1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Shout out to Las Vegas is 4 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: the Sphere. Shout out to our super producer, mister Max Williams. 5 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Max, There's no place like home. There's no place like home, Williams. 6 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 2: There we go. 7 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: Love it. That's mister Noel Brown, returned from some adventures. 8 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: They call me Ben Bullen in this part of the 9 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: world due to some ongoing litigation. Look, once upon a time, 10 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: as our pal Jordan told us, Uh, the Wizard of 11 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: Oz was a big deal. Did you ever read the 12 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: old books by there was a book? 13 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I did. 14 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: I am aware of the book, and apparently in the 15 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,279 Speaker 3: book the slippers are silver, But that did I wouldn't 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 3: have translated to the silver screen as well as read 17 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: for some reason and the infinite wisdom of the pictures 18 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: and the golden age of Hollywood. Yeah, no, I do 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: love the story. You know if the Frank Albaum series 20 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: of books, which also I believe encompassed a lot of 21 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: the lore that went into the utterly terrifying children's film 22 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: Returned to Oz. Yes, like Queen Momby And there's some 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 3: ruby slippers in that one too, by the Gnome King 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: and the. 25 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Most unfriendly rollerbladers in. 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: The Wheeler History nightmare stuff my friends. 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Ah, yes, yeah, that's one of those things that will 28 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: encourage the Mandela effect because you're wondering whether or not 29 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: that actually happened or if you just had a traumatic 30 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: childhood fever dream. 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: In the film Young Ferusa Bulk, you may remember from 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: the Craft, I'm still terrified to other things. Yeah, for sure, 33 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: she's great in the Craft, and she's also an American 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: History X when she was a kid, and she's in 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: this film and her character has I believe, been committed 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: to a psychiatric institute and is given like shock treatment 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: and that's what leads her to re hallucinate Oz kind 38 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 3: of and it's boy, is it ever dark? 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: And I wonder what I wonder what Frank would think 40 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: about that, what the author Baum would think. 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: Anyway, here's a Disney picture by the way. 42 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, a lot of stuff got co signed 43 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: by Disney. 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: This was a golden era for Mega Mega Dark Live 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: Action Disney. This is the I want to say, early nineties. 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: People were going through stuff, you know, Alison Shean's was big. 47 00:02:54,600 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: It was a whole thing, all right. 48 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: Here's our story for today, courtesy of our phenomenal research 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: associate friend of the show, Jordan run Talk. In the 50 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 1: story Wizard of Oz, the film adaptation, our protagonist Dorothy 51 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: Gale Tornado jokes true, she has gifted a pair of 52 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: magic ruby slippers, and these are actual artifacts because the 53 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: MGM studio, their prop department did, of course have to 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: make actual ruby slippers. These have become one of the 55 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: most coveted bobbles in movie history. 56 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: Pieces of movie memorabilia. 57 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: And we're going to get to some great info Jordan 58 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: found about how like at the time, movie memorabilia was 59 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 3: not a thing, the studios didn't know what they had. 60 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: I guess they just didn't have. 61 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: A long view of it all, and this kind of 62 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: kind of popped up as a cottage industry that then, 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: of course became incredibly lucrative. 64 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: They were still using as best This is snow exactly. 65 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: Oh totally. 66 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot that's maybe another episode, 67 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: because there's a lot of crazy behind the scenes stuff 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: involving the production of the Wizard of Oz. 69 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: Ben Mins. I imagine as you mentioned the sphere in 70 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: Las Vegas. 71 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 3: You're aware of this bizarre sort of event experience. I 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: guess where they've reimagined The Wizard of Oz film through 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: enhancements using AI and machine learning in order to widen 74 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: the frame of this classic Golden Age Hollywood film to 75 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: encompass the entire three hundred and sixty degrees of the 76 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: Vegas sphere. There's also live action elements where the flying 77 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: monkeys swoop in on like you know, like what do 78 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: you call it? Wires and you know, hurricane wind effects 79 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: and all that. Very four D cinema at its arguably, 80 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, kind of most gross. It's not my thing. 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: Maybe if it's free you by all means up you 82 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: enjoy yourself. But general, you little odd, little odd, that's 83 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: a general you ridiculous historians. This fear has fascinated all 84 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: three of us and hopefully you as well since its construction. 85 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: Check out our pals. I was hanging with Jack and 86 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: Miles talking about this earlier. I can't remember when, but 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: it is. 88 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: You know, the best way to do it, since we 89 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: want to save some time here, is to go to 90 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: the New York Times article from September one, twenty twenty 91 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: five by Alyssa Wilkinson, and I love the title here, 92 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: nol it is. It is film criticism, and the headline reads, 93 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: is the Wizard of oz a Sphere the future of cinema? 