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Speaker 1: Your hosts Mickey Spagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern, and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It
Speaker 1: is Talking Tuesday, and we have a great show for you.
Speaker 1: We are going to get into some coaching carousel rumors,
Speaker 1: changes everything in between, Mickey leaving to go cover Mazoo.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's a rumor. See, I got you guys already.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta go back to where you started. Ain't
Speaker 1: that true? The roots? But and then we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into some guys bounce back boys. These guys all picked
Speaker 1: a couple of guys we want to highlight who need
Speaker 1: to have a bounce back season, offseason, what you may.
Speaker 1: But everyone obviously looks a little bit tired, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's just me. I was because I'm staying up so
Speaker 1: late watching that insane National Championship. Thank you for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a good tire because that was a hell
Speaker 1: of a game. I know, not as good as it
Speaker 1: gets right there, and I know I'm sitting in a
Speaker 1: room full of SEC men right here and these guys.
Speaker 1: I doubted the SEC national championship because the last time
Speaker 1: we saw this LSU Alabama pretty boring, real boring. And
Speaker 1: it's a matchup you've seen before, so it's kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see that in the fall. Didn't get across
Speaker 1: the fifty that day at LSU, Yeah they didn't. Nope? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so or a touchdown? Did they nope? True freshman is
Speaker 1: all we'll be hearing about for a long time in
Speaker 1: college football. You know what, can I throw something out
Speaker 1: there real quick about that game? I didn't think that
Speaker 1: was a gutsy move at all by Nick Saban. Oh
Speaker 1: you're gonna argue with me what to change quarterbacks? Quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: We had this argument upstairs. I think I think great
Speaker 1: I think great coaches understand the condition of their teams.
Speaker 1: I think they do. I think they have that ability
Speaker 1: to understand that. You know, hey, I am we're not
Speaker 1: getting it done with this guy today. We have to
Speaker 1: make a change. We have to do something different. You know,
Speaker 1: he saw what was happening in the first half, he
Speaker 1: saw how Georgia was playing him, you know, and the
Speaker 1: thing about the quarterback that he brings in that we
Speaker 1: don't get to see. And I made this funny because
Speaker 1: of Tom Rinaldy was over there doing a story about
Speaker 1: somebody crying. You know, he was not watching practice. Nick
Speaker 1: Saban watches practice. He understands what his freshman quarterback could
Speaker 1: do and what he couldn't do, you know. And people say, well,
Speaker 1: it's a national championship game. But you know, coaches, regardless
Speaker 1: of the situation, understand their team. They understand what they
Speaker 1: have to do to maybe give themselves a chance to
Speaker 1: win the game. And I felt like that putting that
Speaker 1: freshman quarterback in there, he'd seen the kid enough, the
Speaker 1: staff knew what the kid was. He was capable. Heck,
Speaker 1: he plays eighteen freshmen to begin with, as is well
Speaker 1: fair enough because at the end, I think you're right, Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously starts him at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: second half, but then at the end when they needed
Speaker 1: just that, I think he was a terrible interception if
Speaker 1: you remember that, ye was it that where they just
Speaker 1: wanted to move the ball a little bit for the
Speaker 1: field goal and they said, hey, we're gonna just put
Speaker 1: in Jalen Hurts just for this one play the steadier
Speaker 1: hand here. Oh he was worried that he screwed up
Speaker 1: the time clock. Yeah, he brought the team to the
Speaker 1: line and watched the clock tick tick tick tick. He
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't run a play. Yeah, he didn't supposed
Speaker 1: to run a play. Was supposed to run a play,
Speaker 1: take a knee, or move into the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: Basically saw tweet Mick that was dedicated to you. I
Speaker 1: told Brian already, Papa John's greater than Papa Natos or
Speaker 1: Nastos blessing sick. Am I wrong about the coach team?
Speaker 1: I thought so. I don't know about you, guys, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't go to sleep after right after, so I did.
Speaker 1: I watched some of the post game stuff and then analysis,
Speaker 1: and Tom think it was. It was Joey Galloways when
Speaker 1: they were talking about pulling the quarterback who had been
Speaker 1: what twenty five and two or whatever the number was.
Speaker 1: He said it took some brass ones and I thought
Speaker 1: so too. But I didn't disagree with him, although I
Speaker 1: think he got lucky because you mentioned the one interception
Speaker 1: very bad. The touchdown pass to tie the game should
Speaker 1: have been an interception. If Ridley didn't intercept the interception,
Speaker 1: he wasn't throwing the woodley. He was thrown to that
Speaker 1: guy in the back of ze Yeah, the running back
Speaker 1: that got knocked around a little bit. The freshman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: made an excellent Yeah. I'm not going to disagree with you,
Speaker 1: but I think he could be both. It's great coaching,
Speaker 1: but it's also gutsy because, yes, you needed something to
Speaker 1: juice up your team, but that stage, you're putting a
Speaker 1: true freshman in that stage who really hasn't played the
Speaker 1: entire season. You don't really know how he's going to react,
Speaker 1: no matter what you've seen in practice. I saw his
Speaker 1: numbers though, and I assume it was mop up time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they were pretty good. Yeah, mop up time against
Speaker 1: I understand. But the way they were portraying it on
Speaker 1: television was this guy had never played like this was
Speaker 1: the first time they threw him in there. See this
Speaker 1: is he had been playing. Hats off to Jalen Hurt's attitude,
Speaker 1: and you guys saw the way he was acting the
Speaker 1: whole game after that change happened. First one to celebrate
Speaker 1: him on that touchdown, First one to talk. He was
Speaker 1: talking to ESPN. I thought he had a great attitude.
Speaker 1: He was in the Huddles still engaged. He turned in
Speaker 1: his transfer papers yet, Yeah, let's get ready for that.
Speaker 1: Oh I know. Well, the only reason I say that
Speaker 1: change position would be a hard position to be in
Speaker 1: because obviously you're feeling anybody would feel like, hey, I
Speaker 1: got you here. Yeah, well, actually a great if when
Speaker 1: you when you watch the draft show, we talk about
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys. It's not the quarterback, but no,
Speaker 1: and I'll say this though, the freshman quarterback came in
Speaker 1: and played within the pocket. And that's the problem that
Speaker 1: Hurts had everything that flashed on him. He was out
Speaker 1: and guys, weren't you know, he just wasn't handling the situation.
Speaker 1: They will not play they in the SEC. They will
Speaker 1: play some teams that have some really good defenses. George's
Speaker 1: defense is exceptional. It really really is exceptional. And so
Speaker 1: with that being said, though, he had to make a
Speaker 1: switch there, and I don't I go back to great
Speaker 1: coaches know when to make changes. Yeah, they had the
Speaker 1: pulse of their team. They had the pulse of the team.
Speaker 1: They see the direction of the team and Mickey, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I hope So yeah, I was saying I was coughing
Speaker 1: at my point. But no. The thing about it is,
Speaker 1: I just feel like though that Nick Saban has a
Speaker 1: great and he has the ability because of the skins
Speaker 1: on the wall. He can go to the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: to the staff and say, all right, we're getting the
Speaker 1: kid ready in the second half, and they they flip it.
