WEBVTT - EP 317: Bi-Sexual Boy Slut (Ft. Zachary Zane)

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<v Speaker 2>you there. Now let's get to the shop. Hey guys,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to another episode of Horrible Decisions. Yes, when I

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<v Speaker 2>do this type of intro, we are next to a

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<v Speaker 2>white person, but this is a really good person. But

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<v Speaker 2>I really love our second time now being on Horrible Decision.

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<v Speaker 2>So y'all, we have Zachary Zane in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, welcome back, and you've never heard our show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm weezy, that's Mandy, this bitch dead bitch, Yo, bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the that's me a short?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I love staying on you everybody. Oh girl, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm for the street.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like being called a venture inse.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I'd be like I'm your bitch.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, most of us are like slut's fine horse,

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<v Speaker 4>fine bitch is absolutely like blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Horror is always fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even like slut like that. I didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>when daddy he said slip, but slut he said in

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<v Speaker 2>my perfect my perfect slut. So see, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>add an adjective in front of slut boy slut. There

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<v Speaker 2>we go. So you're here with the boys flood of sluts,

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<v Speaker 2>which is funny because if you guys missed out on

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<v Speaker 2>the first time we had zacharyon, I actually met him naked,

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<v Speaker 2>and you were you look really good naked, sir, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, as thank you, thank you, and normally listen.

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<v Speaker 3>There each other's perfect flud.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you reached out, and I'm glad you did

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<v Speaker 2>because you have a book coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do this week. Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that comes out May ninth, so you can pre

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<v Speaker 4>order it now everywhere books are sold.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I have to ask you because you you

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<v Speaker 2>you're a columnists, you write for mental health, all the things.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna call him at Cosmo this Wow, what's

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<v Speaker 4>it called? So it's navigating non monogamy, which isn't the

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<v Speaker 4>sexiest thing it but essentially when I pitched it to them,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I'm like, right now, there's so much intro

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<v Speaker 4>content for non monogamy. Right It's everything's about like how

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<v Speaker 4>to open up your relationship, how to navigate jealousy, how.

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<v Speaker 3>To how to have three sums.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what about people who have been nominongous for

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<v Speaker 4>six months, two years, five years, they know how to

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<v Speaker 4>be jealousy. Like, there's so much more content out there

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<v Speaker 4>for people who are not beginners, and so many things

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<v Speaker 4>that people struggle with, and right now everything is just

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<v Speaker 4>intro content. So I'm like, I want people been doing

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<v Speaker 4>this for a while who realize that, Like, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>just about navigating jealousy. There're ten million other things people

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<v Speaker 4>struggle with and addressing those issues that I haven't seen discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>Cosmo might be the only tangible magazine that I'll still

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<v Speaker 1>buy in an airport.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I'm like, oh fuck that.

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<v Speaker 1>And like a health magazine if I'm on a kick

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, how to lose weight in six hours?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, don't crazy. Because Cosmo before, like I think our

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<v Speaker 2>parents even knew, was the magazine that always had like

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<v Speaker 2>sex articles, sex tips, blow job tips, how to turn

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<v Speaker 2>your one of the funniest articles they had.

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<v Speaker 1>We read a few years ago and it was like

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<v Speaker 1>the worst advice we've ever given.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen that one? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>But it continue They had ship and they're like, before

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<v Speaker 1>a date, make sure you don't eat smoked cigarettes to

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<v Speaker 1>curb your appetite and iverything.

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<v Speaker 2>That we're just dating advice.

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<v Speaker 4>It's they they kind of had this rebrand maybe like

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<v Speaker 4>five ish years ago, don't quote me on this time,

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<v Speaker 4>and now like so obviously they switch from like how

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<v Speaker 4>to please your man to be like how to be

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<v Speaker 4>a boss ass bitch right, how to be sexual coward?

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<v Speaker 4>And sometimes I say Cosmo and they're like really and

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<v Speaker 4>they still think of it as nineteen seventies Cosmo or

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<v Speaker 4>with those shitty advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at how to like people still want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what to do during sex.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we all have job of course, you know

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<v Speaker 2>so in boycelet though you share, Yes, go ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>grab you there y'all watching YouTube, you you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of your sex. Yes, your sex, the paid Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your book about? Yeah, talk to us about what

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<v Speaker 2>it's about.

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<v Speaker 4>So the book first and foremost is how to unlearned

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<v Speaker 4>sexual shame. That is what it's about.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit Like, that's like we got to get one of

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<v Speaker 2>those and there we go. Well, we just did destigma

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<v Speaker 2>size kinks in the black community.

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<v Speaker 3>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our elevator. We need to go over to the rain.

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<v Speaker 3>But we need some mother community.

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<v Speaker 4>And I do it through a very I'm bisexual, so

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<v Speaker 4>bisexual lens, a king positive lens, polyamorous lens. I have

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<v Speaker 4>like two chapters in the book about how I used

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<v Speaker 4>to live with my boyfriend, my boyfriend's wife, and my

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<v Speaker 4>boyfriend's wife's girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh this no, this was in Somerville, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no way it's in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Many people went, oh yeah, but like I think Somemmerville

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<v Speaker 4>is like the only city in America to like legalize

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<v Speaker 4>like multiple person unions. Essentially, it's like the poly capital No, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>just me and him. I didn't actually have a sexual

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<v Speaker 4>relationship with her, which is like, so it's different than

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<v Speaker 4>a threatfle in that regard where we're all dating together.

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<v Speaker 4>It was, yeah, we were probably. I mean, I'm believing

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<v Speaker 4>my boyfriend had a wife.

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<v Speaker 2>The wife came first.

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<v Speaker 3>They were married for about like eight nine years when

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<v Speaker 3>I met him.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, and did he meets you? And lets you

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<v Speaker 2>know that he was married to a woman?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what was so when we met, I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do it. I love it. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear how his heavy.

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<v Speaker 4>So we met this underground gay in Boston checks out

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<v Speaker 4>and this is maybe twenty fifteen, and I'm there with

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<v Speaker 4>this older like French couple who I fuck. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do a French accent. It's gonna be terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>They're exactly, you must meet this man. He's also bisexual.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the worst, Frind, that was the worst French

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<v Speaker 4>accent ever. Please that's okay, And like because they were

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<v Speaker 4>enamored by by bisexuality.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I meet this guy and it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like pretty awkward at first, like, oh, you're by him

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<v Speaker 4>also by and I'm like, what the fuck do we

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<v Speaker 4>do matter?

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<v Speaker 3>They're always in shock. It's just like truly, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's a whole We're gonna get into that lady to

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<v Speaker 3>just you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But so that he introduces me to his boyfriend, He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>actually have a wife and girlfriend who I live with.

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<v Speaker 4>So he didn't live with the boyfriend lived with the

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<v Speaker 4>wife and girlfriend at that time. And I asked him

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<v Speaker 4>are you happy? And I think most people when they

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<v Speaker 4>hear this, they go like, oh my got neither. Their

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<v Speaker 4>heads explode, especially eight years ago before everyone and their

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<v Speaker 4>mother was fucking polyamorous, right, Like how usually they get

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<v Speaker 4>how do you navigate jealousy?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Time management? Or do you like whatever it is? And

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<v Speaker 4>I think I was like the first person just be

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<v Speaker 4>like do you like this? Like does this work for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Have?

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<v Speaker 4>And he pauses, he goes, yeah, I think I really am.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had just started being a writer at the time, right,

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<v Speaker 4>so maybe I'm a writer for a year writing for

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<v Speaker 4>small little publications. I was like, hey, I actually know

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<v Speaker 4>nothing really about polyamory. I'd love to interview you about

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<v Speaker 4>your dynamic.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>About polymor Well, now I do, now I do because

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<v Speaker 1>you had. Now we've got two.

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<v Speaker 4>D yes now, but at the time twenty fifteen, I

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<v Speaker 4>did not. And yeah, so he invited me over for

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<v Speaker 4>like family game night, and I wasn't sure if that man.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was just like, no, they're not kids. And

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, is this like a fucking an orgy?

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't know what the fuck is a cult?

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, not a cult. It's not a cult.

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<v Speaker 3>But family game night.

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<v Speaker 2>I get all that's how I'll be getting three someomes,

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<v Speaker 2>Cris Andndy what I go all you, I'll said it.

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<v Speaker 2>Game night. We have the cards come out, we do

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<v Speaker 2>a little dice game, and then we start making bets

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<v Speaker 2>the loser gotta dude is and then it Wait.

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<v Speaker 4>The first time I ever sucked to dick was from

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<v Speaker 4>a betting on a game of Super Smash brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait wait, I won.

