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Speaker 3: I don't like being called a venture inse.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'd be like I'm your bitch.
Speaker 4: No, no, most of us are like slut's fine horse,
Speaker 4: fine bitch is absolutely like blood.
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Speaker 2: I don't even like slut like that. I didn't like
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Speaker 3: There each other's perfect flud.
Speaker 2: No, but you reached out, and I'm glad you did
Speaker 2: because you have a book coming out.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do this week. Congratulations.
Speaker 4: Yes, that comes out May ninth, so you can pre
Speaker 4: order it now everywhere books are sold.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have to ask you because you you
Speaker 2: you're a columnists, you write for mental health, all the things.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna call him at Cosmo this Wow, what's
Speaker 4: it called? So it's navigating non monogamy, which isn't the
Speaker 4: sexiest thing it but essentially when I pitched it to them,
Speaker 4: I said, I'm like, right now, there's so much intro
Speaker 4: content for non monogamy. Right It's everything's about like how
Speaker 4: to open up your relationship, how to navigate jealousy, how.
Speaker 3: To how to have three sums.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what about people who have been nominongous for
Speaker 4: six months, two years, five years, they know how to
Speaker 4: be jealousy. Like, there's so much more content out there
Speaker 4: for people who are not beginners, and so many things
Speaker 4: that people struggle with, and right now everything is just
Speaker 4: intro content. So I'm like, I want people been doing
Speaker 4: this for a while who realize that, Like, it's not
Speaker 4: just about navigating jealousy. There're ten million other things people
Speaker 4: struggle with and addressing those issues that I haven't seen discussed.
Speaker 1: Cosmo might be the only tangible magazine that I'll still
Speaker 1: buy in an airport.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm like, oh fuck that.
Speaker 1: And like a health magazine if I'm on a kick
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how to lose weight in six hours?
Speaker 2: Yes, don't crazy. Because Cosmo before, like I think our
Speaker 2: parents even knew, was the magazine that always had like
Speaker 2: sex articles, sex tips, blow job tips, how to turn
Speaker 2: your one of the funniest articles they had.
Speaker 1: We read a few years ago and it was like
Speaker 1: the worst advice we've ever given.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that one? You know?
Speaker 1: But it continue They had ship and they're like, before
Speaker 1: a date, make sure you don't eat smoked cigarettes to
Speaker 1: curb your appetite and iverything.
Speaker 2: That we're just dating advice.
Speaker 4: It's they they kind of had this rebrand maybe like
Speaker 4: five ish years ago, don't quote me on this time,
Speaker 4: and now like so obviously they switch from like how
Speaker 4: to please your man to be like how to be
Speaker 4: a boss ass bitch right, how to be sexual coward?
Speaker 4: And sometimes I say Cosmo and they're like really and
Speaker 4: they still think of it as nineteen seventies Cosmo or
Speaker 4: with those shitty advice.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at how to like people still want
Speaker 1: to know what to do during sex.
Speaker 2: That's why we all have job of course, you know
Speaker 2: so in boycelet though you share, Yes, go ahead and
Speaker 2: grab you there y'all watching YouTube, you you talk about
Speaker 2: a lot of your sex. Yes, your sex, the paid Well,
Speaker 2: what's your book about? Yeah, talk to us about what
Speaker 2: it's about.
Speaker 4: So the book first and foremost is how to unlearned
Speaker 4: sexual shame. That is what it's about.
Speaker 2: Bit Like, that's like we got to get one of
Speaker 2: those and there we go. Well, we just did destigma
Speaker 2: size kinks in the black community.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 2: That's our elevator. We need to go over to the rain.
Speaker 3: But we need some mother community.
Speaker 4: And I do it through a very I'm bisexual, so
Speaker 4: bisexual lens, a king positive lens, polyamorous lens. I have
Speaker 4: like two chapters in the book about how I used
Speaker 4: to live with my boyfriend, my boyfriend's wife, and my
Speaker 4: boyfriend's wife's girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Uh this no, this was in Somerville, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: There was no way it's in New York.
Speaker 4: Many people went, oh yeah, but like I think Somemmerville
Speaker 4: is like the only city in America to like legalize
Speaker 4: like multiple person unions. Essentially, it's like the poly capital No, uh,
Speaker 4: just me and him. I didn't actually have a sexual
Speaker 4: relationship with her, which is like, so it's different than
Speaker 4: a threatfle in that regard where we're all dating together.
Speaker 4: It was, yeah, we were probably. I mean, I'm believing
Speaker 4: my boyfriend had a wife.
Speaker 2: The wife came first.
Speaker 3: They were married for about like eight nine years when
Speaker 3: I met him.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, and did he meets you? And lets you
Speaker 2: know that he was married to a woman?
Speaker 3: Like what was so when we met, I remember.
Speaker 2: We can do it. I love it. I want to
Speaker 2: hear how his heavy.
Speaker 4: So we met this underground gay in Boston checks out
Speaker 4: and this is maybe twenty fifteen, and I'm there with
Speaker 4: this older like French couple who I fuck. And they're like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do a French accent. It's gonna be terrible.
Speaker 4: They're exactly, you must meet this man. He's also bisexual.
Speaker 4: That was the worst, Frind, that was the worst French
Speaker 4: accent ever. Please that's okay, And like because they were
Speaker 4: enamored by by bisexuality.
Speaker 3: And so I meet this guy and it was.
Speaker 4: Like pretty awkward at first, like, oh, you're by him
Speaker 4: also by and I'm like, what the fuck do we
Speaker 4: do matter?
Speaker 3: They're always in shock. It's just like truly, I mean
Speaker 3: that's a whole We're gonna get into that lady to
Speaker 3: just you know.
Speaker 4: But so that he introduces me to his boyfriend, He's like,
Speaker 4: actually have a wife and girlfriend who I live with.
Speaker 4: So he didn't live with the boyfriend lived with the
Speaker 4: wife and girlfriend at that time. And I asked him
Speaker 4: are you happy? And I think most people when they
Speaker 4: hear this, they go like, oh my got neither. Their
Speaker 4: heads explode, especially eight years ago before everyone and their
Speaker 4: mother was fucking polyamorous, right, Like how usually they get
Speaker 4: how do you navigate jealousy?
Speaker 3: How do you uh?
Speaker 4: Time management? Or do you like whatever it is? And
Speaker 4: I think I was like the first person just be
Speaker 4: like do you like this? Like does this work for you?
Speaker 2: Have?
Speaker 4: And he pauses, he goes, yeah, I think I really am.
Speaker 4: And I had just started being a writer at the time, right,
Speaker 4: so maybe I'm a writer for a year writing for
Speaker 4: small little publications. I was like, hey, I actually know
Speaker 4: nothing really about polyamory. I'd love to interview you about
Speaker 4: your dynamic.
Speaker 3: He knows nothing.
Speaker 1: About polymor Well, now I do, now I do because
Speaker 1: you had. Now we've got two.
Speaker 4: D yes now, but at the time twenty fifteen, I
Speaker 4: did not. And yeah, so he invited me over for
Speaker 4: like family game night, and I wasn't sure if that man.
Speaker 4: Like I was just like, no, they're not kids. And
Speaker 4: I was like, is this like a fucking an orgy?
Speaker 4: Like I don't know what the fuck is a cult?
Speaker 4: It's like, well, not a cult. It's not a cult.
Speaker 3: But family game night.
Speaker 2: I get all that's how I'll be getting three someomes,
Speaker 2: Cris Andndy what I go all you, I'll said it.
Speaker 2: Game night. We have the cards come out, we do
Speaker 2: a little dice game, and then we start making bets
Speaker 2: the loser gotta dude is and then it Wait.
Speaker 4: The first time I ever sucked to dick was from
Speaker 4: a betting on a game of Super Smash brother.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, I won.
Speaker 3: I won, And.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'll still suck your dick, like like I
Speaker 4: don't care, Like I betch I was gonna lose.
Speaker 2: I was gonna Smash Brothers. How old were you when
Speaker 2: you sucked your first No.
Speaker 3: I was like twenty two.
Speaker 2: This was like you suck your first dick at twenty two?
Speaker 4: I got my dick sucked by many guys. But again,
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding, not so sorry, Okay, it's not gay.
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's that's a little gated. I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: honest with you on this one. That's a little but
Speaker 4: I like to not gay.
Speaker 2: Literally.
Speaker 4: There's also like people just refuse to say the word bisexual.
Speaker 4: Lord forbid, Like I do think you.
Speaker 1: Can get your dick sucked by a man and not
Speaker 1: be by sexual. I think so, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's queerer.
Speaker 2: You're just on the spectrum, not the spectrum, not that
Speaker 2: the power dynamic of.
Speaker 1: And this is very fucked up to say, but like,
Speaker 1: I really like when guys tell me they made guys
Speaker 1: suck their dick, because it's like it feels like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I made him suck my dick and then he just laughed,
Speaker 1: and I was like.
Speaker 4: Like, also, it's like, you know that little I shouldn't
Speaker 4: that little queer boy absolutely fucking loved it.
