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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis and

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Speaker 2: joined with James Stout. We planned a more silly intro

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Speaker 2: and then decided not to do it due to the

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Speaker 2: intense nature of the topic today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so today we're going to discuss the assassinations of

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Speaker 3: the Minnesota Democrat farm labor leader Melissa Hortman and her

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Speaker 3: prefer to listen to topics like that, now will be

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Speaker 3: the time to gep this one. If you're not familiar

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Speaker 3: with this topic, I guess the news cycle has been

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Speaker 3: pretty hectic, but no.

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Speaker 2: This one's been memory hold really quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, considering we had just a straight up political assassination,

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Speaker 3: but that is what this was, and it was less

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Speaker 3: than a month ago. I don't really see people talking

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Speaker 3: I understand that the news cycle has been insane, but

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Speaker 3: so is this. So we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: So just to give you if this has somehow passed

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Speaker 3: you by or you've forgotten about it. In the very

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Speaker 3: early morning of the fourteenth of June, Minnesota DFL Democrat

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Speaker 3: Party in Minnesota is called the Democrat Farm Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: You can interchange it with Democrat, be bluffed and do so.

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Speaker 3: Minnesota DFL leader Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark were

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Speaker 3: fatally shot along with their dog shortly before State Senator

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Speaker 3: John Hoffman and his wife Yvette, had also been shot,

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Speaker 3: with a vet protecting her daughter from the bullets by

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Speaker 3: man called Vance Belter it pronounced Belter. I've watched a

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Speaker 3: o e l t e er. If you're a searching

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Speaker 3: about this online, had banged on their door, impersonating a

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Speaker 3: When they opened the door, he claimed a shooting had

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Speaker 3: been reported at their residence. At that point, if Vett

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Speaker 3: shooting at them. It appears that he shot both of

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Speaker 3: which he had made up to look like a cop car. Right,

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Speaker 3: He had a police looking a light bar in there.

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Speaker 3: He had bought some supplies apparently at a fleet farm

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Speaker 3: the license plate said police. After that, he left the

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Speaker 3: scene of at first shooting and they said it his

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Speaker 3: the police were alerted. So he went garrison, you were

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Speaker 3: telling me. He went to another public officials house who

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Speaker 2: He went to two people's houses in between the next

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Speaker 2: He then moved on to another person's house where he

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Speaker 3: And he during this time that the police officer noticed

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Speaker 3: And this person wouldn't talk to the cop, just kept

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Speaker 2: Speaking like a normal human.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a very normal I don't know how cops interact

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Speaker 3: This cop then proceeded to move towards this second of

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Speaker 3: I guess that prevented that second public official from being targeted, correct,

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Speaker 3: And that's when Bolt moved on to the Hortman home.

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Speaker 3: It seems like local cops, when they heard that there

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Speaker 3: When the cops arrived at a Hortman home, they found

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Speaker 3: In the vehicle that he abandoned, they found several AK

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Speaker 3: data brokeer websites, data brokers away. I'm like, oh, thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He remained on the run throughout that day and the next.

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Speaker 3: During that time, he purchased an e bike and an

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Speaker 2: The day before the shooting, he'd turned off his phone

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Speaker 2: and left it in a home depot. Employees the day

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Speaker 2: after the shooting found the phone turned it on. Police

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Speaker 3: Okay, he just dumped his phone. Yeah. They did also

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Speaker 3: find the location of his wife based on her cell phone. Right,

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Speaker 3: let's just explain a little bit about who this guy is.

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Speaker 3: I guess when we get on to his wife. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Belter was fifty seven years old. Is fifty seven years old.

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Speaker 3: He's a father of five. As I said, his vehicle,

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Speaker 3: we're going to get into this a bit later, contained

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Speaker 3: another list of targets and included Democrat politicians and abortion providers.

