WEBVTT - Asunder w/ Nestor Serrano 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.279 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.080 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:07.920 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:09.119 These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:10.520 These are our stories. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:31.400 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up On 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:32.680 a SVU podcast. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.240 I am Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger. We talk 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:40.840 SVU True Crime. We have celebrity guests, but up top 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.760 we chit chat, we cat chat. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:47.440 What's going on? Kara, not too much, Lisa. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.040 I'm excited because you and I are getting back on 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.160 the road very soon in June, and I just want 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.480 to really quickly remind everybody that we're going to be 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:01.120 in San Francisco at Cobbs on June eighth, out last time, guys, 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.240 get your tickets. We had the best time in Diffrancisco. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.160 Then Tempe Improv in Tempe, Arizona on June fifteenth, Denver 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.760 Comedy Works on June twenty fifth, and we've got a 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.880 big LA show at the Bourbon Room. The Bourbon Room 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.320 is a hot comedy spot. Now I'm seeing all these 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.119 good comedy shows are on their Instagram. So guys, if 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.839 you live in La, it's a really cute club. They've 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.240 got great little snacks and drinks. Come and see our show. 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:32.559 And just to add the June sixteenth and seventeenth, I'll 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.319 be in Phoenix, Arizona doing stand up, and then June 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.920 twenty sixth, one night in Denver doing stand up. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.840 You know you want to do a double feature of 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.199 TMU and Lisa, So go get your tics. And that's 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.040 all of our tickets are at. That's messed up live 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.559 dot com for our show. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:49.440 Amazing. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.680 Yeah, and I feel like in Arizona we're gonna jump. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:53.000 In a pool. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:54.520 Yeah, oh my god. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.960 You can also find us at a pool. Okay, wait, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.720 so a bunch of people have sent me this article. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.040 Did you hear about this woman who lives in Utah? 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.640 She has three kids, her husband died and she wrote 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.880 a children's book about grief and she has recently been 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:14.000 charged with his murder. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:20.040 Wow. Yeah, she gave him a fucking ventanyl cocktail. But 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.880 how wasn't it not caught? Don't people know when something's vental? 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.000 I know, it's really confusing. I don't understand. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.880 Like basically she said she brought him a moscow mule 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.000 in bed. Wow, and that like she went to go 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.600 lie down with one of her kids who was like 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.600 having a nightmare, and then she came back and he 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.679 was cold to the touch, and a medical examiner said 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.840 that he died from a ventinal overdose. He had five 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:48.320 times the lethal dosage in his system. I don't know 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.760 why the authorities like didn't immediately suspect her. I guess 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.440 maybe they thought he like did drugs that was dosed 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.240 with ventyl or something like, because ventyl overdoses are so 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.480 like common now. So then she wrote this book about 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.960 like wait, what is the book called. It's called like 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.240 are You with Me? Yeah, it's called are You with Me? 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.480 And like, you know, she gave interviews about it and 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.000 like told people like, you know, my amazing husband blah 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.519 blah blah. Then it's like she apparently tried it days 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.720 before and the husband said to a friend, I think 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.320 my wife is trying to poison me. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:27.200 And then she did it. So my question is, what 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.239 did he do? What did he do? Why did she 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.840 kill him? Like he must have done something. Well, she 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.480 might have just wanted to write this book. Yeah, that's way. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.440 She could have just write a book about like a 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.240 worm trying to achieve his dreams or something like she 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.080 had to write a book to kill her husband and 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:47.960 write a book about it. 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.200 Wow, now you have to write a secret. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:56.480 I think it's Munchausens. I think it's Munchausen by proxy vibes. Yeah, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.920 well no, because I maybe poisoning is in the air 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.200 because I saw something online where a woman got poisoned 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.840 to death in her smoothies. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.520 He was the husband was putting something in the SMOOTHIEA. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.320 Yeah, and there's the old like the old anti freeze thing, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.320 because anti freeze, like it used to taste like gatorade 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.000 or like very sweet, so you would just like put 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.880 it in gatorade or put in any sweet drink and 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.480 like no name, but they change the taste of it. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.039 But like this girl, it's so crazy to this girl 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.520 just like looks like a sorority girl and like it's 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.200 just wild that she was like sourcing fentanyl, like she 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.680 asked someone gave her hydrocodone pills and then she goes, no, 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.200 I need something stronger like some of the Michael Jackson 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:40.279 stuff and specifically as for fentanyl from somebody that she 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.800 said a client needed it. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:42.599 Or something like that. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.400 Crazy, right, But everyone just helped her because I feel 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.640 if like a weird looking dude was like I need 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.400 fentanyl for my they would be like, you're gonna murder 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:52.919 your wife? 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.320 Yeah, they just let her go. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.000 I mean she killed him in March of twenty twenty two, 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:03.520 and then she just got arrested in. 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.880 May, so it's really she didn't even get to party 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.080 too long. But in that quick of times, she wrote 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.080 a book. I mean, yeah, she got it done. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:17.040 She got it done. Women's done. Yeah, murder write a book? Listen? 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.320 Did I I didn't know any crime stuff this week, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.640 but I did watch two shows in full completion this weekend. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.040 Ooh, what did you watch? 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.680 I watched Jewish Matchmaking on Netflix and then I watched 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.640 Beef with Ali Wong. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.160 Was I the one that told you about Jewish Matchmaking 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.440 because I texted you about it? 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.120 Maybe I was already into it? No? 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:38.320 It. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.280 Tova had it on her Insta story and I really 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.760 didn't want to do anything, and I went, h a 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.080 gift from God, and I put it on and I 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.920 just sat all day. And I do like her. I 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.839 like her style a little more than Seema from Mumbai. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:06:00.400 If we're comparing Indian and Jewish matchmaking. Wow, yeah, I 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.120 think Seema is still a little too old world where 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:03.760 it's like you. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.000 Don't get everything you want. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.839 Yeah, I gotta settle, you know, Like and this one 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:14.359 seems a little more like open to meeting the people 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:19.000 where they are. But one guy, I mean one guy, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.520 it was just like he needed blue eyes. It's just 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.360 I don't know. But the girl was too good for it. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:24.360 I mean it was great. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:24.640 I know. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.839 I'm honestly pissed. I don't have a season two immediately. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:32.160 That's my I know, smatch it. But Beef is incredible. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.880 That one of the best shows I've ever seen in 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.440 my life. The acting is insane. Give Ali Wong an 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.919 oscar for a TV show, that's how I feel. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.400 I really want to watch it. She looks so good. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.599 I didn't I didn't know she was that phenomenal. I mean, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.960 it is insane. It's so good. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.680 I gotta watch it. Yeah, and wait, there is an 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:58.000 s vu alum in it. Who's Calvin's mom Maria Bello? Yeah, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.880 she's in it. She's in it? 0:06:59.600 --> 0:06:59.760 Yea. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.159 Yeah, God we're sick. Who's Calvin's mom Maria Bella? Like 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:04.480 I knew it in two seconds. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.880 Amazing. No, Beef it's like wild. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.119 And I watched Tricksy and Katia watch it on YouTube first, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.840 and so I was talking to a friend yesterday about 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.800 it and he was like talking about the huge cliffhanger, 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.600 like the cliffhanger is the huge moments that shocked him. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.840 But I already knew them going into it, and I 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.000 was still on the edge of my seat terror, like, like, 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:29.440 what's gonna happen next? 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.360 It was it's like phenomenal. Is it like ten episodes? 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:38.040 Yeah, because honestly, every towards the end every episode, I 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.640 was like, well, that's the last episode and then there 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.960 was more. It was like, oh, I stayed up all night. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.080 I stayed up all night. Oh my god, you're like 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:48.000 me and my Damages era. Yeah, Damages I never got 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.880 into even though I'm a Glenn Close fan. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:51.960 Oh you should watch it. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.680 It's not too late. It's so fucking good. Oh my god. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.880 I was obsessed. What is it? Is it politican? What's damages? 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:04.680 It's lawyers high high like class action like high level lawyers, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.560 but it's it's the first thing I ever saw Rose 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.960 Byrne in so like and she's like this young lawyer 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.640 coming to it and Glenn close is like the fucking 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.840 It's got a bit of a House of Cards vibe, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.920 you know, like masterminding and like evil that you can't 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.200 even comprehend, like of people doing things for their own gain, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.880 and like it's wild, but I love it so much. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.600 Oh wait, how was how was the strike yesterday? How? 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:28.520 Oh ye striking? 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.720 I I am not a member of the Writer's Guild 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.280 of America. I would like to be, and my husband 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.280 is a member. And we went to strike for what 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.640 they're very fair demands that they're asking for of these studios. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.079 And we went to Netflix and it was kind of 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.520 a great social event. I saw my friend from Drag 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.280 Race that I haven't seen in a long time. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.000 I saw like just. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.040 A bunch of like a girl that I sort of 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:55.880 know that I walked with her for a long time 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.600 in the picket line and we talked about her last 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.920 experience on her show and it was cool. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.360 Oh, Michael McKean was there. You know who he is. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.880 He's like in a million things, like he's in Better 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.800 Call Saul, and like he's in Spinal Tap and like 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.840 all this stuff. And he's married to a net O'Toole 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.760 who's like another like well, known actress. I was picketing 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.400 with my friend and he just goes to her because 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.559 you walk by each other, and he just like walked 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.280 by and went, I loved you in it, thank you, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.160 and like kept walking because she's in the original it. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.079 Like he was just saying that movie like terrified him 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.120 as a child. So anyway, it was like you get 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.360 and they brought cookies, like a net otool gave me 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.360 a cookie. Like it was really it feels really nice, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.200 like everybody's really in solidarity. I will say it's week two. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.920 This is expected to go on for three months. I'm 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.720 hoping that everyone will be as chipper when it's like 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:49.319 the sun scorching July and we're all still marching outside 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:50.640 of like Disney and Netflix. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.200 But well, guess what, so I look up this Michael McKean. Yeah, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.680 guess what he's been in SVU? Oh wait what SVU 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.960 has he been in? Okay, so it's from twenty each 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:07.199 Well Father's Shadow Season thirteen, episode thirteen, spooky, but I 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.640 I would have to click on it because that's oh, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:14.160 it's with the like the ginger boy from Shameless is 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:14.720 in it too. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.440 He's a It's it's the it's the one with the 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.800 country singer in it too. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.000 Isn't it Lambert? Yeah? Is it not? 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.280 The Maranda Lambert episode. Isn't he like to be a producer? 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:26.640 Yeah? Maria Lambert's in this one. 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.960 Yeah, it's like a fame situation where he's like making 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.559 people like take off their clothes or whatever for auditions 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:36.520 and stuff, right, like, yeah, totally. Oh my gosh, wow, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.760 get him when I see him on the picket line again. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.239 Strike to the pod. Yeah, oh my god. Wow. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.640 Anyway, it was really cool, and I hope everybody that's 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.079 listening looks into like what the WGA is fighting for, 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.240 because honestly, you're talking about Beef being such a good show, 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.000 Like shows like this are not going to exist. If 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.640 they start doing rooms of like three people and a 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.880 com and a fucking AI computer robot writing television shows, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.760 they're not going to be good anymore. And they're just 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.200 trying to kind of like cut corners and basically get 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.720 rid of TV writing in a lot of ways. And 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.480 all the streamers are acting like, we don't make any money, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.000 and it's it's insane to say that, because I think 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.559 we all know they have millions and millions. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.160 So that was fun, and we're gonna get this show 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.840 on the road. Yeah, guys, don't go anywhere. We got 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.360 a good one all right. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.200 Today we are doing Asunder. We're taking it back to 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:39.080 season two, episode seven, Lives Got Spiky Hair. This episode 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.760 came out December one of two thousand, So we're in 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:43.600 a uh. 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.840 Honestly the best year. If I can go back to 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.760 two thousand, I would love it. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.760 Yeah, wait, what was Oh two thousand was a great 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.760 year for me. I was on my semester abroad in Rome. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.079 I had the time of my life. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:57.840 Well, no, I was in high school. I wouldn't want 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.520 to go back to being in high school. But I 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:04.319 just meet in terms of like Britney Spears, yes thereteen 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:09.160 nine eleven. Yeah, we just wanted to like dance. Well, 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.439 I was young. I don't know. I don't know why 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.000 I said that. I regret it. I don't have a 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:14.640 strong case. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:15.880 I don't know. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.160 I think it was like a lot of things you 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.120 like are from that time period, because a lot of 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.120 like your musical tastes and the things that you like 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:23.600 develop at that time of your life. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:24.720 So it makes sense. 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.040 Yeah, I just it's so funny to me that like 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.320 when I was like turning twenty in Rome like drink it. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.040 You were thirteen. Like it's so crazy to me. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.440 I know now, like age differences doesn't matter, but I'm like, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.920 imagine when I was like twenty and I like ran 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.400 across you. It was like, I'm gonna have a podcast 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.360 with this thirteen year old one day. But she seems 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:52.000 really fun. Yeah, you could have made money babysitting me. Yeah, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.560 you would not have listened to me, I'm sure. So 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.839 this episode's called Asunder. I just looked it up really quick, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:02.520 and the it means a part divided, and the example 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.160 on Google is those whom God hath joined together, Let 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:06.360 no man put asunder. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.960 I think that might be about marriage. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:10.920 So that's probably where it comes from with this episode, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:15.560 which is wild. Okay, so we're covering this episode and 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.440 it's crazy because it opens on a guy watching an 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.400 episode of Jerry Springer and as of this taping, Jerry 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.200 Springer just passed away like last week. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:29.040 So yeah, and what I saw a lot less like 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.720 Posts than I imagined. It was like the least of 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.640 any celebrity I've ever seen. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.400 I only saw a couple posts. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.920 Was it like a weekend or was it like or 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.719 was something else overshadowing it? 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.360 Like I was surprised too. It didn't get like someone 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:43.840 just told. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.040 Like my husband told me, and then I don't remember 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.280 anything else because we all grew up on him. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:49.520 Yeah. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.000 I went to go see Ringmaster in the theater, and 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.319 I remember it was one of the first movies I 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:54.800 ever went to where we me and my best friend 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:55.720 were alone in the theater. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.480 We were like this rules. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.760 We were just like talking and like, you know, having 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.440 fun during the movie because we could. But yeah, I 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.280 paid money to see that man's movie. Like, yeah, nobody 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:10.520 really talked about it. I guess in the influencer chart 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.480 that's in New York Magazine, he's considered lowbrow and terrible. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.640 I get, you know, or you know, like, I don't 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.960 know if people appreciate what he brought to the culture. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.080 I saw one meme where it was like that he 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.880 would just have like a Klukux Clan dude and a 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.400 black dude just fistfighting, and then his final words would 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.720 be like we all got to get along and give 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.880 each other a chance. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:38.000 It's like the final thought, the final thought, that's where 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.320 our post mortem comes from. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.000 So we got to give that to Jerry's Springer. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.640 Our final thought, our post mortem of our podcast is 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.520 basically a Jerry Springer final thought. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.320 But the one that I remember that will never leave 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.640 my brain is it was a couple and they love 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:53.920 puking on each other. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:55.160 Oh my god. 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.960 And the man came out and puked like green slime. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.440 It didn't look like it looked like. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:06.840 Ghostbusters green ecdoplasm, but like opaque slot. It just was 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.760 like it looked but he puked all over her and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:11.400 I just. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.440 Right, I'm sure they gave him some kind of thing. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.840 Yeah, it didn't look like a like we know what 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:19.840 puke looks like. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.480 And it was just way more smooth. We sure do, 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.640 because my son just puked in the night last night. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.080 So the crazy thing is he doesn't wake up. He 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:34.200 just isn't that scary? Yeah, No, he he just was. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:35.960 I could hear him coughing, and so I went there 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.360 to check on him and he had thrown up like 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.440 it was dropped like it had been hours before. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:40.720 I don't know. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.360 It's terrible. Okay, So this we open on the sky. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.880 Let's go from puke to domestic violence, puke to put 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.280 We're going from puke back to Springer. So he's watching 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.120 an episode called Wild Weddings, uh, and like a woman 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.320 comes out in a bridal dress and immediately starts fighting 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.160 with a man. So that's definitely a cursor, like a 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.120 foreshadowing of the rest of the episode. And then he 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.800 hears real life Springer episode coming through the wall. He 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.640 hears the voices of a man and a woman screaming 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.760 at each other. Then he looks out the window where 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.640 he sees the man and the woman taking their fight 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.800 to the street. She follows him down the stairs and 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.000 now we're outside with them. She's got a frying pan 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.800 in her hand, and she says she can't wait till 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.440 this guy. She goes, I can't wait till you die 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.120 so I can spit on your corpse. And then she 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.160 calls him a freak, and then she launches this frying 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.360 pan at him that hits him like right in the 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.560 back of the head, like where the head meets the neck, 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.480 and he's and it's like the. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.640 Sound effect but it's bunny. Yeah. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.360 Yeah, the sound effect is like bunk, like it's bad, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.760 and he's like grabs his neck and then he turns 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.400 around and his face is furious. So he runs after her. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.840 She looks scared. She starts running back up into the building. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.800 He catches her, grabs her by the hair, and starts 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.400 shoving her back in the building. They disappear into the 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.600 building and all we hear is a scream from her 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.840 when we cut to the svu's squad room. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.680 And I don't know if we want to touch on 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.200 this now or wait till later, But this guy's in 0:16:58.280 --> 0:16:59.080 another SVU. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.560 Yes, yeah, oh, I have a little. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.840 Pedof uh, well, not really a PEDOPHI I don't know 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:05.600 how to I don't know. 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.400 What he well, I'll tell you both of them. I'll 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.560 tell you both of them. The actress is Amy Carlson. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.840 She's a regular on Blue Bloods for like a million apps, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.080 and she was actually a regular on the failed Law 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:16.200 and Order Trial by Jury. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:17.639 She was like on all the episodes of that. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.080 SO and then the man is played by Nestor Serrano, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.560 who was also in the episode called Obscene, which you 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.040 might remember as the Lewis Black Dana Delaney episode. But 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.640 he marries a sixteen year old child star of the show. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.600 He is directing SO, but he's also in a ton 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.200 of other stuff like movies, TV, Like you've seen him 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.240 the man works, so though, that's our two, our two 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.359 leads of this episode. So he cuts to the SVU 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.560 squad room and Munch is explaining to a victim how 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.680 important it is to preserve all the evidence and is 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.560 trying to convince her to get to the hospital. When 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.520 the camera pans around, we do see it as the 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.639 woman from earlier, the actress Amy Carlson from the last scene, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.840 and she's like, so this bast kard rapes me and 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.480 you waste time And it's like, I don't understand, like 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.199 this is the procedure, like you out to go like 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:03.439 without proof, I don't know what you think is going 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.760 to happen. I don't know why she thinks gathering evidence 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.639 is a waste of time, but she is actually probably 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.200 very traumatized. And Munch is like, if you'd be more 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.560 comfortable talking to a female detective, and she said, I'll. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.280 Be happy to talk to anyone with half a brain. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.800 So immediately Munch and this woman are at odds and 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.200 she hates Munch from the jump. Munch says, there's five 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.040 stages of grief, try not to go through all of 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.320 them at once, and she goes cute and then she 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.800 tells much I don't need SOP explained, which is standard 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.960 operating procedure. She goes, I don't need SOP explained, I 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.679 don't need a rape kit, and I don't need you 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:35.560 to hold my hand. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.840 So she's pissed and why are you there? 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:43.919 Yeah, she obviously knows cop stuff, right, So Munch is like, listen, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.879 prior consensual sex does not matter. It doesn't matter if 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.800 you're still in a relationship with this person. And then 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.720 she admits this is my husband, the person who assaulted me. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:53.960 And Munch is like, let's go to the doctor and 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.679 then give us an address and we'll go pick up 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.360 your husband right now. And she looks conflicted, and then 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.960 she admits he's a cop. His name is Sergeant Lloyd Andrews. 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.919 He's in homicide at Manhattan South Boom take us to 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.439 the credits. So it's interesting how it's like, we'll just 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.000 go pick him up right now. But then him being 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.240 a cop throws a whole wrench into the episode. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.080 So in yeah, in the squad room. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.480 Now everyone's filing into Daddy Craigan's office and Craigan turns 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:21.280 to Jeffreys. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:22.560 She's still hanging around. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.600 I thought she was gone by the beginning of this season, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.000 but she's still around, and Craigan goes care to join us, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.280 and Jeffries is like super sarcastic and goes, I'd love to, 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.400 but I have all these reports to file and coffee 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.720 to make because she's been put on desk duty since. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.720 If you'll remember at the end of season one, in 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.880 the finale when they all got evaluated by Broadway legend 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.520 Audrey McDonald, they all got psyche VAL's and hers came 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.200 back that she was like, you know, kind of engaging 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.399 in risky behavior, and she admitted that she saw a purp, 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.520 not a purp, a guy they liked for a crime. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.399 She saw him like at a bar and ended up 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:56.200 going home with him. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.600 So they think she's engaging in this like self destructive behavior. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:01.639 She's been put on desk duty and taken out of 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.000 the field. Craigan walks over and is like, I want 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.520 you on my team, but only if you want to 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.640 be here, and she's like, it's nice to be wanted. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.560 She is a sarcasm queen, and then she's like, gotta go. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.119 These aren't going to file themselves, and Craigan looks like 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.000 kind of stung, and so now we're in his office. 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:20.439 Finn explains that Patricia Andrews, who is our blondie woman, 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.760 she says her husband raped her in this morning. She's 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.920 got a sprain wrisk but no other sign of abuse. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.520 And we see Craigan's fold up cot is in the 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.680 corner again, making an appearance like it is very there 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.680 and there are things on top of it. Bunch is like, well, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.199 my partner forgot to mention that the alleged purp is 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.320 a cop, and Finn's like, I didn't mention it because 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.520 it's not important, at least not to me. And I 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.120 love that Finn a king as always, and he's new 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.600 to us. For you, this is like this is maybe 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.680 his seventh episode because he's only came in season two. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.439 So Patricia's husband has twenty years on the force and 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.040 has a high closure rate and Benson's like, okay, well, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.800 I'm glad he makes the brass happy, but he's a 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:03.280 rare and Munch is like, not so fast. Alleged rapist. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.480 Munch is like kind of uncool in this episode. He's 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.159 like acting like denying. He goes on to say, like 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.440 basically denying your husband's sex is a breach of contract 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.359 and calls it contractual abandonment, and I'm like, this is 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.320 not a good take and a good look for you. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.880 Munch and Live is like not good at all. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.919 Yeah, I actually just got into a healthy debate. It 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.240 wasn't really like it didn't get dark or anything with 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:30.560 someone who's like, but what is a wifely duty? Because 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.879 I think that's all coming back on like Instagram and 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:33.880 explore bait like it. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.240 Because a black guy that also that, that gross right 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.919 wing guy Stephen Crowder was like yelling at his wife 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.760 for not being like not fulfilling her wifely duties, and 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.359 I feel like everyone's been talking about that. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.040 And then I just went off and I was like, well, 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.239 what are the husband duties? I'm like, no one is 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.960 like fixing gutters and building spice racks. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:53.879 Like the men have flopped. 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.760 The men are not bringing any husband duties to the table. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.800 And then the women don't want to fuck the men. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.359 And it's sand of all, sorry to bring him up again, 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.280 but it's like Arianna is telling you I need an 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:07.960 emotional collection, I'm not really attracted to you right now, 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.800 and he's just in a corner being like shit out, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.080 fuck me, and it's like, yeah, you're al Bundy, Like 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.719 you're not doing the dishes, you're not cleaning, you're not 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.840 looking hot, you're not taking care of the kids. 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:19.720 And then you want someone to want to fuck you. 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:24.320 That seems crazy. If you want someone to fuck you, you 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.840 gotta spice it up. You got to make them want 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:28.840 to face. It doesn't even need to be that spicy. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.919 You just need to give like basic connection, take a 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:32.919 shower life. 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:35.440 Yeah, oh god. 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:40.520 But it's just like dudes like not being like not 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:45.320 getting their wives wet and demanding sex while not like, yeah, 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.120 they don't want to fuck you, you're not doing your husband duties. 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.360 There's a lot more of that shit in this episode, 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.720 as you know, and it's really gross, like like, well, wait, 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:56.359 what was them I the asshole? You were about to 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:57.760 bring up? Oh, I was just gonna say there was 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:58.840 a fucking Am I the asshole? 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:00.200 It's like, am I the us? Well? 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.520 I only shower once every two or three weeks. I 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.600 don't think I smell, but people keep telling me I do. 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.199 And I was like men are men are out? Forget it? 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.080 Like we're done with you guys, Like I can't. Like 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:15.520 everybody was like bro take a shower like it was incredible. 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:16.240 It was incredible. 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.159 Well because people are now letting you know you that 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.040 you smell. Yeah, yeah, I just thought maybe you'd seen that. 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.520 Now I get this. I get this. Ask Aubrey Instagram 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.520 where she just gets good and I the assholes and 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.360 they're always the most inflammatory ones. 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.080 And so those are the ones I'm seeing and I 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:30.719 don't follow her. 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.919 They're just in my feed constantly on Twitter and stuff, 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:34.560 which I have to. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.080 Get off of because it's a fucking nightmare. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:40.719 But anyway, so Live is like to Munch, She's like, hey, dude, 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.080 wife is property when in nineteen. 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.679 Eighty or the idea that you want to fuck someone 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.320 who's not into it that's sick in itself. 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.239 That they just have to give it to you, like 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.720 and that would be fow Is that some way? Yes? 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.320 How is that enjoyable at all? It's wild? 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.800 Well, so you know my new favorite podcast, Stradio Lab 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:01.880 I can't stop talking about. Did I already talk about 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.879 the Aaron Jackson episode is about like weaponizing oral sex 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.159 is very straight to him. They were saying they're a 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.240 bunch of gay dudes and they're like, yeah, we will 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.719 give a receive warl at any moment. And his theory 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.439 is like, it seems like women hate giving blowjobs, but 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.680 they'll do it on a man's birthday and the man 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.280 doesn't mind that the woman hates it, and then she's 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.840 like and then he's like, that seems weird, and then 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:27.960 he's like and then it seems like if men love 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.800 eating pussy, they're gay and must be beat up. 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.360 Like I just you know how I've been watching I've 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:39.440 been watching The Sopranos one episode at a time on ELSA. 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.280 There's a fucking episode of The Sopranos where one of 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.360 the big guys is good at eating pussy and they 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.399 fucking his girlfriend tells a couple of friends and the 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.520 word gets out and he fucking throws a cream pie 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.960 in her face and breaks up with her because everybody 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:54.080 found out he was good at going down on her, Like, 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:55.479 oh my god. 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.120 So it's just this funny episode of but they were 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.080 just like I don't get it, Like if you know, oh, 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.800 your girl hates it, but that's part of it for you. 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:07.800 It's just like what is straight culture? Just like extradio, 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:12.080 open your legs and I don't care if you hate it, 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:13.679 like and then you deny. 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.640 You guys are freaks. It's just all so layered and twisted. 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.160 I don't I don't even know, but we I mean, 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.960 we've were you know, SVU afficionados. And even the episodes 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.159 where it's like sex like trafficked women that are chained 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.520 to a bed, that are drugged up, like guys. 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.200 Are going to Kijuana and paying for. 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:35.520 It, it's like, yea great, I don't understand the like, 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.959 I guess the misery is part of it for him. 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.720 Yeah, well it is. I think we've found that the 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:44.240 misery is the power. It is part of it. Yeah 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:44.680 for sure. 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:46.240 Yeah. 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.600 But another another nice lesson from THISVU universe. 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.520 Yes, so live is like yelling at munch and is like, dude, 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.840 wife is property. Went out in nineteen eighty four when 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.560 the law realized that married women can say no, and 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.800 she's referring to people versus liberta, which is a when 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.120 the New York courts struck down the state's marital rape exemption, 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.040 and so now husband's convicted of raping their wives could 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:11.840 be sentenced to two to eight years in jail, the 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.399 same as anyone else convicted of rape, and they joined 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.640 seventeen other states including New Jersey, Connecticut in California, who 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.720 had already eliminated those exemptions, and at the same time, 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.000 in that case, the court held that women as well 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.440 as men could be prosecuted for rape, which is an 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:30.119 episode we just did. So now, Craigan is like, let's 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.800 talk to the wife and make sure she knows what 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.000 the score is, and Finn's like, are you doubting her 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.960 commitment or that it happened? Like Finn is immediately the 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.879 hero of this episode, Craigan's like, I don't know his side, 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.879 and IAB is going to be up our asses, so 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.840 we better, you know, cross all our t's and dot 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.240 our eyes. And Finn says, I don't think his bad 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.399 should cushion the blow? And Craigan's like, dude, have you 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.960 ever fucked with IAB? No, then do it my way, 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:55.200 and Craigan's like, go canvas. The neighbors get some info 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.119 on the couple, and then Munch and Finn go to 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.920 talk to Patricia again. So Stabler is like, if it 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:01.560 turns out he did do it and we don't follow 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.960 standard operating procedure, we're gonna get buried in it. And 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.199 Craigan goes, that's gonna happen regardless. So now we're in 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.560 an interrogation room and Patricia is smoking a cigarette and 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.879 Munch is like, no smoking, ma'am, and then she blows 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.760 it in his face and puts it out on her sneaker. 0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.280 Kind of love it. They have to read the statement 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:19.760 and then sign it, and they're like, where's your husband 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.639 right now? And she goes every day he plays pickup 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.600 basketball with some cop friends before his shift, and Munch, I. 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.639 Thought you were about to say pickleball, and I was like, 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.000 get the fuck out. 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:28.919 Of here, No, stop it. 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.040 I don't think pickleball existed in two thousand, even though 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.320 now it's the talk of a goddamn town. Munch says 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.840 he wants to hear her side of the story again 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:40.600 and she's like why, and he's like, you better get 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.639 used to telling your story. And she asks Finn if 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.480 he's married, and he says no, ma'am. And then she 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.240 goes to Munch, I know you're not. No one would 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.920 have you, and I love that, and then he goes, 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.040 are you always this pleasant? And she goes, so you're saying, 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.119 I got what was coming to me, and Finn's like, 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.760 being very cool, has good bedside manner. He's like, ma'am, 0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:58.760 no one deserves what happened to you, you know, like, 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:01.760 let's figure this out. And she explains they've been married 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.600 for five years. She's seen him get crazy, but never 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.199 like this. They usually fight, they have makeup sex. She 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.280 can't believe it got this bad. And then Munch is like, 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.679 did he maybe think this was makeup sex sex? And 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.760 she goes, I don't consider a choke hold to be 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.919 played four play. Detective Munch goes and a pot to 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.080 the head turns him on, Like everyone's acting like this 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.520 pot to the head made it so like tit for tat, 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.720 Like you throw a pot at someone's head, you get raped, 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.439 and it's like not an apples to apples here. So 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.919 Munch is being a victim blamer again, and she's like, 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.200 you guys aren't gonna do shit, and she just starts 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.240 to walk out, and Munch is like, if your story 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:38.000 holds up, I'm gonna go arrest him, cuff him, process him, 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:39.760 and lock him up in a cage. I just want 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:41.880 to make sure you know what's up. And she's like, 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:43.480 what do you take me for? And then she just 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.520 signs the statement. So She's obviously got her story straight 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.240 and ready to ready to go. Now, Benson and Stabler 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.520 are over at the Jerry Springer guy's house and they're 0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.680 asking him all about the Andrews and he calls them 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:56.520 the Springers, which I love. He goes, oh, you mean 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.960 the Springers and they're like, no, the Andrews. He goes, 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.400 nobody knows each other around here. To me, they're the 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.920 Springers and I love that. And he's like, they're better 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.200 than the show. They fight every day. The cops come, 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.400 but then the husband pulls them aside and then they leave. 