Speaker 3: Life.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, But you're right, I think in
Speaker 2: terms of men, though I don't hear the word bisexual
Speaker 2: half as much as I do with women. There's just
Speaker 2: so much stike, Oh wait, tell us Okay, so you
Speaker 2: got the game night.
Speaker 4: Oh oh sorry, yeah, wait ten million tangents videos. We
Speaker 4: got to game night and it actually just was game night.
Speaker 4: And what I've learned is poly people are just a
Speaker 4: bunch of nerds who love game nights and fantasy chits
Speaker 4: and like I learned to play Dungeons and Dragons. That's
Speaker 4: the whole point of polyamoryes just to have enough people
Speaker 4: to play du Dragons.
Speaker 3: But also the sex club.
Speaker 2: The sex club that I go to in Brooklyn, they
Speaker 2: have a game night on Thursdays. Which does it turn
Speaker 2: into Susia?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: And I was like, so does it turn in They're like, no,
Speaker 2: it's just game night. It's just games. You come in,
Speaker 2: you get to meet like minded people. There's no sex
Speaker 2: that takes place.
Speaker 1: I want to like minded fuck right, I'm like games
Speaker 1: games can lead to it.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't normally do game night without saying, okay,
Speaker 2: so the loser has to kiss this person or give
Speaker 2: lap dances. Normally that sounds like any game night. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I had sex and is it whole game night?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bro, Like I do that ship and game
Speaker 1: nights at aren't mind. I'll walk into the house for
Speaker 1: time mans, I'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna show my
Speaker 1: nipple if you guys can guess what I did today.
Speaker 3: I'm sure friends who literally just like, don't invite me.
Speaker 4: I'm having just friends over, like be chill, be chill,
Speaker 4: and I'm like sucking stick in the bathroom, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's chill. That counts as chill, right exactly.
Speaker 2: So you go to game night and you enjoyed them,
Speaker 2: so join them.
Speaker 3: Nothing sexy happens.
Speaker 4: And at the time, so I was in this place
Speaker 4: where I had this girlfriend for a year, we broke up.
Speaker 4: It was a really tough relationship. I started dating some
Speaker 4: guys and I made it very clear to them that
Speaker 4: I do not want a boyfriend. I do not want
Speaker 4: something serious. And then both of them wanted to be
Speaker 4: my boyfriend. And when I told the second one no,
Speaker 4: he cried and kind of berated me, and I was
Speaker 4: a little bit I felt bad for him. Of course,
Speaker 4: I was also a little frustrated. I was like, I
Speaker 4: made my intentions clear from the beginning. Yeah, I'm sorry
Speaker 4: that I acted qt when I was with you and
Speaker 4: did nice things, but like I'm allowed to do that
Speaker 4: and still not want to be your boyfriend. And after that,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what I am. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: fuck people like I'm gonna as a whole.
Speaker 2: By the way, unpopular opinion, it's so crazy how many
Speaker 2: people misconstruct someone actually just being nice as as they
Speaker 2: want to be with you.
Speaker 3: I think for men is so.
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, we had an episode about a
Speaker 1: girl saying that a man did nice things for her,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that she said was, oh,
Speaker 1: let me tell you how he's thoughtful.
Speaker 3: He saw me eating a pair once and he brought
Speaker 3: me a pair.
Speaker 2: Bar The bar is in hell. So what's crazy.
Speaker 1: Is the fact that you emailed and said that I
Speaker 1: can see if you made a mental note like what
Speaker 1: was eating bar is in hell?
Speaker 2: And I say that too because, for whatever reason, when
Speaker 2: things are casual, you assume that someone can't show up
Speaker 2: as a nice person to you, or there's something that
Speaker 2: they do that suck up. And as soon as someone
Speaker 2: that you're fucking casually is actually a dope or cool person,
Speaker 2: now out of nowhere, you want to be with that
Speaker 2: person because they're just oh my god, here my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: This was my fucking life story.
Speaker 4: And I know I sound like that sorry, I said
Speaker 4: to me hopously that everyone's obsessed with me.
Speaker 2: It's debs really hard.
Speaker 3: But but it's tough.
Speaker 4: And I have my guy friends who are like, don't
Speaker 4: do cutesy ships, and I'm like, so I can't hold
Speaker 4: their hand if we're like in the street because wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like and he's like, yeah, like it is misleading.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not that's.
Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, I disagree.
Speaker 2: I think it is you.
Speaker 1: I've been really lucky to have a lot of intimacy
Speaker 1: within casual relationships. Yeah, but they're at least telling me
Speaker 1: what their expectations are or what they want before I do.
Speaker 3: I absolutely do that.
Speaker 2: But that want nothing series, But I'm still all johand
Speaker 2: will we out It's but I.
Speaker 1: Actually had a guy verbatim say to me once like
Speaker 1: I really want to stay here tonight with you and
Speaker 1: like watch TV and cuddling ship. He's like, but I
Speaker 1: just really, he said, I'm in a place where I
Speaker 1: don't want anything.
Speaker 3: I want to enjoy these moments with you.
Speaker 2: Like is that okay?
Speaker 3: And I actually told him like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I can handle it.
Speaker 4: And I respect you for saying that because the number
Speaker 4: of people I've been with guys and girls, non binary,
Speaker 4: people of all genders. Like they lie to themselves. They
Speaker 4: lie to themselves, and therefore they lie to you. They're like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, I think I can handle this. I can
Speaker 4: do this, and you having the wherewithal to be like, actually,
Speaker 4: I might get emotionally and so so I want to
Speaker 4: keep this distance. And I appreciate you saying that. I
Speaker 4: wish more people were just like, actually, this is a
Speaker 4: lot for you. Some people say that that person is
Speaker 4: most people.
Speaker 1: I mean I have sex with I'm hella attracted to
Speaker 1: you right once in a blue it's for their personality,
Speaker 1: but for the most.
Speaker 3: Part, love you.
Speaker 2: That's just the truth.
Speaker 1: If you are someone on paper that I would want
Speaker 1: to be with you, Taul, You've got a great job,
Speaker 1: You're fun.
Speaker 3: It's like, keep going, are talking about me?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I keep going.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying author now is like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I can have him, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: On paper, you see the long term in somebody, Yes,
Speaker 2: so it's already the.
Speaker 3: Attraction is there.
Speaker 2: But once the person is really good to me on
Speaker 2: paper and they start doing those things, I can't.
Speaker 4: I have one of my close friends and he uh,
Speaker 4: one of the biggest horse I've ever met.
Speaker 3: Love him to death, and I'm saying this with nothing
Speaker 3: but love and admiration.
Speaker 4: So I assumed when I visited him like we were
Speaker 4: gonna fuck a bunch, and I think, like, uh, it
Speaker 4: was clear like he was kind of being a little
Speaker 4: skittish about it.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, hey, is everything okay? Like, obviously we
Speaker 3: don't have to have sex.
Speaker 4: He's like, Oh, I would definitely fall in love with
Speaker 4: you because you are just you are the perfect type
Speaker 4: of fuck boy who calls.
Speaker 3: Me baby and babe and my brains are just gonna
Speaker 3: go haywire.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: So I'll fuck you with friends in this group setting,
Speaker 4: but one on one I don't trust you.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 2: For wow, nut, Well, it's funny. I just said that
Speaker 2: about There's a there's a friend that I have in Atlanta, fine,
Speaker 2: and my friends all fine, and I'm like, but knowing
Speaker 2: his personal situation and where he's at, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: know that I would much rather just keep this person
Speaker 2: as a friend, yeah, because fucking this person will have
Speaker 2: me up in my emotions and I ain't even trying
Speaker 2: to be called up with something that I'm potentially isn't
Speaker 2: going anywhere. And that's the thing, right, you could have
Speaker 2: all the check marks, the paper, everything written down for
Speaker 2: a person you want. That person could be right in
Speaker 2: front of your face, but if you also know it
Speaker 2: may not go that way and may ruin the frishship
Speaker 2: that you have now, I think it says a lot
Speaker 2: more for someone to be able to have self control
Speaker 2: to not want or try to go deeper. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and it's interesting. I like something kind of
Speaker 4: adjacent to this is like, so I started dating this woman,
Speaker 4: everything is going well. I know she's not going to
Speaker 4: be the person that I marry, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like get married at some point, an open marriage. I'll
Speaker 4: sell them an open marriage.
Speaker 2: It's all fake. No, I want to get married too, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: No. I want to have a primary partner, this person
Speaker 4: in my life who I do live with and have
Speaker 4: this relationship with, and then we fuck everyone and be
Speaker 4: horse together.
Speaker 3: I think your ideal, like, do you know do you
Speaker 3: ever think man?
Speaker 4: Woman? So a part of it is I really think
Speaker 4: I need my primary partner to be a man, and
Speaker 4: I think that is for my queer identity. I think,
Speaker 4: like me, I don't feel welcome in gay spaces when
Speaker 4: I bring a woman and I'm not like, hmm like,
Speaker 4: and I understand why. I don't want to be perceived
Speaker 4: as that straight couple co opting a space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even think that these.
