Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.
Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? This is Quess Love and this is
Speaker 1: another q lest classic. This episode, we talk to our
Speaker 1: pal p J. Morton, member of Broom five Monster in
Speaker 1: his own right Grammy winner, and he talks about his
Speaker 1: journey uh for being a preacher's kid in New Orleans
Speaker 1: to uh world domination. You know it should be quite dope.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it all right starting, Oh God,
Speaker 1: here we go. Su Primo roll call, Surema, su Premo
Speaker 1: role called sub primam roll call, Soma roll call, tenants
Speaker 1: pool Yeah, Rocket Simmons shoes signs from the heaven above. Ye,
Speaker 1: some water. Primo road call. My name is Fonte. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kicking my game. Yeah where everybody, Yeah knows my name.
Speaker 1: Prima road call, some Prima Prima road here whole Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know I'm no sucker. Yeah yeah. Oh that
Speaker 1: hurt like a motherfucker. Some Primo road Sorry you Prema
Speaker 1: road call. My name is Sugar, Yeah, yes, please, yeah,
Speaker 1: won't you come? Ye put it down on me. Cama
Speaker 1: road call. Some Prima road call. It's like yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm all of that yeah with my boy PJ. Yeah
Speaker 1: who that who that din me tell you you have
Speaker 1: to do this? My name is p J. I could
Speaker 1: just scream yeah, I finally made it quest love to
Speaker 1: bring something roll roll. So wait, so let me get
Speaker 1: it correct. You knew what you had to do on
Speaker 1: this theme. Yeah, so it's it's taking us one hundred
Speaker 1: plus episodes to get someone on the show that listens
Speaker 1: to our show, I mean the first twenty and so
Speaker 1: we can excuse him because you know, no, it's just
Speaker 1: usually what what what listeners of our show don't know
Speaker 1: is that no one is warned, you know, and they
Speaker 1: don't listen. And PJ is actually like the first person
Speaker 1: who actually listened. I take that we might have our
Speaker 1: first music nerd. Actually the wait, we've done over a
Speaker 1: hundred and this dude don't know what ordered roll calls in. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: seems it seems like we was just going around in
Speaker 1: the circle. Yeah, because that's how we always deal with Well,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have sent me in the seat, you should
Speaker 1: have sent me where you were sitting. You got here
Speaker 1: early ones like oh I'm the boss, I'm boss, Steve
Speaker 1: Clear you're gonna bos'n that. Wait, you know what not
Speaker 1: Sugar Network? Right? One year? Got a year? Right? One year?
Speaker 1: Like a month ago? Yeah? Month? Yeah? Yeah, congratulations Steve,
Speaker 1: thank you. So what what developments have occurred in the
Speaker 1: Sugar Network? You know, the same as usual. We just
Speaker 1: continue to grow, thanks to thanks. I saw some weird
Speaker 1: last night. Yeah in grep Times. What was that? As
Speaker 1: an electric circus? Was so dope? Yeah, one of the
Speaker 1: one of the Sugar celebrities, Soldier, made that for network
Speaker 1: to celebrate the first year. It's very cool graphics. It
Speaker 1: was dope. It was it was everybody else on the
Speaker 1: team except me and that I know. You want to
Speaker 1: Bill that wasn't there either. You guys got to participate more.
Speaker 1: Those are like the major select that hit him alive,
Speaker 1: don't I'm I'm on social media completely now, So how's
Speaker 1: that going? How's your social media fast? Is it? Because
Speaker 1: on the group chat I made a reference to a
Speaker 1: few things that you didn't know about, And you know what,
Speaker 1: I have no no fear of missing out. I don't care, really,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Hopefully really hopening up to the world
Speaker 1: these days, then I guess hopefully more people will follow
Speaker 1: the suit, you know, actually get stuff done on time.
Speaker 1: Now you know that I can actually sit through a
Speaker 1: television show and know what's happening. I wonder, but you
Speaker 1: don't get tempted or all to look at trending topics
Speaker 1: or no, I don't give a ship. That's why I quit.
Speaker 1: That's why I quit in the first place, because I
Speaker 1: looked at all this and I was like, I don't care. Wait,
Speaker 1: back in the December, you told you just dropping your Facebook.
Speaker 1: It was you think I was gonna drop everything once
Speaker 1: and then you know, have shocking and go out and
Speaker 1: steps like, actually, the way you're looking right now, that's
Speaker 1: why I'm sitting because like, yeah, it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I quit Facebook because that was easy to do because
Speaker 1: most most people, you know, I know everybody I keep
Speaker 1: family on Facebook. I don't even keep family on Facebook.
Speaker 1: That would have been too much, y'all would have y'all
Speaker 1: would have unfriended me a long time ago. Um, But
Speaker 1: you know, Twitter I hardly ever used, so it was
Speaker 1: easy to just hit the delete button on that. Instagram
Speaker 1: was probably the hardest. How do they do they delete?
Speaker 1: Is it like are you sure click? Are you really
Speaker 1: sure click? I mean I I downloaded all my information,
Speaker 1: so you know, if I get all missy eyed for
Speaker 1: the days of Twitter your I can go back and
Speaker 1: read some bullshit. Okay, so wait it lets you download.
Speaker 1: You can download you you can download everything, really because
Speaker 1: it saves everything. It saves everything. It's the Internet. Nothing
Speaker 1: is deleted. You can download what Twitter and Instagment and
Speaker 1: Facebook and Instagram. You can download all that ship Okay,
Speaker 1: I would like to revisit my old m hmm. Maybe
Speaker 1: I need to do that, mm hmm, just in case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want job number twenty five. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: That's That's what I mean. Sort of make sure I'm straight.
Speaker 1: I caught out there, not caught out there. Um wait,
Speaker 1: did you want to, oh, tell me something? I had
Speaker 1: a story. I don't worry, sir, Like you should know
Speaker 1: the drill since your fans jump in. This is something
Speaker 1: that as soon as it happened, I wanted to tell you,
Speaker 1: but I was like, Yo, we're taking a show tonight.
Speaker 1: I need to put this on the air. Oh no,
Speaker 1: what did I do? Wait? Did I do something? No?
Speaker 1: You were just on television and my mama wasn't was watching. Okay,
Speaker 1: my phone rings okay, junior, what's this let's see on
Speaker 1: television with quest Love and his daughter? Who is his daughter? What? Mom?
Speaker 1: He ain't got no daughter. He he's he's on here
Speaker 1: getting helping her get her wedding dress for her wedding.
Speaker 1: I was like, Mama, that's his sister. First reactions like
Speaker 1: congrat Don Thompson, who is unless you lead the older sister.
Speaker 1: But you know, we don't know. I'm looking. I'm a
Speaker 1: quote big brother three hundred plus. My mom thought your
Speaker 1: sister was your daughter. Just thanks, I appreciate that. Thank you?
Speaker 1: When did she? When did you get married? Three times ago?
Speaker 1: We shouted six seven years ago, right ago, seven thousand fourteen.
Speaker 1: My dad was still alive, so made me like yeah,
Speaker 1: two December two thousand fourteen. Yeah, oh wow. He also said,
Speaker 1: shout out guarantee of more. Uh yeah, that my daughter.
Speaker 1: Apparently I haven't laughed that hard and so long like me,
Speaker 1: and like you had. We had a conference call right afterwards,
Speaker 1: and why I got on the phone. I was still laughing.
Speaker 1: She really meant that. Damn. Then I look that old.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh here's a killer. And she's like
Speaker 1: she had one more thing to say and you know what,
Speaker 1: he had the nerve to be at that winning with
Speaker 1: that dog. Don't pick in his hair. Older people should
Speaker 1: haven't adjusted to that. Yeah, that's a prep and you
Speaker 1: that's a part of your fit. Apparently you know Cindy
Speaker 1: Lou at work, Steve the other job we have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her mom about rest in Pisa. People die, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Her mom says, uh, she always calls it
Speaker 1: a fork, keep that fork. And I gave her the
Speaker 1: fork for Christmas, just you know, because she's not a
Speaker 1: new girl. Yeah she's Yeah, she's Asian. Okay, uses waiting
Speaker 1: for the other one. Yeah, black black, I forgot it's
Speaker 1: been i'ven't seen you guys. And you should have dropped
Speaker 1: Bill's match it a minute ago because he was angry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry about that anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of Quest Love Supreme. We are we are here.
Speaker 1: We gather it here today. We're here with no Orlans
Speaker 1: Nolan Zone. Can I say no Orlans Sure you can't?
Speaker 1: Okay by Nolan Zone, Grammy Award winning, winning, winning, we
Speaker 1: will we will say the hot sauce to Maroon five
Speaker 1: take a salad gumbo wearing in the Mustard Greens too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, I'm the only Marone in my road. So
Speaker 1: my dad have you. Yeah. I was like to say,
Speaker 1: has anyone ever said that to you? Oh? My dad
Speaker 1: look like you? When they said yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: Oh no, it didn't come from No. Ladies and gentleman,
Speaker 1: please welcome from the show. And apparently, uh lover of
Speaker 1: the show, our first one, p J Borton. I talked
Speaker 1: to him. I talked to Gregg filling games today and
Speaker 1: it was because of the show that I knew, you know,
Speaker 1: his history, and he was from the Stevie School and
Speaker 1: I'm doing something with them, and I was like, he
Speaker 1: was playing first be game while I was on the
Speaker 1: phone my song and he was saying, I told him
Speaker 1: I went to the Stevie School. Indirectly he went to
Speaker 1: the real Stevie School. But yeah, that was this show
Speaker 1: that connected me to that. Yeah, like that that great
Speaker 1: episode is probably I mean, we we all hold the
Speaker 1: Jimmy jam episode in highlight, but I'll say that the
Speaker 1: Greg episode probably my second favorite. Yeah. It was a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of show of art. Yeah, it's edgy mccational
Speaker 1: and he got great energy energy. It's crazy. Yes, great
Speaker 1: natural energy. So wait, I gotta ask uh having won
Speaker 1: that Grammy and that's your first grand because that's my first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, this this is funny. I actually didn't. I
Speaker 1: thought I want to Grammy. We're doing a performance and
Speaker 1: said a song No. I wrote on ind i re
Speaker 1: S album. My first major placement was in college when
Speaker 1: I was at Moorhouse and um bet she won Best
Speaker 1: R and B Album and and for years I thought,
Speaker 1: because I wrote and produced on that album, man, that
Speaker 1: I was a Grammy Award winner. And it wasn't until
Speaker 1: I became a governor of the Memphis Chapter and I
Speaker 1: was that they were like, yeah, you know, you haven't
Speaker 1: actually yeah a little yeah, I got the but this
Speaker 1: is my first trophy, you know, but I didn't even know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good night, or at least you learned that way. I
Speaker 1: learned in front of all radio city music all oh no,
Speaker 1: all right, you So you remember the night when Old
Speaker 1: Dirty got on stage and wu tanks for the children,
Speaker 1: a lot of money, a lot of money and the
Speaker 1: the the Sway Bomb Bob Dylan Knight wasn't and Aretha
Speaker 1: Franklin taking over for prop um so Erica had one
Speaker 1: album for bobois m And we didn't realize that with
Speaker 1: the non main categories, even though they even have a
Speaker 1: pop category, with the non main categories, that there's amount
Speaker 1: of goal post moving that happens and the worst. I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of these rules were established because of the
Speaker 1: amount of samples and writers, you know, like again like
Speaker 1: if if uh, I remember last year when Kanye was
Speaker 1: up for him for all day, all day, like Paul
Speaker 1: McCartney and all these other people, Like even then you're
Speaker 1: only limited to uh, I think only seventeen are allowed
Speaker 1: to officially grab one. But whatever the case was, like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the people can win one award
Speaker 1: well for when the big ones right, like album or something,
Speaker 1: Well for uh, I'm about to say, I don't want
Speaker 1: to insult him by saying, Mr Kylie Jenner, Uh, Travis Scott,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. This is the only way I could have said.
Speaker 1: I couldn't say it's that Rocky. I don't know. Wait,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys been knowing, but TMZ
Speaker 1: has been trolling asap kind of hard, like wherever he goes,
Speaker 1: then they have a camera, like hey, Travis Scott, publicism
Speaker 1: just you know, tip them off. No, literally, like the
Speaker 1: fun of following TMZ now on social media. I know
Speaker 1: you're off that now is watching tmz uh post up
Speaker 1: another a SAP guiding movement. Yeah, it's they found something
Speaker 1: viral that works. Okay, Yeah, so they're gonna overdo it
Speaker 1: all right, I got it. Of course, you know TMC
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. But with Travis Uh, there were over
Speaker 1: thirty writers for umio mode, but they have to figure
Speaker 1: out the sevent um. Everybody's Sicko Mode is actually technically
Speaker 1: four songs and Malcolm maated into one. All that publishing
Speaker 1: you ain't getting listen. Yeah, like the Drake part of
Speaker 1: the beginning. I know you probably never heard of single mode,
Speaker 1: No I haven't, okay exactly. The Drake part of it
Speaker 1: was a whole another song that was done by like
Speaker 1: six people. And then because well and also because someone
Speaker 1: I don't get about modern hip hop, where even if
Speaker 1: they give a reference to a song, has it just
Speaker 1: turned into the literally just says give me the loop,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden like Biggie and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And then he made uh a tribe reference and all
Speaker 1: of them got from that song, and then what like
Speaker 1: a k Luke right, Yeah, I stop getting get it
Speaker 1: or not right? So literally, literally somebody just needs to
Speaker 1: come to all these cats, stop giving your publish in
Speaker 1: a way, come up with something originally, or you're gonna
Speaker 1: be broke for the rest of your life. It's like
Speaker 1: a hip hop but Himan Rhapsody, but without like just
Speaker 1: a few writers writing. Are you guys telling me like,
Speaker 1: basically hip hop is now the modern day brill building
Speaker 1: even Yeah, well I'm not. I'm not. I'm talking where
Speaker 1: you got basically just a whole bunch of people writing
Speaker 1: ship songs written by committee. Oh no, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah, it's very
Speaker 1: few people you'll see that actually work by themselves with
Speaker 1: small groups like everything. Whenever you hear like or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: check the credits. I will, but I'm just going gott
Speaker 1: to buy the album first. So Jimmy Jimmy Jan was
Speaker 1: basically saying, it's problematic trying to figure out which one
Speaker 1: of the seventeen will get an award. The killing killing
Speaker 1: the business, that's not no, they're killing their own business.