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.080 He always wondered if he was paying the cops off. 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.120 And then he describes the whole situation with her nailing 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.080 in with the pan and he's like, then he just 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.240 turned around snatched her inside the building. And he says, 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.160 I didn't see her hear anything else, so which is 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.120 hard to believe because he can hear them through the walls, 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:26.600 and if he was, like, but I guess if he 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.320 choke hold her, like, maybe she couldn't scream or anything. 0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.280 But anyway, in Cragan's office now where two dudes walk in. 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:34.920 It's detectives Santiago and. 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.360 Howard, and they're IAB clearly, and one goes to shake 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.760 Craigan's hand and he just leaves him hanging, and it's 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.719 so good. He's just like, can I help you? And 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:45.680 Craigan's like, what's up? Is it my case or is 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.120 it yours? And Howard's like, we don't do sex crimes. 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.000 So Craigan's like, cool, then get the hell out of here, 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:51.560 and Howard's like, we get you. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:52.360 Why you hate us? 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.920 IAB brought down your mentor, and I would hate us too, 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.440 And apparently this is something that happened on a Law 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:01.720 and Order episode called The Blue Wall where IAB took 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.240 down Peter O'Farrell and Craigan was involved in that. 0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.680 So this guy goes, listen, IAB's different. 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:12.120 Now we've changed, and Craigan's like borrowing some sarcasm from 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.040 Jeffreys and goes, wow, that's comforting. 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:16.120 And then the other guy goes. 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.200 We're not here to grind your wheat. I don't know 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:22.840 what that. That's not a good saying, and farming culture. 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:26.680 Farm culture always gets in there. They go, we just 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.920 want SVU to take it slow at this case. You know, 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.200 use kid gloves, let's have some finesse and Craigan's like, 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.600 since when does iab care about finesse? And then these 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.320 two dickheads reveal their true asshole nature and they go, 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.360 we marry them just so we can have sex available. 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:41.840 How do you rape a wife? 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.960 Keep in mind the law, Like the law changed saying 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.040 that marital rape is real sixteen years earlier, and these 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:52.680 fucking idiots are still like, how is that even possible? 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:56.160 Like it's your wife, She's just a fucking piece of meat. 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.480 And Craigan is like, oh my god, like you can't 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.480 even believe these guys. So they cut to Live exiting 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.680 a bodega with coffees for her and Elliott and Stabler 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.440 fills her in that there's been four domestic disturbance complaints 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.160 at the Andrews address, but no arrests. Same two unis 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.760 every time. Clarkson in Powell and these two are on 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.840 a break, So they get in a car and they 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.760 go hit up the diner where these two cops are 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.880 having lunch, and as they get there, speaking of what 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.600 you were saying about blowjobs, they get there just as 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.960 this other guy is finishing a street joke and Olivia 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.400 finishes the punchline and the punchline is basically the joke 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:32.000 is basically like the groom's mother says to the bride's mother, 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.040 why is she smiling? And the bride's mother says, oh, 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:36.600 because she just realized she never has to get on 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.120 her knees again. And like, Olivia finishes that punchline and 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.440 it's like a hole I looked up the street joke. 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.160 There's many different versions of it, but Olivia is acting like, 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.560 I'm one of you. I love when I love jokes 0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.680 about blowjobs. Just kidding, I'm about to tear you a 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:52.320 new one. And so they slide into the booth and 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:53.920 she's like, what's up with They're both like what's up 0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:56.040 with all these domestics And they're like, it's no big deal. 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.680 We handled at the scene. And Benson and Stabler are 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.720 not letting them off the hook. They're like four domestics, 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.320 that's three too many. And they're like, look, he's a cop, 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.560 we did him a favor. And Benson's like, so you guys, 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.320 look the other way, no matter, what is that in 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:08.120 your cop manual? 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:08.880 Stabler because it. 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.520 Sure is how Ain and mine and they admit that 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.680 sergeant his wife fight loud and hard. It blows hot 0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.160 and then it's over and the wife likes to throw shit. 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.040 So that's what they get from this conversation with these guys. 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.080 Stabler's now walking and talking with Craigan and Craigan's like, 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.840 break it down for me, like how real is this 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.560 whole thing? And Stabler's like it's hard to say. They 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.240 break up to makeup. She's a bruiser, he might be 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.640 a rapist. Craigan's like, well, the guy's not going to confess, 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.120 and Stabler's like, well, let's let the ADA decide, and 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.280 Craigan says, well, she might not have a chance. IAB 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.160 wants us to flush this whole thing, and they say 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.200 there's some other agenda on or this could be coming 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.400 back to bite us, and Stabler's like, well, let's interview 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.520 the husband. Craigan's like, he's just going to lawyer up. 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.200 His lawyer's gonna turn you know, he's gonna get his IAB. 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.840 Rep and he's going to turn him into a deaf mute. 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:53.440 And he's like, well, I just want to get a 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.320 read on this guy before he gets wise to this 0:32:55.360 --> 0:33:00.320 whole thing, and so he basically tells Sabler, you can 0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.080 go do some unofficial digging, like not a full interview, 0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:03.640 but whatever. 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.560 So Stabler shows up. 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.040 At the pickup basketball game and he's got a tank 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:12.240 top on and he's ready to dunk, and it's really funny. 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.160 One of the guys that is playing the game is 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.320 Detective Danny Tatum, and we've seen him before. He's in 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.480 that episode Countdown where, you know, it's like the Jim 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.200 Gaffigan episode where where the little girls and the parties 0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.280 and everything, and he's like, I just remember in that 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:28.240 episode then being like. 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.400 Oh, you think we messed up back in Queens, Like 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.560 you know, oh, yeah, I do love Countdown. 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.600 I thought it was one of the ones that I 0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.960 hate where it's like an old guy is dying and 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.160 he's like, you need to solve the case. 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:41.160 Yes, I die. 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.719 That's why I went, Yeah, we have twenty four hours 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.360 before the execution. We got to find out that last 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.280 victim's location. Yeah, I hate those, but I love Countdown. 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.120 Candy corn Yeah that was a Candy Correy episode. 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.800 Yeah, I take my Yeah. 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.800 So this guy has been in a few episodes and 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.960 he's like a transfer from Queen's Maybe SVU to Manhattan Homicide. 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.680 So Elliott, like I said, tanked up ready to shoot hoops. 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:11.759 He introduces himself like he's not lying who he is. 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.520 He says he's Elliot, Stabler's he's SVU and they're like, 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:16.680 oh tough gig. I heard they rotate you guys out 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:18.879 every two years, and it's like, lol, half of them 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.040 have been in there for over two decades. 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.720 And then Andrews who is Lloyd? 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.960 Andrew's the the main like you know, alleged rapist here 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:28.560 is like, oh live, victims are needy. 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.279 It takes a strong cop to suck it up. 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.080 And so he's kind of complimenting Stabler here, and then 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.920 they start playing Stabler's all over this guy Tatum, and 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.680 then Tatum shoves Stabler and he's like what the fuck 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.120 and the guy's like, no files on the black top, bitch, 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.799 you can't take it. It's like stupid male posturing. Then 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.720 they start again Stabler's all over this guy, and Tatum 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:51.759 just elbows him right in the nose and it's a 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.200 big smack sound effect like a punch. So Stabler goes, 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.640 what did I miss? And like he's truly bleeding out 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.520 of his nose. And Andrews comes up and goes he's 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.360 trying to send you a message, and Stabler's like, I 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.839 guess I don't speak his language, and he goes, don't 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.440 you And Stabler goes, why don't you spell it out 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.480 for me? He goes, how about you ask me all 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.120 the questions you want after the game, and Stabler's playing dumb. 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.239 He's like questions and he goes the rape right, And 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.799 Stabler's obviously not as slick as he thinks. He is 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.440 just like melting into a pickup game to get answers 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.600 on a crime. So that's the end of act one. 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.200 Now we're at the top of act two at Craigan's office. 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.319 Stabler's got a black eye, telling the gang what went down, 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.440 and he says he might have been telling me what 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.440 I wanted to hear, but he seemed genuine. Like immediately, 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:37.319 everyone's like on the side of this guy, and liv goes, oh, 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.640 was up before or after his goon kicked your ass? 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.279 And Andrews is like, and they were like, Andrews knew 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.760 we were looking into him. And then everyone like munch 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:46.920 Too is like, well he saved the other eye. Like 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.560 everyone wants to like build this guy up, and they're like, 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.640 so his partner was over enthusiastic, like who cared, you know, 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.319 And then Craigan's like, so all we got is this 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:58.960 abusive woman crying rape. That's what Craigan says, and liv 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.560 is like, what is her motive for accusing her husband 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.600 of this? And Finn is like maybe appending divorce. You 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.040 don't have to split assets with someone when they're in jail. 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.239 And they're like, there's no divorce papers filed, and Munch goes, yeah, 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.279 she's waiting for us to get rid of him and 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:13.360 then she'll file. 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:15.440 And then they get a phone call. 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.160 Units are at the Andrews house responding to a report 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:20.440 of assault with a deadly weapon. 0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:22.040 So now we're at their house. 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.360 Cops are in the street, like this is like a 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.160 huge just like a block party, Like everyone's in the street, 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:31.400 the cops, the couple's fighting. There's an ambulance with Andrews 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.640 is in the back, Lloyd is in the back. His wife, 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.200 Patricia is being held back by a cop and she's 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.520 threatening to cut her husband's big heart out and he's 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.560 in an ambulance getting a hand injury treated to and 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.760 he calls her. He's like, shut up, you stupid bitch, 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.440 and then she says. She goes, I will set you 0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.120 on fire in your sleep, and he goes, you better 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.080 kill me, or I'll do you without leaving a mark. 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.520 So these two are like and then she calls him 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.200 a freak, just like she did right before she threw 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.920 the frying pan, but this time she lobs a police 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.319 baton that she grabbed off of the cop that's hold 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.400 of your back. She just lobs it at him. But 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.279 there's tons of people around, so it's like, oh, it's wild. 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:11.640 It's a wild scene, so lived, but the writing is incredible. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.840 Pam hearts, I mean it's good. 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.640 So liv takes over as a cop is like wrestling 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.880 Patricia to the ground and she's like, I got it, 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.279 I got it, like you know, and she calms her 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.600 down and screams why isn't he in jail? And Stabler 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.120 goes to Lloyd and says he needs to come down 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.360 to the station and answer questions, and he goes, I 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.319 need a lawyer. And so now Craigan is getting yelled 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:35.719 out by the two IAB dudes. 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:36.719 They're like, you. 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.000 Call this finesse and then he's like, I'm fielding calls 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.560 about authorizing an undercover Op? What what kind of Mickey 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.560 mouse Club is this? It's like the undercover op where 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.920 he played himself and went to play basketball hardly, And 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.080 Craigan goes, see, I actually hate that little black rodent 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.040 talking about Mickey mouse Club. He goes, I'm more of 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.680 a dick tracy guy. You get a decoder ring and everything. 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.800 I mean, like, the writing in this episode is so funny, 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.600 like everybody's fucking with each other, so sarcastic. And the 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.040 guy is like, the IAB Guy's like, cabinet, you want 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.080 to jump in here, and she's like, listen. Charging him 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.160 before we get a statement from him is premature. But 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.919 I'm not gonna make this go away like you want 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.400 me to. But I suggest you to stop obstructing this 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.439 unit or I'll file charges against you. And they're like, well, 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.120 we're here only in a supervisory capacity, and she's like, 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:25.319 not anymore, you've been updated. Skidaddle sachet away. So in 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:29.319 the squadroom, the Andrews both get taken in, Patricia and 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:30.479 Lloyd in one room. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.680 We're going back and forth here now in one room. 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:34.759 Lloyd is like, I won't talk without my lawyer, and 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.560 they go okay, bye, and then he goes, well, on 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:37.719 second thought, why don't we just. 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.160 Put this all to bed so we can get back 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.000 to work. That would be me. I would be scared. 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:41.680 That would be me. 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:44.839 Yeah, Like after they make you wait an hour, you're 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:46.920 like final talk, I gotta go. 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.239 I just want to talk. But no, I think. 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.800 I think after this podcast, I know if anything, it's lawyer. 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:56.320 Got lawyer for that lawyer? Yeah, I would not say yeah, 0:38:56.400 --> 0:39:00.400 just lawyer. So they're like, your wife already told us 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.520 what happened. Why don't you tell us you know? And 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.080 he goes, what did you? What did she say? And 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:06.359 he goes, she said you raped her, and Stabler goes, 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.520 before you deny it, let's go through the whole sequence 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.760 of events, and Lloyd goes, fine, I've been working midnights 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:12.360 for a while. 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:13.959 I'm tired. I get home. 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.440 She starts laying into me about having a side piece, 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:20.240 and they're like do you and he goes, yeah, so 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:21.840 so why would she They're like, so why would she 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:23.600 accuse you of rape? And he goes, it doesn't take 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.040 a genius and he continues like it's always something with her. 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.359 I don't love her, I don't or I smother her 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.959 too much. You figure it out because she's driving me nuts. 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.720 He sounds like Rodney Dangerfield and they're like, it seems 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.400 like it would be easier for you to divorce her 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:38.880 than to rape her, and he goes, I did not 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:40.960 rape her. Like he's adamant that he did not do that. 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:45.000 Over to Patricia, who's telling Munch and Finn. She's like, 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.919 he just came sauntering home like nothing happened, and Munch 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:49.719 is like, why did you stay there? And she's like, 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.319 where should I go? It's my house, my things. I 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:56.440 did nothing wrong, and like I'm obviously on her side, 0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.920 like she some people don't have anywhere else to go, 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.160 you know, And it's like we've seen that in other 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.120 episodes where it's like go to a shelter. It's like, 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.600 shelters can be dangerous. It's a lot of it's difficult, 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.360 you know, it's not as easy. It's not black and white. 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:12.399 So then Munch goes, you cut him with a kitchen 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:15.080 knife and threw a police baton into the crowd, and 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:16.200 she's like, he scared me. 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.439 I thought he was in jail. You said you would 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:19.640 arrest him. What happened? 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.680 And then back to Lloyd and he goes, they were fighting, 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.080 tempers were hot. He walked away, and that's when she 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.120 threw this pan at him. They go back and forth 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.080 between calling this a pan and a pot. It's a pan, 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.799 but they call it a pot sometimes. He brought her 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.160 in and started packing her bags and he's like, the 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.080 lease is under my name and I wasn't gonna let 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:38.160 her run me out of my house. And then she 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.560 started screaming and threatening him with kitchen utensils, and then 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.680 she came after him with a knife. This is what's 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:47.120 confusing me because this is like us. These are the 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.360 two separate attacks, Like the kitchen the knife attack happened 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.200 at a different time of day than the pan attack. 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.080 So it's very confusing the way they're describing this. But 0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.560 now he's talking about the second attack after him with 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.439 a knife. He disarmed her using a standard academy move, 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.959 and he goes, she's crazy. She hasn't been right since 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.759 we found out that she can't have kids, So that's 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.600 a sad wrench in the story for her if that's 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.480 what she wants. And Patricia said that's when the marriage 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.080 started to go south. They're like, what about divorce and 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.240 he goes, I love him. I want to go to counseling. 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.239 He won't go, but they'll make him go after the trial, right, 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.239 So it's almost like that's why she's going through this, 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:25.799 to stay with him, but make him get help. And 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.200 it's like if they convict, but I'm not even sure 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.000 the ADA is going to charge him, And she's like, 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.440 let me talk to her. She's a woman, she'll get it. 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.960 He raped me. So she's really standing by her story. 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.799 And then we cut to Lloyd right after she says 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.560 that going we made love, not a fan of the phrase, 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.680 and he denies the choke hold, He denies holding her down. 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:45.680 He says, I wouldn't do that. 