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Speaker 3: His roommates confirmed that he was a Trump supporter, but

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Speaker 3: they were still very shocked that he did this. In

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Speaker 3: all the interviews I've seen, one of his roommates, David Carlson, said, quote,

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Speaker 3: he kept things inside. He's being kind of down. He

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Speaker 3: seems like a couple of residences, like he would stay

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was renting a room in one of his

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Speaker 3: Yep. And he gave three months of rent in advance

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Speaker 3: send a messaging baie to his friends. He and his

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Speaker 3: a text message to his wife that read quote, dad

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Speaker 3: She was detained shortly after he began murdering people. In

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Speaker 3: The handgun was in a cooler. I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: She also had ten grand in cash passports, and she

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Speaker 3: seemed to be following their sort of bug out plan, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a quote unquote a bailout plan for

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Speaker 2: like this, like apocalypse prepper scenario that his wife was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his wife has been released.

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Speaker 3: There seems to be no suggestion that his wife was She.

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Speaker 2: Didn't seem to be aware of his plans to do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem a strange thing to just text

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Speaker 2: I guess sometimes preppers are just like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, if you have spent your entire life

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Speaker 3: you've been working up to this for a while. We're

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Speaker 3: in a different mindset. Yeah, talking of mindset, Garrison, I'm

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a much happier mindset than the past

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we are back, and I wanted to

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Speaker 3: because I think some of this has probably been overplayed.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly confusing because he seemingly had a lot of

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Speaker 3: Yes, what we're seeing is like LinkedIn manifesting. Right, this

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about his LinkedIn. On LinkedIn, he is listed

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Speaker 3: He brings a great security aspect forged by both many

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Speaker 3: in Japan. First of all, very difficult to read that

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Speaker 2: like texting someone because he has been to I think

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Speaker 2: Gaza is there. There's yes, No, he has been, and

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Speaker 3: So I was cruising the Portraying Guide website which someone

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Speaker 2: Now, he just loved making websites. I've looked through maybe

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Speaker 2: And by twenty twenty three, Praetorian Guard Security Services had

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Speaker 2: Which is more than just security company too. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: He also talked about helping with food supply systems. He

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't need a high level criminologist to find

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Speaker 2: a little bit at least briefly mentioned some of the

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories regarding this fella, and then we'll get into

438
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Speaker 2: some of his religious background and kind of fill in

439
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Speaker 2: the gaps from these many different business ventures he's tried

440
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Speaker 2: to get up and running. So, James, what kind of

441
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Speaker 2: theories do people have out in the world about what's

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Speaker 2: really going on here?

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Speaker 3: There have been a few, Garrison. One of their tweld

444
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Speaker 3: ones was said he was a Democrat, which is not

445
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Speaker 3: a page to be true, to have any evidence of that.

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Speaker 2: No, he did not politically register to parties for the

447
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Speaker 2: past eight years, but had supported Trump and wrote in

448
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen that the upcoming election was the most important

449
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: one of their lifetimes, which, to be fair, many people

450
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: also said.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and have said for every election since.

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Speaker 2: But he has a conservative Christian evangelical who has supported

453
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Speaker 2: Trump seemingly his main political motivating factor was abortion. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 2: as we will get into more shortly. No, not a Democrat,

455
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Speaker 2: not a Democrat, but he works for Tim Waltz. This

456
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Speaker 2: is not Tim Wall's the strongest soldier. I'm sorry, Fellows,

457
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Speaker 2: it's not true.

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Speaker 3: The reason the Democrat theory, one of the reasons behind

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Speaker 3: the Democrat theory continuing to spread is that US Senator

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Speaker 3: Might Lee shared.

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Speaker 2: It right, Yeah, in an unhinged rant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'll to pull out that tweet really quick.

463
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Speaker 3: Lee has since taken down his tweet his seat, but

464
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Speaker 3: in the seat he posted they're on Wall Street with

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Speaker 3: the picture of Belt.

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Speaker 2: Another Lee post, and that's Walls the street. To clarify

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Speaker 2: for those who do not speak British.

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Speaker 3: Esp functionally, Garrison there from Canada where they understand both

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Speaker 3: British and American English.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually we speak in native Minnesotan.

