1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Seahawks Stories, teaking you behind the scenes 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: with your favorite Seahawks. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Set back to Bey and Zorn, who's back to pass 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: as time looks for the left sideline, throws a bomb 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: down there, he's got. 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 3: A man in front. He makes to grab a travel 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: It's a thirty down of the twenty. They'll never get him. 8 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 3: He scores touch. 9 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: Out Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot Com and Zorn laid 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: it in perfectly a Rabel who goes in to score 11 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: on an eighty yard pass and run play. 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve 13 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: Raebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn. Oh Zee, I know 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: you get tired of hearing that. I know you'd rather 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: have somebody else catching the football. Well today we do. 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: By the way, it's our first time back here on 17 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: Seahawks Stories this season, so good to be back with 18 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: you again. 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: It's great to see you, Steve, and you look wonderful 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: and now everybody knows you look wonderful. 21 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Well, that's right. This is our first time with the actual, 22 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: the actual video thing going here. 23 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: Now. 24 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: I did a lot of video. I was on camera 25 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: lot a lot, and I can tell yes, and a 26 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: lot of people thought, wow, what a waste of a 27 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: good camera, But still that was the case. But now 28 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: we have it here, we're on video and I got 29 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: to look up at this monter. Oh, he's up there 30 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: with us. Now it's our turn to get a chance 31 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: to say hi to our one of our favorite people. 32 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: From going back to nineteen seventy six, Sam McCollum was 33 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: one of my heroes on this football team, not only 34 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: because he was my teammate, but because he taught me 35 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: a lot about how to be a professional and how 36 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: to be a football player. And I know you appreciated 37 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: him because he caught Dartner everything that got anywhere close 38 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: to him. And usually for big plays, big games. 39 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 2: Touchdowns, when Jerry Rome had to read, he would say, 40 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: can I want you to read the free safety? And 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: if the free safety hangs, throw the deep post. And 42 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: it was to Sam on the deep post. And we 43 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: did that often, you know, even with play action. And 44 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: I think Sam also was on the backside comeback. We 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: completed a lot of comebacks as I as I remember, 46 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: because he was on the single receiver side. 47 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: Well, let's welcome him in. Sam McCullum nineteen seventy six 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 3: with the Seahawks through eighty two, and boy, it's great 49 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 3: to have you with us. Sam, It's great to see 50 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: you as always. 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 4: Great guys. 52 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: It's good to be here finally at the opportunity to 53 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: time sick up our time, so I'm glad it could 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: work out for all of us. 55 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: It's good to see your guns. 56 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: Yeah it is. 57 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: Hey, Sam, how did you? I cannot remember this, and 58 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: I think everybody would like to hear this. I would 59 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: how did you get to the Seahawks because I can't 60 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 2: remember what the situation was coming here for you. 61 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Well, the expansion draft, which happened in the spring of 62 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: seventy six. I was with the Vikings at the time 63 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: and the head coach hap to be a gun Jack 64 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: peterra and I was with him for two years in Minnesota, 65 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: so we came to an expansion draft. I was one 66 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: of the names that me so I put up with 67 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: expansion because I'd had a really. 68 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 4: Tough nineteen seventy five season in Minnesota. 69 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: I hurt my knee and hurt my hand, and I 70 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: missed half the season with injuries, and so when it 71 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: came time for the expansion, they unprotected me and Jack 72 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: Peter's one of the guys that I knew from being 73 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: on the field for two years, and so he brought 74 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: me to Seattle with expansion draft with the hopes that 75 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: I'd bring the culture from Minnesota with me as one 76 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: of the guys I had experienced it all. 77 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: Those years with Budd Grant. 78 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: So it worked out well, Sam, did you or was 79 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: it frustrating for you to go from Minnesota coming all 80 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: the way to Seattle or was that like a lift 81 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: for you? How did you feel about all that? 82 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: Well? 83 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: I felt great about it him because it was one 84 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: of the things that I lived. None people knew. I 85 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: lived for three years in Ferndale, Washington. My dad was 86 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: in the military, but Peach Charch Stake Park was a 87 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: military installation back in those days. 88 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: So I spent my fifth, sixth, and seventh grade years 89 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: in Ferndale. 90 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: So when I had a chance to come back here 91 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: with the expansion, I was pretty excited because I remember 92 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: having such great memories of growing up in north you know, 93 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: on northwestern Washington, and I remember the weather and plus 94 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, we were still practicing outside and playing outside, 95 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: and I hated thea in December and January, We're on 96 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: that frozen tundra outside. It was below zero out there 97 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: for an hour and a half practicing and I just 98 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: never could get warm. So I was happy to come 99 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: to Seattle, and I knew they had a dome, so 100 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I was very happy for that change and a new 101 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: opportunity because I knew in Minnesota there was a German 102 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: named Jim John Gilliman, Uther gim Nam Jim lash that 103 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: had been very well, you know, entrenched in the rules 104 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: there and I was a backup to them for those years. 