Speaker 1: They flipped there. Okay, now we can throw the ball
Speaker 1: down the field. But what happened with Alabama they were
Speaker 1: able to make more place from the pocket and then
Speaker 1: when he had to run, he had the escape play
Speaker 1: where he got the first down, the fourth down play. Mickey,
Speaker 1: it was right that ball was going to somebody else.
Speaker 1: Ridley just made a hell of a play. You know what.
Speaker 1: I'm on the flip side. I know we got to
Speaker 1: get back to cowboys. But that's all right, what d
Speaker 1: Dave told us, good good, good, No Sony Michelle got
Speaker 1: one no carries in the fourth quarter. That's the problem
Speaker 1: you have. Now. On the other side, that's the flip side,
Speaker 1: I'd stay coaching. I mean, wow, he when they when
Speaker 1: he had the ball, it was gold for them. They
Speaker 1: tried to get cute. They started cute, they started the
Speaker 1: what did they call it, the wild dog or yeah,
Speaker 1: it worked once Yeah, although the touchdown, it's good play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're gonna keep doing it. Well, they that could
Speaker 1: say when they hand the ball to Michelle that you
Speaker 1: could see and that's why a lot of people have
Speaker 1: him where they do him. And you know, the the
Speaker 1: Auburn kid Johnson. I mean, there's some backs in this
Speaker 1: sec the you know geist You got to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on a lot of these sec backs. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think taking the ball out of Michelle's hands was
Speaker 1: was you look at the you look at how they
Speaker 1: were going, and then all of a sudden they had
Speaker 1: the sack that knocked him out of knocked him off
Speaker 1: off kilter there a little bit. But sometimes these coaches
Speaker 1: again we talk about the really smart ones and we
Speaker 1: talk about the ones that why do you make that decision? Again,
Speaker 1: That's where I feel like, you have to know the
Speaker 1: condition of your team. You have to know when to
Speaker 1: go for it, you have to know when to punt it.
Speaker 1: I think Seattle did a good job against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They knew that, hey, their own offense wasn't going to
Speaker 1: move the football. What do you do? Keep the Cowboys back?
Speaker 1: Make the cow you know, make them have to do
Speaker 1: something different, and you win the football game. Hey, I
Speaker 1: like it. We're talking about SEC and we're talking about coaches,
Speaker 1: and he brought up the Cowboys at trying to go
Speaker 1: to Columbus Missouri, Columbia, Columbia. See, haven't been there, haven't
Speaker 1: been there? What would take me there? Maybe to visit
Speaker 1: my old friend Derek Dooley, who has now been promoted
Speaker 1: to their offensive coordinator, and he will be leaving the
Speaker 1: Cowboys as the wide receivers coach, quarterback coach, and quarterback coach.
Speaker 1: Of course, yes, you got to have a quarterback to coach. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that kid hadn't made his decision. He better stay.
Speaker 1: Micky's going to be on Derek Dooley. But what do
Speaker 1: you guys think about that move? Of course we only
Speaker 1: another confirmed move is Loney to retire. Of course, Steve Loaney,
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach, will be retiring. He has made
Speaker 1: that clear. And then presumably this still kind of within
Speaker 1: rumor because nothing has been official. Wade Wilson, I can
Speaker 1: confirm that. Okay, So Wade Willson out. I think I
Speaker 1: think the rumor with Dooley was for a while. I
Speaker 1: think he had the itch to go back to college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a chance to I think re up last
Speaker 1: offseason and chose not to. I think it's something he
Speaker 1: was always looking at, maybe getting back into college. So
Speaker 1: it's think he was looking for more responsibility to ye,
Speaker 1: to kind of be his own guy again and and
Speaker 1: maybe take a route to get another chance coaching in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is once you've been a head coach and you've
Speaker 1: tasted that, you know, you've had that drink. You kind
Speaker 1: of going back and trying to resuscitate your career is
Speaker 1: a little bit of Okay, something you have to do.
Speaker 1: We're going to see it with Josh McDaniels. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can end up as the head coach with Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: but he had to go back. He had to find
Speaker 1: a way to kind of re re established and re established,
Speaker 1: reinvent guy's a good word. Mickey, re established his name,
Speaker 1: the credibility, you know, Eric Dooley, You look at what
Speaker 1: they were able to do, you know, receiver wise, it
Speaker 1: didn't show up last year, but you look at with
Speaker 1: Beasley and Dez Bryant, guys like that. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: done what he had to do. It looked like, you know,
Speaker 1: you had does Bryant sideline outburst and stuff. Dully, you
Speaker 1: know he handled I mean that's a lot of egos
Speaker 1: in that room, a lot of egos, and you know
Speaker 1: that's that's something. But you know, once these guys get
Speaker 1: that taste of being a head coach, it's it's okay,
Speaker 1: how can I get back to that level? And you know,
Speaker 1: Dully will do. I think he'll do a fine job
Speaker 1: at Missouri, I really do. I think he's a very
Speaker 1: bright coach. You know, he's he's very well respected and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if he gets another opportunity at East Carolina
Speaker 1: or Louisiana Tech or one of those places, much like
Speaker 1: you know Lane Kiffin has done. You know at Florida Atlantic,
Speaker 1: he next thing. I mean he signed a big deal.
Speaker 1: But you never know. At Saving Coaching tree Man, Yep,
Speaker 1: it's it's vast. Yeah, just tell them make sure you're
Speaker 1: patient with all those young Mickey's there in Jay school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's part of the education. As to mckheemy, just keep
Speaker 1: coming out of there. Yeah. Well, with the issues with
Speaker 1: the wide receivers you had this last year, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you see that impacting the position with the
Speaker 1: new yea, I'm glad you went that direction. And you know,
Speaker 1: This is my hope for the Cowboys. I hope that
Speaker 1: they're they do and usually you'll get assistance that come
Speaker 1: from programs that have been released, maybe the Colts, the Bears,
Speaker 1: Arizona guys like that. You know, you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to the Raiders, you know, you have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: maybe hire somebody. I hope for the sake of the
Speaker 1: staff that they do go that route of outside and
Speaker 1: nothing against uh, you know, Valero and guys like that.
Speaker 1: They're the young coaches here and I understand trying to
Speaker 1: get elevated and get promoted, but I hope for the
Speaker 1: sake of having different ideas. I hope for the sake
Speaker 1: of of back and forth. Hey, at this place, we
Speaker 1: did this, you know, receiver wise, route wise, maybe you're
Speaker 1: coming from a place. Maybe you get a guy that
Speaker 1: is very well respected as a teacher first and then
Speaker 1: his ability to interact with the players, but come up
Speaker 1: with ideas to say, and this is their down package,
Speaker 1: this is what we did. Well, you guys are pretty
Speaker 1: good at that. Well, tell me about you know. I
Speaker 1: hope that they that that that that transpires with how
Speaker 1: they rebuild this coaching staff, because it's gonna be several
Speaker 1: openings on it as well. Absolutely, and I think I
Speaker 1: think that's their intention, counter to what everybody's trying to
Speaker 1: report here lately. UM. I think that they're going to
Speaker 1: take their time and they're going to search what's available
Speaker 1: and see what their options are, and not just saying, okay,
Speaker 1: you get this job, right, get this job. I think
Speaker 1: that they'll do a thorough suit diligence and look, they
Speaker 1: know people right, right, will knows people yes, uh so,
Speaker 1: And they're obviously listening to Steven yesterday. They're in no
Speaker 1: hurry to do any of this stuff because you now
Speaker 1: everybody wants no, well what are you gonna do with this?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with that? And Stephen goes,
Speaker 1: I think we're only one week away from the season ending,
Speaker 1: and you just don't make emotional decisions. You can make
Speaker 1: emotional decisions on Twitter if you want, you know, and
Speaker 1: and whatever else in the paper or whatever, but you
Speaker 1: got to sit back and kind of look at the
Speaker 1: whole picture before you start doing things, and look and see,
Speaker 1: what what are my options at at at at wide
Speaker 1: receiver coach? You what are my options at the quarterback coach?