Speaker 4: Straight people co opting a space. I don't like. I
Speaker 4: want everyone to like. Being queer is so important to
Speaker 4: my identity, and when I'm perceived as straight, I feel
Speaker 4: like that's kind of being ripped from me. So me
Speaker 4: being like married to a woman makes me ostensibly straight,
Speaker 4: even though I'm not.
Speaker 2: Do you want kids?
Speaker 3: No, absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely, I'm working on getting the vasectomy.
Speaker 3: And they do not make it easy. They really really.
Speaker 4: I think I literally told them, like, it's easier for
Speaker 4: me to fucking buy a gun in New York and
Speaker 4: shoot my dick off then get a fucking disc to me,
Speaker 4: and he was like, okay, And I don't think I
Speaker 4: had that thirty one.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we've ever had the conversation. What
Speaker 2: why is it difficult for you to say, hey, I
Speaker 2: don't want kids, cut my balls?
Speaker 4: So they make you again different than the state. I
Speaker 4: think we use the word new but sterilize me. It's
Speaker 4: like it's again like, do not quote me on this.
Speaker 4: I don't know the exact facts of it, but it
Speaker 4: seems like they make you wait a after signing, you
Speaker 4: have to wait and this is the state of New York,
Speaker 4: wait a month before doing it to make sure that
Speaker 4: you've you've been this decision, and then you have to
Speaker 4: do it within.
Speaker 3: Six months.
Speaker 4: And the only reason why I actually did not do
Speaker 4: it was because I have testicular pain for unclear reasons.
Speaker 4: I think that's from working out, and he's like, this
Speaker 4: might exacerbate it, it might make it worse.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then when we kind of.
Speaker 4: Figured out what the root of and it was like,
Speaker 4: working out, you can get this weird testicular pain. That's
Speaker 4: a common thing that I didn't fucking know about. So
Speaker 4: now I have to go back in. But then my
Speaker 4: expiration of six months, Like.
Speaker 2: I know that they do that a lot with women
Speaker 2: on YouTube with trying tube specifically, Yeah, like they won't
Speaker 2: do it unless you have at least two children or
Speaker 2: there's a medical reason as to why. Like it's also
Speaker 2: really hard for women who don't want kids to go
Speaker 2: and get their your tube side and things like that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to come in people.
Speaker 4: I'm just like a simple man, like I'm just trying
Speaker 4: to rid and breed and.
Speaker 3: Not have to worry about this ship.
Speaker 4: But when they're doing like, oh, don't worry, you can
Speaker 4: come to me, I'm like tracking my cycle.
Speaker 3: I'm like, don't like that game that is that is
Speaker 3: a real. That's me. That's a real that is.
Speaker 4: At too fast, a little fast and loose. But I
Speaker 4: have like ten different side stories I want to go.
Speaker 2: We have we have time to get into those stories
Speaker 2: because we're talking about firm come and ejaculation. I want
Speaker 2: to get into our vanilla ship because I wanted to
Speaker 2: know as well, if you knew that there is a
Speaker 2: simple exercise that now can help men combat premature ejaculation
Speaker 2: and last three times is long in bed now, because
Speaker 2: you'll be a mis I wanted to know first if
Speaker 2: you know about the exercise that can help with this.
Speaker 3: Are you just talking about edging or cables?
Speaker 2: This is an actual exercise that can help with premature ejaculation.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, so that'd be something that would strengthen your
Speaker 3: pelvic floor.
Speaker 2: Come on pelic floor.
Speaker 4: And you're not talking about ky gells, so it would
Speaker 4: have to be. And this is real science, not fake.
Speaker 2: Really, no, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, for those of you who do not know,
Speaker 2: there are multiple There are a multitude of reasons why
Speaker 2: a man may be suffering with PE, including depression, wearing, guilt, stressed,
Speaker 2: substance abuse, sexual abuse, or.
Speaker 3: Premature jaculation not a discussion.
Speaker 2: So scientists have concluded that it might be time to
Speaker 2: strike a yoga pose. They found that men who suffer
Speaker 2: from PE could benefit from practicing one move in particular,
Speaker 2: I know you've been in this position. We're facing dog
Speaker 2: yoga saw the amount of time male volunteers lasted in
Speaker 2: bed almost tripled, from twenty six seconds to just shy
Speaker 2: of a minute and half a minute and a half
Speaker 2: on average. According to the study, benefits of yoga on
Speaker 2: PE include, like you said, improving reproductive functions for modal
Speaker 2: regulation and enhance awareness, better management associated with risk factors
Speaker 2: for PE, and strengthening of pelvic musk.
Speaker 4: And also so much of yoga is about meditation and
Speaker 4: breath work and those types of things blowing your body
Speaker 4: down and dealing.
Speaker 3: More in tune with your body. So that weeks.
Speaker 2: Weezy had Liz goldwent on and we talked about the breathing.
Speaker 5: What was that odalin? No, it's where you just you
Speaker 5: go on and breathe. Oh, it's like and you end
Speaker 5: up like feeling high by the end.
Speaker 2: Of So we've actually said, like in terms of sex
Speaker 2: tips often too that getting getting your breathing aligned when
Speaker 2: you're having sex and not but like not being really
Speaker 2: high with with your breasts make for a better experience
Speaker 2: with having sex as well.
Speaker 3: So it's also with premature ejaculation.
Speaker 4: I always like, I get too turned on, I come quickly,
Speaker 4: I eat them out for twenty minutes, and then you
Speaker 4: go back to having sex again.
Speaker 2: I think, Oh, here's my unpopular opinion. Come on, unpopular opinion.
Speaker 3: Does anyone really care if you come past me? I do? Oh,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Unless you could get back up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: If you can get it back up, like or if
Speaker 3: you please me, I don't really care. It's it's such
Speaker 3: a compliment. Well, if there's so much like, do.
Speaker 2: You think it's a compliment? Now niggas be lying all
Speaker 2: they ass talk about ooh, this pussy is so good.
Speaker 2: This as so good. That's why you made me come
Speaker 2: so fast.
Speaker 3: I believe you.
Speaker 2: You come fast, like you know. I don't believe because
Speaker 2: me and my friends, we ask Himo sisters, we just
Speaker 2: shared a couple of niggas. Bitch, I pussy ain't the same.
Speaker 2: Maybe they have. Maybe all of us got good because
Speaker 2: we'd be like, girl, he came fast with you too,
Speaker 2: bitch me too.
Speaker 3: I don't like it just seems like just simple.
Speaker 1: Solutions, just like you can the first one out and
Speaker 1: then is longer in the second round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's usually, And like I'll let them are, like
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come quickly. I'm gonna eat you out, suck
Speaker 4: your day for twenty minutes, and then I'll fucking fuck
Speaker 4: you again for forty minutes because I.
Speaker 2: Can last longer. You're gonna come quickly, yes.
Speaker 4: Because especially if there's a lot of for like the
Speaker 4: great great parts of Floor four plays that it turns
Speaker 4: you on, makes you a rouse. But if I do
Speaker 4: too much for play, then I'm gonna fucking come quickly
Speaker 4: because I've not been hard for twenty minutes, and like fuck,
Speaker 4: but it's such an like a simple solution to just
Speaker 4: be like, the reason what stops is they have that
Speaker 4: shame they like they fucked up, so they don't want
Speaker 4: to keep going. And then they don't consider like eating
Speaker 4: out or sucking dick as like true sex, and it can't.
Speaker 4: It's like just eat them out for twenty minutes and
Speaker 4: which way they come fifty times and then you fucking
Speaker 4: put it back in like.
Speaker 3: You eat really good puffs.
Speaker 2: You do. But I go in saying we're going as
Speaker 2: many rounds as I can get you up. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: even if you come my mouth going right to dad
Speaker 2: dick and I'm gonna get you to fuck back up,
Speaker 2: that means you gotta keep going.
Speaker 4: I can tell your intense sexual energy definitely scares the ship.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be able to get hard the moment.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let that.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, just so you know, we going as
Speaker 2: many times as I get you up. And there was
Speaker 2: one guy was just recently fuck with his young ass
Speaker 2: cut them off because he came once and was done,
Speaker 2: and I said, just so you know, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: keep doing this with you either, gonna give me some money?
Speaker 2: He said, I text better than I talk. He didn't
Speaker 2: have words for me in the moment, and I said,
Speaker 2: oh now, now my pussy, really try He literally said
Speaker 2: I can text better than I could talk.
Speaker 3: I would at least go with He's not actually responding,
Speaker 3: he's respond to me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck? So No, I'm really really
Speaker 2: big on knowing what I want and what I need sexually.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you've seen me. Fuck, we went
Speaker 2: at it for hours. I woke up at that place
Speaker 2: all the goddamn time. So I like to go a
Speaker 2: very very long time. And so to me, I need
Speaker 2: a partner that matches my sexual drive. It just is
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: That is the scary part about like law. So one Scott,
Speaker 1: how do I know you're gonna match my sex drive?
Speaker 3: You don't, but you don't.
Speaker 4: But open relationship, you know what I mean? You don't
Speaker 4: have to have the exact same sex drive.