105 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: So it gave me a chance for a new beginning 106 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: in Seattle. So I was quite happy to come out. 107 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: You had eventually Ahmad Rashad went back there after he 108 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: started with the Seahawks there that that off season, and 109 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: Sam as I remember that first year, that rookie season 110 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: for me. You when you came to Seattle, you were 111 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: still working through that kneeee injury, because it took you 112 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: a little bit of time, as I remember, to kind 113 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: of get through training camp, get it feeling good. But 114 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: the thing that I remember most is that opening game 115 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: against the Cardinals in the Kingdom in nineteen seventy six. 116 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: I started that game, Don Klune started that game. You 117 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: never heard from either of us again after that because 118 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: Sam caught a couple of touchdowns and Steve caught a 119 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 3: couple of touchdowns and that was that. We were off 120 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: and running and we all sort of found our roles. 121 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: But do I remember that, right, Sam? That it was 122 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: you had to kind of get that knee back in 123 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 3: shape before you could really get out there, and then 124 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: once you did, man, you were there forever. 125 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. 126 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: It wasn't as slow as that. It was more just 127 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: accivating to something that was totally new at that time. 128 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: And coming out to Seattle was just so many changes. 129 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: I had met a woman who had to be my 130 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: who became my wife, Kathy, and I was even heard Minnesota, 131 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: which was hard and all those years with my you know, 132 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: being away from my parents as I did as on 133 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: the college in Montana, then all of a sudden, playing 134 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: in Minnesota in front of my parents and my younger 135 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: sisters and that was quite a great thing for me 136 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: to happen, and all of a sudden leaving him. Going 137 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: to Seattle, there was you know, good news, bad news deals. 138 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: So it was hard coming out. But yeah, the injury 139 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: that I had from the previous year was slight knee, 140 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: but it did not hand me as much as Jesse 141 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: the adjustment of being away again, because it was just 142 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: hard to go and leave everybody after four years of 143 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: Montana and then go out to Minnesota for those years 144 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden got to walk away again. 145 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 4: It was kind of hard at that point. So it 146 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: was hard getting used to that. 147 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 2: Well, you actually melded right into the team. You didn't 148 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: like him very much, did you, Steve take in your position? 149 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: No, I listen all I had to do. There's a 150 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: reason why his nickname is Magic. As a matter of fact, 151 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 3: I think we gave him that nick week we voted 152 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: on it. But because he I don't know that you know, 153 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: as good a route runner as Steve is, Steve Larger 154 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: was and all in the Hall of Fame in a Land. 155 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't know that I ever saw anybody run routes 156 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: the way Sam did. She's so smooth. In fact, he 157 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: wanted the nickname Silky. I think silk. We gave him Magic, 158 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: but I think he wanted silk. Anyway, he was that 159 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: one of the final I think it was one of 160 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: the finals. But Sam, you you did you were you 161 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: always able to run pass routes that way? Did you 162 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: always feel comfortable because you're you're like me six y 163 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: two something like that. It's tougher for a taller guy 164 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: to get to where you can get in and out 165 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 3: of your brakes, and I just always always admired you 166 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: for that. That golly, how does he do that. 167 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: Well? 168 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to have some pretty good guys 169 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: there with me to kind of especially Minnesota because Jim 170 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: lash was a receiver at the time. He's like sixty 171 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: five and here I am six two and watching him 172 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: run routes, and John Gillian was five to nine, but 173 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: he was just incredibly, incredibly fast, and so work with 174 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: those guys that I did was also helped. 175 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: But going back for I was coach. 176 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: A guy named Sonny Holland, who was an offensive lineman 177 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: on an All American, realized that I had the attention. 178 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: He brought a guy named Raymond Barry was at Arkansas 179 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: at the time to come in and work with me 180 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: on my route running on a great deal. And we 181 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: had another guy that was there as another quarterback I 182 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: got named Dennis Erickson, was also around my freshman year, 183 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: who was also helping as well. So I had some 184 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: really good mentors teaching me how to be a receiver 185 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: and how to run routes. 186 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: And catch balls and so forth. 187 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: They saw a lot of me that I didn't see 188 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: it myself because I assumed when I left high school 189 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna be going to the military because my 190 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: dad did. He spent almost forty cent years in the military, 191 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: so and we all thought we're going to go to 192 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: the military. But these guys saw a lot and they're 193 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the ones that encouraged me to really spend my time 194 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: and focus on getting better at these particular things. 195 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 4: So it helped. 