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of options out
Speaker 1: there that they have to consider. We've seen this staff
Speaker 1: go through January through the Senior Bowl until they made
Speaker 1: decisions on staff. In fact, they've held interviews at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl before with coaches that kind of congregate there.
Speaker 1: It's almost like an unofficial job. Fair at times, it is.
Speaker 1: It wasn't hard for yeah a minute, Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: almost is an official job. Sad, saddest things you'll ever
Speaker 1: see that in scouts. Yeah, walking around it's going on
Speaker 1: now too. Yeah, I think that, you know, Mickey, I
Speaker 1: like what I'm hearing because Mickey obviously has got this
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of what's going on on that
Speaker 1: side of the building and next. I appreciate that. I
Speaker 1: wonder though, like I said to me, like the Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore stuff, Yeah, talk to him if that's what you
Speaker 1: want to do. But you know, if you if there
Speaker 1: are other ideas out there, by all means, explore those
Speaker 1: other ideas, try and try and think of things if
Speaker 1: you want to, if you really want to shake some
Speaker 1: things up, and I mean shake it up in a
Speaker 1: positive way, I don't mean the same. Okay, let's just
Speaker 1: keep doing this, doing this, doing this because the head,
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, wants to do it this way. I
Speaker 1: think having other ideas coming into the building always does
Speaker 1: things better for you. And I think Steven yesterday when
Speaker 1: they basically acted like when they were asking the questions
Speaker 1: on one oh five three the fan that Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: was the quarterbacks coach, he said, well, that's not true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing's been finalized. So that tells me that they're there.
Speaker 1: They are their planet. And he said it. They're planning
Speaker 1: on talking to him, But that doesn't mean he's going
Speaker 1: to be the guy. He could be the assistant assistant
Speaker 1: quarterback coach. Yeah, like Colombo is king bring a guy along.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's going to be the guy telling
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott what to do. Now, if you get in
Speaker 1: a bind and you don't find what you're looking for,
Speaker 1: well you've got Jason Garrett on the staff. You've got
Speaker 1: Scott Linahan on the staff. Those guys can take care
Speaker 1: of the quarterback U. So yeah, some thoughts that maybe
Speaker 1: that was going on. Yeah, I think that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and nothing. I love Wade Wilson, I really
Speaker 1: really do. I can understand a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's one of the reasons why you have Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He did the leg work on him, so give him
Speaker 1: credit for that. But really the last three years, I
Speaker 1: mean it seems like to me watching practice, Scott Linahan
Speaker 1: has a big hand in what goes on with the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks here. You know, maybe Wade Wilson runs the meeting.
Speaker 1: Oh look at who's still here at Kellen Moore. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. Well, a lot of people, these rumors
Speaker 1: of Kellen Moore going into coaching, I don't even enough
Speaker 1: that you can call them rumors. I think he's expressed
Speaker 1: it himself. You know last year when he had his injury,
Speaker 1: he really enjoyed doing all of that, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of helping out where he could. You look at two
Speaker 1: if I'm right, Mickey and rob On Taylor, I think
Speaker 1: that when they signed their futures, he was not one
Speaker 1: of the practice guys. He wasn't And can he has.
Speaker 1: He'd been in the league long enough to where he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I haven't double checked that. If he's can he be
Speaker 1: a future guy. But you're right, and Stephen said on
Speaker 1: the radio yesterday that he does. Kellen he thinks does
Speaker 1: as expressed, he wants to be a coach, now, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that would you know. That's and he's from a
Speaker 1: football family. His father coached him in high school, was
Speaker 1: a four time state champion in the Washington State. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna take you one more. It's kind of
Speaker 1: in his blood. His grandfather was a pretty renowned high
Speaker 1: school basketball coach in the Chicago area. It's a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I found out after I did research on
Speaker 1: him that his grandfather actually in the fifties coached at
Speaker 1: my high school. Wow, Kellen helped with the MAVs too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he chipped in, all right, So there there's some coaching
Speaker 1: bloodlines there. And you know, when he was on IR
Speaker 1: last year, they don't take IR guys to the Way games,
Speaker 1: but they brought him. He was helping kind of an
Speaker 1: ad hoc coach. So yeah, I'm sure they would like
Speaker 1: to keep him and groom him, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're just automatically giving him the job. My people here
Speaker 1: who have been here so long long enough to know
Speaker 1: this answer to this question. Wade Wilson when he was
Speaker 1: hired on obviously played for the Cowboys. How was that
Speaker 1: How did he kind of transition into coaching? You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize that Wade Wilson did
Speaker 1: in fact play for the cow Yeah, but he actually
Speaker 1: played nineteen years in the league. It was he was
Speaker 1: some guy off the street nineteen years. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: Wade when he finished up and then came here. He
Speaker 1: was with Jack Riley and that Dave Campbell administration that
Speaker 1: we all went through. And then then he went away
Speaker 1: from Chicago for about three years, three or four years,
Speaker 1: and then came back. So yeah, he's he's been around.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a ton of respect for him,
Speaker 1: I really really do. I he's a he's a guy
Speaker 1: that I always thought he had a really good eye
Speaker 1: for quarterback play. And I mean he's been around some
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks in his life as a backup guy, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot like Jason Garrett. He's been around some some
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks in this day. So I you know, I
Speaker 1: always respected a guy at that. But again, I think
Speaker 1: that his time was not really coaching the last three
Speaker 1: years since Scotland hands man, I think that's been frustrating
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, but it was frustrating. You know. It
Speaker 1: was funny about Wade is he really he really enjoyed
Speaker 1: that aspect of the job. You know, how long was
Speaker 1: he a quarterbacks coach in the league where that was
Speaker 1: his one job. I think he's had oppres He's had
Speaker 1: opportunities to be a coordinator, maybe even a head coach,
Speaker 1: and he just kind of enjoyed that role that he
Speaker 1: was in. So, um, you know, it issues to fill.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, I will say, Dak if Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: does become the guy. DAK has been highly complimentary of
Speaker 1: what Callen has provided in terms of just advice. Dac
Speaker 1: is a coachable guy. Yeah, yeah, Well, let's get to
Speaker 1: some of the rumors and much more when we come
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Speaker 1: who knows it, Waid Wilson gone, we'll miss you, a
Speaker 1: big guy. But then there are a few other rumors
Speaker 1: are and don't let me add one thing to that too.