94 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: Or the end of it? That is the question. 95 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's sort of part and parcel 96 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: of the kinds of conversations that folks have around let's 97 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: say George Lucas reimagining his previous films and making the 98 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: original versions no longer able to be seen or acquired, 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: And then the question then becomes like, is there any 100 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: end to this kind of revisionist history of like classic cinema? 101 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: And I would argue this is maybe not at the end. 102 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to be dire about it, but it 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: just kind of rubs me the wrong way. So we 104 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: are talking more specifically about the original creation of this 105 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 3: incredible piece of Hollywood history and some of the props 106 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: and the screen used pieces that kind of developed a 107 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 3: life of their own in terms of like Hollywood lore. 108 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: And there's a really really cool story surrounding these ruby slippers. 109 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: Yes, in two thousand and five. So we're because we 110 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: love Jordan, we're pushing our typical historical timeline a bit 111 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, the actual slippers, the props 112 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: that ished in the wee hours of the evening. They 113 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: were stolen will learn by a retired mobster who was Mexican, 114 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: me some heist music. He was desperate to make one 115 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: last score because he thought last job. Yeah. He thought 116 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: the shoes were encrusted and bedazzled with real rubies, and 117 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: he was convinced that he had made this huge win 118 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: until he went to an actual jeweler who says, I'm sorry, 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: but these are sequins and class. So he sat on 120 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: these stolen slippers for over ten years, and he had 121 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: no idea that one day these legendary shoes would sell 122 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: for thirty two point five million US dollars. 123 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: Much like MGM itself, though, you know, with the gift 124 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: of hindsight, I suppose had no idea that this was 125 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: going to be such a hot item. So fans of 126 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: the novels by Frank Alboon, specifically the original nineteen hundred 127 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, know that Dorothy Gale's 128 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: famous kicks were originally going to be silver slippers. That's 129 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: what they were in the book. Has a nice ring 130 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: to it, the silver slippers, but MGM brass did not 131 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: think that they would pop well enough on screen. This 132 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: was going to be obviously a very very important early 133 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: use of technicolor, going from black and white to color. 134 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: From when Dorothy lands in the Wonderful World of Oz. 135 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: And silver. 136 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Silver, we're not really flexing And the whole silver slippers 137 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: yellow brick road thing is about the gold standard as 138 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: a metaphor. 139 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, for sure. 140 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: And I don't know, man, I still to this day 141 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: I'm so baffled by how well it works when you 142 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: play Dark Side of the Moon along with the Wizard 143 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: of Oz. There's no way they could have done it 144 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: as on purpose as it seems. But boil boy, is 145 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: that a fun thing to do? So just start the record, 146 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: I think after the third roar of the MGM Lion. 147 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: The slippers were designed by legendary costumer Gilbert Adrian, who 148 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: was the chief costume designer over there at MGM. Originally 149 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: they were made in what was referred to as the 150 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: Arabian motif, with these curling toes and high heels, elaborate 151 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: jewel encrustation. They were using a costume test, but ultimately discarded. 152 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: I don't know at the time if I'm giving them 153 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: too much credit by saying they maybe realized it was problematic, 154 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 3: but it's certainly. 155 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: Here, Jordan, if you're listening, I will I will take 156 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: exception on this. I'll push back because the racist reasoning 157 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: for maybe not having them was that was probably that 158 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Louie b Meyer who shows up in stuff they don't want, 159 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, in a few episodes. He probably thought it 160 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: was too exotic for the time because it's a wholesome 161 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: Midwest fantasy story. 162 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, at least the way possibly the further reasons of 163 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: xenophobia that maybe led to them not being. 164 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Used, at least the way they're framing that it's supposed 165 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: to be a wholesome Midwestern fantasy. 166 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: So the second design after that one was mixed was 167 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: a bit closer to what we now know as the 168 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: famous iconic ruby slippers. However, they had one modification. The 169 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: red beads were initially deemed to be too heavy, and 170 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: they were ultimately replaced by two three hundred sequins per 171 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: shoe made of a gelatin material, which have since caused 172 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: an absolute nightmare for folks who are trying to maintain 173 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: and preserve these items. 