstructing this
Speaker 1: unit or I'll file charges against you. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're here only in a supervisory capacity, and she's like,
Speaker 1: not anymore, you've been updated. Skidaddle sachet away. So in
Speaker 1: the squadroom, the Andrews both get taken in, Patricia and
Speaker 1: Lloyd in one room.
Speaker 3: We're going back and forth here now in one room.
Speaker 1: Lloyd is like, I won't talk without my lawyer, and
Speaker 1: they go okay, bye, and then he goes, well, on
Speaker 1: second thought, why don't we just.
Speaker 3: Put this all to bed so we can get back
Speaker 3: to work. That would be me. I would be scared.
Speaker 3: That would be me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like after they make you wait an hour, you're
Speaker 1: like final talk, I gotta go.
Speaker 3: I just want to talk. But no, I think.
Speaker 2: I think after this podcast, I know if anything, it's lawyer.
Speaker 1: Got lawyer for that lawyer? Yeah, I would not say yeah,
Speaker 1: just lawyer. So they're like, your wife already told us
Speaker 1: what happened. Why don't you tell us you know? And
Speaker 1: he goes, what did you? What did she say? And
Speaker 1: he goes, she said you raped her, and Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: before you deny it, let's go through the whole sequence
Speaker 1: of events, and Lloyd goes, fine, I've been working midnights
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 3: I'm tired. I get home.
Speaker 1: She starts laying into me about having a side piece,
Speaker 1: and they're like do you and he goes, yeah, so
Speaker 1: so why would she They're like, so why would she
Speaker 1: accuse you of rape? And he goes, it doesn't take
Speaker 1: a genius and he continues like it's always something with her.
Speaker 1: I don't love her, I don't or I smother her
Speaker 1: too much. You figure it out because she's driving me nuts.
Speaker 1: He sounds like Rodney Dangerfield and they're like, it seems
Speaker 1: like it would be easier for you to divorce her
Speaker 1: than to rape her, and he goes, I did not
Speaker 1: rape her. Like he's adamant that he did not do that.
Speaker 1: Over to Patricia, who's telling Munch and Finn. She's like,
Speaker 1: he just came sauntering home like nothing happened, and Munch
Speaker 1: is like, why did you stay there? And she's like,
Speaker 1: where should I go? It's my house, my things. I
Speaker 1: did nothing wrong, and like I'm obviously on her side,
Speaker 1: like she some people don't have anywhere else to go,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like we've seen that in other
Speaker 1: episodes where it's like go to a shelter. It's like,
Speaker 1: shelters can be dangerous. It's a lot of it's difficult,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not as easy. It's not black and white.
Speaker 1: So then Munch goes, you cut him with a kitchen
Speaker 1: knife and threw a police baton into the crowd, and
Speaker 1: she's like, he scared me.
Speaker 3: I thought he was in jail. You said you would
Speaker 3: arrest him. What happened?
Speaker 1: And then back to Lloyd and he goes, they were fighting,
Speaker 1: tempers were hot. He walked away, and that's when she
Speaker 1: threw this pan at him. They go back and forth
Speaker 1: between calling this a pan and a pot. It's a pan,
Speaker 1: but they call it a pot sometimes. He brought her
Speaker 1: in and started packing her bags and he's like, the
Speaker 1: lease is under my name and I wasn't gonna let
Speaker 1: her run me out of my house. And then she
Speaker 1: started screaming and threatening him with kitchen utensils, and then
Speaker 1: she came after him with a knife. This is what's
Speaker 1: confusing me because this is like us. These are the
Speaker 1: two separate attacks, Like the kitchen the knife attack happened
Speaker 1: at a different time of day than the pan attack.
Speaker 1: So it's very confusing the way they're describing this. But
Speaker 1: now he's talking about the second attack after him with
Speaker 1: a knife. He disarmed her using a standard academy move,
Speaker 1: and he goes, she's crazy. She hasn't been right since
Speaker 1: we found out that she can't have kids, So that's
Speaker 1: a sad wrench in the story for her if that's
Speaker 1: what she wants. And Patricia said that's when the marriage
Speaker 1: started to go south. They're like, what about divorce and
Speaker 1: he goes, I love him. I want to go to counseling.
Speaker 1: He won't go, but they'll make him go after the trial, right,
Speaker 1: So it's almost like that's why she's going through this,
Speaker 1: to stay with him, but make him get help. And
Speaker 1: it's like if they convict, but I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: the ADA is going to charge him, And she's like,
Speaker 1: let me talk to her. She's a woman, she'll get it.
Speaker 1: He raped me. So she's really standing by her story.
Speaker 1: And then we cut to Lloyd right after she says
Speaker 1: that going we made love, not a fan of the phrase,
Speaker 1: and he denies the choke hold, He denies holding her down.
Speaker 3: He says, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I know I could hurt her, and he's like, besides,
Speaker 1: I'm the one with the battle scars and lives, like,
Speaker 1: but you do know how to do her without leaving
Speaker 1: a mark, right, quoting what he just said like an
Speaker 1: hour earlier on the street. So now Craigan and Cabot
Speaker 1: are watching through the glass and Cabot's like, cut him loose,
Speaker 1: and Craigan's like, that sends a message that if a
Speaker 1: woman is raped by her husband, she better get beat
Speaker 1: up too, and Cabot's like, what do you want me
Speaker 1: to do about it? Like, and Craigan's like book him
Speaker 1: and let a jury decide, and she goes, I don't
Speaker 1: even have enough to get this past a grand jury.
Speaker 3: Walk him.
Speaker 1: So now Craigan goes to the squad room and that
Speaker 1: asshole Tatum, the one who elbowed Stabler in the face,
Speaker 1: he's with a bunch of other guys and they show
Speaker 1: up to help their buddy because they're all pals and
Speaker 1: none of them ever does anything wrong, and Andrew's whole
Speaker 1: squad is like standing there, and so the guy goes,
Speaker 1: are you arresting my sergeant? And Craigan's like, none of
Speaker 1: your business, bro, And then this motherfucker starts stepping to
Speaker 1: Cragan like he's not a captain, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Rank means a lot with these.
Speaker 1: Guys, Like you can't talk to a captain like this,
Speaker 1: and he goes, we watch out for each other. Maybe
Speaker 1: you forgot that riding a desk and Craigan's like, I
Speaker 1: enforce the law and the only thing I ride are
Speaker 1: humps that break it. And then Stabler walks in with
Speaker 1: live and Tatum looks at Stabler and goes feeling wood
Speaker 1: for my buddy. What I had to put the subtitles on.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on? I guess he's like,
Speaker 1: do you have a boner fruit? Like getting my friend
Speaker 1: in trouble or whatever? And he Stabler goes, I am
Speaker 1: now cheap shot, and then he goes is he arrested
Speaker 1: or not? And Craigan goes, he's free to go. And
Speaker 1: so they bring Lloyd out, and of course, just as
Speaker 1: they're bringing Lloyd out, they bring out Patricia. That's always
Speaker 1: what they do on this show. There's zero logistical timing.
Speaker 1: And I think I love the name Patricia the more
Speaker 1: I hear you say it. Oh really, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: cute name. Yeah, Trisha Pattie. She he points at her
Speaker 1: and says, I want my wife charged with assault and
Speaker 1: she's like Lloyd and Craigan goes, do it. Patricia goes,
Speaker 1: how can he do this? And Munch goes, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I'll ask him count on it. So Munch is
Speaker 1: getting on her side, and then Lloyd and his jackass
Speaker 1: pack of bros All leave. So now Munch is in
Speaker 1: holding and they bring Patricia in. She's about to smoke
Speaker 1: a cigarette and she's like, well, I told Lloyd I
Speaker 1: would quit, but now's as good a time as any.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, ma'am, I beg to differ.
Speaker 1: This is not the time for you to smoking while
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of a assault, charred by your
Speaker 1: husband who raped you. I think you can smoke away,
Speaker 1: my dear get you can get quit later. And Munch
Speaker 1: is like, it's a bad habit, but some habits are worse.
Speaker 1: My wife has some bad ones. And she's like, I
Speaker 1: thought you weren't married, and he's like, he never said
Speaker 1: he wasn't married. You said he wasn't married because you
Speaker 1: were like, no one would be with you, and he's like,
Speaker 1: my soon to be X calls me asking for money
Speaker 1: a lot. They still fight, only now he's not there
Speaker 1: for the tantrums and he goes so she goes, so
Speaker 1: you bust my chops because I remind you of her,
Speaker 1: and he goes, no, I just don't like you, and
Speaker 1: she laughs and goes, at least you're honest. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. It's like they seem like
Speaker 1: they now like each other and they're just shitting on
Speaker 1: each other to be nice and in a way that's friendly,
Speaker 1: and she's like, so, what are you doing here? He's like,
Speaker 1: I came here to gloat. But then he's like, how
Speaker 1: you holding up. She goes, I'm all right. I'm worried
Speaker 1: about Lloyd, and Munch is like, wow, never underestimate the
Speaker 1: generosity of women. She explains to Munch that Lloyd works midnight,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have time to sleep, and she came
Speaker 1: home once and found him scrubbing his bullets in the
Speaker 1: sink with his gunm laid out on a towel, So
Speaker 1: she obviously thinks that anything that his long hours could
Speaker 1: make him do something crazy. But he has time for
Speaker 1: a relationship with a second woman, so I think he's
Speaker 1: probably choosing that oversleep. And he goes, do you need anything,
Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, will you go check on Lloyd
Speaker 1: make sure he's okay, and Munch just like size and
Speaker 1: the officer comes to get the women, and they gave
Speaker 1: her truly ninety seconds with Munch. I guess that's what
Speaker 1: the visit time is at this jail. But now we're
Speaker 1: in court for Patricia's assault charge. She pleads not guilty.
Speaker 1: Cabot doesn't ask for bail. She says ro R is fine.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, very compassionate Alexandra or whatever. And the
Speaker 1: judge thinks Cabot's being a little too generous and he
Speaker 1: overrules it and asks for ten thousand dollars bond. So
Speaker 1: this sounds like a man who's like hates women too.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Ada is not even asking that.
Speaker 1: She doesn't think she's a danger to anyone but her husband,
Speaker 1: so let her out. Why would be why would she
Speaker 1: have to pay or do bond? So Craigan goes to
Speaker 1: meet with some dude. We don't know who this man is,
Speaker 1: tells them that someone in there in his unit is
Speaker 1: filing a discrimination suit with the department. Duh, it's Jeffrey's.
Speaker 1: So they want to see if Craigan can get her
Speaker 1: to drop it. And the guy and Craigan's like, she's
Speaker 1: really angry, and I really had no idea how angry
Speaker 1: until this moment.
Speaker 3: Right here.
Speaker 1: He says, don it's not personal. She didn't name you
Speaker 1: in her suit. She just wants back in the field.
Speaker 1: And Craigan's like, well that's a problem, sir, and we
Speaker 1: can't fold on the issue, So talk to her as
Speaker 1: a friend. If that doesn't work, Craigan says, he goes,
Speaker 1: make it go away, Captain. So all these cops in
Speaker 1: this episode are just trying to get SVU to make
Speaker 1: shit go away. So Munch now is walking into Cabot's
Speaker 1: office and goes, guess who just paid Patricia's bail?
Speaker 3: Her husband Lloyd. He's like, I smell a recan't now.
Speaker 1: Cabot wants to charge him because she's like, he had
Speaker 1: her arrested then paid her bail.
Speaker 3: That looks suspicious.
Speaker 1: I can sell that, And Munch goes, I didn't know
Speaker 1: women got into wizzing contests? Can you not say piss
Speaker 1: on NBC? Because whizzy contests doesn't sound as good as
Speaker 1: pissing contest?
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, but was is more like fantastical. It's
Speaker 2: like such a silly word. It's like when you pee
Speaker 2: from a cloud or something. Yeah, it would be a
Speaker 2: good word. All word is it? Whiz z.
