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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now, what is up everyone around the globe? Hi,

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Speaker 1: you're coming at you live from New York City roughly

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Speaker 1: three weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I have a new concept.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's called screen time eyes, and it's when someone you

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Speaker 3: can see in someone's eyes that their screen time.

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Speaker 2: Is really high.

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Speaker 1: Do I have screen time?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, obviously no. I would never keep you having screen timeline.

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Speaker 1: It would be okay if you did. Accuse me.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: But I worry sometimes that I especially when I see

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Speaker 3: photos of myself, I'm like, oh, no, do I have it?

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Speaker 3: Because I notice it's so clearly in others and it's like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say who. But there's a comedian

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Speaker 3: that has recently been in the news little and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: she has screen time eyes. She Okay, we'll bleep it.

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Speaker 3: But do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I do know what you mean.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So, and I'm seeing it more and more, and I'm

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Speaker 3: wondering if you are seeing what I'm talking about. To

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Speaker 3: describe the look, well, it's like a sort of permanently

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Speaker 3: kind of almost permanently surprised and also permanently anxious about finding.

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Speaker 2: Out the truth.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's a sibling of conspiracy eyes like it's

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Speaker 3: a bit it's a bit weapons. It's a it's a

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Speaker 3: bit weapons. There's a bit of a It's not that

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Speaker 3: someone is dead behind the eyes. It's that there's a

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Speaker 3: sort of dimness. It's like they have put down the

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Speaker 3: blinds halfway.

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Speaker 1: Okay, try to do it to camera?

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Speaker 2: Well like it? No, but you have to.

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Speaker 3: I would have to be like a I'd have to

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Speaker 3: be an Amy Adams level actor to be able to

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Speaker 3: perform that. It comes from within, It doesn't come from

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Speaker 3: with that. It's not like saying, do a flip.

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Speaker 1: I think our guests would like to try to perform it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Hulo, please talk with Julio Torres. I just

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's more like it's it's like a

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Speaker 3: little it's more surprised. It's more like, oh like or

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Speaker 3: like it's a little more paralyzed. Maybe one is like

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Speaker 3: one is twitching even a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: What I mean is like it's like the effects of

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Speaker 3: a blue light being constantly projected into your eyes. And

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Speaker 3: so it also is a literal physical thing that's happening.

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Speaker 3: It's not just theoretical like oh no, I've read too

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Speaker 3: many true crime books, and now I like look paranoid,

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Speaker 3: but it's a mix of paranoia.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Julio, have you ever thought of wearing context? I

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Speaker 2: actually could like not wear glasses and it's fine. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you give it a try. You think I look better?

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Speaker 1: This is so tyro, so give it, give.

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Speaker 2: It a try. Do I just do I look like beautiful? No?

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Speaker 2: You you you you are beautiful, but you you unlocked.

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Speaker 2: You unlocked a part of your beauty. Right now, You're like,

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Speaker 2: I've never in a way that I was like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Was it because I did screen time eyes?

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Speaker 2: No, it was as soon as you I wasn't listening

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Speaker 2: to the rest of it, as soon as you took

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Speaker 2: get glasses off. And it's like, you also have really

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Speaker 2: good skin.

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Speaker 1: Well, Julio, get rid of the get rid of the glasses. God,

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Speaker 1: there's a beautiful girl under there. Well I do you

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Speaker 1: would just let her out? What are you scared of?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's what I'm scared of, genuinely walking around New

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Speaker 3: York not being able to see like a block away,

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Speaker 3: like I actually care. If you were to take away

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Speaker 3: my glasses, I could survive. I mean I would have

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Speaker 3: to be squinting a little bit.

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Speaker 2: If I'm saying contacts you.

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Speaker 3: Can meet, don't you think it's crazy all the process

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Speaker 3: of getting contacts just for lvanity? Yeah, but no your answers, No,

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Speaker 3: you've done way other well, had many surgeries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 3: Do you think maybe like nicer glasses would help, because

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Speaker 3: I know these need to be retired and I am

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Speaker 3: ready for a more contemporary kind of Why do K feel?

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Speaker 2: But you don't think that's the issue? No? Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I think I think the vulnerability and the accessibility that

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Speaker 2: comes without having I do you.

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Speaker 3: Think potentially I'm I'm I hide behind the identity of glasses.

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Speaker 2: You do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you do? And so what do you think

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Speaker 3: it could unlock in me if I stopped?

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, it's like taking away the

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Speaker 2: safety blanket. Yeah. How would you feel about having your

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Speaker 2: natural hair color I have?

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Speaker 1: Are you guys fighting?

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Speaker 2: And yeah? I think I think Okay, I I think

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Speaker 2: that this is very interesting that a compliment was turned

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Speaker 2: into an insulin in your in.

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Speaker 3: Your sorry, I know that I I jokingly did the

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Speaker 3: hair common as as and I think I'm actually a

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Speaker 3: productive line of.

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Speaker 2: No, but I think that's your glasses speaking.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's defensiveness.

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Speaker 3: You're saying, my glasses, it's like I'm trying to read

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Speaker 3: you as a text yeah, rather than just like accept

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Speaker 3: you for who you are, whereas you're not doing that

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Speaker 3: to me. You're in fact being like.

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Speaker 2: I'm really I'm just trying to access you yeah yeah, wow,

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Speaker 2: And your glasses are saying no, I read you, you

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Speaker 2: don't read me. No.

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Speaker 3: And but you don't think that you like the that

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Speaker 3: your dyed hair makes you dyed hair person in the

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Speaker 3: same way that glasses makes me glasses person.

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Speaker 2: It does, it does. However, I have seen myself without

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Speaker 2: dyed hair, whereas I've never seen myself with that glass. No,

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Speaker 2: but I I don't. I think you have more to

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Speaker 2: gain than I do you have. I think you have

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Speaker 2: a lot more to gain. Okay, wow, wow. And I

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Speaker 2: think the things that I would be able to access

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Speaker 2: with dyed hair with undyed hair, with undyed hair are

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Speaker 2: not seductive to me. But the things that you could

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Speaker 2: access without glasses, I think I think could be could

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Speaker 2: be very interesting for you. But do you Okay?

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Speaker 3: So maybe it's that like glasses upfa scate, whereas dyed

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Speaker 3: hair reveals like you are closer to your authentic self

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Speaker 3: with the dyed hair.

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Speaker 2: Wherever hair is.

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Speaker 1: Like turning the volume up, yes, turn the volume down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Glasses are also you know what they do. They add

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Speaker 3: quotes around everything you're saying. Glasses are quotes of the face.

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Speaker 3: So it's like everything I'm saying is sort of a

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Speaker 3: commentary of what if I said that it's.

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Speaker 1: Zoomed out you have distance from your words, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Whereas in fact, you know, there's a stereotype of

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Speaker 3: like the blue hair hair liberal.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, we actually need to talk

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Speaker 1: about the stereotype of the blue hair liberal.

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Speaker 2: What is the blue hair It's like it's a you know,

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Speaker 2: the right wing's a caricature of It's the ification exactly.

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Speaker 1: And it's like the right wing go to is like

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Speaker 1: blue haired liberal. There's an evil blue haired liberal out there.

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Speaker 3: So it's like when you, let's say, we utter the

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Speaker 3: same sentence and it's like a really smart sentence.

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Speaker 1: God, I would love to hear that sentence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sentence no one has thought of. Again,

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Speaker 3: but by the end of.

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Speaker 2: This episode we will have fun of it.

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Speaker 3: Like is it more transcendent coming out of Julio's mouth,

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Speaker 3: Because it's like is it more transcendent coming out of

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Speaker 2: A glass's head. It depends on the audience. Sure, well,

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Speaker 2: of course, I mean you have any I don't have

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Speaker 2: any piercings, right, I just have one. Oh, you have one?

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Speaker 2: It should be bigger.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I actually have thought that, I that I want

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Speaker 3: a bigger one, and I actually want to want you.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have one. But it's of course a very

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Speaker 2: true too. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think that you

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be scared of going there.

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Speaker 3: It's the idea of scared is interesting to me because

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Speaker 3: it's not like I have a desire of having more

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Speaker 3: piercings than I'm stopping myself.

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Speaker 2: I just have never like wanted more, have you not?

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Speaker 1: Really? I got my one, yeah, within the year, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's changed everything, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: I'll be wobbly. But the one is it's changed a

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Speaker 1: lot for me. That being said, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: Well that's it's not right. You don't know how to

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Speaker 2: take it out. I don't know how, Okay, and we

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Speaker 2: check can help, will take care of.

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Speaker 1: Mich will take care of it. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: how to take it out.

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Speaker 2: Is it infected?

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Speaker 1: Everyone's while it goes, It goes in and out.

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Speaker 2: Of course it's a little infacted.

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Speaker 1: It goes in and out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a live thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like sometimes it's infected something it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's aing.

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Speaker 1: Do you expect like every day synthesizes like I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Like there's variables in life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, not to keep going on our physical But

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Speaker 3: you are also doing something that fascinates me because it

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Speaker 3: is talk about being scared. This is something I'm scared of.

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Speaker 2: Here's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're wearing brown pants with a green shirt. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and you look amazing. You look really good. One of

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Speaker 3: my biggest fears is looking like a tree when I

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Speaker 3: wear brown pants, looking like a tree, looking like every

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Speaker 3: will realize, oh, no, I'm doing brown in the bottom green.

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Speaker 1: I've heard you critique people for looking like a tree before,

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Speaker 1: But don't you think wholy is pulling it off? No,

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Speaker 1: I thing looks great, but I've just never heard of it.

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Speaker 1: It's like a negative.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Yeah, what is at the heart of I

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Speaker 2: don't know, looking like a tree?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear this in like second grade and it

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Speaker 2: So you don't think it.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard like I don't want to look like

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Speaker 1: a tree except for you.

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Speaker 3: I here's what I think it's like. I think there's something.

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Speaker 3: Surely at some point someone I a Halloween costumer, a

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Speaker 3: theater costumer, something where they were a tree, And that's.