174 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we'll get into some of the restoration, but 175 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: essentially the boffins who have to clean these shoes have 176 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: to do each sequin one by one with a very 177 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: small piece of cotton dipped in very cold water. It's 178 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: weird because the shoes themselves are not super duper or 179 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: nate nor elaborate. They're these white silk pumps made by 180 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: a place called the Inn's Shoe Company, and then they 181 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: get dyed red and then they put these burgundy sequined 182 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: organza overlays around it. And because technicolor, I still think 183 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: we all remember that moment where you watch the first 184 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: part of Wizard of Oz, the adaptation, and it's in 185 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: black and white, and then all of a sudden we 186 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: burst out into Oz and it's in technicolor. Incredible, it's amazing. 187 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: But technicolor technology was technically not techan because the shoes 188 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: would have looked orange on screen, so the costume team 189 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: had to correct for that. If you look at the 190 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: shoes in real life, you can see them at Smithsonian 191 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: over there in DC. Huge fans of that check out 192 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: their podcast Side Door. You'll see that the shoes are 193 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: not as impressive Irl as they are in the film 194 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: because they're darker. 195 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: They're darker, and obviously the look of them in the 196 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: film had a lot to do with really really powerful 197 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: lights and just again the way that color saturated on 198 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: that Technicolor film. So, according to folks who worked on 199 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: the film, somewhere between six and ten pairs of size 200 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: five ruby slippers were made for the production. Not uncommon 201 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: to have, you know, duplicates for various reasons. 202 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: Some of these were meant to be used for close ups. 203 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: Other that were a little maybe less bespoke, were meant 204 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: to be used in wide shots when she was walking 205 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: and dancing. Perhaps they were not as ornately decorated so 206 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: they couldn't get messed up if they got dinged. These 207 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: had orange felt attached to the souls, so they didn't 208 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 3: make as much noise on the set, the yellow brick 209 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: roads set. 210 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that makes sense for anybody in production. 211 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of friends in the world of 212 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: movie making and motion pictures here in our metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia. 213 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: You know, you have to make all sorts of little 214 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: compromises and tweaks and fixes to get the effect you 215 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: want on screen. Let's get to the saga of a 216 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: guy named Kent Warner, which we have chosen to call 217 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: a memorabilia savior. 218 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 2: So as we know now. 219 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: We're jumping around in time here, folks. There are four 220 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: pairs of ruby slippers that were used on screen that 221 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: we know exists today, and the reason they exist today 222 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: is entirely due to our buddy Kent. He was working 223 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: in the costume department of an MGM project. And for decades, 224 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: as we mentioned at the top, the studios didn't really 225 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: care for their old movie props. You made the thing, 226 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: you hope it played well in theaters and for the audience, 227 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: and then you left stuff to gather dust in case 228 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: you needed it again. So if you did a film 229 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: and you know, ancient Egypt or something, you had all 230 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: that costumerey or all those props, and you would just 231 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: literally put them in storage on the off chance you 232 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: might be able to do another film about it, another 233 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: Egyptian picture coming right, yeah, or Greek film, you know 234 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. 235 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: In that kind of short sightedness too, as we know, 236 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: extended to the way they stored film as well. Like 237 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: you know, you had a lot of archival issues because 238 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: of the fact that these film stocks were or something 239 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: called vinegar syndrome as well, like there's a thing that 240 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: happens when you leave these things unprotected where they start 241 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: to more or less degrade over time. Not to mention Ben, 242 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: you're absolutely right, fire hazards. So a lot of this 243 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: stuff was very short sighted. They did not look at 244 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: this as a long term play in terms of archiving 245 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: and making sure that this stuff would be around for 246 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: future generations to enjoy on its own merits in terms 247 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: of like museum quality and can I also just really 248 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: quickly give a shout out to somebody who I know, 249 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: you know and love friend of the show and former 250 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: house stuff works Alum russ Vic, who works over there 251 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: at the Center for Puppet Shire Arts. I hadn't thought 252 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 3: about Russ in a minute, and I saw a video 253 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: on their instagram of Russ doing some incredible puppet restoration 254 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: on a globe from Pewee's Playhouse. And that is a 255 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: very similar type of process to what would have had 256 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: to have been done cleaning individually these sequence you know, 257 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: so you had to know about what kind of weird 258 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: methods were used at the time and then adjust accordingly. 259 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: So you're doing a good job and cleaning it rather 260 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: than making it worse. 261 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Russ is absolute, utter legend, good friend of the show, 262 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: good friend of ours, and and he works in rarefied 263 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: air as a restoration expert in a very specific genre. 