196 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: But Jim lash was a really good role model for me, 197 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: and he was the guy that literally had six to 198 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: five could just run an amazing route, you know, and 199 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: he showed me how to do it. So it really 200 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: helped a great deal. 201 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: So think about this. What I remember about Sam coming 202 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: in was what you know, And I think this was 203 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: something that Jerry always said. Jerry Rome our coach, and 204 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: he always said, you need to define your route, and 205 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: and having that word in my kind of embedded in 206 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: my brain. When a receiver defines his route, either at 207 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: his break point or right before it, uh then the 208 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: quarterback has a better chance of hit, you know, throwing 209 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: it correctly, do you know what I mean, where the 210 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: receiver can run underneath it, or the accuracy the quarterback 211 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: the quarterback might have. And I think Sam really did 212 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: a great job of defining his route, whether he was 213 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: coming out of his break on a on an en route, 214 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: a curl an out, a go route or that. You know, 215 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: and he's he's kind of ran that post route right 216 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: that we connected on several times. Defining your route. Uh, 217 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: that's how I think of Sam McCollum when he was 218 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: running round and he can kind of blur his legs too. 219 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: I mean for six two he could go, you know, 220 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: get down the field and get on that defender as 221 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: quick as any can. 222 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: You can you still do that, Sam with with your legs? 223 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I probably hurt myself blurre. My legs have deafinitely. 224 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: You know. 225 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: It's just like you know, those legs were just going 226 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: and uh, you know I I just thought that was out, 227 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, it was outstanding. And then Jerry tried to 228 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: get Jerry Rome, our coach, tried to get you onto 229 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: the field and we started going three wide receivers, which 230 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: was kind of unheard of, uh in in the NFL 231 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: at that particular time. And then with a tight end 232 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: and you and Steve and Sam it was purple. Remember 233 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: Purple was with the tight end and Blue was with 234 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 2: just you three. 235 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, in an amazing how now. I mean, not only 236 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: is it is it commonplace, but you almost are always 237 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: that way. We were most of the time in two backs, 238 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: whether it's an eye formation or split backs, uh. And 239 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: then two wide receivers tight end or sometimes three wide receivers. 240 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: But we all had a chance, We all had our 241 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: opportunities out there. Sam, you know, kind of capsualize your 242 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 3: time with the Seahawks. What what are the memories that 243 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: you have of all of us, not only as teammates, 244 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: but your memories of this this group of guys that 245 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: helped build this franchise where it is now. 246 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the one thing that stands out all 247 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: the time is that we came from all different areas 248 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: in the country. We came from all different backgrounds, and 249 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: we meld it so amazingly. Well, we all had a 250 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: common focus and a common goal was to be successful. 251 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: But our focus was to be a team, and I 252 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: think that stood out And you know, what I said, 253 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: and when it came from Minnesota, but Tera wanted to 254 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: bring the culture with him because he had because Blake 255 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: Grahat had that culture. You know, no water and train camp. 256 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: It was just a mental thing there. He couldn't wear 257 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: gloves when it was cold outside. It's a mental thing. 258 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: He had an issue. He didn't need to be on 259 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: you all day about working out and doing things. You 260 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: should be a professional and want to do it yourself 261 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: because it's your job, it's your career. So he really 262 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: wanted that to come to Seattle. So when I was here, 263 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: he talked to me a lot about sharing the things 264 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: in Minnesota that we did. And it was amazing how 265 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: quickly so many of the guys picked up on it, 266 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: because there could have been this whole revolt about I 267 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: came from Dallas, or I came from Green Bay, or 268 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: I came from the Jets, whatever, and we don't do 269 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: it that way. But everybody here really wanted to make 270 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: this a successful franchise. So everybody came together and our 271 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: focus was very common. We had a very common focus 272 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: on how we're going to do things, you know, how 273 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: we're going to get it done. And yeah, there was 274 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that came through that didn't make 275 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: it or didn't stand in a good stand for it, 276 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: but pretty much everyone bought into this issue really wanted 277 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: to have a common focus on common good And I 278 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: think that's part I remember the most because it was 279 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: just such a good thing. And that's why some of 280 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: the guys say, from l Ron Howard's and Paul Johnson, 281 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: the you know Don Testamon's doc few years ago, and 282 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: you know Country and all these guys are still connected today. 283 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: You know, Autrey Beeman is the guy that I stay. 284 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: I talked to Autrey, you know a Brie few weeks. 285 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: He's a guy that I remember from nineteen seventy five. 286 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: So everyone kind of melded, and that was a good 287 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: thing because I had a common focus on a common goal. 288 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing. Very much of your offensive line still 289 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: keeps in touch. We're all kind of connected on an 290 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: email chain. Guys like Fig Newton and Tommy Lynch and 291 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: John Yarno and Artie Kune and Nick Bebout and you know, Sam, 292 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 3: you just you can't find personalities like that all the time. 293 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: And when you said melded together, that's what I started 294 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: to think that, Yeah, sometimes you have to have a 295 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: little give and take. But also we just happened to 296 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 3: have a group of guys that just it seemed to 297 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: work naturally for so many of those guys, And I 298 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: think that's one of the reasons, Jim, so many of 299 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: us have stayed in touch. Now do you realize this, Sam, 300 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: We've talked about it before all most fifty years. It'll 301 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: be fifty years next season. Our first training camp in 302 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. I don't know what happened to you guys, 303 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: but I think I stayed young. You're our inspiration. 