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Speaker 1: Consider your grand proposal approved. I'll have the necessary signatures

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Speaker 1: Good morning, miss Wilbourne. And how are we today, Charlotte?

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Speaker 1: How is that fair? I beg your pardon, I said,

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Speaker 1: You're disgusting just because you're a whore. Don't try to

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Speaker 1: seme your doctor Hayes with raking woman. The most dangerous

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Speaker 1: creeps on the street aren't the pimps and the drug addicts. No, No,

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Speaker 1: the Reforma. You think I'm saying this to be cruel

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Speaker 1: and Charlotte please come up. Don't call me stupid. Okay,

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Speaker 1: poor choice of words, but I'm only trying to explain

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Speaker 1: Come on, Charlotte, Charlotte, you're going out there. You are, Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: It's not like you to keep us waiting. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: be helpful. I know you are, sweetie, by down on this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're set. Give Karen and Neva please come up here.

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Speaker 1: Pending it all in your letters. Car That's why a

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Speaker 1: special my churn already. What were you saying to Charlotte

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Speaker 1: just now, you know, girl talk? She seemed upset? Is

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Speaker 1: that my thoughts? I won't have you hurting her. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we won't allow it. Jesus right, Charlotte, what's going on coming?

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Okay, that's hop up on the gurney. Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: What was that all about? What what were you saying

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Speaker 1: to Charlotte? That head her so upset? Really? I think

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Speaker 1: Charlotte was feeling a little jealous. Her emotions got the

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Speaker 1: better of her. Would you say that's accurate, Karen, Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh wow. Let's keep the female hysteria to a minimum, Shelly, yes,

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Speaker 1: Doctor brite down on this, okay. Set The Control Group

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Speaker 1: is a production of How Stuff Works, written and directed

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Speaker 1: by Brett Wood, recorded and mixed by Rob Gal two