WEBVTT - QLS Classic: PJ Morton 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.159 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.000 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.280 What's up, y'all? This is Quess Love and this is 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.920 another q lest classic. This episode, we talk to our 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:20.200 pal p J. Morton, member of Broom five Monster in 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.840 his own right Grammy winner, and he talks about his 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.239 journey uh for being a preacher's kid in New Orleans 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.400 to uh world domination. You know it should be quite dope. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:37.080 I hope you enjoy it all right starting, Oh God, 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:45.120 here we go. Su Primo roll call, Surema, su Premo 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:54.440 role called sub primam roll call, Soma roll call, tenants 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:59.440 pool Yeah, Rocket Simmons shoes signs from the heaven above. Ye, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:11.399 some water. Primo road call. My name is Fonte. Yeah, 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:16.800 I'm kicking my game. Yeah where everybody, Yeah knows my name. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:27.360 Prima road call, some Prima Prima road here whole Yeah, 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.840 and you know I'm no sucker. Yeah yeah. Oh that 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:40.679 hurt like a motherfucker. Some Primo road Sorry you Prema 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:45.399 road call. My name is Sugar, Yeah, yes, please, yeah, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:52.720 won't you come? Ye put it down on me. Cama 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:59.440 road call. Some Prima road call. It's like yeah, and 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.360 I'm all of that yeah with my boy PJ. Yeah 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:10.720 who that who that din me tell you you have 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.919 to do this? My name is p J. I could 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.280 just scream yeah, I finally made it quest love to 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:39.760 bring something roll roll. So wait, so let me get 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.560 it correct. You knew what you had to do on 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.680 this theme. Yeah, so it's it's taking us one hundred 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:50.320 plus episodes to get someone on the show that listens 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.040 to our show, I mean the first twenty and so 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.840 we can excuse him because you know, no, it's just 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.160 usually what what what listeners of our show don't know 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.520 is that no one is warned, you know, and they 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.519 don't listen. And PJ is actually like the first person 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.040 who actually listened. I take that we might have our 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.200 first music nerd. Actually the wait, we've done over a 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:20.160 hundred and this dude don't know what ordered roll calls in. Okay, sorry, 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.720 seems it seems like we was just going around in 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.280 the circle. Yeah, because that's how we always deal with Well, 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:26.760 you shouldn't have sent me in the seat, you should 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.400 have sent me where you were sitting. You got here 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.799 early ones like oh I'm the boss, I'm boss, Steve 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.160 Clear you're gonna bos'n that. Wait, you know what not 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.160 Sugar Network? Right? One year? Got a year? Right? One year? 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:46.280 Like a month ago? Yeah? Month? Yeah? Yeah, congratulations Steve, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.600 thank you. So what what developments have occurred in the 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.360 Sugar Network? You know, the same as usual. We just 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.760 continue to grow, thanks to thanks. I saw some weird 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.680 last night. Yeah in grep Times. What was that? As 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.200 an electric circus? Was so dope? Yeah, one of the 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.400 one of the Sugar celebrities, Soldier, made that for network 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.880 to celebrate the first year. It's very cool graphics. It 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.400 was dope. It was it was everybody else on the 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.160 team except me and that I know. You want to 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.520 Bill that wasn't there either. You guys got to participate more. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.120 Those are like the major select that hit him alive, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:27.279 don't I'm I'm on social media completely now, So how's 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:33.000 that going? How's your social media fast? Is it? Because 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.720 on the group chat I made a reference to a 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.760 few things that you didn't know about, And you know what, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.040 I have no no fear of missing out. I don't care, really, 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:45.040 I don't care. Hopefully really hopening up to the world 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.000 these days, then I guess hopefully more people will follow 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.720 the suit, you know, actually get stuff done on time. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.320 Now you know that I can actually sit through a 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.480 television show and know what's happening. I wonder, but you 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.640 don't get tempted or all to look at trending topics 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.279 or no, I don't give a ship. That's why I quit. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.080 That's why I quit in the first place, because I 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.800 looked at all this and I was like, I don't care. Wait, 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.520 back in the December, you told you just dropping your Facebook. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.720 It was you think I was gonna drop everything once 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.160 and then you know, have shocking and go out and 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:19.960 steps like, actually, the way you're looking right now, that's 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.000 why I'm sitting because like, yeah, it was like, okay, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.839 I quit Facebook because that was easy to do because 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.680 most most people, you know, I know everybody I keep 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.760 family on Facebook. I don't even keep family on Facebook. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.320 That would have been too much, y'all would have y'all 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.160 would have unfriended me a long time ago. Um, But 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.080 you know, Twitter I hardly ever used, so it was 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.680 easy to just hit the delete button on that. Instagram 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.880 was probably the hardest. How do they do they delete? 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.479 Is it like are you sure click? Are you really 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.640 sure click? I mean I I downloaded all my information, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.200 so you know, if I get all missy eyed for 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.440 the days of Twitter your I can go back and 0:05:54.520 --> 0:06:00.600 read some bullshit. Okay, so wait it lets you download. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.239 You can download you you can download everything, really because 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.080 it saves everything. It saves everything. It's the Internet. Nothing 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.360 is deleted. You can download what Twitter and Instagment and 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.920 Facebook and Instagram. You can download all that ship Okay, 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.640 I would like to revisit my old m hmm. Maybe 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.360 I need to do that, mm hmm, just in case. Yeah, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.240 I mean, if you want job number twenty five. Yeah, exactly, 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.599 That's That's what I mean. Sort of make sure I'm straight. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.200 I caught out there, not caught out there. Um wait, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.080 did you want to, oh, tell me something? I had 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.840 a story. I don't worry, sir, Like you should know 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.640 the drill since your fans jump in. This is something 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.200 that as soon as it happened, I wanted to tell you, 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:46.960 but I was like, Yo, we're taking a show tonight. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.120 I need to put this on the air. Oh no, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.640 what did I do? Wait? Did I do something? No? 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.400 You were just on television and my mama wasn't was watching. Okay, 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:01.880 my phone rings okay, junior, what's this let's see on 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.440 television with quest Love and his daughter? Who is his daughter? What? Mom? 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.640 He ain't got no daughter. He he's he's on here 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.920 getting helping her get her wedding dress for her wedding. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:21.320 I was like, Mama, that's his sister. First reactions like 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.880 congrat Don Thompson, who is unless you lead the older sister. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.000 But you know, we don't know. I'm looking. I'm a 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:36.480 quote big brother three hundred plus. My mom thought your 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:41.800 sister was your daughter. Just thanks, I appreciate that. Thank you? 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.960 When did she? When did you get married? Three times ago? 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.600 We shouted six seven years ago, right ago, seven thousand fourteen. 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.600 My dad was still alive, so made me like yeah, 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:57.320 two December two thousand fourteen. Yeah, oh wow. He also said, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:02.880 shout out guarantee of more. Uh yeah, that my daughter. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.760 Apparently I haven't laughed that hard and so long like me, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.720 and like you had. We had a conference call right afterwards, 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.440 and why I got on the phone. I was still laughing. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.600 She really meant that. Damn. Then I look that old. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.200 I don't know. Oh here's a killer. And she's like 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.320 she had one more thing to say and you know what, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.200 he had the nerve to be at that winning with 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.440 that dog. Don't pick in his hair. Older people should 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.680 haven't adjusted to that. Yeah, that's a prep and you 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.720 that's a part of your fit. Apparently you know Cindy 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.880 Lou at work, Steve the other job we have. Yeah, 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:47.360 her mom about rest in Pisa. People die, no, no, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:52.679 no no. Her mom says, uh, she always calls it 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.360 a fork, keep that fork. And I gave her the 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.240 fork for Christmas, just you know, because she's not a 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:06.080 new girl. Yeah she's Yeah, she's Asian. Okay, uses waiting 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:13.360 for the other one. Yeah, black black, I forgot it's 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.160 been i'ven't seen you guys. And you should have dropped 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.320 Bill's match it a minute ago because he was angry. Yeah, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.520 sorry about that anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:29.000 episode of Quest Love Supreme. We are we are here. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.559 We gather it here today. We're here with no Orlans 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.360 Nolan Zone. Can I say no Orlans Sure you can't? 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:43.120 Okay by Nolan Zone, Grammy Award winning, winning, winning, we 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.679 will we will say the hot sauce to Maroon five 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:57.480 take a salad gumbo wearing in the Mustard Greens too. Yeah, 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.640 I say, I'm the only Marone in my road. So 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.800 my dad have you. Yeah. I was like to say, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.920 has anyone ever said that to you? Oh? My dad 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.599 look like you? When they said yeah, yeah, that was 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.440 Oh no, it didn't come from No. Ladies and gentleman, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.800 please welcome from the show. And apparently, uh lover of 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:19.800 the show, our first one, p J Borton. I talked 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:24.360 to him. I talked to Gregg filling games today and 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.719 it was because of the show that I knew, you know, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.079 his history, and he was from the Stevie School and 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.920 I'm doing something with them, and I was like, he 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.839 was playing first be game while I was on the 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.280 phone my song and he was saying, I told him 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.599 I went to the Stevie School. Indirectly he went to 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.360 the real Stevie School. But yeah, that was this show 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.600 that connected me to that. Yeah, like that that great 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.000 episode is probably I mean, we we all hold the 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.240 Jimmy jam episode in highlight, but I'll say that the 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.280 Greg episode probably my second favorite. Yeah. It was a lot, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.599 a lot of show of art. Yeah, it's edgy mccational 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.640 and he got great energy energy. It's crazy. Yes, great 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:08.480 natural energy. So wait, I gotta ask uh having won 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:13.600 that Grammy and that's your first grand because that's my first. Yeah, 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.679 well yeah, this this is funny. I actually didn't. I 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.280 thought I want to Grammy. We're doing a performance and 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.640 said a song No. I wrote on ind i re 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.959 S album. My first major placement was in college when 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.319 I was at Moorhouse and um bet she won Best 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.640 R and B Album and and for years I thought, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.800 because I wrote and produced on that album, man, that 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.440 I was a Grammy Award winner. And it wasn't until 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.280 I became a governor of the Memphis Chapter and I 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.280 was that they were like, yeah, you know, you haven't 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:57.760 actually yeah a little yeah, I got the but this 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.480 is my first trophy, you know, but I didn't even know. Yeah, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.880 good night, or at least you learned that way. I 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.120 learned in front of all radio city music all oh no, 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.079 all right, you So you remember the night when Old 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.040 Dirty got on stage and wu tanks for the children, 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:17.079 a lot of money, a lot of money and the 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.840 the the Sway Bomb Bob Dylan Knight wasn't and Aretha 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:30.480 Franklin taking over for prop um so Erica had one 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.439 album for bobois m And we didn't realize that with 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:41.400 the non main categories, even though they even have a 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.280 pop category, with the non main categories, that there's amount 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:51.760 of goal post moving that happens and the worst. I mean, 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.280 a lot of these rules were established because of the 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:59.079 amount of samples and writers, you know, like again like 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:03.240 if if uh, I remember last year when Kanye was 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:09.160 up for him for all day, all day, like Paul 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.600 McCartney and all these other people, Like even then you're 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:19.000 only limited to uh, I think only seventeen are allowed 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.040 to officially grab one. But whatever the case was, like, 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.000 I didn't know that the people can win one award 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.920 well for when the big ones right, like album or something, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.480 Well for uh, I'm about to say, I don't want 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:39.079 to insult him by saying, Mr Kylie Jenner, Uh, Travis Scott, 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.560 I'm sorry. This is the only way I could have said. 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.199 I couldn't say it's that Rocky. I don't know. Wait, 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:46.920 I don't know if you guys been knowing, but TMZ 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.480 has been trolling asap kind of hard, like wherever he goes, 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:58.000 then they have a camera, like hey, Travis Scott, publicism 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.880 just you know, tip them off. No, literally, like the 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.719 fun of following TMZ now on social media. I know 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.760 you're off that now is watching tmz uh post up 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:15.360 another a SAP guiding movement. Yeah, it's they found something 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.080 viral that works. Okay, Yeah, so they're gonna overdo it 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.040 all right, I got it. Of course, you know TMC 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.640 the entertainment industry. But with Travis Uh, there were over 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:33.400 thirty writers for umio mode, but they have to figure 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:40.200 out the sevent um. Everybody's Sicko Mode is actually technically 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.240 four songs and Malcolm maated into one. All that publishing 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.200 you ain't getting listen. Yeah, like the Drake part of 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.440 the beginning. I know you probably never heard of single mode, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.800 No I haven't, okay exactly. The Drake part of it 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.080 was a whole another song that was done by like 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:03.000 six people. And then because well and also because someone 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.200 I don't get about modern hip hop, where even if 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.040 they give a reference to a song, has it just 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.280 turned into the literally just says give me the loop, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.600 and all of a sudden like Biggie and all this stuff. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.920 And then he made uh a tribe reference and all 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.440 of them got from that song, and then what like 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.360 a k Luke right, Yeah, I stop getting get it 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.040 or not right? So literally, literally somebody just needs to 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.920 come to all these cats, stop giving your publish in 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:34.760 a way, come up with something originally, or you're gonna 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.240 be broke for the rest of your life. It's like 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.760 a hip hop but Himan Rhapsody, but without like just 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.400 a few writers writing. Are you guys telling me like, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.480 basically hip hop is now the modern day brill building 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:52.720 even Yeah, well I'm not. I'm not. I'm talking where 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.200 you got basically just a whole bunch of people writing 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.160 ship songs written by committee. Oh no, that's exactly what 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.480 it Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah, it's very 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.480 few people you'll see that actually work by themselves with 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:09.400 small groups like everything. Whenever you hear like or whatever. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.800 check the credits. I will, but I'm just going gott 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.280 to buy the album first. So Jimmy Jimmy Jan was 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.120 basically saying, it's problematic trying to figure out which one 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:25.040 of the seventeen will get an award. The killing killing 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.240 the business, that's not no, they're killing their own business. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:38.680 Ye just fine, yeah, because they wanted that. How many 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.840 writers on the Casey mustgraz is album gonna look that up, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.200 like just okay, I didn't even get my point out. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:50.600 So my point was when Erica one yeah, and they 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.200 were like down, They're like, and I was like, but 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.360 produced this record? You one? But you didn't. Yeah. Well 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:01.000 I was headed on the stage. And then that's when 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.920 they told me afterwards that um, we would have to 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:10.720 produce yeah, because I think that's the same thing ninety seven. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.520 And then after hip hop really took over the Grammys, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:19.240 then it was like, yeah, so statues got got expensive 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.359 to produce. Huh right, right? Can I ask you all 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.400 the question? And this might not be politically correct, see 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.120 and it's Doe PJ just coming off a fresh whim, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:31.080 But was Drake right, like are the Grammys becoming not? 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.000 Well no, he's writing a lot of ways. Well I 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:39.080 think yeah. I think his point was it didn't define you, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.360 which I agree with the reason I wanted to Grammys 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.760 because all my heroes one grand it's a personal thing, 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.879 doesn't validate me. I'm still doing what I'm but are 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.960 they going not now? But I feel like maybe the 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.520 next two years is it going to be the same 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.159 status situation that it is? Absolutely? You know, what. No, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.160 I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna tell you why. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.560 Get on Wikipedia right now and type in list of 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.920 Grammy winners, and it's going to tell you how many 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.959 people have won Grammys, how many they've wanted, how many 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.320 times they've been nominated, And you're going to be disgusted 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:08.760 by some of the names you see the top, and 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.480 some of the names you see at the bottom, like 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.720 from we never won one because we like a Sealers 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.080 number one one. I think like Marley, Bob Marley number 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.360 one one, Like Marvin Gate has like what two? Yeah 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:26.560 that sexual and Beyonce have like forty like combined active. Yeah, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:32.159 just looked it up yesterday. Beyonce has like yeah, I 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.840 looked up to Wow. But seventy seven nominations, jay Z 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.720 sixties six? How many times were for guest bots on 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.639 other people's records mainly yeah, when we like when we 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:58.840 were up for Gramm sping screw Yes, I like that. Yeah, 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.520 well we were, we forest, we were nominating and we 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.640 lost and it was like okay, and then I realized 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.639 that Ashanti at one one in your category. I was 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.280 good yet one one not category. But it was just 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.080 one of those things where it's like you know what, Yeah, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.280 you can't, Like you said, you can't let it define 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.719 you can't. You know, it's just accepted for that motherfucker. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.920 That's how I tech. I'm cool with never winning one again. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.440 To be honest with you, that was a personal time out. Yeah, 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.760 time out me all right, I'm your Jacob Marley. Yeah 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.719 in the future. Yeah, you might want to be careful 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.480 with that quote. I'm just saying that it is possible. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:48.000 I don't think there's no artist on earth that's not insatiable. Yeah. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:51.720 And when I won that first Jordan you want more 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.200 then I was, I was like, cool, I'm cool with that. Well, 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.359 an example is I want I want mine in the 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.000 pretail before and I knew I was up for R 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.760 and B album on TV, but I was happy as 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.520 I could be on TV. Just like man, I don't 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.119 care if I lose. I'm probably gonna lose. But I 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.960 was this as a goal. I just I just wanted that. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.879 I do want to win more. But I'm cool that 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.400 I did that, and I'm straight never if I never 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.680 do to me Like the best Grammy story and I 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.320 don't know if it was ever confirmed, but allegedly daft Punk. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.399 When they won, sent other guys up there in the 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.360 in the suits. Yeah, and they watched. They watched from 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.040 the audience. Yeah, Like I thought that was like the 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.400 ship maybe to watch yourself get a Grammy. Like I've 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.840 seen one of those guys without this man, dude in 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.840 the purple gave you your award, right, the guy the 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:53.440 purple jacket, Jimmy was towards the end. Okay, okay, So 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.800 what was what was the feeling in your stomach when 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.280 you heard your Well, I heard tie first. That's what 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.600 they said in gentlemen, we have a tie. And I 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:03.480 was like, I was like, come on, man, so I've 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.320 been it's been ten nominations, right, So I used I 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.119 used to playing parties and stuff. What I used to 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.960 be like, hey man, we about to turn up. I 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.440 lost those. I lost those few times. I'm like, man, 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.200 we ain't. I ain't playing nothing, not this year. I 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.760 ain't playing nothing. So I'm just like when you said tie, 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.760 I'm like, oh man, what's about to happen? And it 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.920 was me and Leon Bridges. But once he said my name, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.159 so he said your name last. Yeah, he said my 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:37.040 name last. Yes. I was like and Leon, Yeah, no, 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:38.960 it was a crazy feeling. I'm gonna tell you something 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:44.520 funny about that. So my manager was in was at 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.439 Fallon the first time you sat in with us, right okay, 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.640 and he said to me, he says, yo, I'm gonna 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:58.160 tell you something. He's like, on the low the way 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.879 y'all did it on stage, you need to approach him 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.119 now and do that ship. That's just gonna be a 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.080 Grammy Award winner. This is Rich saying this, no, no, no, 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.879 this is we we we we did. How deep is 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.680 your love? And like we hooked it up? All right? 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.520 And he's like, I'm telling you now the second that 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.600 ship he called that one from my phone, like what 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:23.639 did I tell you? What did I tell you? What 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.520 did you say? I? Alright, we weren't ready even you know, 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.800 we weren't in the no, I get it the headspace 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.440 to record. Then how much different is it now? Because 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.399 I'm like, he just did it every jam. And it's 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.320 funny because it's it's weird that that song like turns 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.080 the party out, even though you know it's a it's 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:41.560 an O B G song, but it's like feel new 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:45.520 when you do something. Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's just 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.639 interesting because everything you know, somebody can remake a song, 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.600 and that don't mean everybody's gonna jam to it. But 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.760 I didn't expect that that was the last Like when 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.399 I did on the studio version, it was like last minute. 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:57.439 I knew I wanted to do a cover. I had 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.119 always tried to do a cover on albums and just 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.800 never worked out. And um, so we had a contest 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:05.560 and I was looking up songs and I looked up 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.040 the top twenty songs of all time, I think, and 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:09.879 then I saw that one. I was like, oh, I 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.280 love how deep is your love? Anyway? And I figured 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:16.040 out last minute and handed it's always the afterthoughts. It 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.200 wasn't a grand plan or not. It was just like 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:20.880 last minute cut it not even in the studio where 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.840 I did the west rest of the record, just all different. 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.480 And then we toured and I just saw how crazy 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:28.879 was going and that's why I said we had to 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.239 record it live. And then I mean, here we are. 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.200 Whose idea was it for you to collaborate with? Yeah? 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.840 But yeah, but I um, I saw her singing my 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.200 version on Instagram and I was like, that was last 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:48.520 minute too, because we're playing that basically, I'm like, who 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:52.720 is she? Why is she so fantastic? Was on Instagram? 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.000 I asked her and she was like, yeah, I'll do it. 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.040 She lived in New York. Grahams were in New York 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:04.359 last year and she came and year too. I did 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.560 it because that was before she was on it. We 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.199 recorded it that same weekend, the day before I did 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:15.679 the Rust Jam lash. Yeah, damn yeah, you all up 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:17.200 in this story because if you think about I was 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.080 doing the mathterday and I was just doing my my 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.560 PJA research and I was saying, I saw that Adam 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.040 Blackstone kind of introduced you to the Room five, and 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.400 I was like, well, that's that's your our first day. 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.960 That that that's how we are. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Yeah. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.520 So for those who don't know the background story, I 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:40.800 guess after I'm plugged with jay Z, then everyone else 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:43.960 starts calling like put my band together, and Eminem and 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.240 pauling them call said put our band together, YadA, YadA, YadA, 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:51.879 And by that point we had just started failing. So 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.440 I couldn't the attention that I gave jay z s 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.600 band I couldn't do for everyone else because now I 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.480 quote have a day job, so I I gave that 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:05.120 to Adam Blackstone. So Adam had hit me up, Adam Levine, 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:14.200 Hi Levine Vine because wait, no, no, no, no, it's 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:19.479 only because I because a few months ago on folon Avril, 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:25.679 Levine was on the show. You said opposite of that, right, Okay, 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:30.840 so it's Levine, Adam Levin, Yes, hit me up about uh, 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:38.399 advil Levine? Is that? Sorry? Adam? Adam hit me up 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:42.320 about uh putting their show together, and I was like, 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.920 you want me to put a Room five show together? 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.200 And I agreed, but they're not. You know, someone's like, yo, dude, 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:51.920 just take Adam with you, have them carry the weight 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.800 and just be out there to babysitting. YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.320 So that day that we came out, that was your 0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.679 first day with him. That was yeah, after I had 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.919 add and my first rehearsal was the day you were 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.639 in there. I had had that video of you like 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.200 playing this love to show him a different groove to 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.320 this love. It's kind of weird, like I didn't want to. 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.399 So I was. I was brand new. We were all 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.159 brand new. So me and Adam Blackstone, you had just 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.680 brought him in and he brought me in and so 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.000 we were that was so I'm known black I don't 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:28.080 know forever. I don't even know where we met. It's 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.720 like Franklin Bridge days. And I knew him when he 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.400 was in Franklin Bridge, so it was probably before then. 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:43.680 I don't remember how we met. Maybe he was remember no, no, no, 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:46.560 it was a TV show on ABC that did a 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:52.440 national Battle of the band. It was like bands. Oh wow, 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.840 okay about that. I don't know Blackstone just kind of 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.080 as far as I remember, Like, I don't remember meeting him. 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.359 I didn't met all those Philly guys that want was 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:08.399 the tie and those guys all the band show. No, 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:18.200 it's a small world. Yeah, so you you were born 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.680 in New Orleans, born and raised? Okay, we're part I was, 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.920 uh grew up in the East. I'm confused because I 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.040 lived there. Now I moved back, but I grew up 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.800 in the East. My whole life New Orleans eas So 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:36.040 what are the can you describe for most? For me? So? 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.600 So East, I guess in the eighties was considered like 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:43.639 the new town, like New New Orleans and um so 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.760 like I had where I grew up doesn't didn't really 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.520 look like up. It doesn't look like New Orleans in 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:51.520 that way. I had a palm tree in the front 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.280 of mine. It was like they made it like the 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.760 New suburbs, right, So that's where I grew up. There's 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.640 also a rough part of the East, which is why 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.720 the Katrina took them forever. It took like eight years 0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:05.480 for them to even start to work on New Orleans 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.639 eas But um, I grew up in the East. Then 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.840 you have Uptown, which is where my dad's church was, 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.200 And then you have Downtown, which is kind of where 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.960 the super Dome is and Convention Center and all that stuff. 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.159 So away from when tourists come there, of course, we 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:24.040 come to the French Quarter. Yeah, that's downtown. So is 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.920 that the equivalent of you hanging out? Like? Not really, 0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:32.240 that's I mean low key Bourbon Street is that? But 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.879 the French Quarters. What I love about New Orleans is 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.440 kind of like the Tories. The stuff overlaps with the 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:43.200 real stuff like that, where are you hanging? Um? I 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.440 mean I'll go down there. Are you holding a wall? Guy? 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.400 Are you like? But I'll go and play and listen 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.880 att on Frenchman Street. I'll listen to music on Frenchman Street. 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.280 I never go to Bourbon. Should you do Frenchman mayor? 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:56.360 Is that a bourbon? Because that's what I was told 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.480 to by New Orleans natives, like if you're gonna do 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.640 a street inversion, I mean I rarely do bourbon. Yeah, 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.560 I mean bourbon is a sitist. I do it when 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:09.040 people are visiting, you know what I'm saying, because it 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.239 is something to see that that is on. I mean, 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.880 it could be a random Wednesday night, you know, and 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.560 it's full, it's packed, just like like it is during 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.160 Marty Grass something, you know. So as far as like 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.320 seeing bands and are there still an abundant especially in 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:30.040 the wake of Katrina? Uh, which okay, I guess we're 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:35.440 years thirteen years later. Um, are there still an abundance 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.000 of musicians and band members there? Because I know that 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.400 there was a mass exodus. Oh yeah, a lot of 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.800 people got out. But there's a there's a new generation 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.680 now too of musicians and it's a bunch of it's 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:48.800 it's still a bunch of musicians. Now, how are they 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:54.000 with tradition? Um, the young guys, I mean they still 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:55.600 have to play in the quarters, they still have to 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.560 come up there, so it's almost like they go through 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.880 that little school of all right, I gotta know how 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:02.440 to do a shuffle, or I gotta know how to 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.720 do a second line be you know, because you have 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.080 to come through there to get to you can't really 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.760 skip that step unless you play in church, you know. 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.240 And even still when you want to go from Chi, 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.160 I just was lucky enough to leave and go to 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.760 school and start to write and stuff. But if you 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.560 want to stay a musician in New Orleans, you kind 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.840 of gotta go through that scene and play on bourbon 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.080 and stuff. Because I don't know if any place in 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.360 the United States or even the world that hanks so 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:34.000 tight to a tradition, probably Second Broadway. It's probably the 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.920 only other culture I know that's so stuck or like 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:43.040 post tim pan Alley, you know, Gercewin era jazz that 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.400 that I would love to just pry their hands off 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.960 of and have them start a new But yeah, that's 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.240 what I'm about since I've been back home too, you know. 