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Speaker 2: I think that you should also go under hypnosis and

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Speaker 2: unlock what what the trauma is with looking like a tree. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know.

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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right because I do think it

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Speaker 3: is something, because I do.

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Speaker 2: Like I whenever you're wearing colors that are too evocative

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Speaker 2: of something that you don't want to evoke, then I

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Speaker 2: completely get it. Like people don't like wearing blue and

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Speaker 2: purple because it's like a Barney or like I have

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Speaker 2: like switched things around when I'm wearing like red and

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Speaker 2: blue because it's like I don't want to be like

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Speaker 2: evoke Superman. Oh.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking like fourth of July or right, or.

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Speaker 2: Like a yellow and red Ronald McDonald.

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Speaker 3: Or like orange and black Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well I'm glad you put that here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's because it's probably someone has to Was it a

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Speaker 3: You know, we have this in our society. We don't

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say even the mall is losing money

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Speaker 2: The mausoleum is in the mind.

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Speaker 1: The tent was temporary, but it's always going to be

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Speaker 2: Was and I don't know what the pan was. Brown,

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Speaker 3: Peter Pant's pretty faggy.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's Peter Pan. It's Peter You're Disney bounding

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Speaker 1: And you know that's complicated legally speaking, because Peter Pan

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Speaker 3: Like if you look at an old book, an old

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I know I think that the I

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Speaker 1: How has it been to be a theater person as

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Speaker 2: I don't know why the word theater is even being used.

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Speaker 1: Why is it theater as opposed to like, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to get a license?

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Speaker 2: Julio, I'll take it away. I don't, I don't, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't see that license. I I am

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Speaker 3: Well, but this is a good question, though, does it

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Speaker 2: If there's a review in the Times, it'll be in

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Speaker 3: Well, because it's enough Broadway show, so like a theater

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Speaker 2: Is it as simple as like they don't know where

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Speaker 2: It's just performing comedy.

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Speaker 1: But there is a comedy critic.

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Speaker 2: There is a comedy critic that's true for the Times. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: really yeah, huh hello comedy critic. If you can hear

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Speaker 2: I didn't know there was a comedy critic for The Times.

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Speaker 2: Well okay, wait, okay, okay, comedy critic. And what does

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I feel like he would be the one to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it will definitely be the theater. Really,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's complicated because there's there's both a like a

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Speaker 3: theater critic, and there's also other people who are in

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Speaker 3: rotation that review things.

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Speaker 1: Who do you want to review it?

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Whomever? Whomever would get a check for doing that,

447
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Speaker 2: and you just want them to get paid. Yeah, I

448
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Speaker 2: just I just want to say.

449
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Speaker 3: You're doing this show because you want more critics.

450
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Speaker 2: To get paid.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, critics aren't getting paid because there aren't shows, and.

452
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Speaker 2: You're You're welcome feeding all of you.

453
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Speaker 1: I I think it's fun watching your show.

454
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Speaker 2: Do you do you? Yeah? Does are there podcast reviews?

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Speaker 1: There are articles that cover podcasts, but there's not like

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Speaker 1: podcast reviews.

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Speaker 2: Vulture does a lot till there be will be podcast reviews.

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Speaker 2: I wonder there.

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Speaker 3: Are podcasts like Vulture will do like a sort of

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Speaker 3: podcast criticism, for example. And then The New Yorker for

461
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Speaker 3: a while had a podcast column where they would like

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Speaker 3: recommend a podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's true, but a podcast has never gotten like.

464
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Speaker 2: A pan, right, it's it's not.

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Speaker 3: The infrastructure isn't there for it to be like okay,

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Speaker 3: this season, What podcasts are are being reviewed and which

467
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Speaker 3: podcasts are getting critics pick, but it.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like the resources are there, and maybe that's because

469
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Speaker 2: podcasts are like one of the few things that people

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Speaker 2: are actually consuming. So I feel like.

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Speaker 3: I guess, I guess what it comes down to is,

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Speaker 3: like what is a review. There's like writing and criticism

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Speaker 3: about podcasts, but like this idea of like the issue

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Speaker 3: of the paper also has a theater section that has

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Speaker 3: a review of a work. That structure isn't there for podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's a you know, it's it's criticism

477
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Speaker 1: is dying in all forms.

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Speaker 3: I say, it's dead, as dead as that man under

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Speaker 3: the tent and the lax.

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Speaker 1: I think theater is one of the few places where

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Speaker 1: like maybe criticism.

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Speaker 2: Still exists because it's an older crowd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because it's like there, it's just like an

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Speaker 1: older infrastructure and it can't be like messed with.

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Speaker 3: And it's more siloed like it literally it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is such a smaller and by the way, I'm

487
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Speaker 3: just now realizing the reason is because it is so

488
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Speaker 3: geography dependent. Like literally theater, I mean, you have to

489
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Speaker 3: be in, you have to be right, and like Broadway

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Speaker 3: is defined as broadway as you have to be in

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Speaker 3: one of like how many theaters. It's like it's a

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Speaker 3: limited amount of theory, yes, right, and that are owned

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Speaker 3: by like two or three different corporations. So in order

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Speaker 3: to be a Broadway show, you have to be generating

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Speaker 3: capital for one of these three, right. But I mean

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Speaker 3: there can be a theater critic, like in Philadelphia that

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Speaker 3: that reviews plays that are in Philadelphia in any other city,

498
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Speaker 3: but it's like it is always your graphic.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you mean, but yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, Broadway is its own. It is like like

501
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Speaker 2: the critic that becomes a portal to the to the

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Speaker 2: to the performance that you wouldn't otherwise have because you

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Speaker 2: George reading a review from a play in Philadelphia, it's like, well,

504
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Speaker 2: you probably don't have a lot of friends who have

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Speaker 2: seen it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also the like the reason criticism is dying is

507
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Speaker 3: because anyone can like make a TikTok about a movie, right,

508
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Speaker 3: But in theater that's not as true because your review

509
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Speaker 3: doesn't have to reach that many people. Like it's not

510
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Speaker 3: like you're you're not going for scale.

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Speaker 2: No, your review just has to reach those like twenty people, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: So you're not being threatened by TikTokers. If you're a theater.

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Speaker 1: Critic, yeah, like you are. If you're a lot of

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Speaker 1: del Ray critic, yeah no.

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Speaker 3: If you're a lot of the Ray critic, you might

516
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Speaker 3: as well. Good luck started life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's by a opinion opinion. I okay, wait,

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Speaker 2: you know what what piece of media I just came

519
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Speaker 2: across I just rediscovered? Do you remember it was maybe

520
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Speaker 2: God at this point, maybe like ten years ago, the

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Speaker 2: shore man outside of NYU holding the trash bag, and

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Speaker 2: he is screaming at this trumpet player and he's going,

523
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Speaker 2: you're not an artist. You're not an artist. You're not.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with it? With his like viral video,

525
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Speaker 2: It was like a viral video before things actually went viral,

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Speaker 2: And it's.

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Speaker 3: A it's a man holding a trash bag.

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Speaker 2: Holding a trash bag, but he clearly was like in

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Speaker 2: the middle of an errand or something. Oh, he has

530
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Speaker 2: like a button down like slick trousers.

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Speaker 3: And he's being bothered by the trumpet players.

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Speaker 2: He's being bothered by the trumpet player, and he's going like,

533
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Speaker 2: you are not an artist, you are not, and I are.

534
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Speaker 2: And my right to say that I earned my right

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Speaker 2: to say that you are disturbing the piece at one

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Speaker 2: of the most at one of the most sacred institutions

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Speaker 2: in North America. And yu uh and and like then

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Speaker 2: like lists frantically lists all of his degrees as as

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Speaker 2: as evidence to support that he has earned the right

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Speaker 2: to say who is an artist and who isn't an artist?

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Speaker 3: Or his degrees in art history.

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Speaker 2: His degrees are in music. I believe, Oh okay, well

543
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Speaker 2: even better, uh at me a bit he can speak

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Speaker 2: and and he's saying, you're not an artist, You're not

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Speaker 2: an artist. Anybody know who you are? Maybe everybody else

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Speaker 2: was who joined the piece and quiet, This is one

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Speaker 2: of the most important places in all.

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Speaker 1: Of North America. Who are you?

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Speaker 2: Who are you? You measure what? Perceptuous? No talent? You know?

550
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Speaker 1: Artist?

551
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Speaker 2: An artist respects the silence. It certains the fectation of creativity.

552
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Speaker 2: I obviously don't have the talent. You're have enough respect

553
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Speaker 2: for other people or wanted us who express yourself in music?

554
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Speaker 2: Were any of the form of creativity? And I'm an

555
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Speaker 2: NYU Film School graduate, sucker and the School of Visual

556
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Speaker 2: Arts in the Academy of our University San Francisco. You suck.

557
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Speaker 2: You are no talent If you really had talento practice

558
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Speaker 2: and it gets yourself a gig instead of ruining the

559
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Speaker 2: end of the day for everybody down here. You Discrice,

560
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Speaker 2: you're everything that's gone wrong in this world. You are

561
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Speaker 2: ste consumed, no talent, mediocre piece of shit. And I've

562
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Speaker 2: learned my right to say it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I had two hundred thousand people who don't grip in.

564
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Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy five.

565
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Speaker 1: I want Bob Dealing up on stage.

566
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Speaker 2: Who the fuck are you now? I've been fascinated by

567
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: this clip which has resurfaced. The trumpet player. If you

568
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Speaker 2: listen to the trumpet player is objectively bad, like it's

569
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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound good. However, he's actually doing the thing

570
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Speaker 2: that he wants to do. Meanwhile, this man is just

571
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Speaker 2: hoarding sounds like it like his third degree and has

572
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Speaker 2: which has given him little other than resentment and this

573
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Speaker 2: imagined air of importance that gets to to decide who's

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Speaker 2: an artist and who isn't an artist. So like seeing

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Speaker 2: the trumpet player actually perform the thing that he wanted

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Speaker 2: to do just feet away from where he is getting

577
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Speaker 2: yet another loan for another degree was a glitch in

578
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Speaker 2: his matrix. And I and I just like I'm fascinated

579
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Speaker 2: by them.