304 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: What happened to all of us? 305 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, trust me, I do understand that because my wife 306 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: and I got married after our first season that was 307 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven, So I do know how Mom's 308 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time. 309 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: Trust me. 310 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: Hey, Sam, one thing that I remember too, as we 311 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: as you stated, you know, we worked together. You know, 312 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: we just came into work. We want to establish our 313 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: own traditions. And I didn't know that you had secretly 314 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: talked to Jack Petera about, you know, making sure this 315 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: all this culture was going to happen as far as 316 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: the vikings and bringing it to Seattle but what really worked. 317 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: One of the aspects that really worked was you Steve 318 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: and Steve Rabel never complained about getting getting the ball, 319 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, throwing me the ball. Come on, I'm open. 320 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: It was just we came in, we got into the huddle, 321 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: I called the play and here we go and uh, 322 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: you know, some games they'd take Steve largent away. He 323 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: might catch two or three balls and you would catch 324 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: nine or ten and then rapes you know, did you Yeah, 325 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: he kind of, but but you. 326 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 3: Know, what do you mean? I was very clear. 327 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: I just thought you guys did a great job because 328 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: it really helped me to not have to try to 329 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: pick somebody out to make sure his feelings weren't get 330 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: hurt that he didn't he wasn't catching the ball. And 331 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: I think that you guys really believed. And part of 332 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: that might have been the culture that you were trying 333 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: to instill Sam and then the culture Jerry Rome, because 334 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: I don't think Jerry Rome ever said we have to 335 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: get the ball to this guy or that guy to me. 336 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: As we discussed the next series, he was talking about 337 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: plays and what the defense was giving us, and we 338 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: would try to we try to more than take. 339 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: A Yeah, I think one of the things is we 340 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: didn't have any prima donnas. And I don't say that 341 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: that there that some teams have, but some teams do. 342 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: And you know, and now with the money they made, 343 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: we were all just a I think we all really 344 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: got along. We were all really good friends. We saw 345 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: each other outside of the football field as well, and 346 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: I think that helped. But Sam, we all kind of 347 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: we worked together. And part of it was we didn't 348 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: have our own coach. Jerry Rome coached the quarterbacks, was 349 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator and the receivers coach. So he'd just 350 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: tell us to go to the other field or go 351 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: down on the other side of the field, and you 352 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: guys do your drills and so I'm watching what Sam does, 353 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: I'm watching what Steve doesn't. And that's how I learned. 354 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: I don't know how that affected you, Sam, but it 355 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: was one of those things that I thought kind of helped. 356 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: You know, it was hard, Jim said, we didn't really 357 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: have a chance to complain about not getting the balls. 358 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: We didn't know who to complain too. 359 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 3: That's why. 360 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 4: We never coached. 361 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: Because Jerry Rome was no worried about the offensive scheme, 362 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, him working with Sam Pergroz and everybody else 363 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: about making sure we had the whole game plan in place. 364 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: So for so much of us, it was on us, 365 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: and it was on us to teach ourselves. And I 366 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: think that's why we mail as receiver group because you know, 367 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: we learned each other's positions. I mean, we learned all 368 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: the positions. You know with Steve what I ran, with 369 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: Steve ran which tight end. We had to learn all 370 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: the positions because that's how we kept kind of getting 371 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 1: ahead of the game in some respect because we did. 372 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 4: We just couldn't focus our one position. 373 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: Had learned all the positions, and so many times, you know, 374 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: we switched on the field, like Steve would come in, 375 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: we go three wives, I play inside, outside, large and 376 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: play inside. 377 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 4: You know, we would be constant moving the entire time. 378 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: So for us, we all opportunities based on what the 379 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: defense did to be successful because we were spend a 380 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: lot of time working with each other understand what each 381 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: other's did, and that helped us be successful because we're right, 382 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have a coach. I think today when I 383 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: watched the sidelines of some of the games today, I'm 384 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: shocked at how many coaches they have. I mean, there's 385 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: a receiver coach for one side of the ball. On 386 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: the other side, there's a tight end, there's a running back, 387 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: there's a fullback coach, there's a quarterback coach. 388 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 4: We had one. 389 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: We had one person do that entire job and we 390 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: were still successful it. So we're very fortunate. 391 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: I think when the Seahawks first started in seventy six, 392 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 2: I think we had ten coaches. It might have been eleven, 393 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: but I don't think. 394 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: It was that many. We had three on offense, three 395 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: on defense, and Jack Well, we didn't we have didn't 396 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 3: We come intil like seventy eight or seventy nine as 397 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: special teams? 398 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Andy McDonald, Sam Bags and Jerry Rome. 399 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: They did a ton of work. 400 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 3: And Andy was a special chess coach for the first time. 401 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: But we had Howard too, right. 402 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: Howard came in after Sam left. 403 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 404 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 405 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: So Sam was the offensive coordinator and not Sam McCollum, 406 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: but Sam Bagosian was the offensive coordinator and o line coach. 407 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: Right, and then he went to the Raiders, actually went 408 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: to Houston I think first, then went to the Raiders 409 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: and finished out of his career there. So yeah, you 410 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: also knew exactly like you, Sam said, we didn't know 411 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 3: who to complain too, but you also had there's one voice. 