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:47.800 I know I could hurt her, and he's like, besides, 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.120 I'm the one with the battle scars and lives, like, 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.000 but you do know how to do her without leaving 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.680 a mark, right, quoting what he just said like an 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:58.280 hour earlier on the street. So now Craigan and Cabot 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.680 are watching through the glass and Cabot's like, cut him loose, 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:02.600 and Craigan's like, that sends a message that if a 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:04.439 woman is raped by her husband, she better get beat 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.759 up too, and Cabot's like, what do you want me 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.200 to do about it? Like, and Craigan's like book him 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.279 and let a jury decide, and she goes, I don't 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.080 even have enough to get this past a grand jury. 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:13.759 Walk him. 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.759 So now Craigan goes to the squad room and that 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.600 asshole Tatum, the one who elbowed Stabler in the face, 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.480 he's with a bunch of other guys and they show 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.799 up to help their buddy because they're all pals and 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:27.720 none of them ever does anything wrong, and Andrew's whole 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.160 squad is like standing there, and so the guy goes, 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.640 are you arresting my sergeant? And Craigan's like, none of 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.480 your business, bro, And then this motherfucker starts stepping to 0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.239 Cragan like he's not a captain, and it's like, I 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:38.520 don't know. 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.040 Rank means a lot with these. 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.080 Guys, Like you can't talk to a captain like this, 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.120 and he goes, we watch out for each other. Maybe 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.759 you forgot that riding a desk and Craigan's like, I 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.640 enforce the law and the only thing I ride are 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.680 humps that break it. And then Stabler walks in with 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:55.800 live and Tatum looks at Stabler and goes feeling wood 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:59.239 for my buddy. What I had to put the subtitles on. 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.759 I was like, what is going on? I guess he's like, 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.680 do you have a boner fruit? Like getting my friend 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.759 in trouble or whatever? And he Stabler goes, I am 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.960 now cheap shot, and then he goes is he arrested 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.040 or not? And Craigan goes, he's free to go. And 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.000 so they bring Lloyd out, and of course, just as 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.600 they're bringing Lloyd out, they bring out Patricia. That's always 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.160 what they do on this show. There's zero logistical timing. 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.719 And I think I love the name Patricia the more 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.120 I hear you say it. Oh really, yeah, it's a 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:31.799 cute name. Yeah, Trisha Pattie. She he points at her 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.640 and says, I want my wife charged with assault and 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:38.279 she's like Lloyd and Craigan goes, do it. Patricia goes, 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.200 how can he do this? And Munch goes, I don't know, 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.400 but I'll ask him count on it. So Munch is 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.040 getting on her side, and then Lloyd and his jackass 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.480 pack of bros All leave. So now Munch is in 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.680 holding and they bring Patricia in. She's about to smoke 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.600 a cigarette and she's like, well, I told Lloyd I 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:57.439 would quit, but now's as good a time as any. 0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:58.840 And I'm like, ma'am, I beg to differ. 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.799 This is not the time for you to smoking while 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.319 you're in the middle of a assault, charred by your 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.560 husband who raped you. I think you can smoke away, 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.840 my dear get you can get quit later. And Munch 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.160 is like, it's a bad habit, but some habits are worse. 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.040 My wife has some bad ones. And she's like, I 0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.839 thought you weren't married, and he's like, he never said 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:18.680 he wasn't married. You said he wasn't married because you 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.759 were like, no one would be with you, and he's like, 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:22.959 my soon to be X calls me asking for money 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.160 a lot. They still fight, only now he's not there 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:27.719 for the tantrums and he goes so she goes, so 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:29.839 you bust my chops because I remind you of her, 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.759 and he goes, no, I just don't like you, and 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.800 she laughs and goes, at least you're honest. So I 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.759 don't know what's going on. It's like they seem like 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:38.600 they now like each other and they're just shitting on 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:41.760 each other to be nice and in a way that's friendly, 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:43.799 and she's like, so, what are you doing here? He's like, 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.640 I came here to gloat. But then he's like, how 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.400 you holding up. She goes, I'm all right. I'm worried 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:51.200 about Lloyd, and Munch is like, wow, never underestimate the 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:55.040 generosity of women. She explains to Munch that Lloyd works midnight, 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.120 so he doesn't have time to sleep, and she came 0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.160 home once and found him scrubbing his bullets in the 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:01.640 sink with his gunm laid out on a towel, So 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.399 she obviously thinks that anything that his long hours could 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.400 make him do something crazy. But he has time for 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.160 a relationship with a second woman, so I think he's 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:14.000 probably choosing that oversleep. And he goes, do you need anything, 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.280 and she goes, yeah, will you go check on Lloyd 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.400 make sure he's okay, and Munch just like size and 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.160 the officer comes to get the women, and they gave 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.319 her truly ninety seconds with Munch. I guess that's what 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.719 the visit time is at this jail. But now we're 0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:30.120 in court for Patricia's assault charge. She pleads not guilty. 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.040 Cabot doesn't ask for bail. She says ro R is fine. 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.440 They're like, oh, very compassionate Alexandra or whatever. And the 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.560 judge thinks Cabot's being a little too generous and he 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.360 overrules it and asks for ten thousand dollars bond. So 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.560 this sounds like a man who's like hates women too. 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.080 I mean, like the Ada is not even asking that. 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.640 She doesn't think she's a danger to anyone but her husband, 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:53.840 so let her out. Why would be why would she 0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:57.480 have to pay or do bond? So Craigan goes to 0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:59.799 meet with some dude. We don't know who this man is, 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.279 tells them that someone in there in his unit is 0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.360 filing a discrimination suit with the department. Duh, it's Jeffrey's. 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:07.480 So they want to see if Craigan can get her 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:10.040 to drop it. And the guy and Craigan's like, she's 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.160 really angry, and I really had no idea how angry 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:13.120 until this moment. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:13.560 Right here. 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.080 He says, don it's not personal. She didn't name you 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.280 in her suit. She just wants back in the field. 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:21.360 And Craigan's like, well that's a problem, sir, and we 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.120 can't fold on the issue, So talk to her as 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.520 a friend. If that doesn't work, Craigan says, he goes, 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:28.799 make it go away, Captain. So all these cops in 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.080 this episode are just trying to get SVU to make 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.840 shit go away. So Munch now is walking into Cabot's 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.400 office and goes, guess who just paid Patricia's bail? 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.480 Her husband Lloyd. He's like, I smell a recan't now. 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:44.000 Cabot wants to charge him because she's like, he had 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:45.560 her arrested then paid her bail. 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:46.719 That looks suspicious. 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.080 I can sell that, And Munch goes, I didn't know 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:52.280 women got into wizzing contests? Can you not say piss 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:56.640 on NBC? Because whizzy contests doesn't sound as good as 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:57.880 pissing contest? 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:03.319 Oh, you're right, but was is more like fantastical. It's 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.640 like such a silly word. It's like when you pee 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:08.359 from a cloud or something. Yeah, it would be a 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.839 good word. All word is it? Whiz z. 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:15.320 W h I z z I n G is whizzing? 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:19.920 I think whiz might be whiz. But my dad used 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.120 to say that to us all the time. He'd go, 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:22.719 can you guys go take a whiz? Everybody go take 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:24.080 a whiz? Like before we would get into a car 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:25.560 on a car trip, and I would say to my mom, 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.319 make him stop saying that it's disgusting, Like I didn't 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.400 want to hear him say go take a whiz like 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:33.279 I felt. I was like, you're treating me like I 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:37.719 have a penis and I don't like it. But anyway, 0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:41.400 I didn't know whiz was gender. It's not in my 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.719 I was like eight, and I didn't like it. I 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:47.080 didn't like the way it sounded. So Cabot says, bring 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.800 Patricia in, let's clear the air. And so now Patricia 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.279 and Cabot are talking and Cabot's like, did anyone threaten you? 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:54.800 And Patricia's like, no, I just don't want to go 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:56.960 through with it anymore. And she's wearing a little faux 0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:01.279 Birberry shirt and which was very big around that time. 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.520 I think I had a faux burbery skirt. 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:08.480 And she goes Our friend Lauren has this horrific story, 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:13.000 not horrific, it's lol, but that you know, her parents 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.520 got her a burbery scarf and we're like it's real, 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:16.799 and she's like, are you sure it's real? 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:17.560 And we're like it's real. 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.439 And then she went to school and everyone's like it's 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.239 fake and it was fae and she was just like, 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.200 why wouldn't you just tell me it was fake? You 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.680 guys lied to me. I mean yeah. So it was 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:28.720 like a big issue for her and her child. 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.359 I had a fake one too. I had a fake 0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:31.319 scarf too. Yeah. 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.120 That was a hot time for that pattern. Oh poor baby. 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:35.919 So Kevi, it's like, well then, why did you change 0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.800 your mind? Like what's going on? And she's like, my 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.400 husband could go to jail for a misunderstanding, a petty 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:42.200 marital spat. 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:43.160 I can't live with that. 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.600 And Mounch's like, this is a real change of tune 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.320 after singing the quote he raped me song to anyone 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.440 who would listen, and she's like, I was mad. And 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:53.319 then they go does this have to do with him 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:55.439 dropping the assault charge? And she's like he's a good 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.520 guy and they're like, you said he was an arrogant 0:48:57.560 --> 0:48:59.359 jackass who put you in a choke hold and took 0:48:59.360 --> 0:48:59.960 what he wanted. 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:02.600 And she goes, he apologized for that. 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:04.960 And she's like, all I ever wanted for him to 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:06.640 do was put himself in my place. This is like 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.040 what you're talking about, Like women just want men to 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.640 like listen, to them, kind of empathize with them, have 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:16.200 like more of an emotional connection, not like what Sandoval 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:19.160 did in that episode after Arianna lost her dad and goes, 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.680 I know, we keep bringing this back to vander Pump, 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.040 but it is relevant. She lost her dad and she's like, 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:24.440 I just really need you here with me right now. 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:25.840 And he's like, Babe, I love you so much and 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.799 I'm so sorry for what you're going through. But the 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.719 guys like rented trucks and we're gonna like do bulldozers 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.879 and stuff. Can I please go to Vegas? Like that's 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:36.279 the emotional connection that you're missing, you know what I mean? 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:40.520 Well, even this current season, her grandmother just died and 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:44.040 he didn't go with her to Florida, like he stayed 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:45.280 to continue an affair. 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:49.120 Yeah, and go get sandwiches with Schwartz. 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:53.760 It's just it just seems like women are constantly changing 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:56.960 and doing things to please what men want, and they 0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:02.640 are unwilling to be like, oh needs are equal to mine. Yeah, listen, 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.160 have I gotten involved in the comments on the Shade Room? 0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:06.440 I have, And. 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.600 You know, whatever your views on equality about women and 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:13.360 men are like to me, I was writing, I was 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:14.359 like that's irrelevant. 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:16.120 I'm like, it doesn't matter. 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.799 If you think they're equal, but like both people get 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:24.600 to feel good. Yeah, I just like, it just seems 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:28.360 so weird that like one person in a partnership's feelings 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:31.320 are just irrelevant to all decision making. 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:32.480 It just I get it. 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.640 This is a woman who is in an abusive relationship. 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.040 She's just found out she can't have children pretty recently, 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.200 and her husband is cheating on her and gaslighting the 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:44.440 fuck out of her saying. 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:47.480 That he's not and he's a police officer. Yeah. 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:51.560 Yeah, so like I'm on her side kind of no 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:53.720 matter what. Like, I know, we didn't see what happened, 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:56.560 but she's she's got my vote, and she's like all 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.120 I ever wanted him to do is put himself in 0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.719 my place. He's never said I'm sorry about anything, and 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.719 that's like a huge trigger for me. People that don't 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.799 say I'm sorry. I have a parent who does that, 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.160 and I really fucking hate it. I say sorry to 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.560 my kids like all the time. I'm like, even if 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.880 it's something stupid where they're like, you push my rosie 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.400 today goes, you push me into the table. 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.560 I didn't push her into a table. And I go, I'm. 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:18.239 Sorry if I did that, I didn't mean to, you know, 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.080 like I'm just like apologizing constantly so that they know 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:24.560 that apologizing is like something that doesn't mean you're weak 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.799 or like less than you know, sorry, I'm going off 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:29.440 on a personal tangent about a pin. 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.880 You know, I am too constantly like I forget like 0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:35.400 some yeah, I forget that this is the case. 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:38.520 She did throw the frying pan. JK. Yes, I don't know. 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:43.160 She did throw the frying pant and he and violence 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.279 isn't the answer. But it's like, you know, it's like 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.480 when people were talking about I mean, I don't want 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:50.000 to bring u Johnny Depp and Amber hurt again, but 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.759 people were like, oh, she was abusing him, and it's 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.120 like there is always a more powerful person in a relationship, 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.520 and he is the more powerful person in this relationship, 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:02.400 so like it's not equal abuse, you know, people, I 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.920 thought initially when I said something about her depth stuff, 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:07.720 I was like, I feel like there's abuse on both sides. 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:10.439 And then many people pointed out to me that that's 0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.840 not possible when there's a higher level person in the 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.439 relationship with more power. And that's true, and in this case, 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.560 it's this man. She goes, this was genuine. He said 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:20.359 sorry and he and they're like, what did he say? 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.880 And she goes, he said, I'm sorry I raped you, Patty. 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.560 That was unforgivable and to give him another chance, and 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:28.960 she's like, we're starting over. He's trying to feel my 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:32.040 pain for the first time. And they're like, She's just like, 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:33.239 you can't make me change my mind. 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:33.799 I love him. 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.440 Munch is pissed and he's like, he admits it and 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.680 you re can't. And Munch says, that's not love, that's 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:42.759 psycho and she says, I'm not crazy enough to lose 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:44.760 my husband because you want to believe in me. Now 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.719 she leaves. I mean, she's giving much shit because he 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:52.000 wasn't originally, like you know. On her side, Cabot's like, 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.320 I can charge her with false police report, but I 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:56.319 want to charge her with felony assault to force her 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:58.399 hand a little bit. And they're like, I don't think 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.840 Lloyd is going to refile the complain just to please you, 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:02.520 And they're like, what if we find a witness to 0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:05.319 the attack. So now are back to our Springer guy. 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:08.480 He said, I heard them fighting and I called the police. 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.319 I didn't see anything. But then he finds out that 0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.359 Sergeant Andrews won't find out that he talked, and so 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.200 he's like, okay. He admits, like she had a knife 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.040 and she did cut him, like I saw that part. 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.960 So now Cabot is meeting with Patricia and her lawyer 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:24.480 and charging her with assault too for cutting her husband. 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.319 And Cabot's like, I got the knife, the prince and 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.040 a witness that's three years in Bedford Hills and it's 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.360 not the country club, it sounds like. And they're like, 0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:35.520 whatever happened to compassionate Cabot from a few you know, 0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.120 from the few days ago. And they're like, she said, well, 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.880 the motive for the assault was fear of reprisal. She recanted, 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.279 So that's out, and so was my compassion. She goes, 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:46.320 I'll bump it down to assault three. That'll shave eighteen months. 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:48.640 But I want a conviction for rape in the first degree. 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:50.680 I'll only get that if your client is in front 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.600 of the grand jury. She goes, this is blackmail. Patricia 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.400 says that, and Cabot goes, no, it's the law. And 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:59.240 so now Benson and Stable a walk into Manhattan South 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:00.720 and in front of all his cronies. 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:01.600 They arrest Lloyd. 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:04.280 They give him the courtesy of letting him step outside, 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.080 not cuffing him in front of all of his and 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:07.840 reading him his rights in front of all of his guys. 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:11.279 He surrenders his gun, his dump dumb Tatum, tries to 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:12.960 yell at them and lives like, can you get out 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.680 of my way? Pig, thank you, and then that's the 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.040 end of act three. At the top of Act four, 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:21.120 Cabot walks into court as they're reading the charges against Lloyd, 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.200 rape in the first degree, sexual misconduct in the first 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:26.920 degree sexual abuse. She asks for fifty thousand dollars bail, 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:29.360 and there's a huge reaction from the galley. They're all like, 0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:33.359 oh so much, and Petrowski is like not having it. 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:36.840 She's like, everybody shut up, you know. She's like not 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.200 here for all the noise in the courtroom. And then 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.480 his lawyer is like, he's a respected cop, like he 0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:43.920 should get ror. Cabot's like, we don't want to send 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.600 the message that cops get special treatment. But Petrovsky is 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:49.360 not having that either. She goes save your button, pushing 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.920 for trial. We know that she loves to spar with 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.200 Cabot a little bit, so she grants ROLR. People ask 0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:57.440 for an order of protection and that Lloyd surrenders all 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.440 his weapons and she goes, that's fine, and then she 0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.480 goes up to the defense attorney for Lloyd and goes, 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:06.560 let's talk. She offers sex abuse one three years. He laughs, 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:10.000 He's like, I'm gonna win. I've got a winning hand here. Bye, 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.520 and then he said, all you've got is a bitter wife. 0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:15.040 Put her on the stand. The recant goes in, so 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:17.200 do the physical attacks. Why are you fighting this and 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.240 Cabot goes, because he did it. He doesn't deserve freedom 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:22.680 or a badge. And then the guy goes, oh, when 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.919 did he confess? And she says a few days ago 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:29.280 to his wife, and he's like, that's privileged. He's basically like, girl, 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:31.440 you've got no case. And then he drops the bomb 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.800 that they're going to do a bench trial, not jury, 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.200 and it's like, uh, oh, is Petrovsky a cop lover? 