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Speaker 1: It is complicated. I think we both love critique. I

581
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Speaker 1: have I have said you do. I love a good

582
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Speaker 1: critique like you read. You read critics. I love to

583
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Speaker 1: read criticism of me too, And but it's like if

584
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Speaker 1: you read, if you read too much criticism, you like

585
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Speaker 1: think critically in a way where you're like not thinking creatively.

586
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Speaker 1: Like it's like a slippery slope. And I'm like, I like,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, wait, I don't want to just be

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Speaker 1: commenting on I want to be the original thing. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Well, And then of course what complicates that is the

590
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Speaker 3: idea that criticism itself is an art form. And like

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Speaker 3: if someone is like a famous critic who has found

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Speaker 3: new ways of like concept or you know, if categorizing

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00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: or conceptualizing existing artworks, then that also adds value in

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Speaker 3: the same way that a work of art will add value.

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Speaker 3: What I'm trying to figure out is if I think

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Speaker 3: there's any value to someone yelling you are not an artist.

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Speaker 2: Like, is there an could I could? Well?

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Speaker 3: Could one make the argument that him yelling that is

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Speaker 3: in fact him using his degree, is in fact him

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Speaker 3: doing arts criticism in like a Gonzo way, you know,

601
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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, the trumpet player had a contribution. Yeah, the trumpet

603
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Speaker 2: layer had a contribution, regardless of what, whether we like

604
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Speaker 2: it or not contributing. And this other man probably has

605
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Speaker 2: been trained to believe that you need to earn your

606
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Speaker 2: right to contribute, definitely, and that made him glitch. Now

607
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Speaker 2: the trumpet player in the video, the trumpet player has

608
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Speaker 2: a hold of himself. He is there to play trumpet

609
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Speaker 2: and he is doing it. The critic, if we're calling

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Speaker 2: him that, I don't he probably isn't a critic. It's

611
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Speaker 2: probably also a musician glitched.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I guess, okay, this is the you're saying his

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Speaker 3: degrees were in music, like the practice of music. He's

614
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Speaker 3: not like the music college.

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Speaker 2: What I'm inferring from the rant is that I don't

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Speaker 2: know he probably all maybe all of the above. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess I would like to know is extreme job.

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Speaker 2: No institution will say you've had too many degrees. Oh

619
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Speaker 2: well that's a whole other that's No institution will be

620
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: like cool it. They'll be like, send the money here.

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Speaker 3: What I would like to know is is this person's

622
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Speaker 3: dream job to be in an orchestra or to be

623
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Speaker 3: the classical music critic for The New York Times.

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Speaker 2: I think it's to be in any that's I think

625
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Speaker 2: you should watch the video.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you've interacted with I feel

627
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Speaker 1: like that's so common to like be doing something like

628
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Speaker 1: creative sort of like without the training, Like I feel

629
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Speaker 1: like stand up reads that. Like it's like the first

630
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Speaker 1: scripts I wrote were like, you know, it's not like

631
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Speaker 1: I have a degree in like screenwriting. I was just like,

632
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Speaker 1: I just have to write.

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Speaker 2: People who have gone those degrees get a little.

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Speaker 1: They get a little mad.

635
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, it's not formatted, right, Yeah, well no

636
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: one told you that you actually save it as dot.

637
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Speaker 2: It's just like, okay, cool.

638
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is something you're particularly good at.

639
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: Is like sort of being like the formalities don't matter,

640
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Like just put the thing out.

641
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Speaker 2: Just put the thing out. Yeah, I'm all about freight edges. Yeah,

642
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Speaker 2: I love a freight edge. The designer I'm sending home

643
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Speaker 2: is the one who's showing me the dress I've seen before. Wait,

644
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Speaker 2: that's a project runaway, right of course, of course, No,

645
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Speaker 2: I fully agree. I think I've like, if you're showing

646
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Speaker 2: I agree, show two dresses. One of them is exquisitely made.

647
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Speaker 2: But I've seen it before and the other one is

648
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Speaker 2: falling apart. But it's a new idea. I'll go for

649
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Speaker 2: the new idea.

650
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think your show is very right

651
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Speaker 1: edges but even like that like that idea, not even

652
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Speaker 1: like you're doing it, but you're like sort of constantly

653
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Speaker 1: pushing like this like freedom of like don't worry about

654
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Speaker 1: the rules, like we don't need so many rules in

655
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Speaker 1: a way that I think is like really good.

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Speaker 2: Honey, I missed my cues left and right. I do

657
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Speaker 2: not think that's true. I think it was like I wasn't.

658
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Speaker 2: I wasn't good behavior when you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But I'm just I think what I obviously like,

660
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Speaker 3: I guess I have I have my notes in front

661
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Speaker 3: of me.

662
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: I didn't want to prop. What, No, it's not. That's

663
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: where you're actually looking at your note. Yeah, I'm looking

664
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: up my notes. They can remember all of that. I was,

665
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: did you think it was a prop?

666
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: I could tell it was real, but I was. I was.

667
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: I was surprised that it was non linear your notes

668
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: like you would like flip forward and then flip backward.

669
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a mess, but I have them numbered

670
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: I have the number like I'm sitting because I don't

671
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: like standing. Yeah, yeah, but it's a comfort.

672
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, wait wait now I'm now to go back

673
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: to the theater thing, having a realization, which is.

674
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: It's a precentage by applying.

675
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: Honestly sort of applying the the freight edges ethosist stand

676
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: up comedy to theater.

677
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sticks out more.

678
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: Whereas if you were doing a stand up comedy show

679
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: and you had your notes, no one would judge you

680
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: for it. But if it's yeah, define this theater, some

681
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: people get so judgment But if it's defined this theater,

682
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: then it's even more like noticeable that you have a

683
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: notebook with you on stage, because you wouldn't expect to

684
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 3: go see the Seagull and have the actors have little

685
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: notepacks and be like, wait.

686
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: What what's next? I mean they should? You think they should? Yeah?

687
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: If that helps them. I even have I there's even

688
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: like things written on the set for me really yeah,

689
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 2: that I wrote with pencil. I have a question for you.

690
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it does it change night by night? Or

691
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: is the show exactly the same?

692
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: Not as not not significantly, but the wording changes and

693
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: the and sometimes I'll be like that, not that tonight,

694
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: you'll just skip something. Oh really nothing major, but nothing

695
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: that's like light dependent, sure for sure, or sound dependent.

696
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: I was it's a constant working and sorry, it's a concept.

697
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: It's a constant work in progress, which I think is

698
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: maybe because the infrastructure theater is such that, like the

699
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: lights have to be set, the sound has to be set,

700
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So there's really there's

701
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: only so much wiggle room, right, It's like actors can

702
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: do things that are slightly different in order to find something.

703
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: But I I I don't have a deadline for this

704
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: in any way. And yes they're ac cues and things

705
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: like that, but I don't they're not as rigid you're

706
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: saying you don't have a deadline for it to be perfected,

707
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: like this is yeah, this is this thing about quote

708
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: unquote opening night. I'm like, Okay, I don't know. I'll

709
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: keep experimenting.

710
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when are the Bibo? So Bibo is pre recorded,

711
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: the voices, the voice of Joe Rommel shout out.

712
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: And Bibo is who I know. But I'm saying for

713
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: the for the audience, that's part of the show, voiced

714
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: by Joe Roumrel.

715
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: Bibo is my friend who's a robot? Yes?

716
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: Are the movements is pre set? Or does someone is

717
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: someone like.

718
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: Biebele moves live?

719
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: He moves live?

720
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, that was great. Bibo reacts, So is there

721
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 2: a puppeteer behind him? Biebo's just just.

722
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: Bibo's pronounce him.

723
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yeah, no, he's just uh what was the question?

724
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: Is there a puppeteer behind people? No, there's Biebel's shadow

725
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 2: is behind Biebo? Oh of course, I guess that makes

726
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: sense with the theater lighting and all. Yeah, what with

727
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 2: the theater lighting and whatnot? Behind Biebo? There is only

728
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: his shadow? Is that the march? Yes printed behind Bibo?

729
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: There is only It would be amazing if that was

730
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: the merch, because there's such self evident things you can

731
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: do with merch because of the colors, and because like

732
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: you're like drawing, choose of all your drawing, there's all

733
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: these like sort of iconic images that people remember from

734
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: the show. So to choose just a shirt that says

735
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: behind a line that's not in the show with Wait,

736
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: you should?

737
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: I should? Should I include that on the show? Is

738
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 2: that fun? Yeah? You should?

739
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: Because they are wondering.

740
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: You should are wondering if there's a puppeteer behind people.

741
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: But let me tell you, behind people, there is only

742
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: his shadow.

743
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: You should be the first performer to sell merch during

744
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: a performance, Like there should be moments where you stop

745
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: performing after you say a line and you're like, and

746
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: then you take out a shirt that.

747
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: Has that line. Oh wow, Yeah, not for this show,

748
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 2: but maybe I will.

749
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: Does Bibo date?

750
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Men or women? What? What's his type? I've only

751
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: seen them date women so far, robot women or human women?

752
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 2: What do you mean robot women? Who are some robot women? Uh?

753
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: Siri?

754
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? The girl robot from the Holes Full of Love video.

755
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: That's a fictional robot. That's not true. That video was

756
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: shot live. Sure, that's a prop though, that's not like

757
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: a sentient being like Bibo is. But what about you know,

758
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: a roomba?

759
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, roomba, that's a good example.

760
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: No, would Bibo date a roomba? Yes? Or no? No,

761
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: he wouldn't.

762
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: What about an Amazon Alexa?

763
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, no, no, no? What about Siri? No? I

764
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: think people wants like a ceramicist, so a non robot

765
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: woman probably okay?

766
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: Interesting?

767
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Bibo goes for like a girl with

768
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: an Etsy shop. Oh yeah, that makes that makes sense.

769
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah he was sentimental. Yeah, he's kind of wholesome and yeah,

770
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: but he's like a little artsy, like she has a

771
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: little bird tattoo.