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Speaker 3: I think you are. You are uniquely equipped. Lee also

472
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Speaker 3: posted quote, this is what happened when Mark's don't get

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Speaker 3: their way, with another picture of Belter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sitting US senator calling this guy like Mike Walls,

475
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Speaker 2: like Marxist super soldier. None of this is true. Now,

476
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: Belter had been appointed to serve on a State Economic

477
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Speaker 2: Board back in twenty sixteen by then Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton,

478
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Speaker 2: one of the surviving victims of the shooting. S Senator

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Speaker 2: John Hoffman also served on this board. But this board

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Speaker 2: had forty one members. It's unclear if the two actually

481
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Speaker 2: ever interacted or knew each other. It seems unlikely. They

482
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Speaker 2: only met a few times a year as a group,

483
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Speaker 2: and most of that's been online the past few years,

484
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Speaker 2: so you're basically just joining a zoom call. We do

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Speaker 2: not think that Vance Belter and Senator John Hoffman actually

486
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Speaker 2: interacted on this board. Now, Tim Walls later reappointed Belter

487
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Speaker 2: because he just served on the board already for four years,

488
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Speaker 2: so it's not like this was a big political appointee.

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Speaker 2: This was an economic advisory board because Belter had worked

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Speaker 2: for a lot of different corporations, So this is really

491
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Speaker 2: not a real connection. Walls did not know this guy,

492
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Speaker 2: and certainly this guy was not a Marxist, nor was

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Speaker 2: it carrying out orders from a future Lieutenant Commander of

494
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Speaker 2: the Midwest, Tim Walls and the People's the People's Army

495
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Speaker 2: of the Midwest Western America. What's actually going on here

496
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: is that instead of being a Marxist, this guy is

497
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Speaker 2: a pretty bog standard evangelical. Bilter got a diploma in

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Speaker 2: quote Practical theology in Leadership and Pastoral from the Christ

499
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Speaker 2: for the Nation's Institute in Dallas back in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: who was ordained in nineteen ninety three. Instead of security

501
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: consulting work, it seems most of his overseas travel was

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Speaker 2: actually missionary work. Starting nineteen ninety three, Bolter and his

503
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: wife ran a Christian nonprofit called The Reformation Ministries. According

504
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Speaker 2: to Federal tax records version of this ministry's website archive

505
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Speaker 2: from twenty eleven says that Bolter travels to Gaza and

506
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: the West Bank during the Second Intifada, where he quote

507
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: sought out militant Islamists in order to share the Gospel

508
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Speaker 2: and tell them that violence wasn't the answer unquote. There's

509
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: a lot of things to unpack there. Evidently this guy

510
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 2: eventually determined that violence was the answer.

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Speaker 3: So right, yeah, it's some simile hypocritical.

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Speaker 2: Certainly actually took a took a note from the militants.

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Speaker 2: In the end, it does seem like he was traveling

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East in the nineties. This does seem to

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Speaker 2: be true. In twenty and six, he self published a

516
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Christian book called original Ability Can man Obey God? Unfortunately

517
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: I have not been able to locate a copy of

518
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: this book. It seems to not really exist online. Many

519
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: such cases as a self published Christian book from twos

520
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: and six that this was before you could use like

521
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, Amazon publishing as readily as you do now

522
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 2: now all of the Crank book I can easily buy

523
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 2: on Amazon the day after shooting. Not the case for

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Speaker 2: this now. Bolter did work in the food industry. It

525
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: worked for Johnsonville Sausage Gerber seven to eleven, and this

526
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: was what he did for most of his career. CNN

527
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: claims that in twenty twenty one, he quit his job

528
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: and started traveling to the Democratic Republic of Congo more

529
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Speaker 2: frequently to do missionary work and with the express interest

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Speaker 2: in solving hunger. Friends say that after quitting his job,

531
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: he started putting more of his money into these bizarre

532
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: startup businesses like security work and this fishing company in

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Speaker 2: the Congo. A friend who asked to remain anonymous told

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Speaker 2: CNN quote, I was more on the side of, hey, buddy,

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Speaker 2: this doesn't sound right. It's irresponsible to quit your job

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Speaker 2: and now you're burning through cash. It just made no

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Speaker 2: sense to me. Unquote.

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Speaker 3: I guess we should addressed the name of that company

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Speaker 3: as a conspiracy that I'd forgotten Garrison.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, Oh, another conspiracy just dropped in.

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Speaker 3: Some of the herald reassociated with the non existent state

542
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Speaker 3: of Rhodesia are red lions. I don't see any particular

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Speaker 3: evidence that is where he got his red line from.