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:39.960 Let's find out. Cabot looks stung by that. He goes, 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.400 let's drop this and send the kiddies to counseling. She refuses, 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.400 and he hands her a hanky and goes for the 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:49.120 egg on your face, and then there's a lot of 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.759 shade in this episode, sarcasm and shade. Munch is on 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:55.320 the stand testifying that Patricia wanted to drop the rape charges, 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.200 that her husband apologized sincerely for raping her and that 0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:00.759 was the first time in the marriage he had ever apologized. 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.040 And it is not Petrovsky. It is a different judge. 0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.799 It's not our beloved Judge p it is Judge Kevin Beck, 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:08.080 and he's been in a bunch of epps in seasons 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.600 one and two, including limitations which we did cover, which 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.560 was the one about the Statute of Limitations. So the 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:18.200 defense is claiming that the apology is privileged, but because 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:21.560 it's because it's between two spouses. But the judge says, no, 0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.520 she related to a third party Munch, which means privilege 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:26.759 goes out the window and it's hearsay, which is a 0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.880 win for Cabot. So now Patricia is on the stand 0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.560 talking about the pan that she threw. She said it 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.759 wasn't still hot. I wasn't trying to hurt him. It's 0:56:34.800 --> 0:56:37.080 like you did. It's a very heavy pan and you've 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.000 got a good aim. And she says back in the 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:43.120 house after throwing the pan, she kept fighting with him. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:46.520 She hit him a few times, he pushed back, and 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:48.600 then Cabot asked, point blank did he rape you? And 0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:51.520 she says she doesn't know. But then Cabot reads her 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.239 back her statement and she's reluctant, like you can tell 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:55.400 she doesn't want to be testifying. 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:57.000 She still feels the way she did before. 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.440 And then she admits to the defense attorney that she 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:02.640 recanted and that a deal is in place for her 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:05.239 testimony in the assault charge. And the guy goes, so, 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:08.319 then why are we here? Objection withdrawn? He does one 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.680 of those little things where the judge heard it even 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:14.719 though it was like objected to and withdrawn. Cabot goes, 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:17.240 didn't you drop the rape charges after your husband dropped 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:19.840 the charges against you? And Patricia goes, that's not how 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:25.880 it was, you, bitch. It's really great. That's a great moment. 0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:30.080 Cabot's fake. Cabot looks stunned. The judge goes, watch your language, ma'am, 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:32.640 and then she's like, didn't you have a change of 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:35.440 heart after a long conversation with your husband? And then 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:37.360 the judge is like, you better answer, bitch. Or you're 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.360 going to be in contempt, and she admits, yes, I 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:42.080 did change my mind after this long conversation. So now 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.960 Lloyd is on this stand. He goes, we've been married 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.840 five years, mostly pretty happily, but lately it's been hell. 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:50.240 His defense attorney says, she's the batterer. Why are you 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.440 protecting her? And he goes, I love her. I just 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:55.160 couldn't see her get locked up over something that's my fault, 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:58.400 and then he goes, she throws pants, she sliced your hands. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:57:59.440 How is it your fault? 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:02.360 He admits to not being the best husband, cheating, not 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:05.680 coming home, being a huge fucking gas slader. The defense 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:08.560 attorney goes, I wouldn't either about coming home. 0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:10.680 And it's like, fuck you, dude. He just admitted he's 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:11.560 a bad husband. 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.760 And you're like, who would come home to this broad, 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:15.200 this nagging ball and chain. 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.440 It's like, he's a bad husband. What are you talking about? 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:20.880 Before Cabot can even object, he withdraws like she goes 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.920 to take a breath to object, and he's like, withdrawn 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:26.200 like he knows, and he asks, did you force your wife? 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.760 Put her in a choke hold? Use excessive force? He says, 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.280 no to all of it. Why would she accuse you? 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:33.919 Then he says, I promised to cut off a year 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:36.840 long relationship and I didn't and she found out and 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:38.400 I've since stopped seeing her. 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:39.320 I love my wife. 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.560 And he says, why would you apologize for a rape 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:44.800 if you didn't do it? And he goes, she can't 0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:47.560 let anything go. She's got to be right. I would 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.800 just rather lie than fight about it. I just want 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.960 some peace, that's all any husband wants. It's like men 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.880 are so fucking lame. And then it's Cabot's turn and 0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:59.240 she goes, didn't you tell her that you could do 0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:01.760 her without leaving a mark? And he kind of tries 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:03.680 to deny it, and Cabot's like, let me remind you 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:05.680 that I have about one hundred witnesses who heard you 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.880 say that, And did you threaten her bodily harm? 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:08.400 Or didn't you? 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:11.600 And then he screams that Heifer told me she was 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.160 gonna torch me. What the hell was I supposed to say? 0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.640 And she goes that Heifer is supposed to be the 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:20.000 woman that you love. Boom does not look good. Cabot 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.760 walks down back to her chair like she's kind of 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.200 nailed him. So now this defense attorney, the guy with 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.680 the hanky, comes back with his tail between his legs 0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:30.920 to Cabot and he goes sexual misconduct, and he's out 0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:33.000 of a job. And Cabot's eating a sandwich and drinking 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:35.480 a generic diet cola that looks just like a diet coke, 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.760 and she goes, don't be ridiculous, because now clearly she's winning. 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.960 And the guy's like, come on, these people don't belong married. 0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:43.800 We can all agree on that. And Cabot's like, that's 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:46.600 not my problem, and he's like, you really railroaded him 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:47.840 in there for what he said in the heat of 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.400 the moment got me thinking about fights with my wife, 0:59:50.400 --> 0:59:52.960 what people might say sometimes I want to kill her. 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:55.040 And it's like Jesus, like you're just. 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:58.000 Saying that out loud, Like I get serious at my 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.000 husband and I'm never like I would like to kill him, 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:01.800 you know, I don't have never said that to anyone, 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:03.040 And Cabbot. 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:05.480 Goes, also, it's added, like when you do have a 1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:08.440 gun and you do have strength, yes, and you're a 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:13.440 police officer, like saying I want to kill you doesn't 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:16.000 just seem like Kuyperbley or in the moment, like it 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:20.800 when you're washing your bullets right there's your gun right out, 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:24.880 the threat seems more real to me. Yeah, for sure, 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:28.640 And Cabot goes, well, if she dies, you've got a problem, 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:30.200 Like you just admitted to me that you want to 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:33.960 kill your fucking wife sometimes. But anyway, she goes, defelony's 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:36.160 still on the table. Three years, he'll be out in one. 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:38.600 And the guy goes, yeah, but he'll be a sex offender, 1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:41.080 Like that's not going to happen, and she's like, okay, bye, 1:00:41.440 --> 1:00:43.920 and he steals the pickle off of her lunch plate, 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:48.760 takes a bite, and walks out. The audacity, the gall 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:52.560 the gumption. So now we're back to Craigan dealing with 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.360 the Jeffrey situation. He has called her into his office 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:58.720 and he's like, this isn't anything official, it's just you 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:01.160 and me, and he's like, have you thought about this? 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:02.600 She's like, oh, is this about my lawsuit? 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.360 And he's like have you thought about like this completely, 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:07.560 like all the politics of it, the stink it's going 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:09.960 to leave on you, And she's like, the only thing 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:13.080 on my mind is the presumptuous attitude about my private life. 1:01:13.360 --> 1:01:14.960 Back to you know everything that came out in that 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:17.919 psychoval that I explained earlier, and he's like, this unit 1:01:18.000 --> 1:01:20.840 isn't like other units. You know that, And she's like, well, 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:22.200 when it hit the all I know is that when 1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:24.520 it hit the fan, you ducked. Like she doesn't think 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:28.400 Craigan had her back, and he's like, I don't agree 1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:31.560 with their conclusion, but I do agree that you need help. 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:34.840 So he doesn't agree that she needs to like be 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:37.800 off the force or bench or anything. He's just like, 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:39.840 before you get back in the field, you need some 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:42.720 like counseling. And she's like, what does my personal life 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:44.040 have to do with my work or the way I 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.440 do it? And he's like, to me, it's the equivalent 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:47.880 of you trying to eat your gun, and I can't 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:49.520 let that happen. And she goes, well, I guess we 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:51.640 have nothing left to talk about, and she walks out 1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:55.880 and back in court, the judge is ready to deliberate. 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:59.200 He admits that spousal rape is real, but how does 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:02.800 the law determine if a rape actually occurred? And he said, unfortunately, 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:07.320 it cannot save corroboration or grievous injury. So he finds 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:11.360 the Lloyd not guilty on all charges. Wild like, we 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:14.480 all thought Cabot was winning, but that's maybe a jury 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:16.800 would have sided with her. But the bench trial, the 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:20.120 judge says, we can't prove this happened. Munch says, what 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:22.760 a waste of time, and Cabot disagrees. She's like, I'm 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:25.640 the only eightya to get spousal rape past a grand jury. 1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:27.920 She's like, I might not have won, but I've changed 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.480 the climate so someone else can. Then we cut to 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:33.720 the Andrews, Patricia and Lloyd just passionately making out in 1:02:33.760 --> 1:02:36.840 the courtroom like full soap opera, and It's like, I 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:39.240 guess you forgot he called you a heifer the day 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:42.280 before in open court, and Munch is like, I guess 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:44.920 you proved also that women are still chattel and then 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:48.680 Cabot goes only if they want to be, and we 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:51.520 cut to Craigan at the final scene of the episode, 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:53.840 going in his office. There's a gun and a badge 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:56.200 on his desk. The camera pans over and we see 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:59.280 Finn sitting there and Craigan's like, this is a little premature. 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:02.040 I thought a hot sh narcotics guy like you would 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:04.040 be good for at least sixty days, since it's like 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:07.240 tried twenty three years, and he's like, they're not mine. 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:10.280 Jefferies didn't want to leave her gun unattended, and so 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:13.760 Finn goes, I'm sorry, and Daddy Craigan looks very sad. 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:18.320 Finn leaves. Craigan looks out onto the empty squadroom that 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:20.680 has one old man working in it. We've never met him, 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:25.520 and Craigan just goes me too. And then that is 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:26.400 Dick Wolf. 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:29.680 Well, because I wonder if at this point in the season, 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:34.480 Ice even knows he's gonna be a regular forever, yeah. 1:03:34.680 --> 1:03:39.640 There forever, like fully, yeah, who knows? But thanks for 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:41.400 sticking with me on that one, guys. I know is 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:43.720 a lot of dialogue, Like there's not a lot of 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.720 like action in this one. It's a lot of like 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:47.919 he said, she said, because I think that they thought 1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:50.160 in the year two thousand, they were like, let's do 1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:52.520 this really, like there is another episode if he said, 1:03:52.560 --> 1:03:55.440 she said, the Shannon Sawsiman one that they've done. But 1:03:55.480 --> 1:03:58.560 I think here they're trying to do it first and like, well, 1:03:58.680 --> 1:04:00.720 what what what is true? 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:01.320 Like who knows? 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:05.400 It's like, but now I don't know through the through 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:08.400 the lens of like everything we've learned about domestic violence 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:11.280 in the past, like twenty something years since this episode aired. 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:15.040 I'm like, no, this woman is in an abusive relationship. 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:17.000 We got to get her out of there. But I 1:04:17.000 --> 1:04:19.680 think the show thinks they're they're presenting some kind of 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:24.040 like who knows, could be anyone kind of argument, you know. 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:27.480 So anyway, we'll be right back after these messages with 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:44.680 Lisa taking us through some true crimes, we. 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:48.120 Are back, and this is the Dennis White domestic violence case. 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:52.280 What is wild about this is like this guy did 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:56.640 have Like we'll get into all of it. I'm just 1:04:56.880 --> 1:05:00.840 curious in terms of how connected to us soun because 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.120 this stuff happened in nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety 1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:06.440 nine with this man, but he is a police officer 1:05:06.640 --> 1:05:10.040 and nothing, he was never charged, convicted, There was never 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.400 anything that happened. All of this came to light in 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:16.040 twenty twenty one where he got a promotion to police 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:18.560 commissioner and then it was taken away from him because 1:05:18.560 --> 1:05:22.200 everyone's like, you're a domestic violence abuser. So I wonder 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:26.600 if the amazing writers knew about this, like small Boston 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:31.320 case or if. Once this came back out, the people 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:33.840 on the wiki were like, it's based on this, Like 1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:35.920 I wonder, well, I mean, it did happen. 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:38.600 In ninety nine and then there was no new. 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:41.800 In two thousand, but there's no articles or new It 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:46.200 was like internal investigations. It wasn't like the Boston Globe 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:51.240 was like police, you know, nothing ever happened. He was found, 1:05:51.360 --> 1:05:56.400 iab never found anything. Oh so I am just very curious. 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:59.760 So maybe we'll talk to Neil Baert when it comes 1:05:59.760 --> 1:06:03.440 back find out how they got to that. Yeah, figured 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:06.400 all this out. But it is very interesting in terms 1:06:06.440 --> 1:06:09.600 of the if we can say he said, she said 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:13.439 without any you know, bad messages. Okay, So so yeah, 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:15.640 this is pretty recent like a lot of the you know, 1:06:15.680 --> 1:06:18.160 twenty twenty one. So this guy, Dennis White was sworn 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:21.360 in as a as the Boston Police commissioner in early 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:26.120 twenty twenty one, which is wild because I thought accusations 1:06:26.200 --> 1:06:30.640 hurtman's careers. So it's wilds that he was able to 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:34.320 continue being a cop and become commissioner with these acts. 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:36.120 It never because it never went anywhere. 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:38.320 I guess he got it flushed the way that the 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:39.600 ib guys wanted to do this. 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:41.880 Yeah, but they keep even tricking women where it's like 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:45.240 even an accusation can ruin a man's life, right, And 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:49.160 it's like, I just I've never seen an example ever. 1:06:50.240 --> 1:06:53.800 I've never seen an example of a man losing everything 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:55.960 with an accusation. 1:06:56.960 --> 1:06:57.240 Ever. 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:03.080 Yeah, I mean Johnny Depp lost one movie role. Yeah, 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:05.720 he still got to do perfume ads. I mean the 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:08.920 Jonathan Major stuff that's happening right now. Oh yeah, I 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:11.160 guess race does play a huge part. And this is 1:07:11.200 --> 1:07:13.880 a black man in this Dennis White as a blacks 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:18.040 White as a black man. Okay, yeah, okay. So he 1:07:18.120 --> 1:07:21.800 becomes police commissioner and then allegations from years ago come 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:22.400 up and he was. 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:28.200 Put on pause after put me on pause. 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:32.960 So that's from Bravo for those who don't know, welly 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:34.280 Kara started cackling. 1:07:34.600 --> 1:07:37.680 Sorry, but no, I put it there on purpose. 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:41.600 But just in case people are confused, why it brings 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:44.720 us so much joy, it's that. But he was only 1:07:44.880 --> 1:07:48.800 the Boston Police Commissioner for two days before he was 1:07:48.960 --> 1:07:52.360 kicked to the curb on pause, and he had worked 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:54.440 in the police department for thirty two years. So he 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.280 was a thirty two year veteran of the force, and 1:07:57.320 --> 1:08:00.240 this was all unearthed and brought to light by the 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:04.040 Boston Globe who inquired about allegations of domestic violence from 1:08:04.080 --> 1:08:06.760 nineteen ninety nine with his former wife. And this was 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:09.560 part of the Boston Globe. They were doing a series 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:13.000 of investigations into the Boston Police. So there was like 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:15.680 tons of articles and it was just like an all encompassing, 1:08:15.800 --> 1:08:20.680 giant investigation that they were doing about inequality and you know, 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:21.679 cops being a mess. 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:24.920 And the Boston Globe who famously did Spotlight, like what 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:27.000 Spotlight was based on what the Catholic Church like, they 1:08:27.000 --> 1:08:29.760 are very good at, like this investigative kind of like 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:30.799 expose stuff. 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:33.760 Wow, I didn't put that together in my head. 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:36.719 So I think, like them going after the police department, 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:39.479 the police department better be fucking like worried because they 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:40.160 find shit. 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:41.040 Yeah. 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:43.360 I never watched Spotlight, but I remember I went to 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:46.639 like a friend's Oscar party and all the foods were 1:08:46.680 --> 1:08:48.559 like based on the movies. People like to do that, 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:52.800 And for Spotlight, it was fruity pebble rice, crispy treats 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:59.080 in the shape of crosses. Oh, my God, so shout out, 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:03.600 shout out to that fun party. In quotes, this is 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:06.879 bigger than the administration's failure to properly vet a candidate 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:10.120 to lead our police department. Andrea Campbell, who is a 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:13.200 city councilor, said, she continues in a statement that was 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:16.320 quoted by The New York Times originally from the Boston Globe, 1:09:16.520 --> 1:09:20.479 the systemic lack of accountability for wrongdoing and transparency in 1:09:20.520 --> 1:09:23.599 the Boston Police Department is a trend. I don't think 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:26.800 this is anything new to us, but thought I would 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:29.719 put that in there. And then his former wife also 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:31.320 a Boston police officer. 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:32.000 Oh. 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:34.800 Interesting, So there's it's different because there's not the same 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:38.200 power dynamic necessary. I mean, there probably is still a 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:42.000 power dynamic, but not the same civilian versus copp as 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:42.519 in the show. 1:09:42.840 --> 1:09:46.040 Yeah, and the couple were high school sweethearts. They married 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:49.160 in nineteen eighty one, and then they had two daughters together. 