772
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: Sure.

773
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Bibo would date like Zoron's wife, well if

774
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: if she was not married in a loving relationship.

775
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, with our next mayor. Who did Biba vote for

776
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: in the presidential election?

777
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: Would you say, in the presidential yes, in twenty twenty four, Oh,

778
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, Donald J. Trump. He would he would deflect,

779
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: but he voted Kamala Okay, okay, yeah with like you know,

780
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: a lot of like a lot of we know, like yeah, yeah,

781
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: I don't support this hand waving.

782
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yah, which he does by himself,

783
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: not with a puppeteer, by the way.

784
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Can I.

785
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: Tell you what's happening in my mind right now? I

786
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 3: know we have to do our first segment, but if

787
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: I say that, it will be further proof that I

788
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: am glasses and that I am Navy in your in

789
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: your terminology? Wait, why because we have to because I'm like,

790
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: because I'm keeping us.

791
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: In your You're the bibo.

792
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: Yes of Stradio, Yes exactly, which I which is actually

793
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: weird because normally I'm more like time sensitive for some.

794
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 2: Reason, this time you have a dinner in Indian Square.

795
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: That's actually not why I'm no. I was more thinking

796
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: because I want to get because I want to get it.

797
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: To our topic. I was like, let's get to the topic.

798
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: Let's do it. I'll be the bibo. What's next?

799
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: You can't be the bibo after he already said we

800
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: have to get to the topic.

801
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 2: Okay, what's next? What's the topic?

802
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Okay. Our first segment, as you know,

803
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: is called Strate Shooters, and in the semmer, we're wanting

804
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: to ask you a series wrapped by questions this thing

805
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: or this other thing, and the only rule is you

806
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: can't ask any followup questions or we will go navy

807
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: blue on your ass.

808
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: Hard. Okay.

809
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: The show is about color colors, and that's why we

810
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: keep saying yes, yes, performance listeners.

811
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: It's a show called Color Theories in which I discussed colors,

812
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: and in the show, navy blue is characterized as the

813
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: the rule following color, which is why you are comparing

814
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: yourself to navy blue when you are keeping track of

815
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: the segments. Yes, well, actually not. None of neither of

816
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: us is wearing navy blue, which is rare for us

817
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: because we both actually actually attracted wearing.

818
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: A navy blue shirt before this, and I took it

819
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: off many.

820
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Night and navy blue it.

821
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: I didn't take it off because I was scared of

822
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: what it would imply.

823
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: But a lot of people do that. People have been

824
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: doing that with me around me a lot lately. Well

825
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: it is was going to wear this color, but I

826
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: didn't want you to blave. It's just like it's not

827
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: I say at the beating of the show, it's not literal.

828
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: It's not literal, but it is hard. It's like that

829
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: thing of being like this happens sort of in DC.

830
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: Actually it's when you like call out someone's like lifestyle.

831
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: If you're like, navy blue is this? Neame blue is this?

832
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Then you're looking and you're like, oh fuck, oh yeah,

833
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: You're like, I can't go home. I can't change this

834
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: happens though it's not.

835
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: This happened to me last night.

836
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: You know how I've been, you know, we've been on

837
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: tour and then some of our shows, I'll make some

838
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: joke about how sometimes women bring their boyfriends to a

839
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: queer comedy show, and the vibe is very much like

840
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: if this doesn't work out, it's over. Like it's like

841
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 3: this night will be this night will be in and

842
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: so everyone and everyone and people show.

843
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Isn't funny because the straight boyfriends like the.

844
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Straight boy friends like this.

845
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: The woman is always rubbing the straight boyfriend's back every time,

846
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: and so I made you know, you make a joke

847
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: about it, and you and people that already do.

848
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: Have different lives. It's so fun and people at our

849
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: shows laugh.

850
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: Last night I was at a show that was all.

851
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Straight couples and so no one with you.

852
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: No one laughed because the women can't laugh because ovious,

853
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: because they're Then it's like so true. Then it's like

854
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: so true, my boyfriend sucks. And obviously the boyfriends are like,

855
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: how dare you even reference me?

856
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: Where was this Union Hall? Oh? This is okay? Oh yeah,

857
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: but Union Hall. That's basically the audience is like it's

858
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: common country. Yeah yeah, like you're gonna have some and

859
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't, but but my love.

860
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: In our shows, the boyfriends are in like I haven't

861
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: had a negative reaction from the boyfriends generally.

862
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Like and no it's an energetic yes.

863
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: And I'll do a joke where I'm like, you know,

864
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: you all feel out numbered, but actually, if you look around,

865
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: there's many of you and you can all unionize and

866
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: stop this show now like it and everyone laughs and

867
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, they're no angrier would be yes, But

868
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: I think at this show, because it was all straight couples,

869
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: there wasn't even the opportunity to first to break the tension.

870
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: It was just like the shock of recognition.

871
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, and it's like when we were in DC and

872
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: I had a joke about people who like their jobs

873
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: too much being like unethical, and people were so like

874
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: they were like that's not right. Like they were like,

875
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: it's my duty to like my job. Like people were

876
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: genuinely like I've never gotten silenced, and I was like,

877
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Like it was like they were all wearing

878
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: navy blue and they couldn't take it off.

879
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was freaky.

880
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: But also I was telling Sam, I think we had

881
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: a realization that we have the stereotype of like we

882
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: have the stereotype that everyone wants to do something creative

883
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: and stops themselves to have an office job that's flawed,

884
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: that is obviously flawed in many ways, but in a

885
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: DC specific way, it's actually even more dream for exactly

886
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: the dream.

887
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: The dream is that their Hollywood yes exactly, yeah, yeah

888
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: and made it and they've and and there's something in fact,

889
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: like even you can even understand that on a theoretical level,

890
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: to want to quote unquote change the world through.

891
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: Politics like at least makes sense. It's like it makes

892
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: more sense than for your dream being to I don't know,

893
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: work at the Coca Cola corporation, right, sure, sure, But

894
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: the people that work at the Coca Cola corporation, their

895
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: dream is probably to like own a lake house, yeah,

896
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: and like to like be able to afford going on

897
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: like vacation, that's true, have like a big wedding, and

898
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: then and then this thing is like pleasant enough. They

899
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: feel some kind of rush of power and so no

900
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: like is there. But I think they at least at

901
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: least Sam's thing works better for it's like they don't

902
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: have to love their job. They can be like, I'm

903
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: satisfied with.

904
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: My job, but I want to go to that audience.

905
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: Whereas I do think if you work at a you

906
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: misread the audience, like at a at a political consultancy.

907
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: You're literally like fuck yeah, like this is what I

908
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna want. Yeah, like finance people. Yeah yeah.

909
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: This thing keeps happening in our conversation where where whenever

910
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: we try to talk about the show, then we move

911
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: on like it's.

912
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: Like we like oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and it's

913
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: like that's okay, get to the topic, get to a topic.

914
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Okay. So that thing we already said, the setup.

915
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you already said the setup.

916
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll go first. Concrete jungle where dreams are

917
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: made of or nasty fungal hair we should shave off.

918
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: No, that's good. Concrete jungle where gems are made of

919
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: slim shady or fat bastard ooh, slim shady.

920
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Common side effects or mama hydro.

921
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: Breasts common side effects under construction or other ba ba

922
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: bad under construction.

923
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: This bitch, okay, Big Pharma or Little Wayne, Little.

924
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 3: Wayne tipping twenty percent or tripping into your descent, tripping

925
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 3: into your descent?

926
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: Okay. Chicken Caesar salad or frigging geezers are valid.

927
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: Chicken Caesar salad together at last, or Merrick Weaver was

928
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: miscast together at last. I picked the ones that I

929
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: could repeat, Yes, that made sense.

930
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, there's I'm like, there's a tension here, but

931
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: you knew between the three of us.

932
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: Really, why is it?

933
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't know something's up?

934
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh is that are you? Is this a setup

935
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: for another segment?

936
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: No, this is it's time for water candy.

937
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time for massages from our sponsor.

938
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: Bibo comes in Belo. No, I'm like, is there tension?

939
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: Do you send sension?

940
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: I send tension.

941
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting that you phrase it as a question,

942
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: when in fact you just wanted to say there is.

943
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: Therapy me.

944
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: It's like, so you think there's tension. I basically I'm like,

945
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: this soup salty. Don't do therapy?

946
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: Is the soup salty?

947
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't consent to therapy.

948
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: That's a T shirt. That's a T shirt? Is it

949
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 2: hot in here? Well?

950
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking I'm looking for relatability in a sea of

951
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, individuals. I'm saying. I'm saying, maybe I'm lunatic.

952
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Maybe you need to lock me up in a luney bit.

953
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, because if you had said, okay, if

954
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: you had said there is tension, then you then it

955
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: would have been an attack sort of. I feel like

956
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: it's dominating to say there is tension. Yeah, But then

957
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: when you say is their tension? Guess what you're doing,

958
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 3: you're taking yourself out of it. You're saying, well, I'm

959
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: just a passive observer and I'm observing ten.

960
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: I guess, And therefore the warning should have been I

961
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: feel tension.

962
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: Do you as well feel it? Yeah?

963
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: I do not, but I see you and I feel you.

964
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: Can't believe you did therapy. At me, this is unbelievable.

965
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't consent to therapy. Is a good t shirt?

966
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, last time you did the podcast,

967
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 3: I'm remembering you did something really interesting, which is we

968
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: were on zoom.

969
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: We have to do the clapping. No, no, no, I have

970
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: to do it again right now. Yeah, let's be have

971
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: to clap just to one.

972
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so now everything's gonna be off.

973
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: When we did it on Zoomah, something really interesting happened

974
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: and it's a exactly the kind of thing that you know,

975
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: my glasses nature is like alarm, alarm, alarm, which is

976
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 3: it was eating no, no, no, the well that too.

977
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: It was later in the day. It was let's say

978
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: it was you know, seven pm.

979
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: So in the I got sleepy. No, no, in the.

980
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: Keep gussing, I want to know what you think the

981
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: mistakes you made work.