Speaker 2: Primary your primary partner does. Primary partner does? Do you not?
Speaker 3: But also maybe they have other things like money money.
Speaker 4: The best luber knt there is because you.
Speaker 2: Practice polyamory and open relationships does You're saying your primary
Speaker 2: partner does not have to meet your sexual it's uh appetite, It's.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure some stuff out personally that haven't
Speaker 4: figured out where. It's like sometimes when I'm dating someone
Speaker 4: for a long period of time, I lose sexual esteme
Speaker 4: with them, which happens, which is everybody long. It depends
Speaker 4: six months, it could be six months, it could be sooner,
Speaker 4: it could be And that's been.
Speaker 3: An issue for me.
Speaker 2: But just like you lose sexual s, think well.
Speaker 4: Also sometimes I wonder that I'm putting too much sexual
Speaker 4: energy elsewhere, you know what I mean, and so making
Speaker 4: sure to be like true.
Speaker 1: I've got a close friend of mine who's in an
Speaker 1: open relationship where his partner is super poly and he's
Speaker 1: like yo, like every time I'm ready to fuck him,
Speaker 1: like I can tell he's either tired from the night
Speaker 1: before or you just got too much shit going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is I Actually I wrote about this in the book,
Speaker 4: and I think I'm actually changed. That's also one thing
Speaker 4: about writing book which is difficult. It's like I wrote
Speaker 4: this book. I'm thirty one now. I wrote this book
Speaker 4: between twenty nine and thirty.
Speaker 3: And you didn't change and like things, I'm like, you
Speaker 3: wrote it all about yourself. Wow, I mean, we'll tell you.
Speaker 4: I'm Yeah, I'm someone who also ghost writes books too,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I actually just want to be on
Speaker 4: the cover with Like can I be a co author?
Speaker 3: And like no, we just want you to ghost write.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I want to do this. I want that.
Speaker 3: I want the fame, I want the glory. But like
Speaker 3: Cocaine term me bisexual, we got to talk about that. Oh,
Speaker 3: great chapter. Oh, we're going to get into it.
Speaker 4: I can't wait till my mom reads that chapter. It's
Speaker 4: gonna be so much fun. It's gonna be so much
Speaker 4: My grandma too, Uh, it's just gonna be she just
Speaker 4: got a pacemaker in and it's going to take her out.
Speaker 2: Of shares that chapter. I feel like, thanks, oh.
Speaker 4: God, But no, I think it's one thing that's been
Speaker 4: challenging for me is just being like, Okay, I wrote
Speaker 4: this at a point in time. Of course, I'm going
Speaker 4: to grow and change. Obviously, ninety five percent of the
Speaker 4: things I agree with and will agree with until I die. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but some of the stuff about where I was in
Speaker 4: my sexual journey has since changed. And I felt really
Speaker 4: initially quite guilty being like, well, shit, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I stand by this. Maybe I was in a
Speaker 4: little bit of denial while writing the section of the book,
Speaker 4: and I look that I've had enough friends who are
Speaker 4: authors who are like, yeah, you're allowed to grow and change,
Speaker 4: uh from writing this book. This doesn't mean like your
Speaker 4: life stops and you had everything figured out. This was
Speaker 4: just this just like a podcast. Yeah, like stuff changes.
Speaker 4: But I kind of wrote some stuff in there. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure how much I agree with it, but I
Speaker 4: wrote about how I like, I used the word of
Speaker 4: pray sexual, which actually is pray sexual, which is so
Speaker 4: you've probably heard the word demisexual, right, which is like,
Speaker 4: so you have demisexual, is you only want to fuck
Speaker 4: someone once you have an emotional connection with yes, then
Speaker 4: prey sexual is often the opposite. So it's like the
Speaker 4: more you have an emotional connection with them, the actual
Speaker 4: less you want.
Speaker 3: To fuck them.
Speaker 2: And I've never heard of that.
Speaker 4: And and the thing is I wasn't sure, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I think I'm definitely on that spectrum, right,
Speaker 4: being like, that's what is and for me in my relationships,
Speaker 4: prayse sexual, ray fr ay, I need to there's a
Speaker 4: glossary in the books Don't Worry Sexual.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that, And at first.
Speaker 4: I was like, is this because I'm emotionally stunted. Is
Speaker 4: this because I've had sexual.
Speaker 1: Always here with men when they're a girlfriends or women
Speaker 1: whatever their dating get pregnant every single time, but that circumstances.
Speaker 3: I think that's always thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, circumstantial motherhood well maybe, but the motherhood almost like
Speaker 1: takes them out of it because they get so emotionally
Speaker 1: invested that they've been make them so much.
Speaker 4: I don't know that regardless, it does relate, and it's
Speaker 4: like usually in like, so it's something I was like,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm on this spectrum and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of it is I think I am. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of guys just you know, you don't want to
Speaker 4: fuck the same person forever, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And for me same with women too, say what everyone
Speaker 3: yeah here from.
Speaker 2: Man man don't want to put the same woman?
Speaker 3: Not not everyone, not everyone, but like.
Speaker 1: What notsit when I gave when I resent, it's actually
Speaker 1: in the stry is there?
Speaker 3: That is a statistcal a fact?
Speaker 4: No, it's so I always like I wrote this being
Speaker 4: like and I've had relationships where it's kind of great
Speaker 4: where my ex boyfriend is a porn star, right, and
Speaker 4: so when he was so fucking hot. It still is
Speaker 4: the hottest man in the world. Stand by Jordan Jamison.
Speaker 4: Look up his porn in the world.
Speaker 3: I keep going and I'll be looking at his dick.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: And what was kind of good was like, you know,
Speaker 4: if he's on set and has taken fifty three fifteen
Speaker 4: inch dicks and came nine times by the time he's
Speaker 4: comes over, he's like, he's like, I don't need to
Speaker 4: have sex, and I was like, so then we would
Speaker 4: just cuddle, watch movies, talk in our relationship an s
Speaker 4: sex focused and it kind of worked because he was exhausted.
Speaker 4: I had this Oh oh he's stunning, stunning, I am
Speaker 4: not met Oh yeah, absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Really like I'm getting fucked looking at this picture.
Speaker 2: That's a crazy too.
Speaker 3: Bisexual, No, he's gay.
Speaker 4: However, my female friends literally would always try to fuck
Speaker 4: him and he did it like once and he's like, okay,
Speaker 4: like yeah, I could be into it. I'm like, you, guys,
Speaker 4: this is imagine if this was the opposite and this
Speaker 4: was just like all uh my gay friends trying to
Speaker 4: like seduce like a straight man, we'd be like, we'd
Speaker 4: be like, you are a predator.
Speaker 3: This is inappropriate, and.
Speaker 1: Now I'm bad when people over sexualize. Like one person,
Speaker 1: I can think of dust dustin all the time I
Speaker 1: see it. He's a podcaster and he's gorgeous, but I
Speaker 1: do feel bad when I see comments under his pitches
Speaker 1: like where are you game?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know that's gonna drive. I posted him
Speaker 2: airbodic thing. That's who I'm It's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I believe it.
Speaker 4: It's but for him, he literally fucked this woman and
Speaker 4: then after he ate this another girl out. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I could be into it. I'm like telling
Speaker 4: my girlfriends, my female friends. I'm like, you are literally
Speaker 4: harassing my boyfriend. I need you guys to stop trying
Speaker 4: to do this. You need to calm the fuck down.
Speaker 4: He's a gay ass man, respect that, But I want
Speaker 4: back to phrase sexuality a little bit because I think
Speaker 4: I'm having a different Like I thought. It was like
Speaker 4: exploring with my therapist. I'm like, have I had sexual trauma?
Speaker 4: Am I emotionally stunted? Is like, what's going on? And
Speaker 4: nothing ever quite emerged. He's like, you just might have
Speaker 4: this relationship with sex, And so for a while I
Speaker 4: left it un packed, you know, I mean I kind
Speaker 4: of was like, Okay, this is it. Let me just
Speaker 4: work to find relationships where this can be a thing.
Speaker 4: And now with this new therapist who's pushing a little
Speaker 4: bit deeper, being like, hey, you might have some trauma
Speaker 4: from last relationships, not sexual trauma, but just like bad
Speaker 4: relationships where you have this rough time and you might
Speaker 4: be a little bit more avoidant for this, and let's
Speaker 4: trying to unpack it. So while I think phrase sexuality
Speaker 4: can be a valid identity, I think for me, perhaps
Speaker 4: some of the reasons I'm experiencing this is because I
Speaker 4: had some past relationships. I'm afraid of getting hurt and
Speaker 4: I'm working and so I'm now working on that. But
Speaker 4: that was one of those things where, like I wrote
Speaker 4: in the book, and that sense kind of changed my
Speaker 4: mind a little bit. But I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 4: people will take what they want from it. They might
Speaker 4: have this relationship with sex, and the whole point of
Speaker 4: that section was talking about finding the relationship style that
Speaker 4: works for you, So being like, if you're someone who
Speaker 4: is less sexual with your partner, that's okay if you
Speaker 4: own it and try to find those right people. And
Speaker 4: so that, of course I still stand by that is like,
Speaker 4: no matter how you relate to your partner, how you
Speaker 4: relate to sex, the key is knowing it, identifying it,
Speaker 4: and finding the right partners who are a match for you.