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:53.559 They separated in nineteen ninety five divorced in nineteen ninety nine, 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:57.000 but that divorce was not finalized until January two thousand 1:09:57.000 --> 1:10:00.880 and one. In May of nineteen ninety nine, court records 1:10:00.920 --> 1:10:04.839 show that White's ex wife had a restraining order against 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:07.880 him while they were still married, so again before the 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.439 divorce was finalized, and it required White to leave his home, 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:14.240 stay away from his wife and children, and surrender his 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:17.640 service weapon. She said that he had threatened to shoot her, 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:20.960 slept with a gun, and physically abused her and made 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:24.799 her very scared. According to The Washington Post, the wife 1:10:24.880 --> 1:10:30.920 to wbur which is a Boston and PR channel, said 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:34.439 that he pushed her into sexual situations she did not 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.080 want to be in. He would disable her car so 1:10:37.120 --> 1:10:39.800 she couldn't leave the house, and she does admit to 1:10:39.880 --> 1:10:42.479 fighting back and getting physical, but that she was never 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:46.439 the first to throw a blow. She said that she 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:49.439 became very afraid of him after he told a mutual 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:53.280 friend that he wanted to shoot her. And this is 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:55.320 why I said it while you were doing the recap 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:59.640 of the episode is like, Yeah, there's a difference. I 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:02.679 think you should never threaten, like those are bad words. 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:05.120 You shouldn't be like I'll fucking kill you. But when 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.840 someone does have a gun and like knows how to 1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:11.320 hide evidence, I don't know, like a police officer, the 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:14.760 threat goes a little higher. Or if you're just like 1:11:14.800 --> 1:11:17.559 a man saying I'll fucking kill you to a woman, 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:20.960 but I don't know. She also alleged that he threatened 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:24.320 their seventeen year old daughter by telling her don't come 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:27.800 upstairs and startle him because he sleeps with his gun 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:28.679 under his pillow. 1:11:30.080 --> 1:11:33.439 So cool guy, calm chill. 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:37.400 So he said he was just joking about shooting his family, 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:40.840 and we need to get a sense of humor. White 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:44.680 was never charged, and he denied, denied, denied, but he 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:46.960 did admit that him and his wife fought a bunch 1:11:47.000 --> 1:11:50.520 and it's sometimes escalated to physical contact by both parties. 1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:54.720 But it's like, you just denied hitting your wife, but 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:58.759 then you just admitted that it got physical, So there's 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:03.040 a lying to me. You can't say you've never hit 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:04.880 her and then say we both hit each other like 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:07.360 it doesn't make Then why are you denying it fully? 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:09.240 So I don't really trust this guy. 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:14.240 His daughter and her official Affidavid did say that her 1:12:14.240 --> 1:12:17.120 mother was physically abusive to her and her father, and 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:19.680 that one time she punched her so hard that she 1:12:19.720 --> 1:12:22.360 had trouble breathing, and that she threw a lamp in 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:25.600 a TV at her husband. The daughter also said the 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.400 mom criticized her for not cleaning the house good or 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:30.280 quickly enough, which is. 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:30.760 Funny to me. 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:33.880 I know it's not funny, but it's just like I 1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:36.760 don't want to clean either. But she did detail a 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:39.160 lot of emotional and physical abuse at the hands of 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:44.679 her mother. The mother admitted again WBUR that she did 1:12:44.720 --> 1:12:46.320 discipline and spank her daughter. 1:12:47.960 --> 1:12:48.680 So I don't know. 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:51.760 The mom does admit again to this NPR channel that 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:54.200 neither of them are innocent in the relationship, but she 1:12:54.320 --> 1:12:57.599 believes that he should not be able to keep his job, 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:00.960 so she has come forward and said we both suck. 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:06.400 He I think is in full denial of anything. Like 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:10.479 throughout this all you'll see it's just like an excuse 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:14.439 for everything, a denial of everything, no responsibility in any way. 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:17.439 You could at least be like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:19.439 have threatened to shoot my daughter, you know what I mean? 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.280 Like he can't even do that. It's like he really 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:26.040 can't in my research that I found. So he also 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:31.080 admitted to getting physical with his niece, which happened in 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:34.120 nineteen ninety three, but he said it was in self defense. 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:39.519 How are you a police officer and you're constantly threatened 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:41.240 by the women in your life where you need to 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:44.599 physically assault them. Yeah, so that's like another thing where 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:46.599 I hate with the police, where they're like scared of 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:49.479 every black teenager they've ever seen in their lives. 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:50.960 But yet you're a hero. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:53.640 Like I don't get it, Like you can't say that 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:56.640 your heroes and you demand respect and then constantly be 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:59.719 scared and say self defense against children. 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:03.120 It doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, you can't have both. 1:14:03.240 --> 1:14:05.360 Are you a scared little sissy with a gun under 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:10.360 your pillow threatening your niece and daughter? Or you should 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:12.880 be police commissioner and you're a leader and a hero. 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:18.520 But yeah, what what's this? What's the circles the VENN diagram? 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:20.280 I do not touch? Okay. 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:23.479 The fight with his niece ended up in a report 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:27.800 in the Internal Affairs Division investigation. The allegations came up 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:31.760 September nineteen ninety three. The fight was over ten dollars 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:36.040 that the niece owed White. The niece said that White 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:38.759 punched her and threw her down the stairs and pushed 1:14:38.760 --> 1:14:41.559 her out the front door. He denied all of this 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:44.840 and said the niece charged him and he struck her 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:49.640 in self defense. Again, shouldn't you as an officer know 1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:54.760 how to like contain someone without pushing them down the stairs, 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:58.320 like how to arrest of a wild I've seen cops 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:02.040 to step do a person, Yeah, non violently? Yes, yeah, 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:06.160 so okay, So he admitted to not only pushing her, 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:10.160 he also admitted to striking her with a full swing 1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:15.240 of his arm and an open hand. So he admitted that, 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.479 but then denies everything. It's just like it's kind of 1:15:18.560 --> 1:15:20.840 a mess. It just sounds like this whole household is 1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:24.080 also violent, like just the moms. They're both violent. 1:15:24.080 --> 1:15:27.280 Like it's it's a violence which I'm sure comes from 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:30.000 childhood and is like a history of a cycle that 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:33.599 never ends. It's it's tragic really, but yeah, this guy's 1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:34.040 not good. 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:37.360 Both White and his niece reported the incident to police, 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:40.160 and the niece obtained a protection of order against White 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.479 for one year. The wife had all of the abuse 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:47.040 documented in a diary that she gave her relative and 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:50.439 then and the relative told this to investigators, and in quotes, 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:53.840 the wife said to the relative, if anything happens to me, 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:57.320 I want you to have this diary. If anything happens 1:15:57.320 --> 1:16:00.080 to me, it would be Dennis. 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:00.519 Wow. 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:04.120 So a witness told police they had seen the ex 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:07.839 wife with a busted lip, scars, cuts and scratches from fights. 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:11.280 Another witness said that her whole demeanor changed if White 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:14.200 would look in her direction, and another witness said that 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:18.360 she told her about specific instances of abuse, including allegations 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:22.400 that White burned her hair, put her face to a stove, 1:16:22.479 --> 1:16:27.040 and stepped on her face. Jesus witness also said that 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:29.920 he was very controlling and abusive and that the wife 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:34.840 did fight back. So these are just handfuls of witnesses 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:39.360 that were a part of this investigation. Internal investigation, police 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:42.880 abusing spouses is not rare. One said he found that 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:47.160 twenty one percent of officers self reported abusing an intimate partner. 1:16:47.600 --> 1:16:51.439 That is just those that self report, not total. It's 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:55.439 definitely twice that yes, not more so. In nineteen ninety one, 1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:58.479 are report presented to the House of Representatives estimated that 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:01.080 law enforcement is involved in a rate of forty percent 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:06.240 of domestic violence. The police involved in domestic violence cases 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:08.719 are at a much higher rate than the general public, 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:11.720 yet officers are not held to the same standard of 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:16.799 accountability as non law enforcement offenders. White's ex wife complained 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:19.519 often that her case was not being taken seriously by 1:17:19.560 --> 1:17:23.120 the department. Internal affairs found that he had neglective duty 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:27.400 and unreasonable judgment, but determined White had not broken any laws. 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:31.560 The department just had no records related to the allegations. 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:35.519 According to this report, DV and law enforcement families is 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:38.960 also unique because there are specific risk factors that create 1:17:39.000 --> 1:17:40.960 barriers for victims seeking safety. 1:17:41.479 --> 1:17:42.879 For example, I didn't. 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:44.479 Even think about some of these, Like I thought it 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.640 was pretty well informed about a lot of stuff. But 1:17:47.400 --> 1:17:50.439 you know, like officers learn specific skills how to command 1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:53.720 authority and control situations on the job, and when they 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:56.160 do this shit to their intimate partners that can cause 1:17:56.560 --> 1:18:01.800 like psychologically terrorizing and physically violence situations. They also have 1:18:01.880 --> 1:18:05.160 access to firearms, which I keep mentioning, and they have 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:07.519 increased stress on their jobs. So it's just like a 1:18:07.640 --> 1:18:12.680 very dangerous combo for their partners and also partners like 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:14.200 they don't know where to turn to help if their 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:15.320 partners in law enforcement. 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:16.400 That's kind of obvious. 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:21.760 But also like a lot of shelters are private, like 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:26.200 the addresses, but police might have location information to shelters 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:28.800 that are not known to private citizens, So the cops 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:33.679 have inside scoop to services and that endangers victims more. 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:36.559 And I did not even think about that ever. Oh 1:18:36.600 --> 1:18:37.880 my god, Yeah that's crazy. 1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:40.200 Yeah, and like even if you're not directly looking, you 1:18:40.200 --> 1:18:42.960 can like send a friend like, oh, we're looking for 1:18:43.560 --> 1:18:47.600 a woman, like you know. Yeah, it's scary because I 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:50.639 remember in my college days when I volunteered at a shelter, 1:18:51.120 --> 1:18:53.799 like all donations went to a church, like the address 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:56.640 was not given to anyone. Most of our training for 1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:59.479 the phones was like, do not tell anyone where you 1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:01.320 are and like secret. 1:19:01.360 --> 1:19:02.720 But yeah, the cops fucking know. 1:19:03.479 --> 1:19:06.919 And also cops, no other cops, the das, the judges, 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:10.439 like it is really an intertwined thing. 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:13.639 So just a little aside to fill you in there. 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:17.160 So finally we're up to June twenty twenty one, Boston 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.479 Mayor Kim Janey made an announcement that she fired the 1:19:20.479 --> 1:19:24.559 Commissioner Dennis White because of the domestic abuse allegations against 1:19:24.640 --> 1:19:29.200 him that surfaced because of the Boston Globe investigation. And FYI, 1:19:29.520 --> 1:19:32.280 this Mayor Janey is not who put him in. The 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:36.080 one who put him in right before was Marty Walsh, 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:39.519 and Walsh was was the mayor from twenty fourteen to 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:42.559 twenty twenty one, put this cop in the position and 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:46.479 pieced out to become the US Department Labor Secretary, And 1:19:46.560 --> 1:19:49.040 he was there for two years and just left that 1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:53.000 position to become the executive director of the National Hockey 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:57.320 League Players Association, which is just like, is this veep? 1:19:57.680 --> 1:20:01.160 Like it's so funny to me just to go from 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:07.360 government to hockey. But I guess that it happens. So 1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:09.840 Janey is now who put him in? Marty Walsh did, 1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:12.040 and then Marty Peace. And Marty Walsh said he had 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:14.639 no idea about the restraining order and if he did, 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:17.280 he would not have named this guy the commissioner. But 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:21.599 White said he did tell Walsh about them, and I 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:25.320 don't care what either of them said, but he explained 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:27.720 to Walsh that it was like all false accusations, but 1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:31.360 that he was like very transparent. Walsh said, not transparent. 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:34.439 So all this Walsh and White drama back and forth 1:20:34.520 --> 1:20:37.280 like if he knew or didn't know is all published 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:41.760 in a magazine called New common Wealth, and it's sponsored 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:46.720 by a think tank called the Massachusetts Institute. It's a nonprofit, 1:20:46.880 --> 1:20:51.720 nonpartisan think tank which is identified as mass Inc. They 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:55.960 call themselves journalism at its best, and that it's in depth, 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:59.160 balanced and independent. I just thought I would have I 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:02.120 don't know if it's real or not, Okay, you know 1:21:02.160 --> 1:21:04.840 what I mean? Like yeah, Like I don't know who's 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:08.400 paying for it. I don't know the articles I read. 1:21:08.560 --> 1:21:10.519 I mean I used all you know, you guys can 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:12.600 look at our sources. But I did use the Commonwealth 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:14.960 a few times. And since it's in Boston, they did 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:17.000 get some good interviews. But I thought I would be 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:19.719 transparent that I don't know Commonwealth is real. 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:23.200 If the mass inc Is a real thing? Yeah, got it? 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:26.679 But they are, you know, so did the guy? Did 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:29.640 Walsh know or not know? We don't know. 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:34.920 But White's attorney released a videotaped Affidavid from Frank Mantini 1:21:35.320 --> 1:21:38.559 sounds like a noodle, who is the police Department's former 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:43.479 chief of Professional Standards, and he confirmed that electronic records 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:46.759 show that he accessed White's nineteen ninety three and nineteen 1:21:46.840 --> 1:21:50.599 ninety nine internal affairs cases in January twenty fourteen, when 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:51.599 White was promoted. 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:56.320 Hmmmm. The mayor, Janey said that. 1:21:56.280 --> 1:21:59.160 The allegations eroded the public trust in his judgment and 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:02.120 raised serious questions about his fitness to lead the Boston 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:05.960 Police Department. According to USA Today, the fact that they 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:09.040 didn't take this into account beforehand is just embarrassing and 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:11.839 the evidence of how bad they are at their jobs. 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:14.280 Like you're about to make someone a police commissioner and 1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:18.160 you it looks bad if you didn't find all this, 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:21.320 and it looks bad if you found it and didn't care, Like, 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:21.719 I don't. 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:22.479 Know which one's worse. 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:27.439 Yeah, Like you're detectives, Like what do you what do 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:28.719 you mean? Yeah? 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:30.680 Maybe they thought no one else would find it, and 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:32.120 then the Boston Globe, did you know? 1:22:32.560 --> 1:22:33.479 They rolled the dice. 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.240 Some people believe that the officer being a black man 1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:38.680 played a role in the investigation. Also, they say that 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:41.439 he was not fully cooperating during the investigation, and he 1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:44.080 kept hanging out at the police headquarters even though he 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:47.160 was still on administrative leave. He said he only didn't 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:49.920 answer questions that were outside the scope of the investigation 1:22:50.479 --> 1:22:53.599 and questions he found inappropriate, and that's why people think 1:22:53.640 --> 1:22:56.120 he wasn't fully cooperating. But also you don't get to 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:58.280 choose what questions are appropriate or not or what the 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:02.120 scope is like in charge here babes like you don't 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:06.000 get to fight against the questions. According to Jane, he 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:09.200 failed to understand the importance of domestic violence concerns to 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:13.160 the public, and he may have intimidated witnesses as well, 1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:16.920 who are already reluctant to speak. Janie is the first 1:23:16.920 --> 1:23:19.400 black woman to serve as mayor in Boston. Responded to 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:22.040 the accusation that the firing had to do with him 1:23:22.080 --> 1:23:24.120 being a black man, and this was quoted in the 1:23:24.160 --> 1:23:26.920 Washington Post. She said, I will not turn a blind 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:30.120 eye to domestic violence against black women or any women 1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:33.720 for that matter. So I'm on her side. Yeah, the 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:36.880 mayor straight up said during the announcement. According to USA Today, 1:23:36.960 --> 1:23:39.519 it is clear that Dennis White's return as commissioner would 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:42.160 send a chilling message to victims of domestic violence in 1:23:42.200 --> 1:23:42.639 our city. 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:44.320 White tried to. 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:47.320 Get Janie removed from the investigation and saw a court 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:49.720 order to block her from proceeding with a hearing to 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.320 dismiss him. He felt entitled to a full judicial hearing 1:23:53.720 --> 1:23:57.479 in superior court, but his emotions were rejected by a 1:23:57.520 --> 1:24:00.200 Superior Court judge and by a justice on the state 1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:03.599 appeals Court. White intends to sue the city for civil 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:06.840 rights violations. And he just kept saying, Janey has no 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:09.960 authority to terminate me. But it's like, why would Walsh 1:24:10.040 --> 1:24:12.800 have the authority to hire you, but Jane wouldn't have 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:15.200 it to take you off, Like they're both mayors with 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:18.360 the same amount of power. He also claimed that Walsh 1:24:18.400 --> 1:24:21.479 apologized to him and said this is going to cost 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:23.439 the city a lot of money if she does this 1:24:23.520 --> 1:24:29.160 to you again, according to the Commonwealth. But Walsh was like, 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:32.479 peace out and like I said, he's now working in hockey. 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:36.000 He doesn't care ha ha. So White did try to 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:38.400 sue the city. So as of July twenty twenty two, 1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:41.240 a judge has thrown out eleven of the fourteen counts 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:44.320 in White's lawsuit against the city. The suits that are 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:48.960 allowed are allegations of a due process violation, defamation, and 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:53.479 right to privacy. The judge, Leosorcin, said that White failed 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:57.719 to prove that his firing was discriminatory. And I don't 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:01.519 know how any of these cases have turned out or 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:02.640 the courts have seen him. 1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:05.479 I've not got a lot of Boston. Boston listeners. You guys, 1:25:05.560 --> 1:25:07.080 let us know if you know what happened to. 1:25:07.680 --> 1:25:11.000 Yeah, I don't know anything after July twenty twenty two, 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:16.120 and this is going to your NPR's, your commonwealths. Yeah, 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:20.679 the Boston heralds. I'm in there, have not found anything. 1:25:21.120 --> 1:25:23.000 But it's wild that this all came. 1:25:23.400 --> 1:25:27.360 I wonder if when it came like a back into 1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:30.519 the consciousness in twenty twenty one, then's people thought, oh, 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:35.520 this sounds like that SVU episode kind of. But either way, interesting. 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.040 We can we can always find out from Neilber whether 1:25:38.080 --> 1:25:40.920 we were right or wrong. But it was an interesting case. 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:41.720 It was. 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:47.920 And looking at his photo, I don't I can't tell. 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:50.200 I want to judge him. 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:54.160 What makes me not trust him at all is him 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:55.679 saying all of this is fake. 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:56.759 Deny, deny, deny. 1:25:57.120 --> 1:25:59.559 But it's like, but then you are admitting that things 1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:03.519 got Yeah, you did put lay your hands on your 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:07.400 niece and your fucking wife, and then so why are 1:26:07.400 --> 1:26:08.160 you denying it? 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:09.120 You know what I mean? 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:09.800 Right? 1:26:10.240 --> 1:26:13.320 Yeah, I'm just not and then like just not taking 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:17.920 any kind of accountability of any sorts. But whatever, So 1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:21.400 that's the case, and we have here an incredible guest, 1:26:21.439 --> 1:26:23.639 I would say one of my favorite guests we've ever had. 1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:25.640 By the time of my life with this person. So 1:26:25.840 --> 1:26:28.799 I really can't wait for you guys, So let's anywhere. 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:39.160 Our guest today is an actor who's been in some 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:42.000 huge titles over the years. You guys may remember from 1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:45.280 some classic movies such as The Insider, The Negotiator, and 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:48.400 Bad Boys. He's also been in iconic television shows like 1:26:48.439 --> 1:26:52.120 twenty four and Alisa and Cara favorite Dexter. But you 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:55.679 know him today as a rapist cop and a frying 1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:59.439 pan assault victim. Lloyd Andrews. Please enjoy our chat with 1:26:59.479 --> 1:27:04.840 the lovely Nestor Serrano. Wow, we're so excited at this 1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:09.280 is so great. Yeah, you've been no, because we've been 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:14.000 intuban in our lives for dec been into iconic. 