982
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: As the podcast went on.

983
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: Something As the podcast went on to the call, the

984
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: sun was setting. So what was happening is your room?

985
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 4: No, no, there's a part where you have control your room,

986
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 4: and all of our rooms went fro went from sunny

987
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: to pitch black in the span of the hour and

988
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes that we did the podcast.

989
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: Both of us turned on a light at some point.

990
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: Well, me, should program my light's automatically turn on?

991
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: Really when the sun is setting.

992
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: Okay, just saying cool. I didn't turn on the light.

993
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying great.

994
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: And you chose not to turn on a light. So

995
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: by the end of it, it was pitch black on

996
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: your zoom start, like literally complete darkness, pitch black. We

997
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: took a photo of it, and I believe you're playing

998
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: on your floor. Each of us, each of us was

999
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: lit like in a normal room. Yeah, and you're square

1000
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: on zoom was pitch black and we could not see

1001
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: your face.

1002
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: Well, why is it lit room or normal room? Why

1003
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: are we so afraid of darkness?

1004
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 3: I guess in this instance the reason I would say

1005
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 3: is that the point of.

1006
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: Zoom is to see? Was that the point of zoom? Yeah?

1007
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: Otherwise it would just be a call, Oh, I see

1008
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: what you mean. So the camera was on. So were

1009
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: you scared that I was doing? What you effectively did

1010
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: was turn the camera off.

1011
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: No, we didn't think you were jerking it. If that's

1012
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: what you're asking, it would be such a crazy thing

1013
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: for you to do. To be jerking it, well, well

1014
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: it's time to dark it.

1015
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: That would be an amazing wrinkle in your personality.

1016
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 3: It's like you were literally going, Jeffrey, what's the guy

1017
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: the New York c writor that, Oh it's Goodfrey Goldberg.

1018
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: It's like it's like Tubin or like Jeffrey Tubin. Yes,

1019
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: you were going Jeffrey Tuban mode. He was.

1020
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: He was jerking it, yeah, oh yes, but but.

1021
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: You was over Yeah, but he did like a few times.

1022
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: I think he did it a few times.

1023
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so.

1024
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: And it was like turned it back on. I was like, sorry, guys,

1025
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: just one more thing.

1026
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: Wait before I forget.

1027
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: You know what's sick and twisted about me?

1028
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: What you know what's sick and twisted about that? You?

1029
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Like when I hear about that, I'm like nice, like,

1030
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wish that woul happen to me.

1031
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: Well okay, sorry, Well of course some you wish that

1032
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: happened to you, that you were a.

1033
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: Coworker was like jerking off, and I'd be.

1034
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: Like, whoa totally.

1035
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: And the thing is, what's the issue is you can't

1036
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: be sure that all the coworkers would be like you.

1037
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: In fact, you know what I mean.

1038
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: That it's not impossible that some people would be turned on,

1039
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: where it's not everyone would be turned on.

1040
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: You would be turned on or excited because it's a

1041
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 2: good anecdote.

1042
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually I didn't even think about the good

1043
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: anecdote part.

1044
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay. So you were like you would you

1045
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: would you then start jernking off. I do a breakout room.

1046
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: I do a breakout room.

1047
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: I want a breakout room. And but you yours is consent.

1048
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 3: It's like if it's like, okay, you guys, I.

1049
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: Am going to jerk off.

1050
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: If anyone wants to join, like there's a meeting code,

1051
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: I will have to accept you. And yeah it's a

1052
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: break breakout room.

1053
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, a breakout room. Yeah.

1054
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: So Jeffrey starts jerking it. Sam is like, so, this

1055
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 3: is how not to do things. But if anyone wants

1056
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 3: to see me in a.

1057
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: Sidebar, first of all, I love what you're doing. I

1058
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: do think it's inappropriate generally. Yeah, but I'll do a

1059
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: side room.

1060
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: And if anyone wants to join, yeah, just know that

1061
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: that's happening.

1062
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: Don't know that's happening.

1063
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: You know when my pet peeves, what starting a sentence

1064
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: with so in a fundescending way? Oh, I like, well so,

1065
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: but it's also being like so the way the room works.

1066
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it really like and it's also you know

1067
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: what it gives to me people who in their bio

1068
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: also have educator educator It's like and they're not teachers exactly.

1069
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: It's like queer like writer, storyteller, educator. I've never encountered

1070
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: they're going to go ahead and start every sentence with so.

1071
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: I've never encountered that. You will know you are lucky,

1072
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: let me say that. And these are self elected educators, correct,

1073
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: from from the university of them period.

1074
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: They have a university of they have them more like wow, wow,

1075
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: I'm kidding.

1076
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: Snip, sip, snip, what are you snipping? Oh, I'm editing

1077
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: that out.

1078
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you were circumcising George.

1079
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 2: No, no, not again.

1080
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So we rate our guests. I'm skilled one to

1081
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: one thousand doves. After that segment, who so he was

1082
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: on track? Yeah, we rate our guests on the skills.

1083
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: You already one thousand doves. Are you familiar with thea.

1084
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 2: What do they symbolize in the song?

1085
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't. In the song, I would say they symbolize freedom.

1086
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 2: You're a bit of a gaga scholar. I think their freedom,

1087
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: You think their freedom.

1088
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1089
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: I would go so far as to say generally they

1090
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: symbolize freedom or peace.

1091
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: Peace. I think it's peace, not freedom. Well, but it

1092
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: is in peace freedom?

1093
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: Fuck?

1094
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: Fuck? What do you have freedom without peace? What about weddings?

1095
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: That's just when you release the doves.

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Speaker 3: This is a good question. Actually, in weddings, does it

1097
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 3: symbolize peace more or freedom more? When they release doves?

1098
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: Definitely not freedom, not freedom. Yeah, unless you find freedom

1099
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 3: in love.

1100
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: What if it's your freedom flying away?

1101
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, it's kind of dark.

1102
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1103
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: I like that.

1104
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: It's like congrats, you're tropped. Yeah, bye bye. The mother

1105
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: in law shoots them?

1106
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, really good.

1107
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: I bet you if they do do that in Italy, Italy, Italy.

1108
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: So we were gonna we should talk about our topic.

1109
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, now I'm bibo.

1110
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: No, I'm not even looking at my watch. I've never

1111
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: been more relaxed.

1112
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: And does your watch? Is your watch set to Timelio?

1113
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: That is the most like Julio question I've ever heard. Yes,

1114
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: my watch is said to really mad me use it

1115
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 3: to tell time? Yeah, because I don't want to look

1116
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: at my phone?

1117
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, do you I have many watches, It never

1118
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: occurred to me to set them to time.

1119
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: But like, do you ever wish you didn't have to

1120
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: look at your phone when you wanted to know what

1121
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 3: time it is? I love asking people what time it is,

1122
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: So that's how you find out what time it is.

1123
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the movie Crash.

1124
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: What if you're alone? What if I'm alone? Yeah, you're okay,

1125
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: you know I'm not desperately needed anywhere. So well, you're

1126
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: currently doing an off Broadway run.

1127
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this is an interesting little thing with you though,

1128
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: like you have like you you're both like extremely free

1129
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: and like whatever, I don't know what time it is,

1130
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: and you're also like pretty on time to stuff and

1131
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: like very like.

1132
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: Really efficient, yeah, and also efficient and productive and prolific.

1133
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: It's like I think I'm productive. I don't know that

1134
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: I'm efficient.

1135
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: Like so, for example, for your opening night, I was

1136
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: like like, I was like could I come? And you

1137
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: were like yes, because I was like, I'm gonna be

1138
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: in town and I was like, like not getting like that.

1139
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: I never got an email confirmation, but I was like,

1140
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: I just know that it will work because Julio doesn't

1141
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: mess up, you know. Like I was like, I won't

1142
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: have the email, but I'll show up and it will work.

1143
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's that's my credit. I think

1144
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: that there is. I think that my incompetence okay, I

1145
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: think that this is what it is. Okay. I think

1146
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: that I am lucky enough that my incompetence surrounds me

1147
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: with very competent people that know that they need to

1148
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: feel in my blanks that what they contribute to my

1149
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: realm is order. Bobo.

1150
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: It's like a shell. You're like a squishy center and

1151
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: you surround yourself with a hard shell.

1152
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: Well, in that metaphor, incompetence is is vulnerable and competence

1153
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: is strength. But you don't I don't think that I

1154
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: don't think I'm vulnerable. I just think I'm messy.

1155
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I would say the goo inside of a thing is messy.

1156
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not in the goo inside of the thing.

1157
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: But you're not in and of the T shirt. The

1158
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: goo inside of the thing is messy. Wait, oh my god?

1159
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: Should I just yah to release me of this episode?

1160
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: The go inside of the thing is messy? Behind behind

1161
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: his shadow, I did not consent to there. Those are

1162
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: really good. Yeah. I smell a capsule collection. I smell

1163
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: a capsule collect Stradia lab x Julio. No, we need

1164
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: a we need a brand. You need a Yeah. Well,

1165
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: it's fashion week. Get out there and make some connections.

1166
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: I should. Yeah. Should we get into our topic?

1167
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: We should?

1168
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Julio, what is your straight topic today?

1169
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: And what is straight about it? I am offering up

1170
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: to the council kitchen islands.

1171
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting.

1172
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sorry. No no, no, no, no, no no,

1173
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm walking about take that from the top.

1174
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: Let's so, the way this is going to work is

1175
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you what your topic is, and

1176
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: then you tell us the pre agreed one that we

1177
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: talked about beforehand. I remember, we all get any time

1178
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: you have any questions.

1179
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: The one that was approved.

1180
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: Melissa is seed on this email and she has all

1181
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: the notes from the previous meeting.

1182
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: First of all, we love kitchen islands. We just really

1183
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: want to go through the process that we set up early.

1184
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: No, that's that's fair. That's fair. The topic I bring

1185
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: forward to the council is deodorant. Wow, Wow, deodorant.

1186
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: And this is a rich one for us, So what about.