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:57.800 But how is is New Orleans a place where some 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.360 people feel as though we need to eve of Like 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.800 are there people that just start straight bounces as a musician, 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.760 like I'm gonna start with or even now bounce is 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:10.720 like tradition. I mean the idea of Drake doing fifth 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:15.720 word webby type songs, yes, is old old school. So 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:22.400 you know, is there any space for trap culture in Yeah, 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.320 it's a brand new way. It's a brand new wave 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.640 in New Orleans. Now. Um of artists that I'm seeing 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.960 that are totally I mean they respect that history and 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.040 know it. But I think what I've been preaching since 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.880 and I've been back home three years, and um, kind 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.480 of what started me off Buddy Bolden's house, who is 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.440 attributed as the originator of jazz music, right, like Louis 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.800 Armstrong credits King Oliver, Buddy Bolden. Yeah, see I thought 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:51.280 King Oliver's right, he's King Oliver credits bit Buddy Bolden. Right, 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.240 So they say Buddy is that he lost his mind 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.920 when he was like twenty six and and and and 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.160 lived his life in a hospital in a hospital for 0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:01.960 the rest of his life. But we the house is 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.520 like ten steps from my dad's church, and after Katrina 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:09.480 the my family bought up all the real estate around there, 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:13.320 not knowing that they bought Buddy Bolden's house, his childhood home. 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.200 I didn't know who Buddy Bolden was until I moved 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.560 back home, and they were like, Yo, we're about to 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.400 do something with this house. And people were coming from 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:24.760 Europe and lining up and making pilgrimages to to this place. 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:26.800 And we didn't know what it was. And when I 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.840 got home, you know, um, but it made me start 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:33.160 to like think about that history. And I think that 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.400 New Orleans and the reason I left, the reason why 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.560 a lot of us leave, is because we focused so 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.680 much on jazz, jazz, jazz, like we started this, this 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.800 is what and and I think what needs to be 0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.320 more focused on with New Orleans is innovation. Right. It 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.560 was Buddy saying, I know y'all playing Dixie, and this 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.080 is how I want to play my horn, and it's 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.120 gonna be different from everybody else. And that's what created that. 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.520 That's what created Bounce, was us not caring New Orleans 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.640 could just a bubble in that way, was like, I 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.280 don't it was on the radio, I don't care what 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.000 this is our what we're doing. But I think that 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:08.240 is what makes us special, not the actual thing, not jazz, 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.200 not bounced, but the not caring, right, and the gift 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.239 of that and the innovation of that. So I think 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:17.480 a lot of the generation now and the and the 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.800 generation coming up they're thinking that way. But it's still 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.040 that same I don't care attitude. I mean, you still 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.840 have the I mean I would say that the not 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:36.440 necessarily the entire Marcella's family, but definitely is head, headstrong, purist. Yeah, 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.959 but he's also not in New Orleans. It hasn't been 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.800 for a very long time. You know, uh, more New 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.120 York than anything. Yeah. Yeah, he been in New York 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.400 for a very long time. So I'm saying, as far 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.760 as the scene is going, that's that's cool, And that's 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.680 what happened, by the way, like that jazz went came 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.800 to New York and the jazz we know now is 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.560 that right? Our jazz turned into R and B and 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.200 like Fats you know, in rock and so like that. 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:05.320 That's the extension of us more than preaching jazz is 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:06.880 how we know it now, you know. So are there 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:11.440 funk bands that we're in the tradition of the meters? Like, 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.799 are there still people that I don't really? Not? Not really. 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.440 I mean you got like Galactic. I was gonna say 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:22.480 Galactic it take the jam band, yeah sort of thing. 0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:28.200 So Galactic is now the the steady groove, that's the 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.080 standard funky jam band type thing. Yeah, if you're if 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:38.160 you're a musician in New Orleans. Um, and let's say, 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.680 how were you when you first started? I was like eight, Okay, 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:47.000 So what's the first thing that you're taught? Is it 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.800 a boogie woogie? Like, what's the what's the what's the 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.120 top five? Like stuff that has to be in your 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:56.000 DNA or for you get respect by. So to me, 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.040 it was like two different worlds, right. I didn't. I 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.800 didn't really get into that French court of world until 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.480 I was older. My dad was I was. It was 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.680 all church for me. That's where all my music came from. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.239 I'm a preacher's kid. Your father must have a rather 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.480 large church, right, because your father is very known in 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.399 the community, correctly. Yeah. Pre Katrina, we had like twenty members, 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.080 So it was like a huge church. Brought up a 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:26.320 lot of said, you brought a lot of property. I want, yeah, 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.000 but but yeah, so my my dad was kind of 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:32.000 like the premier church you know in New Orleans pre Katrina, 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.080 and that brought through a lot. But my dad's from Windsor. 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.799 My dad's from Canada, right, so he and his father 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.719 was a huge pastor. The first pastor to have a 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.400 church in Detroit and to have a church in and Canada, 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.040 so that connection. My dad grew up with the Clark's 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.359 sisters in the Windings and all of them. So when 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.960 he when he came to New Orleans and started a church, 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:56.759 he brought musicians from there. My my heroes were like 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.840 this guy Joey Britain from Detroit and guys like that 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.040 that he brought down. So the flavor was totally different 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.719 in our church than outside of the honest so I 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.200 was I came up with. I didn't get the New 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.600 Orleans training early, and it's probably why I was so different. 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.439 You know. Ellis Marcelle's wanted me to saw me play 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.600 when I was like ten or twelve and wanted me 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:18.680 to go to NOCA, but I wanted to go to 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.000 this high school saying, oh you know what I'm saying 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:22.960 that was known for his margin band. So I was 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:26.440 a little different, which is kind of why I always 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.320 felt out of place kind of growing up. You know, 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.719 it was like I'm not really that New Orleans guy 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.880 in that way. How lenient as a PK. How lenient 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:40.480 were your family on music outside secular music? Yeah, it 0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.920 was it was it was strict, strict, yeah, it was. 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.759 It was a balance because my dad was from Detroit, like, 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.440 I mean, he loved Anita, he loved certain things right, 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.360 and my dad was a singer and a real musician 0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.920 in that way. So he always appreciated the Stevis and stuff, 0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:00.000 you know. He tell me stuff. Yeah, my uncle played 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.400 on some early some old town things back then. I 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.160 used to play for cl Franklin right, so like, and 0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:08.399 they tell me stories of Stevie coming in and doing 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.320 a show at the church, you know. So it was 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.239 always a line. I remember we couldn't listen to the 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:17.719 secondar stuff on Sundays, but but you know, it was 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.640 only gospel music on Sundays. But they were pretty I 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:25.359 mean I listened to Michael Jackson growing up and even strict. Yeah, 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.440 it wasn't crazy like that. I think his childhood was 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:33.320 so strict I was. Yeah, and what your people like 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:35.040 you said, he was from Canada, so where y'all people 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:36.760 always I don't know why. I always think the Canadian 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.920 black foles have like a lot of Island influence on 0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.319 them and whatnot. But were they yeah, I think there 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.239 was some with my grandparents, well not my grandmother. She 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.680 was like from Missouri. So they both passed away. Before 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:48.880 they passed away, my dad his father when he was 0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.000 twelve and his mother when he was nineteen, so way 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:56.840 before me. But I think my grandfather had some West Indiana, Missouri. 0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:02.560 They went up. Yeah, he found her somewhere. They found 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:07.840 each other somewhere. Yeah. So he your father was initially 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.560 preaching up in the d and then yeah, so he 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.759 why why what was this decision to come down to? 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.799 He said, God told him to move to New Orleans. 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.880 That's that's the only reason I've heard. And he said 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:24.239 he went and did a revival in Cleveland, and when 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.000 when he knew it was time for him to move, 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.200 and somebody stole all of his clothes out of his 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.960 car and everything. And he said, after he got robbed, 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:36.440 he moved. That's that's when he finally moved. Yeah, my 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:50.680 dad's got it's a crazy story. Yeah, because Hap with 0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:55.000 Trek and Michelle first moved to brought their sprawling Uh 0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:00.480 they would house it everything. Yeah, Tike came home and 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.719 packed all of the ship like me and to go 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.200 to pull the opposite each other. So every outfits reet 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.880 weears like worth like billion dollars, so you know, it 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.560 was like first day of school for like all of 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.040 his good clothes. He's he's packing his car, his Porsche 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:16.920 of ball things like he's packing off his stuff in 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:21.480 the car and like four, I guess four in the morning, 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.919 Like someone just came and took all of two weeks 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.239 skills out of his car, out of the car. A 0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:28.640 lot of people ate off of him clothes, you know 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:34.719 that a lot of people smoke. It's almost like it's 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.719 almost like I think he wanted to stay an extra 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.439 week before that, you know that coming to American scene 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:55.960 where like stop let them stress ten thous dollar e vs. Jeans. 0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.880 I know it was you, uh but yeah, no, he 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.680 said God told him to go and he didn't know 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.960 anybody in New Orleans. He said his first job was 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.439 like he was like a gas attendant around the church 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.439 and one of the guys invited him to the church. 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:19.759 What is the time span from that to ye maybe 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.080 six or something is when he got to New Orleans 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.560 something like that, and it was, um, I don't know, 0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.880 it was up to twenty by the time before Katrina 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.320 so oh four. Were you a part of your father's 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:36.000 music outreach or were you part of the gospel. Yeah, 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.800 I was like the music director for a while until 0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:43.280 I went to college and the choice. Um yeah, actually 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.160 that's what my friends were. My friends, my musician form 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.680 my drumma right now is still is the guy that 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.879 I used to play with. So for me and my church, 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.040 it was fun and the music and my friends was 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.319 all I needed. You know, I was a preacher's kids. 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.600 I was doing what I was doing. Whatever I was doing, 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.959 I was have been fine, but that was my source. Really. 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:04.919 Like I said, I wasn't on this New Orleans scene. 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.080 So all my musician friends were in church. See that. Okay, 0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:12.080 Now it makes sense because I didn't know this backstory. See, 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.880 whenever it's jam session time or when you sit in 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:18.720 with us, it's always well, you know, like we always 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.960 go there and do these right, get the gospel, go 0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:26.320 straight church. That's why it's it's fun and authentic to 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.960 do that with for sure, because that's why I get 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.879 it when you when you say it. So any of course, 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.240 I think I don't know if there's any soul singer 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:41.200 alive that doesn't long to do a gospel record, But yeah, 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:44.160 is that in your future eventually? No, you know what 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:48.360 I started out as a songwriter, and so I've written 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.680 gospel songs for people that have done well. Like I 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.919 wrote this big gospel song called let Go Let God, 0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.440 this guy Dwayne was did and it was like seventy 0:41:56.480 --> 0:42:00.160 two weeks in the top ten. So um, I want 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:03.680 to yeah, like a Stellar Awards, maybe a Dove. Um. 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:08.120 But if I do anything, it'll be like my songbook 0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.120 and other artists singing. But I don't. I have no 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:14.080 desire to do a gospel record at all. No. I 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:18.360 feel like my my soul, my r and stage a 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.839 couple months ago. Yeah. But but but but we were 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:23.920 doing my song sticking to my guns, you know what 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.759 I'm saying. Like, I feel like when when Stevie wanted 0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:30.440 to to talk about God, then he just did, right, 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.160 then I have to go and make a gospel record 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.200 to do it. And that's that's kind of my That's 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.600 what kind of with Marvin. If he wanted to reference 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.319 God to talk about guy Donnie, you felt even if 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.400 he wasn't talking about God, it felt like church. So 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.440 I get that same thing, whatever that is that you 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:48.520 want from that. One of the things I really like, 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.879 like my how I first got onto you, I mentioned 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.359 in my road call My Home girl. Carlita Durrant. She's 0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.120 a young singer. She's in uh from Durham. And so 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.320 she we were this is man, this is like a 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.560 decade ago, it's like teen years ago. She was like, yo, 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.439 um you up on p J. Morton. I was like nah, 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:06.040 I was like the preacher. She's like, no, this's his daddy, 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:07.840 like his dad, he has a son. I was like, 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.200 oh ship. Yes. So she was like, um. So she 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:11.880 played me the first thing I heard of yours. It 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.600 was it was a live show and you ended with 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:20.080 the cheers things where everybody yeah, like dude, but he 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:24.359 does it like he turns. Yeah. Oh god. She was like, yo, 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.560 you gotta hear him. He got three background scenes to 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.839 sound just like him. And so we played this ship 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.320 and so I could hearing you. Now I could understand 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:35.279 how to find the church and whatever you see the 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.200 same feeling, it gives me the same whatever that is. 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.040 You know what I'm saying, um, which is why I 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.160 just never say I would never say, Okay, now here's 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.560 the gospel record. It's like, now it would be sprinkled 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:48.080 in there. If I want to go there, you gotta 0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.000 find it. You gotta get to it. Let me find 0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.719 you rather. What's the name of the gospel choir your 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:57.000 dad's church? Um? What was great to St. Stephen's Mass choir? Okay? 0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.920 Did they have records and some records? Yeah, my dad 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:04.239 had some records, like Your Tears was a big song 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.480 that he did. Let It Rain was later on, but 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.080 that was a big song. It was like purple Rain 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:14.000 and Okay, how do we hear this gospel version of 0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.359 cheers out of here? Um? I saw on his record 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.320 I did called Live in l A. Yeah, where everybody 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.480 knows as Yeah, but it felt that that's the way 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:26.080 we ended the shows for like eight years or something. 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:31.840 There was a period we I think we ended we 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.360 stopped doing it. One time I did it, Samuel Jackson 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.120 was in the audience and he was looking like huh. 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.040 And then I think we dropped I think what term 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.319 and just started doing like TV themes at the end. Yeah. 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.719 I did it in Europe or Asia and they were 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:51.880 looking like I was like, I don't want to do 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.160 it anymore. That's what kind of stopped me from doing it. 