Speaker 2: And that's yes what I'm doing. Absolutely. I wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure we got to the ward dirve with you, please,
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get a little messy with the hohod dirt.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, fuck me if I think I know this
Speaker 3: is shared?
Speaker 2: Did you and fuck me.
Speaker 3: To turn right now?
Speaker 2: Probably really purple? As I guess you decided to share
Speaker 2: the nice, wonderful uh fact about you. Did you enjoy
Speaker 2: deep throat puking? Not deep throat but not deep throat fucking? Yeah,
Speaker 2: deep throat puking. And so for mind you, I'm someone
Speaker 2: who fake gags just so that they can move their
Speaker 2: goddamn dick off my tonsils, because I do not want
Speaker 2: to throw up on a dick. But you enjoy it.
Speaker 2: So I wanted you to share some tips on how
Speaker 2: to keep it fun and as clean as possible when
Speaker 2: doing deep throat puking.
Speaker 4: This is actually a great question, and I did, like
Speaker 4: I had a section of the book where I like
Speaker 4: delved into the actual dynamics of how to do it.
Speaker 3: My editor was like, yeah, this is a lot much.
Speaker 4: This is like we don't need like five pages dedicated
Speaker 4: to like the consistency of it.
Speaker 3: Like I think we're gonna cut this, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: that's fair.
Speaker 4: But like, okay, just gonna get I mean, I think
Speaker 4: I have a lot of pages still dedicated to it.
Speaker 4: I have like a whole kink chapter and that's what
Speaker 4: it's in. The king chapter is called a peg for
Speaker 4: every hole proud of that chapter.
Speaker 2: That's weird.
Speaker 4: But so there are few things to take note of this.
Speaker 4: It's like you the smell I do not find attractive.
Speaker 4: That is that is a hard stop. The smell is gross.
Speaker 2: And it's also based on what you ate that day.
Speaker 3: So you want fluids? You want do you want fluids?
Speaker 4: So like and and I learned this, I don't The
Speaker 4: chunky is like because that's when you get the smell, Like.
Speaker 1: If you had a chunky throw up and it was
Speaker 1: actually from food, not hangover, And I was like, oh this.
Speaker 3: Is related or just hungover. No, okay, but.
Speaker 1: About it, I was like, oh, this wouldn't be the
Speaker 1: throw up you want to like, No, it's but a
Speaker 1: wet throw up isn't that bad.
Speaker 3: It's just like extra messy.
Speaker 4: But like I've saw im porn like so like the
Speaker 4: people will drink milk beforehand and then you get it
Speaker 4: esthetically pleasing. Milk doesn't have a nasty smell. It comes
Speaker 4: up so like drinking a lot of water, drinking a
Speaker 4: lot of milk. If you just had like a fucking burger,
Speaker 4: this is not the time to be doing this at
Speaker 4: a drinking No milk.
Speaker 3: Almond milk also works, and.
Speaker 4: So there's no smell, and it's more about like that
Speaker 4: fluid and messiness, and it's about like the chunky smell,
Speaker 4: which is rough. I have one of those like sex
Speaker 4: sheets that are like latex or good for you, one
Speaker 4: of those things that you have that you wipe it
Speaker 4: off when you're done, otherwise it will drain through your
Speaker 4: sheets and your mattress protector to the.
Speaker 3: Bad And did you know you liked it? What's crazy?
Speaker 4: This was one of those things like I've probably watched
Speaker 4: every genre of port.
Speaker 2: While we're talking about this, my face is just I
Speaker 2: got this.
Speaker 1: It's not for everyone, is not, you know what I've
Speaker 1: realized recently, So there's an only fans I have a
Speaker 1: crazy king for watching Bukaki.
Speaker 3: And love it. I should have worn my fucking's good
Speaker 3: the save your com t shirt.
Speaker 1: So basically in this only fans, the girl's like doing
Speaker 1: a blowbang or whatever, and like one of the guys
Speaker 1: made her throw up. But I was able to still
Speaker 1: keep masturbating. And I thought about it later and I
Speaker 1: was like why and I was like, oh, because it
Speaker 1: was just clear. Yeah, it didn't feel it didn't seem nasty.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I.
Speaker 3: Wish I'd made this distinction in the book.
Speaker 4: And my editor did cut this out because I'm afraid
Speaker 4: now I'm gonna go the way book signing, some guy's
Speaker 4: gonna eat like nine fucking pizzas, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 4: the bathroom and throat fuck him.
Speaker 3: And now I'm just be like, oh.
Speaker 2: Shit, he's gonna say he liked it, and oh, I mean,
Speaker 2: but it's just like a little I was just thinking that,
Speaker 2: but the question it just comes out the way.
Speaker 4: No, it's like, so we asked about it, and like,
Speaker 4: so I watched every poor known to mankind, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, And I've kind of like gone through
Speaker 4: every phase of porn, and this one has been consistent
Speaker 4: since like sixteen. Yeah, and it started with just like
Speaker 4: you're just like I want to use the words call
Speaker 4: it what it is because.
Speaker 1: You said is so serious. This one has been consistent
Speaker 1: for me. This is as if it was like how
Speaker 1: he got his job. I just was really good at
Speaker 1: telling story and I'm a.
Speaker 4: Wiry but it's I'm I mean, I've done this interview. No,
Speaker 4: just joking, but it's like it was interesting, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: I'm not serious.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna end up laughing. It's more please go on.
Speaker 4: It's but like does it matter who's doing it? No,
Speaker 4: So I'm happy to do it on other people that
Speaker 4: I'm doing it on me. What's my fave?
Speaker 2: Like, do you do you enjoy throw up going on
Speaker 2: to you or you both producing the throw up?
Speaker 3: Both depends on the move.
Speaker 4: I can't pick one of bisexual bisexual, I don't have
Speaker 4: to pick it's but so but yeah, So I started
Speaker 4: watching like deep throat porn. I remember I saw ship
Speaker 4: and this is like earlier days of the Internet. I
Speaker 4: don't know how to like search for ship where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I put penis in throw I didn't know what like.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about you said I saw ship.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, not actual shit.
Speaker 4: Sorry I should clarify that is a good distinction. But
Speaker 4: I remember seeing I remember the first time I saw
Speaker 4: like a throat bulge and have you seen that ship
Speaker 4: where it's just like I remember saying that. I remember
Speaker 4: like how quickly I came. I'm like, well, that's fucking
Speaker 4: weird that that did it for me.
Speaker 3: And then through.
Speaker 4: Watching these like just aggressive deep brokes, it just kind
Speaker 4: of get further and further and further, and then you
Speaker 4: ended up here and and here.
Speaker 3: We are, and you got to do cocky. I was
Speaker 3: into like threesomes.
Speaker 1: Then it was gang bangs and it was like rough
Speaker 1: gang bangs, and then it was like humiliation and now
Speaker 1: everybody has to come on her and leave her destroyed.
Speaker 3: She's like withering on the floor. In the title, I
Speaker 3: probably need to watch it destroyed annihilated.
Speaker 4: It's also a good one for the title, so fu yeah,
Speaker 4: it's always if I'm looking up poles.
Speaker 3: Also another good one.
Speaker 2: Figure out how to spell annihilate.
Speaker 3: I bonded with a friend recently.
Speaker 2: They do it for you, but I uh.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll interview him one day when we have him
Speaker 1: mine something I bonded over with a friend who saw
Speaker 1: a clip of me on TikTok or whatever. He was like,
Speaker 1: you like we paggy and he's like that's crazy as
Speaker 1: fuck and we're laughing about it and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I got a secret.
Speaker 3: I was like, tell me, and he's like, I like
Speaker 3: seeing bitches be a chair.
Speaker 2: Or a table. They just got to be used.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I've gotten to the point
Speaker 1: in my life I like to and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: guys get this to all the time.
Speaker 4: The number of d ms that I get to people
Speaker 4: just wanting to share their sex, the sexy things that
Speaker 4: they're into, and it's for me, it's for us to
Speaker 4: be like, hey, this is okay. They're seeking permission engage
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I don't get that. I get like men
Speaker 2: saying like coming up to me and I've shared this
Speaker 2: on the pot and it's stop it, stop it, guys. Stop.
Speaker 2: I don't want to dominate you. I don't want to
Speaker 2: pay you like it'll be like it's a common like
Speaker 2: it's not even yeah, but it's like I listen to you,
Speaker 2: love you, support you. Can you bid me over tonight?
Speaker 2: It's like, no, like that's not a common question that
Speaker 2: you would ask any It's just because.
Speaker 4: You such like a dominant personality that they assume that
Speaker 4: that's what you be into the fact.
Speaker 2: That y'all just think I want to funk everybody. It's
Speaker 2: crazy just because I happens.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Maybe Tyler Perry hire you.