1187
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: I am first of all, I am shocked that you

1188
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: haven't discussed this in your podcast already because for you,

1189
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: Sam particularly, Yeah, I think is I think that the

1190
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: odorant occupies a significant part of the pie chart. That

1191
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: is Sam, It's like thoughts about deodorant. It's a huge

1192
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: thing for me, famously a stinker.

1193
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I did not wear the ordorant for most of

1194
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: my twenties, and maybe.

1195
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: It's because I thought that you still were not wearing

1196
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: the ordorant.

1197
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: Honestly. It was working in Godfice, Oh honestly, I found Christianity. Yeah,

1198
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: and I said, there's.

1199
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: No going back working in an office.

1200
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: Because I was working at after midnight and it was

1201
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: like fully like an office, like you're like in a

1202
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: room with people all day.

1203
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: Oh, because obviously before you were working outdoors.

1204
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: Exact dogwalk dog walking, moving or like muscle little kids. Yeah,

1205
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: like you can be stinky, but.

1206
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: You were, sorry to complicate the narrative going to shows,

1207
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: you were a working stand up comedian and going to

1208
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 3: pretty enclosed, intimate spaces. A green room is actually more

1209
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: intimate than a than a I never smelled horrible.

1210
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: I never smelled bad. It was just like.

1211
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: George looks away.

1212
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: I was just getting the tea. You just saw a

1213
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: moment where you could sip tea.

1214
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was just sipping my te.

1215
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did I smell bad? Julio?

1216
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: So I Actually it's a yes, or.

1217
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: Starting a sentence of so, go on, so so.

1218
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: So you did not smell bad to me. However, people

1219
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: that are stickless about the ornant would have said that

1220
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: you smelled bad.

1221
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable.

1222
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: I would unfortunately have to agree, Wow, yeah, so is it.

1223
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: I don't and I have I'm sorry to say, notice

1224
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: the difference.

1225
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: So I I I have no problem with the way

1226
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: a body smells. It doesn't get to me at all.

1227
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: But I do understand that there are a lot of

1228
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: people that do have problems with it, and those people

1229
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: would qualify you as stinky unbelievable. Well, okay, I was

1230
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: always a little I don't wear deodorant really, yeah, well

1231
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: you don't smell at all. Hmm. Interesting, I don't wear deodorant. No,

1232
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: I've never bought it.

1233
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: I remember when you were rubbing a crystal on your

1234
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: that was my attempt to do that, and you've stopped

1235
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: doing that.

1236
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't really doing anything, And I realized that

1237
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: I was just trying to find a compromise between the

1238
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 2: expectation and what I wanted to do, which was nothing.

1239
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: You know what you were doing. It's like when like

1240
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: someone washing, like pretends to wash their hands just to

1241
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: be like, yeah I did.

1242
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: It, yeah, like sure for sure, for sure, for sure?

1243
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, like they did a little claw. I love

1244
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: the little claw. I love the little clawn to the water.

1245
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: Just like, can you tell us what is straight about? Right?

1246
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: The shame of the body? Okay? Interesting, like uh, the

1247
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 2: sanitization of the body, the uh trying to disguise the

1248
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: body into a vessel that is merely a brick in

1249
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: society or go going to an office. Yeah yeah right,

1250
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I'm prepares you for a respectable environment. Yes, yeah,

1251
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: it's like wearing a tie, yeah.

1252
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: I would say, and it's interesting to mention ties.

1253
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: I would say.

1254
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: One huge element of the straightness is the gender dynamics

1255
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 3: of it. So like a sort of a very lady

1256
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: exactly and make like a very kind of cliche thing

1257
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: is just how insanely lady and gentlemen the same are.

1258
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: Like the lady ones are literally like flower virginity, clean linen,

1259
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: and then the male ones are are truly like murder, artillery, artillery, wolverine, wolverine.

1260
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: And I actually I have been thinking about this a

1261
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 3: lot because with the kind of evolution of masculinity I

1262
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: have located the name of your book, Yes, it's actually

1263
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: it's actually the evolution of masculinity I have located someone

1264
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 3: has done the impossible in the advertising agencies, and they

1265
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: have created a new version of a masculine scent that

1266
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: is fit for the twentieth century trifer century man.

1267
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: So it used to be it was like race garc.

1268
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: And yeah, but like a in a literal way, like

1269
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of a non joke one that's

1270
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: like real. It was like what's like a genuine like

1271
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: old spice.

1272
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: Well or like an axe body spread.

1273
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it would be like like like wood and yeah,

1274
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 3: so I so the one that I've seen is stone.

1275
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: And this is what I think is like because it's

1276
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: it's this genius way to retain the masculinity of something

1277
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 3: while also making it metrosexual and feminine like you Actually

1278
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: it's it's not emasculating to be stone, but it also

1279
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 3: is so smooth and non problematic and part of nature.

1280
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 3: It's like the It's like Glenn Powell is stone. He's

1281
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: not as masculine as you know, Sylvester st Alone, but

1282
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 3: he's not as fag.

1283
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: The latest in a long sure, Ryan Gosling before him

1284
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: was a stone.

1285
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, it's not it doesn't go as far

1286
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 3: as to be you know, Timothy Shallome.

1287
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: But it's also not Hercules, although Hercules also is Hercules,

1288
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: the character Hercules, yes, okay, okay, and by Hercules you

1289
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: mean like pre Disney, like the real but but under

1290
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: that category you would pull like John Cena, yes exactly, yeah, yeah,

1291
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: John Cena is interesting. John Cena. He's like stepping Yeah,

1292
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: he is more stone or stone.

1293
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and interestingly the rockets he's gotten older is also

1294
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: being more stone.

1295
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, all these men that we've mentioned. Yeah, deorderant, right, yes, yeah.

1296
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing. It is, like I think ideologically

1297
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't support deodorant, but I also don't want to

1298
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: be offensive in a smell sense, like I.

1299
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: Do you actually think, okay, yeah, say you went to

1300
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: the writer's room of of the show and you were stinky. Okay, Now,

1301
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: other than maybe a couple of people noting it, and

1302
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: because it's a roomful of comedians making a couple of

1303
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: jokes that you would probably laugh at also and then

1304
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: moving on with your lives, do you think it would

1305
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: have actually been that destructive to the work environment.

1306
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: I think, well, hmmm, and you might be therapizing me

1307
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: without my consent, but I think it would be like

1308
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: like a way to like shit talk me, sort of

1309
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: like behind my back, almost like they.

1310
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: Wouldn't make the bloodgates.

1311
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1312
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: And then suddenly we're not even just talking about the stent.

1313
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: We're talking about he was late. Then he keeps exactly

1314
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: a look at his workspace, there's rappers there. He's actually

1315
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: not that funny if you think about it.

1316
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: Why does he have this job?

1317
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: Interesting?

1318
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: So it's it's very talk about shell. It's like a

1319
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: defense to be like, don't give them something.

1320
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: Well, which is what I Okay, I'm sorry, I don't.

1321
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: I really don't want to like be like promoting my work,

1322
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: but you should be. That to me is what wearing

1323
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 2: navy blue is is being like, don't see me, I'm

1324
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: one of you. Were marching towards the same place.

1325
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: I but an office. I think that is what I

1326
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: But isn't that what you're supposed to do in an office?

1327
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 2: But but but you're you're there as a comedian in

1328
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: a comedy show. Yeah, it's like the office should bend, sorry,

1329
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: the the infrastructure of the place should bend to the

1330
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: the utility of the place, not the other way around.

1331
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: You shouldn't start wearing deodorant because the addres they gave you,

1332
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: as in a building with air I have.

1333
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm struggling with this. Okay, where do you

1334
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 3: where do you say? I just what is a comedian?

1335
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: But what is being a comedian have to do with

1336
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 3: wearing deoda? I mean I understand, like on a very

1337
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 3: very very broad level, it's like, so you're supposed to

1338
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: just like be punk rock and not follow any of

1339
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 3: the roles of society. But like you are waking up

1340
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: every day putting on clothes, you are brushing your teeth,

1341
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: you are showering. What is it about deodorant specifically? That

1342
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 3: is this like flashpoint where you're like, this is if

1343
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 3: they take away my body scent.

1344
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: The fact that he doesn't want to do it. He

1345
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: does want to brush his teeth, he does want to

1346
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: take a shower, he does want to wear clothes.

1347
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 3: But do you want to wake up every day at

1348
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 3: eight at like six am to go to the office.

1349
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: Do you want to That is a necessity of the job.

1350
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: Wearing the odrant is not a necessarily job. This is

1351
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: where writing comedy is a necessity of the job of

1352
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 2: a comedy writer. Why do you.

1353
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 3: Not want to wear a yodor m Well, I think

1354
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: because it is like a fear thing.

1355
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: Like it's like I'm not wearing it because I smell

1356
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: bad to myself. I'm wearing it because I don't want

1357
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: to be offensive to others. And I'm kind of like

1358
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: if it were just me, like brushing your teeth feels good,

1359
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: and you're like and you want like good teeth and

1360
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: for them to like stay healthy.

1361
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like the odoran is just like I mean

1362
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: there is a medical utility to brushing your teeth. Yeah, yeah,

1363
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: there is none to wearing the order.

1364
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 3: But I just isn't isn't or shaving? Isn't being like

1365
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 3: pro social? If this is something that bothers others like,

1366
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 3: isn't that what being part of a community is like?

1367
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: To me?

1368
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,440
Speaker 3: It's like a It's it's not oppressive, it's community oriented

1369
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: to be like, this is how we you know, it's

1370
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 3: like cleaning up after yourself. If you like put a

1371
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: have a coffee and put the mug in the sink

1372
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 3: or something, and you think.

1373
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: You think that a person's natural scent is as bad

1374
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 2: as littering. What do you mean you just compared it

1375
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: to like leaving leaving garbage or like, what was it

1376
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: like not cleaning up after yourself in a kitchen?

1377
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: Well, it's just like naturally, as a person, you will

1378
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 3: like leaving a trail behind, whether it's objects or a scent,

1379
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 3: or whether it's like you know, cleaning up after yourself.