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<v Speaker 3>I won, And.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'll still suck your dick, like like I

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<v Speaker 4>don't care, Like I betch I was gonna lose.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna Smash Brothers. How old were you when

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<v Speaker 2>you sucked your first No.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>This was like you suck your first dick at twenty two?

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<v Speaker 4>I got my dick sucked by many guys. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not kidding, not so sorry, Okay, it's not gay.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, that's that's a little gated. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>honest with you on this one. That's a little but

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<v Speaker 4>I like to not gay.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also like people just refuse to say the word bisexual.

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<v Speaker 4>Lord forbid, Like I do think you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can get your dick sucked by a man and not

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<v Speaker 1>be by sexual. I think so, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's queerer.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just on the spectrum, not the spectrum, not that

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<v Speaker 2>the power dynamic of.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is very fucked up to say, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>I really like when guys tell me they made guys

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<v Speaker 1>suck their dick, because it's like it feels like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I made him suck my dick and then he just laughed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, also, it's like, you know that little I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>that little queer boy absolutely fucking loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>Life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that, But you're right, I think in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of men, though I don't hear the word bisexual

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<v Speaker 2>half as much as I do with women. There's just

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<v Speaker 2>so much stike, Oh wait, tell us Okay, so you

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<v Speaker 2>got the game night.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh oh sorry, yeah, wait ten million tangents videos. We

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<v Speaker 4>got to game night and it actually just was game night.

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<v Speaker 4>And what I've learned is poly people are just a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of nerds who love game nights and fantasy chits

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<v Speaker 4>and like I learned to play Dungeons and Dragons. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the whole point of polyamoryes just to have enough people

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<v Speaker 4>to play du Dragons.

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<v Speaker 3>But also the sex club.

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<v Speaker 2>The sex club that I go to in Brooklyn, they

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<v Speaker 2>have a game night on Thursdays. Which does it turn

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<v Speaker 2>into Susia?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, so does it turn in They're like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just game night. It's just games. You come in,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to meet like minded people. There's no sex

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<v Speaker 2>that takes place.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like minded fuck right, I'm like games

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<v Speaker 1>games can lead to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't normally do game night without saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so the loser has to kiss this person or give

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<v Speaker 2>lap dances. Normally that sounds like any game night. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had sex and is it whole game night?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, bro, Like I do that ship and game

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<v Speaker 1>nights at aren't mind. I'll walk into the house for

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<v Speaker 1>time mans, I'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna show my

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<v Speaker 1>nipple if you guys can guess what I did today.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure friends who literally just like, don't invite me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm having just friends over, like be chill, be chill,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm like sucking stick in the bathroom, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>that's chill. That counts as chill, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So you go to game night and you enjoyed them,

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<v Speaker 2>so join them.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing sexy happens.

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<v Speaker 4>And at the time, so I was in this place

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<v Speaker 4>where I had this girlfriend for a year, we broke up.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a really tough relationship. I started dating some

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<v Speaker 4>guys and I made it very clear to them that

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<v Speaker 4>I do not want a boyfriend. I do not want

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<v Speaker 4>something serious. And then both of them wanted to be

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<v Speaker 4>my boyfriend. And when I told the second one no,

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<v Speaker 4>he cried and kind of berated me, and I was

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit I felt bad for him. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>I was also a little frustrated. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 4>made my intentions clear from the beginning. Yeah, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 4>that I acted qt when I was with you and

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<v Speaker 4>did nice things, but like I'm allowed to do that

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<v Speaker 4>and still not want to be your boyfriend. And after that,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, you know what I am. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 4>fuck people like I'm gonna as a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, unpopular opinion, it's so crazy how many

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<v Speaker 2>people misconstruct someone actually just being nice as as they

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<v Speaker 2>want to be with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for men is so.

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<v Speaker 1>A few weeks ago, we had an episode about a

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<v Speaker 1>girl saying that a man did nice things for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that she said was, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you how he's thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 3>He saw me eating a pair once and he brought

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<v Speaker 3>me a pair.

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<v Speaker 2>Bar The bar is in hell. So what's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the fact that you emailed and said that I

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<v Speaker 1>can see if you made a mental note like what

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<v Speaker 1>was eating bar is in hell?

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<v Speaker 2>And I say that too because, for whatever reason, when

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<v Speaker 2>things are casual, you assume that someone can't show up

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<v Speaker 2>as a nice person to you, or there's something that

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<v Speaker 2>they do that suck up. And as soon as someone

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<v Speaker 2>that you're fucking casually is actually a dope or cool person,

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<v Speaker 2>now out of nowhere, you want to be with that

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<v Speaker 2>person because they're just oh my god, here my boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>This was my fucking life story.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know I sound like that sorry, I said

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<v Speaker 4>to me hopously that everyone's obsessed with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's debs really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>But but it's tough.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have my guy friends who are like, don't

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<v Speaker 4>do cutesy ships, and I'm like, so I can't hold

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<v Speaker 4>their hand if we're like in the street because wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like and he's like, yeah, like it is misleading.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's not that's.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, Okay, I disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been really lucky to have a lot of intimacy

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<v Speaker 1>within casual relationships. Yeah, but they're at least telling me

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<v Speaker 1>what their expectations are or what they want before I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I absolutely do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that want nothing series, But I'm still all johand

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<v Speaker 2>will we out It's but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually had a guy verbatim say to me once like

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to stay here tonight with you and

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<v Speaker 1>like watch TV and cuddling ship. He's like, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just really, he said, I'm in a place where I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to enjoy these moments with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like is that okay?

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<v Speaker 3>And I actually told him like, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>I can handle it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I respect you for saying that because the number

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<v Speaker 4>of people I've been with guys and girls, non binary,

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<v Speaker 4>people of all genders. Like they lie to themselves. They

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<v Speaker 4>lie to themselves, and therefore they lie to you. They're like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, I think I can handle this. I can

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<v Speaker 4>do this, and you having the wherewithal to be like, actually,

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<v Speaker 4>I might get emotionally and so so I want to

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<v Speaker 4>keep this distance. And I appreciate you saying that. I

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<v Speaker 4>wish more people were just like, actually, this is a

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<v Speaker 4>lot for you. Some people say that that person is

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<v Speaker 4>most people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I have sex with I'm hella attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>you right once in a blue it's for their personality,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Part, love you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are someone on paper that I would want

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<v Speaker 1>to be with you, Taul, You've got a great job,

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<v Speaker 1>You're fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, keep going, are talking about me?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm enjoying author now is like, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I can have him, Like you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>On paper, you see the long term in somebody, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's already the.

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<v Speaker 3>Attraction is there.

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<v Speaker 2>But once the person is really good to me on

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<v Speaker 2>paper and they start doing those things, I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I have one of my close friends and he uh,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest horse I've ever met.

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<v Speaker 3>Love him to death, and I'm saying this with nothing

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<v Speaker 3>but love and admiration.

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<v Speaker 4>So I assumed when I visited him like we were

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<v Speaker 4>gonna fuck a bunch, and I think, like, uh, it

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<v Speaker 4>was clear like he was kind of being a little

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<v Speaker 4>skittish about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like, hey, is everything okay? Like, obviously we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to have sex.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, Oh, I would definitely fall in love with

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<v Speaker 4>you because you are just you are the perfect type

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<v Speaker 4>of fuck boy who calls.

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<v Speaker 3>Me baby and babe and my brains are just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go haywire.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'll fuck you with friends in this group setting,

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<v Speaker 4>but one on one I don't trust you.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>For wow, nut, Well, it's funny. I just said that

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<v Speaker 2>about There's a there's a friend that I have in Atlanta, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>and my friends all fine, and I'm like, but knowing

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<v Speaker 2>his personal situation and where he's at, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that I would much rather just keep this person

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<v Speaker 2>as a friend, yeah, because fucking this person will have

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<v Speaker 2>me up in my emotions and I ain't even trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be called up with something that I'm potentially isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going anywhere. And that's the thing, right, you could have

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<v Speaker 2>all the check marks, the paper, everything written down for

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<v Speaker 2>a person you want. That person could be right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of your face, but if you also know it

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<v Speaker 2>may not go that way and may ruin the frishship

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<v Speaker 2>that you have now, I think it says a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more for someone to be able to have self control

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<v Speaker 2>to not want or try to go deeper. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's and it's interesting. I like something kind of

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<v Speaker 4>adjacent to this is like, so I started dating this woman,

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<v Speaker 4>everything is going well. I know she's not going to

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<v Speaker 4>be the person that I marry, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>like get married at some point, an open marriage. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>sell them an open marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all fake. No, I want to get married too, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>No. I want to have a primary partner, this person

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<v Speaker 4>in my life who I do live with and have

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<v Speaker 4>this relationship with, and then we fuck everyone and be

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<v Speaker 4>horse together.