Speaker 2: That's what you need to ask yourself before you come
Speaker 2: up to me and think I want to talk to
Speaker 2: you when he casts you as a star in one
Speaker 2: of his play is the or Film.
Speaker 3: If not, it's well, that's one thing.
Speaker 4: Especially like my brand is boy slut Right, and I
Speaker 4: have a non fiction erotica zine where I just write
Speaker 4: about sexy, kinky stories and my friends will joke I
Speaker 4: do cast out a wide nets with the people that
Speaker 4: I hook up with. It's like for me, even even
Speaker 4: if you're not I mean fat asses, I mean obviously,
Speaker 4: but like that always is.
Speaker 2: That obviously obviously?
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 4: We thought it was the long neck throat, the long
Speaker 4: neck throats, but like, I really, where am I going
Speaker 4: with this? But it's so when I don't fuck someone
Speaker 4: and they're so confused, like will you fuck everyone? I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't actually have sex with everyone. I have sex
Speaker 4: with a lot of people. Do not get me wrong,
Speaker 4: and I do cast out a wide nets shoot your shot,
Speaker 4: but like you're not like when I'm like not, they're
Speaker 4: like and they get like visibly angry.
Speaker 2: Keep me from what would keep you from having sex
Speaker 2: with somebody?
Speaker 4: It's I mean, in general, I do want to be
Speaker 4: attracted to them. I'm like, that is an important thing
Speaker 4: unless that kind of goes unless we're doing something crazy kinky.
Speaker 4: If we're doing something crazy kinky, I'm attracted by the
Speaker 4: act that we are doing. Like what that's for example,
Speaker 4: I don't need you to be hot if you're puking
Speaker 4: on my deck, you know what I mean, that's just
Speaker 4: like especially for that. It's just like it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 4: I'm attracted to the moment, to the action, to the behavior, to.
Speaker 3: The scene, to the scene.
Speaker 2: I need you to be fine versus to do like
Speaker 2: because that's even the question that I get from my
Speaker 2: friends a lot, like, well you enjoy doing this, why
Speaker 2: don't you charge? Like they immediately want me to just
Speaker 2: start charging people to do it to them, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I still would like to be physically sexually attracted to
Speaker 2: a person that I do anything sexual with. That's why
Speaker 2: it was hard for me to have Like it takes sugar,
Speaker 2: it takes.
Speaker 3: The fun out of it.
Speaker 1: This isn't related, but this conversation just happened a few
Speaker 1: hours ago before I walk in the door.
Speaker 3: I got offered a ninety day fiance.
Speaker 1: Like a production company basically wants me to sit in
Speaker 1: my house and watch it because I love this show,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, yo, I love this
Speaker 1: show so much that if it becomes a job, I
Speaker 1: won't you watch it anymore? Yeah, And like I think
Speaker 1: that when we have so many different pleasures, whether we're
Speaker 1: good at them or not, like once you turn something
Speaker 1: into work, I.
Speaker 4: Had to get over that hum being a sex columnist
Speaker 4: or at times I was just like maybe also just
Speaker 4: like a little too in my head, being like because
Speaker 4: I know, I mean, I do read the research. I
Speaker 4: talked to experts in like, oh, this is what you
Speaker 4: have to do in order to make sure it's pleasurable
Speaker 4: for your partner. And I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: be a machine that's I want to enjoy this for myself.
Speaker 3: And I remember there's a time a few years ago
Speaker 3: where I'm like.
Speaker 4: I need to take a step back and remember, like,
Speaker 4: I'm doing this because I love doing U. I love
Speaker 4: having sex to turn off my work brain and just
Speaker 4: be like, let's go to fucking town and enjoy that.
Speaker 4: But I remember it was tough. There was definitely maybe
Speaker 4: a six month or year period where everything I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is a possible story.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not doing this because it's the story.
Speaker 3: I'm doing this because I want to fuck you.
Speaker 2: I just had this conversation where my ex a thought
Speaker 2: the things that I was doing was performative because I
Speaker 2: have a podcast, and I'm like, I just I think
Speaker 2: everybody that i'm.
Speaker 3: That talks about sex goes through that.
Speaker 2: Though, I did want to get into the horrible decision
Speaker 2: please and us digging into the bisexual voicelet that is
Speaker 2: you please. I wanted to get into so all of
Speaker 2: us are bisexual, and I wanted to know your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the narrative that anyone who is bisexual is actually greedy,
Speaker 2: or that being bisexual you're confused. There's actually a lot
Speaker 2: of negative connotations surrounding someone being by which is maybe
Speaker 2: why we don't hear it from a lot of I
Speaker 2: think the.
Speaker 1: Gay community, lesbian and male gay community are the ones
Speaker 1: to give the most shame to bisexuality.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I do acknowledge it has been getting better
Speaker 4: and and the amount of advocacy and like, if you
Speaker 4: google bisexual guy, I think three of the top five
Speaker 4: articles will be me. But when I first started writing, like,
Speaker 4: there was really no like, there's very little bisexual visibility,
Speaker 4: and the articles that even came out were never actually
Speaker 4: geared towards bisexual people.
Speaker 3: It was always trying to prove that we exist. So
Speaker 3: it wasn't like so when I.
Speaker 4: Started writing being like, oh, here's advice for a bisexual
Speaker 4: person on how to date because it's challenging, that content
Speaker 4: wasn't even there. It was always just like proving that, like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're not actually gay, we're not actually confused. And when
Speaker 4: I first came out as by, remember, I thought the
Speaker 4: world was going to be my oyster, Like I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I could date men and women and
Speaker 4: not by people. And then like women would not date
Speaker 4: me because they were so afraid I was going to
Speaker 4: leave them for a man.
Speaker 3: And gay men were just wildly condescending.
Speaker 4: They'd like, oh honey, I was by you'll get there too,
Speaker 4: but you're still hot, so I'll fuck you.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, do you think I want to fuck
Speaker 3: you now?
Speaker 4: Like, like that's just really rude, but wow, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think as if you don't want to come all
Speaker 3: the way out or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's just still so much stigma towards bisexuality.
Speaker 3: And the stigma is different for by men and buy women.
Speaker 3: What we experience is different percent but like both I think.
Speaker 2: I think for us, I think the biggest misconception with
Speaker 2: me is because I like women. Now, whatever man I have,
Speaker 2: they're now open to all the threesomes they want. And
Speaker 2: every time I'm with a woman, they're worried if I'm
Speaker 2: fucking this woman. And yes, I'm curious, Yes.
Speaker 1: Why buy instead of pan sexual or something else?
Speaker 4: But why do I claim the label by by a
Speaker 4: pan And.
Speaker 3: For me, I feel like, okay, we all might be
Speaker 3: panned but you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is right now. Also, the definitions
Speaker 4: we have for bisexual and pan sexual are not great.
Speaker 4: I think that's why there's so much confusion between Like
Speaker 4: what's the difference between buy and pan It's because people
Speaker 4: define each differently. My attractions depending depending on how you
Speaker 4: define pan sexuality. My attractions are pan sexual. I'm attracted
Speaker 4: to cist people transfer you said earlier, non binary people.
Speaker 4: I'm attracted to everyone.
Speaker 2: So bisexual is sexually or romantically attracted to both men
Speaker 2: and women or some more than one sex or gender.
Speaker 2: Pan Sexual, on the other hand, not popping.
Speaker 4: Up Nerrowbridge, Oh, and I have don't worry, I have
Speaker 4: great definitions of bisexual and pan sexual.
Speaker 2: Sexual is sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction towards people regardless
Speaker 2: of sexual gender.
Speaker 3: So why the label bisexual for you? So for me?
Speaker 4: So depending So if we're using that definition, that's because
Speaker 4: I'm not attracted to you regardless of your gender. I'm
Speaker 4: attracted to you because of your gender. I like high
Speaker 4: fem women, I like high mask people, I like androgynous people.
Speaker 4: I'm not someone I'm attracted to all of it versus
Speaker 4: that definition of pan sexuality is I'm attracted to regardless.
Speaker 4: That's what I say Bow, So I'm actually attracted to
Speaker 4: all of it. But it's also this is a historic label,
Speaker 4: a label that we have. Remember I wring for men's health.
Speaker 4: So now this is an SEO search engine optimization issue.
Speaker 4: So I have older men, let's say, in their thirties, forties, fifties,
Speaker 4: who are googling I think I might be bisexual. They
Speaker 4: don't even know the word pan sexual. So if I
Speaker 4: started using the word pan sexual and not bisexual, men
Speaker 4: could not find the recent sources.
Speaker 2: Feel like I just learned even have this podcast. It
Speaker 2: is right, fairly new.
Speaker 4: It's that, and I fit sometimes worry that pan sexuality
Speaker 4: comes out of Hey, I don't want to deal with
Speaker 4: the stigma of bisexuality, and pan sexuality doesn't have that
Speaker 4: stigma yet because it's a new word.