Speaker 1: Ye just fine, yeah, because they wanted that. How many
Speaker 1: writers on the Casey mustgraz is album gonna look that up,
Speaker 1: like just okay, I didn't even get my point out.
Speaker 1: So my point was when Erica one yeah, and they
Speaker 1: were like down, They're like, and I was like, but
Speaker 1: produced this record? You one? But you didn't. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: I was headed on the stage. And then that's when
Speaker 1: they told me afterwards that um, we would have to
Speaker 1: produce yeah, because I think that's the same thing ninety seven.
Speaker 1: And then after hip hop really took over the Grammys,
Speaker 1: then it was like, yeah, so statues got got expensive
Speaker 1: to produce. Huh right, right? Can I ask you all
Speaker 1: the question? And this might not be politically correct, see
Speaker 1: and it's Doe PJ just coming off a fresh whim,
Speaker 1: But was Drake right, like are the Grammys becoming not?
Speaker 1: Well no, he's writing a lot of ways. Well I
Speaker 1: think yeah. I think his point was it didn't define you,
Speaker 1: which I agree with the reason I wanted to Grammys
Speaker 1: because all my heroes one grand it's a personal thing,
Speaker 1: doesn't validate me. I'm still doing what I'm but are
Speaker 1: they going not now? But I feel like maybe the
Speaker 1: next two years is it going to be the same
Speaker 1: status situation that it is? Absolutely? You know, what. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 1: Get on Wikipedia right now and type in list of
Speaker 1: Grammy winners, and it's going to tell you how many
Speaker 1: people have won Grammys, how many they've wanted, how many
Speaker 1: times they've been nominated, And you're going to be disgusted
Speaker 1: by some of the names you see the top, and
Speaker 1: some of the names you see at the bottom, like
Speaker 1: from we never won one because we like a Sealers
Speaker 1: number one one. I think like Marley, Bob Marley number
Speaker 1: one one, Like Marvin Gate has like what two? Yeah
Speaker 1: that sexual and Beyonce have like forty like combined active. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just looked it up yesterday. Beyonce has like yeah, I
Speaker 1: looked up to Wow. But seventy seven nominations, jay Z
Speaker 1: sixties six? How many times were for guest bots on
Speaker 1: other people's records mainly yeah, when we like when we
Speaker 1: were up for Gramm sping screw Yes, I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we were, we forest, we were nominating and we
Speaker 1: lost and it was like okay, and then I realized
Speaker 1: that Ashanti at one one in your category. I was
Speaker 1: good yet one one not category. But it was just
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't, Like you said, you can't let it define
Speaker 1: you can't. You know, it's just accepted for that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: That's how I tech. I'm cool with never winning one again.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, that was a personal time out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: time out me all right, I'm your Jacob Marley. Yeah
Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, you might want to be careful
Speaker 1: with that quote. I'm just saying that it is possible.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's no artist on earth that's not insatiable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I won that first Jordan you want more
Speaker 1: then I was, I was like, cool, I'm cool with that. Well,
Speaker 1: an example is I want I want mine in the
Speaker 1: pretail before and I knew I was up for R
Speaker 1: and B album on TV, but I was happy as
Speaker 1: I could be on TV. Just like man, I don't
Speaker 1: care if I lose. I'm probably gonna lose. But I
Speaker 1: was this as a goal. I just I just wanted that.
Speaker 1: I do want to win more. But I'm cool that
Speaker 1: I did that, and I'm straight never if I never
Speaker 1: do to me Like the best Grammy story and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was ever confirmed, but allegedly daft Punk.
Speaker 1: When they won, sent other guys up there in the
Speaker 1: in the suits. Yeah, and they watched. They watched from
Speaker 1: the audience. Yeah, Like I thought that was like the
Speaker 1: ship maybe to watch yourself get a Grammy. Like I've
Speaker 1: seen one of those guys without this man, dude in
Speaker 1: the purple gave you your award, right, the guy the
Speaker 1: purple jacket, Jimmy was towards the end. Okay, okay, So
Speaker 1: what was what was the feeling in your stomach when
Speaker 1: you heard your Well, I heard tie first. That's what
Speaker 1: they said in gentlemen, we have a tie. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, come on, man, so I've
Speaker 1: been it's been ten nominations, right, So I used I
Speaker 1: used to playing parties and stuff. What I used to
Speaker 1: be like, hey man, we about to turn up. I
Speaker 1: lost those. I lost those few times. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: we ain't. I ain't playing nothing, not this year. I
Speaker 1: ain't playing nothing. So I'm just like when you said tie,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, what's about to happen? And it
Speaker 1: was me and Leon Bridges. But once he said my name,
Speaker 1: so he said your name last. Yeah, he said my
Speaker 1: name last. Yes. I was like and Leon, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was a crazy feeling. I'm gonna tell you something
Speaker 1: funny about that. So my manager was in was at
Speaker 1: Fallon the first time you sat in with us, right okay,
Speaker 1: and he said to me, he says, yo, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something. He's like, on the low the way
Speaker 1: y'all did it on stage, you need to approach him
Speaker 1: now and do that ship. That's just gonna be a
Speaker 1: Grammy Award winner. This is Rich saying this, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is we we we we did. How deep is
Speaker 1: your love? And like we hooked it up? All right?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm telling you now the second that
Speaker 1: ship he called that one from my phone, like what
Speaker 1: did I tell you? What did I tell you? What
Speaker 1: did you say? I? Alright, we weren't ready even you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't in the no, I get it the headspace
Speaker 1: to record. Then how much different is it now? Because
Speaker 1: I'm like, he just did it every jam. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because it's it's weird that that song like turns
Speaker 1: the party out, even though you know it's a it's
Speaker 1: an O B G song, but it's like feel new
Speaker 1: when you do something. Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: interesting because everything you know, somebody can remake a song,
Speaker 1: and that don't mean everybody's gonna jam to it. But
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that that was the last Like when
Speaker 1: I did on the studio version, it was like last minute.
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to do a cover. I had
Speaker 1: always tried to do a cover on albums and just
Speaker 1: never worked out. And um, so we had a contest
Speaker 1: and I was looking up songs and I looked up
Speaker 1: the top twenty songs of all time, I think, and
Speaker 1: then I saw that one. I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: love how deep is your love? Anyway? And I figured
Speaker 1: out last minute and handed it's always the afterthoughts. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a grand plan or not. It was just like
Speaker 1: last minute cut it not even in the studio where
Speaker 1: I did the west rest of the record, just all different.
Speaker 1: And then we toured and I just saw how crazy
Speaker 1: was going and that's why I said we had to
Speaker 1: record it live. And then I mean, here we are.
Speaker 1: Whose idea was it for you to collaborate with? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I um, I saw her singing my
Speaker 1: version on Instagram and I was like, that was last
Speaker 1: minute too, because we're playing that basically, I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is she? Why is she so fantastic? Was on Instagram?
Speaker 1: I asked her and she was like, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: She lived in New York. Grahams were in New York
Speaker 1: last year and she came and year too. I did
Speaker 1: it because that was before she was on it. We
Speaker 1: recorded it that same weekend, the day before I did
Speaker 1: the Rust Jam lash. Yeah, damn yeah, you all up
Speaker 1: in this story because if you think about I was
Speaker 1: doing the mathterday and I was just doing my my
Speaker 1: PJA research and I was saying, I saw that Adam
Speaker 1: Blackstone kind of introduced you to the Room five, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's that's your our first day.
Speaker 1: That that that's how we are. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So for those who don't know the background story, I
Speaker 1: guess after I'm plugged with jay Z, then everyone else
Speaker 1: starts calling like put my band together, and Eminem and
Speaker 1: pauling them call said put our band together, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: And by that point we had just started failing. So
Speaker 1: I couldn't the attention that I gave jay z s
Speaker 1: band I couldn't do for everyone else because now I
Speaker 1: quote have a day job, so I I gave that
Speaker 1: to Adam Blackstone. So Adam had hit me up, Adam Levine,
Speaker 1: Hi Levine Vine because wait, no, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: only because I because a few months ago on folon Avril,
Speaker 1: Levine was on the show. You said opposite of that, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's Levine, Adam Levin, Yes, hit me up about uh,
Speaker 1: advil Levine? Is that? Sorry? Adam? Adam hit me up
Speaker 1: about uh putting their show together, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you want me to put a Room five show together?
Speaker 1: And I agreed, but they're not. You know, someone's like, yo, dude,
Speaker 1: just take Adam with you, have them carry the weight
Speaker 1: and just be out there to babysitting. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So that day that we came out, that was your
Speaker 1: first day with him. That was yeah, after I had
Speaker 1: add and my first rehearsal was the day you were
Speaker 1: in there. I had had that video of you like
Speaker 1: playing this love to show him a different groove to
Speaker 1: this love. It's kind of weird, like I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: So I was. I was brand new. We were all
Speaker 1: brand new. So me and Adam Blackstone, you had just
Speaker 1: brought him in and he brought me in and so
Speaker 1: we were that was so I'm known black I don't
Speaker 1: know forever. I don't even know where we met. It's
Speaker 1: like Franklin Bridge days. And I knew him when he
Speaker 1: was in Franklin Bridge, so it was probably before then.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how we met. Maybe he was remember no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was a TV show on ABC that did a
Speaker 1: national Battle of the band. It was like bands. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: okay about that. I don't know Blackstone just kind of
Speaker 1: as far as I remember, Like, I don't remember meeting him.
Speaker 1: I didn't met all those Philly guys that want was
Speaker 1: the tie and those guys all the band show. No,
Speaker 1: it's a small world. Yeah, so you you were born
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, born and raised? Okay, we're part I was,
Speaker 1: uh grew up in the East. I'm confused because I
Speaker 1: lived there. Now I moved back, but I grew up
Speaker 1: in the East. My whole life New Orleans eas So
Speaker 1: what are the can you describe for most? For me? So?
Speaker 1: So East, I guess in the eighties was considered like
Speaker 1: the new town, like New New Orleans and um so
Speaker 1: like I had where I grew up doesn't didn't really
Speaker 1: look like up. It doesn't look like New Orleans in
Speaker 1: that way. I had a palm tree in the front
Speaker 1: of mine. It was like they made it like the
Speaker 1: New suburbs, right, So that's where I grew up. There's
Speaker 1: also a rough part of the East, which is why
Speaker 1: the Katrina took them forever. It took like eight years
Speaker 1: for them to even start to work on New Orleans
Speaker 1: eas But um, I grew up in the East. Then
Speaker 1: you have Uptown, which is where my dad's church was,
Speaker 1: And then you have Downtown, which is kind of where
Speaker 1: the super Dome is and Convention Center and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So away from when tourists come there, of course, we
Speaker 1: come to the French Quarter. Yeah, that's downtown. So is
Speaker 1: that the equivalent of you hanging out? Like? Not really,
Speaker 1: that's I mean low key Bourbon Street is that? But
Speaker 1: the French Quarters. What I love about New Orleans is
Speaker 1: kind of like the Tories. The stuff overlaps with the
Speaker 1: real stuff like that, where are you hanging? Um? I
Speaker 1: mean I'll go down there. Are you holding a wall? Guy?
Speaker 1: Are you like? But I'll go and play and listen
Speaker 1: att on Frenchman Street. I'll listen to music on Frenchman Street.
Speaker 1: I never go to Bourbon. Should you do Frenchman mayor?
Speaker 1: Is that a bourbon? Because that's what I was told
Speaker 1: to by New Orleans natives, like if you're gonna do
Speaker 1: a street inversion, I mean I rarely do bourbon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean bourbon is a sitist. I do it when
Speaker 1: people are visiting, you know what I'm saying, because it
Speaker 1: is something to see that that is on. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be a random Wednesday night, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's full, it's packed, just like like it is during
Speaker 1: Marty Grass something, you know. So as far as like
Speaker 1: seeing bands and are there still an abundant especially in
Speaker 1: the wake of Katrina? Uh, which okay, I guess we're
Speaker 1: years thirteen years later. Um, are there still an abundance
Speaker 1: of musicians and band members there? Because I know that
Speaker 1: there was a mass exodus. Oh yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: people got out. But there's a there's a new generation
Speaker 1: now too of musicians and it's a bunch of it's
Speaker 1: it's still a bunch of musicians. Now, how are they
Speaker 1: with tradition? Um, the young guys, I mean they still
Speaker 1: have to play in the quarters, they still have to
Speaker 1: come up there, so it's almost like they go through
Speaker 1: that little school of all right, I gotta know how
Speaker 1: to do a shuffle, or I gotta know how to
Speaker 1: do a second line be you know, because you have
Speaker 1: to come through there to get to you can't really
Speaker 1: skip that step unless you play in church, you know.
Speaker 1: And even still when you want to go from Chi,
Speaker 1: I just was lucky enough to leave and go to
Speaker 1: school and start to write and stuff. But if you
Speaker 1: want to stay a musician in New Orleans, you kind
Speaker 1: of gotta go through that scene and play on bourbon
Speaker 1: and stuff. Because I don't know if any place in
Speaker 1: the United States or even the world that hanks so
Speaker 1: tight to a tradition, probably Second Broadway. It's probably the
Speaker 1: only other culture I know that's so stuck or like
Speaker 1: post tim pan Alley, you know, Gercewin era jazz that
Speaker 1: that I would love to just pry their hands off
Speaker 1: of and have them start a new But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm about since I've been back home too, you know.
Speaker 1: But how is is New Orleans a place where some
Speaker 1: people feel as though we need to eve of Like
Speaker 1: are there people that just start straight bounces as a musician,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna start with or even now bounce is
Speaker 1: like tradition. I mean the idea of Drake doing fifth
Speaker 1: word webby type songs, yes, is old old school. So
Speaker 1: you know, is there any space for trap culture in Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a brand new way. It's a brand new wave
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Now. Um of artists that I'm seeing
Speaker 1: that are totally I mean they respect that history and
Speaker 1: know it. But I think what I've been preaching since
Speaker 1: and I've been back home three years, and um, kind
Speaker 1: of what started me off Buddy Bolden's house, who is
Speaker 1: attributed as the originator of jazz music, right, like Louis
Speaker 1: Armstrong credits King Oliver, Buddy Bolden. Yeah, see I thought
Speaker 1: King Oliver's right, he's King Oliver credits bit Buddy Bolden. Right,
Speaker 1: So they say Buddy is that he lost his mind
Speaker 1: when he was like twenty six and and and and
Speaker 1: lived his life in a hospital in a hospital for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. But we the house is
Speaker 1: like ten steps from my dad's church, and after Katrina
Speaker 1: the my family bought up all the real estate around there,
Speaker 1: not knowing that they bought Buddy Bolden's house, his childhood home.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who Buddy Bolden was until I moved
Speaker 1: back home, and they were like, Yo, we're about to
Speaker 1: do something with this house. And people were coming from
Speaker 1: Europe and lining up and making pilgrimages to to this place.