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<v Speaker 3>I think your ideal, like, do you know do you

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<v Speaker 3>ever think man?

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<v Speaker 4>Woman? So a part of it is I really think

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<v Speaker 4>I need my primary partner to be a man, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think that is for my queer identity. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>like me, I don't feel welcome in gay spaces when

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<v Speaker 4>I bring a woman and I'm not like, hmm like,

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<v Speaker 4>and I understand why. I don't want to be perceived

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<v Speaker 4>as that straight couple co opting a space.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't even think that these.

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<v Speaker 4>Straight people co opting a space. I don't like. I

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<v Speaker 4>want everyone to like. Being queer is so important to

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<v Speaker 4>my identity, and when I'm perceived as straight, I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like that's kind of being ripped from me. So me

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<v Speaker 4>being like married to a woman makes me ostensibly straight,

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<v Speaker 4>even though I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want kids?

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<v Speaker 3>No, absolutely fucking not.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, absolutely, I'm working on getting the vasectomy.

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<v Speaker 3>And they do not make it easy. They really really.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I literally told them, like, it's easier for

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<v Speaker 4>me to fucking buy a gun in New York and

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<v Speaker 4>shoot my dick off then get a fucking disc to me,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was like, okay, And I don't think I

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<v Speaker 4>had that thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we've ever had the conversation. What

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<v Speaker 2>why is it difficult for you to say, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want kids, cut my balls?

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<v Speaker 4>So they make you again different than the state. I

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<v Speaker 4>think we use the word new but sterilize me. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like it's again like, do not quote me on this.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the exact facts of it, but it

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<v Speaker 4>seems like they make you wait a after signing, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to wait and this is the state of New York,

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<v Speaker 4>wait a month before doing it to make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>you've you've been this decision, and then you have to

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<v Speaker 4>do it within.

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<v Speaker 3>Six months.

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<v Speaker 4>And the only reason why I actually did not do

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<v Speaker 4>it was because I have testicular pain for unclear reasons.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's from working out, and he's like, this

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<v Speaker 4>might exacerbate it, it might make it worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when we kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>Figured out what the root of and it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>working out, you can get this weird testicular pain. That's

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<v Speaker 4>a common thing that I didn't fucking know about. So

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<v Speaker 4>now I have to go back in. But then my

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<v Speaker 4>expiration of six months, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that they do that a lot with women

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube with trying tube specifically, Yeah, like they won't

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<v Speaker 2>do it unless you have at least two children or

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<v Speaker 2>there's a medical reason as to why. Like it's also

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<v Speaker 2>really hard for women who don't want kids to go

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<v Speaker 2>and get their your tube side and things like that

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying to come in people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just like a simple man, like I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 4>to rid and breed and.

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<v Speaker 3>Not have to worry about this ship.

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<v Speaker 4>But when they're doing like, oh, don't worry, you can

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<v Speaker 4>come to me, I'm like tracking my cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, don't like that game that is that is

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<v Speaker 3>a real. That's me. That's a real that is.

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<v Speaker 4>At too fast, a little fast and loose. But I

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<v Speaker 4>have like ten different side stories I want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>We have we have time to get into those stories

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<v Speaker 2>because we're talking about firm come and ejaculation. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get into our vanilla ship because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>know as well, if you knew that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>simple exercise that now can help men combat premature ejaculation

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<v Speaker 2>and last three times is long in bed now, because

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be a mis I wanted to know first if

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<v Speaker 2>you know about the exercise that can help with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you just talking about edging or cables?

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<v Speaker 2>This is an actual exercise that can help with premature ejaculation.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, so that'd be something that would strengthen your

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<v Speaker 3>pelvic floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on pelic floor.

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<v Speaker 4>And you're not talking about ky gells, so it would

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<v Speaker 4>have to be. And this is real science, not fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, no, this is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, for those of you who do not know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are multiple There are a multitude of reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>a man may be suffering with PE, including depression, wearing, guilt, stressed,

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<v Speaker 2>substance abuse, sexual abuse, or.

0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Premature jaculation not a discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>So scientists have concluded that it might be time to

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<v Speaker 2>strike a yoga pose. They found that men who suffer

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<v Speaker 2>from PE could benefit from practicing one move in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've been in this position. We're facing dog

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<v Speaker 2>yoga saw the amount of time male volunteers lasted in

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<v Speaker 2>bed almost tripled, from twenty six seconds to just shy

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<v Speaker 2>of a minute and half a minute and a half

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<v Speaker 2>on average. According to the study, benefits of yoga on

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<v Speaker 2>PE include, like you said, improving reproductive functions for modal

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<v Speaker 2>regulation and enhance awareness, better management associated with risk factors

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<v Speaker 2>for PE, and strengthening of pelvic musk.

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<v Speaker 4>And also so much of yoga is about meditation and

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<v Speaker 4>breath work and those types of things blowing your body

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<v Speaker 4>down and dealing.

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<v Speaker 3>More in tune with your body. So that weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Weezy had Liz goldwent on and we talked about the breathing.

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<v Speaker 5>What was that odalin? No, it's where you just you

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<v Speaker 5>go on and breathe. Oh, it's like and you end

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<v Speaker 5>up like feeling high by the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Of So we've actually said, like in terms of sex

0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 2>tips often too that getting getting your breathing aligned when

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<v Speaker 2>you're having sex and not but like not being really

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<v Speaker 2>high with with your breasts make for a better experience

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<v Speaker 2>with having sex as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's also with premature ejaculation.

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<v Speaker 4>I always like, I get too turned on, I come quickly,

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<v Speaker 4>I eat them out for twenty minutes, and then you

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<v Speaker 4>go back to having sex again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Oh, here's my unpopular opinion. Come on, unpopular opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>Does anyone really care if you come past me? I do? Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you could get back up, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can get it back up, like or if

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<v Speaker 3>you please me, I don't really care. It's it's such

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<v Speaker 3>a compliment. Well, if there's so much like, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You think it's a compliment? Now niggas be lying all

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<v Speaker 2>they ass talk about ooh, this pussy is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>This as so good. That's why you made me come

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<v Speaker 2>so fast.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>You come fast, like you know. I don't believe because

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<v Speaker 2>me and my friends, we ask Himo sisters, we just

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<v Speaker 2>shared a couple of niggas. Bitch, I pussy ain't the same.

0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they have. Maybe all of us got good because

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be like, girl, he came fast with you too,

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<v Speaker 2>bitch me too.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like it just seems like just simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Solutions, just like you can the first one out and

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<v Speaker 1>then is longer in the second round.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's usually, And like I'll let them are, like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna come quickly. I'm gonna eat you out, suck

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<v Speaker 4>your day for twenty minutes, and then I'll fucking fuck

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 4>you again for forty minutes because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can last longer. You're gonna come quickly, yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Because especially if there's a lot of for like the

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<v Speaker 4>great great parts of Floor four plays that it turns

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 4>you on, makes you a rouse. But if I do

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<v Speaker 4>too much for play, then I'm gonna fucking come quickly

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<v Speaker 4>because I've not been hard for twenty minutes, and like fuck,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's such an like a simple solution to just

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<v Speaker 4>be like, the reason what stops is they have that

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<v Speaker 4>shame they like they fucked up, so they don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to keep going. And then they don't consider like eating

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 4>out or sucking dick as like true sex, and it can't.

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 4>It's like just eat them out for twenty minutes and

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<v Speaker 4>which way they come fifty times and then you fucking

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 4>put it back in like.

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<v Speaker 3>You eat really good puffs.

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<v Speaker 2>You do. But I go in saying we're going as

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<v Speaker 2>many rounds as I can get you up. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>even if you come my mouth going right to dad

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<v Speaker 2>dick and I'm gonna get you to fuck back up,

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<v Speaker 2>that means you gotta keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>I can tell your intense sexual energy definitely scares the ship.

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 3>They're not gonna be able to get hard the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna let that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, just so you know, we going as

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<v Speaker 2>many times as I get you up. And there was

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<v Speaker 2>one guy was just recently fuck with his young ass

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<v Speaker 2>cut them off because he came once and was done,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, just so you know, I ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing this with you either, gonna give me some money?

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 2>He said, I text better than I talk. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have words for me in the moment, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh now, now my pussy, really try He literally said

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I can text better than I could talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I would at least go with He's not actually responding,

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:34.919
<v Speaker 3>he's respond to me.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:40.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the fuck? So No, I'm really really

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<v Speaker 2>big on knowing what I want and what I need sexually.