Speaker 1: I actually don't like using the other ways to identify
Speaker 1: because I feel like everybody's not going to get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also, I mean it's even using queer. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's everyone.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's not clear, like because I remember
Speaker 1: my not my mom, maybe it was another older woman
Speaker 1: in my life, but they were like, oh, I thought
Speaker 1: queer was how you dress, which is understandable. It's like
Speaker 1: I used to call Prince queer back in the day.
Speaker 1: I thought he was just out there. Like, I get
Speaker 1: how someone in their seventies might think that.
Speaker 4: It's just confusing because even people in their twenties and thirties.
Speaker 4: We have so many different definitions of queer, a, bisexual,
Speaker 4: and pan sexual. So it's almost like so whenever I
Speaker 4: say I'm bisexual, I usually say I'm bisexual and attracted
Speaker 4: the all gender.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're also loaded with pronouns and identities.
Speaker 4: It's tough because, like, I want you to identify however
Speaker 4: you feel fits you and whatever resonates with you. However,
Speaker 4: they're getting a lot of letters in the alphabet, and
Speaker 4: I think especially it's I know we're at lgbt QQ
Speaker 4: I A A P two plus.
Speaker 2: Wait, I know, I didn't know there was qq lgbt
Speaker 2: Q I A plus is all I need?
Speaker 4: Is So the second Q, questioning, which actually questioning, kind.
Speaker 3: Of pisses me off.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry if you question, If you're questioning and then
Speaker 4: decide that you are straight, you are not a member
Speaker 4: of the LGBTQ community. Just because you're questioning, You're like,
Speaker 4: we're all questioning our sexuality to some degree. That doesn't
Speaker 4: make you queer. Questioning therefore assumes that you're actually queer.
Speaker 4: That oh, you're questioning, and I'm going to land on
Speaker 4: a gay or queer or bisexual label, and I don't
Speaker 4: think that's fair. I think you'd be questioning and then
Speaker 4: realize that, oh, actually I'm just feminate.
Speaker 3: But I'm straight. Wait, there's two spirit, that's the two,
Speaker 3: which to spirit that's t No, that's the two. So
Speaker 3: it's literally LGBT q k P two. You're right, You're right, sorry,
Speaker 3: literally trans to pspan sexual plus.
Speaker 4: And also they have I think they have, so they
Speaker 4: have a sexual and then allies in there and I'm
Speaker 4: like they are and I'm like, no, I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 4: sorry they did.
Speaker 3: Not like I understand a sexual of course, the.
Speaker 4: Allies and questioning. I don't think you are queer, like
Speaker 4: you might be queer. If you are question you you
Speaker 4: don't get that. Sorry, you don't get to be a.
Speaker 1: Part of Like I don't want you to be included
Speaker 1: in this world. And that's why we have the lyft
Speaker 1: and the Ubers and all these parades. But what I
Speaker 1: was saying that the rude thing that I said was
Speaker 1: two summers ago, was in the village and I remember
Speaker 1: after the parade, this guy I don't know LGBT keep
Speaker 1: plush shirt and he was like saying how this was
Speaker 1: a new experience for him, and he's just figuring it out,
Speaker 1: and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Are you sucking big?
Speaker 1: It's tough, and he was like, oh, well no, Like
Speaker 1: I'm straight, I'm married, I've got two kids, but like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm finding my way.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you just like hanging out. We
Speaker 3: gave me.
Speaker 4: It's it's really tough because you don't you don't want
Speaker 4: to gate keep and a lot of people are confused
Speaker 4: and figuring out. And I want you to feel welcome,
Speaker 4: but I also get frustrated when I'm like, are you
Speaker 4: gonna suck by dick?
Speaker 3: Can I suck yours? Like like, let's let's get to
Speaker 3: this year Robbi.
Speaker 2: With the girls, y'all gonna stop flirting with me. I
Speaker 2: will let a girl know real quick. I'm real gay
Speaker 2: like and well each jo pussy, So don't flart with
Speaker 2: me and think you I.
Speaker 3: Don't like to make out girl. It's I don't like
Speaker 3: the makeout.
Speaker 4: It's a fine balance because also I've noticed that they are,
Speaker 4: especially because now I'm in these spaces, you know, queer
Speaker 4: sex clubs, where it's like you get social clout being bisexual,
Speaker 4: and so you get these guys who like feel comfortable
Speaker 4: making out with the dude in these parties and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I think I'm by but I don't really
Speaker 4: like fuck dudes or don and I just kind of
Speaker 4: want to be like, sorry, i'm spitting on you. I
Speaker 4: just want to be like, uh, like I'm sorry. Like like,
Speaker 4: if you're confused in figuring out, I do want to
Speaker 4: support you. But if you're just trying to like know
Speaker 4: that being a straight white dude, which straight sys white
Speaker 4: through in the space, you get shot on so they
Speaker 4: fgu're like, oh, I'm not homeophoto, and so I'm like,
Speaker 4: you're trying to claim an identity because you want to
Speaker 4: be slightly more marginalized, and like, dude, you're not bisexual.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, You're just not homophobic. I feel comfortable making
Speaker 4: out with a man, but it's tough because maybe they
Speaker 4: are bisexual and they're figuring it out, so you don't
Speaker 4: want to get you. But at the same time, I
Speaker 4: do want to protect my spaces and I do want
Speaker 4: my identity to be valid and mean something. So this
Speaker 4: is something I struggle with being like, I want to
Speaker 4: be inclusive. I want everyone who's confused in questioning to
Speaker 4: figure it out to be able to do that. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, if you're not, that's okay, that's
Speaker 4: okay to you.
Speaker 1: In questioning because the list is too long. I think
Speaker 1: too many choices.
Speaker 3: I really, I really think so.
Speaker 2: I think that I think they just also keep making
Speaker 2: the adding more choices because hey, we hate the.
Speaker 3: Not least the Republican. What's happened.
Speaker 2: I didn't say us did not no, no no. I just
Speaker 2: realized we're all sitting here.
Speaker 4: Like owls no, no, no, don't say gay all the time.
Speaker 3: And this is one of those things.
Speaker 4: We're even among the liberal community, the progressive view of
Speaker 4: the queer community, like we are. Some of us are like, okay,
Speaker 4: these labels have gotten out of control, like this.
Speaker 3: Is not that said.
Speaker 1: So I've had so many conversations where I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I never say this on my podcast, but.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm constantly being like, do not let me,
Speaker 3: Like I would never.
Speaker 2: Say this because I'd be like, girl, I'll say that
Speaker 2: on a microphone, you can say it with me. I'm
Speaker 2: going to just let yeah.
Speaker 4: No, It's just it's tough because again, I want everyone
Speaker 4: to identify however they want. But like even for bisexually bisexual, bisexual,
Speaker 4: pan sexual, polysexual, ambisexual. They're using the word m spec
Speaker 4: and then also queer, and I'm like, real, said, have
Speaker 4: none of it.
Speaker 3: It's definitely the abortion picture that you get. It's what
Speaker 3: that's what I think.
Speaker 4: It's multi gender spectrum. I think, hold on, I really
Speaker 4: should know this, I really should know this.
Speaker 2: What she was talking about, the little little the little
Speaker 2: sonogram is.
Speaker 4: Just to die just aspect we should wrap this up
Speaker 4: because I'm actually getting exhausted thinking about all of the difference.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, well, what the fuck am I if
Speaker 1: I wasn't hours yes, no, why? But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: if I had to like pick another word, like I
Speaker 1: guess pan sex will be the next one. But then again,
Speaker 1: I'm not that attracted to I wouldn't say non binary because.
Speaker 3: You're non binary phobic.
Speaker 4: I'm just you don't know, non binary, canceled cy.
Speaker 2: Binary.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say I haven't really found myself
Speaker 1: too attracted to trans people yet once in a blue
Speaker 1: someone I know, but like dating.
Speaker 3: Every single man in the history, that's it for sex though,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I watch trans women, I'm watch them have sex
Speaker 2: with men. I don't necessarily want to have sex with them,
Speaker 2: but I want to be in the room and watch
Speaker 2: them have sex.
Speaker 4: I think one thing I want to say to this,
Speaker 4: and what's made it so complicated is sexual attraction is
Speaker 4: not politically correct.
Speaker 3: You know, like who you are attracted.
Speaker 4: To, whether it is trans people, via race, via body size,
Speaker 4: via everything.
Speaker 2: We like.
Speaker 4: The reason why we have our attractions, I think it's
Speaker 4: a combination of genetic but then also society telling you
Speaker 4: this is what's attractive, and this is you know, these
Speaker 4: Western standards of beauty and all the shit.
Speaker 3: But now you're older, you reach.
Speaker 4: A point that your attractions actually, let's say, are not
Speaker 4: as innate as you thought they were, and they are
Speaker 4: more because society has told you this.
Speaker 3: Well it's like, fuck, what do you do? Now?
Speaker 4: Do you start like you can't everybody? Well, well it's
Speaker 4: tough to change you. Like, your attractions are your attractions.
Speaker 4: You can't be like, oh I wish I was more
Speaker 4: attracted to trans people are non binary people, So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna start watching trans and not binary porn trying to
Speaker 4: condition my Like, what do you do even if society
Speaker 4: has told you these group of people are not attractive?