264 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: Do check out the Center for Puppetry Arts if you 265 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: ever have the opportunity to visit Atlanta. We are huge 266 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: fans of very specific museums, and by golly bye gosh, 267 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: that is indeed one to the point about what happens 268 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: to these shoes. I've got to tell everybody. This reminds 269 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: me of when I was appearing in commercials for big 270 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: companies and we would have a production that lasts a 271 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: couple of days or whatever. Everybody and the crew walks 272 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: off with stuff, right, you hit up crafty, you get 273 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: a twelve pack whatever soda is left over. You might also, 274 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: just like members of the Wizard of Oz production crew, 275 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: you might just walk off with a souvenir, you know, 276 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: a little relic at your time there, and the studio 277 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: heads don't care. Louis Meyer is doing other stuff like 278 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: frantically and aggressively harassing women. 279 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, story for another day, but that's absolutely true. 280 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: Is was the case with a lot of the big 281 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: wigs in these days and hey, in much more recent 282 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: time as we know, and you hear stories even in 283 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: more recent times of actors walking off with pieces of 284 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: wardrobe and stuff like that. 285 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: You're not technically supposed to, but it does happen. 286 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: But in these days it was not even like an 287 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: unspoken thing that it was a no no, It was 288 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: just they didn't really care. And that was largely because 289 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: again of that short sightedness. So whatever stuff got left 290 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: was just thrown kind of haphazardly into warehouses or basements 291 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: or barns, barely cataloged, just kind of very willy nilly 292 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 3: sort of ad hoc operation. But one person who absolutely 293 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: did care was that Kent Warner that we talked about 294 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: who worked for MGM in nineteen sixty nine when the 295 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: studio had just been sold and we're basically doing a 296 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: bit of house cleaning. So there was a lot of 297 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: stuff to comb through. Imagine like your one little storage unit. 298 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: This is that times, you know, one hundred kits. 299 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so our buddy Kent looks at the studio 300 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: heads at the top brass as he's trying to clear 301 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: out all these dusty relics of older films, and they say, 302 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: all right, burn it, burn it all. Just start burning stuff. 303 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: And as he's about to set this bonfire, he sees 304 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: an overcoat and he looks a little closer. Ah, what's 305 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: wish he says, in a perfect impression, And he looks 306 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: inside the lining of the coat and someone has stitched 307 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: the name Bogart. It turns out this is the overcoat 308 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: that Bogart is wearing in Casablanca. And he starts to say, wait, 309 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: what if this is part of history, not just stuff 310 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: we should burn? And he goes to the studio and 311 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: he says, hey, I know you guys want me to 312 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: burn all this stuff, but could we keep it because 313 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 1: it maybe important later. And everyone at the studio is like, 314 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't care. 315 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: So he's wild to me. The lack of foresight on 316 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: this stuff. 317 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: It just seems like it's their job to kind of 318 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: think about legacy stuff and literal no pun intended, big 319 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: picture scenarios. 320 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: Well, let's not paint them as villains, though absolutely not. 321 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: It's just more of like a I don't know, it 322 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 3: was sort of the way things were done at the time, 323 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: But what what do you got? 324 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: They had, not me, but they had other things on 325 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: their mind. And the reason I'm saying we can't paint 326 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: them entirely as villains, can't technicolor them as monsters, is 327 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: because they didn't get in the way of Kent taking 328 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: this stuff. Very true, you know, they said essentially, they 329 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: probably said, we need the square footage, we need the 330 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: space for other stuff. So you do with it what 331 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: you want. You can take it, you can burn it, 332 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: we don't care. We're not going to charge you. And 333 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: he does that. He takes this and eventually stars from 334 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: some of these earlier films start coming to him. For instance, 335 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: Debbie Reynolds becomes a regular customer of Kent's and she 336 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: would call him up and say, hey, can you find 337 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: costumes from films I did in the past, like Singing 338 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: in the Rain? And they would go digging, and he 339 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: would literally meet her in a parking lot behind a 340 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: drug store a rite aid on Fairfax and Sunset and 341 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: sell her stuff from the trunk of his car. 342 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 2: Pretty cool man. He was a real wheeler dealer. 343 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 3: And you know, here are other situations. 344 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: Like where he would provide. 345 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: Some of these pieces to other actors who maybe were 346 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: looking for something that had a particular sentimental value. Sometimes 347 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: he would just give these pieces to folks who maybe 348 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: didn't even know it was coming, or it never even 349 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: occurred to them to ask about. Like an example where 350 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: Betty Davis was working on the Smothers Brother's comedy Hour 351 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 3: on the Lot and Warner brought her a Queen Elizabeth 352 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: costume that she'd worn in The Virgin Queen nineteen fifty 353 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 3: five film that she actually won an Academy Award for. 354 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: And so, as Jordan points out on All We Dig Kent, 355 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 3: Warner's vibe he is a venerable Robin Hood of memorabilia, right. 