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure you've seen me. Fuck, we went

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.120
<v Speaker 2>at it for hours. I woke up at that place

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 2>all the goddamn time. So I like to go a

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<v Speaker 2>very very long time. And so to me, I need

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 2>a partner that matches my sexual drive. It just is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the scary part about like law. So one Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I know you're gonna match my sex drive?

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<v Speaker 3>You don't, but you don't.

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 4>But open relationship, you know what I mean? You don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to have the exact same sex drive.

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Primary your primary partner does. Primary partner does? Do you not?

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>But also maybe they have other things like money money.

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 4>The best luber knt there is because you.

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Practice polyamory and open relationships does You're saying your primary

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 2>partner does not have to meet your sexual it's uh appetite, It's.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to figure some stuff out personally that haven't

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 4>figured out where. It's like sometimes when I'm dating someone

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 4>for a long period of time, I lose sexual esteme

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 4>with them, which happens, which is everybody long. It depends

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 4>six months, it could be six months, it could be sooner,

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 4>it could be And that's been.

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<v Speaker 3>An issue for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But just like you lose sexual s, think well.

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<v Speaker 4>Also sometimes I wonder that I'm putting too much sexual

0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 4>energy elsewhere, you know what I mean, and so making

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<v Speaker 4>sure to be like true.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a close friend of mine who's in an

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<v Speaker 1>open relationship where his partner is super poly and he's

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like yo, like every time I'm ready to fuck him,

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like I can tell he's either tired from the night

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<v Speaker 1>before or you just got too much shit going on?

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Is I Actually I wrote about this in the book,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think I'm actually changed. That's also one thing

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 4>about writing book which is difficult. It's like I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>this book. I'm thirty one now. I wrote this book

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<v Speaker 4>between twenty nine and thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>And you didn't change and like things, I'm like, you

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 3>wrote it all about yourself. Wow, I mean, we'll tell you.

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm Yeah, I'm someone who also ghost writes books too,

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, I actually just want to be on

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 4>the cover with Like can I be a co author?

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 3>And like no, we just want you to ghost write.

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I want to do this. I want that.

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.159
<v Speaker 3>I want the fame, I want the glory. But like

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<v Speaker 3>Cocaine term me bisexual, we got to talk about that. Oh,

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 3>great chapter. Oh, we're going to get into it.

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 4>I can't wait till my mom reads that chapter. It's

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 4>gonna be so much fun. It's gonna be so much

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 4>My grandma too, Uh, it's just gonna be she just

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 4>got a pacemaker in and it's going to take her out.

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Of shares that chapter. I feel like, thanks, oh.

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<v Speaker 4>God, But no, I think it's one thing that's been

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 4>challenging for me is just being like, Okay, I wrote

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 4>this at a point in time. Of course, I'm going

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.919
<v Speaker 4>to grow and change. Obviously, ninety five percent of the

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 4>things I agree with and will agree with until I die. Yeah,

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 4>but some of the stuff about where I was in

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 4>my sexual journey has since changed. And I felt really

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 4>initially quite guilty being like, well, shit, I don't know

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 4>if I stand by this. Maybe I was in a

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.640
<v Speaker 4>little bit of denial while writing the section of the book,

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 4>and I look that I've had enough friends who are

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 4>authors who are like, yeah, you're allowed to grow and change,

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 4>uh from writing this book. This doesn't mean like your

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 4>life stops and you had everything figured out. This was

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 4>just this just like a podcast. Yeah, like stuff changes.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 4>But I kind of wrote some stuff in there. I'm

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 4>not sure how much I agree with it, but I

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 4>wrote about how I like, I used the word of

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:53.439
<v Speaker 4>pray sexual, which actually is pray sexual, which is so

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 4>you've probably heard the word demisexual, right, which is like,

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 4>so you have demisexual, is you only want to fuck

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 4>someone once you have an emotional connection with yes, then

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 4>prey sexual is often the opposite. So it's like the

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 4>more you have an emotional connection with them, the actual

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 4>less you want.

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:11.680
<v Speaker 3>To fuck them.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>And I've never heard of that.

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 4>And and the thing is I wasn't sure, and I

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 4>was like, I think I'm definitely on that spectrum, right,

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.400
<v Speaker 4>being like, that's what is and for me in my relationships,

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 4>prayse sexual, ray fr ay, I need to there's a

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 4>glossary in the books Don't Worry Sexual.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of that, And at first.

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 4>I was like, is this because I'm emotionally stunted. Is

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 4>this because I've had sexual.

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Always here with men when they're a girlfriends or women

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>whatever their dating get pregnant every single time, but that circumstances.

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I think that's always thing.

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, circumstantial motherhood well maybe, but the motherhood almost like

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>takes them out of it because they get so emotionally

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 1>invested that they've been make them so much.

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that regardless, it does relate, and it's

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 4>like usually in like, so it's something I was like,

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 4>maybe I'm on this spectrum and I think a lot

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 4>of it is I think I am. I think a

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of guys just you know, you don't want to

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 4>fuck the same person forever, you know what I mean?

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 3>And for me same with women too, say what everyone

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 3>yeah here from.

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Man man don't want to put the same woman?

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Not not everyone, not everyone, but like.

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>What notsit when I gave when I resent, it's actually

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>in the stry is there?

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 3>That is a statistcal a fact?

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 4>No, it's so I always like I wrote this being

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 4>like and I've had relationships where it's kind of great

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 4>where my ex boyfriend is a porn star, right, and

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 4>so when he was so fucking hot. It still is

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 4>the hottest man in the world. Stand by Jordan Jamison.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 4>Look up his porn in the world.

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I keep going and I'll be looking at his dick.

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, absolutely.

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 4>And what was kind of good was like, you know,

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 4>if he's on set and has taken fifty three fifteen

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 4>inch dicks and came nine times by the time he's

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 4>comes over, he's like, he's like, I don't need to

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 4>have sex, and I was like, so then we would

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 4>just cuddle, watch movies, talk in our relationship an s

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 4>sex focused and it kind of worked because he was exhausted.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 4>I had this Oh oh he's stunning, stunning, I am

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 4>not met Oh yeah, absolutely gorgeous.

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Really like I'm getting fucked looking at this picture.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a crazy too.

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Bisexual, No, he's gay.

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 4>However, my female friends literally would always try to fuck

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 4>him and he did it like once and he's like, okay,

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 4>like yeah, I could be into it. I'm like, you, guys,

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 4>this is imagine if this was the opposite and this

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 4>was just like all uh my gay friends trying to

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 4>like seduce like a straight man, we'd be like, we'd

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 4>be like, you are a predator.

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 3>This is inappropriate, and.

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm bad when people over sexualize. Like one person,

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I can think of dust dustin all the time I

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>see it. He's a podcaster and he's gorgeous, but I

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>do feel bad when I see comments under his pitches

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>like where are you game?

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I know that's gonna drive. I posted him

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>airbodic thing. That's who I'm It's gorgeous.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 3>I believe it.

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 4>It's but for him, he literally fucked this woman and

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 4>then after he ate this another girl out. He's like, yeah,

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 4>I think I could be into it. I'm like telling

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 4>my girlfriends, my female friends. I'm like, you are literally

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 4>harassing my boyfriend. I need you guys to stop trying

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 4>to do this. You need to calm the fuck down.

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 4>He's a gay ass man, respect that, But I want

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 4>back to phrase sexuality a little bit because I think

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm having a different Like I thought. It was like

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 4>exploring with my therapist. I'm like, have I had sexual trauma?

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Am I emotionally stunted? Is like, what's going on? And

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 4>nothing ever quite emerged. He's like, you just might have

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 4>this relationship with sex, And so for a while I

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 4>left it un packed, you know, I mean I kind

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 4>of was like, Okay, this is it. Let me just

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 4>work to find relationships where this can be a thing.

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 4>And now with this new therapist who's pushing a little

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 4>bit deeper, being like, hey, you might have some trauma

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 4>from last relationships, not sexual trauma, but just like bad

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.560
<v Speaker 4>relationships where you have this rough time and you might

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 4>be a little bit more avoidant for this, and let's

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 4>trying to unpack it. So while I think phrase sexuality

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 4>can be a valid identity, I think for me, perhaps

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 4>some of the reasons I'm experiencing this is because I

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 4>had some past relationships. I'm afraid of getting hurt and

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm working and so I'm now working on that. But

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 4>that was one of those things where, like I wrote

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 4>in the book, and that sense kind of changed my

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 4>mind a little bit. But I'm like, you know what,

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 4>people will take what they want from it. They might

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 4>have this relationship with sex, and the whole point of

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.960
<v Speaker 4>that section was talking about finding the relationship style that

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 4>works for you, So being like, if you're someone who

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 4>is less sexual with your partner, that's okay if you

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 4>own it and try to find those right people. And

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 4>so that, of course I still stand by that is like,

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 4>no matter how you relate to your partner, how you

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 4>relate to sex, the key is knowing it, identifying it,

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 4>and finding the right partners who are a match for you.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And that's yes what I'm doing. Absolutely. I wanted to

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 2>make sure we got to the ward dirve with you, please,

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna get a little messy with the hohod dirt.