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00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: I think from the Crusades and the heraldry associated with

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: that is much more likely given what you've just outlined. Yeah,

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00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: that makes sense to me as well. He doesn't strike

547
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: me as like I'm sure this person probably wasn't like woke,

548
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 3: but like his whole thing is not racist.

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00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Evidently not. Actually we can say for certain this guy

550
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: that work.

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00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, not woke confirmed, But he's not like

552
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: a massive racist, Like he's not no, like that's not

553
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: his main motivating factor here. Yes, No, he's not the

554
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: next last Rhodesion.

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Speaker 2: He's he's racist in the way that all Christian missionaries

556
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: who go to countries full of not white people are racist,

557
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: but not in like the neo Nazi Rhodesian way.

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00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: Now, his friend and roommate to David Carlson told scene

560
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: end quote the problem is he quit all his jobs

561
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: to go down there. Then he comes back and tries

562
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: to find new jobs. Wasn't working out too good? Quote

563
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: that's saying mildly. Yeah. As recently it's twenty twenty three,

564
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Speaker 2: Belter was still preaching evangelical sermons in the Congo. In

565
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: one sermon uploaded to YouTube, he attacked game trans people,

566
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Speaker 2: saying quote, the enemy has gotten so far into their

567
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Speaker 2: mind and their soul. In another sermon, he preached against

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Speaker 2: churches that affirmed a woman's right to choose and said quote,

569
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: God will raise an apostle or prophet to correct their course.

570
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: God is going to raise apostles and prophets in America

571
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: to correct his church. Unquote interesting, which might sound a

572
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 2: little weird or violent if you're unfamiliar with this style

573
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Speaker 2: of preaching. But this is frankly very common. This is

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Speaker 2: the common all across this country or like America. Like,

575
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: this is a very normal style of preaching. That's not good, right,

576
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: that's not saying it's good, But that's that's why so

577
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: much of you know, the megabased and Republicans are like that.

578
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: It's because this is what they go to listen to

579
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: every Sunday. Yeah tired found in his now deleted Facebook

580
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: that he liked and followed several other evangelical and pentecostal

581
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: missionary organizations that target countries in Africa, as well as

582
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Speaker 2: the anti abortion ANTILGBTQ legal advocacy group the ADF the

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Speaker 2: Alliance Defending Freedom Now. As horrifying as what happened on

584
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Speaker 2: the Saturday of the shooting, this was just a little

585
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: bit of what he had planned. In his vehicle. There

586
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: was a list of over seventy named political targets, like

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Speaker 2: Minnesota politicians Tim Walls and Elana mar This list included

588
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Speaker 2: other Democratic politicians from Wisconsin and Ohio, one from Texas.

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Speaker 2: The list also included abortion rights activists as well as

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Speaker 2: current and former Minnesota Planned Parenthood staff. This was primarily

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Speaker 2: a shooting directed at people and organizations that he saw

592
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Speaker 2: as being pro abortion. This is the main motivating factor

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00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: that we can tell so far. This is the thing

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Speaker 2: that links all of these people together.

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Speaker 3: I think he failed into that model of anti abortion

596
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: terrorism quite neatly. Yeah, just like the Olympic bombing. Now

597
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: flyers with information on the No King's protests later that

598
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: day were also found in the car, with those rallies

599
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: being another possible target for violence. Things did not go

600
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Speaker 3: that way because he was intercepted by police, probably earlier

601
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Speaker 3: than he expected.

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Speaker 2: Now. In the home that he was renting, police found

603
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Speaker 2: more notebooks and handwritten lists of names and home addresses

604
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: of quote, numerous in Minnesota public officials. This includes Portman's home,

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Speaker 2: which he wrote has a quote big house off golf course,

606
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: two ways in unquote. So he was making notes on

607
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: the homes of targets, how to get in them, the

608
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: surrounding area. He was familiar with these areas.

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Speaker 3: Concerning to me actually that like these people, I did

610
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: notice that the California Assembly has recently tried to authorize

611
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Speaker 3: spending of more campaign funds on private security for legislators.