1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:15.559 Yeah, well that may be Bad Boys. 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:18.160 Yeah, are you kidding? Your face has been with us 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:19.400 for decades. 1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:21.680 And two iconic episodes of SBU I mean, not just 1:27:21.680 --> 1:27:22.719 the one we're talking about today. 1:27:22.720 --> 1:27:24.320 We're going to talk about both if you don't mind. 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:26.920 Yeah, but no, this one today is the one where 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:29.519 you're the cop in this sort of volatile relationship with 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:33.160 the white I remember. And then the another other one 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:37.000 is you're married. You're married to a sixteen year old starlet, 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:40.160 you're her manager or like you're her director, and then 1:27:40.160 --> 1:27:42.320 it turns out you're married to her and you're forty 1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:43.200 and she's sixteen. 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:45.720 Yes, now that one I remember as well. 1:27:45.800 --> 1:27:48.840 Yeah, yeah, you know, that's such a That whole law 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:52.880 and order grouping of productions is such a breeding ground 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:56.640 for people that are you know, gonna make it. I mean, 1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.160 if you think about I was thinking about what because 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:02.679 I watched itlast night in anticipation of this interview and 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:08.720 Amy Carlson. You know, she is so incredibly and I 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:10.080 don't want to I don't want to come out here 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:12.040 and stop blowing smoke up people's ass. 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:15.639 But she is really so talented. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:19.160 I think we should all be so unfortunate to end 1:28:19.240 --> 1:28:23.519 up doing eight seasons on Blue Bloods. But her talent 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:27.320 so far exee that, you know, but her talent is 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:29.240 so I mean, you know, she should be on the 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:33.280 big screen doing like, you know, really good stuff. She's 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:36.160 incredibly taped and I got to make out with her. 1:28:36.360 --> 1:28:39.040 You guys are both really you guys are yeah, you're 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:40.160 at the end of the episode. 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.160 You guys are really going to tell you God. 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:45.760 That might be one of the I can't think of 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:47.799 another full on makeout in the courtroom. 1:28:47.920 --> 1:28:51.200 Yeah, that might be the only courtroom makeout that SBO 1:28:51.240 --> 1:28:51.759 has had. 1:28:52.920 --> 1:28:53.000 No. 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:55.280 I was just gonna say, it's just an interesting episode 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:58.280 because it's really like, it's not the way that a 1:28:58.280 --> 1:28:59.960 lot of the episodes of the show are. It's like 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:04.559 very I don't know, it's so interesting, like I mean, 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:07.080 we're seeing both sides. We know your character is like guilty, 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:09.719 but it's kind of like that we see the real. 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:13.400 Toxic Yeah. 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:14.639 Yeah, very of like. 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:20.000 These very multi layered, you know, because on the one hand, 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:22.200 when I was thinking, well, how do I justify that 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:26.720 I didn't do any research, you know, because after all, 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:27.679 I am an actor. 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:28.880 But the point the. 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:33.400 Fact is that it's it's an every man or every 1:29:33.400 --> 1:29:37.560 woman episode. You know, everybody is involved in a relationship, 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:42.240 and everyone, I imagine everyone has had a toxic relationship 1:29:42.240 --> 1:29:45.520 where things get you know, a little heated, and sometimes 1:29:45.600 --> 1:29:52.000 people have had relationships where things get physically uh, you know, combative, 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:55.400 and so it's something everybody can understand. 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:55.840 You know. 1:29:55.920 --> 1:29:59.080 It wasn't like a rip from the headlines. 1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:02.240 It was a forty year old man with a sixteen 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:04.120 year old girl, you know, this is something that a 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:07.320 lot of people can go, oh right if I didn't 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:09.360 do it, if you know my brother in law is 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:11.800 in one of those or my uncles in one of those. 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:12.719 Yeah. 1:30:13.320 --> 1:30:16.320 And then also just like the police, like the whole 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:18.600 thing of like you being a police officer and like 1:30:18.680 --> 1:30:21.560 are you going to be like will you face consequences 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:24.240 for everything? And how the other cops are backing you 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:27.559 up without like you know, no questions asked, And. 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:30.120 Well, and you get hit with a frying pan? Yeah, 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:31.120 well let's start there. 1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:32.400 Let's how it start there. 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:35.720 So I read that in the script and I said, well, 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:38.360 you know, this is of course before CGI or anything 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:40.240 like that. And I thought, well, I don't know how 1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:41.720 they're going to do that. You know they're going to 1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:43.680 make but there's going to be a shot of her 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:45.880 throwing it and then a shot of me, like make 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:48.280 believe I got hit with it. But no, they came 1:30:48.320 --> 1:30:52.160 out with a rubber Oh it was a rubber frying pan, 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:56.240 but it couldn't be dense enough to like really hurt 1:30:56.280 --> 1:30:58.360 me if it hit me, which it did, And of 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:00.000 course we had to shoot it, like you know. 1:31:00.520 --> 1:31:03.320 Ten times. And she has a pretty good arm. 1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:07.120 I think She got me about five times, so that's 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:09.360 a pretty good batting average. And she will you know, 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:12.080 we were probably about twenty five thirty feet away. 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:15.040 From each other, so that's that's not easy to do. 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:18.200 And so the rubber had to be heavy enough to 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:21.639 as it took flight, to look like it was a pan, 1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:25.559 but it couldn't be made out of foam because you know, 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:29.400 so it was interesting. So I was trying to tell 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:33.200 my wife that I'm doing this podcast and she goes, oh, 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:36.320 what episode And I go, it's the one where Amy 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:40.800 Carlson is We're in the courtroom. And Belzer says and 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:43.280 she goes, wait, wait are you talking the frying pans? 1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:46.439 They go yes, she goes, from now on, just say 1:31:46.479 --> 1:31:47.440 the frying. 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:51.519 Oh my god, that's stuff. So from now on, that 1:31:52.160 --> 1:31:53.040 frying pan up. 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:56.880 There's another show, Karen, I love and you might be 1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:00.679 our first guest that's been on the slab on Dexter. 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:03.080 Oh yeah, we've had other. 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:07.439 Dexter people, but not on the slab. Any comments from that. 1:32:08.640 --> 1:32:11.719 Well, I'll tell you. I can tell you a story 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:12.599 about Dexter. 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:18.160 Yes please, the woman who played the detective on Dexter. 1:32:18.280 --> 1:32:19.280 If you're familiar with this. 1:32:19.360 --> 1:32:21.679 She was the lieutenant on there, La Guerta. 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:26.320 Yes, Lauren Valez, Yes, she was my girlfriend for ten 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:30.040 years in real life. We dated when we were little eighty, 1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:32.600 when we were a lot younger. Wow, we dated for 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:33.120 ten years. 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:36.000 Oh wait, she was just in an episode that we watched. 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:39.720 She's in the episode Obscene. She's in the episode that 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:41.880 you're in when you date the sixteen year old girl. 1:32:42.160 --> 1:32:44.960 She's the lawyer for the guy who assaults the sixteen 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:45.320 year old. 1:32:45.439 --> 1:32:49.240 Yes. Yes, our paths have crossed many. 1:32:50.120 --> 1:32:54.040 Bingo, bingo. You and Lauren Valez. Oh my god. I 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:55.120 loved her on that show. 1:32:55.920 --> 1:33:00.200 And so we broke up right And after we broke up, 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:03.880 we had the same manager. And my manager called me 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:06.240 up about three months after we broke up and she said, hey, 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:09.519 I got an offer for you to work on this 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:11.000 movie without Pacino. 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:12.960 I'm forgetting the name of it now, but it was 1:33:13.000 --> 1:33:14.040 a you know when it. 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:16.559 Was City by the City, City Hall, City Hall, I 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:17.320 think it was gone. 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:20.799 And she said that's the good news. The bad news 1:33:20.960 --> 1:33:23.600 is your wife is played by Lauren Valets. And I 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:27.479 was like, you know, we even though it. 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:32.439 Was a semi amicable breakup, you know, it's not the. 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:36.000 Way I wanted to see her again for the first time. 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:38.840 But anyway, she's terrific. We had a great time. 1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:41.839 I would drive her home after work every day working 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:46.320 on that set. She's incredible. But anyway, so cut to Dexter. 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:50.360 I get killed in Dexter. I think it was a 1:33:50.360 --> 1:33:55.160 two episode job that I did, and she gets killed 1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:59.760 in Dexter in that same episode. And what we had 1:33:59.800 --> 1:34:04.040 to do when we're both laying down dead in that what. 1:34:03.960 --> 1:34:05.879 Do you call that? It was like a big dumpster 1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:06.559 whatever that. 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:08.879 Was, yeah, ship container, shipping container. 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:12.840 Yeah, we had to lay down. You know, when you're 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:16.519 laying in a pool of blood, you're not allowed to 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:21.400 move because you know the continuity, right, if you get up, 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:23.559 you can lay back down, it will never be the 1:34:23.600 --> 1:34:25.360 same and you're going to do a shot and it's 1:34:25.439 --> 1:34:26.200 not going to match. 1:34:26.880 --> 1:34:28.439 So we were laying down in the. 1:34:28.360 --> 1:34:32.000 Same position next to each other in a puddle of 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:35.760 puddles of blood, and we held hands while we were 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:39.840 both laying waiting for the lighting and all that stuff. 1:34:39.840 --> 1:34:42.479 When we were reminiscing about the old days. It was 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:43.400 very sweet. 1:34:43.880 --> 1:34:48.080 That is so cute. Oh my god, And you're probably 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:49.880 like I can't believe this is my life. I'm just 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:51.959 like lying in a pool of blood for an hour. 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:55.519 Like I wish you were. It was many hours, but 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:59.320 many hours. I wouldn't. I wouldn't lay down in a 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:00.840 pool of blood with anybody else. 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:09.920 Wait, but back to SVU asunder your police friends defending 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:13.439 your friends. You have some friends that would have your back. 1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:15.400 Well, you know, I don't, not anymore. 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:17.880 But now I have friends that will just like they 1:35:17.920 --> 1:35:19.799 won't even answer my call if I'm in trouble. 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:22.479 But I had friends back in the day when I 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:26.439 was like you know, in LA and Pilot seasons and 1:35:26.840 --> 1:35:27.639 Dean Norris. 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:32.840 You know Dean Norris, Yeah, breaking bad right, breaking bed? 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:36.960 Yeah, yeah, Norris and I we had many late night. 1:35:36.880 --> 1:35:41.120 Calls and Clause and Clause. I did an episode of Clause, and. 1:35:41.000 --> 1:35:43.000 You did an episode of Clause where you were Quiet 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:45.439 Anne's dad. And we have had Judy Reyes on our 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:48.920 podcast She had Quiet Anne has been on our podcasts, 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:51.240 and you played her dad, which is I love a 1:35:51.280 --> 1:35:52.400 full cycle moment. 1:35:52.280 --> 1:35:53.520 Turned out to be gay? 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:57.680 Yeah, yeah, So Dean Norris and I, you know, I 1:35:58.000 --> 1:36:01.200 would spend I met him when I was doing American 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:04.519 Repertory Theater in Harvard and he was a student there 1:36:04.960 --> 1:36:07.120 and we became really close. And then I came out 1:36:07.120 --> 1:36:10.280 to La and I was doing a movie Leath a 1:36:10.320 --> 1:36:12.479 Weapon two, and all of a sudden, there's a knock 1:36:12.520 --> 1:36:14.160 on my door and I opened it up and there 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:16.200 was Jean and he's like, Hey, I'm in this fucking 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:19.920 movie too. Because he can't he can't say anything without 1:36:19.960 --> 1:36:22.519 a curse word, so he's like, ah, motherfucker, I'm in 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:24.080 the fucking movie with you. 1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:26.639 You fucking Anyway, we had. 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:30.320 A blast doing that, and then you know, I would 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:32.439 go out there for Pilot season when I was still 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:34.080 in New York at that time, and I'd fly out 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:37.360 to Pilot Seas and hang out with him and get man, 1:36:37.560 --> 1:36:40.000 we just got just like every night we would go 1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:42.599 out until all hours of the night. We owned the bar. 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:46.320 We would it was. It was mayhem. It was such 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:48.320 a great time. And then you know, at some point 1:36:48.400 --> 1:36:51.479 somebody would get a call. One of us would get 1:36:51.479 --> 1:36:53.880 a call from the other one's agent and go, well, 1:36:54.160 --> 1:36:55.760 we're gonna have to bail the other guy out. 1:36:57.200 --> 1:36:59.519 I'm not kidding you. There were calls like that. 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:02.639 Oh my gosh, Oh that was a lot. 1:37:02.520 --> 1:37:05.160 Of fun and we always had each other's back, and 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:06.639 there were there was a crew of us. 1:37:06.640 --> 1:37:08.479 There were probably about six or seven. 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:13.839 Of But nowadays, like, you know, no, nobody's looking watching 1:37:13.880 --> 1:37:18.280 my back anymore. The guys who would watch my back, 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:21.719 with the exception of Dean are either still in jail 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:22.439 or dead. 1:37:25.360 --> 1:37:27.080 Oh my gosh, that is so funny. 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:30.639 Did you know Christopher Maloney or Iced Tea? Like, did 1:37:30.680 --> 1:37:33.519 you know any Hargatea? Did you know any of the 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:35.120 actors going in? 1:37:35.720 --> 1:37:35.880 No. 1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:38.280 When I got in to do that episode, I had 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:42.080 just finished doing or had just released a movie I 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:48.880 called The Insider, And Mariska was so impressed, and then 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:51.639 Chris was too. But Mariska was like, oh my god, 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:55.240 that's like the best movie I have ever seen. 1:37:55.320 --> 1:37:56.760 It so incredible. 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:59.000 You know, Russell Crowe is in it out Pacino and 1:37:59.479 --> 1:38:02.080 it's a huge, huge cast, and I have a small partner. 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:05.920 But they were very impressed, and they were so happy together. 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:09.000 You know, they were skipping around and everybody was so 1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:12.800 you know, like in between takes, you'd hear Mauritiica say 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:15.439 to Chris, so you go into the gym in the morning, Yeah, 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:16.720 I think I'm gonna go, You're gonna go. 1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:18.679 Yeah, why don't we go together? Okay? 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:22.800 And then I went back about two years three years later, 1:38:22.840 --> 1:38:24.520 and it was a slightly different. 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:28.280 Vibe because you were there for like you were there 1:38:28.280 --> 1:38:30.519 for like not like the honeymoon, but like kind of 1:38:30.560 --> 1:38:33.000 the beginning, like the sweet like oh there. 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:35.760 It was the second season. They were probably just like 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:38.120 we got another season. We're rocking and rolling. 1:38:38.280 --> 1:38:38.479 You know. 1:38:39.280 --> 1:38:42.800 They were seven, and Chris was Chris was super cool, 1:38:43.560 --> 1:38:47.160 so was everybody was super cool. And and Iced Tea, 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:50.839 you know, because you guys do this for a living. 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:55.360 But when you make somebody like Belly laugh, it sticked. 1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:58.600 It hits you, right, It's kind of like sends a 1:38:58.600 --> 1:39:01.240 little dopamine in your brain and you're like, oh my god, 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.000 I just made that person like really crack up. 1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:06.800 And I you know, I told a joke on set, 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.880 and Iced Tea was just like on the floor, and 1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:12.439 I was like, oh shit, that was cool. 1:39:12.880 --> 1:39:13.639 That's awesome. 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:16.240 And I bet, and I bet making Iced Tea laugh 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:19.080 is more fun than the regular person too. 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:21.880 I don't know, you know, I mean, he was he 1:39:22.040 --> 1:39:26.160 was incredible. Everybody there was so incredible. They really were. 1:39:26.200 --> 1:39:28.400 And I don't again. I hate the idea of like 1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:30.920 just talking people up being. 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:35.200 But you know, on a on a sour note, you know, 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:39.599 losing Richard was so sad. 1:39:40.640 --> 1:39:41.680 I met him. 1:39:42.320 --> 1:39:45.080 I think he was a regular member of the Friars 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:48.960 Club and we were on a dais together one time, 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:53.679 and it just it's just so sad to have lost him. 1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:56.879 Yeah, we were really, I mean we didn't know him personally, 1:39:56.920 --> 1:40:00.160 of course, but like just the character the actors, such 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:02.400 a great, such an important. 1:40:02.120 --> 1:40:03.639 Yea, his character was terrific. 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:06.519 But him, you know, him as a as a person 1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:08.640 was just gracious. 1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:11.160 And that's what everybody like. He just seems like he 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:13.479 lived a good life. He used to live near me 1:40:13.560 --> 1:40:15.120 on the Upper West Side, and I would see him 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:17.120 with his dogs on my corner at this cafe. 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:18.400 But I never wanted to bother. 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:21.000 Him, and I'm happy I didn't, but I wish I 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:22.080 could have met him one time. 1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:28.400 You know, you're in life, and the busier you are, 1:40:28.439 --> 1:40:30.160 the more people you meet. You know, when you go 1:40:30.240 --> 1:40:32.439 on set, sometimes you can meet one hundred and fifty 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:36.960 people in a day, and you know you'll meet twenty 1:40:37.000 --> 1:40:41.680 actors in a day and you're doing twenty two episodes 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:44.880 a year and you'll meet a thousand actors and for 1:40:45.000 --> 1:40:47.439 him to you know, single me out and remember me, 1:40:48.040 --> 1:40:50.800 you know, two years after we had worked together again 1:40:50.800 --> 1:40:55.480 at the Friars Club. I thought was was a testament 1:40:55.560 --> 1:40:59.880 to his humanity, you know, his ability to connect with 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:03.599 people in a way that's profound, you know, as. 1:41:03.439 --> 1:41:06.519 Opposed to the kind of glossy hey, how you doing that? Whatever? 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:11.759 You hey champ hey Sport. He was a wonderful person. 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:16.559 Yeah, that's really good to hear. We hear it from 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:17.880 We've heard it from a couple of people. 1:41:18.040 --> 1:41:20.639 That's just like such a thoughtful thing to say about 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:26.880 someone too, you know, that's like a very specific compliment 1:41:27.560 --> 1:41:28.040 of a person. 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:32.120 Well, because you bump into so many people, there are 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:34.679 a few people that you know. Tom x is another 1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:40.839 one that was like with me, it's just so easy 1:41:40.880 --> 1:41:45.040 to just kind of like give a casual hey, yeah, 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:48.200 how you doing, Nice to see you again, and they really. 1:41:48.080 --> 1:41:51.160 Don't know who you are, you know, they've forgotten who 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:57.200 you are. But in the case of Bellzer, Hanks and Smith, 1:41:57.400 --> 1:41:58.679 Will Smith is like that. 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:01.760 And I bring up those big names not to be 1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:05.880 a name dropper, but because these guys are so big 1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:08.960 in what they do and they meet so many people 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:14.040 that it becomes easier to you know, lose the tree 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:15.320 for the forest. 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:19.479 Yeah, that's like what we we always hear about Marishka Hargateay, 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:21.599 Like she's been number one on the show for like 1:42:21.640 --> 1:42:24.840 twenty four years and everybody says how gracious and lovely 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.040 she is and she doesn't have like she doesn't have 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:30.000 to be. And somebody was just saying the same thing 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:34.000 about Tom Hanks to me. Who was it, Oh, Michael Churnis. Yeah, 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.599 he was saying, Yeah, he was saying like that, Yeah 1:42:36.600 --> 1:42:38.439 he did this movie with Tom Hanks and that Tom 1:42:38.479 --> 1:42:39.000 Hanks is. 1:42:39.080 --> 1:42:41.400 But he also just said that about Will Smith too. 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:45.160 It was about the both of them. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, 1:42:45.160 --> 1:42:46.040 it was last week. 1:42:46.320 --> 1:42:48.200 If you know the guys, I don't know if you do, 1:42:48.360 --> 1:42:50.559 but if you know both of those guys, you wouldn't know. 1:42:50.760 --> 1:42:53.280 You don't know that we don't because. 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:58.200 They really are incredibly I mean, you know, unfortunately things 1:42:58.200 --> 1:43:03.360 have changed for Will since the last since the Chris 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:08.639 Rock slap, but they they You know, Tom Hanks, everything 1:43:08.640 --> 1:43:11.960 you've heard about him is absolutely you know true. 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:13.480 He's just one of the. 1:43:13.200 --> 1:43:17.120 Kindest gentlest Sweetest. I worked with him in the first 1:43:17.200 --> 1:43:18.880 movie I ever did. I did The Money Pick. 1:43:18.840 --> 1:43:20.280 The Money, Yeah, the Money Pig. 1:43:21.200 --> 1:43:24.000 Yeah, I saw that on your IMDb and I was like, 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:26.759 I remember watching that movie as a kid for sure, 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:29.400 and I was like a huge Shelley Long fan too. 1:43:30.120 --> 1:43:33.000 Oh kay, yeah, yeah she was paying ass. But that's 1:43:33.120 --> 1:43:37.519 enough really Yeah. I was the guy wearing shower cat. 1:43:37.520 --> 1:43:41.559 But anyway, so so Tom and I worked together in 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:43.160 that for like a minute, you know, I was on 1:43:43.560 --> 1:43:47.160 a small park and then I'm doing a Broadway show 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:51.000 and he comes knocking at my door. Now this is 1:43:51.200 --> 1:43:55.120 right after I mean The Money Pig just there been released, 1:43:55.560 --> 1:43:57.439 and he was still, you know, kind of like a 1:43:58.360 --> 1:44:00.920 He knocked on my dressing room door with Rita Wilson 1:44:00.960 --> 1:44:02.960 and he goes, hey, Nestor, I saw you on the 1:44:03.600 --> 1:44:06.960 on the pay on the playbill and I said, oh 1:44:06.960 --> 1:44:09.080 my god, that's Nester. He was so he you know, 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:11.439 would you mind introducing me to Robert de Niro? 