412 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: First of all, there's Jack's voice. But then the next 413 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: voice down on everything offensively was as far as we 414 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: were all concerned, it was Jerry. As as far as 415 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: blocking was concerned. Then it became Howard uh and and 416 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: that was you know, that was all a good thing. 417 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 3: And then Andy with the with the running backs. Sam, 418 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: the best moment, What's what's the one moment that stands 419 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: out to you in our time here? Ah? 420 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Wow, you know it's I guess you got to figure 421 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: our first win. You know, we beat Tampa, and Tampa 422 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: on the very first win that we had was a 423 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: big win for us. 424 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: I mean just getting that very first win. 425 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: And it was my first time in Florida to say 426 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: the least, so I had never been there. So planing 427 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: a place where it was hot and human and really 428 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: having a first win, it was you know, it was fun. 429 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: I remember that just kind of like, wow, the very 430 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: first win in the franchise history would beat Tampa Bay. 431 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: I mean, that was it was a big win. 432 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean, plus starting and catching the first touchdown on 433 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, you know from Jimmy and stuff that we 434 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: caught the very first game as well some memories. 435 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 4: It will be with me for ever forever. 436 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: But partly my biggest memories, guys, is the friends. 437 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: That we made. 438 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I tell people all the time, I said, 439 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: this is People ask me at the time, are you 440 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: sad you played too soon? The money is so big? 441 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm not. I had so much fun 442 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: playing a game when I played it. I couldn't imagine 443 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: not having done that. I really can't. I mean, it 444 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: was just so much fun. And these kids today in 445 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: college with this nil I mean the constant changing of schools, 446 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: I mean, there's they're not going to have. 447 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 4: This long term friendships and long term. 448 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: Can robberies like we have, because if you either got 449 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: to make new friends to start. 450 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 4: Over, we didn't do that. 451 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: We stayed and it was great to have a nucleus 452 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: of people. Like Steve said, we socialized off the field 453 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: and Jane when jim had joy, I think I saw 454 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: him the next week after we met Joey. 455 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 4: And married Joey. I mean in Dave Brown and. 456 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: Sherman Smith and all the guys were always together on 457 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: the field, that we became this little club and it 458 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: was just such a comforting place to be amongst these 459 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: guys all the time. And something I care with me 460 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: today because I tell people, you know, I was a 461 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Seahawk at that time. 462 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 4: It was so much fun to be a part of it. 463 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 4: It's tough to say anything different. 464 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was excited that Jerry Rome was my 465 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: coach because he knew quarter you know, he had been 466 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: a quarterback for so many years, outstanding, and then he 467 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: utilized He looked at the talent that he had and 468 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: he's the one that put Sam over there. He moved 469 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: you there because you're of your speed, Steve, and then 470 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: Larger was on the other side because he was that 471 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: controlled route runner. But he knew what Steve could do 472 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: because he had him in college. And what was fun 473 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: is Havin Sherman back there, David Simms as the full back. 474 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: You know, you said it. We were two back and 475 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: he just utilized us all and we ran some really 476 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 2: tremendous stuff to get everybody the ball. 477 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 3: We were talking, folks, those of you listening before we 478 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: got started here about all the new screens, big video 479 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: screens that the Seahawks have put in down near the 480 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: indoor facility and down by the locker room, and they 481 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 3: are replaying a lot of highlights going back to nineteen 482 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: seventy six. And I had a chance to stand and 483 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: just literally just watch for like fifteen minutes the other day. 484 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: And how many big plays. Not so many to me obviously, 485 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: but Sam and Jim and David Sims, since you brought that, 486 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: And as I remember, we played a game Sam in 487 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: Miami that was as hot and humid today as I 488 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 3: can ever remember. And David Simms one hand off into 489 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: the set, and he had had the year before that 490 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: a great season. He was going to be a star. 491 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: I mean, he could be a tailback, he could be 492 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: a full back, he could catch the ball. He was big, 493 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: went to Georgia, tex So he was like me, smart guy. 494 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: And and and one simple. 495 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 2: Dive it was his career ended. It was a third 496 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: and one. We're in the middle of the field. I 497 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: handed him to the bike. I can still remember it. Yeah, 498 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: I just turned. It was forty dive. He came and 499 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: he just got he got the first down and just 500 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 2: got tackled. 501 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 502 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: And he never got up. Yeah, he said, I can't 503 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: feel my legs. 504 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 505 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: And so we brought the the group in and he 506 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: had had after I think Monday when we had come back, 507 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: he had had this narrowing in his spine, and they 508 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: gave him the opportunity. Hey, you know, don't you know 509 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: you're risking a lot if you continue to play. And 510 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: he retired. And he was a big part. He was 511 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: just a rambling rollback that could run the ball. I 512 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: mean he could run like Sherman could run. 513 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Sam, we see it seemingly over and over again. 