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, fuck me if I think I know this

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 3>is shared?

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Did you and fuck me.

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 3>To turn right now?

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Probably really purple? As I guess you decided to share

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:06.959
<v Speaker 2>the nice, wonderful uh fact about you. Did you enjoy

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>deep throat puking? Not deep throat but not deep throat fucking? Yeah,

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>deep throat puking. And so for mind you, I'm someone

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 2>who fake gags just so that they can move their

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>goddamn dick off my tonsils, because I do not want

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>to throw up on a dick. But you enjoy it.

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 2>So I wanted you to share some tips on how

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 2>to keep it fun and as clean as possible when

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>doing deep throat puking.

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 4>This is actually a great question, and I did, like

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 4>I had a section of the book where I like

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 4>delved into the actual dynamics of how to do it.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 3>My editor was like, yeah, this is a lot much.

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 4>This is like we don't need like five pages dedicated

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 4>to like the consistency of it.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Like I think we're gonna cut this, and I'm like, okay,

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 3>that's fair.

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 4>But like, okay, just gonna get I mean, I think

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 4>I have a lot of pages still dedicated to it.

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 4>I have like a whole kink chapter and that's what

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 4>it's in. The king chapter is called a peg for

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 4>every hole proud of that chapter.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>That's weird.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 4>But so there are few things to take note of this.

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 4>It's like you the smell I do not find attractive.

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 4>That is that is a hard stop. The smell is gross.

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's also based on what you ate that day.

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 3>So you want fluids? You want do you want fluids?

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 4>So like and and I learned this, I don't The

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 4>chunky is like because that's when you get the smell, Like.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>If you had a chunky throw up and it was

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>actually from food, not hangover, And I was like, oh this.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Is related or just hungover. No, okay, but.

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:37.360
<v Speaker 1>About it, I was like, oh, this wouldn't be the

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 1>throw up you want to like, No, it's but a

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>wet throw up isn't that bad.

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 3>It's just like extra messy.

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 4>But like I've saw im porn like so like the

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 4>people will drink milk beforehand and then you get it

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 4>esthetically pleasing. Milk doesn't have a nasty smell. It comes

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 4>up so like drinking a lot of water, drinking a

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.360
<v Speaker 4>lot of milk. If you just had like a fucking burger,

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 4>this is not the time to be doing this at

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 4>a drinking No milk.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Almond milk also works, and.

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 4>So there's no smell, and it's more about like that

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.240
<v Speaker 4>fluid and messiness, and it's about like the chunky smell,

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 4>which is rough. I have one of those like sex

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 4>sheets that are like latex or good for you, one

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 4>of those things that you have that you wipe it

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 4>off when you're done, otherwise it will drain through your

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 4>sheets and your mattress protector to the.

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Bad And did you know you liked it? What's crazy?

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 4>This was one of those things like I've probably watched

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:29.839
<v Speaker 4>every genre of port.

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>While we're talking about this, my face is just I

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 2>got this.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>It's not for everyone, is not, you know what I've

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>realized recently, So there's an only fans I have a

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>crazy king for watching Bukaki.

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 3>And love it. I should have worn my fucking's good

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>the save your com t shirt.

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>So basically in this only fans, the girl's like doing

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>a blowbang or whatever, and like one of the guys

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.399
<v Speaker 1>made her throw up. But I was able to still

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>keep masturbating. And I thought about it later and I

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>was like why and I was like, oh, because it

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>was just clear. Yeah, it didn't feel it didn't seem nasty.

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like I.

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 3>Wish I'd made this distinction in the book.

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 4>And my editor did cut this out because I'm afraid

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 4>now I'm gonna go the way book signing, some guy's

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 4>gonna eat like nine fucking pizzas, I'm gonna go to

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 4>the bathroom and throat fuck him.

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 3>And now I'm just be like, oh.

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Shit, he's gonna say he liked it, and oh, I mean,

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's just like a little I was just thinking that,

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>but the question it just comes out the way.

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 4>No, it's like, so we asked about it, and like,

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 4>so I watched every poor known to mankind, you know

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.439
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, And I've kind of like gone through

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 4>every phase of porn, and this one has been consistent

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 4>since like sixteen. Yeah, and it started with just like

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 4>you're just like I want to use the words call

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 4>it what it is because.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>You said is so serious. This one has been consistent

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>for me. This is as if it was like how

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>he got his job. I just was really good at

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 1>telling story and I'm a.

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 4>Wiry but it's I'm I mean, I've done this interview. No,

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 4>just joking, but it's like it was interesting, you know, it's.

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not serious.

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna end up laughing. It's more please go on.

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 4>It's but like does it matter who's doing it? No,

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 4>So I'm happy to do it on other people that

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.919
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing it on me. What's my fave?

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Like, do you do you enjoy throw up going on

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>to you or you both producing the throw up?

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:21.439
<v Speaker 3>Both depends on the move.

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 4>I can't pick one of bisexual bisexual, I don't have

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 4>to pick it's but so but yeah, So I started

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 4>watching like deep throat porn. I remember I saw ship

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 4>and this is like earlier days of the Internet. I

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:37.879
<v Speaker 4>don't know how to like search for ship where it's like, yeah,

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 4>I put penis in throw I didn't know what like.

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're talking about you said I saw ship.

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 4>I was like, no, no, no, no, no, not actual shit.

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 4>Sorry I should clarify that is a good distinction. But

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:50.879
<v Speaker 4>I remember seeing I remember the first time I saw

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 4>like a throat bulge and have you seen that ship

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 4>where it's just like I remember saying that. I remember

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:58.760
<v Speaker 4>like how quickly I came. I'm like, well, that's fucking

0:37:58.800 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 4>weird that that did it for me.

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 3>And then through.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Watching these like just aggressive deep brokes, it just kind

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 4>of get further and further and further, and then you

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 4>ended up here and and here.

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 3>We are, and you got to do cocky. I was

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 3>into like threesomes.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Then it was gang bangs and it was like rough

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 1>gang bangs, and then it was like humiliation and now

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody has to come on her and leave her destroyed.

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 3>She's like withering on the floor. In the title, I

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 3>probably need to watch it destroyed annihilated.

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 4>It's also a good one for the title, so fu yeah,

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 4>it's always if I'm looking up poles.

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Also another good one.

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Figure out how to spell annihilate.

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 3>I bonded with a friend recently.

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 2>They do it for you, but I uh.

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll interview him one day when we have him

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>mine something I bonded over with a friend who saw

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a clip of me on TikTok or whatever. He was like,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>you like we paggy and he's like that's crazy as

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>fuck and we're laughing about it and he's like, okay,

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I got a secret.

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 3>I was like, tell me, and he's like, I like

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.239
<v Speaker 3>seeing bitches be a chair.

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Or a table. They just got to be used.

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, yeah, I've gotten to the point

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>in my life I like to and I'm sure you

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:02.879
<v Speaker 1>guys get this to all the time.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 4>The number of d ms that I get to people

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 4>just wanting to share their sex, the sexy things that

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 4>they're into, and it's for me, it's for us to

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.760
<v Speaker 4>be like, hey, this is okay. They're seeking permission engage

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 4>in it.

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I don't get that. I get like men

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>saying like coming up to me and I've shared this

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>on the pot and it's stop it, stop it, guys. Stop.

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to dominate you. I don't want to

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>pay you like it'll be like it's a common like

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>it's not even yeah, but it's like I listen to you,

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>love you, support you. Can you bid me over tonight?

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, like that's not a common question that

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 2>you would ask any It's just because.

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 4>You such like a dominant personality that they assume that

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 4>that's what you be into the fact.

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 2>That y'all just think I want to funk everybody. It's

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>crazy just because I happens.

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. Maybe Tyler Perry hire you.

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>That's what you need to ask yourself before you come

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>up to me and think I want to talk to

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 2>you when he casts you as a star in one

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>of his play is the or Film.

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 3>If not, it's well, that's one thing.

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 4>Especially like my brand is boy slut Right, and I

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 4>have a non fiction erotica zine where I just write

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 4>about sexy, kinky stories and my friends will joke I

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 4>do cast out a wide nets with the people that

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.359
<v Speaker 4>I hook up with. It's like for me, even even

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 4>if you're not I mean fat asses, I mean obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>but like that always is.