Speaker 1: And we didn't know what it was. And when I
Speaker 1: got home, you know, um, but it made me start
Speaker 1: to like think about that history. And I think that
Speaker 1: New Orleans and the reason I left, the reason why
Speaker 1: a lot of us leave, is because we focused so
Speaker 1: much on jazz, jazz, jazz, like we started this, this
Speaker 1: is what and and I think what needs to be
Speaker 1: more focused on with New Orleans is innovation. Right. It
Speaker 1: was Buddy saying, I know y'all playing Dixie, and this
Speaker 1: is how I want to play my horn, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be different from everybody else. And that's what created that.
Speaker 1: That's what created Bounce, was us not caring New Orleans
Speaker 1: could just a bubble in that way, was like, I
Speaker 1: don't it was on the radio, I don't care what
Speaker 1: this is our what we're doing. But I think that
Speaker 1: is what makes us special, not the actual thing, not jazz,
Speaker 1: not bounced, but the not caring, right, and the gift
Speaker 1: of that and the innovation of that. So I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the generation now and the and the
Speaker 1: generation coming up they're thinking that way. But it's still
Speaker 1: that same I don't care attitude. I mean, you still
Speaker 1: have the I mean I would say that the not
Speaker 1: necessarily the entire Marcella's family, but definitely is head, headstrong, purist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's also not in New Orleans. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: for a very long time. You know, uh, more New
Speaker 1: York than anything. Yeah. Yeah, he been in New York
Speaker 1: for a very long time. So I'm saying, as far
Speaker 1: as the scene is going, that's that's cool, And that's
Speaker 1: what happened, by the way, like that jazz went came
Speaker 1: to New York and the jazz we know now is
Speaker 1: that right? Our jazz turned into R and B and
Speaker 1: like Fats you know, in rock and so like that.
Speaker 1: That's the extension of us more than preaching jazz is
Speaker 1: how we know it now, you know. So are there
Speaker 1: funk bands that we're in the tradition of the meters? Like,
Speaker 1: are there still people that I don't really? Not? Not really.
Speaker 1: I mean you got like Galactic. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: Galactic it take the jam band, yeah sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So Galactic is now the the steady groove, that's the
Speaker 1: standard funky jam band type thing. Yeah, if you're if
Speaker 1: you're a musician in New Orleans. Um, and let's say,
Speaker 1: how were you when you first started? I was like eight, Okay,
Speaker 1: So what's the first thing that you're taught? Is it
Speaker 1: a boogie woogie? Like, what's the what's the what's the
Speaker 1: top five? Like stuff that has to be in your
Speaker 1: DNA or for you get respect by. So to me,
Speaker 1: it was like two different worlds, right. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't really get into that French court of world until
Speaker 1: I was older. My dad was I was. It was
Speaker 1: all church for me. That's where all my music came from.
Speaker 1: I'm a preacher's kid. Your father must have a rather
Speaker 1: large church, right, because your father is very known in
Speaker 1: the community, correctly. Yeah. Pre Katrina, we had like twenty members,
Speaker 1: So it was like a huge church. Brought up a
Speaker 1: lot of said, you brought a lot of property. I want, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, so my my dad was kind of
Speaker 1: like the premier church you know in New Orleans pre Katrina,
Speaker 1: and that brought through a lot. But my dad's from Windsor.
Speaker 1: My dad's from Canada, right, so he and his father
Speaker 1: was a huge pastor. The first pastor to have a
Speaker 1: church in Detroit and to have a church in and Canada,
Speaker 1: so that connection. My dad grew up with the Clark's
Speaker 1: sisters in the Windings and all of them. So when
Speaker 1: he when he came to New Orleans and started a church,
Speaker 1: he brought musicians from there. My my heroes were like
Speaker 1: this guy Joey Britain from Detroit and guys like that
Speaker 1: that he brought down. So the flavor was totally different
Speaker 1: in our church than outside of the honest so I
Speaker 1: was I came up with. I didn't get the New
Speaker 1: Orleans training early, and it's probably why I was so different.
Speaker 1: You know. Ellis Marcelle's wanted me to saw me play
Speaker 1: when I was like ten or twelve and wanted me
Speaker 1: to go to NOCA, but I wanted to go to
Speaker 1: this high school saying, oh you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that was known for his margin band. So I was
Speaker 1: a little different, which is kind of why I always
Speaker 1: felt out of place kind of growing up. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like I'm not really that New Orleans guy
Speaker 1: in that way. How lenient as a PK. How lenient
Speaker 1: were your family on music outside secular music? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was it was it was strict, strict, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a balance because my dad was from Detroit, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he loved Anita, he loved certain things right,
Speaker 1: and my dad was a singer and a real musician
Speaker 1: in that way. So he always appreciated the Stevis and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. He tell me stuff. Yeah, my uncle played
Speaker 1: on some early some old town things back then. I
Speaker 1: used to play for cl Franklin right, so like, and
Speaker 1: they tell me stories of Stevie coming in and doing
Speaker 1: a show at the church, you know. So it was
Speaker 1: always a line. I remember we couldn't listen to the
Speaker 1: secondar stuff on Sundays, but but you know, it was
Speaker 1: only gospel music on Sundays. But they were pretty I
Speaker 1: mean I listened to Michael Jackson growing up and even strict. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't crazy like that. I think his childhood was
Speaker 1: so strict I was. Yeah, and what your people like
Speaker 1: you said, he was from Canada, so where y'all people
Speaker 1: always I don't know why. I always think the Canadian
Speaker 1: black foles have like a lot of Island influence on
Speaker 1: them and whatnot. But were they yeah, I think there
Speaker 1: was some with my grandparents, well not my grandmother. She
Speaker 1: was like from Missouri. So they both passed away. Before
Speaker 1: they passed away, my dad his father when he was
Speaker 1: twelve and his mother when he was nineteen, so way
Speaker 1: before me. But I think my grandfather had some West Indiana, Missouri.
Speaker 1: They went up. Yeah, he found her somewhere. They found
Speaker 1: each other somewhere. Yeah. So he your father was initially
Speaker 1: preaching up in the d and then yeah, so he
Speaker 1: why why what was this decision to come down to?
Speaker 1: He said, God told him to move to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: That's that's the only reason I've heard. And he said
Speaker 1: he went and did a revival in Cleveland, and when
Speaker 1: when he knew it was time for him to move,
Speaker 1: and somebody stole all of his clothes out of his
Speaker 1: car and everything. And he said, after he got robbed,
Speaker 1: he moved. That's that's when he finally moved. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: dad's got it's a crazy story. Yeah, because Hap with
Speaker 1: Trek and Michelle first moved to brought their sprawling Uh
Speaker 1: they would house it everything. Yeah, Tike came home and
Speaker 1: packed all of the ship like me and to go
Speaker 1: to pull the opposite each other. So every outfits reet
Speaker 1: weears like worth like billion dollars, so you know, it
Speaker 1: was like first day of school for like all of
Speaker 1: his good clothes. He's he's packing his car, his Porsche
Speaker 1: of ball things like he's packing off his stuff in
Speaker 1: the car and like four, I guess four in the morning,
Speaker 1: Like someone just came and took all of two weeks
Speaker 1: skills out of his car, out of the car. A
Speaker 1: lot of people ate off of him clothes, you know
Speaker 1: that a lot of people smoke. It's almost like it's
Speaker 1: almost like I think he wanted to stay an extra
Speaker 1: week before that, you know that coming to American scene
Speaker 1: where like stop let them stress ten thous dollar e vs. Jeans.
Speaker 1: I know it was you, uh but yeah, no, he
Speaker 1: said God told him to go and he didn't know
Speaker 1: anybody in New Orleans. He said his first job was
Speaker 1: like he was like a gas attendant around the church
Speaker 1: and one of the guys invited him to the church.
Speaker 1: What is the time span from that to ye maybe
Speaker 1: six or something is when he got to New Orleans
Speaker 1: something like that, and it was, um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was up to twenty by the time before Katrina
Speaker 1: so oh four. Were you a part of your father's
Speaker 1: music outreach or were you part of the gospel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like the music director for a while until
Speaker 1: I went to college and the choice. Um yeah, actually
Speaker 1: that's what my friends were. My friends, my musician form
Speaker 1: my drumma right now is still is the guy that
Speaker 1: I used to play with. So for me and my church,
Speaker 1: it was fun and the music and my friends was
Speaker 1: all I needed. You know, I was a preacher's kids.
Speaker 1: I was doing what I was doing. Whatever I was doing,
Speaker 1: I was have been fine, but that was my source. Really.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I wasn't on this New Orleans scene.
Speaker 1: So all my musician friends were in church. See that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now it makes sense because I didn't know this backstory. See,
Speaker 1: whenever it's jam session time or when you sit in
Speaker 1: with us, it's always well, you know, like we always
Speaker 1: go there and do these right, get the gospel, go
Speaker 1: straight church. That's why it's it's fun and authentic to
Speaker 1: do that with for sure, because that's why I get
Speaker 1: it when you when you say it. So any of course,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if there's any soul singer
Speaker 1: alive that doesn't long to do a gospel record, But yeah,
Speaker 1: is that in your future eventually? No, you know what
Speaker 1: I started out as a songwriter, and so I've written
Speaker 1: gospel songs for people that have done well. Like I
Speaker 1: wrote this big gospel song called let Go Let God,
Speaker 1: this guy Dwayne was did and it was like seventy
Speaker 1: two weeks in the top ten. So um, I want
Speaker 1: to yeah, like a Stellar Awards, maybe a Dove. Um.
Speaker 1: But if I do anything, it'll be like my songbook
Speaker 1: and other artists singing. But I don't. I have no
Speaker 1: desire to do a gospel record at all. No. I
Speaker 1: feel like my my soul, my r and stage a
Speaker 1: couple months ago. Yeah. But but but but we were
Speaker 1: doing my song sticking to my guns, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, I feel like when when Stevie wanted
Speaker 1: to to talk about God, then he just did, right,
Speaker 1: then I have to go and make a gospel record
Speaker 1: to do it. And that's that's kind of my That's
Speaker 1: what kind of with Marvin. If he wanted to reference
Speaker 1: God to talk about guy Donnie, you felt even if
Speaker 1: he wasn't talking about God, it felt like church. So
Speaker 1: I get that same thing, whatever that is that you
Speaker 1: want from that. One of the things I really like,
Speaker 1: like my how I first got onto you, I mentioned
Speaker 1: in my road call My Home girl. Carlita Durrant. She's
Speaker 1: a young singer. She's in uh from Durham. And so
Speaker 1: she we were this is man, this is like a
Speaker 1: decade ago, it's like teen years ago. She was like, yo,
Speaker 1: um you up on p J. Morton. I was like nah,
Speaker 1: I was like the preacher. She's like, no, this's his daddy,
Speaker 1: like his dad, he has a son. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship. Yes. So she was like, um. So she
Speaker 1: played me the first thing I heard of yours. It
Speaker 1: was it was a live show and you ended with
Speaker 1: the cheers things where everybody yeah, like dude, but he
Speaker 1: does it like he turns. Yeah. Oh god. She was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta hear him. He got three background scenes to
Speaker 1: sound just like him. And so we played this ship
Speaker 1: and so I could hearing you. Now I could understand
Speaker 1: how to find the church and whatever you see the
Speaker 1: same feeling, it gives me the same whatever that is.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, um, which is why I
Speaker 1: just never say I would never say, Okay, now here's
Speaker 1: the gospel record. It's like, now it would be sprinkled
Speaker 1: in there. If I want to go there, you gotta
Speaker 1: find it. You gotta get to it. Let me find
Speaker 1: you rather. What's the name of the gospel choir your
Speaker 1: dad's church? Um? What was great to St. Stephen's Mass choir? Okay?
Speaker 1: Did they have records and some records? Yeah, my dad
Speaker 1: had some records, like Your Tears was a big song
Speaker 1: that he did. Let It Rain was later on, but
Speaker 1: that was a big song. It was like purple Rain
Speaker 1: and Okay, how do we hear this gospel version of
Speaker 1: cheers out of here? Um? I saw on his record
Speaker 1: I did called Live in l A. Yeah, where everybody
Speaker 1: knows as Yeah, but it felt that that's the way
Speaker 1: we ended the shows for like eight years or something.
Speaker 1: There was a period we I think we ended we
Speaker 1: stopped doing it. One time I did it, Samuel Jackson
Speaker 1: was in the audience and he was looking like huh.
Speaker 1: And then I think we dropped I think what term
Speaker 1: and just started doing like TV themes at the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did it in Europe or Asia and they were
Speaker 1: looking like I was like, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it anymore. That's what kind of stopped me from doing it.
Speaker 1: Just shout out to the jazzy because I used that's
Speaker 1: how they used to close their set at the Black
Speaker 1: Lily every Tuesday. Oh really yeah, really yeah, they didn't
Speaker 1: tell was that you was on what they gonna tell you?
Speaker 1: I wonder where they got that idea. Who did it first? Question?
Speaker 1: Who did it first? Gary Portnoy did it? I got
Speaker 1: that forty five. Yeah, that's like, that's such a good song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that song. I'm trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: there's a full album that, like a Gary Portnoy album.
Speaker 1: I never did the verse, but I love the verse. Wait,
Speaker 1: Gary port knew there's two verses in the real Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard it. Yeah, Steve song, Yeah song, I like
Speaker 1: when you sing alone. Shout out to Gary Portnoy. You
Speaker 1: know he doesn't he doesn't get enough nobody talks about
Speaker 1: I know, man, did he spend his check? But he
Speaker 1: did he write that song? Or did he just sing it?
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: you acted like you knew Steve would know the history
Speaker 1: of it. But I'm just being honest. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know he wrote it along with
Speaker 1: Judy hart Angelo. Well, since you're one of the few
Speaker 1: or first leaders of a gospel choir church, I gotta
Speaker 1: know how how how First of all, what's the membership?
Speaker 1: What's the size? And yes, um, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was, I was young. I don't visually maybe people
Speaker 1: that's my worst nightmare. Yeah, I mean I already shaky
Speaker 1: as an empty of my own situation that I actually created.