Speaker 1: So when I talked to him, I was like, you
Speaker 1: plan on retiring? And he says, well, he goes, if
Speaker 1: the if the absolute perfect exact job came up, he said,
Speaker 1: I'd consider it, he goes, but I'm he goes, I
Speaker 1: think my number one priority right now is taking care
Speaker 1: of my health. Yeah, that's great. So you know thirty
Speaker 1: so nineteen and seventeen. That's thirty six, right, thirty six
Speaker 1: years in the National Football League. Yes, originally picked up
Speaker 1: by the Vikings in the eighth round, two hundred and
Speaker 1: tenth overall in the nineteen eighty one NFL draft. As
Speaker 1: he said, not bad for a little kid from Commerce, Texa.
Speaker 1: Not at all. He's a pro bowler, y'all. Bowl heck
Speaker 1: of a playing career too, by the way, Yeah, super
Speaker 1: Bowl champ. He's got a ring that not any of
Speaker 1: us have. So you gotta give okay, Brian, oh sold,
Speaker 1: Brian short, Brian, you haven't been wearing it. I forgot
Speaker 1: glaring in the eye. Where's it been? Man? I don't know?
Speaker 1: Man work in these Cowboys shows. People are your packer ring.
Speaker 1: People don't kind of Hey, take to you very well.
Speaker 1: Pombine week, you gotta rocket, Oh you know that. Some
Speaker 1: GM stuff and now the Cowboys. Cowboys fans always love
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know Will McClay. But everyone
Speaker 1: who's listening to this podcast doesn't know who Will McClay is.
Speaker 1: And so that makes you knowledgeable on the fact that
Speaker 1: he is great. And a lot of other teams know
Speaker 1: that and oftentimes they want to poach him. But the
Speaker 1: latest rumor, of course, Rick Smith out at Texans to
Speaker 1: for some family issues and Will McClay was an obvious
Speaker 1: choice there. Well he's one of the one of six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got they they're going to consider him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And the story there is really more about you said,
Speaker 1: Rick Smith's wife has breast cancer. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's taking a year leave of absence. He told the
Speaker 1: ownership there, Hey, if you need to get a general manager,
Speaker 1: will get a general manager. And so, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brian is in a situation right now where he
Speaker 1: and Rick Smith really weren't seeing eye to eye on
Speaker 1: some things, so he's taken a step back. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: then now you have the head coach is involved in
Speaker 1: the search, and the head coach has this guy, a
Speaker 1: guy named Brian Gaine who was here at one time
Speaker 1: with Jeff Ireland. He was at Houston at one time,
Speaker 1: left to go to Buffalo last year and the thought
Speaker 1: of bringing him back. He's the first guy that's gotten
Speaker 1: interviewed there, but they have several guys they want to
Speaker 1: interview and Will McClay being one of those. Now, Mickey
Speaker 1: I talked to Will yesterday myself and asked him, as
Speaker 1: anything changed from the statement that you gave the other
Speaker 1: day where you haven't heard from the Texans and that
Speaker 1: was yesterday, and he said, no, I have not, So
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've heard from the Texans or
Speaker 1: not that on that front. But yeah, he Will is
Speaker 1: from Houston. He has family there, his mother, his brother
Speaker 1: lived there, and uh, you know that's a you went
Speaker 1: to Rice. Yeah, so obviously it's a it's a situation
Speaker 1: where it's a hometown team and you know, if he
Speaker 1: gets the opportunity to interview there, I'm absolutely positive he
Speaker 1: will blow them away, and Stephen, when asked about it, said,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming will will be here until I hear something different.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Will's point on Sunday when this came out,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a report out of Houston from a
Speaker 1: very reliable, long time reporter John McClane, Yeah, that he'd
Speaker 1: informed the Texans that he wasn't interested in the job.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the case, Willson was. He hasn't. He can't
Speaker 1: comment on any of that because technically he has not
Speaker 1: heard from Houston at all. There's just been reports that,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said, there's a there's a list of what six,
Speaker 1: so he's on that list, and uh, maybe he'll hear
Speaker 1: from him. I don't know why they wouldn't. He'd be
Speaker 1: a heck of a of a choice. But obviously the
Speaker 1: Cowboys really value what he does here. He is one
Speaker 1: of the most fascinating humans. I mean, just to know
Speaker 1: his background story, the way he finds these players, what
Speaker 1: he thinks. He's figured out the triangle here, and it's
Speaker 1: to have success, you have to figure out the angle.
Speaker 1: At the point of the triangle is the Jones is
Speaker 1: one of the on the right side is the coaches.
Speaker 1: On the left side is the scouts, and he's in
Speaker 1: the middle of the triangle. And Will does a great
Speaker 1: job of managing all that's within the triangle. He has
Speaker 1: people that hate him, and I mean this in a
Speaker 1: nice way. I don't mean this hate. But he has
Speaker 1: people that that question him, whether it be the Joneses,
Speaker 1: the coaches, and the scouts. So it's not playing a game.
Speaker 1: But he does a great job with his personality and
Speaker 1: his knowledge of managing the triangle. And that's to have
Speaker 1: success in this organization, you have to be able to
Speaker 1: manage the triangle. And he's done it better than than
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that have been that have been
Speaker 1: in that chair before him. And you know, and if
Speaker 1: you think about it, I mean, unless you're chasing a
Speaker 1: title that says GM's, he's got a pretty good situation here.
Speaker 1: They kind of take care of them. I try to
Speaker 1: keep them. The thing that I would that personal men
Speaker 1: want to do is to run their own operation. And
Speaker 1: I know they take care of him. I'm totally with
Speaker 1: you on that. The Joneses are outstanding the work with
Speaker 1: I do think though, that as a as a guy,
Speaker 1: he would like to run his own organization. I think
Speaker 1: he would like to make his own decisions. He'd like
Speaker 1: to be able to hire maybe his own coach. He'd
Speaker 1: like to have his own fifty three man roster. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he does a heck of a job for what he's
Speaker 1: asked to do here. He does a tremendous job. He
Speaker 1: does have a lot of cloud here, right, Absolutely sure
Speaker 1: he does. There's a downside with that too, because then
Speaker 1: you got to take all the blame. You know what
Speaker 1: you will to get the opportunity. You'll take the blame,
Speaker 1: all right. Jerry Jones used to say this, and he
Speaker 1: used to say to Larry Lacewell. He said, Lace, I
Speaker 1: hate it the fact that people blame you for the
Speaker 1: personnel problems. He goes, I want to take the blame,
Speaker 1: but he also wants to get the credit when things work,
Speaker 1: like when he won the award for a Front Office
Speaker 1: for Executive of the Year that I remember talking to
Speaker 1: Jerry at the Senior Blow after he won that award,
Speaker 1: and he was as proud of that as any other
Speaker 1: award I think he's ever gotten, maybe a super Bowl
Speaker 1: because it came from the media people that have bashed him. Ever,
Speaker 1: it gave him, It gave him credibility. It gave him
Speaker 1: credibility for one year. Yeah, and then he got stupid.