356 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: Stealing from the studio, given to the people. But it's 357 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: not really stealing, he's just finding it. 358 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 2: He more or less had permission, he did. He very 359 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: much did so. 360 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: At this point, our cigar chomping tycoons of the film industry, 361 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: the studio top dogs, they say, I're sitting on a 362 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: gold mine here. And they have a huge auction in 363 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: May of nineteen seventy and this auction is comprised of 364 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of various props and costumes from over 365 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: the year. They go to our man Kent and they say, 366 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: find these things, anything of value? Cataloged them, and this 367 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: is where Kent finds the ruby slippers. He is pawing 368 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: through almost five hundred thousand different costume sets and then 369 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: he discovers them in and Jordan is on the fence 370 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: about this. The shoes are either discovered in a barn 371 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: that used to be on the MGM lot or in 372 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: a neglected basement. He finds three pairs of these slippers. 373 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: He only turns over one pair to MGM for the 374 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: auction and that becomes their centerpiece, that's like their big 375 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: ticket item. Then he sells another pair. You know, he's 376 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: side hustling behind the right aid, right, and he keeps 377 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: a third pair for himself and Noel. The pair he 378 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: keeps for himself is the best pair. 379 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: Arguably the nicest looking ones that would have been reserved 380 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: for those close up shots. Super beautiful and elaborate. So 381 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: what happened to the shoes? The MGM auction took place 382 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: again in nineteen seventy and they were bought by a 383 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: lawyer for fifteen grand. The lawyer is acting on behalf 384 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: of an unidentified client, and that's believed to be the 385 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: pair that is currently on permanent exhibition at the Smithsonian 386 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 3: Museum of American History in DC. It's been there since 387 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine. Since then, there are a lot of ausi's, 388 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: you know, of people in the oz circles referring to 389 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: them as the People's shoes. 390 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: Oh, and for a quick inflation calculator, max, if we 391 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: could get a boop. 392 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: Of course, excuse me, we must at a dude. He 393 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: booped off, Mike, We've got the boob. 394 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: So fifteen thousand dollars in nineteen seventy is one hundred 395 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: and twenty five and forty eight dollars and forty five 396 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: cents today. 397 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 3: Still seems like a deal to me, considering where we're heading. 398 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: I think we tease that at the top of the 399 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: show the People's Shoes. To this day, that attraction is 400 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: so popular that the carpets surrounding the case in the 401 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: museum has had to be replaced on multiple occasions due 402 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: to the wear and tear from all of the tourists 403 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: and ozzies coming in to take a look. A lot 404 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 3: of very observant visitors will even notice that the shoes 405 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: on display are actually mismatched. Two of the pairs that 406 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: we talked about of those various dupes got jumbled up, 407 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: presumably back at the MGM lot, and to this day 408 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: they've never actually been rematched with one another. 409 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let's go back to the fancy shoes that 410 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: Warner kept for a while. They're called the Witch's shoes. 411 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: They're the ones you see on the spoiler for Wizard 412 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: of Oz. There's a death very early odd in the show. 413 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: The Wicked Witch of the East has a house dropped 414 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: on her while she's wearing these lucky iconic magic shoes. 415 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: Those are the pair he is coveting right and holding 416 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: with him. They are are from those shots. Eventually, in 417 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, he sells that pair at another auction 418 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: for twelve thousand dollars. One more inflation calculator. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 419 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: boopit and a dude, boopit, bop it, flex it. What's that? 420 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: That's the thing? Yep, the boppit. Yeah you do. You 421 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: can twist it, pull it, punch it, stab it. 422 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, and Max, we need sylecus for all 423 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: of those. So it's twelve thousand dollars in nineteen eighty 424 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: one is the equivalent of forty two thousand, seven hundred 425 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: and sixty nine dollars and eleven cents today. 426 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: Man Bucky used to go so much further than't it? 427 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: No kidding? So, unfortunately we know that Kent Warner is 428 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: no longer with us. He passed away in nineteen eighty 429 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: four due to some some medical issues. The witches shoe 430 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: change hands a number of times, or change feet. 431 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: Because it shoes, because it shoes. 432 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 3: It changes feet and they're mismatched. Wait, no, maybe these 433 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: are these? Maybe these we don't know if these were mismatched. 434 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: These are yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So they change feet 435 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: a number of times. And why am I doing that joke? 436 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: It's crazy that I'm allowed to vote or drive anyway. 