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<v Speaker 2>That obviously obviously?

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Come on?

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<v Speaker 4>We thought it was the long neck throat, the long

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 4>neck throats, but like, I really, where am I going

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 4>with this? But it's so when I don't fuck someone

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 4>and they're so confused, like will you fuck everyone? I'm like,

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't actually have sex with everyone. I have sex

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 4>with a lot of people. Do not get me wrong,

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 4>and I do cast out a wide nets shoot your shot,

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 4>but like you're not like when I'm like not, they're

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 4>like and they get like visibly angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep me from what would keep you from having sex

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<v Speaker 2>with somebody?

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<v Speaker 4>It's I mean, in general, I do want to be

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 4>attracted to them. I'm like, that is an important thing

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 4>unless that kind of goes unless we're doing something crazy kinky.

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 4>If we're doing something crazy kinky, I'm attracted by the

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 4>act that we are doing. Like what that's for example,

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't need you to be hot if you're puking

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 4>on my deck, you know what I mean, that's just

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.399
<v Speaker 4>like especially for that. It's just like it doesn't fucking matter.

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm attracted to the moment, to the action, to the behavior, to.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 3>The scene, to the scene.

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 2>I need you to be fine versus to do like

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 2>because that's even the question that I get from my

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 2>friends a lot, like, well you enjoy doing this, why

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.359
<v Speaker 2>don't you charge? Like they immediately want me to just

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>start charging people to do it to them, and I'm like, well,

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I still would like to be physically sexually attracted to

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a person that I do anything sexual with. That's why

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 2>it was hard for me to have Like it takes sugar,

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:46.720
<v Speaker 2>it takes.

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 3>The fun out of it.

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 1>This isn't related, but this conversation just happened a few

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>hours ago before I walk in the door.

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 3>I got offered a ninety day fiance.

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Like a production company basically wants me to sit in

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 1>my house and watch it because I love this show,

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I was like, yo, I love this

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>show so much that if it becomes a job, I

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>won't you watch it anymore? Yeah, And like I think

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that when we have so many different pleasures, whether we're

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>good at them or not, like once you turn something

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.399
<v Speaker 1>into work, I.

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 4>Had to get over that hum being a sex columnist

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 4>or at times I was just like maybe also just

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 4>like a little too in my head, being like because

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 4>I know, I mean, I do read the research. I

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 4>talked to experts in like, oh, this is what you

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 4>have to do in order to make sure it's pleasurable

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 4>for your partner. And I'm like, I don't want to

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 4>be a machine that's I want to enjoy this for myself.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 3>And I remember there's a time a few years ago

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 3>where I'm like.

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 4>I need to take a step back and remember, like,

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing this because I love doing U. I love

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 4>having sex to turn off my work brain and just

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 4>be like, let's go to fucking town and enjoy that.

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 4>But I remember it was tough. There was definitely maybe

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 4>a six month or year period where everything I'm like, oh,

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 4>this is a possible story.

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:49.399
<v Speaker 3>It's like, I'm not doing this because it's the story.

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing this because I want to fuck you.

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.439
<v Speaker 2>I just had this conversation where my ex a thought

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the things that I was doing was performative because I

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>have a podcast, and I'm like, I just I think

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>everybody that i'm.

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 3>That talks about sex goes through that.

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Though, I did want to get into the horrible decision

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 2>please and us digging into the bisexual voicelet that is

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 2>you please. I wanted to get into so all of

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>us are bisexual, and I wanted to know your thoughts

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>on the narrative that anyone who is bisexual is actually greedy,

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 2>or that being bisexual you're confused. There's actually a lot

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 2>of negative connotations surrounding someone being by which is maybe

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 2>why we don't hear it from a lot of I

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 2>think the.

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Gay community, lesbian and male gay community are the ones

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to give the most shame to bisexuality.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's I do acknowledge it has been getting better

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.799
<v Speaker 4>and and the amount of advocacy and like, if you

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.919
<v Speaker 4>google bisexual guy, I think three of the top five

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 4>articles will be me. But when I first started writing, like,

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 4>there was really no like, there's very little bisexual visibility,

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 4>and the articles that even came out were never actually

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 4>geared towards bisexual people.

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 3>It was always trying to prove that we exist. So

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like so when I.

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 4>Started writing being like, oh, here's advice for a bisexual

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 4>person on how to date because it's challenging, that content

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 4>wasn't even there. It was always just like proving that, like, hey,

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 4>we're not actually gay, we're not actually confused. And when

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 4>I first came out as by, remember, I thought the

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 4>world was going to be my oyster, Like I'm like,

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, I could date men and women and

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 4>not by people. And then like women would not date

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 4>me because they were so afraid I was going to

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 4>leave them for a man.

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 3>And gay men were just wildly condescending.

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 4>They'd like, oh honey, I was by you'll get there too,

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 4>but you're still hot, so I'll fuck you.

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, do you think I want to fuck

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 3>you now?

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 4>Like, like that's just really rude, but wow, yeah.

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 3>I think as if you don't want to come all

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 3>the way out or something.

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And there's just still so much stigma towards bisexuality.

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 3>And the stigma is different for by men and buy women.

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 3>What we experience is different percent but like both I think.

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I think for us, I think the biggest misconception with

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 2>me is because I like women. Now, whatever man I have,

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>they're now open to all the threesomes they want. And

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 2>every time I'm with a woman, they're worried if I'm

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking this woman. And yes, I'm curious, Yes.

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Why buy instead of pan sexual or something else?

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 4>But why do I claim the label by by a

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 4>pan And.

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 3>For me, I feel like, okay, we all might be

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 3>panned but you know what I mean.

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:30.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the thing is right now. Also, the definitions

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 4>we have for bisexual and pan sexual are not great.

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 4>I think that's why there's so much confusion between Like

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 4>what's the difference between buy and pan It's because people

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 4>define each differently. My attractions depending depending on how you

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:46.280
<v Speaker 4>define pan sexuality. My attractions are pan sexual. I'm attracted

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 4>to cist people transfer you said earlier, non binary people.

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm attracted to everyone.

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:57.279
<v Speaker 2>So bisexual is sexually or romantically attracted to both men

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and women or some more than one sex or gender.

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Pan Sexual, on the other hand, not popping.

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<v Speaker 4>Up Nerrowbridge, Oh, and I have don't worry, I have

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 4>great definitions of bisexual and pan sexual.

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Sexual is sexual, romantic, or emotional attraction towards people regardless

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:15.840
<v Speaker 2>of sexual gender.

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 3>So why the label bisexual for you? So for me?

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 4>So depending So if we're using that definition, that's because

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm not attracted to you regardless of your gender. I'm

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.479
<v Speaker 4>attracted to you because of your gender. I like high

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 4>fem women, I like high mask people, I like androgynous people.

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm not someone I'm attracted to all of it versus

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 4>that definition of pan sexuality is I'm attracted to regardless.

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 4>That's what I say Bow, So I'm actually attracted to

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 4>all of it. But it's also this is a historic label,

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 4>a label that we have. Remember I wring for men's health.

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 4>So now this is an SEO search engine optimization issue.

0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:50.840
<v Speaker 4>So I have older men, let's say, in their thirties, forties, fifties,

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 4>who are googling I think I might be bisexual. They

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:56.360
<v Speaker 4>don't even know the word pan sexual. So if I

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 4>started using the word pan sexual and not bisexual, men

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 4>could not find the recent sources.

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Feel like I just learned even have this podcast. It

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 2>is right, fairly new.

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 4>It's that, and I fit sometimes worry that pan sexuality

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 4>comes out of Hey, I don't want to deal with

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 4>the stigma of bisexuality, and pan sexuality doesn't have that

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 4>stigma yet because it's a new word.

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I actually don't like using the other ways to identify

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like everybody's not going to get it.

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I also, I mean it's even using queer. Yeah, I

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 2>think it's everyone.

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes it's not clear, like because I remember

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>my not my mom, maybe it was another older woman

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>in my life, but they were like, oh, I thought

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>queer was how you dress, which is understandable. It's like

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I used to call Prince queer back in the day.

0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was just out there. Like, I get

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>how someone in their seventies might think that.

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:47.680
<v Speaker 4>It's just confusing because even people in their twenties and thirties.

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 4>We have so many different definitions of queer, a, bisexual,

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 4>and pan sexual. So it's almost like so whenever I

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.240
<v Speaker 4>say I'm bisexual, I usually say I'm bisexual and attracted

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 4>the all gender.

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you think we're also loaded with pronouns and identities.

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 4>It's tough because, like, I want you to identify however

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 4>you feel fits you and whatever resonates with you. However,

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 4>they're getting a lot of letters in the alphabet, and

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 4>I think especially it's I know we're at lgbt QQ

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:22.760
<v Speaker 4>I A A P two plus.