Speaker 1: Well that's yeah, but that's you know, that's kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: that's always going to be the way. But for that
Speaker 1: one year, he you know, people recognized him that his way,
Speaker 1: that this was the right way to do things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I just think that, you know, and you
Speaker 1: do you want to have You want to have that
Speaker 1: ability to to to run your own operation. And will
Speaker 1: McClay if he gets that opportunity, there's no doubt in
Speaker 1: my mind, he will do an outstanding job wherever he goes,
Speaker 1: if he goes, if he in fact leaves the Cowboys, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and other rumors that a lot of people are talking
Speaker 1: about rich Bessaggia, who could be led out of his
Speaker 1: contract to pursue other coaching opportunities. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are looking at him chasing the raiders. He is, that's
Speaker 1: going to be the deal. Yeah. He and he and
Speaker 1: John worked together in Tampa, and so that opportunity will
Speaker 1: present himself. John's kind of got his staff together as
Speaker 1: far as his coordinators, and so it sounds like a
Speaker 1: couple of those could be announced as early as today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might even announce John. They might even announce it
Speaker 1: before John actually takes the job. That's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: So yes, hey they're moving to Vegas. I get it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, two years in Oakland still and then two
Speaker 1: and then the next two more years, two two more years,
Speaker 1: two more years. Yeah, twenty awkward situation. It is awkward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what though, you guys were there, Tell me
Speaker 1: about that fan base. Okay, fan base at the game.
Speaker 1: A lot of Cowboy fan what was that? Mickey was
Speaker 1: welcomed with open arms into that black hole? So but
Speaker 1: I'm asking was there a lot of Raider fans or
Speaker 1: even yeah, there was, even though they think they knew
Speaker 1: that was the last well, I think they were thinking
Speaker 1: this could be the last well, it was the last
Speaker 1: home game of the seat, right, But I'm asking though
Speaker 1: back see to me, if I was the Raiders and
Speaker 1: in ten thousand people were sure up for the game, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have just took the operation to San Diego
Speaker 1: because there's more. There's more Raider fans in southern California.
Speaker 1: There was a good fifty thousand. Yeah. See that's I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They still have interest even though that they've put shovel
Speaker 1: in the ground in Las Vegas. We pulled in and
Speaker 1: the parking lots were packed with people tailgating, a lot
Speaker 1: of birds the bus. You know, some some fingers to
Speaker 1: the bus and you know they've got that upper deck
Speaker 1: tarped over right, They're they're not gonna have a huge crowd,
Speaker 1: but that place was rocking in the second half when
Speaker 1: they started getting some momentum and get back in the game.
Speaker 1: That was That was a good atmosphere for a football game.
Speaker 1: This is what this is what Gruden's gonna do. He's
Speaker 1: gonna hold them over for two years until they make
Speaker 1: the transition. That's what they do. And they got to
Speaker 1: help their quarterback is another thing too. Well, hey, he
Speaker 1: got a good contract with it all right. Well, these
Speaker 1: guys were great and they helped me today. Get you guys,
Speaker 1: some guys you need to look at. Bounceback boys. I'll
Speaker 1: start with you, Rob because you had two bees. I
Speaker 1: did double bee Bailey and Beasley. Bailey and Beasley. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Bailey. Okay, okay, why does he need to
Speaker 1: bounce back? Well, I mean, he had the most forgettable
Speaker 1: month of his career by far, coming off the growing injury,
Speaker 1: and it's gotta be a weird situation for him to
Speaker 1: come back from that injury, have the struggles he's had
Speaker 1: and not have the opportunity to work himself out of it.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's the best thing for him is to
Speaker 1: take the off season and try to regain some sort
Speaker 1: of rhythm kicking the ball. Yeah, but it was alarming
Speaker 1: for sure. I think he was seven of seven the
Speaker 1: first half of the season had the growing injury, and
Speaker 1: then was eight of thirteen, which is so uncharacteristic. Two
Speaker 1: missed extra points. He was wide right against Seattle and
Speaker 1: he was wide left against Philadelphia, which shows you it's
Speaker 1: it's like a golf swing. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: all over the play. The distance that he missed was alarming.
Speaker 1: Points the distance he missed from I think was the
Speaker 1: most alarming. Yeah, you can deal with the giants ones
Speaker 1: that were fifty yards and yeah, and it was windy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the comdecions, but yeah, the short ones, he doesn't miss those,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't miss those. He Dan Bailey doesn't
Speaker 1: miss extra points, Rob And I think you're absolutely right
Speaker 1: about that. I think that to me, that's the thing
Speaker 1: that was just you know, when he's missing twenty five
Speaker 1: yard field goals and thirty three yard extra points, I
Speaker 1: think that's say something is clearly wrong with tho. Is
Speaker 1: it alarming enough to bring in a kicker in the spring.
Speaker 1: I think I think you do. Yeah, right, I think
Speaker 1: you do. You got to kind of cover yourself. You
Speaker 1: do have to think absolutely, let him have some competition.
Speaker 1: You have to figure this out. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think you want a kicking derby coming through here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you want to figure out though, the best
Speaker 1: way to do things. It's crazy that we've reached that
Speaker 1: point with him because he's been so automatic and he's
Speaker 1: still the second all time leading field goal percentage guy.
Speaker 1: I asked Garret about him in the last press conference
Speaker 1: of the season and he said, you know, he's just
Speaker 1: got to reflect on who he is and and remind
Speaker 1: himself how good he is and try to get back
Speaker 1: in a rhythm. And they're they're confident that he will.
Speaker 1: But with kickers, you always have to see you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen it with other kickers. It can go south
Speaker 1: and it can stay south. So we'll see there. On Beasley,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked a lot about the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: When there's a lot of talk about Dez. When you
Speaker 1: look at Beasley, he led the team and catches last
Speaker 1: year was seventy five. He dropped to thirty six this
Speaker 1: year and that's his lowest total since his rookie season
Speaker 1: when he only played ten games. And there are a
Speaker 1: lot of different reasons for it. He still had four
Speaker 1: touchdowns in the season, but I think he just had
Speaker 1: a lot more attention paid to him. You know, he
Speaker 1: got bracketed a lot, he got doubled, he got you know,
Speaker 1: they would teams would devote their best dB to stop
Speaker 1: him in the middle of the field. And I don't
Speaker 1: know how much of it is scheme or how much
Speaker 1: of it is him, you know, finding other ways to
Speaker 1: get open. But that hurt them because I thought in
Speaker 1: Dak's rookie season he was such a safety valve for
Speaker 1: Dak and the production just wasn't there this past season.
Speaker 1: It's something they've got to look at because because he
Speaker 1: can give them something in the middle of the field underneath.
Speaker 1: At eleven sixteen am today, Cole Beasley announced that he
Speaker 1: is starting his music career. He yeah, this is for real,
Speaker 1: he has and I love what everything you said, but
Speaker 1: this is just something. In addition to this, he will
Speaker 1: be performing his debut single, eighty Stings, now available in
Speaker 1: all digital stores, is written and performed by Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: and produced by Victor faz faz I Hope, I pronounced that?
Speaker 1: Pha z Z Clark, how are you? And he has
Speaker 1: started his new entertainment company, Cold Nation Records. There you go,
Speaker 1: there you go? So yep, just want to let you
Speaker 1: play it right now? Is it edited? Yep? So there
Speaker 1: you go. Just what I want to tell you that.