Speaker 1: W h I z z I n G is whizzing?
Speaker 1: I think whiz might be whiz. But my dad used
Speaker 1: to say that to us all the time. He'd go,
Speaker 1: can you guys go take a whiz? Everybody go take
Speaker 1: a whiz? Like before we would get into a car
Speaker 1: on a car trip, and I would say to my mom,
Speaker 1: make him stop saying that it's disgusting, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear him say go take a whiz like
Speaker 1: I felt. I was like, you're treating me like I
Speaker 1: have a penis and I don't like it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I didn't know whiz was gender. It's not in my
Speaker 1: I was like eight, and I didn't like it. I
Speaker 1: didn't like the way it sounded. So Cabot says, bring
Speaker 1: Patricia in, let's clear the air. And so now Patricia
Speaker 1: and Cabot are talking and Cabot's like, did anyone threaten you?
Speaker 1: And Patricia's like, no, I just don't want to go
Speaker 1: through with it anymore. And she's wearing a little faux
Speaker 1: Birberry shirt and which was very big around that time.
Speaker 1: I think I had a faux burbery skirt.
Speaker 2: And she goes Our friend Lauren has this horrific story,
Speaker 2: not horrific, it's lol, but that you know, her parents
Speaker 2: got her a burbery scarf and we're like it's real,
Speaker 2: and she's like, are you sure it's real?
Speaker 3: And we're like it's real.
Speaker 1: And then she went to school and everyone's like it's
Speaker 1: fake and it was fae and she was just like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just tell me it was fake? You
Speaker 1: guys lied to me. I mean yeah. So it was
Speaker 1: like a big issue for her and her child.
Speaker 3: I had a fake one too. I had a fake
Speaker 3: scarf too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a hot time for that pattern. Oh poor baby.
Speaker 1: So Kevi, it's like, well then, why did you change
Speaker 1: your mind? Like what's going on? And she's like, my
Speaker 1: husband could go to jail for a misunderstanding, a petty
Speaker 1: marital spat.
Speaker 3: I can't live with that.
Speaker 1: And Mounch's like, this is a real change of tune
Speaker 1: after singing the quote he raped me song to anyone
Speaker 1: who would listen, and she's like, I was mad. And
Speaker 1: then they go does this have to do with him
Speaker 1: dropping the assault charge? And she's like he's a good
Speaker 1: guy and they're like, you said he was an arrogant
Speaker 1: jackass who put you in a choke hold and took
Speaker 1: what he wanted.
Speaker 3: And she goes, he apologized for that.
Speaker 1: And she's like, all I ever wanted for him to
Speaker 1: do was put himself in my place. This is like
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Like women just want men to
Speaker 1: like listen, to them, kind of empathize with them, have
Speaker 1: like more of an emotional connection, not like what Sandoval
Speaker 1: did in that episode after Arianna lost her dad and goes,
Speaker 1: I know, we keep bringing this back to vander Pump,
Speaker 1: but it is relevant. She lost her dad and she's like,
Speaker 1: I just really need you here with me right now.
Speaker 1: And he's like, Babe, I love you so much and
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for what you're going through. But the
Speaker 1: guys like rented trucks and we're gonna like do bulldozers
Speaker 1: and stuff. Can I please go to Vegas? Like that's
Speaker 1: the emotional connection that you're missing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, even this current season, her grandmother just died and
Speaker 2: he didn't go with her to Florida, like he stayed
Speaker 2: to continue an affair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and go get sandwiches with Schwartz.
Speaker 2: It's just it just seems like women are constantly changing
Speaker 2: and doing things to please what men want, and they
Speaker 2: are unwilling to be like, oh needs are equal to mine. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 2: have I gotten involved in the comments on the Shade Room?
Speaker 3: I have, And.
Speaker 2: You know, whatever your views on equality about women and
Speaker 2: men are like to me, I was writing, I was
Speaker 2: like that's irrelevant.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: If you think they're equal, but like both people get
Speaker 2: to feel good. Yeah, I just like, it just seems
Speaker 2: so weird that like one person in a partnership's feelings
Speaker 2: are just irrelevant to all decision making.
Speaker 3: It just I get it.
Speaker 1: This is a woman who is in an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1: She's just found out she can't have children pretty recently,
Speaker 1: and her husband is cheating on her and gaslighting the
Speaker 1: fuck out of her saying.
Speaker 3: That he's not and he's a police officer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like I'm on her side kind of no
Speaker 1: matter what. Like, I know, we didn't see what happened,
Speaker 1: but she's she's got my vote, and she's like all
Speaker 1: I ever wanted him to do is put himself in
Speaker 1: my place. He's never said I'm sorry about anything, and
Speaker 1: that's like a huge trigger for me. People that don't
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry. I have a parent who does that,
Speaker 1: and I really fucking hate it. I say sorry to
Speaker 1: my kids like all the time. I'm like, even if
Speaker 1: it's something stupid where they're like, you push my rosie
Speaker 1: today goes, you push me into the table.
Speaker 3: I didn't push her into a table. And I go, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry if I did that, I didn't mean to, you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm just like apologizing constantly so that they know
Speaker 1: that apologizing is like something that doesn't mean you're weak
Speaker 1: or like less than you know, sorry, I'm going off
Speaker 1: on a personal tangent about a pin.
Speaker 2: You know, I am too constantly like I forget like
Speaker 2: some yeah, I forget that this is the case.
Speaker 3: She did throw the frying pan. JK. Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She did throw the frying pant and he and violence
Speaker 1: isn't the answer. But it's like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: when people were talking about I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to bring u Johnny Depp and Amber hurt again, but
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, she was abusing him, and it's
Speaker 1: like there is always a more powerful person in a relationship,
Speaker 1: and he is the more powerful person in this relationship,
Speaker 1: so like it's not equal abuse, you know, people, I
Speaker 1: thought initially when I said something about her depth stuff,
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like there's abuse on both sides.
Speaker 1: And then many people pointed out to me that that's
Speaker 1: not possible when there's a higher level person in the
Speaker 1: relationship with more power. And that's true, and in this case,
Speaker 1: it's this man. She goes, this was genuine. He said
Speaker 1: sorry and he and they're like, what did he say?
Speaker 1: And she goes, he said, I'm sorry I raped you, Patty.
Speaker 1: That was unforgivable and to give him another chance, and
Speaker 1: she's like, we're starting over. He's trying to feel my
Speaker 1: pain for the first time. And they're like, She's just like,
Speaker 1: you can't make me change my mind.
Speaker 3: I love him.
Speaker 1: Munch is pissed and he's like, he admits it and
Speaker 1: you re can't. And Munch says, that's not love, that's
Speaker 1: psycho and she says, I'm not crazy enough to lose
Speaker 1: my husband because you want to believe in me. Now
Speaker 1: she leaves. I mean, she's giving much shit because he
Speaker 1: wasn't originally, like you know. On her side, Cabot's like,
Speaker 1: I can charge her with false police report, but I
Speaker 1: want to charge her with felony assault to force her
Speaker 1: hand a little bit. And they're like, I don't think
Speaker 1: Lloyd is going to refile the complain just to please you,
Speaker 1: And they're like, what if we find a witness to
Speaker 1: the attack. So now are back to our Springer guy.
Speaker 1: He said, I heard them fighting and I called the police.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything. But then he finds out that
Speaker 1: Sergeant Andrews won't find out that he talked, and so
Speaker 1: he's like, okay. He admits, like she had a knife
Speaker 1: and she did cut him, like I saw that part.
Speaker 1: So now Cabot is meeting with Patricia and her lawyer
Speaker 1: and charging her with assault too for cutting her husband.
Speaker 1: And Cabot's like, I got the knife, the prince and
Speaker 1: a witness that's three years in Bedford Hills and it's
Speaker 1: not the country club, it sounds like. And they're like,
Speaker 1: whatever happened to compassionate Cabot from a few you know,
Speaker 1: from the few days ago. And they're like, she said, well,
Speaker 1: the motive for the assault was fear of reprisal. She recanted,
Speaker 1: So that's out, and so was my compassion. She goes,
Speaker 1: I'll bump it down to assault three. That'll shave eighteen months.
Speaker 1: But I want a conviction for rape in the first degree.
Speaker 1: I'll only get that if your client is in front
Speaker 1: of the grand jury. She goes, this is blackmail. Patricia
Speaker 1: says that, and Cabot goes, no, it's the law. And
Speaker 1: so now Benson and Stable a walk into Manhattan South
Speaker 1: and in front of all his cronies.
Speaker 3: They arrest Lloyd.
Speaker 1: They give him the courtesy of letting him step outside,
Speaker 1: not cuffing him in front of all of his and
Speaker 1: reading him his rights in front of all of his guys.
Speaker 1: He surrenders his gun, his dump dumb Tatum, tries to
Speaker 1: yell at them and lives like, can you get out
Speaker 1: of my way? Pig, thank you, and then that's the
Speaker 1: end of act three. At the top of Act four,
Speaker 1: Cabot walks into court as they're reading the charges against Lloyd,
Speaker 1: rape in the first degree, sexual misconduct in the first
Speaker 1: degree sexual abuse. She asks for fifty thousand dollars bail,
Speaker 1: and there's a huge reaction from the galley. They're all like,
Speaker 1: oh so much, and Petrowski is like not having it.
Speaker 1: She's like, everybody shut up, you know. She's like not
Speaker 1: here for all the noise in the courtroom. And then
Speaker 1: his lawyer is like, he's a respected cop, like he
Speaker 1: should get ror. Cabot's like, we don't want to send
Speaker 1: the message that cops get special treatment. But Petrovsky is
Speaker 1: not having that either. She goes save your button, pushing
Speaker 1: for trial. We know that she loves to spar with
Speaker 1: Cabot a little bit, so she grants ROLR. People ask
Speaker 1: for an order of protection and that Lloyd surrenders all
Speaker 1: his weapons and she goes, that's fine, and then she
Speaker 1: goes up to the defense attorney for Lloyd and goes,
Speaker 1: let's talk. She offers sex abuse one three years. He laughs,
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna win. I've got a winning hand here. Bye,
Speaker 1: and then he said, all you've got is a bitter wife.
Speaker 1: Put her on the stand. The recant goes in, so
Speaker 1: do the physical attacks. Why are you fighting this and
Speaker 1: Cabot goes, because he did it. He doesn't deserve freedom
Speaker 1: or a badge. And then the guy goes, oh, when
Speaker 1: did he confess? And she says a few days ago
Speaker 1: to his wife, and he's like, that's privileged. He's basically like, girl,
Speaker 1: you've got no case. And then he drops the bomb
Speaker 1: that they're going to do a bench trial, not jury,
Speaker 1: and it's like, uh, oh, is Petrovsky a cop lover?
Speaker 1: Let's find out. Cabot looks stung by that. He goes,
Speaker 1: let's drop this and send the kiddies to counseling. She refuses,
Speaker 1: and he hands her a hanky and goes for the
Speaker 1: egg on your face, and then there's a lot of
Speaker 1: shade in this episode, sarcasm and shade. Munch is on
Speaker 1: the stand testifying that Patricia wanted to drop the rape charges,
Speaker 1: that her husband apologized sincerely for raping her and that
Speaker 1: was the first time in the marriage he had ever apologized.
Speaker 1: And it is not Petrovsky. It is a different judge.