Speaker 2: Society told me that the majority of men are five
Speaker 2: to nine. It has not made me want them, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I know that the toll motherfuckers are far in slim
Speaker 2: between or whatever the thing.
Speaker 4: I'm six four, just letting you know people where to
Speaker 4: find yeah, Zachary, not everyone.
Speaker 2: Where to purchase your book, where to follow you, where
Speaker 2: to find you, where to support you?
Speaker 3: Okay, So my name is Zachary Zaane.
Speaker 4: My book boy Slot, a memoir and manifesto, coming out
Speaker 4: May ninth.
Speaker 3: You can pre order it everywhere books are stay have
Speaker 3: to be part of the lgbt Q. I A little plus.
Speaker 4: You absolutely do not need to be part of the
Speaker 4: lgbt Q I A two plus B plus P. I'm
Speaker 4: adding the V for vomit fetish as part of that.
Speaker 4: I know this is how I get canceled. No, it's
Speaker 4: this really is for absolutely everyone, and I made a
Speaker 4: painstaking effort to make this inclusive of straight men, straight women,
Speaker 4: by women, lesbians. I think we all have sexual shame,
Speaker 4: regardless of your gender or sexuality, and this speaks to
Speaker 4: all of it. And it's about, you know, embracing your
Speaker 4: sexuality and finding the lifestyle and the.
Speaker 3: People that works for you.
Speaker 2: Where can they purchase it?
Speaker 4: I mean Amazon, every bookstore, bookshop dot org if you
Speaker 4: want to support local bookstores, which you absolutely should do,
Speaker 4: and then you can follow me Twitter, Instagram, Zacharizane Underscore
Speaker 4: and the underscores at the end if you just google
Speaker 4: boy Slot, I have the digital zine that comes up,
Speaker 4: which is raunchy as fuck nonfiction, fucking I'm a part
Speaker 4: of that list is It's wild. And then Zacharzane dot
Speaker 4: com is my website.
Speaker 2: Hey, congrat I know I'm purchasing it right now. Yes,
Speaker 2: I got you. I love that everybody is working and
Speaker 2: striving and really pushing these conversations to the forefront.
Speaker 3: I think, great chapter.
Speaker 2: I know even my even my mom, like when we
Speaker 2: talk about what I do, she almost envies the fact
Speaker 2: that I'm able to go through my twenties and thirties
Speaker 2: with the knowledge and security in my sexuality that she
Speaker 2: feels like was robbed from her just because of the
Speaker 2: time frame that she grew up there. Yeah, so I
Speaker 2: love that these.
Speaker 1: Are conversations your mom to be a woman's order or
Speaker 1: order its place.
Speaker 2: So y'all make sure, yes, y'allo.
Speaker 4: And it is controversial. You're not gonna agree with everything,
Speaker 4: and that's Okay, that's.
Speaker 3: Okay, And I like books that I don't agree with.
Speaker 4: You hopefully grew with most of it, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But I'm trying to push the envelope.
Speaker 2: Well, the puking chapter, I'll tell you, that's where I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be like this motherfucker crazy.
Speaker 3: It is so funny. I said, this book is fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1: The chapter names got me and it taught me a
Speaker 1: lot about what to look for in a book.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: I love I'm thinking about Golden Showers have to be
Speaker 1: Check us out on patreon dot com backslash Horrible Decisions.
Speaker 1: Every single month we do a live town hall where
Speaker 1: we get to sit with you, have some drinks and
Speaker 1: debunk the episodes we're gonna be talking about.
Speaker 3: Zacharun so to be a lot.
Speaker 2: Of podcast and Zachary, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: He had another episode of horb Decisions Hi bye, and abortions.
Speaker 2: Even I know doesn't want to allow black history African.
Speaker 1: America, so that wasn't even going on at the time
Speaker 1: that I meet her, and I got into it.
Speaker 3: But I replied to her and I said.
Speaker 1: Zoe, all of the women you work with and service
Speaker 1: and are you serious? And she and I said, think
Speaker 1: about it, like we're literally talking about kids that like
Speaker 1: he wants to not like he was talking about anti
Speaker 1: abortion laws and I was like, like, you think this
Speaker 1: is okay for unsafe abortions, even down to women getting rape,
Speaker 1: And she was like, this is not something that concerns me.
Speaker 1: Every day, taxes do equal rights and da da da
Speaker 1: da da. And I was like, wow, my nigga, Like
Speaker 1: that shit was really wild because Zoe isn't I.
Speaker 2: Believe she let me ask you a question, like we've
Speaker 2: talked about some of your friends supporting Trump. Now Trump
Speaker 2: has a celebrity about him, so I still love celebrity
Speaker 2: apprentice to this day, so I get even the draw
Speaker 2: to him to some people.
Speaker 3: It wasn't some of my friends.
Speaker 2: You talked about Anthony. I mean whatever, Well, there's been
Speaker 2: conversations where you said you've sat at tables and you
Speaker 2: realized that people were Republican and supported him as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah like dinners and shit. Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: So I do want to know. I feel like thesensus
Speaker 2: is so dangerous. Could you be friends or even acquaintances
Speaker 2: with someone who supports somebody like no, and you.
Speaker 1: Know what's interesting. Anthony and I did have a conversation
Speaker 1: about him before and we were something about him came
Speaker 1: up and he was like, bro, he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like the Trump shit. And he's like, he's like
Speaker 1: for me, he was like, you know, I'm not paying
Speaker 1: taxes all day.
Speaker 2: He's very like old.
Speaker 1: School Puerto Rican New York, you know. And he was like,
Speaker 1: but what we're starting to see with the governors.
Speaker 3: He like the radical shit.
Speaker 1: He's like, absolutely not, and he said, I never thought
Speaker 1: Trump was a radical guy. I was like, that's a
Speaker 1: weird thing for you to say, considering I believe that
Speaker 1: all these people were birthed under the Trump ring. To me,
Speaker 1: these people feeling so much excitement about anti abortion laws
Speaker 1: and keeping women anyway, I say all that. To say
Speaker 1: that to me, it was interesting because he was like, remember,
Speaker 1: and I said, but Trump made a comment that people
Speaker 1: that got abortions before he was in office should go
Speaker 1: to jail.
Speaker 2: And he's like, it's he just did that to blow
Speaker 2: smoke up. Everybody's asked to get an office.
Speaker 3: He just wanted to do that, And it's possible.
Speaker 2: It's possible. It's interesting because I mean, the more that
Speaker 2: I'm excelling financially, which that's been a whole cluster fucking
Speaker 2: therapy for me. I am socially liberal fiscally conservative. However,
Speaker 2: in terms of like money versus the rights of human beings,
Speaker 2: I still don't know how taxes is just the number
Speaker 2: one response for why people want to sit here and say, oh, well, financially,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a republic can vote when there's
Speaker 2: so many bills and laws that are being pushed that
Speaker 2: literally take away the rights of human bro I it
Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: I've never I don't have an attitude of get up
Speaker 1: and work. I don't have an attitude of get up
Speaker 1: a work. I've never had that attitude. I don't believe
Speaker 1: in that my father has worked his whole life to
Speaker 1: only now have a social security of eleven hundred dollars
Speaker 1: like my parents before I was having a good job
Speaker 1: where like using food stamps and Medicaid and shit like that,
Speaker 1: and like, I'm lucky enough to be able to take
Speaker 1: care of them. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: there's somebody else that's a seventy one your old woman
Speaker 1: like my mother, who can't afford the shit like that's
Speaker 1: where my money is going out, hope.
Speaker 3: So and if it doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: But I'm not about to fight about the shit when
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm the person that's
Speaker 1: been on the front lines being like raw, raw, you
Speaker 1: need to give your tax money up so.
Speaker 3: I deserve it too.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Now, Am I gonna register my business and businesses of Florida?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Am I gonna try to cheat the shit? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Damn, But I'm at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, but I'm still gonna pay my taxes hope. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's interesting and even that I'm always fused to police.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: It's strange because there's still this idea even now when
Speaker 2: people travel abroad, like there's still this idea of ooh,
Speaker 2: you ain't scared to go to another country. And it's
Speaker 2: so crazy because America is really shitty compared to so
Speaker 2: many other countries. Yes, there's a lot of countries where
Speaker 2: women don't have rights and can't get education and have
Speaker 2: to cover their whole bodies and men run everything. But
Speaker 2: when you really dig into our not only judicial system,
Speaker 2: but our government and how things are operated from a
Speaker 2: federal and a state and a local municipal and how
Speaker 2: everything is so different and divided. It's really scary what
Speaker 2: laws are currently being pushed in past in our country
Speaker 2: that make it completely unsafe and it's crazy. But I
Speaker 2: did want to get into that doc because I know
Speaker 2: our cinema normally sometimes goes askew, and there's so many
Speaker 2: great topics for this specific for this specific documentary. Now
Speaker 2: I want to give a spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: It said a skew this whole last week, said Bursted Tomato,
Speaker 1: and now she's on a skew?
Speaker 2: Is that not a word? A skew is a word.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe you.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you used it after bursting