Speaker 1: Well that's good. Yeah? Good. He has a fallback, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely does. Yes, he doesn't bounce back. Yes, that's a
Speaker 1: good point, Mick, all right, you're not Was it a
Speaker 1: bounce back for him or a bounce back for how
Speaker 1: they utilized him? Because if you remember, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons he caught all those passes the year before was
Speaker 1: out des missed a bunch of games. When you when
Speaker 1: you have half the production that you had the year before,
Speaker 1: I think I think he's a bounced back guy. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but are you saying he's got to play
Speaker 1: better or they've got to use him? But I said both,
Speaker 1: so they might need to scheme up ways to get
Speaker 1: him a little more involved. But I think he could.
Speaker 1: I think all these receivers, I think the charges to
Speaker 1: do a better job of giving Dak an open target.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we could say that about every
Speaker 1: receiver on this team. I'm about to say about one myself. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean Witton's numbers were down, Yeah, Terrence Williams numbers
Speaker 1: were down, Deza's numbers were down. There you go. Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler's numbers were down. Yeah. So I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: the third receiver, you don't normally catch seventy passes, but
Speaker 1: when your lead receivers missing how many games did he missed? Three? Four? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's last year. Okay, it's not. If he missed the
Speaker 1: whole season, then I would agree with you and say
Speaker 1: that's why he was the leading receiver. But he was
Speaker 1: obviously a main guy for Dak in his rookie year.
Speaker 1: I got Dams on the field or not. Yeah, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a bounce back guy for me. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: it's got to be let me question your answers. Go ahead, now.
Speaker 1: I said it's a bounce back system that they've got
Speaker 1: to be better overall throwing the football. Okay, Mick, well
Speaker 1: you are next. I am next, guys. I think we
Speaker 1: forget that Chaz Green has one more year on his
Speaker 1: contract or does so does he get a chance to
Speaker 1: bounce back? Uh? Steven said yesterday he'll be back. He
Speaker 1: did say that. That's what made me think of that.
Speaker 1: Now can he get back to working in the off
Speaker 1: season and training camp at one position? Not two? What
Speaker 1: position you want to mat? I still think he can
Speaker 1: play tackle, and obviously they did for three quarters of
Speaker 1: that Atlanta game. They wouldn't give up on it and
Speaker 1: we saw him do it. So can he can he
Speaker 1: recover or did one game put his career in the tank? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's a bounce back to me, right, because the most
Speaker 1: obvious bounce back ever. But okay, keep going. We can't
Speaker 1: be obvious. I didn't hear anybody else break it up.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just kind of went around whatever
Speaker 1: you guys said. Uh. And then the other one that
Speaker 1: I thought was and again I don't know it was
Speaker 1: because it was having to play two different positions. But
Speaker 1: I thought they would get more out of Malik Collins
Speaker 1: me too. I think he ended up with three three sacks,
Speaker 1: three and a half Sacks. I was expecting eight, I
Speaker 1: was two. I was expecting a potential Pro Bowl season.
Speaker 1: I was. I was right down that album he was.
Speaker 1: He was high on their lists. In quarterback pressures, he
Speaker 1: had like twenty five right, But he didn't have that
Speaker 1: many tackles either. I just thought he would be more
Speaker 1: of a an electrifying inside guy for them. And I
Speaker 1: know that he had to step aside for David Irving,
Speaker 1: but even when Irving was missing, he he just didn't
Speaker 1: do that. So I think you can get more out
Speaker 1: of him and we'll see where they end up putting him.
Speaker 1: Was he fully healthy? He was not. That foot bothered
Speaker 1: him that second half of the season quite a bit
Speaker 1: and you saw where he wasn't practicing fully all the time.
Speaker 1: So maybe he can get back to where he was,
Speaker 1: and I think that would be significant, especially whatever decision
Speaker 1: they decide on David Irving. Yeah, I like it all right,
Speaker 1: Well you've hinted at yours and yeah, we have a
Speaker 1: few minutes before we have to go to break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll make it quick. Does Brian I think does Bryant?
Speaker 1: And when you talk about the you know, the receivers,
Speaker 1: I think Mickey brings up a good point about the
Speaker 1: scheme and what needs to be done. Hey, Dez Bryant
Speaker 1: needs to get off on a good foot with whoever
Speaker 1: the receiver's coach is. I think if that guy can
Speaker 1: come in and help him. Duley tried to help him
Speaker 1: with the route running stuff. They've got to find ways
Speaker 1: scheme wise or maybe technique wise to get him more
Speaker 1: involved in things. You know, there was clearly not a
Speaker 1: connect there between Dak Prescott and Dez Bryant this year,
Speaker 1: whereas last year we saw it. I think there was
Speaker 1: some improvement at the end of the season where we
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of that, the ability to work.
Speaker 1: They need to get back to that whatever whatever was
Speaker 1: the final seven games in the playoff game last year.
Speaker 1: The twenty sixteen needs to be two and eighteen's version.
Speaker 1: That needs to happen right now. Again, does that help
Speaker 1: him with route running? Does that help him with scheme?
Speaker 1: Does that help him with just connection with the quarterback?
Speaker 1: Need him to be I don't see them messing with
Speaker 1: his money. I really don't. I see them playing this
Speaker 1: like they did Brandon Carr. I have nobody's whispering in
Speaker 1: my ear telling me that I just feel like that
Speaker 1: they don't not want to. They won't want to push
Speaker 1: future money out when they can get out of this
Speaker 1: deal here in a couple of years if things don't
Speaker 1: get better. My second guy is Anthony Brown. I think
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown needs to have anthy Brown's a very talented
Speaker 1: player as a rookie. We saw that when they took
Speaker 1: him off the field. He started making some improvements, though,
Speaker 1: as you know, instead of being a starter. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like it was a little bit of a wake
Speaker 1: up call. I think Anthony Brown needs to take whatever
Speaker 1: he did after the time they took him out of
Speaker 1: the lineup and kind of put that in like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel that way anymore. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be He needs to try and once again
Speaker 1: be a starter. It's gonna be tough, though. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. I think these rookies, you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about a Woozier, when you talk about Lewis,
Speaker 1: I think those are guys you're starters. He needs to
Speaker 1: be hungry again to try and get that his starting
Speaker 1: job back. So like to see him have a bounce
Speaker 1: back year and do some of the things that we
Speaker 1: saw in the second half, and he was getting closer
Speaker 1: to that. He was season ended, but let's see him.
Speaker 1: But he's got to do it. He's got to do
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Speaker 1: give us a little This is the intro Rob's Twitter poll.
Speaker 1: It might be the song to Rob's Twitter pool, play
Speaker 1: me some of that eighty stings. Just the debut of
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley. By the way, it is clean right if
Speaker 1: it's not debut, you're all over the age of eighteen,
Speaker 1: hopefully say a load. He missus slept, dont down, big headed,
Speaker 1: so I'm head straw had to be just to be
Speaker 1: headed to where I was going, Like my head gone,
Speaker 1: it said, I'm crazy, but I told him all that
Speaker 1: is no biggie bunch of dead wrong and the brawng
Speaker 1: one to be swept off up the don't swept him
Speaker 1: us off. A wonderfusslove to come from the mud. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mickey's part, I think is at it towards the end
Speaker 1: or thanks? Okay, yeah, you're in the music video though.
Speaker 1: For sure he's got to be the hype man Denny Oh.