Speaker 1: But how how are you able to maintain the respect
Speaker 1: and the attention of over two hundred people? Now, I've
Speaker 1: seen it that I never so as music director I was,
Speaker 1: it was just banned. I didn't I never had to
Speaker 1: deal with choir members. That's a whole that was never
Speaker 1: about to be my jam. Yeah. No, I've seen that.
Speaker 1: We've seen the wrangle the choir members and stuff. But no,
Speaker 1: it was always the band. Okay, So I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now you went when when did you go to the house? Um?
Speaker 1: I went nine graduating? No three, that's the one thing.
Speaker 1: We were almost almost classmates. What is that the house?
Speaker 1: I almost went there? You almost went there almost? Now
Speaker 1: I went there to classes. Wait, I want some spelling knights,
Speaker 1: And where would you go? No, you didn't go to
Speaker 1: spelling I'm just saying, no, she just went to more house.
Speaker 1: I love. I was saying I had some spelling knights
Speaker 1: in my class. I didn't have any Clark students. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: well I did you over there? I was over there.
Speaker 1: I did some Spellman's ones too. You might as well
Speaker 1: paying for it. It's when Spike was on the show.
Speaker 1: We didn't get into it. But what what is it
Speaker 1: like at Morehouse? And was it? Is it as prestidges
Speaker 1: as it's as the folklore of it, I'll say that
Speaker 1: it it does instill some pride, like you know so
Speaker 1: so so when I was in New Orleans growing up
Speaker 1: and I was the flat preacher's kid, right who could
Speaker 1: play and all of that, um, it was like one
Speaker 1: of me kinda right. Then you go to more House
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, and it shows you like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm not alone in that, and it it kind
Speaker 1: of demands you to want to have a certain level
Speaker 1: uh and some of the history there and the way
Speaker 1: they teach you about that history and make sure you
Speaker 1: know it, um, you know, and who went there too,
Speaker 1: you know from the mL case y'all lifted up a
Speaker 1: mail more House man like and make sure that pride
Speaker 1: is there. Um. So whatever you do after that, and
Speaker 1: you at least you have that. You know what I'm saying. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't you don't get mad like I do when those
Speaker 1: alumni emails come through and you're like, no, where I
Speaker 1: went to me? I went to a small state school Indiana,
Speaker 1: but only because they paid for everything. So that's what
Speaker 1: was where I went to Flying the Central University, graduated
Speaker 1: in oh one Steve, the University of Maryland, Yes, Clark
Speaker 1: and Morgan State. Damn, I'm the only motherfucker college. But
Speaker 1: every time, all right, O, man, I want to go
Speaker 1: to college. Man, they give you a degree, you know,
Speaker 1: they just give you one. We had to go there,
Speaker 1: and it's true, it's I'm sure you've been offered many.
Speaker 1: I just got my degree from Princeton University and what
Speaker 1: back back in February without going to one class I've taught. Yes,
Speaker 1: I got my honor so you can call me doctor
Speaker 1: Love now. Yeah, I'm doctor Love now. Congratulations. Weird in enough.
Speaker 1: They want me to teach there and give lectures there,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't know if I could actually
Speaker 1: have the jobs to that's certificate. But you don't keep
Speaker 1: that in the bathroom. In the bathroom, keep everything in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I gave out the plone with my MoMA.
Speaker 1: I gave it. I just I've never even seen mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know where mine is. That's fun, mine's box stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll sell your mine. Got to love. No, But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that from watching, from watching a different world,
Speaker 1: and you know how sure, yeah, that's that's not but
Speaker 1: it was. It was fun man, and and it's your people.
Speaker 1: And so the whole school days and all that wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing much more Greeks against you, goddamn individuals g
Speaker 1: D I s. So in that way, that's what we
Speaker 1: called ourselves. I was a g D. I was you
Speaker 1: not a g D I Bill, I know you was
Speaker 1: a g D. I I was, but I never heard
Speaker 1: that term. I'm mad. I didn't hear in twenty years. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had an album. Yeah, I never wait, he was
Speaker 1: real not he was real? He was a real No.
Speaker 1: I know, I just saved me find me when they
Speaker 1: asked me what I was pledging as I also remember
Speaker 1: Mousa moved, but that's because I watched too much BT
Speaker 1: back into the college hits from the streets and when
Speaker 1: he went around in the he went to Howard and
Speaker 1: when I went to high school, he's working the store
Speaker 1: across street was over there, and he would entertain us.
Speaker 1: He was funny. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't have the I
Speaker 1: mean we had the for terms of course, but I
Speaker 1: mean I played football, so I turned. It wasn't g
Speaker 1: D it was it was severe play football in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my first time. Yeah, I didn't wanna do that ship.
Speaker 1: I was tired. He gave a job. Like, nigga, you
Speaker 1: like that ship is your life, Like you were on
Speaker 1: a football scholarship. No, no, no, I was on academic
Speaker 1: scholarship and then I just walked on the team. And
Speaker 1: so hey, guys, okay, yeah, yeah, that's the thing in
Speaker 1: college football, like they don't really well, at least at
Speaker 1: our school. You didn't really make cuts, so to speak.
Speaker 1: So like if your grades was on point, you could
Speaker 1: come out for the team. But by the time you
Speaker 1: get through workouts, between injuries, between niggas, that's ineligible. Somebody
Speaker 1: didn't got his girlfriend pregnant by the end of the
Speaker 1: summer workouts, some space, that's who left. You can make it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you made it. You on the team.
Speaker 1: You didn't quit, you didn't you didn't flunk out whatever.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that it was crazy. So we just call
Speaker 1: people civilians, like if you didn't playing like when I stopped,
Speaker 1: when I stopped playing ball, all the boys like, you're
Speaker 1: about to go live civilian life like Seville, Like that's
Speaker 1: what it was. So between civilian life and the AUC
Speaker 1: and then the whole hierarchy of the Moorhouse Spellman Clark
Speaker 1: and then at the time Morris Brown wasn't there when
Speaker 1: you were there. I think it was on its way out. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a whole. That was a thing too,
Speaker 1: a little thing, but not as much as it was
Speaker 1: on the movie. Because my first girlfriend went to Mars Brown.
Speaker 1: Good for you, I jumped over freshman a year. Freshman year.
Speaker 1: You brought her outside? What does that mean? She was
Speaker 1: outside of What does that mean? Because I tell him
Speaker 1: the phrase, PJ. You what you married a spellman? You know,
Speaker 1: don't you know? The phrase you married the whole phrase?
Speaker 1: But but basically, yeah, unfortunately, there was a hierarchy. You
Speaker 1: married Calman girl, you cheat on her with the Clark
Speaker 1: girl and then the Morris Brown one, you know, the
Speaker 1: moors Browns to jump off. Yeah, wow, you brought her outside? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say unfortunately to to help the stereotype, the stereotype.
Speaker 1: She just had to come to Morris Brown for the
Speaker 1: first semester because the spell and stuff was late, and
Speaker 1: then she went second semester spelling. So you cheated. That
Speaker 1: ain't a real more brown girl. Hey that I was
Speaker 1: over there on that campus and it was like what
Speaker 1: you're doing over you know that what I'm doing over there?
Speaker 1: They locked the gates spellman in like eight o'clock a night.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. So that's the thing. So in
Speaker 1: the black straight up, I mean, because I remember you're
Speaker 1: in the Bible Belt. So coed visitation is like that's
Speaker 1: like a thing. So what you would have to do,
Speaker 1: like in our dorm in Chile, like you would have
Speaker 1: to sign in your guests, but like niggas never wanted
Speaker 1: to sign in because you don't want other people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you could just sneak a john on the side
Speaker 1: or whatever, like you sneak joints in. And so the
Speaker 1: first sign like we came and we went to the
Speaker 1: first time we parted at you and see Carolina Chapel Hill,
Speaker 1: which is like the big white school like fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: minutes down the road, and like we saw how they
Speaker 1: lived over there how like it was like two girls.
Speaker 1: It's like four girls in a suite and it's just open.
Speaker 1: Just come. Is you different? Way different? No? No, no
Speaker 1: she was because the thing was like she was. It
Speaker 1: was she was black, but like she had like white
Speaker 1: home girls and ship. But the thing was like Central.
Speaker 1: So I guess the hierarchy, the whole hierarchy in the
Speaker 1: triangle was, I guess you marry a duke nigga, if
Speaker 1: you could get one, you catch you can catch your
Speaker 1: duke because he got this white girl. If you get
Speaker 1: your dukee nigga. But like, but like Central, we had
Speaker 1: the reputation for just being just cool and like we
Speaker 1: was just niggas, like just so like all the chicken
Speaker 1: they like they used to funk with us because we
Speaker 1: just didn't care. So we go to Carolina, like you know,
Speaker 1: we're like many digs corny, Like we used to take
Speaker 1: all they hold but their food in their good cafeteria. Right,
Speaker 1: different countries, being representative ship they had when you got
Speaker 1: to the white school. Because I have friends that went
Speaker 1: to white had a friend and went to w and
Speaker 1: have a friend and with the pits around in California
Speaker 1: and that life was just like it opened my I
Speaker 1: was like like one of my boys, Like he moved
Speaker 1: in over the he was like living with a girl
Speaker 1: in the house that was the dorm Aeron house. Like
Speaker 1: he was Damn, I'm like, nigga, where you being? You
Speaker 1: know what I manto And this is pre Instagram, pre
Speaker 1: like fake soul. Ain't no track in your moves, man.
Speaker 1: But I would not trade I can and I'm sure PJ.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would not trade my black college experience,
Speaker 1: no way nothing. It was so good. And if you
Speaker 1: got caught where this was the rumor, if you got
Speaker 1: caught leaving Spellman's campus too late, they the security had
Speaker 1: rubber bullets ship so you would have to run like
Speaker 1: it was Vietnam duty. I never experienced it, but that
Speaker 1: was the that was the folklore. They put them tricks
Speaker 1: on pedestals too, but they was always falling off. Still better,
Speaker 1: that's that's now. Benett was like that too, and well
Speaker 1: now they've saved. Been in college in Greensboro. But I
Speaker 1: grew up down the street from Bennett, and it was
Speaker 1: the same thing. Like if you saw a Benet girl
Speaker 1: the eight lots at a certain time and you gotta
Speaker 1: get up back didn't get a clock girl any time
Speaker 1: of the day we're here. Yeah, they like girls. Clode
Speaker 1: girls were cool, though. I like cloth girls because they
Speaker 1: were used to the guys being around. It wasn't too crazy.
Speaker 1: They were always a little more chill. All right, So now,
Speaker 1: all right, I always wanted to do this question, no,
Speaker 1: because for from an outsider point of view, especially going
Speaker 1: to Atlanta a lot in the nineties and which booty
Speaker 1: clubs were, Like, yeah, you know, it was the thing
Speaker 1: to do, but I also know that there's a certain
Speaker 1: amount of bawling you have to do in order to
Speaker 1: do that. But on ya, every fun out on the
Speaker 1: college level, like how is that possible? Like house the
Speaker 1: spelling in a different world? The rich suck a mirror,
Speaker 1: like I transferred from Morgan State, right, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now. When I walked on that campus, I was
Speaker 1: like what fun freshmen were like BMW's and Benzses and
Speaker 1: ship like you see, his daddy had twenty thousand people
Speaker 1: in the congregation and he was the broke one in
Speaker 1: the Like alright, Well, I was a musician already, so
Speaker 1: I was working myself, so I did alright, Uh, but
Speaker 1: but I wasn't a big on strip. So I was
Speaker 1: trying to I was a nerd in the censeer. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean. I'm just saying that the things that I
Speaker 1: know Atlanta for is falsely culture is concerned. I mean
Speaker 1: I kind of think that in order to really experience
Speaker 1: the Atlanta that's always shown to me in TV and
Speaker 1: movies and videos, you always gotta I'm and I'm being
Speaker 1: very I'm trying to be those guys. You need two
Speaker 1: d really my mind, I'm thinking, yeah, you need about
Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars too. I don't want you to make
Speaker 1: fun of Mese. Not a magic sitting listen. I never
Speaker 1: had it, those dudes. That's why I should tell people, PJ,
Speaker 1: why are you paying for dance when the dude beside
Speaker 1: you was right there with the chick, just look like,
Speaker 1: go ahead, man yourself. And then Atlanta at that time,
Speaker 1: because this is when when I was there, Trip club
Speaker 1: culture was like really starting to pop. It wasn't all
Speaker 1: the wait at his head, but it was like really
Speaker 1: starting to pop. And them dudes, I couldn't understand it.
Speaker 1: They won't even be looking at the chicks like it's
Speaker 1: a status thing. I guess, but I could never wrap
Speaker 1: my head around it, and I'm like, I like money
Speaker 1: too much, but they just talk throwing. I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: it's a networking thing. Like it's almost like yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: like you don't I mean, you go for the women
Speaker 1: are there, but it's almost they're just like decorations. But yeah, accessories.
Speaker 1: I mean I got that when I went with my
Speaker 1: friends and and we would just be hanging out for
Speaker 1: birthday or something. But I don't know this dudes that
Speaker 1: did that a lot, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I don't have it like that the
Speaker 1: first time. I when when like make it ring culture
Speaker 1: is like really just starting to the point where they
Speaker 1: keep they would keep score of I think, ah, what
Speaker 1: is everybody in the club getting tipsy? What was right?
Speaker 1: He was the chance like they keep a high score.
Speaker 1: I guess the point is that who can throw. Well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that it was based on It was based
Speaker 1: on when the last dollar would drop to the floor
Speaker 1: and then they would stop the climate. Right And after
Speaker 1: a while what's his name took me, Chris Robinson took
Speaker 1: me and I said, yo, I said, they're not They're
Speaker 1: not you know, he was still doing outcast videos or whatever.
Speaker 1: But at one point I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: why do I get the feeling that they're not even
Speaker 1: paying attention to that said, yeah, they're not, like they're
Speaker 1: not here to trick off of the women or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're here basically to let each other know my money
Speaker 1: stronger than yours. At the time I was there, it
Speaker 1: was Chuck. I guess it was a I a I
Speaker 1: versus and I forget who. It's some football player or whatever.