Speaker 1: It's not our beloved Judge p it is Judge Kevin Beck,
Speaker 1: and he's been in a bunch of epps in seasons
Speaker 1: one and two, including limitations which we did cover, which
Speaker 1: was the one about the Statute of Limitations. So the
Speaker 1: defense is claiming that the apology is privileged, but because
Speaker 1: it's because it's between two spouses. But the judge says, no,
Speaker 1: she related to a third party Munch, which means privilege
Speaker 1: goes out the window and it's hearsay, which is a
Speaker 1: win for Cabot. So now Patricia is on the stand
Speaker 1: talking about the pan that she threw. She said it
Speaker 1: wasn't still hot. I wasn't trying to hurt him. It's
Speaker 1: like you did. It's a very heavy pan and you've
Speaker 1: got a good aim. And she says back in the
Speaker 1: house after throwing the pan, she kept fighting with him.
Speaker 1: She hit him a few times, he pushed back, and
Speaker 1: then Cabot asked, point blank did he rape you? And
Speaker 1: she says she doesn't know. But then Cabot reads her
Speaker 1: back her statement and she's reluctant, like you can tell
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be testifying.
Speaker 3: She still feels the way she did before.
Speaker 1: And then she admits to the defense attorney that she
Speaker 1: recanted and that a deal is in place for her
Speaker 1: testimony in the assault charge. And the guy goes, so,
Speaker 1: then why are we here? Objection withdrawn? He does one
Speaker 1: of those little things where the judge heard it even
Speaker 1: though it was like objected to and withdrawn. Cabot goes,
Speaker 1: didn't you drop the rape charges after your husband dropped
Speaker 1: the charges against you? And Patricia goes, that's not how
Speaker 1: it was, you, bitch. It's really great. That's a great moment.
Speaker 1: Cabot's fake. Cabot looks stunned. The judge goes, watch your language, ma'am,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, didn't you have a change of
Speaker 1: heart after a long conversation with your husband? And then
Speaker 1: the judge is like, you better answer, bitch. Or you're
Speaker 1: going to be in contempt, and she admits, yes, I
Speaker 1: did change my mind after this long conversation. So now
Speaker 1: Lloyd is on this stand. He goes, we've been married
Speaker 1: five years, mostly pretty happily, but lately it's been hell.
Speaker 1: His defense attorney says, she's the batterer. Why are you
Speaker 1: protecting her? And he goes, I love her. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't see her get locked up over something that's my fault,
Speaker 1: and then he goes, she throws pants, she sliced your hands.
Speaker 3: How is it your fault?
Speaker 1: He admits to not being the best husband, cheating, not
Speaker 1: coming home, being a huge fucking gas slader. The defense
Speaker 1: attorney goes, I wouldn't either about coming home.
Speaker 3: And it's like, fuck you, dude. He just admitted he's
Speaker 3: a bad husband.
Speaker 1: And you're like, who would come home to this broad,
Speaker 1: this nagging ball and chain.
Speaker 3: It's like, he's a bad husband. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Before Cabot can even object, he withdraws like she goes
Speaker 1: to take a breath to object, and he's like, withdrawn
Speaker 1: like he knows, and he asks, did you force your wife?
Speaker 1: Put her in a choke hold? Use excessive force? He says,
Speaker 1: no to all of it. Why would she accuse you?
Speaker 1: Then he says, I promised to cut off a year
Speaker 1: long relationship and I didn't and she found out and
Speaker 1: I've since stopped seeing her.
Speaker 3: I love my wife.
Speaker 1: And he says, why would you apologize for a rape
Speaker 1: if you didn't do it? And he goes, she can't
Speaker 1: let anything go. She's got to be right. I would
Speaker 1: just rather lie than fight about it. I just want
Speaker 1: some peace, that's all any husband wants. It's like men
Speaker 1: are so fucking lame. And then it's Cabot's turn and
Speaker 1: she goes, didn't you tell her that you could do
Speaker 1: her without leaving a mark? And he kind of tries
Speaker 1: to deny it, and Cabot's like, let me remind you
Speaker 1: that I have about one hundred witnesses who heard you
Speaker 1: say that, And did you threaten her bodily harm?
Speaker 3: Or didn't you?
Speaker 1: And then he screams that Heifer told me she was
Speaker 1: gonna torch me. What the hell was I supposed to say?
Speaker 1: And she goes that Heifer is supposed to be the
Speaker 1: woman that you love. Boom does not look good. Cabot
Speaker 1: walks down back to her chair like she's kind of
Speaker 1: nailed him. So now this defense attorney, the guy with
Speaker 1: the hanky, comes back with his tail between his legs
Speaker 1: to Cabot and he goes sexual misconduct, and he's out
Speaker 1: of a job. And Cabot's eating a sandwich and drinking
Speaker 1: a generic diet cola that looks just like a diet coke,
Speaker 1: and she goes, don't be ridiculous, because now clearly she's winning.
Speaker 1: And the guy's like, come on, these people don't belong married.
Speaker 1: We can all agree on that. And Cabot's like, that's
Speaker 1: not my problem, and he's like, you really railroaded him
Speaker 1: in there for what he said in the heat of
Speaker 1: the moment got me thinking about fights with my wife,
Speaker 1: what people might say sometimes I want to kill her.
Speaker 3: And it's like Jesus, like you're just.
Speaker 1: Saying that out loud, Like I get serious at my
Speaker 1: husband and I'm never like I would like to kill him,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have never said that to anyone,
Speaker 1: And Cabbot.
Speaker 2: Goes, also, it's added, like when you do have a
Speaker 2: gun and you do have strength, yes, and you're a
Speaker 2: police officer, like saying I want to kill you doesn't
Speaker 2: just seem like Kuyperbley or in the moment, like it
Speaker 2: when you're washing your bullets right there's your gun right out,
Speaker 2: the threat seems more real to me. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: And Cabot goes, well, if she dies, you've got a problem,
Speaker 2: Like you just admitted to me that you want to
Speaker 2: kill your fucking wife sometimes. But anyway, she goes, defelony's
Speaker 2: still on the table. Three years, he'll be out in one.
Speaker 1: And the guy goes, yeah, but he'll be a sex offender,
Speaker 1: Like that's not going to happen, and she's like, okay, bye,
Speaker 1: and he steals the pickle off of her lunch plate,
Speaker 1: takes a bite, and walks out. The audacity, the gall
Speaker 1: the gumption. So now we're back to Craigan dealing with
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey situation. He has called her into his office
Speaker 1: and he's like, this isn't anything official, it's just you
Speaker 1: and me, and he's like, have you thought about this?
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, is this about my lawsuit?
Speaker 1: And he's like have you thought about like this completely,
Speaker 1: like all the politics of it, the stink it's going
Speaker 1: to leave on you, And she's like, the only thing
Speaker 1: on my mind is the presumptuous attitude about my private life.
Speaker 1: Back to you know everything that came out in that
Speaker 1: psychoval that I explained earlier, and he's like, this unit
Speaker 1: isn't like other units. You know that, And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: when it hit the all I know is that when
Speaker 1: it hit the fan, you ducked. Like she doesn't think
Speaker 1: Craigan had her back, and he's like, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with their conclusion, but I do agree that you need help.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't agree that she needs to like be
Speaker 1: off the force or bench or anything. He's just like,
Speaker 1: before you get back in the field, you need some
Speaker 1: like counseling. And she's like, what does my personal life
Speaker 1: have to do with my work or the way I
Speaker 1: do it? And he's like, to me, it's the equivalent
Speaker 1: of you trying to eat your gun, and I can't
Speaker 1: let that happen. And she goes, well, I guess we
Speaker 1: have nothing left to talk about, and she walks out
Speaker 1: and back in court, the judge is ready to deliberate.
Speaker 1: He admits that spousal rape is real, but how does
Speaker 1: the law determine if a rape actually occurred? And he said, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it cannot save corroboration or grievous injury. So he finds
Speaker 1: the Lloyd not guilty on all charges. Wild like, we
Speaker 1: all thought Cabot was winning, but that's maybe a jury
Speaker 1: would have sided with her. But the bench trial, the
Speaker 1: judge says, we can't prove this happened. Munch says, what
Speaker 1: a waste of time, and Cabot disagrees. She's like, I'm
Speaker 1: the only eightya to get spousal rape past a grand jury.
Speaker 1: She's like, I might not have won, but I've changed
Speaker 1: the climate so someone else can. Then we cut to
Speaker 1: the Andrews, Patricia and Lloyd just passionately making out in
Speaker 1: the courtroom like full soap opera, and It's like, I
Speaker 1: guess you forgot he called you a heifer the day
Speaker 1: before in open court, and Munch is like, I guess
Speaker 1: you proved also that women are still chattel and then
Speaker 1: Cabot goes only if they want to be, and we
Speaker 1: cut to Craigan at the final scene of the episode,
Speaker 1: going in his office. There's a gun and a badge
Speaker 1: on his desk. The camera pans over and we see
Speaker 1: Finn sitting there and Craigan's like, this is a little premature.
Speaker 1: I thought a hot sh narcotics guy like you would
Speaker 1: be good for at least sixty days, since it's like
Speaker 1: tried twenty three years, and he's like, they're not mine.
Speaker 1: Jefferies didn't want to leave her gun unattended, and so
Speaker 1: Finn goes, I'm sorry, and Daddy Craigan looks very sad.
Speaker 1: Finn leaves. Craigan looks out onto the empty squadroom that
Speaker 1: has one old man working in it. We've never met him,
Speaker 1: and Craigan just goes me too. And then that is
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf.
Speaker 2: Well, because I wonder if at this point in the season,
Speaker 2: Ice even knows he's gonna be a regular forever, yeah.
Speaker 1: There forever, like fully, yeah, who knows? But thanks for
Speaker 1: sticking with me on that one, guys. I know is
Speaker 1: a lot of dialogue, Like there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: like action in this one. It's a lot of like
Speaker 1: he said, she said, because I think that they thought
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand, they were like, let's do
Speaker 1: this really, like there is another episode if he said,
Speaker 1: she said, the Shannon Sawsiman one that they've done. But
Speaker 1: I think here they're trying to do it first and like, well,
Speaker 1: what what what is true?
Speaker 3: Like who knows?
Speaker 1: It's like, but now I don't know through the through
Speaker 1: the lens of like everything we've learned about domestic violence
Speaker 1: in the past, like twenty something years since this episode aired.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this woman is in an abusive relationship.
Speaker 3: We got to get her out of there. But I
Speaker 3: think the show thinks they're they're presenting some kind of
Speaker 3: like who knows, could be anyone kind of argument, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll be right back after these messages with
Speaker 1: Lisa taking us through some true crimes, we.
Speaker 2: Are back, and this is the Dennis White domestic violence case.
Speaker 2: What is wild about this is like this guy did
Speaker 2: have Like we'll get into all of it. I'm just
Speaker 2: curious in terms of how connected to us soun because
Speaker 2: this stuff happened in nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: nine with this man, but he is a police officer
Speaker 2: and nothing, he was never charged, convicted, There was never
Speaker 2: anything that happened. All of this came to light in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one where he got a promotion to police
Speaker 2: commissioner and then it was taken away from him because
Speaker 2: everyone's like, you're a domestic violence abuser. So I wonder
Speaker 2: if the amazing writers knew about this, like small Boston
Speaker 2: case or if. Once this came back out, the people
Speaker 2: on the wiki were like, it's based on this, Like
Speaker 2: I wonder, well, I mean, it did happen.
Speaker 3: In ninety nine and then there was no new.
Speaker 2: In two thousand, but there's no articles or new It
Speaker 2: was like internal investigations. It wasn't like the Boston Globe
Speaker 2: was like police, you know, nothing ever happened. He was found,
Speaker 2: iab never found anything. Oh so I am just very curious.
Speaker 2: So maybe we'll talk to Neil Baert when it comes
Speaker 2: back find out how they got to that. Yeah, figured
Speaker 2: all this out. But it is very interesting in terms
Speaker 2: of the if we can say he said, she said
Speaker 2: without any you know, bad messages. Okay, So so yeah,
Speaker 2: this is pretty recent like a lot of the you know,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. So this guy, Dennis White was sworn
Speaker 2: in as a as the Boston Police commissioner in early
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, which is wild because I thought accusations
Speaker 2: hurtman's careers. So it's wilds that he was able to
Speaker 2: continue being a cop and become commissioner with these acts.