612
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Speaker 3: But like some of these people are relatively high up

613
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Speaker 3: in the Minnesota DFL, others working for Planned parenthood. The

614
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: person that was killed was the top state Democrats. Yeah,

615
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: an extremely serious person in state politics. Yeah, that their

616
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Speaker 3: addresses is that easily searchable is scary. Uh, I'm worried

617
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Speaker 3: for them. I'm sure that this will provoke a change

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Speaker 3: of people's security practices.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've been warning that things like this

620
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: were down the pipe for years, and.

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Speaker 3: For abortion providers, like this has been the case for

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Speaker 3: decades exactly.

623
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Speaker 2: This has already been a This has already been something

624
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Speaker 2: that you can threat models reality. And as for targeting

625
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: democratic politicians, there's hundreds and hundreds of posts of Republicans

626
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: and conservatives frothing at the mouth that the idea of

627
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: killing democratic politicians, Yeah, that's what they wanted to do

628
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: on January sixth. This isn't like an unforeseen event.

629
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Speaker 3: It's kind of a logical conclusion to the way we've

630
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Speaker 3: been traveling for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an extremely predictable aspect of our politics now,

632
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: and at least for Belter, Like it's pretty clear now

633
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: to investigators that he was researching targets and planning this

634
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: for months. Yeah, like this this wasn't like a snap

635
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: of the moment decision, like he just like went crazy

636
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: one night, Like he was wanting to do something like

637
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: this for a long time and had put months of

638
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Speaker 2: planning on work into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a series of silicon masks, right, he

640
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: ditched them. After he ditched his first mask, after the

641
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: first shooting, he disassembled his handgun and ditched that in

642
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: various parts after the first shooting, he had a series

643
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 3: of weapons he was planning on moving along to. He

644
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: had a police vest, he had a taser to appear

645
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: more like a cop.

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Speaker 2: Police badge, Yep, a.

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Speaker 3: Badge to appear more like a cop. I heard a

648
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Speaker 3: press conference where I think it's probably the chief of

649
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: police said, if he was standing with us, you would

650
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: assume he was another cop. Right, Like, he'd got a

651
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: long way, yeah, into planning this and clearly as a

652
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: model a threat that the police had modeled too. Right,

653
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: because they immediately responded to other Democrat politicians' homes or

654
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Speaker 3: quickly responded to the politicians' homes.

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Speaker 2: How quick the police response was to other people's homes

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Speaker 2: who were not like immediately evident were the ones under

657
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Speaker 2: attack is pretty notable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is notable, and like it probably saved more

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Speaker 3: people's lives. Yeah, because this guy he had a GPS

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Speaker 3: device a garment like an old school you know, there's

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Speaker 3: little GPS's used to garrison. This may not have occurred

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Speaker 3: in your lived experience. Used to be able to buy

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Speaker 3: a GPS that you'll put on the dashboard of your vehicle. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you can put addresses into there. I'm getting I've used,

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Speaker 3: I've used. Okay, okay, yeah, Garrison, old Garrison, get in

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Speaker 3: the get in the replies. If you are Jen Alpha

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Speaker 3: and you don't know what that is, would make Garrison

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Speaker 3: feel old.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we do have Gen Alpha listeners now, damn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah we do. Yeah, carrying them to the jungle buddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, he was. He was playing this for

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Speaker 2: a while. Like in his main home outside the city,

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Speaker 2: police found forty seven guns and twenty thousand dollars in cash.

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Speaker 3: Why I didn't take his cash?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think this is like a prepper type thing.

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Speaker 2: He was arrested near his home, so he was probably

677
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: honest way back there to grab shit and then like

678
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Speaker 2: get out, continue to buy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he bought that e bike, Like I think

680
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: that's probably how his fangs travel. I think he used

681
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: the GPS right, because it's not traceable like a phone is.

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00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: He drained his bank account and met someone at a

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Speaker 3: bus stop and bought the e bike off them, and

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Speaker 3: then found out he had a car and went took

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Speaker 3: the bus back and bought that car. Like he was

686
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Speaker 3: trying to get a car that wasn't traceable to him.