Speaker 1: There was a bank in the basement. It wasn't Magic City,
Speaker 1: but it was like whatever is whatever it was popping
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. It wasn't this the other
Speaker 1: one I remember that. I think that was the first
Speaker 1: one I went to making certificate, getting certificates of the
Speaker 1: posts after right, No, it was it was it was
Speaker 1: just like players Club, like some some they gave them,
Speaker 1: they gave them whatever, and then they came they will
Speaker 1: back a big gass uh will barrow of like twenties here.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. So AI threw his his his
Speaker 1: drawings up right and they fell down. One of those
Speaker 1: twenties wins right between my afro pick in my afro.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I literally and the guy the
Speaker 1: guards stopped me. I'll get that for you, and wow,
Speaker 1: because that's her money, dude, b it was you know
Speaker 1: how slippery a cheesecake factory is, like with all the
Speaker 1: oil on the ground. Why are you laughing? Have you
Speaker 1: ever walked in a cheesecake factory only with you? It
Speaker 1: is noted. I think that. Look, listeners, if you listen
Speaker 1: out there, please verify. And he gets this far in
Speaker 1: this conversation. Deep down, I'm telling you cheesecake factories have
Speaker 1: the slippery ist marble floor. That the collection of grease,
Speaker 1: the collective grease on the floor. It's like ice skating.
Speaker 1: It's like a lawsuit waiting to happen. And I'm still
Speaker 1: going to spot I mean you godamn anyway, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't get out of there with nothing less than like
Speaker 1: two thousand colors, like like it was in the Eat
Speaker 1: this dot net Eat This not that book and like
Speaker 1: I bought and they were just like basically like never
Speaker 1: eat here. Yeah. They was like, yo, this is a
Speaker 1: never and she can't get to it because after you finished,
Speaker 1: you're done. Yeah, the portion size is a huge, But
Speaker 1: the point my point was that My point was that
Speaker 1: a half hour after making it rain. It's just literally
Speaker 1: just twenties on the ground and um. But then just
Speaker 1: like the Players Club movie, like someone presses a green
Speaker 1: button and then all of a sudden, like twenty people
Speaker 1: coming out with with uh brooms and dust pans and
Speaker 1: garbage bags and put the money inside. So then how
Speaker 1: do they so, how did they determine who gets the twenties?
Speaker 1: Like how it's a trust system. There's one club that
Speaker 1: I know of in which the owner actually pays them.
Speaker 1: I think their system is more like a like a contractor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a contracted thing. Um, and there's a pre arranged
Speaker 1: thing so like none of the tips have a minimum. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so wow, that was a major rabbit might be the
Speaker 1: most random rabbit hole of history. Slippery cheesecake back. I
Speaker 1: looked that up on Google and a lot of people
Speaker 1: ask the same question about the floor. It is noted
Speaker 1: that Cheesecake Factory has the slipperyest floor ever. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I would you could if you really want to take
Speaker 1: off a petty lawsuit. How do you know what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about doing this weekend? Oh wait, we're recording this.
Speaker 1: Damn my back? Wait, damn, this is even fundamental do
Speaker 1: you have any siblings? Are you the only Yeah, we
Speaker 1: put you in college in the strip club. I got
Speaker 1: two sisters, older and younger in the middle only boy,
Speaker 1: are they in the arts at all? Or? Um? My
Speaker 1: oldest sister is a singer. Well, she doesn't really sing
Speaker 1: that much anymore, but she's she can sing. My younger
Speaker 1: sister is like a dope graphic artist. Actually, okay, okay now,
Speaker 1: And no one else in your family's musically inclined and
Speaker 1: no I mean my dad, yeah, my uncle. Um, did
Speaker 1: your wife sing? She's a hair stylist. Yeah. Not. I
Speaker 1: used to date musicians all the time, like singers. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want you to understand it, but I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want you to be in it. That's a no. No.
Speaker 1: That means y'all all know how difficult it is to
Speaker 1: date yourself. Absolutely, Yeah, you can't. That's why I don't
Speaker 1: know for real. Yeah, there's there's only one Mike in
Speaker 1: this house. Actually, they're yeah, what'slow superior and not be appropriate? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the artist artist relationship, that ship is not not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's good theory when you think theory, has
Speaker 1: it ever worked? Beyonce? You know I said you was
Speaker 1: going down, just like the elema I got you, I
Speaker 1: got your artist artist relationship? What uh do Angela and
Speaker 1: Courtney Beans? Yeah that counts. And I'm saying I believe that.
Speaker 1: I feel like musicians are a different level of thinking.
Speaker 1: If you knew how before he was famous, of any
Speaker 1: I think actors can do it. But hmmm, because even
Speaker 1: when like people are like, hey man, why don't you
Speaker 1: take no no no, no no no, and I know
Speaker 1: how crazy no no no, no, no no no, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the people that people imagine me getting paired up with,
Speaker 1: it's just it's you know, a matter of fact, weren't
Speaker 1: you with me? Uh? Did you go to the Rock
Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame? Uh? With us? The year
Speaker 1: I don't know if I inducted Hall of Notes. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was the year after, remember n w A got
Speaker 1: uh inducted in Chicago. Yeah, but there was there was
Speaker 1: a there was an incident, a meltdown incident with a
Speaker 1: well done. If you ain't gonna give us no names,
Speaker 1: don't we tell him us no story? Come on now
Speaker 1: and give us us. Let him finish what he's saying.
Speaker 1: They maybe we can figure it out anyway. So p
Speaker 1: J No, I'm world famous for not dropping. That makes
Speaker 1: Fonte angry. I'm gonna figure out because Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: that night and I can't remember. I'm sorry. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: she was. I mean she was my date. But it's weird.
Speaker 1: I was too busy trip. I was sitting next to
Speaker 1: David Burns. You were there with I was at that table, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got inducted a year because I was cracking up
Speaker 1: because it was nine eleven, like nine eleven when they
Speaker 1: when they got inducted. What year? Who was was Bonnie
Speaker 1: right there at all? That night? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Steve Miller was there, Okay, okay, okay, No, this is
Speaker 1: the night where uh Linda ron Stat and the Eas
Speaker 1: Street Band was. I wasn't there that so maybe that's
Speaker 1: the year before. Yeah, I was seeing someone notable in
Speaker 1: R and b uh during this time period of genre
Speaker 1: we're near right now. She she was known, she was known.
Speaker 1: She you know, she she had love one. She she
Speaker 1: might have one of the six in park Love you know,
Speaker 1: okay of that, um n. Yeah. But it was just
Speaker 1: weird because in that particular environment, which you know, the
Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is is uh you know,
Speaker 1: presented by Rolling Stone magazine and the kind of old
Speaker 1: boy network. Okay, yes that means you mean white people
Speaker 1: with mirror Yes, exactly why people? Right, So it wasn't
Speaker 1: she wasn't that known to them, and so it didn't
Speaker 1: make a difference. But then I've been in situation was
Speaker 1: with her where it's like, but we would know how
Speaker 1: she has way more followers than I do. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so um yeah, that that night was really weird with
Speaker 1: the red carpet thing, because you know, I felt like, well,
Speaker 1: you could take photos on your own red carpet, huh.
Speaker 1: But because let's see what Getty talking about. There isn't
Speaker 1: photos of us together because Getty got it, get it,
Speaker 1: get it. Might be it might be out of the
Speaker 1: let me see what I am is talking about. Really, guys, Okay,
Speaker 1: just helped though. It's probably if there's some random R
Speaker 1: and B that wasn't supposed to be at this all
Speaker 1: that it's supposed to be. It's just that not less
Speaker 1: like that wasn't her scene necessary? Right, That wasn't her scene,
Speaker 1: and I think she wasn't used to it would be
Speaker 1: that I'm really like to shanty, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that I missed it. I'm missed it. I missed it.
Speaker 1: I had to be quick. Um no, no, she's on me.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that. But did she miss that? Anyway?
Speaker 1: My point, my point is that because of this environment,
Speaker 1: this person wasn't that known. It was a little problematic,
Speaker 1: and um, for that person, it's a problemating the people
Speaker 1: don't know who that person was. For her, well, you
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's an ego blow. It's an ego blow,
Speaker 1: and so it comes out in other ways. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting the next year. You tell us you
Speaker 1: at Chef's house with lam. Where are you trying to say? Teams? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she really really, I don't know. Are you
Speaker 1: trying to start rumors? No, no, I wasn't. I just
Speaker 1: you just check it on Google see if there's anything
Speaker 1: first before you start putting stuff out on it. So
Speaker 1: that's a compliment. I know nothing about her other than
Speaker 1: just that song. So I just don't even know. The
Speaker 1: song sounds just like the other one testing trying with it,
Speaker 1: called to testify, bowed back up. I'm bowed up again? Okay,
Speaker 1: so joy, Yeah, yeah, so I was creous. So did
Speaker 1: you learn to play? Were you formally trained just by ear. No,
Speaker 1: it's all ear. Yeah. And my mom was from the
Speaker 1: old school and really wanted me to learn how to play,
Speaker 1: and you know I wanted to, but I was like
Speaker 1: playing stuff on the radio and TV show things and
Speaker 1: that after that is when she put me in lessons.
Speaker 1: And then I went back to and I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't so what was the first thing to discipline?
Speaker 1: Where's the first song you learned? Uh? I thought it
Speaker 1: was something I wrote. Then I realized it was something
Speaker 1: that existed already. Yeah, I used to play this this
Speaker 1: thing and see I don't know what it's called, but um,
Speaker 1: like the first song I can really remember. Um maybe
Speaker 1: like like those were the days like all in the family,
Speaker 1: which but yeah, like real songs. So I used to
Speaker 1: play little things, you know, uh, little like pieces of things,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if they were actually songs because
Speaker 1: so in church, you know, with the talking music and stuff, right,
Speaker 1: like like the guys sitting on the organ plane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was playing person in the entire church. That was
Speaker 1: my favorite person in Yeah, so I would learn things
Speaker 1: that weren't actually songs, but they would just pieces. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember people used to walk up to me, like
Speaker 1: what you're playing and I'm like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I just playing it. Yeah yeah, but All in
Speaker 1: the Family was one like and well, that's watching the
Speaker 1: end credits or the beginning ones, because oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: again the end credits or we learned that all that family. No, no,
Speaker 1: at the end, you're talking about what's happened. That's what's happening. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: at the end of at the end of talking about
Speaker 1: the beginning right, right, So at the end of All
Speaker 1: the Family, when the credits are growing up, it's more
Speaker 1: of a Dixie Land. Okay, No, I didn't know. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't play that parts. You know, it's still the
Speaker 1: same it's it's still the same field, right, but it's
Speaker 1: piano in the Wait a minute, me and light ye
Speaker 1: are the only ones that recognize all the families. The
Speaker 1: other things I wasn't really annoying. What what you mean
Speaker 1: that I wasn't I watched. I wasn't watching. I wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed to watch All the Family. But I still know
Speaker 1: that that part was. I mean, I know the theme song,
Speaker 1: those were the days, you know. I'm knew that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I really watched it like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I was later on exactly that she would come
Speaker 1: on like, well, we're watching it. Yeah someth maybe I
Speaker 1: heard that first ever get it just like it was
Speaker 1: time to go to bed with Masha the Mash want
Speaker 1: to tend. I don't know, I don't know. I know
Speaker 1: it was dead when I came on. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: was watching addicted to it in syndication. Used to always
Speaker 1: come on at ten o'clock. Yeah, it was time to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. Yeah, I only know mash
Speaker 1: Fords theme and it's in credit. Yeah, exactly, brought to
Speaker 1: you by you know, like but literally never seemed Mash
Speaker 1: and always wanted to know what made it so great. No,
Speaker 1: I never watched that show either. I wasn't a lave
Speaker 1: in the seventies doing a fet not more so be
Speaker 1: able to really give you a good answer for that
Speaker 1: not relevant content. So what is your what is what
Speaker 1: is your your your practice riche or your creative rituals? Like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure it's more than just learning TV
Speaker 1: themes and you know what, I used to ask people
Speaker 1: how to practice. Okay, So since I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: since I didn't learn formally. Um My, my practice was
Speaker 1: playing what I knew right until I made a mistake.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times my mistakes would lead me
Speaker 1: to like whatever the next thing is, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how they played that. But I didn't have a
Speaker 1: practice regiment, and I was playing so much because you
Speaker 1: had you know, you had Sunday and then you had
Speaker 1: like rehearsal on Tuesday, and then you had like mid
Speaker 1: day on Wednesday. So I felt like I was that
Speaker 1: was more of my practice was like on the while
Speaker 1: I was playing with my friends, as opposed to I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to practice, which sounds weird. Are you
Speaker 1: the first I mean winner that I didn't have that
Speaker 1: You weren't under the tutelage or the thumb of a
Speaker 1: drill sergeant Joe Jackson esque figure. No, like doesn't mean
Speaker 1: my dad. My dad knew how to play like one
Speaker 1: thing really well, and I thought he could really play
Speaker 1: when I before I could play, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: show me that, and I started to pass him up.
Speaker 1: He was like, you don't want to learn from me.
Speaker 1: So I didn't have anybody who was like I really
Speaker 1: just wanted to do it, you know, So nobody had
Speaker 1: to push me. Once I got out of lessons, Once
Speaker 1: I got out of like somebody trying to teach me
Speaker 1: how to play, it just was my That was That
Speaker 1: became my basketball once I stop growing. Yo, I gotta
Speaker 1: know what your dad said the day you told him
Speaker 1: you got the MA Room five job, because I feel
Speaker 1: like he was like, huh, well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: my dad knew who He didn't at what point did
Speaker 1: he feel? At what point did he know? And then
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I guess this is probably one of
Speaker 1: those war shows. He's like, boy, you been all right? Boy,
Speaker 1: see you up there. I saw you on that go
Speaker 1: probably the Grammys or something. You know. I was playing.
Speaker 1: We played my first year. I think we did like
Speaker 1: a Beach Boys tribute, and he and my dad probably
Speaker 1: deal how did that come about? How did you come
Speaker 1: and get into the band? So that that is quest
Speaker 1: that was basically, um, um, thank you. They were looking
Speaker 1: for a keyboard well, unbeknowns to me at that time too,
Speaker 1: the original keyboard player was planning on leaving the band,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that. I think they kind of
Speaker 1: had conversations about it, which is how I was able
Speaker 1: to come in because after Matt like the drummer, and
Speaker 1: said he was like, man, we didn't want another player,
Speaker 1: like we didn't want anybody else in the band. This
Speaker 1: was kind of Jesse's idea in a way. Um um,
Speaker 1: and shout out to Jesse, because he just he's the
Speaker 1: most loving person, like he wanted another keyboard player with him, right,
Speaker 1: So the first two years, Um, well, so they called
Speaker 1: you and you couldn't do it because you just got foulon.