Speaker 3: It never because it never went anywhere.
Speaker 1: I guess he got it flushed the way that the
Speaker 1: ib guys wanted to do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they keep even tricking women where it's like
Speaker 2: even an accusation can ruin a man's life, right, And
Speaker 2: it's like, I just I've never seen an example ever.
Speaker 2: I've never seen an example of a man losing everything
Speaker 2: with an accusation.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Johnny Depp lost one movie role. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he still got to do perfume ads. I mean the
Speaker 2: Jonathan Major stuff that's happening right now. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess race does play a huge part. And this is
Speaker 2: a black man in this Dennis White as a blacks
Speaker 2: White as a black man. Okay, yeah, okay. So he
Speaker 2: becomes police commissioner and then allegations from years ago come
Speaker 2: up and he was.
Speaker 3: Put on pause after put me on pause.
Speaker 2: So that's from Bravo for those who don't know, welly
Speaker 2: Kara started cackling.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but no, I put it there on purpose.
Speaker 2: But just in case people are confused, why it brings
Speaker 2: us so much joy, it's that. But he was only
Speaker 2: the Boston Police Commissioner for two days before he was
Speaker 2: kicked to the curb on pause, and he had worked
Speaker 2: in the police department for thirty two years. So he
Speaker 2: was a thirty two year veteran of the force, and
Speaker 2: this was all unearthed and brought to light by the
Speaker 2: Boston Globe who inquired about allegations of domestic violence from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine with his former wife. And this was
Speaker 2: part of the Boston Globe. They were doing a series
Speaker 2: of investigations into the Boston Police. So there was like
Speaker 2: tons of articles and it was just like an all encompassing,
Speaker 2: giant investigation that they were doing about inequality and you know,
Speaker 2: cops being a mess.
Speaker 1: And the Boston Globe who famously did Spotlight, like what
Speaker 1: Spotlight was based on what the Catholic Church like, they
Speaker 1: are very good at, like this investigative kind of like
Speaker 1: expose stuff.
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't put that together in my head.
Speaker 1: So I think, like them going after the police department,
Speaker 1: the police department better be fucking like worried because they
Speaker 1: find shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I never watched Spotlight, but I remember I went to
Speaker 2: like a friend's Oscar party and all the foods were
Speaker 2: like based on the movies. People like to do that,
Speaker 2: And for Spotlight, it was fruity pebble rice, crispy treats
Speaker 2: in the shape of crosses. Oh, my God, so shout out,
Speaker 2: shout out to that fun party. In quotes, this is
Speaker 2: bigger than the administration's failure to properly vet a candidate
Speaker 2: to lead our police department. Andrea Campbell, who is a
Speaker 2: city councilor, said, she continues in a statement that was
Speaker 2: quoted by The New York Times originally from the Boston Globe,
Speaker 2: the systemic lack of accountability for wrongdoing and transparency in
Speaker 2: the Boston Police Department is a trend. I don't think
Speaker 2: this is anything new to us, but thought I would
Speaker 2: put that in there. And then his former wife also
Speaker 2: a Boston police officer.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So there's it's different because there's not the same
Speaker 1: power dynamic necessary. I mean, there probably is still a
Speaker 1: power dynamic, but not the same civilian versus copp as
Speaker 1: in the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the couple were high school sweethearts. They married
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one, and then they had two daughters together.
Speaker 2: They separated in nineteen ninety five divorced in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: but that divorce was not finalized until January two thousand
Speaker 2: and one. In May of nineteen ninety nine, court records
Speaker 2: show that White's ex wife had a restraining order against
Speaker 2: him while they were still married, so again before the
Speaker 2: divorce was finalized, and it required White to leave his home,
Speaker 2: stay away from his wife and children, and surrender his
Speaker 2: service weapon. She said that he had threatened to shoot her,
Speaker 2: slept with a gun, and physically abused her and made
Speaker 2: her very scared. According to The Washington Post, the wife
Speaker 2: to wbur which is a Boston and PR channel, said
Speaker 2: that he pushed her into sexual situations she did not
Speaker 2: want to be in. He would disable her car so
Speaker 2: she couldn't leave the house, and she does admit to
Speaker 2: fighting back and getting physical, but that she was never
Speaker 2: the first to throw a blow. She said that she
Speaker 2: became very afraid of him after he told a mutual
Speaker 2: friend that he wanted to shoot her. And this is
Speaker 2: why I said it while you were doing the recap
Speaker 2: of the episode is like, Yeah, there's a difference. I
Speaker 2: think you should never threaten, like those are bad words.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be like I'll fucking kill you. But when
Speaker 2: someone does have a gun and like knows how to
Speaker 2: hide evidence, I don't know, like a police officer, the
Speaker 2: threat goes a little higher. Or if you're just like
Speaker 2: a man saying I'll fucking kill you to a woman,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. She also alleged that he threatened
Speaker 2: their seventeen year old daughter by telling her don't come
Speaker 2: upstairs and startle him because he sleeps with his gun
Speaker 2: under his pillow.
Speaker 3: So cool guy, calm chill.
Speaker 2: So he said he was just joking about shooting his family,
Speaker 2: and we need to get a sense of humor. White
Speaker 2: was never charged, and he denied, denied, denied, but he
Speaker 2: did admit that him and his wife fought a bunch
Speaker 2: and it's sometimes escalated to physical contact by both parties.
Speaker 2: But it's like, you just denied hitting your wife, but
Speaker 2: then you just admitted that it got physical, So there's
Speaker 2: a lying to me. You can't say you've never hit
Speaker 2: her and then say we both hit each other like
Speaker 2: it doesn't make Then why are you denying it fully?
Speaker 3: So I don't really trust this guy.
Speaker 2: His daughter and her official Affidavid did say that her
Speaker 2: mother was physically abusive to her and her father, and
Speaker 2: that one time she punched her so hard that she
Speaker 2: had trouble breathing, and that she threw a lamp in
Speaker 2: a TV at her husband. The daughter also said the
Speaker 2: mom criticized her for not cleaning the house good or
Speaker 2: quickly enough, which is.
Speaker 4: Funny to me.
Speaker 2: I know it's not funny, but it's just like I
Speaker 2: don't want to clean either. But she did detail a
Speaker 2: lot of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of
Speaker 2: her mother. The mother admitted again WBUR that she did
Speaker 2: discipline and spank her daughter.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: The mom does admit again to this NPR channel that
Speaker 2: neither of them are innocent in the relationship, but she
Speaker 2: believes that he should not be able to keep his job,
Speaker 2: so she has come forward and said we both suck.
Speaker 2: He I think is in full denial of anything. Like
Speaker 2: throughout this all you'll see it's just like an excuse
Speaker 2: for everything, a denial of everything, no responsibility in any way.
Speaker 2: You could at least be like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't
Speaker 2: have threatened to shoot my daughter, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like he can't even do that. It's like he really
Speaker 2: can't in my research that I found. So he also
Speaker 2: admitted to getting physical with his niece, which happened in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, but he said it was in self defense.
Speaker 2: How are you a police officer and you're constantly threatened
Speaker 2: by the women in your life where you need to
Speaker 2: physically assault them. Yeah, so that's like another thing where
Speaker 2: I hate with the police, where they're like scared of
Speaker 2: every black teenager they've ever seen in their lives.
Speaker 3: But yet you're a hero.
Speaker 2: Like I don't get it, Like you can't say that
Speaker 2: your heroes and you demand respect and then constantly be
Speaker 2: scared and say self defense against children.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, you can't have both.
Speaker 2: Are you a scared little sissy with a gun under
Speaker 2: your pillow threatening your niece and daughter? Or you should
Speaker 2: be police commissioner and you're a leader and a hero.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what what's this? What's the circles the VENN diagram?
Speaker 3: I do not touch? Okay.
Speaker 2: The fight with his niece ended up in a report
Speaker 2: in the Internal Affairs Division investigation. The allegations came up
Speaker 2: September nineteen ninety three. The fight was over ten dollars
Speaker 2: that the niece owed White. The niece said that White
Speaker 2: punched her and threw her down the stairs and pushed
Speaker 2: her out the front door. He denied all of this
Speaker 2: and said the niece charged him and he struck her
Speaker 2: in self defense. Again, shouldn't you as an officer know
Speaker 2: how to like contain someone without pushing them down the stairs,
Speaker 2: like how to arrest of a wild I've seen cops
Speaker 2: to step do a person, Yeah, non violently? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: so okay, So he admitted to not only pushing her,
Speaker 2: he also admitted to striking her with a full swing
Speaker 2: of his arm and an open hand. So he admitted that,
Speaker 2: but then denies everything. It's just like it's kind of
Speaker 2: a mess. It just sounds like this whole household is
Speaker 2: also violent, like just the moms. They're both violent.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a violence which I'm sure comes from
Speaker 1: childhood and is like a history of a cycle that
Speaker 1: never ends. It's it's tragic really, but yeah, this guy's
Speaker 1: not good.
Speaker 2: Both White and his niece reported the incident to police,
Speaker 2: and the niece obtained a protection of order against White
Speaker 2: for one year. The wife had all of the abuse
Speaker 2: documented in a diary that she gave her relative and
Speaker 2: then and the relative told this to investigators, and in quotes,
Speaker 2: the wife said to the relative, if anything happens to me,
Speaker 2: I want you to have this diary. If anything happens
Speaker 2: to me, it would be Dennis.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: So a witness told police they had seen the ex
Speaker 2: wife with a busted lip, scars, cuts and scratches from fights.
Speaker 2: Another witness said that her whole demeanor changed if White
Speaker 2: would look in her direction, and another witness said that
Speaker 2: she told her about specific instances of abuse, including allegations
Speaker 2: that White burned her hair, put her face to a stove,
Speaker 2: and stepped on her face. Jesus witness also said that
Speaker 2: he was very controlling and abusive and that the wife
Speaker 2: did fight back. So these are just handfuls of witnesses
Speaker 2: that were a part of this investigation. Internal investigation, police
Speaker 2: abusing spouses is not rare. One said he found that
Speaker 2: twenty one percent of officers self reported abusing an intimate partner.
Speaker 2: That is just those that self report, not total. It's
Speaker 2: definitely twice that yes, not more so. In nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: are report presented to the House of Representatives estimated that
Speaker 2: law enforcement is involved in a rate of forty percent
Speaker 2: of domestic violence. The police involved in domestic violence cases
Speaker 2: are at a much higher rate than the general public,
Speaker 2: yet officers are not held to the same standard of
Speaker 2: accountability as non law enforcement offenders. White's ex wife complained
Speaker 2: often that her case was not being taken seriously by
Speaker 2: the department. Internal affairs found that he had neglective duty
Speaker 2: and unreasonable judgment, but determined White had not broken any laws.
Speaker 2: The department just had no records related to the allegations.
Speaker 2: According to this report, DV and law enforcement families is
Speaker 2: also unique because there are specific risk factors that create
Speaker 2: barriers for victims seeking safety.
Speaker 3: For example, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Even think about some of these, Like I thought it
Speaker 2: was pretty well informed about a lot of stuff. But
Speaker 2: you know, like officers learn specific skills how to command
Speaker 2: authority and control situations on the job, and when they
Speaker 2: do this shit to their intimate partners that can cause
Speaker 2: like psychologically terrorizing and physically violence situations. They also have
Speaker 2: access to firearms, which I keep mentioning, and they have
Speaker 2: increased stress on their jobs. So it's just like a
Speaker 2: very dangerous combo for their partners and also partners like
Speaker 2: they don't know where to turn to help if their
Speaker 2: partners in law enforcement.
Speaker 3: That's kind of obvious.