1380
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm not it's not like I'm not saying it's garbage,

1381
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 3: but I'm saying it's like when you exist within a community.

1382
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 2: I think I think it's I think I think that

1383
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: the that the orderant thing to me at least holds

1384
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: hands with like women should shave their legs or they're

1385
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: they're under arms, and it's like and then people are like, well,

1386
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: we don't want to see that, we don't want to

1387
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 2: see it, and it's just like, oh, okay, okay, this

1388
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: is interesting because I I like this because it's sort of.

1389
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 3: Compares two different senses. To me, not wanting to see

1390
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: something is not enough of a reason for someone to

1391
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 3: change your behavior, but smell is somehow more. And I

1392
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 3: think it might literally just be a personal thing because

1393
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 3: I do I am sensitive to smell, so it if

1394
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 3: someone is like, even on the other side of things,

1395
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 3: wearing too much colone or something, I really don't like

1396
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 3: that because it bothers me. Whereas you can come in

1397
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 3: wearing like a crazy stained bedsheet with your cock out

1398
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, it's not bothering me.

1399
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: What are some what are some sense that do bother you? Sense? Sense?

1400
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like breath smelling bad bothers me, like specific

1401
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 3: specific kinds of bo I would say, like in terms

1402
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 3: of scented product, I don't like a rose scent.

1403
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1404
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 3: Are there any sense that bother you or no, you

1405
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 3: don't relate.

1406
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: It has to be like a really really powerful like

1407
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: chemical smell to bother me.

1408
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with bad breath usually I feel bad for

1409
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: the person, Like I'm not like this is nasty.

1410
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely feel bad. I'm not gonna punch them

1411
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: in the face.

1412
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1413
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1414
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: Well, and there's we I think we can zoom out

1415
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: a little as well. There is an interesting in the

1416
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:22,480
Speaker 1: gay community conversation about like the blue haired liberal for Republicans,

1417
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: the non deodorant gay guy is like such a thing

1418
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: right now, as like this weird villain where it's like, hey,

1419
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: could somebody tell the Brooklyn gays to put on some deodorant? Yeah,

1420
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: like one hundred likes and it's kind of like, okay,

1421
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: what's going on?

1422
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 2: One hundred likes.

1423
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: That's just in the first second, by the way, Okay,

1424
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: it's going viral.

1425
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah.

1426
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: We should all post it and see how well it does.

1427
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 3: No, it is a weird I'll say this. I think

1428
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 3: scent and like body order is a weird, guarded, coded

1429
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: way of talking about bigger issues.

1430
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:03,520
Speaker 2: It's like what you're talking doing microplastics, Yeah, but they're orderless.

1431
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 3: It's like with the blue hair that your issue isn't

1432
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 3: that someone dyed their hair blue, it's that they went

1433
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 3: to Oberlin.

1434
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: So you think it's a class thing. Is that a class?

1435
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: Is that?

1436
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: I think it is a well, I think it's a combination.

1437
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: I think certainly it's a class thing, and I certainly

1438
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: think both the blue hair and the non deodorant it

1439
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: implies a certain kind of like creative culture worker that

1440
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 3: can quote unquote afford to have this like stinky, funky look.

1441
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: I think I didn't want to be like you stink,

1442
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to be like I stink, but

1443
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 1: I want to be like I don't wear the yoder

1444
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been so blankly started out in

1445
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: my life.

1446
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 3: Wait when are you when you say I didn't want when.

1447
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: Like when I wasn't wearing yodorant. Yeah, in my non

1448
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: dudoran era, Yeah, I didn't want to be like, oh

1449
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: he's nasty and like he's just like.

1450
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't pride. It was that you want like, oh

1451
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: I feel so stinky.

1452
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fucking punk.

1453
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 3: It was confusing because you did say little ky thin

1454
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 3: part of the stinkiest part of the little.

1455
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: Stinker was like little stinker was like everything though it

1456
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: wasn't like literal smell, like similar to how your colors

1457
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: you're not saying this color like.

1458
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 3: It's a is almost like reclaiming the word bitch.

1459
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: Yes, little stinker was like, because I'm also like a little.

1460
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 2: Little sinkers or who are the little sinkers?

1461
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: Little stinker was me. I was like, you're the little

1462
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: but that's because I was like a little stinker in

1463
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: every way, Like I was like a little stinker, like

1464
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: I would just like and you.

1465
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: No longer feel like a little sinker.

1466
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,879
Speaker 1: No, I'm not a little stinker.

1467
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: Who are you now?

1468
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: Literally? That's why I keep asking myself. I'm in a

1469
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: crisis of self, to be honest, I'm worrying to order it.

1470
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't I live in La.

1471
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: You were to order it? You live in La? You

1472
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 2: have a husband?

1473
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who am I? What have I become?

1474
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: Well? Do you like this? Do you like all these things?

1475
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: No?

1476
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: True? Well you don't. I get it.

1477
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to move back you are yeah,

1478
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: oh good. Yeah it's not right. It's not right.

1479
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't.

1480
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: Like the way that being there, I really just A'm like,

1481
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: who am I? Like? All the time? Yeah that I've

1482
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: got to come back.

1483
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: So where are we with?

1484
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,480
Speaker 1: But look okay, so like yeah, I don't know, it's complicated.

1485
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: Like the goal wasn't to stink.

1486
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: The goal wasn't to stink. The goal was never to

1487
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 2: stink another T shirt. The goal was never to stink.

1488
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: The goal was like it was like freedom. The goal

1489
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:45,919
Speaker 2: was never too stink period. The goal was freedom, period.

1490
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,839
Speaker 2: The goal was never to stink. The goal was freedom.

1491
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: I'm Sam. You might be thinking, how did I get here? Well,

1492
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: that's not good. I little, that's not good. Ahead of

1493
01:14:58,479 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: ourselves it all started.

1494
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 3: There's almost fascinating about like it's like you're the goal

1495
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 3: with freedom, and yet you have intellectualized it so much.

1496
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

1497
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: Like, whereas I have always worn yodorant, I've never given

1498
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 3: a thought like I'm literally doing to CVS and I'm

1499
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: buying whatever old spice, Like I don't even wear like

1500
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 3: a fancy I've never.

1501
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: Think it's an umbrella. It's raining you. That's exactly what

1502
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 2: it is.

1503
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 3: It is the most utility, the most utilitarian. In the

1504
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: same way that I go out and I you know,

1505
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 3: I have buzzed head, so I buy like whatever head

1506
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: and shoulders cheap champio. It is not an identity marker.

1507
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 3: It is nothing for me. That's how I feel about yodorant.

1508
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,560
Speaker 3: And it's so funny funny.

1509
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 2: That the mess, the.

1510
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: Deliberated, deliberated one is the one over intellectualizing the like

1511
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: poetics of being a little stinker.

1512
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: Well okay, and and see it is the uh uh,

1513
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 2: the comfortable state of passivity that you are in. Yes,

1514
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 2: that I that I hope that I would like for

1515
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: everyone to be in, whether it's wearing it or not

1516
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 2: wearing I see, I see. So you're sort of not

1517
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 2: against the ordorant. I am against demanding, like being bothered

1518
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: or having like such an opinion about it. The goal

1519
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 2: was never to stink. The goal was freedom.

1520
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 3: Can I I think another straight thing about yoduran is

1521
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: actually exactly what you're saying, like people talking about you

1522
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 3: behind your back if you smell.

1523
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: It's a very like.

1524
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 3: Gossip Wasp's it's powered, it's powered, but it's also it's

1525
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 3: very like wasp, like did you hear what she did?

1526
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's that it's not gossip in a

1527
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: sort of because it's a transgression that is uh, it's

1528
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 2: a it's a transgression that has discussed behind closed doors.

1529
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: You can't like because those people it's like an affair. Yes, yes,

1530
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 2: it's like an affair.

1531
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 3: Or it's like I think it's straight people love to

1532
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 3: talk about Church didn't bring the castle role to the event, Like,

1533
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 3: it's not gossip.

1534
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: That's fun.

1535
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: That's like, oh, which celebrity yelled at a service worker.

1536
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 3: You know what it is, okay, Jennifer Lopez, she did, Well, probably.

1537
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 2: Know that. We don't know that.

1538
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 1: No, there's something about like two straight people each other

1539
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: are pop stars at all times where they're like waiting

1540
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: for them to fall.

1541
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, you're.

1542
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: Right, whereas like Forgave people, it's like.

1543
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: They make their own They print out their little US weeklies. Yeah,

1544
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: and they're like, well literally in the form of a

1545
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 2: family newsletter. They are their own some Christmas cards. Straight

1546
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: people are their own.

1547
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 3: Even when you think of the traditional early Instagram, it's

1548
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 3: like the photo of a coffee and a book. Wait wait, Iran,

1549
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 3: actually okay.

1550
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 2: This was another topic that I was going to bring

1551
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: of of straight culture. Is using Instagram for its intended purpose? Yes, yes,

1552
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 2: totally using Instagram as it was designed to be used,

1553
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: not subverting the form in any way, just being like today,

1554
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 2: what Sunday and I went to the park, I graduated

1555
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: from my masters. My sister's getting married. Family photo in Hawaii.

1556
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: The thing is about last night?

1557
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 1: I stop, I would give anything.

1558
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: Wait about last night?

1559
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: Is my favorite?

1560
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: About last night is brutal? What about sometimes we dress up?

1561
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,879
Speaker 1: That's really good, that's really good. But I wish Instagram

1562
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: was that, Like it's like I'd rather have that than

1563
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: like Unfortunately, as someone who post podcasts reels, podcast reels.

1564
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: Well, of course what I actually wish. And this gay

1565
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 2: guys always promoting, which is why a gay guy is

1566
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 2: always always pushing product.

1567
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 3: And the product can like just be like I'm a

1568
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 3: gay guy.

1569
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's like that's always gay guys that have they

1570
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: have photo shoots on the rooftops, but they are not

1571
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: in an industry that requires photo shoot. Crazy. It's like,

1572
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: oh wait, you're like you do like marketing for like yes,

1573
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: and why are you in your.