514 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: You work so hard to get to this position, to 515 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 3: make it into the National Football League, and something as 516 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: innocuous as a handoff inside and your career is over, 517 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: literally right then, it is. And you've been around now 518 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: with the NFLPA and for all the years since you've 519 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: been retired, so you've seen this and it is such 520 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: a blow to these young men as it was to 521 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: David back then. And it just happens. That's the nature 522 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 3: of this game now. 523 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: And I think the agents today and the guys's advisors 524 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: are doing an amazing job of preparing his young kids 525 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: out there to think about post football and post career 526 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: because it can in so fast. You know, I'm a 527 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: player I'm a trustee for the player benefit, and I 528 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: see a lot of guys they played two or three 529 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: years or four years, who've planned on playing a lot longer, 530 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: but unfortunately entry into their careers and some of the 531 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: guys just weren't prepared for it day they are. And 532 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: that was one of the hardest thing for us, because 533 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: we saw you saw you saw about David Simms. We 534 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: talked about Cornell Western, We think about Smith. You know 535 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: that literally careers were they were so talented, but their 536 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: careers in it so fast and just. 537 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 4: A flash, I mean, just really a flash. 538 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate because that's the nature of the game 539 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: we play. We see it in soccer, I saw it 540 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: in basketball. You think about the Lynn Bias days and 541 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: all those guys. You know, it's just our bodies and 542 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: we just don't know how well they can handle such stress, 543 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, day in and day out, and some can 544 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: and some can't. 545 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: Sam And think about our weight room, Uh, when we 546 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: first started, about as big as a studio really and 547 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: maybe a little bigger. But I went down there before 548 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: I went I went down to our weight room or 549 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 2: the seat. I still call it my team, the weight 550 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: room downstairs that Ivan looks over. He's our strength coacher, 551 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: and oh my gosh, if you can't become strong and 552 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: fit and be ready to you know, with your with 553 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: your bod uh down there. Yeah, you don't deserve to 554 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: be around the NFL or anything like that. They've got 555 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 2: every modality that you can. Uh, we would be we 556 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: Oh man, if we could come in and work out 557 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: for free, we'd walk around and they'd be saying, rage, 558 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: look at those you could still play. 559 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 3: Look at those seventy year olds. I just you know, now, 560 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: it's trying to just lift my medicine bottle, is what 561 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to do. Here's another thing 562 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: that's different. And I've I told some of the young 563 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 3: guys we were talking, we've talked on some of these trips, 564 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: and they you know, the nutrition they have. They have 565 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: a dining room here that's opened like almost twenty four 566 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 3: to seven, feeding coaches, feeding players. They're all, you know, 567 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: very focused on their diet. I said, you know what 568 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: our diet was. I said, every day a rookie had 569 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: to bring donuts. I said, we ate donuts every morning 570 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: for six years, because that's what the rookies had to 571 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: bring and sam the tradition of that. Listen, you know 572 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 3: you were rookie. I was a rookie. Once there was 573 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: somebody else a rookie bringing donuts, I was all for it. 574 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 4: Yeah. It was to come out of your pocket. And 575 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 4: there was no flush fun, no take the money. It 576 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: came directly out of your pocket. For sure. 577 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: When I forget forget lunches, we send someone out to 578 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: go to the delicate assessment to get the sandwiches between 579 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: our meetings and going out on the field. 580 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 4: That's that was our food, was sending someone to get 581 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 4: the sandwiches. 582 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: Day after my Seahawk time, I went to the Green 583 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: Bay Packers and we had to play half of our 584 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 2: games in Milwaukee, and we had to bust from green 585 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: Bay to Milwaukee. And before you got on the bus, 586 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: you had to tell the equipment guys whether you wanted 587 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 2: a big Mac and a filet o fish sandwich or 588 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: two filet o fish sandwiches. 589 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: Or two big macs. 590 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: That's what we ate on our lunch going to Milwaukee 591 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: to play an NFL game. And that the reason that 592 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: we're laughing about. I mean, what's so bad about a 593 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: filet o fish sandwich or two of them. But what 594 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: was interesting is that's not what guy. 595 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: You know. 596 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: Nutrition now is so much smarter and preparing guys. You're 597 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: exactly right, the nutrition is, and then sleep, and then 598 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: monitoring your your the power that you're putting, the extension 599 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: you're putting out. These guys have to walk around these 600 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: days with a GPS embedded on their shoulder pads at practice, 601 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: so we know how long, how far you've run, and 602 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: how hard you went during a play. It's amazing. 603 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: Back in the old days, I remember Jack could tell 604 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 3: how far we'd run and how tough we ran because 605 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 3: we'd start falling down because you're, you know, from fatigue. 606 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: You just ran so you couldn't run anymore. So things 607 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 3: have changed a whole lot. Sam, you mentioned it as 608 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: we're you know, we're kind of running out of time here, 609 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: but you mentioned it. You've been working with the Player Fund. 610 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about what that is, what 611 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: you do and how the players are being helped by it, 612 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: the former players are being helped by it. 613 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's a really big steroristy. 614 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: But it started back I think with really the eighty 615 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: probably the eighty seven striket eighty two strike with a 616 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: little bit of but eighty seven strike where the players 617 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: are about gain control of some of their benefits, and 618 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean their pension benefits, their insurance benefits, the disability benefits, 619 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: those things. 