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.120 Just shout out to the jazzy because I used that's 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:57.480 how they used to close their set at the Black 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:03.240 Lily every Tuesday. Oh really yeah, really yeah, they didn't 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.120 tell was that you was on what they gonna tell you? 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.240 I wonder where they got that idea. Who did it first? Question? 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:17.120 Who did it first? Gary Portnoy did it? I got 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:22.359 that forty five. Yeah, that's like, that's such a good song. Yeah, 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.600 I love that song. I'm trying to figure out if 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:28.240 there's a full album that, like a Gary Portnoy album. 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:30.520 I never did the verse, but I love the verse. Wait, 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:34.719 Gary port knew there's two verses in the real Yeah, 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:45.680 I've heard it. Yeah, Steve song, Yeah song, I like 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:49.000 when you sing alone. Shout out to Gary Portnoy. You 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.480 know he doesn't he doesn't get enough nobody talks about 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.080 I know, man, did he spend his check? But he 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.040 did he write that song? Or did he just sing it? 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.239 I don't really know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:03.719 you acted like you knew Steve would know the history 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:05.719 of it. But I'm just being honest. Oh yeah, no, 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.360 I don't. I don't know he wrote it along with 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:12.399 Judy hart Angelo. Well, since you're one of the few 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:18.399 or first leaders of a gospel choir church, I gotta 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:21.520 know how how how First of all, what's the membership? 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:27.719 What's the size? And yes, um, and I don't know. 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:34.120 I was, I was young. I don't visually maybe people 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:39.080 that's my worst nightmare. Yeah, I mean I already shaky 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.200 as an empty of my own situation that I actually created. 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:47.480 But how how are you able to maintain the respect 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.399 and the attention of over two hundred people? Now, I've 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.920 seen it that I never so as music director I was, 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:54.800 it was just banned. I didn't I never had to 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:59.880 deal with choir members. That's a whole that was never 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.680 about to be my jam. Yeah. No, I've seen that. 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.600 We've seen the wrangle the choir members and stuff. But no, 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:10.879 it was always the band. Okay, So I don't know. Yeah, 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.160 Now you went when when did you go to the house? Um? 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:18.480 I went nine graduating? No three, that's the one thing. 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.120 We were almost almost classmates. What is that the house? 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.359 I almost went there? You almost went there almost? Now 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:31.000 I went there to classes. Wait, I want some spelling knights, 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:32.880 And where would you go? No, you didn't go to 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:37.839 spelling I'm just saying, no, she just went to more house. 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:43.359 I love. I was saying I had some spelling knights 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.280 in my class. I didn't have any Clark students. Okay, alright, 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:47.839 well I did you over there? I was over there. 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.520 I did some Spellman's ones too. You might as well 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.640 paying for it. It's when Spike was on the show. 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:56.560 We didn't get into it. But what what is it 0:47:56.719 --> 0:48:00.600 like at Morehouse? And was it? Is it as prestidges 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.920 as it's as the folklore of it, I'll say that 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:08.160 it it does instill some pride, like you know so 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.560 so so when I was in New Orleans growing up 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:12.919 and I was the flat preacher's kid, right who could 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.000 play and all of that, um, it was like one 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.120 of me kinda right. Then you go to more House 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:23.840 and you know what I'm saying, and it shows you like, okay, 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.680 well I'm not alone in that, and it it kind 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:29.959 of demands you to want to have a certain level 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:33.120 uh and some of the history there and the way 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.320 they teach you about that history and make sure you 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.440 know it, um, you know, and who went there too, 0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.360 you know from the mL case y'all lifted up a 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:45.000 mail more House man like and make sure that pride 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.880 is there. Um. So whatever you do after that, and 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.359 you at least you have that. You know what I'm saying. Really, yeah, 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:53.319 don't you don't get mad like I do when those 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:58.960 alumni emails come through and you're like, no, where I 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.440 went to me? I went to a small state school Indiana, 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.160 but only because they paid for everything. So that's what 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:08.600 was where I went to Flying the Central University, graduated 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:16.239 in oh one Steve, the University of Maryland, Yes, Clark 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.920 and Morgan State. Damn, I'm the only motherfucker college. But 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:28.160 every time, all right, O, man, I want to go 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.120 to college. Man, they give you a degree, you know, 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:32.480 they just give you one. We had to go there, 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:36.359 and it's true, it's I'm sure you've been offered many. 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:40.320 I just got my degree from Princeton University and what 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:45.799 back back in February without going to one class I've taught. Yes, 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:47.959 I got my honor so you can call me doctor 0:49:48.080 --> 0:50:00.200 Love now. Yeah, I'm doctor Love now. Congratulations. Weird in enough. 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.719 They want me to teach there and give lectures there, 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.720 but you know, I don't know if I could actually 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.040 have the jobs to that's certificate. But you don't keep 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:14.680 that in the bathroom. In the bathroom, keep everything in 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.359 the bathroom. I gave out the plone with my MoMA. 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:19.120 I gave it. I just I've never even seen mine. 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.160 I don't know where mine is. That's fun, mine's box stuff. 0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:28.440 I'll sell your mine. Got to love. No, But I'm 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:33.160 just saying that from watching, from watching a different world, 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:41.600 and you know how sure, yeah, that's that's not but 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.520 it was. It was fun man, and and it's your people. 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:49.439 And so the whole school days and all that wasn't 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.480 a thing much more Greeks against you, goddamn individuals g 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.520 D I s. So in that way, that's what we 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:57.279 called ourselves. I was a g D. I was you 0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:58.719 not a g D I Bill, I know you was 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:00.440 a g D. I I was, but I never heard 0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:05.399 that term. I'm mad. I didn't hear in twenty years. Yeah, yeah, 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.560 he had an album. Yeah, I never wait, he was 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:11.719 real not he was real? He was a real No. 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.920 I know, I just saved me find me when they 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:18.760 asked me what I was pledging as I also remember 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:21.000 Mousa moved, but that's because I watched too much BT 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:26.160 back into the college hits from the streets and when 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.200 he went around in the he went to Howard and 0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:30.719 when I went to high school, he's working the store 0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:32.880 across street was over there, and he would entertain us. 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.600 He was funny. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't have the I 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:37.400 mean we had the for terms of course, but I 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.080 mean I played football, so I turned. It wasn't g 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.600 D it was it was severe play football in college. Yeah, 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.359 my first time. Yeah, I didn't wanna do that ship. 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:51.960 I was tired. He gave a job. Like, nigga, you 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.239 like that ship is your life, Like you were on 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.520 a football scholarship. No, no, no, I was on academic 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.400 scholarship and then I just walked on the team. And 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.120 so hey, guys, okay, yeah, yeah, that's the thing in 0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.160 college football, like they don't really well, at least at 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:08.040 our school. You didn't really make cuts, so to speak. 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.160 So like if your grades was on point, you could 0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:12.000 come out for the team. But by the time you 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:17.120 get through workouts, between injuries, between niggas, that's ineligible. Somebody 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.000 didn't got his girlfriend pregnant by the end of the 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:23.000 summer workouts, some space, that's who left. You can make it. 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.480 It's like it's like you made it. You on the team. 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:29.959 You didn't quit, you didn't you didn't flunk out whatever. 0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:32.239 So yeah, that it was crazy. So we just call 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.120 people civilians, like if you didn't playing like when I stopped, 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.680 when I stopped playing ball, all the boys like, you're 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.919 about to go live civilian life like Seville, Like that's 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.680 what it was. So between civilian life and the AUC 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.400 and then the whole hierarchy of the Moorhouse Spellman Clark 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:48.279 and then at the time Morris Brown wasn't there when 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.880 you were there. I think it was on its way out. Okay, 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:53.000 So yeah, that was a whole. That was a thing too, 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:54.600 a little thing, but not as much as it was 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:57.439 on the movie. Because my first girlfriend went to Mars Brown. 0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:01.440 Good for you, I jumped over freshman a year. Freshman year. 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:05.560 You brought her outside? What does that mean? She was 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:11.520 outside of What does that mean? Because I tell him 0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:14.000 the phrase, PJ. You what you married a spellman? You know, 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.960 don't you know? The phrase you married the whole phrase? 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:21.239 But but basically, yeah, unfortunately, there was a hierarchy. You 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:23.399 married Calman girl, you cheat on her with the Clark 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.120 girl and then the Morris Brown one, you know, the 0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:38.200 moors Browns to jump off. Yeah, wow, you brought her outside? Yeah, 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:45.200 I will say unfortunately to to help the stereotype, the stereotype. 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.520 She just had to come to Morris Brown for the 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.320 first semester because the spell and stuff was late, and 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:53.080 then she went second semester spelling. So you cheated. That 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.480 ain't a real more brown girl. Hey that I was 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:57.800 over there on that campus and it was like what 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.920 you're doing over you know that what I'm doing over there? 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.239 They locked the gates spellman in like eight o'clock a night. 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.239 So that's the thing. So that's the thing. So in 0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:11.759 the black straight up, I mean, because I remember you're 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:16.160 in the Bible Belt. So coed visitation is like that's 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:17.759 like a thing. So what you would have to do, 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.560 like in our dorm in Chile, like you would have 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:23.279 to sign in your guests, but like niggas never wanted 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.560 to sign in because you don't want other people. Yeah, 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.000 so you could just sneak a john on the side 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.239 or whatever, like you sneak joints in. And so the 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:33.800 first sign like we came and we went to the 0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.200 first time we parted at you and see Carolina Chapel Hill, 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.080 which is like the big white school like fifteen twenty 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.279 minutes down the road, and like we saw how they 0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:44.920 lived over there how like it was like two girls. 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.240 It's like four girls in a suite and it's just open. 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:53.880 Just come. Is you different? Way different? No? No, no 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:56.160 she was because the thing was like she was. It 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.960 was she was black, but like she had like white 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.000 home girls and ship. But the thing was like Central. 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.000 So I guess the hierarchy, the whole hierarchy in the 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:12.560 triangle was, I guess you marry a duke nigga, if 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.160 you could get one, you catch you can catch your 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:19.839 duke because he got this white girl. If you get 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.560 your dukee nigga. But like, but like Central, we had 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:25.600 the reputation for just being just cool and like we 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:28.799 was just niggas, like just so like all the chicken 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:30.200 they like they used to funk with us because we 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.200 just didn't care. So we go to Carolina, like you know, 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.759 we're like many digs corny, Like we used to take 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:41.560 all they hold but their food in their good cafeteria. Right, 0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:46.440 different countries, being representative ship they had when you got 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:50.359 to the white school. Because I have friends that went 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:52.040 to white had a friend and went to w and 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:53.840 have a friend and with the pits around in California 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:57.160 and that life was just like it opened my I 0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.320 was like like one of my boys, Like he moved 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.239 in over the he was like living with a girl 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:03.800 in the house that was the dorm Aeron house. Like 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:06.239 he was Damn, I'm like, nigga, where you being? You 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:13.080 know what I manto And this is pre Instagram, pre 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.520 like fake soul. Ain't no track in your moves, man. 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:19.600 But I would not trade I can and I'm sure PJ. 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.440 I'm sure I would not trade my black college experience, 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:25.520 no way nothing. It was so good. And if you 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.000 got caught where this was the rumor, if you got 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.440 caught leaving Spellman's campus too late, they the security had 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:35.279 rubber bullets ship so you would have to run like 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:38.480 it was Vietnam duty. I never experienced it, but that 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:40.799 was the that was the folklore. They put them tricks 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:46.000 on pedestals too, but they was always falling off. Still better, 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:52.439 that's that's now. Benett was like that too, and well 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.800 now they've saved. Been in college in Greensboro. But I 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:57.600 grew up down the street from Bennett, and it was 0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:59.279 the same thing. Like if you saw a Benet girl 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:03.200 the eight lots at a certain time and you gotta 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.839 get up back didn't get a clock girl any time 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:10.400 of the day we're here. Yeah, they like girls. Clode 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.239 girls were cool, though. I like cloth girls because they 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:17.800 were used to the guys being around. It wasn't too crazy. 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.440 They were always a little more chill. All right, So now, 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:23.960 all right, I always wanted to do this question, no, 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:30.480 because for from an outsider point of view, especially going 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:33.960 to Atlanta a lot in the nineties and which booty 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:38.280 clubs were, Like, yeah, you know, it was the thing 0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:41.240 to do, but I also know that there's a certain 0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.480 amount of bawling you have to do in order to 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:53.800 do that. But on ya, every fun out on the 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:57.800 college level, like how is that possible? Like house the 0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.600 spelling in a different world? The rich suck a mirror, 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:03.320 like I transferred from Morgan State, right, I'm telling you 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.080 right now. When I walked on that campus, I was 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.520 like what fun freshmen were like BMW's and Benzses and 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:11.360 ship like you see, his daddy had twenty thousand people 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:12.960 in the congregation and he was the broke one in 0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:17.320 the Like alright, Well, I was a musician already, so 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:22.280 I was working myself, so I did alright, Uh, but 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.080 but I wasn't a big on strip. So I was 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.320 trying to I was a nerd in the censeer. I 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.440 didn't mean. I'm just saying that the things that I 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:34.440 know Atlanta for is falsely culture is concerned. I mean 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:38.400 I kind of think that in order to really experience 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:41.600 the Atlanta that's always shown to me in TV and 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:45.120 movies and videos, you always gotta I'm and I'm being 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:49.080 very I'm trying to be those guys. You need two 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:52.480 d really my mind, I'm thinking, yeah, you need about 0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:56.200 seven thousand dollars too. I don't want you to make 0:58:56.240 --> 0:59:01.760 fun of Mese. Not a magic sitting listen. I never 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:05.560 had it, those dudes. That's why I should tell people, PJ, 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.640 why are you paying for dance when the dude beside 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:09.600 you was right there with the chick, just look like, 0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:12.680 go ahead, man yourself. And then Atlanta at that time, 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.440 because this is when when I was there, Trip club 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.800 culture was like really starting to pop. It wasn't all 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.240 the wait at his head, but it was like really 0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:24.440 starting to pop. And them dudes, I couldn't understand it. 