Speaker 2: But also like a lot of shelters are private, like
Speaker 2: the addresses, but police might have location information to shelters
Speaker 2: that are not known to private citizens, So the cops
Speaker 2: have inside scoop to services and that endangers victims more.
Speaker 2: And I did not even think about that ever. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like even if you're not directly looking, you
Speaker 1: can like send a friend like, oh, we're looking for
Speaker 1: a woman, like you know. Yeah, it's scary because I
Speaker 1: remember in my college days when I volunteered at a shelter,
Speaker 1: like all donations went to a church, like the address
Speaker 1: was not given to anyone. Most of our training for
Speaker 1: the phones was like, do not tell anyone where you
Speaker 1: are and like secret.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the cops fucking know.
Speaker 2: And also cops, no other cops, the das, the judges,
Speaker 2: like it is really an intertwined thing.
Speaker 3: So just a little aside to fill you in there.
Speaker 2: So finally we're up to June twenty twenty one, Boston
Speaker 2: Mayor Kim Janey made an announcement that she fired the
Speaker 2: Commissioner Dennis White because of the domestic abuse allegations against
Speaker 2: him that surfaced because of the Boston Globe investigation. And FYI,
Speaker 2: this Mayor Janey is not who put him in. The
Speaker 2: one who put him in right before was Marty Walsh,
Speaker 2: and Walsh was was the mayor from twenty fourteen to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, put this cop in the position and
Speaker 2: pieced out to become the US Department Labor Secretary, And
Speaker 2: he was there for two years and just left that
Speaker 2: position to become the executive director of the National Hockey
Speaker 2: League Players Association, which is just like, is this veep?
Speaker 2: Like it's so funny to me just to go from
Speaker 2: government to hockey. But I guess that it happens. So
Speaker 2: Janey is now who put him in? Marty Walsh did,
Speaker 2: and then Marty Peace. And Marty Walsh said he had
Speaker 2: no idea about the restraining order and if he did,
Speaker 2: he would not have named this guy the commissioner. But
Speaker 2: White said he did tell Walsh about them, and I
Speaker 2: don't care what either of them said, but he explained
Speaker 2: to Walsh that it was like all false accusations, but
Speaker 2: that he was like very transparent. Walsh said, not transparent.
Speaker 2: So all this Walsh and White drama back and forth
Speaker 2: like if he knew or didn't know is all published
Speaker 2: in a magazine called New common Wealth, and it's sponsored
Speaker 2: by a think tank called the Massachusetts Institute. It's a nonprofit,
Speaker 2: nonpartisan think tank which is identified as mass Inc. They
Speaker 2: call themselves journalism at its best, and that it's in depth,
Speaker 2: balanced and independent. I just thought I would have I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's real or not, Okay, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like yeah, Like I don't know who's
Speaker 2: paying for it. I don't know the articles I read.
Speaker 2: I mean I used all you know, you guys can
Speaker 2: look at our sources. But I did use the Commonwealth
Speaker 2: a few times. And since it's in Boston, they did
Speaker 2: get some good interviews. But I thought I would be
Speaker 2: transparent that I don't know Commonwealth is real.
Speaker 3: If the mass inc Is a real thing? Yeah, got it?
Speaker 3: But they are, you know, so did the guy? Did
Speaker 3: Walsh know or not know? We don't know.
Speaker 2: But White's attorney released a videotaped Affidavid from Frank Mantini
Speaker 2: sounds like a noodle, who is the police Department's former
Speaker 2: chief of Professional Standards, and he confirmed that electronic records
Speaker 2: show that he accessed White's nineteen ninety three and nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine internal affairs cases in January twenty fourteen, when
Speaker 2: White was promoted.
Speaker 3: Hmmmm. The mayor, Janey said that.
Speaker 2: The allegations eroded the public trust in his judgment and
Speaker 2: raised serious questions about his fitness to lead the Boston
Speaker 2: Police Department. According to USA Today, the fact that they
Speaker 2: didn't take this into account beforehand is just embarrassing and
Speaker 2: the evidence of how bad they are at their jobs.
Speaker 2: Like you're about to make someone a police commissioner and
Speaker 2: you it looks bad if you didn't find all this,
Speaker 2: and it looks bad if you found it and didn't care, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know which one's worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're detectives, Like what do you what do
Speaker 2: you mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe they thought no one else would find it, and
Speaker 1: then the Boston Globe, did you know?
Speaker 3: They rolled the dice.
Speaker 2: Some people believe that the officer being a black man
Speaker 2: played a role in the investigation. Also, they say that
Speaker 2: he was not fully cooperating during the investigation, and he
Speaker 2: kept hanging out at the police headquarters even though he
Speaker 2: was still on administrative leave. He said he only didn't
Speaker 2: answer questions that were outside the scope of the investigation
Speaker 2: and questions he found inappropriate, and that's why people think
Speaker 2: he wasn't fully cooperating. But also you don't get to
Speaker 2: choose what questions are appropriate or not or what the
Speaker 2: scope is like in charge here babes like you don't
Speaker 2: get to fight against the questions. According to Jane, he
Speaker 2: failed to understand the importance of domestic violence concerns to
Speaker 2: the public, and he may have intimidated witnesses as well,
Speaker 2: who are already reluctant to speak. Janie is the first
Speaker 2: black woman to serve as mayor in Boston. Responded to
Speaker 2: the accusation that the firing had to do with him
Speaker 2: being a black man, and this was quoted in the
Speaker 2: Washington Post. She said, I will not turn a blind
Speaker 2: eye to domestic violence against black women or any women
Speaker 2: for that matter. So I'm on her side. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: mayor straight up said during the announcement. According to USA Today,
Speaker 2: it is clear that Dennis White's return as commissioner would
Speaker 2: send a chilling message to victims of domestic violence in
Speaker 2: our city.
Speaker 3: White tried to.
Speaker 2: Get Janie removed from the investigation and saw a court
Speaker 2: order to block her from proceeding with a hearing to
Speaker 2: dismiss him. He felt entitled to a full judicial hearing
Speaker 2: in superior court, but his emotions were rejected by a
Speaker 2: Superior Court judge and by a justice on the state
Speaker 2: appeals Court. White intends to sue the city for civil
Speaker 2: rights violations. And he just kept saying, Janey has no
Speaker 2: authority to terminate me. But it's like, why would Walsh
Speaker 2: have the authority to hire you, but Jane wouldn't have
Speaker 2: it to take you off, Like they're both mayors with
Speaker 2: the same amount of power. He also claimed that Walsh
Speaker 2: apologized to him and said this is going to cost
Speaker 2: the city a lot of money if she does this
Speaker 2: to you again, according to the Commonwealth. But Walsh was like,
Speaker 2: peace out and like I said, he's now working in hockey.
Speaker 2: He doesn't care ha ha. So White did try to
Speaker 2: sue the city. So as of July twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: a judge has thrown out eleven of the fourteen counts
Speaker 2: in White's lawsuit against the city. The suits that are
Speaker 2: allowed are allegations of a due process violation, defamation, and
Speaker 2: right to privacy. The judge, Leosorcin, said that White failed
Speaker 2: to prove that his firing was discriminatory. And I don't
Speaker 2: know how any of these cases have turned out or
Speaker 2: the courts have seen him.
Speaker 1: I've not got a lot of Boston. Boston listeners. You guys,
Speaker 1: let us know if you know what happened to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know anything after July twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: and this is going to your NPR's, your commonwealths. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Boston heralds. I'm in there, have not found anything.
Speaker 3: But it's wild that this all came.
Speaker 1: I wonder if when it came like a back into
Speaker 1: the consciousness in twenty twenty one, then's people thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this sounds like that SVU episode kind of. But either way, interesting.
Speaker 1: We can we can always find out from Neilber whether
Speaker 1: we were right or wrong. But it was an interesting case.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: And looking at his photo, I don't I can't tell.
Speaker 3: I want to judge him.
Speaker 2: What makes me not trust him at all is him
Speaker 2: saying all of this is fake.
Speaker 3: Deny, deny, deny.
Speaker 2: But it's like, but then you are admitting that things
Speaker 2: got Yeah, you did put lay your hands on your
Speaker 2: niece and your fucking wife, and then so why are
Speaker 2: you denying it?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not and then like just not taking
Speaker 1: any kind of accountability of any sorts. But whatever, So
Speaker 1: that's the case, and we have here an incredible guest,
Speaker 1: I would say one of my favorite guests we've ever had.
Speaker 1: By the time of my life with this person. So
Speaker 1: I really can't wait for you guys, So let's anywhere.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is an actor who's been in some
Speaker 1: huge titles over the years. You guys may remember from
Speaker 1: some classic movies such as The Insider, The Negotiator, and
Speaker 1: Bad Boys. He's also been in iconic television shows like
Speaker 1: twenty four and Alisa and Cara favorite Dexter. But you
Speaker 1: know him today as a rapist cop and a frying
Speaker 1: pan assault victim. Lloyd Andrews. Please enjoy our chat with
Speaker 1: the lovely Nestor Serrano. Wow, we're so excited at this
Speaker 1: is so great. Yeah, you've been no, because we've been
Speaker 1: intuban in our lives for dec been into iconic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that may be Bad Boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you kidding? Your face has been with us
Speaker 2: for decades.
Speaker 1: And two iconic episodes of SBU I mean, not just
Speaker 1: the one we're talking about today.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about both if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, this one today is the one where
Speaker 1: you're the cop in this sort of volatile relationship with
Speaker 1: the white I remember. And then the another other one
Speaker 1: is you're married. You're married to a sixteen year old starlet,
Speaker 1: you're her manager or like you're her director, and then
Speaker 1: it turns out you're married to her and you're forty
Speaker 1: and she's sixteen.
Speaker 4: Yes, now that one I remember as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, that's such a That whole law
Speaker 5: and order grouping of productions is such a breeding ground
Speaker 5: for people that are you know, gonna make it. I mean,
Speaker 5: if you think about I was thinking about what because
Speaker 5: I watched itlast night in anticipation of this interview and
Speaker 5: Amy Carlson. You know, she is so incredibly and I
Speaker 5: don't want to I don't want to come out here
Speaker 5: and stop blowing smoke up people's ass.
Speaker 4: But she is really so talented.
Speaker 5: I think we should all be so unfortunate to end
Speaker 5: up doing eight seasons on Blue Bloods. But her talent
Speaker 5: so far exee that, you know, but her talent is
Speaker 5: so I mean, you know, she should be on the
Speaker 5: big screen doing like, you know, really good stuff. She's
Speaker 5: incredibly taped and I got to make out with her.
Speaker 1: You guys are both really you guys are yeah, you're
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3: You guys are really going to tell you God.
Speaker 2: That might be one of the I can't think of
Speaker 2: another full on makeout in the courtroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be the only courtroom makeout that SBO
Speaker 1: has had.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, it's just an interesting episode
Speaker 1: because it's really like, it's not the way that a
Speaker 1: lot of the episodes of the show are. It's like
Speaker 1: very I don't know, it's so interesting, like I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing both sides. We know your character is like guilty,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like that we see the real.
Speaker 4: Toxic Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very of like.
Speaker 5: These very multi layered, you know, because on the one hand,
Speaker 5: when I was thinking, well, how do I justify that
Speaker 5: I didn't do any research, you know, because after all,
Speaker 5: I am an actor.
Speaker 4: But the point the.
Speaker 5: Fact is that it's it's an every man or every
Speaker 5: woman episode. You know, everybody is involved in a relationship,
Speaker 5: and everyone, I imagine everyone has had a toxic relationship
Speaker 5: where things get you know, a little heated, and sometimes
Speaker 5: people have had relationships where things get physically uh, you know, combative,
Speaker 5: and so it's something everybody can understand.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like a rip from the headlines.