437 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: So at some point, these witches shoes get acquired by 438 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: a cabal, a shadowy Hollywood cabal, uh for the Academy 439 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Museum. Who's in the cabal? 440 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: We don't know all the members, but we know Leo 441 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: DiCaprio was there. We know Steven Spielberg was there. Is 442 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: that what it's called? 443 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: No, that was what Leonardo DiCaprio's Little Gang of Homies 444 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: was called. Oh wow, yeah, Leo DiCaprio. Toby maguire a 445 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: handful of others. Toby, Toby was in the in the Pepassea. 446 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: I say it like I'm about to call him after 447 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: this and telegon it does. 448 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: Seem like a sweet little cuddly fellow. Yeah. No, he 449 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: apparently banging his way all over town. 450 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: Oh geez, Well, there's another pair of shoes, the contest pair. 451 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: This was not acquired by our buddy Kent. A Tennessee 452 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: woman named Roberta Bauman got a genuine pair of the 453 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: Ruby Slippers after she after she entered a contest called 454 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: name the best movies of nineteen thirty nine was. 455 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: The answer of the Wizard of Oz, that's the best 456 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: movies of nineteen thirty nine to. 457 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: The Ruby Slippers were the door prize. They were the 458 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: second place prize. 459 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: The contest pair. Yeah. 460 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: To illustrate just how little the organizers thought of these, 461 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: we need look no further than that very fact, Ben 462 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: they were the second place prize. They were sold in 463 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight for one hundred and fifty grand to 464 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: a man who worked for the Walt Disney Company, who 465 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: had plans to put them in an entryway for their 466 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 3: Great Movie Ride in what was then known as their 467 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: MGM Park. They were sold again in two thousand for 468 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: a devilish amounts of six hundred and sixty six thousand 469 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: dollars to LA memorabilia dealers who have not displayed the 470 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: shoes reportedly, And that's probably, as Jordan points out, for 471 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: good reason when you hear about what happened to the 472 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: fourth and final pair. 473 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: Doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom Doom. The final pair 474 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: of ruby slippers were those that we mentioned earlier, the 475 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: ones Kent sold on the side in nineteen seventy and 476 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: he did that just during a little little bit extra cash. 477 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: That's the other side of the mismatched pair at the Smithsonian. 478 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: So for a long time these were on display at 479 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: the Judy Garland Museum over in Grand Rapids, where Judy 480 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: Garland used to live. And then on the night of 481 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: August twenty seventh, two thousand and five, a thief broken 482 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: in the night and he smashed the Plexi glass case 483 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: with a sledgehammer, and he ran away with the shoes. 484 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: He didn't put them on, he just held them and 485 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: ran away. 486 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: It wouldn't have been cool, though, would be like dropped 487 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 3: through the ceiling like a mission impossible and then used 488 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: the diamond on the glass to. 489 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: Cut like a perfect circle out of it. 490 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: Nah, this guy was not thinking that he was a 491 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 3: smash and grab artist. 492 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: I've started saying falcon when I think stuff is cool. 493 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: That'd be so. 494 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: Falcon of him. 495 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: That would be absolutely hell a falcon. 496 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: What was not falcon was the fact that these things 497 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 3: were now missing, and an anonymous donor offered a million 498 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: bucks in exchange for information leading to their recovery. 499 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: The actually the FBI actually got involved and a man 500 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: hunt began, which. 501 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen year manhut. I just got to say priorities, right, 502 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: The FBI had other stuff to. 503 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: Do, it would think, so, I mean, MGM had other 504 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: stuff to do. You'd think the FBI, I would definitely 505 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: have other stuff to do. 506 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: How many children can you feed with a million dollars? 507 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: How many libraries or hospitals can you help out? Anyway, 508 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: let me get off this. 509 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: So No, it's a good point, Ben, but Andy, this 510 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: is not the This is not all they did. They 511 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: actually dredged a lake, searched an old mine, you know, 512 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: all the things you do usually when you're looking for 513 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: a body. 514 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: Some slippers. 515 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: I guess the fact that they were potentially worth a 516 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: lot of money, but dude did not seem to realize 517 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: that once he got the info from his jeweler that 518 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: they were not in fact encrusted with actual precious stones exactly. 519 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you imagine He's like, I went to all 520 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 1: this trouble. These shoes are recovered in twenty eighteen because 521 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: there is an FBI steamed operation in Minneapolis. A guy 522 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: approaches this insurer and says, Hey, I know a guy 523 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: who knows a guy who knows a guy. I can 524 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: maybe get these shoes back for you, but I need 525 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars more than the one million dollars 526 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: being offered. 