620 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: And what is migrated tail is what we are today. 621 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: And one of the trustees. There's three player trustees and 622 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: three owner trustees, and we manage the players for one 623 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: K plans. They're defined benefit plans, a Burt Bell plan 624 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: which you guys are part of. We manage the disability 625 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: programs of the disability programs, we managed annuity programs, and 626 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: we manage all their investments. And this is all done 627 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: because of collective bargaining and no cost of the players. 628 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: And what we see, what we try to maintain is 629 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: making sure the players that need help can get help. 630 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of ways that happens, and whether 631 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: it be if a player has come up on some 632 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: really hard time because of injuries or disabilities or family 633 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: and they can reach out and there's ways to help. 634 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 4: And so I think there's a player who's. 635 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: My agent guy named Webster, who was a center for 636 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. 637 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 4: And he died. 638 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: In his car on the streets of road Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 639 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: And it was a travesty beyond a travesty because he 640 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of money built up in his different 641 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: accounts for him, like we do in our defined benefit 642 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: program or disability program, we had money available to us there. 643 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: His money was there, but he didn't know how to 644 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: access it. And when that happened, Roger Goodall came in, 645 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: who's coming in at the time as a new head 646 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: of the league, and he said, I don't ever want 647 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: that to happen again. 648 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 4: And so there's been a whole bunch of emphasis placed. 649 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: On player programs to help players post that time, and 650 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: it's really helped out. 651 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 4: A great deal. 652 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: And I see a lot of players out there and 653 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: their help. And there are guys unfortunately that have things 654 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: that are not related to football, because you know, we've 655 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: got als out there. We got guys with parks, and 656 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: guys of dementia and all of sudder. We get guys 657 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: with a number of other things because they're human. We're human, 658 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: we're part of the normal population. But those are things 659 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: that are not defined in any kind of a benefit 660 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: that as a result of playing NFL football. I mean, 661 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: maybe dementia is, but for the most part, these other 662 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: ones are not. But the players and the owners have 663 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: come to this understanding is that you're a former player, 664 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: you know your legends. Suppression goes, once a legend, always 665 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: a legend, and they want to make sure that all 666 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: players have a benefit, the benefit to be able to 667 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: live a life post football that's worthy of them. And 668 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: so we really work greatly with the owners of leading KD. 669 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: Blackburn owns the Cincinnati Bengals, and a guy named Spanish 670 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: John at owns with the San Diego Charters, and the 671 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: people in the jest. 672 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 4: We work close it. 673 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: And they really want to find a way to make 674 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: sure that all players have played the game have a 675 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: live a life that's really up to their standards. 676 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 4: And I think that's the best part of what we do. 677 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: I just say thank you, Sam for being available and 678 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: also caring, because you have to care about what you're doing, 679 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: and you have to care about others. You know, your 680 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: other oriented, uh with with what you do in those circumstances. 681 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: So uh, I know I've seen players get help and 682 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: you know there and this is going to be perpetuated 683 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: throughout throughout the NFL and throughout the years. 684 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 4: Uh. 685 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: And I tipped my hat to you, and you're in 686 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: the group that's managing all of that and cares about 687 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: it because you have to care. You can't just work 688 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: the numbers. You got to care as well. So a 689 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: way to go. I'm glad. 690 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 4: One of the. 691 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: Guys, one of the guys that taught us about Karen's 692 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: a guy named Richard Harris. 693 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 4: You remember that name, Yeah, Richard. Richard died, but rich 694 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: is one of the guys. 695 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: We used to call him Deaddy Richard Poppy rich And 696 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: he would always come up and ask to ask if 697 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: it was Handle's shoulder and really looking me out and said, 698 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: how you doing? 699 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 4: Really, how are you doing? Tell me what do you need? 700 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 4: What can you do? 701 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: He was always that guy that reached out and looked 702 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: at other players. I think Ken Hutcherson was any that 703 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: did the same exact things, talking to guys and reaching 704 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: out well beyond just how well did you play on Sunday? 705 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 4: But how are you doing? Really? 706 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: How are you doing? Talk to me, tell me how 707 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: you're doing it? And here they really care and that 708 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: that kind of stuck with me because I was able 709 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: to help guys when I played. They kind of carried over, 710 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, with things and so they kind of showed 711 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: you that you can care a lot about somebody in 712 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: the situation and they're not having your brothers and sisters, 713 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: but they become your brothers and sisters because of what 714 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: you do and you share the same goal of being 715 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: successful in this world. And it helped me a lot 716 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: to really want to get involved in helping other players. 717 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeh, how did you ever think about coaching besides the 718 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: help that you've given for other players when you were 719 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: done playing, did you ever try to get on a staff? 