1574
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 3: And then the caption is the photographer's name is you know, Evan,

1575
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 3: and the captain Evan is a genius.

1576
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: He's a genius. He's a genius. Oh my god, wait,

1577
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: I was about to say no, go on Sam, you were.

1578
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: Wait, I don't think I had anything.

1579
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, someone new vamp so that I could remember

1580
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: what I was gonna say.

1581
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,520
Speaker 1: Evan genius Instagram.

1582
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 2: Instagram for its intended purpose having uh oh oh, yes, yes,

1583
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: have you seen uh the latest Jurassic Park movie the

1584
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: scarlettohs okay, but okay, this is very gay guy. This

1585
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: is a highly gay guy of of the movie of

1586
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: like in relationship to like how gay men are constantly

1587
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: selling Johnson Bailey plays a paleontologist in the movie. Uh,

1588
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't. Like he's definitely not Scarlett Johansson's love interest.

1589
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 2: He's not playing straight. He's just playing a guy. Oh,

1590
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: he's just playing a guy. That is.

1591
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,679
Speaker 3: I thought he was gay in the movie. Is that wrong?

1592
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 2: I think he just sort of infer that he's okay

1593
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: because he.

1594
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: Like the Bibo of the movie.

1595
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 2: He is the Bibo of the movie. Yeah, he is

1596
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: the Bible of the movie. Okay, yeah, yeah, one of

1597
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 2: the Architect's hero villain b Bibo. Scarlett Johansson, Charlotte Johanson.

1598
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1599
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: But in the movie, he's a paleontologist and they recruit

1600
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 2: him by going to the museum and so because where

1601
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: he works and he's like going through the exhibition, and

1602
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 2: then he's talking about how sad and stressed he is.

1603
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 2: The tickets for the exhibition aren't selling well. And then

1604
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: that's when you know he's a gay guy, because it's like,

1605
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,759
Speaker 2: why is the scientist, Why is the paleontologist stressed about?

1606
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 2: Is he posting a link? His job is just to

1607
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: like analyze the bones.

1608
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: He's like, seriously, you guys, because I got some new bones.

1609
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm sourcy. It's gonna be make some new and old home.

1610
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: Why is it his little show that he's stressed to promote?

1611
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: And it's like, you mean to tell me that he's

1612
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: going to the like scary dinosaur Island so he can

1613
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: get like new content.

1614
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: This is that literally what he's doing.

1615
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sort of implied that that's what he's doing.

1616
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: He's like, I need to mid My show is losing numbers.

1617
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: I neednas This.

1618
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 3: Is a new progressive way to have a queer coded

1619
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 3: character is that they're stressed about ticket sales. It's like,

1620
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 3: no matter what their job is, they could be a doctor.

1621
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: They're like, no surgery is coming up this month?

1622
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like people aren't posting about the hospital.

1623
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: Which actually jos have work to do.

1624
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 2: There are dinosaur bones that need like arranging or whatever. Yeah,

1625
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 2: it's like, well, no one's no one's like into dinosaurs anymore.

1626
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 2: Can you imagine, sorry, can you imagine being an astronomer

1627
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: or like or like a brain surgeon to me, like,

1628
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: no one needs to like brains anymore. Like, yeah, I

1629
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: have to do surgeries because people do get sick. But

1630
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: like no one's like posting about like brains aren't trending

1631
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: right now.

1632
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's posting about ozempic. Meanwhile, I'm removing tuner from

1633
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 3: tumors from people's brain.

1634
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: I guess I could have invented a ltle boo boo,

1635
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: but instead I decided to go to brains. Yeah, but

1636
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: this is like there's something. To be a good member

1637
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: of the LGBTQ plus community, you have to always be

1638
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: buying tickets because because that means you're like really supporting

1639
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: in the community, because you also have to assume that

1640
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: people are buying toket to see you and you're buying it's.

1641
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: A takead base, it's a based community.

1642
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: The Dice app that that's literally a money laundering app

1643
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 3: for LGBTQ plus creatives.

1644
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow, we have people. Oh wow, oh my god.

1645
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: Oh wait, and I have a show to get to too.

1646
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You have to be on Broadway.

1647
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: Go on, happy to be on Broadway. Okay.

1648
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 3: Our final segment, Our final segment. Our final segment is

1649
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,839
Speaker 3: called shout outs, and in this segment we pay homage

1650
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 3: to the classic straight tradition of the radio shout out

1651
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 3: by shouting out something that we are absolutely living for.

1652
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: You go first, yeah, we always.

1653
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 3: We always go first and make it up on the spot.

1654
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 3: I don't have one, but I will think of one

1655
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: in mere seconds.

1656
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give a shout out to the

1657
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: pod hotel. What's a pod hotel? You put your toilets

1658
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 1: in the shower and it is so amazing. I feel

1659
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,480
Speaker 1: like I'm in a future dorm. That is horrible and expensive.

1660
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. I don't know

1661
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: why I always go there, but it is just always

1662
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: I always go there.

1663
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: What do you mean? You always go there? When I

1664
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 2: come here? Now?

1665
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: I stay there?

1666
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: Why?

1667
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: Because it's the cheapest one like in that area, but

1668
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: it's still fifty dollars cheaper. I literally am insane. And

1669
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: that's where I say, because I don't deserve anything nicer

1670
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: that fifty dollars.

1671
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: I haven't.

1672
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet, and I think it would be

1673
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: unethical for me to jump ahead until the greater powers decide.

1674
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: You know what you've earned it? Well, I don't know

1675
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: what that is, but I'm not there yet. So shout

1676
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: out to the Pod. You are my home away from

1677
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: home right now?

1678
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: Well, yes, do you think they're gonna let you in

1679
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: after this?

1680
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm gonna be bad?

1681
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: Maybe your cart's not working?

1682
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: Shout out the Pot Hotel, which I love, and I

1683
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 1: love how efficient and beautiful it is. So many outdoor

1684
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: spaces which I haven't taken advantage of yet, but I

1685
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: certainly will. There is free coffee in the mornings, but

1686
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't do that because part of the fun is

1687
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: walking to get a coffee, and I think I love

1688
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: that you make New York City accessible to me and

1689
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: many other LGBTQ plus creators that go to and throw.

1690
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: So shout out to the Pod Hotel. I love you,

1691
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry about the bad stuff I said earlier.

1692
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: I love you and I always say their xoxs.

1693
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 2: So, by.

1694
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 3: What's up, theatergoers? I want to give a shout out

1695
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 3: to John Proctor is the villain. I believe that at

1696
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 3: this point it's actually not on Broadway anymore. So this

1697
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: is not really going to help anyone. But let me

1698
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 3: tell you something. You know, you see a play and

1699
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 3: it's it's set in twenty eighteen, and it's about me too.

1700
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 3: You say, hello, I don't want to go back there?

1701
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 3: What button do I press to go forward or not backwards?

1702
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 3: You say, I don't know if I'm going to enjoy this.

1703
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to relive that time,

1704
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 3: and I don't know if I want to have a

1705
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 3: sort of like preachy kind of Broadway something that panders

1706
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 3: to Broadway audience is about me too. But guess what,

1707
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 3: it's genius. It's brilliant. It made me cry twice. Teenage

1708
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 3: girls are strong, and Lord the artist is amazing. There's

1709
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil anything, but at the end

1710
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 3: there's a big moment involving a Lord song.

1711
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,480
Speaker 2: All the actors are incredible.

1712
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: I can't wait for some sort of badass creator to

1713
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 3: turn it into a film so that everyone has a

1714
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 3: chance to see it, not just people who are able

1715
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 3: to spend one million.

1716
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 2: Dollars on Broadway tickets and pretty much congratulations to all involved.

1717
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: At first, I thought you said when you first said

1718
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: Lord's name, I thought you were selling like exclamation, like

1719
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Lord the artist is amazing that you were just saying, Lord,

1720
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 1: are part.

1721
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 3: Of the It's twenty eighteen, so melodrama has just come out.

1722
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would love to be back because

1723
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, twenty teen sort of sucked.

1724
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 2: Trump had just gotten elected.

1725
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 3: But then I realized also melodrama had come out, and

1726
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 3: you know, to be reminded of that, we were saying,

1727
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 3: there are some good things that happened during that era.

1728
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: Huge out to melodrama. Okay, Coolly, whenever you're ready.

1729
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 2: I think I'm just gonna do shout out to Georgia's shoes.

1730
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: Tell us about them. I really like them. What are they?

1731
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 2: They're Okay, you don't like Meryl's. You don't like it?

1732
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 2: Do you like them? I do like it. They are

1733
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 2: literally well, you know, we sort of started with you

1734
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: with you making fun of the things that I'm wearing,

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Speaker 2: and so I like them. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: The glass glasses?

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Speaker 2: Oh, the glasses.

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Speaker 1: But that was that was he was giving you a tip.

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Speaker 2: So just giving you tips just I'm just here to help. Well,

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Speaker 2: these are hiking shoes.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when I bought them, I said, do

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Speaker 3: you no, No, I bought them because I thought they

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Speaker 3: looked cool in a sort of like they you know,

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Speaker 3: gig guy Salomon kind of way. But then they came

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Speaker 3: and they are actually quite a bit chunky, like they

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Speaker 3: really are for for hikes.

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Speaker 1: They're great.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, wait, you didn't like that shout out.

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Speaker 2: Let me do another one. Shout out. Wait, so the

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Speaker 2: shout outs are are are just anything? No mine, but

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Speaker 2: mine wasn't. Sorry there wasn't. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

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Speaker 2: you did enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's just hard for us to be positive sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to shout out to I'm just looking

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Speaker 2: about the room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're like rug, rug to rug.

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Speaker 2: Shout to TV, this is good night moon. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: shout out to plants. Shout out to you, the listener

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Speaker 2: at home. Look right into the camera to you, the

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Speaker 2: listener or watcher at home, who have endured yet another

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Speaker 2: hour or so of media. I hope that we brought

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Speaker 2: you peace, some joy, and some laughs. And always remember

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