527 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: Very specific, Yeah. 528 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: Very specific. He's definitely looking for a vigorous there. 529 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: Yep. 530 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: And it would appear that the FBI never gave any 531 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 3: further information about the sting. But five years later, a 532 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: federal grand jury indicted a Minnesota man by the name 533 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 3: of Terry John Martin's on one count of theft, for 534 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: which he pled guilty. Terry John Martin's Jordan puts it 535 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: a dumb mobster or the dumbest mobster. 536 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: I think we've already choic. 537 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 3: Hinted at the level of his lack of preparedness and 538 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: seeming ineptitude every stage of this operation. Martin was a 539 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: former mobster who had a long history of b and 540 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: ease as they call them, breaking and entering burgling jobs. 541 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: Not so much heist kind of guy, more of a 542 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: smash and grab type dude, you know, glorified per snatcher. 543 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 3: He also was known for receiving stolen goods, potentially fencing them, etc. 544 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: Before retiring from his life of crime after being released 545 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: from prison in nineteen ninety six. 546 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so this is not a guy who's a 547 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: hit man. 548 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: He's not a nice man. 549 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: He didn't make his bones, but he was very into 550 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: what we call petty crime, a second story artist, according 551 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: to his public defender, as he was trying to live 552 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: the square life post nineteen ninety six, a former associate 553 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: from his criminal past came to him and said, one 554 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: last job. 555 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: He's the one that always gets yet, that's the. 556 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: One that gets you, you know what I mean, walk 557 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: away from the casino of crime while you can. It's 558 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. This guy comes to him and 559 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: he says, Terry, I gotta tell you about a very 560 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: special pair of shoes. And at first Terry says, nah, 561 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm out of the life. You know, I'm into beanie 562 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: babies or whatever. Now the baboos boo oo, and so 563 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: at first he passes on it, according to the Attorney 564 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: Dane decree. But old habits die hard. This is a 565 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: quote from Dane. And the thought of a final score 566 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: kept Terry up at night. 567 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: It always does. 568 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So after a lot of deep thought, some come 569 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: to Jesus. Moments there in the dark, Terry relapses and 570 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: he says, all right. 571 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 2: I'm your huckleberry. I'll do it. I'll do one. I'll 572 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: do this smash and grab for you. 573 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 3: He, of course, as we mentioned, mistakenly believed the ruby 574 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: slippers were adorned with actual rubies, and it wasn't until 575 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: he stole the things took him to a a. 576 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: So called jewelry fence. 577 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: Someone who buys and sells core stolen goods in the 578 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: jewelry world, possibly someone you might find in the gem district, 579 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 3: as portrayed in the film Uncut Gems. 580 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: Sure in Manhattan. 581 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 3: It was, in fact, of course, as we'd mentioned, made 582 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 3: of glass and sequins. Party cities equals Wait a minute, 583 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: why would party party city didn't exist back then? 584 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: We're just styling on it, okay, God, yeah, just to 585 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: say that they are of low value. 586 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: Also, rip party City. It's gone, no more party city, 587 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: no more parties. The real party city is the friends 588 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: we make along. That's very true. 589 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 3: So Terry John Martin reportedly had never seen The Wizard 590 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 3: of Them. 591 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 2: Which is weird. 592 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: He was too, well, he was in prison for. 593 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 2: A while, that's true. 594 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: But that's the kind of movie they'd like show on 595 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: a movie night in prison. You know, I don't know, 596 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 3: maybe it's a little too racy, right. But he also 597 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 3: he also was. 598 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: Living a very different B and E focused life, so 599 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: he was Yes, he was born in the late nineteen forties. 600 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: He was in the prime age because this became a 601 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: cult classic so quickly. But he he was about the 602 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: idea of stealing the shoes as a gem heist to 603 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: this point. So when he learned that the ruby slippers 604 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: were indeed not encrusted with a ton of rubies, they 605 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: weren't like Faberge eggs your feet or whatever, he thought 606 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: they were worthless and he just kept them for years. 607 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't sitting on him hoping they with like 608 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 3: appreciating value. He's sort of done with them, which is interesting. 609 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: He get GMed them, just did his studio. 610 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: You know what he did mgm them. 611 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: It is interesting though, because you think he would have 612 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: knowing at least in his mind, that this was not 613 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: going to have been worth the risk that he has 614 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: already run by doing this crime. Why didn't he just 615 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 3: ditch him or give them to somebody else or whatever. 