720 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: And actually, do you know the influence you had from 721 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: other coaches and other players? Uh in your receiver skill? 722 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: Did you ever think about coaching as a career. 723 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 4: I never did. 724 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: I think in the end, I've been my entire life 725 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: had been spent my development life in the locker room 726 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: because having been a military brat, we moved all over 727 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: the country, you know, and I was in middle school, 728 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: we moved twice. In high school, we moved twice, so 729 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: it was always moving. So when it came time, I 730 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: moved from the Vikings to the Seahawks, back to the 731 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: Vikings and stayed in Seattle. So it's a constant move. 732 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: So by the time I was done. As Kye will 733 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: tell you, my wife will tell you. I didn't want 734 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I really didn't want to get into 735 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: this transition. And a very close friend of mine got 736 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: in try to talk to me again to become the coach, 737 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: and I said, I want nothing to do with I 738 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: really don't. I really want to find a situation where 739 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: I don't have to move and change. I want to 740 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: put down roots and I want to grow my family 741 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: and grow my community in the place that I want 742 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: to be. 743 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 4: And see, I was really it. So I really never 744 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 4: got into. 745 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: It because I knew that coaching evolves movement and constant movement, 746 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: constant change. 747 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 4: And I just didn't want to I don't want to 748 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 4: go do that anymore. I really didn't. 749 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've got them across from a guy who 750 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 3: did that, went off and coached all over the place, 751 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: and now he's back here in the Great Northwest with 752 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 3: all of us, and we're still talking Seahawks football. One 753 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: final quick story here, and that is and Sam again, 754 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 3: great football player, Amazing work that you do to help 755 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: former players today. What a lot of people probably didn't 756 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 3: know is that you were a very successful businessman here 757 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: in the Northwest owned your own businesses, and so you've 758 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 3: done that as well. When people ask me, what are 759 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 3: the things that you remember most about your playing days 760 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: aside from the collapse lung, and I tell him, you 761 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 3: know what, those guys who were closest to me then, 762 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 3: and this is almost fifty years ago. It's the Gym's, 763 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 3: it's the Sam's, it's Steve, it's Sam Adkins. It's the 764 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: guys we played with and their spouses. I mean, Sharon 765 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: and I can call on Jim and Joy or Kathy, 766 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: You and and Kathy and Sam and Steven Terry. I mean, 767 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 3: it's like you've never missed a beat. And those are 768 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,959 Speaker 3: the things that are to me when I walk away 769 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 3: from this game finally, and they're probably gonna have to 770 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 3: drag me, kicking and screaming out of the booth. But 771 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: is just the fact that you know the absolute respect 772 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: that not only I have for you guys, but that 773 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 3: we have for our brides and for our families. And 774 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: we've been at this now, all of us, almost fifty years, 775 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: and it's just a great I think it says something 776 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 3: about the character of the people that were here early on. 777 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: And I'm just I'm just honored to be a little 778 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 3: part of all of that. And Sam, I don't know 779 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 3: if you have any final words, but I just want 780 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 3: to say thank you on behalf of all of us 781 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: who are not only you've been your teammate and your friend, 782 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 3: but who watched you play and who admired you from 783 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 3: Afar all those years. So thanks brother. 784 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I appreciate it. And Steve, like you said, 785 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 4: I mean not just as about our spouses. 786 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: We go back a very long way, so the respect 787 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: is there and I can say I pitch you guys. 788 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: I can remember you guys without having the name on 789 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: the helmets. How long did we live the first couple 790 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: of years. 791 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 3: That's right, that's exactly right. 792 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't so I don't the name on the helmets 793 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: anymore to know my friends, and it's great, and I 794 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: was able to talk with you guys. 795 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 4: It's always great to see you guys as I do. 796 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 4: And Jimmy, one of these you're going to sleep in 797 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 4: and come play with me in. 798 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: Eight so I just don't play at I stayed. 799 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 3: All right, Well we'll get out there. 800 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 2: We'll get out there together, Sam, and I would imagine 801 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: that Kathy, Sam's wife, had no idea that Sam was 802 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 2: going to be involved with football as long as he has, 803 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 2: and now the NFL PA and then the other businesses. 804 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 2: Maybe she would have said, yeah, he's a businessman, but 805 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: to be involved with football, I know, joy goes, Oh 806 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 2: my gosh. You know, we've been married forty five years 807 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 2: and she had no idea and I probably had no 808 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: idea either that we were going to be involved with 809 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: football that long. But they haven't just come along for 810 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: the ride. They have been very important to our families 811 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: and to people surrounding our you know, anybody that comes 812 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 2: into our family's life, you know, Elsie Joyce far more 813 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 2: you know, important, and really she's the backbone of what 814 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: we're doing well. 815 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 3: And as Yoda told me many years ago, I'll kick 816 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: my coverage when I married Sharon, so I have lived 817 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 3: by that all along. Sam, It's always great, my friend. 818 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 3: We will see you along the way, and I thank 819 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 3: all of you for listening today' z it's great to 820 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: get back with you, and we'll have another one of 821 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 3: these here in a few weeks, and again thanks everybody. 822 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 3: Go Hawks. We'll talk to you next time.