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.520 They won't even be looking at the chicks like it's 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.680 a status thing. I guess, but I could never wrap 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:31.640 my head around it, and I'm like, I like money 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:38.960 too much, but they just talk throwing. I'm like, it's 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:42.600 it's a networking thing. Like it's almost like yeah, it's yeah, 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:44.200 like you don't I mean, you go for the women 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:47.680 are there, but it's almost they're just like decorations. But yeah, accessories. 0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:49.600 I mean I got that when I went with my 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:51.840 friends and and we would just be hanging out for 0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.080 birthday or something. But I don't know this dudes that 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:56.920 did that a lot, you know what I'm saying, And 0:59:56.960 --> 0:59:59.000 I'm like, man, I don't have it like that the 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.680 first time. I when when like make it ring culture 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:04.800 is like really just starting to the point where they 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:11.000 keep they would keep score of I think, ah, what 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.560 is everybody in the club getting tipsy? What was right? 1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:17.360 He was the chance like they keep a high score. 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:21.680 I guess the point is that who can throw. Well, 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:25.960 it wasn't that it was based on It was based 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:29.840 on when the last dollar would drop to the floor 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:35.480 and then they would stop the climate. Right And after 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:37.600 a while what's his name took me, Chris Robinson took 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.240 me and I said, yo, I said, they're not They're 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:44.360 not you know, he was still doing outcast videos or whatever. 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:47.680 But at one point I was like, wait a minute, 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:49.360 why do I get the feeling that they're not even 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:52.600 paying attention to that said, yeah, they're not, like they're 1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:56.360 not here to trick off of the women or whatever. 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.959 They're here basically to let each other know my money 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.720 stronger than yours. At the time I was there, it 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:06.840 was Chuck. I guess it was a I a I 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:11.160 versus and I forget who. It's some football player or whatever. 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:18.640 There was a bank in the basement. It wasn't Magic City, 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:21.480 but it was like whatever is whatever it was popping 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:26.880 in two thousand and five. It wasn't this the other 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:29.240 one I remember that. I think that was the first 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:31.400 one I went to making certificate, getting certificates of the 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.640 posts after right, No, it was it was it was 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:39.640 just like players Club, like some some they gave them, 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.120 they gave them whatever, and then they came they will 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:49.320 back a big gass uh will barrow of like twenties here. 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.320 So here's the thing. So AI threw his his his 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:56.960 drawings up right and they fell down. One of those 1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:01.360 twenties wins right between my afro pick in my afro. 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:06.200 I swear to God, I literally and the guy the 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:11.560 guards stopped me. I'll get that for you, and wow, 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:15.680 because that's her money, dude, b it was you know 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:19.560 how slippery a cheesecake factory is, like with all the 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:24.480 oil on the ground. Why are you laughing? Have you 1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:32.480 ever walked in a cheesecake factory only with you? It 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:37.040 is noted. I think that. Look, listeners, if you listen 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:39.440 out there, please verify. And he gets this far in 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:45.920 this conversation. Deep down, I'm telling you cheesecake factories have 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:50.920 the slippery ist marble floor. That the collection of grease, 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:54.400 the collective grease on the floor. It's like ice skating. 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.600 It's like a lawsuit waiting to happen. And I'm still 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:03.160 going to spot I mean you godamn anyway, Yeah, you 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:04.800 can't get out of there with nothing less than like 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:10.960 two thousand colors, like like it was in the Eat 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.800 this dot net Eat This not that book and like 1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:16.880 I bought and they were just like basically like never 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:19.840 eat here. Yeah. They was like, yo, this is a 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:24.840 never and she can't get to it because after you finished, 1:03:25.040 --> 1:03:29.080 you're done. Yeah, the portion size is a huge, But 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:32.760 the point my point was that My point was that 1:03:34.280 --> 1:03:38.320 a half hour after making it rain. It's just literally 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:43.000 just twenties on the ground and um. But then just 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:45.920 like the Players Club movie, like someone presses a green 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:48.479 button and then all of a sudden, like twenty people 1:03:48.520 --> 1:03:52.920 coming out with with uh brooms and dust pans and 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:56.640 garbage bags and put the money inside. So then how 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:59.920 do they so, how did they determine who gets the twenties? 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:03.720 Like how it's a trust system. There's one club that 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:08.520 I know of in which the owner actually pays them. 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:14.600 I think their system is more like a like a contractor. Yeah, yeah, 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:19.200 it's a contracted thing. Um, and there's a pre arranged 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:23.360 thing so like none of the tips have a minimum. Yeah, 1:04:23.760 --> 1:04:29.440 so wow, that was a major rabbit might be the 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:37.520 most random rabbit hole of history. Slippery cheesecake back. I 1:04:37.560 --> 1:04:39.160 looked that up on Google and a lot of people 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:42.920 ask the same question about the floor. It is noted 1:04:43.400 --> 1:04:48.520 that Cheesecake Factory has the slipperyest floor ever. Yeah, like 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:50.919 I would you could if you really want to take 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.400 off a petty lawsuit. How do you know what I 1:04:53.520 --> 1:05:01.320 was thinking about doing this weekend? Oh wait, we're recording this. 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:11.120 Damn my back? Wait, damn, this is even fundamental do 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:16.280 you have any siblings? Are you the only Yeah, we 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:19.240 put you in college in the strip club. I got 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:22.720 two sisters, older and younger in the middle only boy, 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:26.160 are they in the arts at all? Or? Um? My 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:29.400 oldest sister is a singer. Well, she doesn't really sing 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:32.880 that much anymore, but she's she can sing. My younger 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:37.000 sister is like a dope graphic artist. Actually, okay, okay now, 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:39.920 And no one else in your family's musically inclined and 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:44.320 no I mean my dad, yeah, my uncle. Um, did 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:50.160 your wife sing? She's a hair stylist. Yeah. Not. I 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:59.560 used to date musicians all the time, like singers. I'm like, 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:02.240 I want you to understand it, but I don't. I 1:06:02.240 --> 1:06:03.800 don't want you to be in it. That's a no. No. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:05.720 That means y'all all know how difficult it is to 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:09.080 date yourself. Absolutely, Yeah, you can't. That's why I don't 1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:12.120 know for real. Yeah, there's there's only one Mike in 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:29.800 this house. Actually, they're yeah, what'slow superior and not be appropriate? Yeah, 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:32.360 the artist artist relationship, that ship is not not. Yeah, 1:06:32.360 --> 1:06:36.440 I mean it's good theory when you think theory, has 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:45.120 it ever worked? Beyonce? You know I said you was 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:46.920 going down, just like the elema I got you, I 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:50.560 got your artist artist relationship? What uh do Angela and 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:56.080 Courtney Beans? Yeah that counts. And I'm saying I believe that. 1:06:57.560 --> 1:07:03.160 I feel like musicians are a different level of thinking. 1:07:03.440 --> 1:07:07.600 If you knew how before he was famous, of any 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:12.120 I think actors can do it. But hmmm, because even 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:14.400 when like people are like, hey man, why don't you 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:16.520 take no no no, no no no, and I know 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:22.040 how crazy no no no, no, no no no, yeah, 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:26.000 all the people that people imagine me getting paired up with, 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:31.880 it's just it's you know, a matter of fact, weren't 1:07:31.880 --> 1:07:35.880 you with me? Uh? Did you go to the Rock 1:07:35.960 --> 1:07:40.919 and Roll Hall of Fame? Uh? With us? The year 1:07:41.840 --> 1:07:44.120 I don't know if I inducted Hall of Notes. Maybe 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:47.480 it was the year after, remember n w A got 1:07:47.840 --> 1:07:52.960 uh inducted in Chicago. Yeah, but there was there was 1:07:53.040 --> 1:07:56.800 a there was an incident, a meltdown incident with a 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.840 well done. If you ain't gonna give us no names, 1:07:59.840 --> 1:08:01.520 don't we tell him us no story? Come on now 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:04.000 and give us us. Let him finish what he's saying. 1:08:04.040 --> 1:08:06.680 They maybe we can figure it out anyway. So p 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:12.479 J No, I'm world famous for not dropping. That makes 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:18.439 Fonte angry. I'm gonna figure out because Hall of Fame 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:20.360 that night and I can't remember. I'm sorry. No, no, no, 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:24.519 she was. I mean she was my date. But it's weird. 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:26.560 I was too busy trip. I was sitting next to 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:31.760 David Burns. You were there with I was at that table, right, Yeah, 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:34.479 they got inducted a year because I was cracking up 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:37.240 because it was nine eleven, like nine eleven when they 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:41.800 when they got inducted. What year? Who was was Bonnie 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:43.840 right there at all? That night? I don't think so. 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:46.080 Steve Miller was there, Okay, okay, okay, No, this is 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:50.240 the night where uh Linda ron Stat and the Eas 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:52.720 Street Band was. I wasn't there that so maybe that's 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:58.320 the year before. Yeah, I was seeing someone notable in 1:08:58.840 --> 1:09:03.160 R and b uh during this time period of genre 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:12.400 we're near right now. She she was known, she was known. 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:16.400 She you know, she she had love one. She she 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.960 might have one of the six in park Love you know, 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:31.240 okay of that, um n. Yeah. But it was just 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:36.320 weird because in that particular environment, which you know, the 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:39.640 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is is uh you know, 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:43.720 presented by Rolling Stone magazine and the kind of old 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:47.920 boy network. Okay, yes that means you mean white people 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:53.320 with mirror Yes, exactly why people? Right, So it wasn't 1:09:54.080 --> 1:09:57.719 she wasn't that known to them, and so it didn't 1:09:57.720 --> 1:09:59.920 make a difference. But then I've been in situation was 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:01.960 with her where it's like, but we would know how 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.280 she has way more followers than I do. Yeah, and 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:08.000 so um yeah, that that night was really weird with 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:10.840 the red carpet thing, because you know, I felt like, well, 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:14.360 you could take photos on your own red carpet, huh. 1:10:14.520 --> 1:10:21.920 But because let's see what Getty talking about. There isn't 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:25.960 photos of us together because Getty got it, get it, 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:27.519 get it. Might be it might be out of the 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:30.840 let me see what I am is talking about. Really, guys, Okay, 1:10:31.920 --> 1:10:36.000 just helped though. It's probably if there's some random R 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:38.360 and B that wasn't supposed to be at this all 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:41.280 that it's supposed to be. It's just that not less 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.719 like that wasn't her scene necessary? Right, That wasn't her scene, 1:10:44.760 --> 1:10:47.640 and I think she wasn't used to it would be 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:51.960 that I'm really like to shanty, but I'm just saying 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:55.840 that I missed it. I'm missed it. I missed it. 1:10:56.120 --> 1:11:01.360 I had to be quick. Um no, no, she's on me. 1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:13.799 But I'm just saying that. But did she miss that? Anyway? 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:20.639 My point, my point is that because of this environment, 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:23.800 this person wasn't that known. It was a little problematic, 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:27.639 and um, for that person, it's a problemating the people 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:29.880 don't know who that person was. For her, well, you 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:33.960 know it's it's it's an ego blow. It's an ego blow, 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:37.360 and so it comes out in other ways. And you know, 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:39.120 I'm just waiting the next year. You tell us you 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:48.360 at Chef's house with lam. Where are you trying to say? Teams? Yeah, 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:55.920 I think she really really, I don't know. Are you 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:57.600 trying to start rumors? No, no, I wasn't. I just 1:11:58.200 --> 1:11:59.800 you just check it on Google see if there's anything 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:04.880 first before you start putting stuff out on it. So 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:07.080 that's a compliment. I know nothing about her other than 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:11.320 just that song. So I just don't even know. The 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:13.960 song sounds just like the other one testing trying with it, 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:25.639 called to testify, bowed back up. I'm bowed up again? Okay, 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:30.519 so joy, Yeah, yeah, so I was creous. So did 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:34.400 you learn to play? Were you formally trained just by ear. No, 1:12:34.560 --> 1:12:38.680 it's all ear. Yeah. And my mom was from the 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:40.920 old school and really wanted me to learn how to play, 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:43.720 and you know I wanted to, but I was like 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:47.640 playing stuff on the radio and TV show things and 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:51.280 that after that is when she put me in lessons. 1:12:51.320 --> 1:12:53.760 And then I went back to and I was like, 1:12:54.280 --> 1:12:56.720 I can't so what was the first thing to discipline? 1:12:56.920 --> 1:13:00.840 Where's the first song you learned? Uh? I thought it 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:02.880 was something I wrote. Then I realized it was something 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:06.360 that existed already. Yeah, I used to play this this 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:09.000 thing and see I don't know what it's called, but um, 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:14.840 like the first song I can really remember. Um maybe 1:13:14.960 --> 1:13:18.439 like like those were the days like all in the family, 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:25.439 which but yeah, like real songs. So I used to 1:13:25.520 --> 1:13:30.120 play little things, you know, uh, little like pieces of things, 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:32.880 but I don't know if they were actually songs because 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:35.559 so in church, you know, with the talking music and stuff, right, 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:38.960 like like the guys sitting on the organ plane. Yeah, 1:13:39.400 --> 1:13:42.040 I was playing person in the entire church. That was 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:44.960 my favorite person in Yeah, so I would learn things 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:49.679 that weren't actually songs, but they would just pieces. Yeah. 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:51.400 I remember people used to walk up to me, like 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:53.080 what you're playing and I'm like, I don't know, I 1:13:53.200 --> 1:13:57.280 just I just playing it. Yeah yeah, but All in 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:00.320 the Family was one like and well, that's watching the 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:04.880 end credits or the beginning ones, because oh yeah, because 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:09.439 again the end credits or we learned that all that family. No, no, 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:12.439 at the end, you're talking about what's happened. That's what's happening. No, no, no, 1:14:13.280 --> 1:14:17.160 at the end of at the end of talking about 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:21.040 the beginning right, right, So at the end of All 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:22.720 the Family, when the credits are growing up, it's more 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:24.960 of a Dixie Land. Okay, No, I didn't know. I didn't. 1:14:25.240 --> 1:14:30.400 I didn't play that parts. You know, it's still the 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:37.800 same it's it's still the same field, right, but it's 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:41.599 piano in the Wait a minute, me and light ye 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.080 are the only ones that recognize all the families. The 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:48.559 other things I wasn't really annoying. What what you mean 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:53.880 that I wasn't I watched. I wasn't watching. I wasn't 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:55.720 allowed to watch All the Family. But I still know 1:14:56.000 --> 1:14:57.880 that that part was. I mean, I know the theme song, 1:14:57.960 --> 1:15:00.800 those were the days, you know. I'm knew that. I 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:02.760 don't know if I really watched it like, I don't know, 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:07.640 because I was later on exactly that she would come 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:09.840 on like, well, we're watching it. Yeah someth maybe I 1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:12.040 heard that first ever get it just like it was 1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:20.120 time to go to bed with Masha the Mash want 1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:22.720 to tend. I don't know, I don't know. I know 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:28.000 it was dead when I came on. Yeah, but I 1:15:28.360 --> 1:15:32.960 was watching addicted to it in syndication. Used to always 1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:35.720 come on at ten o'clock. Yeah, it was time to go. Yeah, 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:38.960 I was gonna say that. Yeah, I only know mash 1:15:39.000 --> 1:15:44.760 Fords theme and it's in credit. Yeah, exactly, brought to 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:49.519 you by you know, like but literally never seemed Mash 1:15:49.600 --> 1:15:51.920 and always wanted to know what made it so great. No, 1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:53.840 I never watched that show either. I wasn't a lave 1:15:53.880 --> 1:15:56.519 in the seventies doing a fet not more so be 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:58.040 able to really give you a good answer for that 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:01.439 not relevant content. So what is your what is what 1:16:01.640 --> 1:16:07.400 is your your your practice riche or your creative rituals? Like, um, 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:11.439 I'm sure, I'm sure it's more than just learning TV 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:15.559 themes and you know what, I used to ask people 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:18.040 how to practice. Okay, So since I didn't know that, 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:22.720 since I didn't learn formally. Um My, my practice was 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.879 playing what I knew right until I made a mistake. 