Speaker 5: It was a forty year old man with a sixteen
Speaker 5: year old girl, you know, this is something that a
Speaker 5: lot of people can go, oh right if I didn't
Speaker 5: do it, if you know my brother in law is
Speaker 5: in one of those or my uncles in one of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also just like the police, like the whole
Speaker 1: thing of like you being a police officer and like
Speaker 1: are you going to be like will you face consequences
Speaker 1: for everything? And how the other cops are backing you
Speaker 1: up without like you know, no questions asked, And.
Speaker 3: Well, and you get hit with a frying pan? Yeah,
Speaker 3: well let's start there.
Speaker 4: Let's how it start there.
Speaker 5: So I read that in the script and I said, well,
Speaker 5: you know, this is of course before CGI or anything
Speaker 5: like that. And I thought, well, I don't know how
Speaker 5: they're going to do that. You know they're going to
Speaker 5: make but there's going to be a shot of her
Speaker 5: throwing it and then a shot of me, like make
Speaker 5: believe I got hit with it. But no, they came
Speaker 5: out with a rubber Oh it was a rubber frying pan,
Speaker 5: but it couldn't be dense enough to like really hurt
Speaker 5: me if it hit me, which it did, And of
Speaker 5: course we had to shoot it, like you know.
Speaker 4: Ten times. And she has a pretty good arm.
Speaker 5: I think She got me about five times, so that's
Speaker 5: a pretty good batting average. And she will you know,
Speaker 5: we were probably about twenty five thirty feet away.
Speaker 4: From each other, so that's that's not easy to do.
Speaker 5: And so the rubber had to be heavy enough to
Speaker 5: as it took flight, to look like it was a pan,
Speaker 5: but it couldn't be made out of foam because you know,
Speaker 5: so it was interesting. So I was trying to tell
Speaker 5: my wife that I'm doing this podcast and she goes, oh,
Speaker 5: what episode And I go, it's the one where Amy
Speaker 5: Carlson is We're in the courtroom. And Belzer says and
Speaker 5: she goes, wait, wait are you talking the frying pans?
Speaker 5: They go yes, she goes, from now on, just say
Speaker 5: the frying.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's stuff. So from now on, that
Speaker 3: frying pan up.
Speaker 2: There's another show, Karen, I love and you might be
Speaker 2: our first guest that's been on the slab on Dexter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we've had other.
Speaker 2: Dexter people, but not on the slab. Any comments from that.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you. I can tell you a story
Speaker 4: about Dexter.
Speaker 5: Yes please, the woman who played the detective on Dexter.
Speaker 4: If you're familiar with this.
Speaker 3: She was the lieutenant on there, La Guerta.
Speaker 5: Yes, Lauren Valez, Yes, she was my girlfriend for ten
Speaker 5: years in real life. We dated when we were little eighty,
Speaker 5: when we were a lot younger. Wow, we dated for
Speaker 5: ten years.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, she was just in an episode that we watched.
Speaker 1: She's in the episode Obscene. She's in the episode that
Speaker 1: you're in when you date the sixteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: She's the lawyer for the guy who assaults the sixteen
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, our paths have crossed many.
Speaker 3: Bingo, bingo. You and Lauren Valez. Oh my god. I
Speaker 3: loved her on that show.
Speaker 5: And so we broke up right And after we broke up,
Speaker 5: we had the same manager. And my manager called me
Speaker 5: up about three months after we broke up and she said, hey,
Speaker 5: I got an offer for you to work on this
Speaker 5: movie without Pacino.
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting the name of it now, but it was
Speaker 4: a you know when it.
Speaker 5: Was City by the City, City Hall, City Hall, I
Speaker 5: think it was gone.
Speaker 4: And she said that's the good news. The bad news
Speaker 4: is your wife is played by Lauren Valets. And I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, we even though it.
Speaker 5: Was a semi amicable breakup, you know, it's not the.
Speaker 4: Way I wanted to see her again for the first time.
Speaker 4: But anyway, she's terrific. We had a great time.
Speaker 5: I would drive her home after work every day working
Speaker 5: on that set. She's incredible. But anyway, so cut to Dexter.
Speaker 5: I get killed in Dexter. I think it was a
Speaker 5: two episode job that I did, and she gets killed
Speaker 5: in Dexter in that same episode. And what we had
Speaker 5: to do when we're both laying down dead in that what.
Speaker 4: Do you call that? It was like a big dumpster
Speaker 4: whatever that.
Speaker 3: Was, yeah, ship container, shipping container.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had to lay down. You know, when you're
Speaker 5: laying in a pool of blood, you're not allowed to
Speaker 5: move because you know the continuity, right, if you get up,
Speaker 5: you can lay back down, it will never be the
Speaker 5: same and you're going to do a shot and it's
Speaker 5: not going to match.
Speaker 4: So we were laying down in the.
Speaker 5: Same position next to each other in a puddle of
Speaker 5: puddles of blood, and we held hands while we were
Speaker 5: both laying waiting for the lighting and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: When we were reminiscing about the old days. It was
Speaker 4: very sweet.
Speaker 3: That is so cute. Oh my god, And you're probably
Speaker 3: like I can't believe this is my life. I'm just
Speaker 3: like lying in a pool of blood for an hour.
Speaker 4: Like I wish you were. It was many hours, but
Speaker 4: many hours. I wouldn't. I wouldn't lay down in a
Speaker 4: pool of blood with anybody else.
Speaker 2: Wait, but back to SVU asunder your police friends defending
Speaker 2: your friends. You have some friends that would have your back.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't, not anymore.
Speaker 5: But now I have friends that will just like they
Speaker 5: won't even answer my call if I'm in trouble.
Speaker 4: But I had friends back in the day when I
Speaker 4: was like you know, in LA and Pilot seasons and
Speaker 4: Dean Norris.
Speaker 2: You know Dean Norris, Yeah, breaking bad right, breaking bed?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Norris and I we had many late night.
Speaker 4: Calls and Clause and Clause. I did an episode of Clause, and.
Speaker 1: You did an episode of Clause where you were Quiet
Speaker 1: Anne's dad. And we have had Judy Reyes on our
Speaker 1: podcast She had Quiet Anne has been on our podcasts,
Speaker 1: and you played her dad, which is I love a
Speaker 1: full cycle moment.
Speaker 4: Turned out to be gay?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So Dean Norris and I, you know, I
Speaker 5: would spend I met him when I was doing American
Speaker 5: Repertory Theater in Harvard and he was a student there
Speaker 5: and we became really close. And then I came out
Speaker 5: to La and I was doing a movie Leath a
Speaker 5: Weapon two, and all of a sudden, there's a knock
Speaker 5: on my door and I opened it up and there
Speaker 5: was Jean and he's like, Hey, I'm in this fucking
Speaker 5: movie too. Because he can't he can't say anything without
Speaker 5: a curse word, so he's like, ah, motherfucker, I'm in
Speaker 5: the fucking movie with you.
Speaker 4: You fucking Anyway, we had.
Speaker 5: A blast doing that, and then you know, I would
Speaker 5: go out there for Pilot season when I was still
Speaker 5: in New York at that time, and I'd fly out
Speaker 5: to Pilot Seas and hang out with him and get man,
Speaker 5: we just got just like every night we would go
Speaker 5: out until all hours of the night. We owned the bar.
Speaker 5: We would it was. It was mayhem. It was such
Speaker 5: a great time. And then you know, at some point
Speaker 5: somebody would get a call. One of us would get
Speaker 5: a call from the other one's agent and go, well,
Speaker 5: we're gonna have to bail the other guy out.
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding you. There were calls like that.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh that was a lot.
Speaker 5: Of fun and we always had each other's back, and
Speaker 5: there were there was a crew of us.
Speaker 4: There were probably about six or seven.
Speaker 5: Of But nowadays, like, you know, no, nobody's looking watching
Speaker 5: my back anymore. The guys who would watch my back,
Speaker 5: with the exception of Dean are either still in jail
Speaker 5: or dead.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that is so funny.
Speaker 2: Did you know Christopher Maloney or Iced Tea? Like, did
Speaker 2: you know any Hargatea? Did you know any of the
Speaker 2: actors going in?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: When I got in to do that episode, I had
Speaker 5: just finished doing or had just released a movie I
Speaker 5: called The Insider, And Mariska was so impressed, and then
Speaker 5: Chris was too. But Mariska was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: that's like the best movie I have ever seen.
Speaker 4: It so incredible.
Speaker 5: You know, Russell Crowe is in it out Pacino and
Speaker 5: it's a huge, huge cast, and I have a small partner.
Speaker 5: But they were very impressed, and they were so happy together.
Speaker 5: You know, they were skipping around and everybody was so
Speaker 5: you know, like in between takes, you'd hear Mauritiica say
Speaker 5: to Chris, so you go into the gym in the morning, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna go, You're gonna go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, why don't we go together? Okay?
Speaker 5: And then I went back about two years three years later,
Speaker 5: and it was a slightly different.
Speaker 1: Vibe because you were there for like you were there
Speaker 1: for like not like the honeymoon, but like kind of
Speaker 1: the beginning, like the sweet like oh there.
Speaker 3: It was the second season. They were probably just like
Speaker 3: we got another season. We're rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: They were seven, and Chris was Chris was super cool,
Speaker 5: so was everybody was super cool. And and Iced Tea,
Speaker 5: you know, because you guys do this for a living.
Speaker 5: But when you make somebody like Belly laugh, it sticked.
Speaker 5: It hits you, right, It's kind of like sends a
Speaker 5: little dopamine in your brain and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I just made that person like really crack up.
Speaker 4: And I you know, I told a joke on set,
Speaker 4: and Iced Tea was just like on the floor, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh shit, that was cool.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: And I bet, and I bet making Iced Tea laugh
Speaker 2: is more fun than the regular person too.
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, I mean, he was he
Speaker 5: was incredible. Everybody there was so incredible. They really were.
Speaker 4: And I don't again. I hate the idea of like
Speaker 4: just talking people up being.
Speaker 5: But you know, on a on a sour note, you know,
Speaker 5: losing Richard was so sad.
Speaker 4: I met him.
Speaker 5: I think he was a regular member of the Friars
Speaker 5: Club and we were on a dais together one time,
Speaker 5: and it just it's just so sad to have lost him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were really, I mean we didn't know him personally,
Speaker 1: of course, but like just the character the actors, such
Speaker 1: a great, such an important.
Speaker 4: Yea, his character was terrific.
Speaker 5: But him, you know, him as a as a person
Speaker 5: was just gracious.
Speaker 1: And that's what everybody like. He just seems like he
Speaker 1: lived a good life. He used to live near me
Speaker 1: on the Upper West Side, and I would see him
Speaker 1: with his dogs on my corner at this cafe.
Speaker 3: But I never wanted to bother.
Speaker 1: Him, and I'm happy I didn't, but I wish I
Speaker 1: could have met him one time.
Speaker 5: You know, you're in life, and the busier you are,
Speaker 5: the more people you meet. You know, when you go
Speaker 5: on set, sometimes you can meet one hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: people in a day, and you know you'll meet twenty
Speaker 5: actors in a day and you're doing twenty two episodes
Speaker 5: a year and you'll meet a thousand actors and for
Speaker 5: him to you know, single me out and remember me,
Speaker 5: you know, two years after we had worked together again
Speaker 5: at the Friars Club. I thought was was a testament
Speaker 5: to his humanity, you know, his ability to connect with
Speaker 5: people in a way that's profound, you know, as.
Speaker 4: Opposed to the kind of glossy hey, how you doing that? Whatever?
Speaker 4: You hey champ hey Sport. He was a wonderful person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really good to hear. We hear it from
Speaker 3: We've heard it from a couple of people.
Speaker 2: That's just like such a thoughtful thing to say about
Speaker 2: someone too, you know, that's like a very specific compliment
Speaker 2: of a person.