Speaker 1: This was almost nine years ago, and black Stone came
Speaker 1: in and they asked him if he knew anybody who
Speaker 1: could play and sing, and so black called me. I
Speaker 1: canceled the rest of my tour. I had like three
Speaker 1: days left on my tour. I'm like I was tired anyway,
Speaker 1: because I was just on that same little little carousel.
Speaker 1: I went to l a audition for them. It was
Speaker 1: my first audition in life, you know, um, And it
Speaker 1: was their first audition, like they had been a band
Speaker 1: since eighth grade. So they brought me in the first day.
Speaker 1: I auditioned first, and I could just feel like maybe
Speaker 1: it was my ignorance of not auditioning before, but they
Speaker 1: just want me to learn. Sunday morning, I played that
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, what else you know? And
Speaker 1: I was like, I know a little bit of what.
Speaker 1: So we started just jamming and it started to feel
Speaker 1: more like friends. I could tell they were the cats.
Speaker 1: They were one of the guys you know. And um,
Speaker 1: so they had another guy there waiting and they were like,
Speaker 1: we knew already, but they just let him audition. And
Speaker 1: they had a second day of auditions that they just canceled,
Speaker 1: and I was they told me the next day and
Speaker 1: that the rest was history. And I guess that next
Speaker 1: week is probably when you came in and we actually
Speaker 1: started rehearsals, and um, what album was that you came
Speaker 1: in on? So they just had finished this album hands
Speaker 1: all over. Um so just before his Boy and this
Speaker 1: is before moves like Jack. We always call it post
Speaker 1: moves like jaggering and pre moves like jagging. So was
Speaker 1: that was that the records? I mean, I know, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that was moved like Jack of
Speaker 1: the one that really kind of took them to the other. Yea.
Speaker 1: So they had this love and she will be loved.
Speaker 1: That was they were big, right, and then there was
Speaker 1: like a plateau kind of period. Uh, it was when
Speaker 1: I came in. I felt like Billy Preston coming in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and but then we toured that album hands all Over,
Speaker 1: which was kind of first record that they did the
Speaker 1: same way, all writing in the room together and um.
Speaker 1: And then I remember when the voice call came man
Speaker 1: and this song moves like Jagger, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of a you know, kind of a conscious effort like
Speaker 1: all right, do we want to you know, be big
Speaker 1: just here or do we want to be big big?
Speaker 1: You know? And I think I think it was a
Speaker 1: conscious effort to like turn a corner. And that's when
Speaker 1: moves like Jagger came in. And and then we did
Speaker 1: Overexposed and that was pay phone and it was like
Speaker 1: five number ones in a row usually uh are or
Speaker 1: was Maroon five? Ambracive of these new shoes that they
Speaker 1: were about to wear, because usually if you get hits
Speaker 1: that easy and that I guess palatable to to America's
Speaker 1: ears or whatnot, a lot of times out of ten
Speaker 1: people will shy away from that. You know. I've seen
Speaker 1: I've seen about ten artists have something so captain obvious
Speaker 1: that it's just like this is gonna be it for them,
Speaker 1: and I'll find that they will figure out a way
Speaker 1: to get out of that situation. But with these guys,
Speaker 1: especially once um overexposed happens and stuff like h like,
Speaker 1: was it even hesitgency? Like what was the feelings of, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this reality show and this month? I
Speaker 1: think there was there. It was hesitant initially just for
Speaker 1: the show, right, just because at that time, I guess
Speaker 1: moves like I mean, the voice was like a Dutch
Speaker 1: show or something like that, right, and it it had
Speaker 1: been kind of successful, but nobody knew what it was
Speaker 1: gonna be here in the States, so they were like, man,
Speaker 1: reality TV, you know, we're a band, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: We don't know. And then that ended up being like
Speaker 1: a huge blessing for us, like we premiered every single
Speaker 1: on there that went number one. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I got more out well straight up, I always say
Speaker 1: that the coaches are the winners. Yeah, yeah, who's the
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson of a voice? Who's the It was your
Speaker 1: boy Noel what's his name? That peach back And he
Speaker 1: came one like the second year Adam. He was one
Speaker 1: of Adam's winners. But he actually had a record out
Speaker 1: like ten years before the Africa. I know you're talking
Speaker 1: about you can Eat for Hours. Yeah, yeah, he won
Speaker 1: the voice like second year, I think, yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: see one, but I know you're talking about but not
Speaker 1: Navier had a record out before. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: figure it out. I didn't know it because I know
Speaker 1: that the Peach for Hour dude toward with Us he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was on Raucus Smokey Robinson. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think, um, at least I mean for for
Speaker 1: Adam and Blake, it really like put it put a
Speaker 1: you know, a battery in our backs and like the
Speaker 1: only reason why I know who Blake shot us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember Adam saying who was going to be on
Speaker 1: the show that first season with c Christina, him and Blake.
Speaker 1: He and I remember us calling him the country guy
Speaker 1: because we didn't know, you know, he was like, this
Speaker 1: is some country guy. And then but a year later, Blake,
Speaker 1: I mean, and he was already huge in that world,
Speaker 1: but we just didn't didn't know, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a natural fit for television. Yeah, he actually I think
Speaker 1: after sitting after sitting in with Us, Adam said in
Speaker 1: with the with Us on a particular day that whoever
Speaker 1: is the showrunner or the voice happened to be at
Speaker 1: thirty Rock and saw it was like, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: is charismatic whatever, and then at the commercial break they
Speaker 1: that's when they actually pitched it. Like, I think it
Speaker 1: was great for him because that was the thing. Nobody
Speaker 1: knew his personality and he is a cool, fun person,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of a perfect fit for TV.
Speaker 1: And there's just something to be said about being in
Speaker 1: people's houses three times a week at night. It just
Speaker 1: starts to you three times a week. Yeah, once they
Speaker 1: get into those live shows and the competition and the
Speaker 1: it's a lot of you know what I'm saying, um,
Speaker 1: And that's just I mean, if even if you're I
Speaker 1: mean think with Cosby Show, even if it's one week,
Speaker 1: one day a week, you know what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: start to know those people. And it just really helped
Speaker 1: because now as being an artist, you know, it goes
Speaker 1: way beyond the music. It's like, oh I like him,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna support So they felt start to feel
Speaker 1: like they knew Adam in a different way. You know,
Speaker 1: my mom knows him now, so that's how I know
Speaker 1: it's official. Yeah, I bought my wife a car, and
Speaker 1: this guy who's selling me the car was like, oh
Speaker 1: the voice my name is Ruthy Rute. So how does
Speaker 1: that So how does that work in terms of I
Speaker 1: mean in terms of your life, because you know, you're
Speaker 1: part of this you know, huge band, but you also
Speaker 1: just you like, are you able to still go to
Speaker 1: the grocery store and just in peace? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the benefits. I mean, well, now I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I've started to have my own thing because
Speaker 1: of my my records and stuff, and some of the
Speaker 1: stuff is happening. But I think one of the coolest
Speaker 1: parts about like Mickey, you know, the bass player, is
Speaker 1: they've they've they've been equal partners for years, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, since eighth grade. And he can walk anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So have the same life,
Speaker 1: but but but not the not the fame. There's something
Speaker 1: to that that's kind of cool. Me being the only
Speaker 1: black guy. I think James long hair guy and then
Speaker 1: me black guy. They're like, okay, you know what, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, I think that's kind of a I knew
Speaker 1: he I know he enjoys that, you know what, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because he's got that same life. Um, but for me
Speaker 1: it's not as bad. Not unless we go to like
Speaker 1: South America something like what they really know you Asia,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're like, I'm I'm waiting for PJ.
Speaker 1: How okay? So how are you able to split? How
Speaker 1: are you guys able to divide h Adam voice time
Speaker 1: with Maroom five studio and recording time and p J
Speaker 1: Morton studio recording, songwriting, producing time. It took me a minute.
Speaker 1: So maybe the first couple of years I just was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to be in Maron five.
Speaker 1: You know, so how long just how long have you
Speaker 1: been in the band at this point nine years in July. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so that first I just had to figure it
Speaker 1: out and I wasn't doing anything. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: when they called me, I felt like it was a
Speaker 1: prayer being answered because I was burnt. I was kind
Speaker 1: of burnt out, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's cool, I don't need I don't want to focus
Speaker 1: on me for a while. So that first little while
Speaker 1: was just like me just being in the band. And
Speaker 1: then um, but when I started to get back into
Speaker 1: my stuff I signed a young money, like my second
Speaker 1: year being in Maroon five, And that's when I'm gonna
Speaker 1: how are those baby checks? Just that smile right there,
Speaker 1: it tells me you got stories finished that I've never
Speaker 1: seen the baby check. I knew that anyway, but um
Speaker 1: but but so so when I started to get him
Speaker 1: to my artist thing, the voice came right and it
Speaker 1: was kind of a help because then on our calendar,
Speaker 1: I could see like, oh, he's got live shows right here,
Speaker 1: he's taping right here. So it kind of allowed me
Speaker 1: to like do my stuff in these gaps. I mean,
Speaker 1: it made me busier than everybody, but I just used
Speaker 1: those gaps. So I hired us here, high us there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take three weeks off here. And because like
Speaker 1: before the voice, rehearsals would be called just out of
Speaker 1: the blue, like hey, y'all, let's rehearse that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But then when the voice came, it
Speaker 1: was like everything started to be structured, structured a little
Speaker 1: bit more because it had to be so I could
Speaker 1: play stuff. Yeah, hey, can you just describe did you
Speaker 1: have a relationship at all with Jordan's Yeah? I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was what was he like Jordan's. Um is uh
Speaker 1: Jonah Hill's brother who used to manage five and passed away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan was so so so Jordan's has been their manager
Speaker 1: since the beginning. Um and they probably could tell this
Speaker 1: story better. But the reason he that what separated him
Speaker 1: because he was a young man. He's probably just a
Speaker 1: year older than them. Um. He bought the whole band
Speaker 1: cell phones. He was like, if you let me manage,
Speaker 1: I buy you all cell phones. And literally until I
Speaker 1: was in the band, until Jordan passed away, we got
Speaker 1: new phones every time a new phone came out. So
Speaker 1: I think that became a tradition man of his management.
Speaker 1: But Jordan's was like a kind of a silent genius.
Speaker 1: He was. Yeah, he when I when I talked to
Speaker 1: him about strategy, When he started to talk to me
Speaker 1: about strategy and how he would roll out things kind
Speaker 1: of blew my mind, you know. But he was very quiet.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the buddy buddy manager, even though he was a
Speaker 1: year older. It was he was like, not buddy buddy.
Speaker 1: It was like business, you know what I'm saying, which
Speaker 1: is kind of you know whatever it was. I had
Speaker 1: to get used to that part and understand who Jordan
Speaker 1: was in that way. Um, but man, he was. He
Speaker 1: was a silent, silent killer man, you know in his planning. Um,
Speaker 1: I saw how his brain worked, Like one time when
Speaker 1: he we were talking about my stuff and he was
Speaker 1: saying how he saw and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why you're Jordan's Felstein, Like I get it now,
Speaker 1: like you Yeah, that was a lost man. Time was
Speaker 1: a cool cat MANI. Um, So with where you are
Speaker 1: now in your career and you know, I'm I'm really
Speaker 1: curious on the moves that you make because me also
Speaker 1: being a multi tasker and different things. Um, should your
Speaker 1: situation elevate? Do you still see it as a way
Speaker 1: where you can do both at the same time or yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean and we kind of had that. So so
Speaker 1: when I when I signed a Young Money, when that
Speaker 1: record came out, Um, and what you was that was that? Uh?
Speaker 1: That record came out? Ok, and um, they let me
Speaker 1: open up a tour, they let me open up. It
Speaker 1: was me opening up with my soul band and then
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson and then Maroon and then we went to
Speaker 1: Europe and it was me Robin thinking Maroon. UM and
Speaker 1: Adam told me in the beginning, like, bro, if you
Speaker 1: get as big as us, then we'll just have to
Speaker 1: co headline or something. You know. So the support is
Speaker 1: there now you can't leave, But I don't see a reason,
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel a need to leave, just because
Speaker 1: I think people leave for not being appreciated, right, And
Speaker 1: they showed me like we support you. Like the whole
Speaker 1: joke this time around at the Grammys was Pj's up
Speaker 1: for three Grammys Maroons up for one? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But that was a joke in the chat,
Speaker 1: like at least, at least PJ can win a Grammy
Speaker 1: around here, you know, yeah, they won three early on.
Speaker 1: You know, Grammys really liked songs about Jane that error, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but once yeah, I mean the best New Artists. They
Speaker 1: beat Kanye for Best New Artists. But like so early on,
Speaker 1: But I think the support is there, and if the
Speaker 1: schedule remains like because to be honest, we've we've started
Speaker 1: to tour less um for the same amount, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like have the same impact. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I toured more than Maroon
Speaker 1: did last year, you know what I'm saying. I went
Speaker 1: all around the world and Maroon we did like two
Speaker 1: US runs last year, so it's allowed me to to
Speaker 1: to get my space. So um, there definitely have been
Speaker 1: a couple of conflicts in the past. I had to
Speaker 1: pass up some big things that I thought But in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, it's just it hasn't seemed
Speaker 1: worked it to me yet to like have to leave
Speaker 1: I'm cool, you know, yeah, I like I like both.