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:28.840 And a lot of times my mistakes would lead me 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:32.400 to like whatever the next thing is, and I'm like, oh, 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:35.640 that's how they played that. But I didn't have a 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:38.880 practice regiment, and I was playing so much because you 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:42.760 had you know, you had Sunday and then you had 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:45.680 like rehearsal on Tuesday, and then you had like mid 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:49.400 day on Wednesday. So I felt like I was that 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:52.679 was more of my practice was like on the while 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.120 I was playing with my friends, as opposed to I 1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:59.200 didn't know how to practice, which sounds weird. Are you 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:02.880 the first I mean winner that I didn't have that 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:05.720 You weren't under the tutelage or the thumb of a 1:17:05.880 --> 1:17:11.920 drill sergeant Joe Jackson esque figure. No, like doesn't mean 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:15.080 my dad. My dad knew how to play like one 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:18.080 thing really well, and I thought he could really play 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:20.320 when I before I could play, and I'm like, man, 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:22.599 show me that, and I started to pass him up. 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:24.439 He was like, you don't want to learn from me. 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:28.479 So I didn't have anybody who was like I really 1:17:28.880 --> 1:17:31.600 just wanted to do it, you know, So nobody had 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:33.880 to push me. Once I got out of lessons, Once 1:17:33.920 --> 1:17:36.720 I got out of like somebody trying to teach me 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:39.439 how to play, it just was my That was That 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.920 became my basketball once I stop growing. Yo, I gotta 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:45.000 know what your dad said the day you told him 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:47.160 you got the MA Room five job, because I feel 1:17:47.200 --> 1:17:48.519 like he was like, huh, well, I don't know if 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:51.800 my dad knew who He didn't at what point did 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:53.880 he feel? At what point did he know? And then 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:55.519 was like, oh, I guess this is probably one of 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:58.320 those war shows. He's like, boy, you been all right? Boy, 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.000 see you up there. I saw you on that go 1:18:01.800 --> 1:18:04.000 probably the Grammys or something. You know. I was playing. 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:06.040 We played my first year. I think we did like 1:18:06.080 --> 1:18:09.360 a Beach Boys tribute, and he and my dad probably 1:18:11.439 --> 1:18:14.240 deal how did that come about? How did you come 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:16.439 and get into the band? So that that is quest 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:22.880 that was basically, um, um, thank you. They were looking 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:25.880 for a keyboard well, unbeknowns to me at that time too, 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:30.000 the original keyboard player was planning on leaving the band, 1:18:30.680 --> 1:18:33.479 but I didn't know that. I think they kind of 1:18:33.560 --> 1:18:36.280 had conversations about it, which is how I was able 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:40.439 to come in because after Matt like the drummer, and 1:18:40.479 --> 1:18:42.360 said he was like, man, we didn't want another player, 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:44.200 like we didn't want anybody else in the band. This 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.639 was kind of Jesse's idea in a way. Um um, 1:18:47.880 --> 1:18:50.000 and shout out to Jesse, because he just he's the 1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:53.840 most loving person, like he wanted another keyboard player with him, right, 1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:58.519 So the first two years, Um, well, so they called 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:01.040 you and you couldn't do it because you just got foulon. 1:19:01.120 --> 1:19:04.800 This was almost nine years ago, and black Stone came 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:07.280 in and they asked him if he knew anybody who 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:11.040 could play and sing, and so black called me. I 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:12.920 canceled the rest of my tour. I had like three 1:19:13.000 --> 1:19:15.240 days left on my tour. I'm like I was tired anyway, 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:18.120 because I was just on that same little little carousel. 1:19:18.600 --> 1:19:21.160 I went to l a audition for them. It was 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:25.040 my first audition in life, you know, um, And it 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:27.320 was their first audition, like they had been a band 1:19:27.360 --> 1:19:30.320 since eighth grade. So they brought me in the first day. 1:19:30.360 --> 1:19:32.800 I auditioned first, and I could just feel like maybe 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:35.800 it was my ignorance of not auditioning before, but they 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:37.760 just want me to learn. Sunday morning, I played that 1:19:38.200 --> 1:19:39.439 and they were like, well, what else you know? And 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:40.720 I was like, I know a little bit of what. 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.280 So we started just jamming and it started to feel 1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:47.040 more like friends. I could tell they were the cats. 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:49.599 They were one of the guys you know. And um, 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:53.439 so they had another guy there waiting and they were like, 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:55.519 we knew already, but they just let him audition. And 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:57.879 they had a second day of auditions that they just canceled, 1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:00.680 and I was they told me the next day and 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:02.760 that the rest was history. And I guess that next 1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:04.960 week is probably when you came in and we actually 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:08.680 started rehearsals, and um, what album was that you came 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:11.160 in on? So they just had finished this album hands 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:16.640 all over. Um so just before his Boy and this 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:19.360 is before moves like Jack. We always call it post 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:22.120 moves like jaggering and pre moves like jagging. So was 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:24.479 that was that the records? I mean, I know, but 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:26.800 I don't know, like that was moved like Jack of 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.760 the one that really kind of took them to the other. Yea. 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:36.439 So they had this love and she will be loved. 1:20:36.880 --> 1:20:39.160 That was they were big, right, and then there was 1:20:39.360 --> 1:20:42.880 like a plateau kind of period. Uh, it was when 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:46.639 I came in. I felt like Billy Preston coming in. Yeah. 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:51.320 And and but then we toured that album hands all Over, 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:53.640 which was kind of first record that they did the 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.599 same way, all writing in the room together and um. 1:20:57.120 --> 1:21:00.200 And then I remember when the voice call came man 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:02.840 and this song moves like Jagger, and it was kind 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:06.000 of a you know, kind of a conscious effort like 1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:08.639 all right, do we want to you know, be big 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:11.000 just here or do we want to be big big? 1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:12.880 You know? And I think I think it was a 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:15.680 conscious effort to like turn a corner. And that's when 1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:18.680 moves like Jagger came in. And and then we did 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:21.240 Overexposed and that was pay phone and it was like 1:21:21.320 --> 1:21:27.280 five number ones in a row usually uh are or 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:32.320 was Maroon five? Ambracive of these new shoes that they 1:21:32.360 --> 1:21:35.720 were about to wear, because usually if you get hits 1:21:35.800 --> 1:21:40.800 that easy and that I guess palatable to to America's 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:44.000 ears or whatnot, a lot of times out of ten 1:21:44.120 --> 1:21:47.280 people will shy away from that. You know. I've seen 1:21:48.080 --> 1:21:52.320 I've seen about ten artists have something so captain obvious 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:54.519 that it's just like this is gonna be it for them, 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:57.320 and I'll find that they will figure out a way 1:21:57.439 --> 1:22:02.800 to get out of that situation. But with these guys, 1:22:03.800 --> 1:22:10.000 especially once um overexposed happens and stuff like h like, 1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:13.000 was it even hesitgency? Like what was the feelings of, Okay, well, 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:15.720 I'm gonna do this reality show and this month? I 1:22:15.800 --> 1:22:19.160 think there was there. It was hesitant initially just for 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:23.320 the show, right, just because at that time, I guess 1:22:23.800 --> 1:22:27.080 moves like I mean, the voice was like a Dutch 1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:29.360 show or something like that, right, and it it had 1:22:29.400 --> 1:22:31.880 been kind of successful, but nobody knew what it was 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:34.120 gonna be here in the States, so they were like, man, 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.880 reality TV, you know, we're a band, blah blah blah. 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:39.680 We don't know. And then that ended up being like 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:42.200 a huge blessing for us, like we premiered every single 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:45.000 on there that went number one. You know what I'm saying, 1:22:45.360 --> 1:22:49.559 I got more out well straight up, I always say 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:57.920 that the coaches are the winners. Yeah, yeah, who's the 1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:04.120 Kelly Clarkson of a voice? Who's the It was your 1:23:04.160 --> 1:23:07.200 boy Noel what's his name? That peach back And he 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:09.519 came one like the second year Adam. He was one 1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:12.160 of Adam's winners. But he actually had a record out 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:14.040 like ten years before the Africa. I know you're talking 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:19.960 about you can Eat for Hours. Yeah, yeah, he won 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:26.960 the voice like second year, I think, yeah, because yeah, 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:29.320 see one, but I know you're talking about but not 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:32.920 Navier had a record out before. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:35.640 figure it out. I didn't know it because I know 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:41.559 that the Peach for Hour dude toward with Us he was, Yeah, 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:46.120 it was on Raucus Smokey Robinson. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:50.040 but I think, um, at least I mean for for 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:55.040 Adam and Blake, it really like put it put a 1:23:55.240 --> 1:23:57.560 you know, a battery in our backs and like the 1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:59.840 only reason why I know who Blake shot us. Yeah. 1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:03.240 I remember Adam saying who was going to be on 1:24:03.320 --> 1:24:06.400 the show that first season with c Christina, him and Blake. 1:24:06.920 --> 1:24:08.880 He and I remember us calling him the country guy 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:10.920 because we didn't know, you know, he was like, this 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:14.280 is some country guy. And then but a year later, Blake, 1:24:14.800 --> 1:24:16.840 I mean, and he was already huge in that world, 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:19.280 but we just didn't didn't know, you know, kind of 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:23.240 a natural fit for television. Yeah, he actually I think 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:28.560 after sitting after sitting in with Us, Adam said in 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:33.240 with the with Us on a particular day that whoever 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:37.559 is the showrunner or the voice happened to be at 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:40.680 thirty Rock and saw it was like, oh, this guy 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:44.559 is charismatic whatever, and then at the commercial break they 1:24:44.720 --> 1:24:46.880 that's when they actually pitched it. Like, I think it 1:24:46.960 --> 1:24:49.400 was great for him because that was the thing. Nobody 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:54.040 knew his personality and he is a cool, fun person, 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:56.160 so it was kind of a perfect fit for TV. 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:58.840 And there's just something to be said about being in 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:03.120 people's houses three times a week at night. It just 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:06.960 starts to you three times a week. Yeah, once they 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:09.439 get into those live shows and the competition and the 1:25:10.520 --> 1:25:12.599 it's a lot of you know what I'm saying, um, 1:25:13.040 --> 1:25:14.880 And that's just I mean, if even if you're I 1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:17.120 mean think with Cosby Show, even if it's one week, 1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:19.800 one day a week, you know what I'm saying, you 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:22.920 start to know those people. And it just really helped 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:25.840 because now as being an artist, you know, it goes 1:25:25.920 --> 1:25:28.040 way beyond the music. It's like, oh I like him, 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:31.719 so I'm gonna support So they felt start to feel 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:33.720 like they knew Adam in a different way. You know, 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:35.680 my mom knows him now, so that's how I know 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:37.720 it's official. Yeah, I bought my wife a car, and 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:40.120 this guy who's selling me the car was like, oh 1:25:40.240 --> 1:25:51.280 the voice my name is Ruthy Rute. So how does 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:53.120 that So how does that work in terms of I 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:55.760 mean in terms of your life, because you know, you're 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:58.920 part of this you know, huge band, but you also 1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:01.479 just you like, are you able to still go to 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:03.880 the grocery store and just in peace? Yeah? I think 1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:06.120 that's one of the benefits. I mean, well, now I'm 1:26:06.600 --> 1:26:09.400 you know, I've started to have my own thing because 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:11.040 of my my records and stuff, and some of the 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:13.280 stuff is happening. But I think one of the coolest 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:16.479 parts about like Mickey, you know, the bass player, is 1:26:17.280 --> 1:26:20.519 they've they've they've been equal partners for years, you know, 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:23.880 like I said, since eighth grade. And he can walk anywhere, 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:27.040 you know what I'm saying. So have the same life, 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:30.320 but but but not the not the fame. There's something 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:32.880 to that that's kind of cool. Me being the only 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:35.479 black guy. I think James long hair guy and then 1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:40.160 me black guy. They're like, okay, you know what, yeah, yeah, 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:43.400 but um, I think that's kind of a I knew 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:45.400 he I know he enjoys that, you know what, I'm saying, 1:26:45.439 --> 1:26:48.280 because he's got that same life. Um, but for me 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:49.960 it's not as bad. Not unless we go to like 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:53.360 South America something like what they really know you Asia, 1:26:53.800 --> 1:26:56.320 you know, and they're like, I'm I'm waiting for PJ. 1:26:56.880 --> 1:27:01.240 How okay? So how are you able to split? How 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:05.360 are you guys able to divide h Adam voice time 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:11.600 with Maroom five studio and recording time and p J 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:16.719 Morton studio recording, songwriting, producing time. It took me a minute. 1:27:16.760 --> 1:27:19.160 So maybe the first couple of years I just was 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:21.120 trying to figure out how to be in Maron five. 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:23.040 You know, so how long just how long have you 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:27.160 been in the band at this point nine years in July. Yeah, 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:30.560 So so that first I just had to figure it 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:33.040 out and I wasn't doing anything. So, like I said, 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:35.439 when they called me, I felt like it was a 1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:37.640 prayer being answered because I was burnt. I was kind 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:39.600 of burnt out, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:41.599 it's cool, I don't need I don't want to focus 1:27:41.680 --> 1:27:43.800 on me for a while. So that first little while 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:47.160 was just like me just being in the band. And 1:27:47.280 --> 1:27:50.760 then um, but when I started to get back into 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:53.800 my stuff I signed a young money, like my second 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:58.360 year being in Maroon five, And that's when I'm gonna 1:28:00.240 --> 1:28:04.800 how are those baby checks? Just that smile right there, 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:08.680 it tells me you got stories finished that I've never 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:13.320 seen the baby check. I knew that anyway, but um 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:16.360 but but so so when I started to get him 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:18.600 to my artist thing, the voice came right and it 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.200 was kind of a help because then on our calendar, 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:23.599 I could see like, oh, he's got live shows right here, 1:28:23.880 --> 1:28:26.280 he's taping right here. So it kind of allowed me 1:28:26.400 --> 1:28:29.519 to like do my stuff in these gaps. I mean, 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:33.200 it made me busier than everybody, but I just used 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:35.320 those gaps. So I hired us here, high us there. 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:38.439 We're gonna take three weeks off here. And because like 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:42.320 before the voice, rehearsals would be called just out of 1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.800 the blue, like hey, y'all, let's rehearse that. You know 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:46.960 what I'm saying. But then when the voice came, it 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:50.559 was like everything started to be structured, structured a little 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.479 bit more because it had to be so I could 1:28:52.520 --> 1:28:56.479 play stuff. Yeah, hey, can you just describe did you 1:28:56.640 --> 1:29:00.280 have a relationship at all with Jordan's Yeah? I did. Yeah, 1:29:00.600 --> 1:29:03.880 what was what was he like Jordan's. Um is uh 1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:09.479 Jonah Hill's brother who used to manage five and passed away. Yeah, 1:29:10.439 --> 1:29:14.599 Jordan was so so so Jordan's has been their manager 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:17.000 since the beginning. Um and they probably could tell this 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:20.840 story better. But the reason he that what separated him 1:29:20.880 --> 1:29:22.560 because he was a young man. He's probably just a 1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:25.920 year older than them. Um. He bought the whole band 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:27.759 cell phones. He was like, if you let me manage, 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:33.439 I buy you all cell phones. And literally until I 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:35.720 was in the band, until Jordan passed away, we got 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:37.720 new phones every time a new phone came out. So 1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:42.679 I think that became a tradition man of his management. 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:46.719 But Jordan's was like a kind of a silent genius. 1:29:46.840 --> 1:29:50.320 He was. Yeah, he when I when I talked to 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:53.720 him about strategy, When he started to talk to me 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:56.559 about strategy and how he would roll out things kind 1:29:56.560 --> 1:29:59.639 of blew my mind, you know. But he was very quiet. 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:02.960 Wasn't the buddy buddy manager, even though he was a 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:06.880 year older. It was he was like, not buddy buddy. 