Speaker 5: Well, because you bump into so many people, there are
Speaker 5: a few people that you know. Tom x is another
Speaker 5: one that was like with me, it's just so easy
Speaker 5: to just kind of like give a casual hey, yeah,
Speaker 5: how you doing, Nice to see you again, and they really.
Speaker 4: Don't know who you are, you know, they've forgotten who
Speaker 4: you are. But in the case of Bellzer, Hanks and Smith,
Speaker 4: Will Smith is like that.
Speaker 5: And I bring up those big names not to be
Speaker 5: a name dropper, but because these guys are so big
Speaker 5: in what they do and they meet so many people
Speaker 5: that it becomes easier to you know, lose the tree
Speaker 5: for the forest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like what we we always hear about Marishka Hargateay,
Speaker 1: Like she's been number one on the show for like
Speaker 1: twenty four years and everybody says how gracious and lovely
Speaker 1: she is and she doesn't have like she doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be. And somebody was just saying the same thing
Speaker 1: about Tom Hanks to me. Who was it, Oh, Michael Churnis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was saying, Yeah, he was saying like that, Yeah
Speaker 1: he did this movie with Tom Hanks and that Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks is.
Speaker 2: But he also just said that about Will Smith too.
Speaker 2: It was about the both of them. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was last week.
Speaker 5: If you know the guys, I don't know if you do,
Speaker 5: but if you know both of those guys, you wouldn't know.
Speaker 3: You don't know that we don't because.
Speaker 5: They really are incredibly I mean, you know, unfortunately things
Speaker 5: have changed for Will since the last since the Chris
Speaker 5: Rock slap, but they they You know, Tom Hanks, everything
Speaker 5: you've heard about him is absolutely you know true.
Speaker 4: He's just one of the.
Speaker 5: Kindest gentlest Sweetest. I worked with him in the first
Speaker 5: movie I ever did. I did The Money Pick.
Speaker 3: The Money, Yeah, the Money Pig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that on your IMDb and I was like,
Speaker 1: I remember watching that movie as a kid for sure,
Speaker 1: and I was like a huge Shelley Long fan too.
Speaker 4: Oh kay, yeah, yeah she was paying ass. But that's
Speaker 4: enough really Yeah. I was the guy wearing shower cat.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so so Tom and I worked together in
Speaker 5: that for like a minute, you know, I was on
Speaker 5: a small park and then I'm doing a Broadway show
Speaker 5: and he comes knocking at my door. Now this is
Speaker 5: right after I mean The Money Pig just there been released,
Speaker 5: and he was still, you know, kind of like a
Speaker 5: He knocked on my dressing room door with Rita Wilson
Speaker 5: and he goes, hey, Nestor, I saw you on the
Speaker 5: on the pay on the playbill and I said, oh
Speaker 5: my god, that's Nester. He was so he you know,
Speaker 5: would you mind introducing me to Robert de Niro?
Speaker 4: I said no.
Speaker 5: And then I go to La and I'm doing a
Speaker 5: play in La and coincidentally he goes to see that
Speaker 5: play and then he says, nessor this is a this
Speaker 5: is more than a coincidence, we got to hang out.
Speaker 5: So I'm hanging out with Tom Hanks at his house
Speaker 5: and uh so, John love it. It's a couple of
Speaker 5: other guys from Saturday and Lava there and some producers
Speaker 5: and it was just so great and.
Speaker 4: We hung out a few times and so that was
Speaker 4: the end of that.
Speaker 5: And then like twenty five years later, my wife and
Speaker 5: I are walking down Eighth Avenue right around thirteenth Street,
Speaker 5: and it was a cold, blistery day and we're all
Speaker 5: bundled up in this very few people on the street
Speaker 5: and we passed this group of people and my wife says.
Speaker 4: I think that was Tom Hanks and.
Speaker 5: I turned around and Tom Hanks it stopped and he
Speaker 5: was like trying to figure it out, and he goes.
Speaker 4: Nester Serranto, how you doing?
Speaker 5: And it was him with Colin and his two other
Speaker 5: younger boys, and we talked for a while.
Speaker 4: But you know, twenty five years later, it was amazing.
Speaker 4: It was just amazing.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I love these stories. By the way, you never
Speaker 1: have to worry about name dropping with the two of us.
Speaker 3: We will hear it all day long. We love it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's everything. He's everything. You'd ever you know,
Speaker 5: all the stories. Everybody says, oh, he's like the best,
Speaker 5: but he really is.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe you're the person that introduced Tom
Speaker 1: Hankston's an hero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, you're that's a that's a big moment.
Speaker 5: Well, you know again, Tom was just up and coming.
Speaker 5: And if you would have seen the line of people
Speaker 5: that were lined up to see Robert de Niro after
Speaker 5: the show, it was like like Don Carleone on his
Speaker 5: daughter's wedding. You know, everybody he just wanted to kiss
Speaker 5: de Niro's ring, and Chris walk and Martin Scorsesey, Dustin Hoffman,
Speaker 5: Robin Williams, a line, Meryl Streep, Robert Duval, everybody would
Speaker 5: line up. And so, you know, poor Tom, he was
Speaker 5: just a kid who had done Bachelor Party and this
Speaker 5: new movie The Money Pit, and so he needed a
Speaker 5: little help. Yeah, so I hooked the brother up.
Speaker 3: Love It, Love It.
Speaker 2: Is there a part in a show that you would
Speaker 2: love to play still, like in a theater production.
Speaker 5: I'd like to go back to doing a classical theater,
Speaker 5: which is one of the things that I would I
Speaker 5: always enjoyed doing classical. One of my bride and Joys
Speaker 5: was playing Patrick Stewart's brother in Tempest on Broadway, and
Speaker 5: it was, you know, being on stage with Robert de
Speaker 5: Niro was terrific, and I love that character that I played,
Speaker 5: such a fun character. But to be on stage doing Shakespeare,
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's I can't imagine any theatrical actor
Speaker 5: that wouldn't you know, chomping at the bit to do
Speaker 5: something like that. And I did a lot of that
Speaker 5: when I was a kid. That's how I got rid
Speaker 5: of my New York accent, right, I don't got a
Speaker 5: New York accent? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I was gonna say when you and Patrick
Speaker 1: Stewart were brothers who had to talk like who, did
Speaker 1: you have to do kind of a Patrick Stewart sound or.
Speaker 3: Did he have to talk a little bit more?
Speaker 5: No, you know, one of the great things about theater
Speaker 5: is that it doesn't have to It doesn't have to
Speaker 5: make so much sense because you know, and especially.
Speaker 4: Now, I mean that was a while ago.
Speaker 5: Now you can have two brothers and one guy's you know,
Speaker 5: Asian and the other guy's black.
Speaker 4: And you buy it.
Speaker 5: But no, I a quick story on that. Lev Shreiber
Speaker 5: was playing and I were working together in a scene there,
Speaker 5: and it was a really great scene that we were doing.
Speaker 5: And even though everybody else is on all the members
Speaker 5: of the court are on stage, it was just Leev
Speaker 5: and I And at the time, I was smoking cigars
Speaker 5: and so we were doing a table reading and my
Speaker 5: cigar wasn't lit. But I'm toying with it, you know,
Speaker 5: while I'm talking to him, and the scene is so sneaky,
Speaker 5: you know, like we're inspiring, and I got into this
Speaker 5: thing where I started to think of it.
Speaker 4: You know, this is almost like two gangsters, you know.
Speaker 4: So I'm doing this thing and I'm talking to him Leev,
Speaker 4: and I'm doing this whole thing like this, but I'm
Speaker 4: doing Elizabethan Wortz, but I'm talking like this. It just
Speaker 4: kind of like it wasn't an act.
Speaker 5: It just kind of like felt right, It felt organic,
Speaker 5: and I knew we weren't going to do it that way.
Speaker 5: But at one point the director had dialect coaches come
Speaker 5: in and they heard me doing that, and I got
Speaker 5: sent to dialect school and Leev was like making fun
Speaker 5: of me because he said to it, but I did.
Speaker 5: I didn't have to do it. I was playing up
Speaker 5: that character. But I ended up getting into trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I got sent a dialect school, but Patrick and I
Speaker 5: never really had any scenes together. So even though you know,
Speaker 5: my mid Atlantic, which is what they call non standard
Speaker 5: American English, is such that if you were if we
Speaker 5: were talking to each other and you listen carefully, you
Speaker 5: might notice that I don't have a British accent, and
Speaker 5: he did, but it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Noticeable enough that it would have made anybody's ears perk.
Speaker 3: Up right well, and especially reading.
Speaker 5: Going back to doing a classical theater was I'm seriously
Speaker 5: thinking about maybe hanging up my film and.
Speaker 4: TV shoes and doing some theater here locally. There's some
Speaker 4: good theater in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: This was awesome something and we got so much from
Speaker 1: you for this. This is gonna be great, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time to talk to us.
Speaker 3: This was wonderful.
Speaker 4: It was my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with him and everything he stands for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is fun.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to go to his house
Speaker 2: in his weird, gaudy office.
Speaker 1: You have some maybe he's not drinking, he's not drinking anymore,
Speaker 1: but like we could do so we talked to him
Speaker 1: for over an hour, like he was really we could
Speaker 1: We wish we could put the whole interview, but you
Speaker 1: guys would probably be like, that's too much. But uh,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to fun talk to Yeah, he was fun,
Speaker 1: he was cool.
Speaker 2: He you know, just had his head on straight. I'm obsessed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say top ten guests. No thanks to our
Speaker 2: guests who didn't make the cut. Also, I did remember
Speaker 2: something that maybe could have gone in the intro, not
Speaker 2: a full post mortem. So you know, I was working
Speaker 2: on something where the ad as being a bitch.
Speaker 3: Yes, I told you about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I went to I saw someone else who
Speaker 2: had a part in the movie, and before I said anything,
Speaker 2: they started talking about how the AD was an awful
Speaker 2: bitch to them.
Speaker 3: Of course. I mean it's like, I think she.
Speaker 2: Just likes to go after the people that are there
Speaker 2: for a few days having a great time, and she
Speaker 2: because she can't take it out on anyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't take go after the stars or like the director.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I was like, ugh, great to hear
Speaker 2: that she's out there bullying everybody.
Speaker 4: So that was just nice.
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of some of the tea I was
Speaker 1: getting as well from the person in the picket line,
Speaker 1: but I can't talk about it all to tell you off, Mike,
Speaker 1: but about the ad no about another person in a
Speaker 1: high up position at a television show acting like an asshole,
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's such a shame because I
Speaker 1: feel like people it doesn't take that.
Speaker 2: Much to be nice, Like it really doesn't. No, No,
Speaker 2: I think they like being me Emmy. I think she
Speaker 2: like enjoys it. I think it's part of her daily
Speaker 2: mantras of like I can't wait to ruin a young
Speaker 2: person's life who's so excited, Like I think she gets
Speaker 2: off on it. Honestly, you gotta watch Beef. Some people
Speaker 2: are angry fucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, that's like what I feel like Beef
Speaker 1: is tapping into is like the anger.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so twisted and good. Also off Summerhouse.
Speaker 2: I know you don't watch the seasonal homes, but the
Speaker 2: four like this. You know how we went into Vanderpump
Speaker 2: knowing there's a cheating thing. We went into Summerhouse knowing
Speaker 2: a friendship breaks, an eight year friendship between Lindsay and
Speaker 2: Danielle breaks off. And this week, this most recent episode,
Speaker 2: we're in the time machine. But it finally came to
Speaker 2: a head because Lindsay's a lunatic. So the whole time
Speaker 2: before it starts and watch what happened, all the evidence
Speaker 2: were like, can't wait to see what Lindsay's crazy ass did.
Speaker 3: It's truly Danielle. Danielle is a menace this season.
Speaker 2: It is shocking and basically at all like the friendship
Speaker 2: ending thing happened this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend was telling me about this yesterday. Our friend,
Speaker 1: our friend. It's really nuts. So what did your what
Speaker 1: did our friends say?