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00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: Is what he's trying to do, right, and he's trying

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00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: to get the e bike, which is a vehicle that

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Speaker 3: allows him to travel kind of off road and not

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Speaker 3: be detectable. He really thought this out and like it

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Speaker 3: could have been a lot worse.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, this is this is all I had

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Speaker 2: on here. I guess The last thing we will want

694
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: to talk about before we closed is just like how

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Speaker 2: really how it relates to like the general political temperature

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Speaker 2: at that moment. Yeah, we've had like a series of

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Speaker 2: assassinations or targeted assassinations, attempted assassinations in the past year,

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Speaker 2: Like the Trump assassination attempt was less than a year ago. Yeah, obviously,

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Speaker 2: Luigi Mangioni.

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Speaker 3: With the second Trumpet assassination attempt, yep.

701
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Speaker 2: You had the man who tried to burn down Joshapiro's home, someone.

702
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 3: Tried to burn down Nathan Fletcher's home in San Diego.

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00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: Like this is just something that happens now. You can

704
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: even look at things like the shooting of the two

705
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: Israel embassy staffers like, ye, this style of assassination kind

706
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: of went away for a while, and then I think

707
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: really around shinzo Abe, you started to see this spread

708
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: throughout the world and now America as a strategy that

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: siphons away people who maybe would have done a mass

710
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: shooting are now doing stuff like this, But it's also

711
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: attracting a whole new base of people, people who would

712
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: actually never do a mass shooting. Instead can direct a

713
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: level of animosity in this direction. Yeah, it's people who

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Speaker 2: think they are the good guys in this way. The

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00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: people doing mass shootings, I think tend not to think

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00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: they're the good guys. They just kind of you know that.

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00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: We don't need to dive into the motivation to mass

718
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: shooters here. Yeah, but there's like rejecting society and nihilistic

719
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: display vihilism, Yeah, exactly, Whereas this is not that this

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Speaker 2: is someone who thinks that they're striking a blow for

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Speaker 2: good and against evil. Now this is ideological. This is

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Speaker 2: like spiritual warfare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to keep tracking what he says in

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Speaker 3: court because I think that will tell us a lot

725
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Speaker 3: more about this. We'll find out like what I assume

726
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: he wants to use his like use the court as

727
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: a pulpit right from which ways to preach, which to

728
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: share his views, because he's admitted to doing this in

729
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 3: this letter to the FBI, and it was very obviously him,

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Speaker 3: So that will be very telling. It will be a

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00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 3: while before we see this guy in court. Nearly all

732
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Speaker 3: federal prosecutions and implea deals. If they I don't know

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Speaker 3: if they will pushure the death penalty, but he might

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Speaker 3: be able to pleat that down to life in prison,

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Speaker 3: So he might end up doing that. But at this

736
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Speaker 3: point seems determined to have a trial, and so we

737
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: will probably see a grand jury indictment and then a trial,

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Speaker 3: right So, I think part of the reason there have

739
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Speaker 3: been so many conspiracy theories about his particularly his pre

740
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: security consulting, particularly in the DRC, is that for so

741
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Speaker 3: many Americans, to include people who go there to preach,

742
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: often Africa in general and the DRC in particular, they

743
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: see it through the same lens as Joseph contracted as

744
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: this heart of darkness, this place where things are two

745
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 3: hundred years behind and everyone is quote unquote. I'm using

746
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: these terms because these people would use them because I

747
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: believe they are true. Many friends from Congo, like Congolese people,

748
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: that they think people there are primitive and backwards that

749
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: need to be like uplifted, civilized and Christianized right, and

750
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: that is reflected in our media, where you cannot write

751
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: about Africa other than from an extremely condescending perspective. In

752
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: this country. Is someone who covers conflict as someone who's

753
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: covered terrorism. You know, the Islamic State is a life

754
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: and well in Africa, but you wouldn't know it if

755
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: you even if you read front to back cover of

756
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Speaker 3: most of the major dailies every day, because Africa is

757
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: seen as a country, not a continent by far too

758
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: many people, including in the media in this country. And

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Speaker 3: I think that is what has led to some of

760
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: these kind of spiraling conspiracies about his work there. And

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Speaker 3: it's something we in the media need to address because

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00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: it will only become more relevant on the global stage,

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Speaker 3: I think in the next few years.

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Speaker 2: Oh that doesn't for us today. It could happen here,

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