Speaker 1: He is young guys like Missouri spags in the house
Speaker 1: and Missouri black top on the glasses and he's like
Speaker 1: he's in the corner just like raising the roof. What
Speaker 1: do you think grades on that grades? I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I last. I've tried. I've tried, I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Did you ever do the thing on
Speaker 1: one oh five three where they had you, Yes, they
Speaker 1: have you still have it? Well, what is it? They
Speaker 1: you have to wrap? You have to wrap a line? No,
Speaker 1: and I and I did and I forgot which one?
Speaker 1: I oh, we could dig that up. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I can't confine that find it? But I had to.
Speaker 1: I had to rap rap and I was so bad
Speaker 1: at it because I couldn't keep can't You gotta have
Speaker 1: some flow to it, as you guys say, right, I had.
Speaker 1: I had no flow. I mean I was terrible. But
Speaker 1: they put it to music and then yeah, find Mickey's
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure did that some they have it? You
Speaker 1: got some beats? Oh oh, I was terrible. Enjoyed kindle
Speaker 1: lamar last that's right. Yeah, shows you how much I know.
Speaker 1: He was watching the coach. I liked it so much.
Speaker 1: I went and listened to the coaches at halftime. Laman
Speaker 1: someone great careers right now, showing you what you need
Speaker 1: to know, all right. Rob Stroterpole got introduced by mister
Speaker 1: miss slept On. I think that's I need to look
Speaker 1: up the lyrics of this. Yeah, I want to memorize it.
Speaker 1: Look up Yeah, genius lyrics. Remember Jeremy Mincy was the
Speaker 1: last one to do this. He was he had what
Speaker 1: was his song, keep it one hundred or something something
Speaker 1: like that, and they played it a pretty six six
Speaker 1: sacks shade you're gonna be on his next distract? Heard
Speaker 1: that one more time? Yeah, he led the team in sacks. Okay,
Speaker 1: when do you have six? You hated MENSI and I
Speaker 1: don't know why I liked him? All right? Uh? Paul? Today,
Speaker 1: which of these spots is most important to address in
Speaker 1: the off season? And we talked about some of the
Speaker 1: guys that can bounce back, say one more time, which
Speaker 1: spot of these four? Okay, thank you is most important
Speaker 1: to address in the off season. Okay than four spots? Yeah,
Speaker 1: gotcha go. Linebacker, pass rusher, swing tackle, or wide receiver
Speaker 1: is their own fifth one? Whatever you want, kicker, all
Speaker 1: the you know, pass rush. I felt like this past
Speaker 1: year might be the best we've seen under Rod Marinelli's group,
Speaker 1: Nicky's guys, Tapper's coming back, He'll help there you go.
Speaker 1: But I put it in there because you can never
Speaker 1: have enough pass rush. And while it got better this year,
Speaker 1: I think it can certainly be a looted you know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, It's funny about this thing. You say,
Speaker 1: pass rusher. That will not be one of the questions
Speaker 1: when we have go into the training camp where the
Speaker 1: pass rush will come from? That always seems to be
Speaker 1: a when we get to our twenty questions and we
Speaker 1: get down to the very end, it's like, where's the
Speaker 1: pass rush going to come from? They had thirty eight sacks.
Speaker 1: That was an improvement. Absolutely, that's still middle of the pack,
Speaker 1: I bet in the league. Still you still want to
Speaker 1: see some development from the young guys. Taco you need
Speaker 1: to step in and obviously you expect Lawrence to be back,
Speaker 1: but it scares you more Mickey the offensive tackle or
Speaker 1: the linebackers, which is going to hold you hostage? Well,
Speaker 1: number one, I gotta resign Hitchens. Yeah yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So let's just start right there and if that takes place.
Speaker 1: And Stephen spoke about that yesterday and it sounded like
Speaker 1: he wanted all three guys Sean Lee, Jalen Smith improving
Speaker 1: and Hitchens. He said, you have to have depth to
Speaker 1: get through an NFL season. It likes absolutely right about that,
Speaker 1: and he didn't and he didn't have it this last year.
Speaker 1: I think the way he put it, he said, between
Speaker 1: Sean and any linebacker corps, it's hard to keep everybody healthy.
Speaker 1: And he basically said, we do need three guys like Sean,
Speaker 1: Jalen and hitch So and it's made it sound like
Speaker 1: that that was one of their priorities to try to
Speaker 1: get him to resign. But I'll take the swing tackle.
Speaker 1: It just killed him, just absolutely ruined this offense that
Speaker 1: they couldn't replace Tyrann Smith. I'll tell you what the
Speaker 1: rob I wrote about it yesterday for your gut feeling,
Speaker 1: and I said, the one guy I thought that that
Speaker 1: the inconsistency, the miss was Tyrn Smith as much as
Speaker 1: as much as Sean Lee and all that, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't win a game without him on the field. I
Speaker 1: just point it's hard to say because I feel like
Speaker 1: that linebackers, he's talking about death. And you know, if
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones could pull it off and get Anthony Hitchin's done,
Speaker 1: good for him. But if he can't, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to look at that linebacker crew. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: look at that. I'd be your first round pick, might
Speaker 1: have to be. Yeah, I'm not saying the swing tackle
Speaker 1: is gonna be a first round pick. I didn't say
Speaker 1: you did say that, but I'll say it wants to
Speaker 1: be a priority. What if the swing tackle was the
Speaker 1: last player on the board at in their first round
Speaker 1: grades at nineteen? You know what I'm saying. What do
Speaker 1: you mean the last player on the board, like first
Speaker 1: round first round grades? Have they have eighteen first round grades?
Speaker 1: And say and mcclinchey, I'm just the one to name
Speaker 1: out there the Notre Dame tackle or O'Neill from Pitt
Speaker 1: they say he's a first round tackle. Would you consider
Speaker 1: a first round tackle at nineteen if he was your
Speaker 1: last player on your first round grades? If he could
Speaker 1: play guard? You said that because with Flozell Adams and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, they did that. He can move inside
Speaker 1: and looking at start because I need a guard left guard,
Speaker 1: he needs a guard. Yeah, Cooper is a free agent. Yes,
Speaker 1: do this people, I look to trade down in that situation. People.
Speaker 1: I've I've kind of jumped on people on Twitter about
Speaker 1: asking me about moving Lyle Collins back to guard. You
Speaker 1: have to tackle play Collins at guard. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get I see your guys look, so I see everybody's face. Well,
Speaker 1: no and no, you and I had this discussion last
Speaker 1: week about versatility and can that be a curse? Like
Speaker 1: we talked about, oh how versatile Byron Jones is do
Speaker 1: you just need to leave him at one spot? Chaz Green?
Speaker 1: Last year Collins, you invested Collins, He just said that
Speaker 1: name too. You invested a year in moving Lyle to tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to see that through or you want to
Speaker 1: move him back again to guard. I think he was
Speaker 1: pretty well down the stretch. Yeah, it was he good
Speaker 1: enough to keep his guard spot though. See, That's what
Speaker 1: I think I've tried to tell people is that once
Speaker 1: once that Ron Leary got the job, Ron Learry didn't
Speaker 1: let go of the job, you know, I mean he
Speaker 1: it was it was basically okay, go get healthy and
Speaker 1: it was Wally Pip. Yeah, he was Wally Pip. I mean,
Speaker 1: was he good enough guard to want to move back
Speaker 1: to guard? Well, he never came back. He was he
Speaker 1: was out for the season one, n't he? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: the previous year, I mean no, I meant the yeah, No,
Speaker 1: you're right when he started the rights at guard. You're right,
Speaker 1: you're actually Larry got Wallypip two years ago because he
Speaker 1: got hurt by Lyle took they ran with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting question, but I would lean towards keeping
Speaker 1: him at tackle because I'm paying him like a tackle.