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Wait, I know, I didn't know there was qq lgbt

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Q I A plus is all I need?

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Is So the second Q, questioning, which actually questioning, kind.

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Of pisses me off.

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry if you question, If you're questioning and then

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 4>decide that you are straight, you are not a member

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 4>of the LGBTQ community. Just because you're questioning, You're like,

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 4>we're all questioning our sexuality to some degree. That doesn't

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 4>make you queer. Questioning therefore assumes that you're actually queer.

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 4>That oh, you're questioning, and I'm going to land on

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.399
<v Speaker 4>a gay or queer or bisexual label, and I don't

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 4>think that's fair. I think you'd be questioning and then

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 4>realize that, oh, actually I'm just feminate.

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.879
<v Speaker 3>But I'm straight. Wait, there's two spirit, that's the two,

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 3>which to spirit that's t No, that's the two. So

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 3>it's literally LGBT q k P two. You're right, You're right, sorry,

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 3>literally trans to pspan sexual plus.

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 4>And also they have I think they have, so they

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 4>have a sexual and then allies in there and I'm

0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 4>like they are and I'm like, no, I'm sorry, I'm

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 4>sorry they did.

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Not like I understand a sexual of course, the.

0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 4>Allies and questioning. I don't think you are queer, like

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 4>you might be queer. If you are question you you

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 4>don't get that. Sorry, you don't get to be a.

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Part of Like I don't want you to be included

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>in this world. And that's why we have the lyft

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and the Ubers and all these parades. But what I

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:53.799
<v Speaker 1>was saying that the rude thing that I said was

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 1>two summers ago, was in the village and I remember

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>after the parade, this guy I don't know LGBT keep

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>plush shirt and he was like saying how this was

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.439
<v Speaker 1>a new experience for him, and he's just figuring it out,

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:05.879
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like.

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Are you sucking big?

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 1>It's tough, and he was like, oh, well no, Like

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm straight, I'm married, I've got two kids, but like

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm finding my way.

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, you just like hanging out. We

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 3>gave me.

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 4>It's it's really tough because you don't you don't want

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 4>to gate keep and a lot of people are confused

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:24.760
<v Speaker 4>and figuring out. And I want you to feel welcome,

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 4>but I also get frustrated when I'm like, are you

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:27.600
<v Speaker 4>gonna suck by dick?

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Can I suck yours? Like like, let's let's get to

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 3>this year Robbi.

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 2>With the girls, y'all gonna stop flirting with me. I

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<v Speaker 2>will let a girl know real quick. I'm real gay

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 2>like and well each jo pussy, So don't flart with

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<v Speaker 2>me and think you I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't like to make out girl. It's I don't like

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:40.360
<v Speaker 3>the makeout.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a fine balance because also I've noticed that they are,

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<v Speaker 4>especially because now I'm in these spaces, you know, queer

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.879
<v Speaker 4>sex clubs, where it's like you get social clout being bisexual,

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 4>and so you get these guys who like feel comfortable

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 4>making out with the dude in these parties and they're like, oh,

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:57.959
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, I think I'm by but I don't really

0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 4>like fuck dudes or don and I just kind of

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 4>want to be like, sorry, i'm spitting on you. I

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 4>just want to be like, uh, like I'm sorry. Like like,

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 4>if you're confused in figuring out, I do want to

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 4>support you. But if you're just trying to like know

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 4>that being a straight white dude, which straight sys white

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 4>through in the space, you get shot on so they

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 4>fgu're like, oh, I'm not homeophoto, and so I'm like,

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 4>you're trying to claim an identity because you want to

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:25.959
<v Speaker 4>be slightly more marginalized, and like, dude, you're not bisexual.

0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, You're just not homophobic. I feel comfortable making

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 4>out with a man, but it's tough because maybe they

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 4>are bisexual and they're figuring it out, so you don't

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 4>want to get you. But at the same time, I

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 4>do want to protect my spaces and I do want

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 4>my identity to be valid and mean something. So this

0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 4>is something I struggle with being like, I want to

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 4>be inclusive. I want everyone who's confused in questioning to

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:45.840
<v Speaker 4>figure it out to be able to do that. But

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 4>at the same time, if you're not, that's okay, that's

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 4>okay to you.

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<v Speaker 1>In questioning because the list is too long. I think

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<v Speaker 1>too many choices.

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<v Speaker 3>I really, I really think so.

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that I think they just also keep making

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 2>the adding more choices because hey, we hate the.

0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Not least the Republican. What's happened.

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't say us did not no, no no. I just

0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:12.320
<v Speaker 2>realized we're all sitting here.

0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:15.720
<v Speaker 4>Like owls no, no, no, don't say gay all the time.

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 3>And this is one of those things.

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:22.840
<v Speaker 4>We're even among the liberal community, the progressive view of

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 4>the queer community, like we are. Some of us are like, okay,

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 4>these labels have gotten out of control, like this.

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 3>Is not that said.

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>So I've had so many conversations where I'll be like,

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 1>I never say this on my podcast, but.

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm constantly being like, do not let me,

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Like I would never.

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Say this because I'd be like, girl, I'll say that

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:41.359
<v Speaker 2>on a microphone, you can say it with me. I'm

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.160
<v Speaker 2>going to just let yeah.

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:46.280
<v Speaker 4>No, It's just it's tough because again, I want everyone

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 4>to identify however they want. But like even for bisexually bisexual, bisexual,

0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 4>pan sexual, polysexual, ambisexual. They're using the word m spec

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 4>and then also queer, and I'm like, real, said, have

0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:00.280
<v Speaker 4>none of it.

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely the abortion picture that you get. It's what

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 3>that's what I think.

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.879
<v Speaker 4>It's multi gender spectrum. I think, hold on, I really

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 4>should know this, I really should know this.

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 2>What she was talking about, the little little the little

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:13.839
<v Speaker 2>sonogram is.

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 4>Just to die just aspect we should wrap this up

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:21.520
<v Speaker 4>because I'm actually getting exhausted thinking about all of the difference.

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm like, well, what the fuck am I if

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't hours yes, no, why? But I'm just saying, like,

0:53:29.560 --> 0:53:31.319
<v Speaker 1>if I had to like pick another word, like I

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 1>guess pan sex will be the next one. But then again,

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not that attracted to I wouldn't say non binary because.

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 3>You're non binary phobic.

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm just you don't know, non binary, canceled cy.

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Binary.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was gonna say I haven't really found myself

0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 1>too attracted to trans people yet once in a blue

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.439
<v Speaker 1>someone I know, but like dating.

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.759
<v Speaker 3>Every single man in the history, that's it for sex though,

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:02.439
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying.

0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 2>But I watch trans women, I'm watch them have sex

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 2>with men. I don't necessarily want to have sex with them,

0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:09.879
<v Speaker 2>but I want to be in the room and watch

0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:10.439
<v Speaker 2>them have sex.

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 4>I think one thing I want to say to this,

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 4>and what's made it so complicated is sexual attraction is

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:16.920
<v Speaker 4>not politically correct.

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, like who you are attracted.

0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:23.280
<v Speaker 4>To, whether it is trans people, via race, via body size,

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 4>via everything.

0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:25.120
<v Speaker 2>We like.

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:26.839
<v Speaker 4>The reason why we have our attractions, I think it's

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.759
<v Speaker 4>a combination of genetic but then also society telling you

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:32.279
<v Speaker 4>this is what's attractive, and this is you know, these

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Western standards of beauty and all the shit.

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:37.280
<v Speaker 3>But now you're older, you reach.

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 4>A point that your attractions actually, let's say, are not

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:41.880
<v Speaker 4>as innate as you thought they were, and they are

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:44.160
<v Speaker 4>more because society has told you this.

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Well it's like, fuck, what do you do? Now?

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 4>Do you start like you can't everybody? Well, well it's

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 4>tough to change you. Like, your attractions are your attractions.

0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 4>You can't be like, oh I wish I was more

0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:56.359
<v Speaker 4>attracted to trans people are non binary people, So I'm

0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 4>gonna start watching trans and not binary porn trying to

0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.960
<v Speaker 4>condition my Like, what do you do even if society

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 4>has told you these group of people are not attractive?

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Society told me that the majority of men are five

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to nine. It has not made me want them, motherfucker.

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I know that the toll motherfuckers are far in slim

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 2>between or whatever the thing.

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:24.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm six four, just letting you know people where to

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 4>find yeah, Zachary, not everyone.

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Where to purchase your book, where to follow you, where

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 2>to find you, where to support you?

0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So my name is Zachary Zaane.