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:11.880 I said no. 1:44:12.360 --> 1:44:14.280 And then I go to La and I'm doing a 1:44:14.320 --> 1:44:17.240 play in La and coincidentally he goes to see that 1:44:17.360 --> 1:44:20.400 play and then he says, nessor this is a this 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:22.679 is more than a coincidence, we got to hang out. 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:25.360 So I'm hanging out with Tom Hanks at his house 1:44:25.479 --> 1:44:28.160 and uh so, John love it. It's a couple of 1:44:28.200 --> 1:44:30.920 other guys from Saturday and Lava there and some producers 1:44:30.960 --> 1:44:32.519 and it was just so great and. 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.880 We hung out a few times and so that was 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:35.479 the end of that. 1:44:36.320 --> 1:44:39.439 And then like twenty five years later, my wife and 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:46.200 I are walking down Eighth Avenue right around thirteenth Street, 1:44:46.920 --> 1:44:49.800 and it was a cold, blistery day and we're all 1:44:49.840 --> 1:44:52.040 bundled up in this very few people on the street 1:44:52.080 --> 1:44:55.959 and we passed this group of people and my wife says. 1:44:55.800 --> 1:44:58.120 I think that was Tom Hanks and. 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:00.400 I turned around and Tom Hanks it stopped and he 1:45:00.520 --> 1:45:02.400 was like trying to figure it out, and he goes. 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:04.800 Nester Serranto, how you doing? 1:45:05.240 --> 1:45:07.479 And it was him with Colin and his two other 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:09.759 younger boys, and we talked for a while. 1:45:09.800 --> 1:45:14.520 But you know, twenty five years later, it was amazing. 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:15.960 It was just amazing. 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:18.400 Anyway, I love these stories. By the way, you never 1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:20.400 have to worry about name dropping with the two of us. 1:45:20.479 --> 1:45:22.360 We will hear it all day long. We love it. 1:45:22.920 --> 1:45:26.920 Yeah, but he's everything. He's everything. You'd ever you know, 1:45:27.280 --> 1:45:31.280 all the stories. Everybody says, oh, he's like the best, 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:32.040 but he really is. 1:45:32.840 --> 1:45:35.360 And I can't believe you're the person that introduced Tom 1:45:35.400 --> 1:45:36.280 Hankston's an hero. 1:45:36.600 --> 1:45:39.920 Yeah, right right, you're that's a that's a big moment. 1:45:40.320 --> 1:45:43.880 Well, you know again, Tom was just up and coming. 1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:47.759 And if you would have seen the line of people 1:45:47.800 --> 1:45:50.439 that were lined up to see Robert de Niro after 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:56.479 the show, it was like like Don Carleone on his 1:45:56.600 --> 1:46:01.280 daughter's wedding. You know, everybody he just wanted to kiss 1:46:01.360 --> 1:46:05.679 de Niro's ring, and Chris walk and Martin Scorsesey, Dustin Hoffman, 1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:11.719 Robin Williams, a line, Meryl Streep, Robert Duval, everybody would 1:46:11.760 --> 1:46:13.840 line up. And so, you know, poor Tom, he was 1:46:13.920 --> 1:46:16.800 just a kid who had done Bachelor Party and this 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:20.000 new movie The Money Pit, and so he needed a 1:46:20.000 --> 1:46:23.559 little help. Yeah, so I hooked the brother up. 1:46:24.720 --> 1:46:26.320 Love It, Love It. 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:30.960 Is there a part in a show that you would 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:33.920 love to play still, like in a theater production. 1:46:35.000 --> 1:46:37.080 I'd like to go back to doing a classical theater, 1:46:37.160 --> 1:46:39.720 which is one of the things that I would I 1:46:39.720 --> 1:46:44.679 always enjoyed doing classical. One of my bride and Joys 1:46:44.760 --> 1:46:50.479 was playing Patrick Stewart's brother in Tempest on Broadway, and 1:46:51.000 --> 1:46:55.760 it was, you know, being on stage with Robert de 1:46:55.840 --> 1:46:59.280 Niro was terrific, and I love that character that I played, 1:47:00.000 --> 1:47:05.440 such a fun character. But to be on stage doing Shakespeare, 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:11.000 it's you know, it's I can't imagine any theatrical actor 1:47:11.080 --> 1:47:13.360 that wouldn't you know, chomping at the bit to do 1:47:13.400 --> 1:47:15.360 something like that. And I did a lot of that 1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:17.000 when I was a kid. That's how I got rid 1:47:17.040 --> 1:47:19.080 of my New York accent, right, I don't got a 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:20.040 New York accent? Right? 1:47:20.880 --> 1:47:22.639 Yeah, Well, I was gonna say when you and Patrick 1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:24.840 Stewart were brothers who had to talk like who, did 1:47:24.840 --> 1:47:27.080 you have to do kind of a Patrick Stewart sound or. 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:28.759 Did he have to talk a little bit more? 1:47:30.280 --> 1:47:32.639 No, you know, one of the great things about theater 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:36.760 is that it doesn't have to It doesn't have to 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:40.439 make so much sense because you know, and especially. 1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:42.240 Now, I mean that was a while ago. 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:45.800 Now you can have two brothers and one guy's you know, 1:47:46.280 --> 1:47:48.120 Asian and the other guy's black. 1:47:47.840 --> 1:47:49.160 And you buy it. 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:53.839 But no, I a quick story on that. Lev Shreiber 1:47:54.040 --> 1:47:57.719 was playing and I were working together in a scene there, 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:01.960 and it was a really great scene that we were doing. 1:48:02.120 --> 1:48:05.280 And even though everybody else is on all the members 1:48:05.320 --> 1:48:08.080 of the court are on stage, it was just Leev 1:48:08.120 --> 1:48:11.160 and I And at the time, I was smoking cigars 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:13.320 and so we were doing a table reading and my 1:48:13.360 --> 1:48:15.680 cigar wasn't lit. But I'm toying with it, you know, 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:19.800 while I'm talking to him, and the scene is so sneaky, 1:48:20.360 --> 1:48:26.040 you know, like we're inspiring, and I got into this 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:28.160 thing where I started to think of it. 1:48:28.560 --> 1:48:30.840 You know, this is almost like two gangsters, you know. 1:48:31.479 --> 1:48:34.040 So I'm doing this thing and I'm talking to him Leev, 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:35.880 and I'm doing this whole thing like this, but I'm 1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:39.600 doing Elizabethan Wortz, but I'm talking like this. It just 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:41.760 kind of like it wasn't an act. 1:48:41.840 --> 1:48:44.519 It just kind of like felt right, It felt organic, 1:48:44.680 --> 1:48:46.360 and I knew we weren't going to do it that way. 1:48:46.760 --> 1:48:52.320 But at one point the director had dialect coaches come 1:48:52.360 --> 1:48:56.439 in and they heard me doing that, and I got 1:48:56.479 --> 1:49:00.960 sent to dialect school and Leev was like making fun 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:03.679 of me because he said to it, but I did. 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:07.400 I didn't have to do it. I was playing up 1:49:07.479 --> 1:49:11.519 that character. But I ended up getting into trouble. Yeah, 1:49:12.040 --> 1:49:16.640 I got sent a dialect school, but Patrick and I 1:49:16.720 --> 1:49:20.640 never really had any scenes together. So even though you know, 1:49:20.720 --> 1:49:26.040 my mid Atlantic, which is what they call non standard 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:29.880 American English, is such that if you were if we 1:49:29.880 --> 1:49:32.880 were talking to each other and you listen carefully, you 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:35.680 might notice that I don't have a British accent, and 1:49:35.720 --> 1:49:37.840 he did, but it wasn't. 1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:41.759 Noticeable enough that it would have made anybody's ears perk. 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:43.800 Up right well, and especially reading. 1:49:45.080 --> 1:49:50.160 Going back to doing a classical theater was I'm seriously 1:49:50.200 --> 1:49:53.240 thinking about maybe hanging up my film and. 1:49:53.200 --> 1:49:57.120 TV shoes and doing some theater here locally. There's some 1:49:57.160 --> 1:49:58.400 good theater in Baltimore. 1:49:59.240 --> 1:50:02.439 This was awesome something and we got so much from 1:50:02.479 --> 1:50:04.880 you for this. This is gonna be great, and thank 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:07.040 you so much for taking the time to talk to us. 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:08.200 This was wonderful. 1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:09.240 It was my pleasure. 1:50:13.040 --> 1:50:15.599 Obsessed with him and everything he stands for. 1:50:15.920 --> 1:50:17.400 Yeah, he is fun. 1:50:17.720 --> 1:50:19.439 I want to I want to go to his house 1:50:19.560 --> 1:50:21.280 in his weird, gaudy office. 1:50:22.040 --> 1:50:26.839 You have some maybe he's not drinking, he's not drinking anymore, 1:50:26.960 --> 1:50:28.760 but like we could do so we talked to him 1:50:28.760 --> 1:50:31.720 for over an hour, like he was really we could 1:50:31.720 --> 1:50:33.640 We wish we could put the whole interview, but you 1:50:33.680 --> 1:50:36.000 guys would probably be like, that's too much. But uh, 1:50:36.720 --> 1:50:39.800 I didn't want to fun talk to Yeah, he was fun, 1:50:39.920 --> 1:50:40.759 he was cool. 1:50:41.280 --> 1:50:46.480 He you know, just had his head on straight. I'm obsessed. Yeah, 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:49.800 I would say top ten guests. No thanks to our 1:50:49.840 --> 1:50:53.639 guests who didn't make the cut. Also, I did remember 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:56.160 something that maybe could have gone in the intro, not 1:50:56.200 --> 1:50:58.719 a full post mortem. So you know, I was working 1:50:58.720 --> 1:51:00.759 on something where the ad as being a bitch. 1:51:01.120 --> 1:51:02.360 Yes, I told you about that. 1:51:02.600 --> 1:51:06.440 Yes, So I went to I saw someone else who 1:51:06.920 --> 1:51:10.120 had a part in the movie, and before I said anything, 1:51:10.280 --> 1:51:12.719 they started talking about how the AD was an awful 1:51:12.720 --> 1:51:13.800 bitch to them. 1:51:14.200 --> 1:51:17.000 Of course. I mean it's like, I think she. 1:51:17.200 --> 1:51:20.320 Just likes to go after the people that are there 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:22.680 for a few days having a great time, and she 1:51:22.840 --> 1:51:25.000 because she can't take it out on anyone else. Yeah, 1:51:25.040 --> 1:51:27.759 you can't take go after the stars or like the director. 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:31.240 So yeah, but I was like, ugh, great to hear 1:51:31.280 --> 1:51:33.280 that she's out there bullying everybody. 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:35.519 So that was just nice. 1:51:36.120 --> 1:51:37.840 Well that's kind of some of the tea I was 1:51:37.880 --> 1:51:40.040 getting as well from the person in the picket line, 1:51:40.080 --> 1:51:42.200 but I can't talk about it all to tell you off, Mike, 1:51:42.280 --> 1:51:46.400 but about the ad no about another person in a 1:51:46.479 --> 1:51:49.519 high up position at a television show acting like an asshole, 1:51:49.560 --> 1:51:51.479 And I was like, it's such a shame because I 1:51:51.479 --> 1:51:54.000 feel like people it doesn't take that. 1:51:54.040 --> 1:51:57.920 Much to be nice, Like it really doesn't. No, No, 1:51:58.120 --> 1:52:00.559 I think they like being me Emmy. I think she 1:52:00.720 --> 1:52:03.240 like enjoys it. I think it's part of her daily 1:52:03.840 --> 1:52:06.240 mantras of like I can't wait to ruin a young 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:10.080 person's life who's so excited, Like I think she gets 1:52:10.120 --> 1:52:12.960 off on it. Honestly, you gotta watch Beef. Some people 1:52:13.040 --> 1:52:14.160 are angry fucks. 1:52:14.600 --> 1:52:17.880 Yeah, oh no, that's like what I feel like Beef 1:52:17.960 --> 1:52:19.960 is tapping into is like the anger. 1:52:20.080 --> 1:52:24.800 Oh my gosh, so twisted and good. Also off Summerhouse. 1:52:24.880 --> 1:52:27.680 I know you don't watch the seasonal homes, but the 1:52:27.880 --> 1:52:30.240 four like this. You know how we went into Vanderpump 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:33.559 knowing there's a cheating thing. We went into Summerhouse knowing 1:52:33.640 --> 1:52:37.800 a friendship breaks, an eight year friendship between Lindsay and 1:52:37.880 --> 1:52:41.520 Danielle breaks off. And this week, this most recent episode, 1:52:41.720 --> 1:52:44.040 we're in the time machine. But it finally came to 1:52:44.080 --> 1:52:47.479 a head because Lindsay's a lunatic. So the whole time 1:52:47.520 --> 1:52:49.639 before it starts and watch what happened, all the evidence 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:52.920 were like, can't wait to see what Lindsay's crazy ass did. 1:52:53.439 --> 1:52:56.679 It's truly Danielle. Danielle is a menace this season. 1:52:56.800 --> 1:53:00.800 It is shocking and basically at all like the friendship 1:53:00.920 --> 1:53:02.759 ending thing happened this week. 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:06.639 Yeah, my friend was telling me about this yesterday. Our friend, 1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:09.559 our friend. It's really nuts. So what did your what 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:10.559 did our friends say? 1:53:10.840 --> 1:53:11.240 She said? 1:53:11.320 --> 1:53:15.280 Yeah, she was like yeah, And at the end, it's like, wow, Danielle, 1:53:15.560 --> 1:53:18.920 bad luck, Like she looks terrible, Like that's she agreed 1:53:18.920 --> 1:53:20.080 with you basically what you just said. 1:53:20.160 --> 1:53:22.439 Yeah, because I understand Danielle's feeling. 1:53:22.560 --> 1:53:25.839 She could be feeling left out, her friends changed, Lindsay's 1:53:25.840 --> 1:53:28.400 aboutfort like, she could be feeling lots of things, her 1:53:28.439 --> 1:53:30.720 relationships on the rocks, they're not broken up, like you 1:53:30.760 --> 1:53:33.320 can feel all those things. But basically, like Lindsay gets 1:53:33.360 --> 1:53:37.559 engaged and Danielle makes all about her start screaming, Like 1:53:37.880 --> 1:53:40.960 Kyle gets the group together, going, hey, guys, Carl just 1:53:41.040 --> 1:53:43.439 proposed to Lindsay, we're all going to this bar, he 1:53:43.520 --> 1:53:46.120 has all her family and friends flew in. Let's party 1:53:46.240 --> 1:53:49.360 this engagement, and Danielle goes, are you fucking kidding me? 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:51.920 This is fucked up? Why did nobody tell me? 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:54.599 I can't believe nobody told me, and start like all 1:53:54.600 --> 1:53:56.679 the younger people are like they don't. 1:53:56.720 --> 1:53:58.200 Their faces are in shock. 1:53:58.280 --> 1:54:00.760 No one knows how to react because everyone's like, yay, 1:54:00.880 --> 1:54:04.439 they're engaged, and why would anyone include you? When Carl 1:54:04.479 --> 1:54:06.479 said he was shopping for rings, she picked up a 1:54:06.479 --> 1:54:09.760 pillow and screamed into the pillow, and she said that 1:54:09.800 --> 1:54:13.120 their relationship is weird, that it's moving too fast and 1:54:13.160 --> 1:54:15.519 has all these judgments. So then to also want to 1:54:15.520 --> 1:54:20.080 be included in the planning is nuts. So she's screaming, crying. 1:54:20.680 --> 1:54:23.120 Finally gets it together to go to this party, and 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:25.120 you would think as an adult, and it's not about you. 1:54:25.240 --> 1:54:29.280 My friends are engaged. I'm gonna say congrats, smile and cry. Later, 1:54:29.880 --> 1:54:32.040 she goes out to every single person at the party goes, 1:54:32.040 --> 1:54:33.040 so when did you find out? 1:54:33.120 --> 1:54:33.200 Oh? 1:54:33.240 --> 1:54:35.760 Okay, well I just found out. So I'm pretty fucking pissed. 1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:37.000 Oh my god. 1:54:37.680 --> 1:54:40.160 And so Lindsay's best friend was like, well, I had 1:54:40.200 --> 1:54:42.440 to know ahead of time because I had to fly here, 1:54:43.200 --> 1:54:46.080 so yeah, I needed to make arrangements. And she keeps 1:54:46.080 --> 1:54:48.520 going and the friend is like, you need to stop. 1:54:48.560 --> 1:54:52.040 This is Lindsay's happiest day of her life. This isn't 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:55.560 about you. You need to shut your fucking mouth. And like 1:54:55.640 --> 1:54:58.680 Lindsay comes in, hugs her stepdad or her dad and 1:54:58.720 --> 1:55:03.200 like they're crying and it's this like beautiful moment and 1:55:03.320 --> 1:55:06.240 Danielle is just crying, screaming and making it all about 1:55:06.240 --> 1:55:07.200 her psycho. 1:55:07.320 --> 1:55:12.720 I mean that's like, that's like narcissism hardcore. It's it's 1:55:12.800 --> 1:55:14.600 but she's not. I don't think she is. 1:55:14.840 --> 1:55:17.080 I get what she's feeling inside, but it's like you 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:18.600 are raised wrong, you are right. 1:55:18.600 --> 1:55:21.160 How old is she is? She like twenty two? No, 1:55:21.280 --> 1:55:23.840 they're in their thirties. They're old. Yeah, Like that's crazy. 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:26.000 That behavior is crazy. Yeah. 1:55:26.480 --> 1:55:28.680 I also heard there's a new Trinity grat on the show. 1:55:29.120 --> 1:55:31.960 Yes there, Yeah, Gabby. I looked her up. I looked 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:34.080 her up. Let me just say we did not overlap. 1:55:34.440 --> 1:55:38.440 She is a much more recent gratuate than me. Yeah, 1:55:38.520 --> 1:55:41.760 Kyle's your ear right, Kyle's like the year right below me. 1:55:41.800 --> 1:55:43.400 But we're like the same age because I'm young for 1:55:43.480 --> 1:55:46.120 my grade. That's the only thing I'm young for anyway. 1:55:46.800 --> 1:55:48.800 But yeah, so I know this is kind of you know, 1:55:48.880 --> 1:55:51.320 if you're not watching Summerhouse, that might have been too much. 1:55:51.360 --> 1:55:54.360 But it's just like going into the season, you're like, 1:55:54.560 --> 1:55:57.640 cause Danielle is so but also it's like you don't 1:55:57.680 --> 1:55:59.160 have to be friends with Lindsay, but you want to 1:55:59.160 --> 1:56:01.720 because you want to be on the show out Like 1:56:01.920 --> 1:56:05.960 she was always just like Lindsay's friend who is calm 1:56:06.000 --> 1:56:09.440 and boring, right, And now that Lindsay has like a 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:13.240 partner she's excited about. Danielle just can't handle it and 1:56:13.280 --> 1:56:14.800 she keeps me like I was there for you when 1:56:14.840 --> 1:56:16.760 everything was shitty, and it's like, yeah, there are friends 1:56:16.800 --> 1:56:19.520 who only like when you're in the dumps and when 1:56:19.520 --> 1:56:23.400 they're doing wow, they can't celebrate you. And Robert and 1:56:23.440 --> 1:56:25.200 her moved in together after too, Like she's being a 1:56:25.280 --> 1:56:28.560 hypocrite this whole time and talking shit about Lindsay to 1:56:28.600 --> 1:56:30.280 the other girls in the house who don't like her. 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:33.200 Yeah, I mean it's like, I know you're saying that 1:56:33.240 --> 1:56:35.520 she's not a narcissist, and that's very possible. But like 1:56:35.560 --> 1:56:37.840 I do think that in moments like this, people really 1:56:37.880 --> 1:56:41.160 show their true colors, like when this is like this 1:56:41.200 --> 1:56:43.120 is so above and beyond like the. 1:56:43.080 --> 1:56:45.120 Way that like people need to watch it. 1:56:45.360 --> 1:56:47.880 I someone is acting like when someone's a bridesmaid in 1:56:47.920 --> 1:56:50.480 someone's wedding and acts crazy, when someone's like planning someone's 1:56:50.520 --> 1:56:53.000 baby shower nexts crazy. It's like these are this is 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:56.200 someone else's moment that you're fully commendeering, Like I don't know, 1:56:56.240 --> 1:56:57.640 that's something you got to look in word about. 1:56:57.720 --> 1:57:00.360 That's wild. It's just not about you like fight later. 1:57:00.440 --> 1:57:02.160 So then so the next week and they all go 1:57:02.200 --> 1:57:03.880 in it's the last week in the house, and Lindsay goes, 1:57:03.880 --> 1:57:05.520 not only are we no longer best friends, we are 1:57:05.520 --> 1:57:08.000 no longer friends. She goes every single she went up 1:57:08.040 --> 1:57:10.400 to every single person at the engagement party and was like, well, 1:57:10.440 --> 1:57:12.840 I'm pissed no one told me I wasn't even part 1:57:12.840 --> 1:57:13.400 of the planning. 1:57:13.440 --> 1:57:14.160 Can you believe it? 1:57:14.560 --> 1:57:16.920 You have like her friends that flew in for this 1:57:17.040 --> 1:57:17.840 engagement party. 1:57:17.920 --> 1:57:19.320 Why would you be part of the planning if you've 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:22.080 been talking shit on this couple since they like got together, Like, 1:57:22.160 --> 1:57:24.080 why would they ever include you when you're like, your 1:57:24.080 --> 1:57:27.400 relationship's weird. Why didn't you ask me to plan your engagement? 1:57:27.600 --> 1:57:28.080 So weird? 1:57:28.200 --> 1:57:30.720 Yeah, and then her boyfriend's like I texted congrats and 1:57:30.960 --> 1:57:32.160 Carl didn't even respond. 1:57:32.200 --> 1:57:34.000 And then Carl's like, I got four hundred. I just 1:57:34.000 --> 1:57:34.720 got engaged. 1:57:34.800 --> 1:57:41.280 Yeah, you know, like it's it's appalling. But because going 1:57:41.280 --> 1:57:43.000 into the season, they were asking like who's gonna have 1:57:43.000 --> 1:57:45.600 the most to you know, own up to at the 1:57:46.000 --> 1:57:49.120 or answer to at the reunion, and everyone kept saying Danielle. 1:57:49.160 --> 1:57:50.840 And I was like, how is this gonna happen? Because 1:57:50.880 --> 1:57:55.080 Lindsay is uninged, so I was like, what is gonna happen? 1:57:55.440 --> 1:57:59.080 And it's boo Danielle, Like it is so. 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:02.280 Fucked how much I know about the show not watching it, 1:58:02.320 --> 1:58:04.120 Like I know what these people look like, I know 1:58:04.360 --> 1:58:06.840 you're talking, I know who you're talking about, I know 1:58:06.960 --> 1:58:08.280 the story well. 1:58:08.280 --> 1:58:12.160 Because also once Lindsay they had a talk, and once 1:58:12.520 --> 1:58:15.240 Danielle was like, I feel like I've lost my friends. 1:58:15.280 --> 1:58:17.120 You don't pay attention to me. My life is hard 1:58:17.200 --> 1:58:19.920 right now. Lindsay hugs her immediately goes, I'm so sorry. 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:22.280 I love you so much. I'm gonna try to call 1:58:22.320 --> 1:58:24.960 you more. I'm gonna be a better friend because Lindsay 1:58:25.040 --> 1:58:28.080 is a bad friend. Yeah, but you can't do that 1:58:28.120 --> 1:58:29.480 at someone's engagement party. 1:58:29.880 --> 1:58:34.240 No, No, you have to watch her. You have to 1:58:34.280 --> 1:58:36.920 watch it. Okay, I'll watch it. I'll watch it, honest way, 1:58:36.920 --> 1:58:38.320 I'll go in my house and watch it right like 1:58:38.360 --> 1:58:39.160 right after we're done. 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:39.800 I really will. 1:58:40.080 --> 1:58:42.680 I just don't know how she thought that she wasn't 1:58:42.680 --> 1:58:46.080 going to be the bad guy after Hey, Carl's proposing 1:58:46.240 --> 1:58:47.920 right now, we're all going to meet him at the bar? 1:58:48.160 --> 1:58:51.000 Are you fucking kidding me? This is so fucked up. 1:58:51.040 --> 1:58:52.480 That's how she reacts because. 1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:55.000 She's not thinking about anybody but herself, like truly, like 1:58:55.080 --> 1:58:57.040 she's the victim, and like that's the only reason I 1:58:57.040 --> 1:59:01.120 bring up narcissism because in malignant narcissists always the victim. 1:59:01.240 --> 1:59:03.960 It's always about them and like what people are doing 1:59:04.000 --> 1:59:07.520 to them. So that's why I brought that up. But wow, Okay, 1:59:07.520 --> 1:59:08.400 I'm gonna check it out. 1:59:08.440 --> 1:59:12.560 But what did we learn here asunder domestic episode? 1:59:12.800 --> 1:59:15.920 Yeah, but this episode is wild because they really were 1:59:15.960 --> 1:59:18.120 trying to show a lot of he said, she said, 1:59:18.160 --> 1:59:20.800 I feel like of it all, Like we already mentioned this, 1:59:20.920 --> 1:59:25.760 but ultimately, this was an abusive relationship and he was 1:59:26.160 --> 1:59:29.360 an abuser and a guest later and he would like, 1:59:29.400 --> 1:59:31.240 you shouldn't throw frying pans of people, But I think 1:59:31.280 --> 1:59:35.360 this man was traumatizing his wife. 1:59:34.400 --> 1:59:37.160 And I I mean, I can't. And I loved a 1:59:37.200 --> 1:59:40.839 court makeout scene. Not gonna lie. That was a highlight 1:59:40.880 --> 1:59:46.560 of this episode for me. Yeah, yeah, I did see 1:59:46.640 --> 1:59:49.800 on Instagram. It was like it's you know, a ticks whatever, 1:59:49.960 --> 1:59:53.840 I need help, But it said like, what was the 1:59:53.880 --> 1:59:56.200 final thing he said that made you know that you 1:59:56.240 --> 1:59:59.080 had to leave? And so I read hundreds of comments 1:59:59.280 --> 2:00:03.440 and people are getting abused. It's like fucked. 2:00:04.000 --> 2:00:07.360 My friend who listens to the podcast just posted today 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:10.240 that her cleaning lady of five years was just killed 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:14.800 in a domestic violence incident. And she's like I knew her. 2:00:14.800 --> 2:00:16.760 I knew a little bit about her family. She was 2:00:16.800 --> 2:00:19.720 so amazing. She knew about my family, and but I 2:00:19.720 --> 2:00:22.760 didn't know she had this abusive ex boyfriend and now 2:00:22.800 --> 2:00:26.160 she's gone. It's just so like, it's so fucked up 2:00:26.320 --> 2:00:29.320 like that men are just constantly a threat to women 2:00:29.360 --> 2:00:30.080 at all times. 2:00:30.600 --> 2:00:31.680 And it made me really sad. 2:00:31.760 --> 2:00:35.440 But yeah, Kitty, instead of like getting behind and like 2:00:35.520 --> 2:00:36.320 helping out. 2:00:36.560 --> 2:00:40.640 They're like, it's not all of us, but then it is. Yeah, 2:00:40.680 --> 2:00:40.920 they were. 2:00:40.960 --> 2:00:42.640 By the time I looked at this post, there were 2:00:42.640 --> 2:00:48.360 over four thousand comments and all of them were just 2:00:48.480 --> 2:00:51.920 like horrific, horrific things. 2:00:52.000 --> 2:00:55.440 Yeah, yeah, it was really wild. 2:00:56.120 --> 2:00:58.320 Yeah, and they I mean the new season of the 2:00:58.360 --> 2:01:01.520 new season of sv I just watched the episode where 2:01:01.520 --> 2:01:06.320 Betty Buckley is. You know, it's not a good episode, 2:01:06.360 --> 2:01:09.960 I know, but she's like the special like whatever her 2:01:10.160 --> 2:01:12.600 role is. She's like the boss of careesy and everybody 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:17.160 in the SVU higher up like the law, like the 2:01:17.280 --> 2:01:21.760 order part of it, and she like they talk about 2:01:21.760 --> 2:01:24.360 her beat. She has been in an abusive relationship and 2:01:24.360 --> 2:01:26.200 I think that's why she kind of lets that motherfucker 2:01:26.320 --> 2:01:28.600 like go. If you've seen the episode, you know what 2:01:28.640 --> 2:01:32.640 I'm talking about. But let's move on this. This segue 2:01:32.680 --> 2:01:34.800 is actually perfectly into our what would Sister Peg do 2:01:34.880 --> 2:01:37.760 for this week? That's this is our weekly segment where 2:01:37.760 --> 2:01:40.640 we direct you towards an organization, a blog post, a 2:01:40.680 --> 2:01:42.680 podcast episode, something to give you more info about what 2:01:42.680 --> 2:01:45.839 we talked about today. And as always, the Domestic Violence 2:01:46.080 --> 2:01:48.800 National Hotline is there. But this week I wanted to 2:01:49.160 --> 2:01:52.960 point you to Pandora's Project, which is an organization that 2:01:53.120 --> 2:01:56.200 is a quote a nonprofit dedicated to providing support and 2:01:56.240 --> 2:01:58.800 resources to survivors of rape and sexual abuse and their 2:01:58.840 --> 2:02:02.240 friends and family. And something I liked about Pandora's Project 2:02:02.440 --> 2:02:05.200 is some people might be hesitant to pick up the 2:02:05.240 --> 2:02:07.520 phone and actually talk to someone about what's going on 2:02:07.600 --> 2:02:10.320 with them. And they have an online support group called 2:02:10.320 --> 2:02:14.839 Pandora's Aquarium, and they just said, we believe that connecting 2:02:14.880 --> 2:02:17.760 with other rape and sexual abuse survivors is an important 2:02:17.760 --> 2:02:19.800 part of healing. So I just thought that was like 2:02:19.840 --> 2:02:22.160 a great way that people can sort of ease into 2:02:22.520 --> 2:02:25.040 just going on these forums, seeing what other people are saying, 2:02:25.680 --> 2:02:29.080 seeing if what they're experiencing, if that resonates with like 2:02:29.120 --> 2:02:31.480 what if what they're reading resonates with their own experience. 2:02:31.640 --> 2:02:35.960 So the website is pandies dot org, pa n d 2:02:36.240 --> 2:02:40.600 ys dot org and that takes you to Pandora's Aquarium 2:02:40.600 --> 2:02:43.000 and some other resources as well, and you can donate. 2:02:43.080 --> 2:02:46.640 So that will be as always in a story on 2:02:46.720 --> 2:02:49.120 the day of our show release, it will be in 2:02:49.160 --> 2:02:51.320 a story on our Instagram, which is That's Messed Up 2:02:51.360 --> 2:02:53.440 Pod and it will always be saved in our story 2:02:53.520 --> 2:02:54.800 highlights WWSPD. 2:02:55.480 --> 2:02:57.320 Thank you so much for that. 2:02:57.920 --> 2:03:01.960 And next week, on a lighter note, I mean still rape, 2:03:02.000 --> 2:03:06.000 but an episode we've been very excited to do Comic 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:10.640 Perversion Season fifteen, Episode fifteen. 2:03:10.960 --> 2:03:13.360 The Inside Baseball episode you've been waiting for. 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:16.560 Yeah, and I keep telling comics to watch it, like 2:03:16.600 --> 2:03:21.120 I wonder if we should do a giant viewing screening. 2:03:21.440 --> 2:03:23.959 Let's get a club to let us do it, invite 2:03:23.960 --> 2:03:28.080 our guests. You guys are gonna die, and then have 2:03:28.240 --> 2:03:30.360 comics watch it. But a lot of them know about 2:03:30.360 --> 2:03:32.760 the case because I've been bringing it up, like I'll 2:03:32.760 --> 2:03:34.160 cover too, and a. 2:03:34.080 --> 2:03:36.800 Lot of them know. Whatever. 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