Speaker 1: He played his best football down the stretch when, by
Speaker 1: the way, he also was hurt. Am I wrong? Is
Speaker 1: your right guard about to be the highest paid offensive
Speaker 1: lineman you have, probably because he's the last one that's
Speaker 1: getting signed. Yeah. Yeah, So you're thinking about paying these guards?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I can't pay another guard, but I
Speaker 1: gotta find somebody that can maybe do both. I know
Speaker 1: I'm being greedy there, but that's my deal. He got
Speaker 1: t I want speedy receivers, but I well, I'm on
Speaker 1: that like wish list area over here because I saw
Speaker 1: what the fans voted, and you can announce that, but
Speaker 1: I know why they said that. You know, I was
Speaker 1: going to share that after you and the fans agree.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver forty percent, followed by swing tackle twenty seven percent,
Speaker 1: linebacker twenty six percent, pass rusher only seven percent. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the law, the law takes a little pressure. See this
Speaker 1: time last year, I guarantee you pass rusher would have
Speaker 1: been the first one. Yep, yeah, no question. But man,
Speaker 1: you better keep restocking that fridge because that's that's such
Speaker 1: a key to your defense. Yeah, not to mention Lawrence
Speaker 1: is technically a free agent. Party. See when they see
Speaker 1: that Lawrence, Yeah, they'll franchise him. No, I mean maybe
Speaker 1: next Oh yeah, eight after eighteen, I have to franchise him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can someone correct something for me? Can We were talking
Speaker 1: about some of the draft show. Can can the guy
Speaker 1: Washington get franchise the third time? I believe so. Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins thought twice was the rule. I thought twice was
Speaker 1: the rule as well. I should have looked it up.
Speaker 1: But we were talking about that and Dane was talking
Speaker 1: about but the number goes up to like thirty two
Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, because the franchise tag. It's either the
Speaker 1: average of the top five at that position, right or
Speaker 1: I want to say one hundred and of your last contract,
Speaker 1: whichever is greater. Yeah, when you just make a deal
Speaker 1: with the guy instead of trying to take him, feel
Speaker 1: like you appreciate him. Right, it's a thirty two million
Speaker 1: dollars for a season. I can't you know what I
Speaker 1: under The people are really this tired of the wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps here, aren't they. Terence Williams had zero touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley struggled because of coverage and scheme, and I
Speaker 1: pointed that out by the way. I mean, they can
Speaker 1: find ways to get him more open. I don't think
Speaker 1: he just decided he's not a good football. No, I understand.
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, I think I think all bounce back.
Speaker 1: I think your bounce back is right. I think and
Speaker 1: I but they can help him too, absolutely that. I
Speaker 1: think they can help all these receivers find way. Just
Speaker 1: like you said, you were talking about fine ways to
Speaker 1: do things a little bit differently. It seems like to
Speaker 1: me coming into the seat last season, wide receiver was
Speaker 1: not going to be a question. I think everybody was
Speaker 1: excited about the wide receivers. I think we said in
Speaker 1: training camp it might be their most deep position. So
Speaker 1: what happened, That's that's a good question. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what happened. Offensive line, the offensive line. Offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gave up four games, Tyrant Smith myths. They gave
Speaker 1: up nineteen sacks, nineteen nineteen out of thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that affects all those wide receivers. Agree, that affects the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I said it yesterday. My deal, my good feeling thing,
Speaker 1: and even though Sean Lee playing without Shaun Lee was
Speaker 1: no bargain either. That was just no, that was no bargain.
Speaker 1: I see why the fans say that though, And we're
Speaker 1: also sitting here on January like they're tired of Dez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably your storyline. Yeah, you know what, it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's the same. This is gonna turn out to be
Speaker 1: like it was with Tony last year. It's a question
Speaker 1: is gonna follow until they make an official decision, like
Speaker 1: what do you do? It does? That's that's the new
Speaker 1: offseason question. I just don't they don't do anything, then, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to answer you have to do you
Speaker 1: have to argue with me on everything else. I'm just everything. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you said, they say what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do it does? They don't have to say anything, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do anything with Dez. I'll say
Speaker 1: that again just because I tend to agree with you, man,
Speaker 1: I think they do. I think they're gonna play this
Speaker 1: like Brandon car I don't think they want to push
Speaker 1: any more money out in the future on Dez Bryant.
Speaker 1: They just let it go, just let him play. Just me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've already proven that to me. They everybody was screaming
Speaker 1: for Brandon cars money. They never never went after his
Speaker 1: money and never said anything. Well, he finally did take
Speaker 1: a pay cup, but it was a couple of years
Speaker 1: down the road. Oh yeah, so yeah, but he got
Speaker 1: money up front. Yeah, Rob bear with Mickey. It's very tired.
Speaker 1: He was staying up late watching the game, I think.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about this tape probably throughout the offseason
Speaker 1: until they make a decision or announce or don't announce.
Speaker 1: If you let him go, like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now you got a big hole at receiver, a big hole.
Speaker 1: And this he's twenty nine years old. He's not on
Speaker 1: the I don't think he's on the downhill of his career.
Speaker 1: I think he still has a chance to do some
Speaker 1: help in his prime. He's not thirty five years old.
Speaker 1: You let him go, and all of a sudden, that
Speaker 1: number nineteen pick very well could be devoted to a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. We talked about linebacker, we talked about tackle guard,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's why when you guys were talking
Speaker 1: about everything and you are and you were making great
Speaker 1: points about pass rushing guards and what you need to
Speaker 1: do to get your team to a spot where they
Speaker 1: can compete in the playoffs. You know, you didn't even
Speaker 1: mention wide receiver yet because there are a lot of
Speaker 1: other needs that cost a lot of money. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: have a championship team. It's either not you're dealing with
Speaker 1: you know, rookie deals or low end deals right here
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to pay up eventually Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 1: or you're paying a lot of money for it. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of wide receivers in this draft, by
Speaker 1: the way, is it a lot? Pretty deep? And with
Speaker 1: that before we close out you guys, another draft show Thursday, Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. I moved to two times a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two times a week and hopefully have everybody wants to
Speaker 1: pop on, come say hello, Tay. I know we're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine stuff with you and on the social side
Speaker 1: of it and kind of talk about these players. Mickey.
Speaker 1: You doing the social stuff with me too, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we'll do some coaches room, yeah, bela mus someone
Speaker 1: can miss it, can miss it. Thank you, guys. We
Speaker 1: will be back on another talking Tuesday next week. You
Speaker 1: see all those people arguing it amongst themselves, they're not
Speaker 1: even picking on me. They're picking on each other now,
Speaker 1: Oh Mickey leaves you with a hot one. He'll be
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