Speaker 1: Just to rewind a little bit, can we talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the Was there an adjustment period for
Speaker 1: you when you joined the band, because like, you're coming
Speaker 1: into a unit that's been Yeah, like that's already formed,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been together forever. Now there was there
Speaker 1: was what was cool. That's why I kind of liked
Speaker 1: when the voice happened and moves like Jagger happened, because
Speaker 1: up until then, like the two the first two years,
Speaker 1: I felt like the outsider and a little you know, everything,
Speaker 1: because they had done all of this stuff. I'm hype.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shoot, at first, my first blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But then after that, yeah, they're like, yeah, cool you
Speaker 1: it's so cute. PJ. You like you like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I look at pj enjoined but um, but
Speaker 1: after Jagger and the voice, it was new to everybody,
Speaker 1: like everything was new. Was like, oh dang five number
Speaker 1: one they had had, um, you know, like how they
Speaker 1: see number one's a lot, you know, was used to that,
Speaker 1: but like a hot one hundred, you know, like real
Speaker 1: number one. Um, it's a whole different thing. And we
Speaker 1: started to see. So then we became closer because we
Speaker 1: were experiencing all this stuff all together, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Um, But musically, because I was, I was
Speaker 1: curious in that way with Bill asked, I'm like, musically,
Speaker 1: did you always feel comfortable giving your full stuff where
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I'm at a job. I know what
Speaker 1: they expected me. I'm not going to give them all
Speaker 1: this church That's now. I wasn't. I was. I was
Speaker 1: coming off of your question. That's that's what I was
Speaker 1: just starting with your I was expanding. But was there
Speaker 1: a period for that too, like when you felt like
Speaker 1: all right or did you always just feel like this
Speaker 1: is me and I'm gonna just be me and I
Speaker 1: think with anything? And my my take was always what
Speaker 1: what what do I bring to the table? You know
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't a selfish thing of like I
Speaker 1: want to I want to make sure I put PJ
Speaker 1: in there somewhere. No, I was just wondering because of
Speaker 1: your background and might be different than their especially musically
Speaker 1: because of that church background. Like when that came into
Speaker 1: a fact, I think what I started to what I
Speaker 1: started to realize what it was. There was like less
Speaker 1: different about us, Like they listened to whatever rock music
Speaker 1: that was going, right, But then I didn't. I hadn't
Speaker 1: listened to a lot of that stuff. I mean I
Speaker 1: was a big Beatles guy, big James Taylor guy, So
Speaker 1: I had listened to a lot of music. But um,
Speaker 1: what I realized was that That's what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: first audition, I was like, Oh, we're kind of the same,
Speaker 1: Like we could they could play, like Adam could play.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Those guys can play. So
Speaker 1: I I just felt like, oh, it's just musicians. Kind
Speaker 1: of gotta say I didn't know that he was a shredder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying all that was new to me once. I
Speaker 1: was a fan of this love and all of that stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: I watched TRL when you know what I'm saying I
Speaker 1: was a fan and still and I knew the music
Speaker 1: was cool, like those diminished chords. But I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: but this is a record, you know. But when I
Speaker 1: got in that room, I'm like, oh, this is like
Speaker 1: what I'm used to. This is like the Homies. We
Speaker 1: can all play, so, you know, And so there wasn't
Speaker 1: a big adjustment. They had to be three for me there,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was doing what I
Speaker 1: do and I related to that stuff. Um, I think
Speaker 1: with Maroon because so they were a punk rock band
Speaker 1: initially called Cares Flowers and then they added another member,
Speaker 1: became five and after they had listened to Stevie Wonder
Speaker 1: and kind of said, Okay, I'm gonna mix all of
Speaker 1: this stuff, and you know their version of mixing it
Speaker 1: Timberland and Missy Stevie and all this rock stuff that
Speaker 1: we grew up with. Right, So when I hear Maroon,
Speaker 1: I hear the more of the soul stuff the side
Speaker 1: that side, And they probably hear a different way, but
Speaker 1: for me it was like it translated to me, you know,
Speaker 1: it was meant to be. So how how are songs written?
Speaker 1: Is it jam sessions? Is the sound check is it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that was before I got they're really like the
Speaker 1: jam sessions, the together thing. Uh, it became a little
Speaker 1: more of a machine businessman. Yeah, um post post jack.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just saying, like a joint, like girl
Speaker 1: like you whatever, Like is it like you all jamming
Speaker 1: one day and say hey, let's do that or was
Speaker 1: it like a song that someone written. Yeah, that came in.
Speaker 1: That came in from a songwriter and we we kind
Speaker 1: of just put our things on it and Adam usually
Speaker 1: with those people, what about like wait, the new the weight,
Speaker 1: like the jam? Wait, how did that? Man? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: love way to Yeah that's the only joint I could
Speaker 1: do this too. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly right. So okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there all right, Yeah, let's let's get it.
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm ready started. Well, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: angle you was going for, but I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say that I would like to have seen you more
Speaker 1: on that's both stage. I told him that when I
Speaker 1: saw him in person, I was like, you were the
Speaker 1: only black man they didn't really show too much of
Speaker 1: But that's that's not what your point was. I knew.
Speaker 1: So wherever you was gonna go with your super Bowl
Speaker 1: you know, soun like his or because for me, I
Speaker 1: was like, PJ is going to be on the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl half time show. I ain't supposed to be watching
Speaker 1: this ship, but PJ is doing it, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: watch it. Right. So that's when I was like, well wait, wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh wait is that an orange hat? Wait? How how nervous?
Speaker 1: I mean I'm certain that you know, it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to you know, too ignore you know, whatever social media dictates.
Speaker 1: But how nervous where you guys are worried about rocking
Speaker 1: the boat with the unpopular decision of doing the halftime show. Um,
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of phases of it, right, like
Speaker 1: my initial I remember when, and these were hardly my decisions, right,
Speaker 1: I'm I was, I was gonna be rocking. I was
Speaker 1: gonna be back there playing my keyboard, you know what.
Speaker 1: But but but um, there were phases like I remember
Speaker 1: the initial when Adam told me pace time me and say, bro,
Speaker 1: we got the super Bowl. I was like, I've been
Speaker 1: on the Super Bowl. Everyone's dream, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that was my initial thing. Then I say, ah, damn,
Speaker 1: it wasn't this season. Between those two thoughts. How much
Speaker 1: time in between? Um no, that was probably like the
Speaker 1: next day when I was like, oh shoot, but that
Speaker 1: and then um so then there was the phase of like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't think we don't think we should do it,
Speaker 1: you know, once the soft announcement came, the leak whatever
Speaker 1: that was. Once that came and I saw him like, man,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. We we got a great career,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So we went there. Then the petition came.
Speaker 1: There was a petition. There was a petition for us
Speaker 1: not to play. Oh wait, not even the artists and
Speaker 1: they won't play. Just I got the thoughts on the
Speaker 1: artists saying they wouldn't play. I don't know, yes, I
Speaker 1: don't know that. As many artists were presented the opportunity.
Speaker 1: It's easy, course you would say no if you're not right.
Speaker 1: It's easy to boycott fucking Gucy when you can't afford it.
Speaker 1: So so I can't really speak on that part. But
Speaker 1: there was a petition for us not to play. And
Speaker 1: then that's when I turned right, because this is me,
Speaker 1: so I'm a cap supporter, right. I didn't watch football
Speaker 1: all season when my Saints was bawling out on everybody.
Speaker 1: And I love, Yes, I hate the refs. I don't
Speaker 1: hate l A. I'm like, look l A like so
Speaker 1: Maroon and all of them l A. They were they
Speaker 1: were apologizing to me. I felt bad for them because
Speaker 1: they were in the position like what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Overturn that? Give them the ball? Yeah we did, but
Speaker 1: so I didn't watch. Yeah, that's what James would say.
Speaker 1: I'm still um so so so when the petition came,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, I'm boycotting football, right, like for cap um. First,
Speaker 1: CAP isn't telling me anything. I'm not hearing anything from CAP,
Speaker 1: like as leadership, right, and I'm looking. So when Eric
Speaker 1: read get signed to the to the Panthers, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, what are we doing? Are we happy about this?
Speaker 1: Eric Reid was the guy who kneeled next to him
Speaker 1: and also and also got black balled, right, but what
Speaker 1: was was a superstar right and needed to be playing
Speaker 1: football signed to the Panthers. And so then I started
Speaker 1: getting confused on the cherry picking of Okay, so he
Speaker 1: can work, he can play for the NFL and support CAP,
Speaker 1: but I can't. But I can't play one game and
Speaker 1: support CAP and also also we're we're boycott is so
Speaker 1: Cap can play for this corporation that you don't want
Speaker 1: me to play for. Y'all need to find a god
Speaker 1: damn agenda. So what I'm saying, right, So like certain things,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean social media, it was just like
Speaker 1: a lot of cherry picking, right, So, like you know,
Speaker 1: people saying they're not playing the super Bowl, but then
Speaker 1: they play super Bowl parties but they do super Bowl
Speaker 1: commercials or like, so I'm like, okay, and then even
Speaker 1: even Jay asking Travis not to perform, but then Chloe
Speaker 1: and Halley perform and it's in the whale House, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, beautiful. They did great. By the way, they
Speaker 1: really did. What I'm just saying was trying to get
Speaker 1: you out to place so we could get read it
Speaker 1: or on the bill or something. You know that she's
Speaker 1: still signed the Rock Nation. Didn't she think she got
Speaker 1: out of it? Well, I still have no idea. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so that's when that's when I started to feel like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I love everybody, but like also forget everybody, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because ultimately, and this is what I
Speaker 1: felt like, because I think it's about disruption, right, what
Speaker 1: would actually disrupt. It's not me not playing the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: because if we say no, then somebody else is gonna
Speaker 1: come and play, and it's gonna like even even the like,
Speaker 1: the closest thing I can um like compared to was
Speaker 1: that Trump inauguration thing, right, and we don't really yeah
Speaker 1: exactly what Crossette and you know, but but but she
Speaker 1: fucked she is. But my point is you don't remember
Speaker 1: who turned it down. They're they're not remembered, right. It's
Speaker 1: to please a certain group of people, which I didn't agree.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have I wouldn't have played
Speaker 1: the Trump inauguration. But what I'm saying is you don't
Speaker 1: remember those people, So why not just have that platform
Speaker 1: and be able to speak as loud as I can
Speaker 1: to Yes, that particular aforementioned person wants to come on
Speaker 1: qors conversation. We've got some good conversations. Yeah, but wait,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this then, because we know
Speaker 1: that we didn't get the press conference that we usually
Speaker 1: get because whatever, we don't want to be asked the questions.
Speaker 1: And we know that in that press release it was
Speaker 1: like marooting five is gonna give you. We're gonna show
Speaker 1: you what we're gonna do in our performance. So my
Speaker 1: question was, as watching that performance, is is that gospel
Speaker 1: in that Travis? Is that what y'all showing me? That
Speaker 1: is that how you feel? Is the gospel and the
Speaker 1: Travis Scott like the we gave y'all how we feel.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I didn't see that interview or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was a press release instead of them actually and
Speaker 1: Steady all actually doing the press conference, which both half
Speaker 1: times that yeah, and the last the first time a
Speaker 1: press conference. But so they sent out and they sent
Speaker 1: out a press release and basically it read inflammation that
Speaker 1: we're going to show you through our performance how we feel. Well.
Speaker 1: I think I think the group's um position was we're
Speaker 1: just gonna play music, you know, like we can't get
Speaker 1: caught up. And also I think that is just to
Speaker 1: to feel woke, you know what I'm saying, but not
Speaker 1: actually be it's performing performing I'm doing I'm doing that. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I think that's what he wanted to do. I think
Speaker 1: that's just what he wanted to do as a performance. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a statement or anything, because
Speaker 1: you know, we would think it would be a statement
Speaker 1: if you didn't make a statement. He said the statement
Speaker 1: was gonna be on stage. So I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: stage like choir and I barely see p J. That's
Speaker 1: all right, that's a statement. I think that was a
Speaker 1: director cameraman thing, not like, yeah, I feel you. I listen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a cut a cut of rehearsal that I saw.
Speaker 1: I was. I was on a little bit more so
Speaker 1: I was surprised when I looked back, I was like, oh, word,
Speaker 1: like it's something my hat had listen I played the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You didn't admit that the NFL is worse
Speaker 1: than crack because niggas just can't be quitted no matter
Speaker 1: what to dune. Because that's how I feel my well,
Speaker 1: for me, it's I think, I think the NFL is
Speaker 1: something that it's gonna be. It's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 1: see how it develops over the next ten fifteen years,
Speaker 1: because what's happening is you're not seeing a lot of
Speaker 1: kids playing football no more like even like with my keys,
Speaker 1: I kind of helped my son basketball and baseball. That's it,
Speaker 1: and really more even more so basketball because baseball, I mean,
Speaker 1: basketball is like social so it's like, you know, they
Speaker 1: want to. You know, they can put their ship up
Speaker 1: on I G or whatever. Like my sons they love basketball,
Speaker 1: but football, like that's like some kind of like barbaric ship.
Speaker 1: But it would be fun. I mean not for nothing.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, like it might die because
Speaker 1: it's barbaric, but not because they're just treating niggas like
Speaker 1: we don't give a fun. No. No, I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna have to die out a little bit. I
Speaker 1: think I don't think. I think it's less about that.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I know it is. Yeah, it's less
Speaker 1: about what I'm saying. I know it is because how
Speaker 1: many times they have to tell you you don't matter
Speaker 1: to me, Like I don't know, They're do it in
Speaker 1: so many different ways. You can't even own a team, nigga,
Speaker 1: you don't match. I mean, at least they fake about them.
Speaker 1: I mean I want did I'm gonna say more for
Speaker 1: that than the NBA had the same situation with old
Speaker 1: boy from Sacramento the coach or the owner. Right. I
Speaker 1: think the NBA does They do a good job as
Speaker 1: far as even just dealing with them in the office.
Speaker 1: Even Chris Paul and like the people who like it's
Speaker 1: a different maundset. My thing is just like when I
Speaker 1: see niggas get on that ship, I'm just like, look, man,
Speaker 1: you motherfucker's, live your life and let me live. Mind like,
Speaker 1: don't speak for other motherfucker's because you don't know what
Speaker 1: they're putting up. So you're asking p J. Morton and
Speaker 1: Moon five don't play the super Bowl. You don't know
Speaker 1: what this band is doing with his super Bowl check.
Speaker 1: You don't know how many other people you're supporting. You
Speaker 1: don't know what the gonna have a revolution with that
Speaker 1: way of thought, are just any time in your bank account.
Speaker 1: My thing is petition all the players, petition all the
Speaker 1: players to not play, and then we don't have we
Speaker 1: don't have a super Bowl. Right. But again he goes
Speaker 1: back to my point of NFL is worse than crack.
Speaker 1: It's an addiction, and who's going to do with that.
Speaker 1: It's not those guys. Those guys are doing a job
Speaker 1: and they get paid in the in the higher three,
Speaker 1: they get paid the least. So it is that too.
Speaker 1: It's like the injuries to pay and what the NFL
Speaker 1: versus the in the MLB and the fucking NBA. It's
Speaker 1: just totally different game. The money game is different. No
Speaker 1: it is yeah, no, no no. And the treat the
Speaker 1: treatment is different. I mean, NBA, if you get hurt,
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit on that bench and still collect your check.