Speaker 3: She said?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like yeah, And at the end, it's like, wow, Danielle,
Speaker 1: bad luck, Like she looks terrible, Like that's she agreed
Speaker 1: with you basically what you just said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I understand Danielle's feeling.
Speaker 2: She could be feeling left out, her friends changed, Lindsay's
Speaker 2: aboutfort like, she could be feeling lots of things, her
Speaker 2: relationships on the rocks, they're not broken up, like you
Speaker 2: can feel all those things. But basically, like Lindsay gets
Speaker 2: engaged and Danielle makes all about her start screaming, Like
Speaker 2: Kyle gets the group together, going, hey, guys, Carl just
Speaker 2: proposed to Lindsay, we're all going to this bar, he
Speaker 2: has all her family and friends flew in. Let's party
Speaker 2: this engagement, and Danielle goes, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: This is fucked up? Why did nobody tell me?
Speaker 2: I can't believe nobody told me, and start like all
Speaker 2: the younger people are like they don't.
Speaker 3: Their faces are in shock.
Speaker 2: No one knows how to react because everyone's like, yay,
Speaker 2: they're engaged, and why would anyone include you? When Carl
Speaker 2: said he was shopping for rings, she picked up a
Speaker 2: pillow and screamed into the pillow, and she said that
Speaker 2: their relationship is weird, that it's moving too fast and
Speaker 2: has all these judgments. So then to also want to
Speaker 2: be included in the planning is nuts. So she's screaming, crying.
Speaker 2: Finally gets it together to go to this party, and
Speaker 2: you would think as an adult, and it's not about you.
Speaker 2: My friends are engaged. I'm gonna say congrats, smile and cry. Later,
Speaker 2: she goes out to every single person at the party goes,
Speaker 2: so when did you find out?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, well I just found out. So I'm pretty fucking pissed.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And so Lindsay's best friend was like, well, I had
Speaker 2: to know ahead of time because I had to fly here,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I needed to make arrangements. And she keeps
Speaker 2: going and the friend is like, you need to stop.
Speaker 2: This is Lindsay's happiest day of her life. This isn't
Speaker 2: about you. You need to shut your fucking mouth. And like
Speaker 2: Lindsay comes in, hugs her stepdad or her dad and
Speaker 2: like they're crying and it's this like beautiful moment and
Speaker 2: Danielle is just crying, screaming and making it all about
Speaker 2: her psycho.
Speaker 3: I mean that's like, that's like narcissism hardcore. It's it's
Speaker 3: but she's not. I don't think she is.
Speaker 2: I get what she's feeling inside, but it's like you
Speaker 2: are raised wrong, you are right.
Speaker 3: How old is she is? She like twenty two? No,
Speaker 3: they're in their thirties. They're old. Yeah, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That behavior is crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also heard there's a new Trinity grat on the show.
Speaker 1: Yes there, Yeah, Gabby. I looked her up. I looked
Speaker 1: her up. Let me just say we did not overlap.
Speaker 1: She is a much more recent gratuate than me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyle's your ear right, Kyle's like the year right below me.
Speaker 1: But we're like the same age because I'm young for
Speaker 1: my grade. That's the only thing I'm young for anyway.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I know this is kind of you know,
Speaker 2: if you're not watching Summerhouse, that might have been too much.
Speaker 2: But it's just like going into the season, you're like,
Speaker 2: cause Danielle is so but also it's like you don't
Speaker 2: have to be friends with Lindsay, but you want to
Speaker 2: because you want to be on the show out Like
Speaker 2: she was always just like Lindsay's friend who is calm
Speaker 2: and boring, right, And now that Lindsay has like a
Speaker 2: partner she's excited about. Danielle just can't handle it and
Speaker 2: she keeps me like I was there for you when
Speaker 2: everything was shitty, and it's like, yeah, there are friends
Speaker 2: who only like when you're in the dumps and when
Speaker 2: they're doing wow, they can't celebrate you. And Robert and
Speaker 2: her moved in together after too, Like she's being a
Speaker 2: hypocrite this whole time and talking shit about Lindsay to
Speaker 2: the other girls in the house who don't like her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like, I know you're saying that
Speaker 1: she's not a narcissist, and that's very possible. But like
Speaker 1: I do think that in moments like this, people really
Speaker 1: show their true colors, like when this is like this
Speaker 1: is so above and beyond like the.
Speaker 3: Way that like people need to watch it.
Speaker 1: I someone is acting like when someone's a bridesmaid in
Speaker 1: someone's wedding and acts crazy, when someone's like planning someone's
Speaker 1: baby shower nexts crazy. It's like these are this is
Speaker 1: someone else's moment that you're fully commendeering, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's something you got to look in word about.
Speaker 3: That's wild. It's just not about you like fight later.
Speaker 2: So then so the next week and they all go
Speaker 2: in it's the last week in the house, and Lindsay goes,
Speaker 2: not only are we no longer best friends, we are
Speaker 2: no longer friends. She goes every single she went up
Speaker 2: to every single person at the engagement party and was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm pissed no one told me I wasn't even part
Speaker 2: of the planning.
Speaker 3: Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: You have like her friends that flew in for this
Speaker 2: engagement party.
Speaker 1: Why would you be part of the planning if you've
Speaker 1: been talking shit on this couple since they like got together, Like,
Speaker 1: why would they ever include you when you're like, your
Speaker 1: relationship's weird. Why didn't you ask me to plan your engagement?
Speaker 3: So weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then her boyfriend's like I texted congrats and
Speaker 2: Carl didn't even respond.
Speaker 3: And then Carl's like, I got four hundred. I just
Speaker 3: got engaged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like it's it's appalling. But because going
Speaker 2: into the season, they were asking like who's gonna have
Speaker 2: the most to you know, own up to at the
Speaker 2: or answer to at the reunion, and everyone kept saying Danielle.
Speaker 2: And I was like, how is this gonna happen? Because
Speaker 2: Lindsay is uninged, so I was like, what is gonna happen?
Speaker 2: And it's boo Danielle, Like it is so.
Speaker 1: Fucked how much I know about the show not watching it,
Speaker 1: Like I know what these people look like, I know
Speaker 1: you're talking, I know who you're talking about, I know
Speaker 1: the story well.
Speaker 2: Because also once Lindsay they had a talk, and once
Speaker 2: Danielle was like, I feel like I've lost my friends.
Speaker 2: You don't pay attention to me. My life is hard
Speaker 2: right now. Lindsay hugs her immediately goes, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I love you so much. I'm gonna try to call
Speaker 2: you more. I'm gonna be a better friend because Lindsay
Speaker 2: is a bad friend. Yeah, but you can't do that
Speaker 2: at someone's engagement party.
Speaker 1: No, No, you have to watch her. You have to
Speaker 1: watch it. Okay, I'll watch it. I'll watch it, honest way,
Speaker 1: I'll go in my house and watch it right like
Speaker 1: right after we're done.
Speaker 3: I really will.
Speaker 2: I just don't know how she thought that she wasn't
Speaker 2: going to be the bad guy after Hey, Carl's proposing
Speaker 2: right now, we're all going to meet him at the bar?
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? This is so fucked up.
Speaker 2: That's how she reacts because.
Speaker 1: She's not thinking about anybody but herself, like truly, like
Speaker 1: she's the victim, and like that's the only reason I
Speaker 1: bring up narcissism because in malignant narcissists always the victim.
Speaker 1: It's always about them and like what people are doing
Speaker 1: to them. So that's why I brought that up. But wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 2: But what did we learn here asunder domestic episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this episode is wild because they really were
Speaker 1: trying to show a lot of he said, she said,
Speaker 1: I feel like of it all, Like we already mentioned this,
Speaker 1: but ultimately, this was an abusive relationship and he was
Speaker 1: an abuser and a guest later and he would like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't throw frying pans of people, But I think
Speaker 1: this man was traumatizing his wife.
Speaker 2: And I I mean, I can't. And I loved a
Speaker 2: court makeout scene. Not gonna lie. That was a highlight
Speaker 2: of this episode for me. Yeah, yeah, I did see
Speaker 2: on Instagram. It was like it's you know, a ticks whatever,
Speaker 2: I need help, But it said like, what was the
Speaker 2: final thing he said that made you know that you
Speaker 2: had to leave? And so I read hundreds of comments
Speaker 2: and people are getting abused. It's like fucked.
Speaker 1: My friend who listens to the podcast just posted today
Speaker 1: that her cleaning lady of five years was just killed
Speaker 1: in a domestic violence incident. And she's like I knew her.
Speaker 1: I knew a little bit about her family. She was
Speaker 1: so amazing. She knew about my family, and but I
Speaker 1: didn't know she had this abusive ex boyfriend and now
Speaker 1: she's gone. It's just so like, it's so fucked up
Speaker 1: like that men are just constantly a threat to women
Speaker 1: at all times.
Speaker 3: And it made me really sad.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Kitty, instead of like getting behind and like
Speaker 2: helping out.
Speaker 3: They're like, it's not all of us, but then it is. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 2: By the time I looked at this post, there were
Speaker 2: over four thousand comments and all of them were just
Speaker 2: like horrific, horrific things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was really wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they I mean the new season of the
Speaker 1: new season of sv I just watched the episode where
Speaker 1: Betty Buckley is. You know, it's not a good episode,
Speaker 1: I know, but she's like the special like whatever her
Speaker 1: role is. She's like the boss of careesy and everybody
Speaker 1: in the SVU higher up like the law, like the
Speaker 1: order part of it, and she like they talk about
Speaker 1: her beat. She has been in an abusive relationship and
Speaker 1: I think that's why she kind of lets that motherfucker
Speaker 1: like go. If you've seen the episode, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. But let's move on this. This segue
Speaker 1: is actually perfectly into our what would Sister Peg do
Speaker 1: for this week? That's this is our weekly segment where
Speaker 1: we direct you towards an organization, a blog post, a
Speaker 1: podcast episode, something to give you more info about what
Speaker 1: we talked about today. And as always, the Domestic Violence
Speaker 1: National Hotline is there. But this week I wanted to
Speaker 1: point you to Pandora's Project, which is an organization that
Speaker 1: is a quote a nonprofit dedicated to providing support and
Speaker 1: resources to survivors of rape and sexual abuse and their
Speaker 1: friends and family. And something I liked about Pandora's Project
Speaker 1: is some people might be hesitant to pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and actually talk to someone about what's going on
Speaker 1: with them. And they have an online support group called
Speaker 1: Pandora's Aquarium, and they just said, we believe that connecting
Speaker 1: with other rape and sexual abuse survivors is an important
Speaker 1: part of healing. So I just thought that was like
Speaker 1: a great way that people can sort of ease into
Speaker 1: just going on these forums, seeing what other people are saying,
Speaker 1: seeing if what they're experiencing, if that resonates with like
Speaker 1: what if what they're reading resonates with their own experience.
Speaker 1: So the website is pandies dot org, pa n d
Speaker 1: ys dot org and that takes you to Pandora's Aquarium
Speaker 1: and some other resources as well, and you can donate.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that.
Speaker 2: And next week, on a lighter note, I mean still rape,
Speaker 2: but an episode we've been very excited to do Comic
Speaker 2: Perversion Season fifteen, Episode fifteen.
Speaker 3: The Inside Baseball episode you've been waiting for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I keep telling comics to watch it, like
Speaker 2: I wonder if we should do a giant viewing screening.
Speaker 2: Let's get a club to let us do it, invite
Speaker 2: our guests. You guys are gonna die, and then have
Speaker 2: comics watch it. But a lot of them know about
Speaker 2: the case because I've been bringing it up, like I'll
Speaker 2: cover too, and a.
Speaker 3: Lot of them know. Whatever. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week, See you next time, bitches.
Speaker 3: Bye, guys.
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