616 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: He says he did forty eight hours or less than 617 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: forty eight hours after the heist. Our our second story 618 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: artist gave these to a third party, but the answers 619 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: aren't clear. We do know the shoes ultimately get returned 620 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: to the museum, and our buddy Terry, who is in 621 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: his late seventies at this point, he goes to court hearings. 622 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: He's got he's in a wheelchair, he has to breathe 623 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: supplemental oxygen because he has COPD with which you know, unfortunately, 624 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: as some of us may know, that's a very dangerous condition. 625 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: He pleads guilty. He's sentenced to time served, which means 626 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't go back to prison in January of last year, 627 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: and he gets time served because of his very poor 628 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: health and his guilty plea. His lawyer says, I think 629 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: you wanted to take responsibility to move on with his life, 630 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: the little life he has left. 631 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 2: I hate hearing that. I know he goes on. I 632 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: think he lived a fast and loose life, and I 633 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 2: think he's okay with what's happening now. I think he's 634 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 2: at peace with it. 635 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 3: Frankly, and Jordan points out that at the time he 636 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 3: was given six months to live. 637 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 2: However, we have not seen any updates as. 638 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: To his. 639 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 3: Passing or lack thereof, so it would appear that he 640 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 3: may still be living in hospice today. 641 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 2: And our last note for today's episode, those ruby slippers 642 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 2: that were stolen in Returned were put up for sale 643 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 2: by Heritage Auction in December twenty twenty four, and the 644 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 2: auctioneers believed that these slippers would earn something like three 645 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 2: million dollars. That's right, three million dollars is where it got. 646 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 2: In the first couple of. 647 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 3: Seconds of the auction opening, more than eight hundred people 648 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 3: placed bids, and ultimately an unknown buyer spent thirty two 649 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 3: point five million bucks on these making them the most 650 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 3: valuable piece of movie memorabilia ever to be. 651 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: Sold at auction. 652 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: And I think we actually we talked about this story 653 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 3: on Strange News when it happened, because that was a 654 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 3: big deal when the sold, and it had a connection 655 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 3: to this hight story. So it's really cool to kind 656 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 3: of dig in and get some more of the details 657 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 3: surrounding this incredible, bizarre and dare we say, ridiculous story 658 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 3: of what happened to the ruby slippers. 659 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: And this is so this is our last point. This 660 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: is so illustrative of how arbitrary value can be for memorabilia. 661 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine, as Jordan points out, a pair 662 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: of actual ruby encrusted ruby slippers were made as a 663 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: celebration of the fiftieth anniversary of the Wizard of Oz 664 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: film adaptation, and they were only worth about three millions, 665 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: so much less than the fake ones. This is this 666 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: is so nuts. This has been such a wild ride. 667 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: Thank you folks for tuning in and walking the yellow 668 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: brick road with us. Big thanks to our super producer 669 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams, as well as Alex Williams who. 670 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: Composed this track, of course, and thanks again to Jordan 671 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: runtag and check out his podcast Too Much Information, where 672 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 3: he does deep dives and all kinds of fun pop 673 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 3: culture stuff ranging from you know. 674 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 2: I think like a multi multi part episode on the 675 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: making of. 676 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 3: The film Titanic. So do give him a listen. Christ 677 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 3: Frasiotis and eaves. Jeff Coates here in Spirra, Jonathan Strickland 678 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 3: quizt hey j Mohamed Jacob's the Puzzler. 679 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Mangesh Hadakatur friend of the show. We might 680 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: have him on later. Our Pals Daily Zeitgeist, our Pals 681 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: at Ridiculous Crime. If you dig us and stories like this, 682 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: you will love them. So get thee to thy podcast 683 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: platform of choice. And I've got to tell you, I 684 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: always wonder which character I would be in The Wizard 685 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: of Oz. 686 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: I think you're kind of a no, no, no, you're 687 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: a bit of a wizard man us. I think that's nice. 688 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 2: You've said to be a twenty five Well, I mean, 689 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: and I don't want to Oh, is it not a compliment? 690 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 2: It is? It is a compliment in this contest. 691 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 3: Then you are the version of the Wizard that comes 692 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 3: clean and gives out all of. 693 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 2: The honorifics and all of the. 694 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: Who do you want to be at the show? 695 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I'm sort of a cowardly lion 696 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 3: type figure. I guess, or I could be a scarecrow. 697 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 3: I identify with both of those casts. 698 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: I identify with the sc I think we all are 699 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: at some point in our lives. Well, thanks so much, man, 700 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: Everybody tune in next week. We've got more ridiculous history 701 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: on the way. 702 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. 703 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 704 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.