Speaker 1: I get that part. But sometimes that's when I heard
Speaker 1: somebody talk about it, and they talk about the injuries,
Speaker 1: even I think, uh my boy from Oakland, Um, But
Speaker 1: but when he was like, but if this is my
Speaker 1: shot to take care of my family and do all
Speaker 1: of this, let me let me do that. How do
Speaker 1: you fight that? How you can't? I tell you how
Speaker 1: you do it? You blame a round five and say
Speaker 1: y'all shouldn't play that halftime. So you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because because then, because because because you don't have you
Speaker 1: don't have it in you to be like, don't play football,
Speaker 1: don't do your job, don't feed your kids. So hey,
Speaker 1: big band that's playing the halftime show for twelve minutes,
Speaker 1: y'all be the ones to disrupt this old thing and
Speaker 1: and boycott nevertis just paying all this money to put
Speaker 1: it out on the show. We're not going to boycott you.
Speaker 1: But talking about PEPSI yeah, you're I don't care what
Speaker 1: we do is it. I don't care if t Linty
Speaker 1: owned slaves. Now we are not boycott. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Specier ship and the clear thing
Speaker 1: with the brown top. Yeah that's what it was called neither.
Speaker 1: I never knew how pronouncing the fancy with Yeah, that's something.
Speaker 1: But I pray they don't do nothing wrong. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's listen. I guess my thing is just like, look,
Speaker 1: we live in America. This America was founded by racist
Speaker 1: white people that felt like you niggas ain't ship worked
Speaker 1: for us. So anything you do, any industry you work in,
Speaker 1: whatever you do, it goes back to the original sin
Speaker 1: so asked niggas the boycotting look nigga like. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I was in a weird position because I
Speaker 1: was boycotting and still didn't know what to do. I
Speaker 1: didn't still did Colin didn't call you, He still didn't say, like, listen,
Speaker 1: when Eric read signed to the Panthers, I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: kind of over. I'm like, what do we what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Apparently every time it comes out that they
Speaker 1: say he doesn't really want to play, I see people
Speaker 1: come out. My buddy Shaun King saying that is not true.
Speaker 1: He wants to play. He's working out every day. So
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'm kind of confused, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like genuinely, as a supporter of
Speaker 1: the movement, I didn't know where to go, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like so rees playing, we congratulate that.
Speaker 1: I saw people congratulate him from making a stand and
Speaker 1: coming and coming back and he still kneels every game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just no disruption really yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: cap Is is the face of the movement and you
Speaker 1: know so, but people aren't gonna be happy until the
Speaker 1: face has got a job. I know. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is cap tell me what to do after air
Speaker 1: Reed get signed, like he didn't need to say or somebody.
Speaker 1: There's no there's a lack of leadership there. And I'm
Speaker 1: saying that as a supporter like that was That's why
Speaker 1: I got offended because I'm like, oh, you're petitioning me.
Speaker 1: I bet you've been watching football every week. I've been
Speaker 1: sacrificing not watching football, and you want to petition me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was it was
Speaker 1: let's not forget it ain't all about him neither, because
Speaker 1: it was all about what he was really nailing forward
Speaker 1: to what you got past that? Right, So what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I could. I could do
Speaker 1: my job and be against police brutality and be against
Speaker 1: and before peacefully protesting. I can support. I can do
Speaker 1: both of those contain multitudes, niggers. I can do all
Speaker 1: that ship at the same damn time. Yet if everybody
Speaker 1: just logged off social media, it's that I'm waiting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we damn can we can we have a chance? Can
Speaker 1: I do this? No, you can't do it. You can't
Speaker 1: do it. You got you too addicted. You are too addicted.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, challenge accepted. What we're really saying, what we're saying,
Speaker 1: I'm saying your stories be like Michael X the movie
Speaker 1: saying the babies. So what we're saying is that you're
Speaker 1: going you're gonna know how important Rodney Allen Rippy was
Speaker 1: not that. This is what you're saying is you're not
Speaker 1: going to be on social media till this episode air's
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. I don't think he can
Speaker 1: afford to do that. So I waited at the break
Speaker 1: while I canna be working on an album. I did
Speaker 1: like a month and all of that. When it is
Speaker 1: time to I guess you get you can get your
Speaker 1: people to It doesn't feel the same though, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this much. I only do it really a majority
Speaker 1: of my interaction. It's during the show when I'm bored
Speaker 1: my computers. Partly, what's a part of the problem with
Speaker 1: social media is just having access to people's thoughts all
Speaker 1: the time in your pocket and just be digging in
Speaker 1: your pocket all time, just reading some random motherfucker thinks
Speaker 1: any time of the day. That's not healthy. You don't
Speaker 1: need that ship in your life. You don't like there's
Speaker 1: like a psychological I think like some scientists like broke
Speaker 1: this paper is like basically like we only have the capacity.
Speaker 1: I think it's something around like it's like thirty to
Speaker 1: fifty people. That's like the most that your brain can handle.
Speaker 1: It's not even that, it's just mostly people are just
Speaker 1: full of ship. Can you give them a platform where
Speaker 1: they can say whatever? The option to freeze our accounts.
Speaker 1: You can deactivate, man, don't you You could just be
Speaker 1: off just don't race it off your phone and like
Speaker 1: a freeze option. No, you don't. You don't. You don't
Speaker 1: have to do it. Doesn't like whet a social diet,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. Just delete the app from your
Speaker 1: phone and don't log on your on your computer. But
Speaker 1: then who's going to I wanted this to be a
Speaker 1: want this to be a QLs challenge. Dude, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You do it for a month, wen, I'm
Speaker 1: like two months deep already, so I don't have any
Speaker 1: friends in the I can do it usually usually when
Speaker 1: I get in trouble. Usually when I get in trouble,
Speaker 1: I can freeze. You can tell when a mirrors in trouble.
Speaker 1: Usually you don't see a post from me from like
Speaker 1: a week and two. I gotta So I don't think
Speaker 1: I take a quit Twitter. I don't think he could.
Speaker 1: I mean, I listen, I want to quit all this ship,
Speaker 1: but I gotta. I got out to sale. So like
Speaker 1: ship loll off, you ain't got to interact with them.
Speaker 1: But I don't interact as much as I used to
Speaker 1: for the very reason that you visit like we've all
Speaker 1: slowed down significantly. Yeah, pick up stick. Wait wait, this
Speaker 1: leads back to the very beginning of the show. I
Speaker 1: saw something very weird on the Sugar Network yesterday. I
Speaker 1: was singing Barry Manolo again. No, I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: it was knowing no this one time, not even yesterday,
Speaker 1: but back in February. Great, great word right, one of
Speaker 1: the Sugar Network dude was out. I swear to It
Speaker 1: was cold as hell, it was icy, it was cold,
Speaker 1: it was like sleep outside, and like he opted to
Speaker 1: do his his own network under your network or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. Wait, you're really in the network, yeah, Robbie
Speaker 1: let Yeah, I don't know if that's what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: But can he just continue to tell that woman, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that you knew who come twice? No,
Speaker 1: that's I realized that when he'd rather stand outside like
Speaker 1: twenty degree freezing weather instead of staying inside the warm
Speaker 1: where you know Shakeenheimer. You m yeah, Like that's what
Speaker 1: I knew that this is bad. People on the Sugar
Speaker 1: Network will walk to the ends of the frozen earth
Speaker 1: for Sugar Steve. That's what I love it. Man. Okay,
Speaker 1: My closest question, what do you what do you what
Speaker 1: do your future players wait before anything? Yeah? What was
Speaker 1: it like we're doing with your hero Stevie wonder Man.
Speaker 1: Um So, like I said, I worked with him on
Speaker 1: the Young Money album, but that was kind of like
Speaker 1: so much money question to ask you, So just young
Speaker 1: Money wasn't as random as it. Young money not cash money.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Yeah, all my everything. You still
Speaker 1: had any issues east So mcmahin the president was we
Speaker 1: went to high school together, the president of Young Money
Speaker 1: that yeah, um and was all throughout that whole Drake Nikki,
Speaker 1: but we went to high school together and so he
Speaker 1: was like a fan of mine. And when Wayne was
Speaker 1: locked up, when we started to talk about it and
Speaker 1: you just got out. But I think they were in
Speaker 1: a way kind of trying to open it up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and make it your prestige exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, they were trying to diversify, and um so
Speaker 1: I was in an effort to do that. Um and
Speaker 1: I managed to release an album in a year, and
Speaker 1: you gotta add out for mcmaintie. For a lot of people,
Speaker 1: weren't the last two albums on yeah yeah. Um, anyways,
Speaker 1: I don't remember why I went back to Young Money.
Speaker 1: Oh oh Stevie so so that song, but we we
Speaker 1: didn't really connect and it felt really real this time
Speaker 1: Christmas when I did his show, because I really played
Speaker 1: with him the toy opening. Yeah, but we we we
Speaker 1: like actually we actually sang and I played on his piano.
Speaker 1: He was on the on the road, on the on
Speaker 1: the keyboard, and it's just, I mean, he's literally the
Speaker 1: reason I'm doing it, you know, the reason I wanted
Speaker 1: to do this right, and and so you know, I
Speaker 1: used to kind of like shy away from the Stevie
Speaker 1: and me right because I didn't want people to be like, yo,
Speaker 1: he's trying, he's trying to copy Stevie. But I listened.
Speaker 1: I went on. I was obsessive when I was thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I would go to the Circuit City and buy
Speaker 1: in chronological order, every CD, every Stevie CD a week,
Speaker 1: every issue. Yeah, I just three is easy to go.
Speaker 1: Top three intervision music of my mind, um, with the
Speaker 1: classes where I'm coming from probably um. But so, so
Speaker 1: I was listening, and this is before I was writing
Speaker 1: any songs, before I was really really playing. And then
Speaker 1: once once I started to write, I just started I
Speaker 1: was doing stuff like Stevie. But for years I kind
Speaker 1: of tried to mute that a little bit. This last
Speaker 1: run is when I was just like, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just do what I feel, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that authentic me is part of the reason why, you know,
Speaker 1: things things started to look up this time around, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when Stevie gave me a stamp of approval,
Speaker 1: Stevie just told me he wished he wrote my song.
Speaker 1: First beginning, well, he played They played Crazy on his
Speaker 1: station too, Yeah, yeah, they've always supported yeah. But but
Speaker 1: when I played it, he walked up to me, he
Speaker 1: was like, man, I wish I wrote that song. So
Speaker 1: when when Stevie and then being on my record, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not on a lot of people's records, you know,
Speaker 1: so when he gave me the stamp, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't care about these other people, like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just beat me. I'm his son in a way. You know,
Speaker 1: it's no different thing speaking of Stevie on other people's records.
Speaker 1: I heard of rumors that if you asked Stevie to
Speaker 1: just play harmonica on the record, he'll do it, no
Speaker 1: questions asked, just because he wants to hear more harmonic
Speaker 1: on the radio. Maybe because he played harmonic on my record,
Speaker 1: he didn't sing so so maybe so yeah, the uh
Speaker 1: if you want to know a funny story, you gotta
Speaker 1: look up Rick James speaking about uh, Mr Policeman the
Speaker 1: last on side one of Street Songs cursing out Stevie
Speaker 1: Wonder over the harmonica solo. Very hilarious story. So now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask, what what is your your your two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen plays your goals? Well, I moved back to
Speaker 1: New Orleans like three years ago, and um like I
Speaker 1: told you about the Buddy Bowden House, but also I
Speaker 1: started Morton Records, and it's kind of because I saw
Speaker 1: the same business music business infrastructure that didn't exist when
Speaker 1: I was there, and the reason I had to leave
Speaker 1: was still kind of there. And um so I've started
Speaker 1: to focus on that focus on some New Orleans talent
Speaker 1: and some outside my background singers though more's I'm about
Speaker 1: to put out a record on all yeah, um so,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is is me focusing on some
Speaker 1: acts outside of me. There's just rapper three D Nat
Speaker 1: in New Orleans too that I'm about to do a
Speaker 1: record on and um yeah so so and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do another record this year, but that's that's my main
Speaker 1: focus is trying to get more than records. I mean, shoot,
Speaker 1: my little indie labels got up a Grammy already. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we did already. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to keep that going and really build the city.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about to um open up this compound in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, uh Gumbo Studios, and you know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a couple of rehearsal studios in there. When is
Speaker 1: that we're gonna because we need to do some New
Speaker 1: Orleans shows, you know when this is. But but whenever
Speaker 1: y'all come hit me up already Yeah, Okay, maybe as
Speaker 1: has New Orleans whatever it was weird, has New Orleans
Speaker 1: totally recovered from it's post Katrina. I think it's just
Speaker 1: turning that corner right now, like I feel like thirteen years,
Speaker 1: I think it's just starting because part of the thing
Speaker 1: that makes New Orleans is like the people, the energy
Speaker 1: from the people, right, and so the people were gone
Speaker 1: for so long that and it was just shell shock,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's hard to explain that experience, like of
Speaker 1: having to leave your whole city and seeing everybody gone.
Speaker 1: I think there wasn't enough attention on the mental aspect
Speaker 1: of that kids. My little sister like in her senior
Speaker 1: year in high school, having to go to Atlanta and
Speaker 1: go to another school and leave all her friends and
Speaker 1: then want to go home to New Orleans so bad
Speaker 1: that she goes back and her friends aren't even there.
Speaker 1: So then she finished. So it was this trauma man,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but now I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: starting to turn the corner and we're getting back to us.
Speaker 1: It feels like that now, you know, yeah, crazy well
Speaker 1: you know, ear's ears to you rebuilding the city and
Speaker 1: bringing it back, trying to do my my my little part.
Speaker 1: All right, that's all you can do, all right, brother Morton,
Speaker 1: We thank you for coming on the show. Thank y'all.
Speaker 1: Thank you man. Like I just wanted to just just
Speaker 1: from you. Man, I've seen your grind like i've seen
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you know teen years ago
Speaker 1: that was presor just salute to you man, just what
Speaker 1: you just the way you've been able to move just
Speaker 1: going from like I know how hard it is, you
Speaker 1: know to reinvent yourself and do like so no, no brother,
Speaker 1: just respect, salute you must love and thank you man,
Speaker 1: appreciate that and thank you for going back home, because
Speaker 1: if more artists went back home to their hometowns and
Speaker 1: built it up, and you know, we have some better cities,
Speaker 1: build it up, build it, I build it. I built
Speaker 1: it out, thanking a gamble, damn see the sun. That
Speaker 1: came to my mind was we built this, Oh God, Indiana,
Speaker 1: and now it's solid anyway. It's like Fonte and and
Speaker 1: Sugar Stephen Boss building unpaid bills somewhere children, Grover's smoking
Speaker 1: a split on Sesame Street, cussing up a store. P J. Morton,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for coming on the show, and
Speaker 1: we will see you on the next go round. Of course,
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