1:30:06.960 --> 1:30:08.960 It was like business, you know what I'm saying, which 1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:11.320 is kind of you know whatever it was. I had 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:14.120 to get used to that part and understand who Jordan 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:16.800 was in that way. Um, but man, he was. He 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:21.400 was a silent, silent killer man, you know in his planning. Um, 1:30:21.800 --> 1:30:24.040 I saw how his brain worked, Like one time when 1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:26.200 he we were talking about my stuff and he was 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:28.960 saying how he saw and I was just like, oh, 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:32.479 that's why you're Jordan's Felstein, Like I get it now, 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:36.320 like you Yeah, that was a lost man. Time was 1:30:36.360 --> 1:30:47.080 a cool cat MANI. Um, So with where you are 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:51.920 now in your career and you know, I'm I'm really 1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:56.559 curious on the moves that you make because me also 1:30:56.840 --> 1:31:02.680 being a multi tasker and different things. Um, should your 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:07.200 situation elevate? Do you still see it as a way 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:10.639 where you can do both at the same time or yeah? 1:31:10.760 --> 1:31:12.519 I mean and we kind of had that. So so 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:14.600 when I when I signed a Young Money, when that 1:31:14.680 --> 1:31:18.720 record came out, Um, and what you was that was that? Uh? 1:31:19.160 --> 1:31:24.680 That record came out? Ok, and um, they let me 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:26.880 open up a tour, they let me open up. It 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:30.400 was me opening up with my soul band and then 1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:33.439 Kelly Clarkson and then Maroon and then we went to 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.600 Europe and it was me Robin thinking Maroon. UM and 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:38.519 Adam told me in the beginning, like, bro, if you 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:40.280 get as big as us, then we'll just have to 1:31:40.400 --> 1:31:43.479 co headline or something. You know. So the support is 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:49.040 there now you can't leave, But I don't see a reason, 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:52.240 Like I don't feel a need to leave, just because 1:31:53.360 --> 1:31:56.439 I think people leave for not being appreciated, right, And 1:31:56.800 --> 1:31:59.320 they showed me like we support you. Like the whole 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:02.080 joke this time around at the Grammys was Pj's up 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:04.040 for three Grammys Maroons up for one? You know what 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:05.800 I'm saying, But that was a joke in the chat, 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:08.439 like at least, at least PJ can win a Grammy 1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:13.280 around here, you know, yeah, they won three early on. 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:18.000 You know, Grammys really liked songs about Jane that error, right, yeah, 1:32:18.080 --> 1:32:20.960 but once yeah, I mean the best New Artists. They 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:24.400 beat Kanye for Best New Artists. But like so early on, 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:28.640 But I think the support is there, and if the 1:32:28.680 --> 1:32:32.320 schedule remains like because to be honest, we've we've started 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:37.040 to tour less um for the same amount, you know 1:32:37.040 --> 1:32:41.080 what I'm saying, like have the same impact. Yeah, you 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:43.479 know what I'm saying. So I toured more than Maroon 1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:45.479 did last year, you know what I'm saying. I went 1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:47.840 all around the world and Maroon we did like two 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:52.400 US runs last year, so it's allowed me to to 1:32:52.680 --> 1:32:55.800 to get my space. So um, there definitely have been 1:32:56.080 --> 1:32:58.600 a couple of conflicts in the past. I had to 1:32:58.640 --> 1:33:00.880 pass up some big things that I thought But in 1:33:00.960 --> 1:33:04.519 the grand scheme of things, it's just it hasn't seemed 1:33:04.560 --> 1:33:07.120 worked it to me yet to like have to leave 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:10.200 I'm cool, you know, yeah, I like I like both. 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:12.240 Just to rewind a little bit, can we talk a 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:14.600 little bit about the Was there an adjustment period for 1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:16.200 you when you joined the band, because like, you're coming 1:33:16.200 --> 1:33:19.040 into a unit that's been Yeah, like that's already formed, 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:22.160 you know, it's been together forever. Now there was there 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:24.679 was what was cool. That's why I kind of liked 1:33:25.520 --> 1:33:28.280 when the voice happened and moves like Jagger happened, because 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:31.040 up until then, like the two the first two years, 1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:35.479 I felt like the outsider and a little you know, everything, 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:37.280 because they had done all of this stuff. I'm hype. 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:40.880 I'm like, oh shoot, at first, my first blah blah blah. 1:33:41.320 --> 1:33:44.160 But then after that, yeah, they're like, yeah, cool you 1:33:44.479 --> 1:33:48.960 it's so cute. PJ. You like you like that? Yeah, 1:33:49.320 --> 1:33:52.680 it's like I look at pj enjoined but um, but 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:56.720 after Jagger and the voice, it was new to everybody, 1:33:56.960 --> 1:33:59.599 like everything was new. Was like, oh dang five number 1:33:59.640 --> 1:34:03.280 one they had had, um, you know, like how they 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:06.439 see number one's a lot, you know, was used to that, 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:10.080 but like a hot one hundred, you know, like real 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:14.800 number one. Um, it's a whole different thing. And we 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:17.960 started to see. So then we became closer because we 1:34:18.040 --> 1:34:20.920 were experiencing all this stuff all together, you know what 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:24.519 I'm saying. Um, But musically, because I was, I was 1:34:24.560 --> 1:34:26.479 curious in that way with Bill asked, I'm like, musically, 1:34:26.560 --> 1:34:28.960 did you always feel comfortable giving your full stuff where 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:30.160 you're like, Okay, I'm at a job. I know what 1:34:30.240 --> 1:34:31.800 they expected me. I'm not going to give them all 1:34:31.840 --> 1:34:34.680 this church That's now. I wasn't. I was. I was 1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:36.479 coming off of your question. That's that's what I was 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:39.880 just starting with your I was expanding. But was there 1:34:39.880 --> 1:34:41.479 a period for that too, like when you felt like 1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:43.800 all right or did you always just feel like this 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:45.080 is me and I'm gonna just be me and I 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:49.040 think with anything? And my my take was always what 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:51.640 what what do I bring to the table? You know 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.560 it wasn't. It wasn't a selfish thing of like I 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:56.519 want to I want to make sure I put PJ 1:34:56.720 --> 1:34:59.160 in there somewhere. No, I was just wondering because of 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:01.719 your background and might be different than their especially musically 1:35:01.840 --> 1:35:03.920 because of that church background. Like when that came into 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:05.720 a fact, I think what I started to what I 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:09.320 started to realize what it was. There was like less 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:14.920 different about us, Like they listened to whatever rock music 1:35:15.000 --> 1:35:17.240 that was going, right, But then I didn't. I hadn't 1:35:17.280 --> 1:35:18.800 listened to a lot of that stuff. I mean I 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:22.519 was a big Beatles guy, big James Taylor guy, So 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:25.880 I had listened to a lot of music. But um, 1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:28.360 what I realized was that That's what I'm saying. That 1:35:28.439 --> 1:35:31.479 first audition, I was like, Oh, we're kind of the same, 1:35:31.640 --> 1:35:34.519 Like we could they could play, like Adam could play. 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:37.560 You know what I'm saying. Those guys can play. So 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:40.080 I I just felt like, oh, it's just musicians. Kind 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:44.240 of gotta say I didn't know that he was a shredder. Yeah, 1:35:44.600 --> 1:35:46.760 I'm saying all that was new to me once. I 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:49.479 was a fan of this love and all of that stuff. Right, 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:52.960 I watched TRL when you know what I'm saying I 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:56.120 was a fan and still and I knew the music 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:58.599 was cool, like those diminished chords. But I'm like, okay, 1:35:58.920 --> 1:36:01.600 but this is a record, you know. But when I 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.640 got in that room, I'm like, oh, this is like 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:06.560 what I'm used to. This is like the Homies. We 1:36:06.640 --> 1:36:09.479 can all play, so, you know, And so there wasn't 1:36:09.520 --> 1:36:11.960 a big adjustment. They had to be three for me there, 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:13.800 you know what I'm saying. I was doing what I 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:17.280 do and I related to that stuff. Um, I think 1:36:17.479 --> 1:36:20.160 with Maroon because so they were a punk rock band 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:24.320 initially called Cares Flowers and then they added another member, 1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:27.880 became five and after they had listened to Stevie Wonder 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:30.519 and kind of said, Okay, I'm gonna mix all of 1:36:30.560 --> 1:36:33.320 this stuff, and you know their version of mixing it 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:37.080 Timberland and Missy Stevie and all this rock stuff that 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.840 we grew up with. Right, So when I hear Maroon, 1:36:39.960 --> 1:36:42.679 I hear the more of the soul stuff the side 1:36:42.840 --> 1:36:46.080 that side, And they probably hear a different way, but 1:36:46.200 --> 1:36:48.960 for me it was like it translated to me, you know, 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:53.479 it was meant to be. So how how are songs written? 1:36:53.720 --> 1:36:57.040 Is it jam sessions? Is the sound check is it? Yeah, 1:36:57.439 --> 1:37:00.840 that that was before I got they're really like the 1:37:01.640 --> 1:37:05.000 jam sessions, the together thing. Uh, it became a little 1:37:05.080 --> 1:37:10.679 more of a machine businessman. Yeah, um post post jack. 1:37:11.360 --> 1:37:13.080 You know, I'm just saying, like a joint, like girl 1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:15.960 like you whatever, Like is it like you all jamming 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:17.760 one day and say hey, let's do that or was 1:37:17.840 --> 1:37:20.479 it like a song that someone written. Yeah, that came in. 1:37:20.640 --> 1:37:23.840 That came in from a songwriter and we we kind 1:37:23.880 --> 1:37:26.479 of just put our things on it and Adam usually 1:37:28.479 --> 1:37:31.320 with those people, what about like wait, the new the weight, 1:37:31.439 --> 1:37:35.040 like the jam? Wait, how did that? Man? Yeah? I 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:40.479 love way to Yeah that's the only joint I could 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:49.080 do this too. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly right. So okay, 1:37:49.600 --> 1:37:51.880 I'm gonna go there all right, Yeah, let's let's get it. 1:37:51.880 --> 1:37:56.280 Come on, I'm ready started. Well, I didn't know what 1:37:56.360 --> 1:37:57.880 angle you was going for, but I was just gonna 1:37:57.880 --> 1:37:59.640 say that I would like to have seen you more 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:01.240 on that's both stage. I told him that when I 1:38:01.240 --> 1:38:03.000 saw him in person, I was like, you were the 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:04.840 only black man they didn't really show too much of 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:07.200 But that's that's not what your point was. I knew. 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:09.599 So wherever you was gonna go with your super Bowl 1:38:09.880 --> 1:38:14.920 you know, soun like his or because for me, I 1:38:15.040 --> 1:38:16.800 was like, PJ is going to be on the Super 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:18.439 Bowl half time show. I ain't supposed to be watching 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:19.920 this ship, but PJ is doing it, so I'm gonna 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:23.040 watch it. Right. So that's when I was like, well wait, wait, yeah, 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:27.559 oh wait is that an orange hat? Wait? How how nervous? 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:30.280 I mean I'm certain that you know, it's it's hard 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:38.040 to you know, too ignore you know, whatever social media dictates. 1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:44.120 But how nervous where you guys are worried about rocking 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:50.000 the boat with the unpopular decision of doing the halftime show. Um, 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:55.640 there were a bunch of phases of it, right, like 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:59.800 my initial I remember when, and these were hardly my decisions, right, 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:03.880 I'm I was, I was gonna be rocking. I was 1:39:03.920 --> 1:39:05.720 gonna be back there playing my keyboard, you know what. 1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:10.799 But but but um, there were phases like I remember 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:13.840 the initial when Adam told me pace time me and say, bro, 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:17.080 we got the super Bowl. I was like, I've been 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:19.760 on the Super Bowl. Everyone's dream, you know what I'm saying. 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:23.240 So that was my initial thing. Then I say, ah, damn, 1:39:23.400 --> 1:39:28.200 it wasn't this season. Between those two thoughts. How much 1:39:28.240 --> 1:39:30.880 time in between? Um no, that was probably like the 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:33.560 next day when I was like, oh shoot, but that 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:37.880 and then um so then there was the phase of like, man, 1:39:37.920 --> 1:39:39.479 I don't think we don't think we should do it, 1:39:39.720 --> 1:39:42.799 you know, once the soft announcement came, the leak whatever 1:39:42.920 --> 1:39:45.599 that was. Once that came and I saw him like, man, 1:39:45.880 --> 1:39:47.759 it's not worth it. We we got a great career, 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:51.920 blah blah blah. So we went there. Then the petition came. 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:55.160 There was a petition. There was a petition for us 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.280 not to play. Oh wait, not even the artists and 1:39:57.400 --> 1:40:01.960 they won't play. Just I got the thoughts on the 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:04.920 artists saying they wouldn't play. I don't know, yes, I 1:40:07.840 --> 1:40:12.720 don't know that. As many artists were presented the opportunity. 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:17.080 It's easy, course you would say no if you're not right. 1:40:17.160 --> 1:40:19.840 It's easy to boycott fucking Gucy when you can't afford it. 1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:23.479 So so I can't really speak on that part. But 1:40:23.600 --> 1:40:25.760 there was a petition for us not to play. And 1:40:25.960 --> 1:40:28.640 then that's when I turned right, because this is me, 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:34.200 so I'm a cap supporter, right. I didn't watch football 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:36.960 all season when my Saints was bawling out on everybody. 1:40:38.640 --> 1:40:45.160 And I love, Yes, I hate the refs. I don't 1:40:45.160 --> 1:40:48.400 hate l A. I'm like, look l A like so 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:51.200 Maroon and all of them l A. They were they 1:40:51.240 --> 1:40:53.360 were apologizing to me. I felt bad for them because 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:54.920 they were in the position like what are you gonna do? 1:40:55.880 --> 1:40:59.840 Overturn that? Give them the ball? Yeah we did, but 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:06.040 so I didn't watch. Yeah, that's what James would say. 1:41:06.040 --> 1:41:10.559 I'm still um so so so when the petition came, 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:18.000 I'm like, so, I'm boycotting football, right, like for cap um. First, 1:41:18.040 --> 1:41:21.519 CAP isn't telling me anything. I'm not hearing anything from CAP, 1:41:21.640 --> 1:41:24.840 like as leadership, right, and I'm looking. So when Eric 1:41:24.920 --> 1:41:28.439 read get signed to the to the Panthers, I'm like, 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:31.800 all right, what are we doing? Are we happy about this? 1:41:32.479 --> 1:41:35.120 Eric Reid was the guy who kneeled next to him 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:42.200 and also and also got black balled, right, but what 1:41:42.439 --> 1:41:45.120 was was a superstar right and needed to be playing 1:41:45.160 --> 1:41:48.759 football signed to the Panthers. And so then I started 1:41:48.760 --> 1:41:52.760 getting confused on the cherry picking of Okay, so he 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:56.120 can work, he can play for the NFL and support CAP, 1:41:56.960 --> 1:42:00.800 but I can't. But I can't play one game and 1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:08.400 support CAP and also also we're we're boycott is so 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:11.160 Cap can play for this corporation that you don't want 1:42:11.200 --> 1:42:13.280 me to play for. Y'all need to find a god 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:17.400 damn agenda. So what I'm saying, right, So like certain things, 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:20.120 you know, I mean social media, it was just like 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:23.960 a lot of cherry picking, right, So, like you know, 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:26.880 people saying they're not playing the super Bowl, but then 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:30.280 they play super Bowl parties but they do super Bowl 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:34.320 commercials or like, so I'm like, okay, and then even 1:42:34.600 --> 1:42:38.800 even Jay asking Travis not to perform, but then Chloe 1:42:38.880 --> 1:42:44.320 and Halley perform and it's in the whale House, so 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:48.840 I'm like, beautiful. They did great. By the way, they 1:42:49.360 --> 1:42:52.000 really did. What I'm just saying was trying to get 1:42:52.000 --> 1:42:53.200 you out to place so we could get read it 1:42:53.320 --> 1:43:00.280 or on the bill or something. You know that she's 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:04.439 still signed the Rock Nation. Didn't she think she got 1:43:04.479 --> 1:43:07.400 out of it? Well, I still have no idea. But anyway, 1:43:07.520 --> 1:43:10.519 so that's when that's when I started to feel like, Hey, 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:15.479 I love everybody, but like also forget everybody, you know 1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:18.840 what I'm saying, because ultimately, and this is what I 1:43:18.920 --> 1:43:21.200 felt like, because I think it's about disruption, right, what 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:24.760 would actually disrupt. It's not me not playing the super Bowl, 1:43:24.800 --> 1:43:27.400 because if we say no, then somebody else is gonna 1:43:27.400 --> 1:43:30.840 come and play, and it's gonna like even even the like, 1:43:31.000 --> 1:43:34.760 the closest thing I can um like compared to was 1:43:35.600 --> 1:43:40.479 that Trump inauguration thing, right, and we don't really yeah 1:43:40.560 --> 1:43:43.960 exactly what Crossette and you know, but but but she 1:43:44.200 --> 1:43:48.960 fucked she is. But my point is you don't remember 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:53.639 who turned it down. They're they're not remembered, right. It's 1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:56.280 to please a certain group of people, which I didn't agree. 1:43:56.600 --> 1:43:58.599 I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have I wouldn't have played 1:43:58.680 --> 1:44:02.360 the Trump inauguration. But what I'm saying is you don't 1:44:02.400 --> 1:44:06.360 remember those people, So why not just have that platform 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:08.160 and be able to speak as loud as I can 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:15.160 to Yes, that particular aforementioned person wants to come on 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:26.479 qors conversation. We've got some good conversations. Yeah, but wait, 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:28.760 so let me ask you this then, because we know 1:44:28.920 --> 1:44:31.080 that we didn't get the press conference that we usually 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:33.599 get because whatever, we don't want to be asked the questions. 1:44:33.880 --> 1:44:35.720 And we know that in that press release it was 1:44:35.800 --> 1:44:38.080 like marooting five is gonna give you. We're gonna show 1:44:38.080 --> 1:44:39.519 you what we're gonna do in our performance. So my 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:42.479 question was, as watching that performance, is is that gospel 1:44:42.520 --> 1:44:44.360 in that Travis? Is that what y'all showing me? That 1:44:44.600 --> 1:44:46.439 is that how you feel? Is the gospel and the 1:44:46.479 --> 1:44:48.920 Travis Scott like the we gave y'all how we feel. 1:44:49.080 --> 1:44:51.679 I'm not sure. I didn't see that interview or whatever. 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:54.280 It was a press release instead of them actually and 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:56.559 Steady all actually doing the press conference, which both half 1:44:56.640 --> 1:45:01.280 times that yeah, and the last the first time a 1:45:01.320 --> 1:45:04.240 press conference. But so they sent out and they sent 1:45:04.280 --> 1:45:07.360 out a press release and basically it read inflammation that 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:10.840 we're going to show you through our performance how we feel. Well. 1:45:10.880 --> 1:45:15.639 I think I think the group's um position was we're 1:45:15.680 --> 1:45:18.760 just gonna play music, you know, like we can't get 1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.519 caught up. And also I think that is just to 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:23.960 to feel woke, you know what I'm saying, but not 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:29.960 actually be it's performing performing I'm doing I'm doing that. Well, No, 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:31.840 I think that's what he wanted to do. I think 1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:34.519 that's just what he wanted to do as a performance. Um, 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:36.960 I don't think that was a statement or anything, because 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:38.559 you know, we would think it would be a statement 1:45:38.600 --> 1:45:40.200 if you didn't make a statement. He said the statement 1:45:40.240 --> 1:45:41.720 was gonna be on stage. So I'm looking at the 1:45:41.760 --> 1:45:47.280 stage like choir and I barely see p J. That's 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:49.120 all right, that's a statement. I think that was a 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:56.559 director cameraman thing, not like, yeah, I feel you. I listen. Yeah, 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:58.920 I got a cut a cut of rehearsal that I saw. 1:45:59.000 --> 1:46:01.800 I was. I was on a little bit more so 1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:04.280 I was surprised when I looked back, I was like, oh, word, 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:08.160 like it's something my hat had listen I played the 1:46:08.200 --> 1:46:16.040 Super Bowl. You didn't admit that the NFL is worse 1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:18.080 than crack because niggas just can't be quitted no matter 1:46:18.160 --> 1:46:23.639 what to dune. Because that's how I feel my well, 1:46:23.760 --> 1:46:27.240 for me, it's I think, I think the NFL is 1:46:27.720 --> 1:46:30.040 something that it's gonna be. It's gonna be interesting to 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:32.160 see how it develops over the next ten fifteen years, 1:46:32.200 --> 1:46:34.880 because what's happening is you're not seeing a lot of 1:46:35.000 --> 1:46:38.000 kids playing football no more like even like with my keys, 1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:43.080 I kind of helped my son basketball and baseball. That's it, 1:46:43.160 --> 1:46:48.240 and really more even more so basketball because baseball, I mean, 1:46:48.280 --> 1:46:50.840 basketball is like social so it's like, you know, they 1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:52.720 want to. You know, they can put their ship up 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:55.720 on I G or whatever. Like my sons they love basketball, 1:46:56.040 --> 1:46:59.840 but football, like that's like some kind of like barbaric ship. 