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<v Speaker 4>My book boy Slot, a memoir and manifesto, coming out

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 4>May ninth.

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<v Speaker 3>You can pre order it everywhere books are stay have

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 3>to be part of the lgbt Q. I A little plus.

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 4>You absolutely do not need to be part of the

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:48.319
<v Speaker 4>lgbt Q I A two plus B plus P. I'm

0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.759
<v Speaker 4>adding the V for vomit fetish as part of that.

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<v Speaker 4>I know this is how I get canceled. No, it's

0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 4>this really is for absolutely everyone, and I made a

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 4>painstaking effort to make this inclusive of straight men, straight women,

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 4>by women, lesbians. I think we all have sexual shame,

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 4>regardless of your gender or sexuality, and this speaks to

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 4>all of it. And it's about, you know, embracing your

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 4>sexuality and finding the lifestyle and the.

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:14.080
<v Speaker 3>People that works for you.

0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Where can they purchase it?

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:20.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean Amazon, every bookstore, bookshop dot org if you

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 4>want to support local bookstores, which you absolutely should do,

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 4>and then you can follow me Twitter, Instagram, Zacharizane Underscore

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 4>and the underscores at the end if you just google

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.560
<v Speaker 4>boy Slot, I have the digital zine that comes up,

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:38.000
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0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 4>of that list is It's wild. And then Zacharzane dot

0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 4>com is my website.

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Hey, congrat I know I'm purchasing it right now. Yes,

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I got you. I love that everybody is working and

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 2>striving and really pushing these conversations to the forefront.

0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I think, great chapter.

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I know even my even my mom, like when we

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:05.440
<v Speaker 2>talk about what I do, she almost envies the fact

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that I'm able to go through my twenties and thirties

0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>with the knowledge and security in my sexuality that she

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.320
<v Speaker 2>feels like was robbed from her just because of the

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 2>time frame that she grew up there. Yeah, so I

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:15.800
<v Speaker 2>love that these.

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Are conversations your mom to be a woman's order or

0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>order its place.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:24.680
<v Speaker 2>So y'all make sure, yes, y'allo.

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 4>And it is controversial. You're not gonna agree with everything,

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 4>and that's Okay, that's.

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, And I like books that I don't agree with.

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:31.080
<v Speaker 4>You hopefully grew with most of it, you know what

0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean. But I'm trying to push the envelope.

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, the puking chapter, I'll tell you, that's where I'm

0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna be like this motherfucker crazy.

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:40.880
<v Speaker 3>It is so funny. I said, this book is fucking hilarious.

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>The chapter names got me and it taught me a

0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 1>lot about what to look for in a book.

0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I love I'm thinking about Golden Showers have to be

0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Check us out on patreon dot com backslash Horrible Decisions.

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Every single month we do a live town hall where

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 1>we get to sit with you, have some drinks and

0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>debunk the episodes we're gonna be talking about.

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Zacharun so to be a lot.

0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Of podcast and Zachary, thank you so much for joining us.

0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>He had another episode of horb Decisions Hi bye, and abortions.

0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Even I know doesn't want to allow black history African.

0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:19.160
<v Speaker 1>America, so that wasn't even going on at the time

0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that I meet her, and I got into it.

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 3>But I replied to her and I said.

0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Zoe, all of the women you work with and service

0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and are you serious? And she and I said, think

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:32.760
<v Speaker 1>about it, like we're literally talking about kids that like

0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 1>he wants to not like he was talking about anti

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.960
<v Speaker 1>abortion laws and I was like, like, you think this

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 1>is okay for unsafe abortions, even down to women getting rape,

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:45.120
<v Speaker 1>And she was like, this is not something that concerns me.

0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Every day, taxes do equal rights and da da da

0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:49.560
<v Speaker 1>da da. And I was like, wow, my nigga, Like

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that shit was really wild because Zoe isn't I.

0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Believe she let me ask you a question, like we've

0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>talked about some of your friends supporting Trump. Now Trump

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:05.200
<v Speaker 2>has a celebrity about him, so I still love celebrity

0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 2>apprentice to this day, so I get even the draw

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to him to some people.

0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:10.720
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't some of my friends.

0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 2>You talked about Anthony. I mean whatever, Well, there's been

0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 2>conversations where you said you've sat at tables and you

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.920
<v Speaker 2>realized that people were Republican and supported him as well.

0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah like dinners and shit. Yeah yeah yeah,

0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 2>So I do want to know. I feel like thesensus

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:30.640
<v Speaker 2>is so dangerous. Could you be friends or even acquaintances

0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:33.160
<v Speaker 2>with someone who supports somebody like no, and you.

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Know what's interesting. Anthony and I did have a conversation

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:40.560
<v Speaker 1>about him before and we were something about him came

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 1>up and he was like, bro, he's like, you know,

0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:46.000
<v Speaker 1>he's like the Trump shit. And he's like, he's like

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:48.160
<v Speaker 1>for me, he was like, you know, I'm not paying

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:48.920
<v Speaker 1>taxes all day.

0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:49.800
<v Speaker 2>He's very like old.

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 1>School Puerto Rican New York, you know. And he was like,

0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>but what we're starting to see with the governors.

0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 3>He like the radical shit.

0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:57.840
<v Speaker 1>He's like, absolutely not, and he said, I never thought

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Trump was a radical guy. I was like, that's a

1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:03.000
<v Speaker 1>weird thing for you to say, considering I believe that

1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.640
<v Speaker 1>all these people were birthed under the Trump ring. To me,

1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:10.800
<v Speaker 1>these people feeling so much excitement about anti abortion laws

1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and keeping women anyway, I say all that. To say

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that to me, it was interesting because he was like, remember,

1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and I said, but Trump made a comment that people

1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:22.720
<v Speaker 1>that got abortions before he was in office should go

1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:23.160
<v Speaker 1>to jail.

1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:25.439
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, it's he just did that to blow

1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:27.040
<v Speaker 2>smoke up. Everybody's asked to get an office.

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.000
<v Speaker 3>He just wanted to do that, And it's possible.

1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:32.600
<v Speaker 2>It's possible. It's interesting because I mean, the more that

1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm excelling financially, which that's been a whole cluster fucking

1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:44.200
<v Speaker 2>therapy for me. I am socially liberal fiscally conservative. However,

1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:50.840
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like money versus the rights of human beings,

1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.280
<v Speaker 2>I still don't know how taxes is just the number

1:00:54.280 --> 1:00:59.000
<v Speaker 2>one response for why people want to sit here and say, oh, well, financially,

1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be a republic can vote when there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many bills and laws that are being pushed that

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<v Speaker 2>literally take away the rights of human bro I it

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never I don't have an attitude of get up

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<v Speaker 1>and work. I don't have an attitude of get up

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<v Speaker 1>a work. I've never had that attitude. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>in that my father has worked his whole life to

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<v Speaker 1>only now have a social security of eleven hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>like my parents before I was having a good job

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<v Speaker 1>where like using food stamps and Medicaid and shit like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I'm lucky enough to be able to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of them. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>there's somebody else that's a seventy one your old woman

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<v Speaker 1>like my mother, who can't afford the shit like that's

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<v Speaker 1>where my money is going out, hope.

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<v Speaker 3>So and if it doesn't, it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not about to fight about the shit when

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, I'm the person that's

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<v Speaker 1>been on the front lines being like raw, raw, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to give your tax money up so.

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<v Speaker 3>I deserve it too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Am I gonna register my business and businesses of Florida?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I gonna try to cheat the shit? You know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. Damn, But I'm at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but I'm still gonna pay my taxes hope. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting and even that I'm always fused to police.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>It's strange because there's still this idea even now when

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<v Speaker 2>people travel abroad, like there's still this idea of ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>you ain't scared to go to another country. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>so crazy because America is really shitty compared to so

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<v Speaker 2>many other countries. Yes, there's a lot of countries where

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<v Speaker 2>women don't have rights and can't get education and have

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<v Speaker 2>to cover their whole bodies and men run everything. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you really dig into our not only judicial system,

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<v Speaker 2>but our government and how things are operated from a

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<v Speaker 2>federal and a state and a local municipal and how

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<v Speaker 2>everything is so different and divided. It's really scary what

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<v Speaker 2>laws are currently being pushed in past in our country

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<v Speaker 2>that make it completely unsafe and it's crazy. But I

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<v Speaker 2>did want to get into that doc because I know

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<v Speaker 2>our cinema normally sometimes goes askew, and there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>great topics for this specific for this specific documentary. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give a spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 1>It said a skew this whole last week, said Bursted Tomato,

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<v Speaker 1>and now she's on a skew?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that not a word? A skew is a word.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't believe you.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you used it after bursting