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:02.240 But it would be fun. I mean not for nothing. 1:47:02.280 --> 1:47:03.960 I see what you're saying, like it might die because 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:05.880 it's barbaric, but not because they're just treating niggas like 1:47:05.880 --> 1:47:07.960 we don't give a fun. No. No, I think this 1:47:08.720 --> 1:47:10.280 is gonna have to die out a little bit. I 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:12.080 think I don't think. I think it's less about that. 1:47:12.320 --> 1:47:14.479 To be honest, I know it is. Yeah, it's less 1:47:14.479 --> 1:47:18.680 about what I'm saying. I know it is because how 1:47:18.720 --> 1:47:20.519 many times they have to tell you you don't matter 1:47:20.680 --> 1:47:22.479 to me, Like I don't know, They're do it in 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:24.479 so many different ways. You can't even own a team, nigga, 1:47:24.560 --> 1:47:28.880 you don't match. I mean, at least they fake about them. 1:47:32.439 --> 1:47:34.720 I mean I want did I'm gonna say more for 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:38.120 that than the NBA had the same situation with old 1:47:38.200 --> 1:47:44.680 boy from Sacramento the coach or the owner. Right. I 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:48.200 think the NBA does They do a good job as 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:51.320 far as even just dealing with them in the office. 1:47:51.479 --> 1:47:54.519 Even Chris Paul and like the people who like it's 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:56.840 a different maundset. My thing is just like when I 1:47:56.920 --> 1:47:58.840 see niggas get on that ship, I'm just like, look, man, 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:01.720 you motherfucker's, live your life and let me live. Mind like, 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:04.720 don't speak for other motherfucker's because you don't know what 1:48:04.800 --> 1:48:07.200 they're putting up. So you're asking p J. Morton and 1:48:07.320 --> 1:48:10.040 Moon five don't play the super Bowl. You don't know 1:48:10.160 --> 1:48:12.680 what this band is doing with his super Bowl check. 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:14.760 You don't know how many other people you're supporting. You 1:48:15.280 --> 1:48:17.680 don't know what the gonna have a revolution with that 1:48:17.720 --> 1:48:25.559 way of thought, are just any time in your bank account. 1:48:26.400 --> 1:48:31.360 My thing is petition all the players, petition all the 1:48:31.439 --> 1:48:34.760 players to not play, and then we don't have we 1:48:34.800 --> 1:48:36.960 don't have a super Bowl. Right. But again he goes 1:48:37.000 --> 1:48:38.800 back to my point of NFL is worse than crack. 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:40.439 It's an addiction, and who's going to do with that. 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:43.040 It's not those guys. Those guys are doing a job 1:48:43.280 --> 1:48:47.679 and they get paid in the in the higher three, 1:48:47.840 --> 1:48:49.760 they get paid the least. So it is that too. 1:48:49.800 --> 1:48:51.880 It's like the injuries to pay and what the NFL 1:48:52.040 --> 1:48:55.320 versus the in the MLB and the fucking NBA. It's 1:48:55.360 --> 1:48:57.439 just totally different game. The money game is different. No 1:48:57.520 --> 1:49:00.400 it is yeah, no, no no. And the treat the 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:02.880 treatment is different. I mean, NBA, if you get hurt, 1:49:02.880 --> 1:49:04.920 you're gonna sit on that bench and still collect your check. 1:49:05.120 --> 1:49:08.240 I get that part. But sometimes that's when I heard 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:10.719 somebody talk about it, and they talk about the injuries, 1:49:10.800 --> 1:49:14.479 even I think, uh my boy from Oakland, Um, But 1:49:14.720 --> 1:49:16.560 but when he was like, but if this is my 1:49:16.720 --> 1:49:19.120 shot to take care of my family and do all 1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:21.960 of this, let me let me do that. How do 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:24.080 you fight that? How you can't? I tell you how 1:49:24.160 --> 1:49:26.479 you do it? You blame a round five and say 1:49:26.560 --> 1:49:28.720 y'all shouldn't play that halftime. So you know what I'm saying, 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:31.880 because because then, because because because you don't have you 1:49:31.960 --> 1:49:33.960 don't have it in you to be like, don't play football, 1:49:34.000 --> 1:49:35.920 don't do your job, don't feed your kids. So hey, 1:49:36.400 --> 1:49:39.000 big band that's playing the halftime show for twelve minutes, 1:49:39.360 --> 1:49:42.400 y'all be the ones to disrupt this old thing and 1:49:42.680 --> 1:49:46.000 and boycott nevertis just paying all this money to put 1:49:46.040 --> 1:49:48.200 it out on the show. We're not going to boycott you. 1:49:48.280 --> 1:49:59.439 But talking about PEPSI yeah, you're I don't care what 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:01.360 we do is it. I don't care if t Linty 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:06.200 owned slaves. Now we are not boycott. I don't know. 1:50:06.280 --> 1:50:09.840 It's like it's like Specier ship and the clear thing 1:50:09.920 --> 1:50:17.240 with the brown top. Yeah that's what it was called neither. 1:50:17.320 --> 1:50:25.240 I never knew how pronouncing the fancy with Yeah, that's something. 1:50:25.280 --> 1:50:35.880 But I pray they don't do nothing wrong. Yeah, no, 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:37.880 it's listen. I guess my thing is just like, look, 1:50:37.920 --> 1:50:41.320 we live in America. This America was founded by racist 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:43.920 white people that felt like you niggas ain't ship worked 1:50:43.920 --> 1:50:46.680 for us. So anything you do, any industry you work in, 1:50:46.760 --> 1:50:49.680 whatever you do, it goes back to the original sin 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:54.240 so asked niggas the boycotting look nigga like. But that's 1:50:54.240 --> 1:50:57.760 the thing. I was in a weird position because I 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:01.160 was boycotting and still didn't know what to do. I 1:51:01.200 --> 1:51:04.479 didn't still did Colin didn't call you, He still didn't say, like, listen, 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:07.880 when Eric read signed to the Panthers, I'm like, it's 1:51:07.920 --> 1:51:10.120 kind of over. I'm like, what do we what are 1:51:10.160 --> 1:51:15.599 we doing? Apparently every time it comes out that they 1:51:15.640 --> 1:51:18.080 say he doesn't really want to play, I see people 1:51:18.160 --> 1:51:20.719 come out. My buddy Shaun King saying that is not true. 1:51:21.040 --> 1:51:24.280 He wants to play. He's working out every day. So 1:51:25.520 --> 1:51:28.120 to be honest with you, I'm kind of confused, you 1:51:28.160 --> 1:51:30.840 know what I'm saying, Like genuinely, as a supporter of 1:51:30.920 --> 1:51:33.680 the movement, I didn't know where to go, and I'm like, 1:51:34.320 --> 1:51:39.080 what are we doing? Like so rees playing, we congratulate that. 1:51:39.160 --> 1:51:41.280 I saw people congratulate him from making a stand and 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:46.479 coming and coming back and he still kneels every game. Yeah, 1:51:46.640 --> 1:51:50.200 I'm just no disruption really yeah, you know, I mean 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:52.920 cap Is is the face of the movement and you 1:51:53.000 --> 1:51:55.640 know so, but people aren't gonna be happy until the 1:51:55.720 --> 1:51:57.479 face has got a job. I know. But what I'm 1:51:57.520 --> 1:51:59.519 saying is cap tell me what to do after air 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:03.559 Reed get signed, like he didn't need to say or somebody. 1:52:03.880 --> 1:52:06.920 There's no there's a lack of leadership there. And I'm 1:52:06.960 --> 1:52:09.240 saying that as a supporter like that was That's why 1:52:09.280 --> 1:52:11.240 I got offended because I'm like, oh, you're petitioning me. 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:13.920 I bet you've been watching football every week. I've been 1:52:13.960 --> 1:52:16.720 sacrificing not watching football, and you want to petition me, 1:52:17.120 --> 1:52:19.400 you know what I'm saying. So it was it was 1:52:20.120 --> 1:52:21.920 let's not forget it ain't all about him neither, because 1:52:21.920 --> 1:52:23.720 it was all about what he was really nailing forward 1:52:23.760 --> 1:52:27.559 to what you got past that? Right, So what I'm saying, 1:52:28.240 --> 1:52:29.960 But what I'm saying is I could. I could do 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:34.280 my job and be against police brutality and be against 1:52:34.680 --> 1:52:37.720 and before peacefully protesting. I can support. I can do 1:52:37.840 --> 1:52:41.360 both of those contain multitudes, niggers. I can do all 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:47.519 that ship at the same damn time. Yet if everybody 1:52:47.600 --> 1:52:53.240 just logged off social media, it's that I'm waiting, Yeah, 1:52:53.560 --> 1:52:57.280 we damn can we can we have a chance? Can 1:52:57.360 --> 1:52:59.120 I do this? No, you can't do it. You can't 1:52:59.120 --> 1:53:01.120 do it. You got you too addicted. You are too addicted. 1:53:04.680 --> 1:53:13.439 Excuse me, challenge accepted. What we're really saying, what we're saying, 1:53:13.520 --> 1:53:15.599 I'm saying your stories be like Michael X the movie 1:53:16.080 --> 1:53:20.760 saying the babies. So what we're saying is that you're 1:53:20.760 --> 1:53:23.240 going you're gonna know how important Rodney Allen Rippy was 1:53:24.240 --> 1:53:27.280 not that. This is what you're saying is you're not 1:53:27.320 --> 1:53:29.240 going to be on social media till this episode air's 1:53:29.320 --> 1:53:31.360 Is that what you're saying. I don't think he can 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:35.160 afford to do that. So I waited at the break 1:53:35.200 --> 1:53:37.000 while I canna be working on an album. I did 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:38.840 like a month and all of that. When it is 1:53:38.920 --> 1:53:40.880 time to I guess you get you can get your 1:53:40.920 --> 1:53:43.519 people to It doesn't feel the same though, I'll tell 1:53:43.520 --> 1:53:49.200 you this much. I only do it really a majority 1:53:49.240 --> 1:53:54.320 of my interaction. It's during the show when I'm bored 1:53:55.439 --> 1:54:03.000 my computers. Partly, what's a part of the problem with 1:54:03.120 --> 1:54:05.680 social media is just having access to people's thoughts all 1:54:05.760 --> 1:54:10.400 the time in your pocket and just be digging in 1:54:10.479 --> 1:54:13.200 your pocket all time, just reading some random motherfucker thinks 1:54:13.720 --> 1:54:15.800 any time of the day. That's not healthy. You don't 1:54:15.800 --> 1:54:18.320 need that ship in your life. You don't like there's 1:54:18.320 --> 1:54:21.200 like a psychological I think like some scientists like broke 1:54:21.280 --> 1:54:23.600 this paper is like basically like we only have the capacity. 1:54:23.680 --> 1:54:26.439 I think it's something around like it's like thirty to 1:54:26.560 --> 1:54:29.960 fifty people. That's like the most that your brain can handle. 1:54:30.000 --> 1:54:31.720 It's not even that, it's just mostly people are just 1:54:31.800 --> 1:54:34.200 full of ship. Can you give them a platform where 1:54:34.200 --> 1:54:36.879 they can say whatever? The option to freeze our accounts. 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:41.320 You can deactivate, man, don't you You could just be 1:54:41.480 --> 1:54:43.800 off just don't race it off your phone and like 1:54:44.760 --> 1:54:47.160 a freeze option. No, you don't. You don't. You don't 1:54:47.160 --> 1:54:49.960 have to do it. Doesn't like whet a social diet, 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:52.040 that's what you do. Just delete the app from your 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:54.960 phone and don't log on your on your computer. But 1:54:55.000 --> 1:54:59.840 then who's going to I wanted this to be a 1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:02.600 want this to be a QLs challenge. Dude, it's not 1:55:02.720 --> 1:55:07.800 gonna happen. You do it for a month, wen, I'm 1:55:07.840 --> 1:55:10.160 like two months deep already, so I don't have any 1:55:10.200 --> 1:55:13.280 friends in the I can do it usually usually when 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:16.280 I get in trouble. Usually when I get in trouble, 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:20.000 I can freeze. You can tell when a mirrors in trouble. 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:22.600 Usually you don't see a post from me from like 1:55:22.640 --> 1:55:29.680 a week and two. I gotta So I don't think 1:55:29.760 --> 1:55:31.560 I take a quit Twitter. I don't think he could. 1:55:31.840 --> 1:55:34.640 I mean, I listen, I want to quit all this ship, 1:55:35.240 --> 1:55:37.680 but I gotta. I got out to sale. So like 1:55:39.160 --> 1:55:41.600 ship loll off, you ain't got to interact with them. 1:55:41.640 --> 1:55:44.560 But I don't interact as much as I used to 1:55:44.800 --> 1:55:48.000 for the very reason that you visit like we've all 1:55:48.040 --> 1:55:55.560 slowed down significantly. Yeah, pick up stick. Wait wait, this 1:55:55.720 --> 1:55:57.760 leads back to the very beginning of the show. I 1:55:57.840 --> 1:56:01.240 saw something very weird on the Sugar Network yesterday. I 1:56:01.320 --> 1:56:04.920 was singing Barry Manolo again. No, I'm just saying that 1:56:05.520 --> 1:56:09.120 it was knowing no this one time, not even yesterday, 1:56:09.160 --> 1:56:21.960 but back in February. Great, great word right, one of 1:56:22.040 --> 1:56:25.320 the Sugar Network dude was out. I swear to It 1:56:25.400 --> 1:56:27.880 was cold as hell, it was icy, it was cold, 1:56:27.920 --> 1:56:33.600 it was like sleep outside, and like he opted to 1:56:33.720 --> 1:56:37.280 do his his own network under your network or whatever 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:41.640 it was. Wait, you're really in the network, yeah, Robbie 1:56:42.400 --> 1:56:45.800 let Yeah, I don't know if that's what you're talking about, 1:56:45.800 --> 1:56:51.560 But can he just continue to tell that woman, I 1:56:51.640 --> 1:57:00.840 didn't even know that you knew who come twice? No, 1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:06.680 that's I realized that when he'd rather stand outside like 1:57:06.840 --> 1:57:11.680 twenty degree freezing weather instead of staying inside the warm 1:57:11.880 --> 1:57:16.440 where you know Shakeenheimer. You m yeah, Like that's what 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:19.320 I knew that this is bad. People on the Sugar 1:57:19.400 --> 1:57:22.040 Network will walk to the ends of the frozen earth 1:57:22.160 --> 1:57:27.640 for Sugar Steve. That's what I love it. Man. Okay, 1:57:27.720 --> 1:57:31.120 My closest question, what do you what do you what 1:57:31.240 --> 1:57:35.880 do your future players wait before anything? Yeah? What was 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:39.200 it like we're doing with your hero Stevie wonder Man. 1:57:39.880 --> 1:57:42.240 Um So, like I said, I worked with him on 1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:45.080 the Young Money album, but that was kind of like 1:57:45.680 --> 1:57:50.440 so much money question to ask you, So just young 1:57:50.560 --> 1:57:54.400 Money wasn't as random as it. Young money not cash money. 1:57:56.800 --> 1:57:59.960 It's the same thing. Yeah, all my everything. You still 1:58:00.360 --> 1:58:07.880 had any issues east So mcmahin the president was we 1:58:07.920 --> 1:58:10.960 went to high school together, the president of Young Money 1:58:11.600 --> 1:58:15.920 that yeah, um and was all throughout that whole Drake Nikki, 1:58:17.560 --> 1:58:21.040 but we went to high school together and so he 1:58:21.280 --> 1:58:23.800 was like a fan of mine. And when Wayne was 1:58:23.920 --> 1:58:25.880 locked up, when we started to talk about it and 1:58:26.000 --> 1:58:28.880 you just got out. But I think they were in 1:58:29.000 --> 1:58:32.520 a way kind of trying to open it up, you 1:58:32.560 --> 1:58:35.280 know what I'm saying, and make it your prestige exactly. 1:58:35.680 --> 1:58:38.360 You know, they were trying to diversify, and um so 1:58:38.560 --> 1:58:41.120 I was in an effort to do that. Um and 1:58:41.200 --> 1:58:44.520 I managed to release an album in a year, and 1:58:45.120 --> 1:58:49.080 you gotta add out for mcmaintie. For a lot of people, 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:56.200 weren't the last two albums on yeah yeah. Um, anyways, 1:58:56.840 --> 1:58:58.640 I don't remember why I went back to Young Money. 1:58:58.840 --> 1:59:01.880 Oh oh Stevie so so that song, but we we 1:59:02.000 --> 1:59:05.040 didn't really connect and it felt really real this time 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:09.320 Christmas when I did his show, because I really played 1:59:09.440 --> 1:59:13.160 with him the toy opening. Yeah, but we we we 1:59:13.400 --> 1:59:18.520 like actually we actually sang and I played on his piano. 1:59:18.680 --> 1:59:20.560 He was on the on the road, on the on 1:59:20.640 --> 1:59:24.800 the keyboard, and it's just, I mean, he's literally the 1:59:24.920 --> 1:59:28.160 reason I'm doing it, you know, the reason I wanted 1:59:28.240 --> 1:59:31.840 to do this right, and and so you know, I 1:59:32.000 --> 1:59:35.400 used to kind of like shy away from the Stevie 1:59:35.480 --> 1:59:38.200 and me right because I didn't want people to be like, yo, 1:59:38.280 --> 1:59:41.000 he's trying, he's trying to copy Stevie. But I listened. 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:44.320 I went on. I was obsessive when I was thirteen, 1:59:45.000 --> 1:59:46.960 and I would go to the Circuit City and buy 1:59:47.280 --> 1:59:50.840 in chronological order, every CD, every Stevie CD a week, 1:59:50.920 --> 1:59:56.920 every issue. Yeah, I just three is easy to go. 1:59:57.000 --> 2:00:00.160 Top three intervision music of my mind, um, with the 2:00:00.200 --> 2:00:04.760 classes where I'm coming from probably um. But so, so 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:06.640 I was listening, and this is before I was writing 2:00:06.640 --> 2:00:09.200 any songs, before I was really really playing. And then 2:00:09.280 --> 2:00:12.240 once once I started to write, I just started I 2:00:12.320 --> 2:00:15.160 was doing stuff like Stevie. But for years I kind 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:17.520 of tried to mute that a little bit. This last 2:00:17.600 --> 2:00:19.640 run is when I was just like, man, I'm gonna 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:21.480 just do what I feel, you know, And I think 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:25.600 that authentic me is part of the reason why, you know, 2:00:25.840 --> 2:00:29.600 things things started to look up this time around, you know. 2:00:30.520 --> 2:00:32.480 And then when Stevie gave me a stamp of approval, 2:00:32.880 --> 2:00:34.960 Stevie just told me he wished he wrote my song. 2:00:35.120 --> 2:00:37.800 First beginning, well, he played They played Crazy on his 2:00:37.840 --> 2:00:41.400 station too, Yeah, yeah, they've always supported yeah. But but 2:00:41.480 --> 2:00:43.040 when I played it, he walked up to me, he 2:00:43.120 --> 2:00:44.640 was like, man, I wish I wrote that song. So 2:00:45.040 --> 2:00:47.280 when when Stevie and then being on my record, you know, 2:00:47.440 --> 2:00:49.440 he's not on a lot of people's records, you know, 2:00:49.960 --> 2:00:51.320 so when he gave me the stamp, I was like, 2:00:51.360 --> 2:00:53.400 I don't care about these other people, like I'm gonna 2:00:53.400 --> 2:00:55.480 just beat me. I'm his son in a way. You know, 2:00:55.560 --> 2:00:59.760 it's no different thing speaking of Stevie on other people's records. 2:00:59.800 --> 2:01:01.600 I heard of rumors that if you asked Stevie to 2:01:01.840 --> 2:01:03.760 just play harmonica on the record, he'll do it, no 2:01:03.920 --> 2:01:05.840 questions asked, just because he wants to hear more harmonic 2:01:05.920 --> 2:01:10.240 on the radio. Maybe because he played harmonic on my record, 2:01:11.800 --> 2:01:16.480 he didn't sing so so maybe so yeah, the uh 2:01:16.800 --> 2:01:19.920 if you want to know a funny story, you gotta 2:01:19.960 --> 2:01:26.400 look up Rick James speaking about uh, Mr Policeman the 2:01:26.760 --> 2:01:30.720 last on side one of Street Songs cursing out Stevie 2:01:30.800 --> 2:01:37.160 Wonder over the harmonica solo. Very hilarious story. So now 2:01:37.240 --> 2:01:40.040 I'm gonna ask, what what is your your your two 2:01:40.080 --> 2:01:43.200 thousand nineteen plays your goals? Well, I moved back to 2:01:43.280 --> 2:01:45.920 New Orleans like three years ago, and um like I 2:01:46.000 --> 2:01:47.960 told you about the Buddy Bowden House, but also I 2:01:48.040 --> 2:01:51.760 started Morton Records, and it's kind of because I saw 2:01:51.840 --> 2:01:55.680 the same business music business infrastructure that didn't exist when 2:01:55.680 --> 2:01:57.680 I was there, and the reason I had to leave 2:01:58.040 --> 2:02:00.920 was still kind of there. And um so I've started 2:02:00.960 --> 2:02:03.720 to focus on that focus on some New Orleans talent 2:02:03.880 --> 2:02:06.880 and some outside my background singers though more's I'm about 2:02:06.880 --> 2:02:09.480 to put out a record on all yeah, um so, 2:02:09.840 --> 2:02:11.720 a lot of it is is me focusing on some 2:02:11.840 --> 2:02:13.920 acts outside of me. There's just rapper three D Nat 2:02:14.480 --> 2:02:16.200 in New Orleans too that I'm about to do a 2:02:16.280 --> 2:02:20.520 record on and um yeah so so and I'm gonna 2:02:20.520 --> 2:02:23.400 do another record this year, but that's that's my main 2:02:23.480 --> 2:02:25.840 focus is trying to get more than records. I mean, shoot, 2:02:25.920 --> 2:02:28.720 my little indie labels got up a Grammy already. You 2:02:28.760 --> 2:02:32.160 know what I'm saying, we did already. Yeah, so I'm 2:02:32.320 --> 2:02:34.440 just trying to keep that going and really build the city. 2:02:34.480 --> 2:02:37.560 I'm I'm about to um open up this compound in 2:02:37.640 --> 2:02:40.960 New Orleans, uh Gumbo Studios, and you know it's gonna 2:02:41.000 --> 2:02:43.840 be a couple of rehearsal studios in there. When is 2:02:43.880 --> 2:02:45.560 that we're gonna because we need to do some New 2:02:45.680 --> 2:02:51.160 Orleans shows, you know when this is. But but whenever 2:02:51.240 --> 2:02:59.320 y'all come hit me up already Yeah, Okay, maybe as 2:03:00.040 --> 2:03:04.360 has New Orleans whatever it was weird, has New Orleans 2:03:04.640 --> 2:03:09.200 totally recovered from it's post Katrina. I think it's just 2:03:09.360 --> 2:03:13.400 turning that corner right now, like I feel like thirteen years, 2:03:13.480 --> 2:03:16.400 I think it's just starting because part of the thing 2:03:16.520 --> 2:03:19.360 that makes New Orleans is like the people, the energy 2:03:19.440 --> 2:03:22.320 from the people, right, and so the people were gone 2:03:22.440 --> 2:03:25.240 for so long that and it was just shell shock, 2:03:25.400 --> 2:03:29.440 Like yeah, it's hard to explain that experience, like of 2:03:29.560 --> 2:03:32.920 having to leave your whole city and seeing everybody gone. 2:03:33.440 --> 2:03:37.120 I think there wasn't enough attention on the mental aspect 2:03:37.160 --> 2:03:41.440 of that kids. My little sister like in her senior 2:03:41.520 --> 2:03:43.960 year in high school, having to go to Atlanta and 2:03:44.120 --> 2:03:46.920 go to another school and leave all her friends and 2:03:47.040 --> 2:03:49.160 then want to go home to New Orleans so bad 2:03:49.240 --> 2:03:51.640 that she goes back and her friends aren't even there. 2:03:51.920 --> 2:03:54.800 So then she finished. So it was this trauma man, 2:03:55.040 --> 2:03:57.560 you know. Um, but now I feel like it's just 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:00.240 starting to turn the corner and we're getting back to us. 2:04:00.360 --> 2:04:05.160 It feels like that now, you know, yeah, crazy well 2:04:05.360 --> 2:04:08.240 you know, ear's ears to you rebuilding the city and 2:04:08.400 --> 2:04:10.960 bringing it back, trying to do my my my little part. 2:04:11.320 --> 2:04:13.760 All right, that's all you can do, all right, brother Morton, 2:04:14.000 --> 2:04:16.640 We thank you for coming on the show. Thank y'all. 2:04:16.760 --> 2:04:19.480 Thank you man. Like I just wanted to just just 2:04:19.640 --> 2:04:21.880 from you. Man, I've seen your grind like i've seen 2:04:22.280 --> 2:04:23.680 I mean, like I said, you know teen years ago 2:04:23.760 --> 2:04:26.760 that was presor just salute to you man, just what 2:04:26.880 --> 2:04:29.480 you just the way you've been able to move just 2:04:29.600 --> 2:04:31.800 going from like I know how hard it is, you 2:04:31.840 --> 2:04:34.840 know to reinvent yourself and do like so no, no brother, 2:04:34.960 --> 2:04:37.720 just respect, salute you must love and thank you man, 2:04:37.760 --> 2:04:39.920 appreciate that and thank you for going back home, because 2:04:39.920 --> 2:04:41.760 if more artists went back home to their hometowns and 2:04:41.880 --> 2:04:44.200 built it up, and you know, we have some better cities, 2:04:44.280 --> 2:04:47.280 build it up, build it, I build it. I built 2:04:47.280 --> 2:04:49.840 it out, thanking a gamble, damn see the sun. That 2:04:49.920 --> 2:05:00.400 came to my mind was we built this, Oh God, Indiana, 2:05:04.040 --> 2:05:14.840 and now it's solid anyway. It's like Fonte and and 2:05:15.000 --> 2:05:19.400 Sugar Stephen Boss building unpaid bills somewhere children, Grover's smoking 2:05:19.400 --> 2:05:23.800 a split on Sesame Street, cussing up a store. P J. Morton, 2:05:23.840 --> 2:05:26.000 thank you very much for coming on the show, and 2:05:26.440 --> 2:05:28.200 we will see you on the next go round. Of course, 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:41.560 Love Supria Course, Love Supreme is a production of My 2:05:41.720 --> 2:05:45.120 Heart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team 2:05:45.360 --> 2:05:50.800 at Pandora. For more podcasts for my heart Radio, visit 2:05:50.840 --> 2:05:54.000 the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you 2:05:54.080 --> 2:05:55.240 listen to your favorite shows.