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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Henderson, and we are.

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Speaker 1: Bat in a thousand here with you today talking about one.

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Speaker 1: So that is such low hanging fruit. I could have

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Speaker 1: done something better.

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Speaker 2: Look, sometimes you gotta give yourself a break. Come on, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, I know it's there for the taking. Take it.

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Speaker 1: What is going on with you? Hi? Ben?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just banged my tooth on my

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Speaker 2: coffee cup right before we started recording. So that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Wait did you chip it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, thank god.

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Speaker 2: But you never know my teeth. My mouth is like

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Speaker 2: a Civil War graveyard, Like it's just crooked and rotten

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Speaker 2: and terrible, and I'm I spent all of my money

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Speaker 2: trying to fix it. So whenever anything happens out of swords,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that's probably gonna be a couple thousand bucks.

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Speaker 1: I know. That's why I was like, please don't chip

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Speaker 1: your tooth, because you've had a lot of mouth trauma recently, A.

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Speaker 2: Lot of mouth trauma, a lot of mouth surgery. Like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, but if I chipped it. The good

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Speaker 2: news about having an extraneous amount of dental work is

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Speaker 2: that chipping your tooth, root canals, fillings. Those are easy

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Speaker 2: peasy now compared to like implants.

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Speaker 1: Are you still okay so your implants are in or

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Speaker 1: you're still waiting for them.

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Speaker 2: Implants are in, then I have to get I'm getting

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Speaker 2: the teeth.

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Speaker 1: Next, right, because you have to wait for correct me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I've had a lot of root canals

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Speaker 1: and a lot of extensive don't work too, but the implants.

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Speaker 1: I've not had implants because of the wait time because

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Speaker 1: basically you have to like wait for the mouth to

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Speaker 1: accept the implant or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Eatly. Yeah, you have to see if your body will

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Speaker 2: accept the foreign device that's being jammed into your fucking jaw. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got permit if it doesn't, because that's an awful

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Speaker 2: lot of money and a lot of pain to go

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Speaker 2: through to discover that your face is like, nah, we

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Speaker 2: don't want this shit in here?

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Speaker 1: Will it?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Will it not work? Sometimes? Have you asked about that?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes? Yeah, for some people it just doesn't work. But

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Speaker 2: it worked for me thankfully, so I healed quickly. But

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Speaker 2: what was also weird is during the surgery, like well,

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Speaker 2: I was getting the implants. I didn't have them knock

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Speaker 2: me out because I drove myself there. Oh, and they're like, well,

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Speaker 2: if we knock you out, then you have to have

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Speaker 2: somebody like drive you to and from to pick you up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, nah, I'll just do it myself.

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Speaker 2: So I could hear them drilling into the jawline bone,

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Speaker 2: like I could hear them when they were like crunching

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Speaker 2: through the flesh of my mouth and then drilling into

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Speaker 2: the bone. Who I didn't feel it, but I could

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Speaker 2: hear it. Yeah. And then at some point I started

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Speaker 2: to feel little tinges, so I kind of stopped the dentist,

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Speaker 2: who's great. My dentist is great. So I stopped him

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I think I feel something and

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Speaker 2: he was like, oh, nope, got the needle. Basically, long

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Speaker 2: story short, my body apparently metabolized is anesthetic at an

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Speaker 1: Isn't it because of caffeine? Like if you drink too

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Speaker 1: much caffeine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is because I didn't have

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Speaker 2: I had a fast before I went in, Like I

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Speaker 2: So like he's like you just naturally and that is

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Speaker 2: some people do that, like you just naturally metabolize or

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Speaker 2: the numbing thing and an alarming rate.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm the same way. And I was always told

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Speaker 1: by my dentists that the reason why is because I

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Speaker 1: drink too much caffeine. Oh yeah, like shit, I could

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Speaker 1: be completely wrong. We are not doctors or dentists here.

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Speaker 1: And I saw what she did, but I was told, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was told that, you know, because I drink a

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Speaker 1: really the anesthesia doesn't work as well or something. I

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Speaker 2: That's shocking, and I'm I'm not willing to give up caffeine,

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Speaker 2: So I guess keep those extra needles ready.

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Speaker 1: I know we are, like on record, the most halffinated

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Speaker 2: Live, so I'm playing in podcasts of all time.

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Speaker 1: So apparently we have to get shot multiple times in

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and when they come at you with that

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Speaker 2: that double fingered needle, I don't know what it's called,

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Speaker 2: but it's like you have to put two fingers. It's

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Speaker 2: like that old timey like Steve Martin and Little Shop

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Speaker 2: of Horrors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they take your lip and they take

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Speaker 1: it and they like, shit, wiggle it like wiggle, wiggle, wiggle,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh no, not the wiggle, You're like,

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Speaker 1: they just take the Steve Martin shot and then pull

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are ten people that have already passed

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Speaker 2: out that are so afraid of the dentist and just

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Speaker 2: listening to us for the last few minutes. They've just

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Speaker 2: they're done. They have either fastbward or passed out. But look,

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Speaker 2: this is the reality, dude, when you start fixing your

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Speaker 2: genetically horrible face yeah and mouth. This is the fucking reality, dude.

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Speaker 1: I've never had a fear of the dentist. I have

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Speaker 1: the other issue, which is that I could go to

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Speaker 1: every day. But if you try to take my blood pressure,

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Speaker 2: Come at me with a pair of plyers and take

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Speaker 2: these molars. But do not put a simple plastic cuff

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Speaker 2: around my arm. Yeah, and squeeze it a little too

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Speaker 1: Do not clamp the oxygen thing on the tip of

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Speaker 1: my finger. But here, just remove the top part of

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Speaker 2: So trauma. Trauma works in mysterious ways. But how are

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Speaker 1: Ugh, I don't know, dude.

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Speaker 2: You're wearing an incredible T shirt right now? An incredible shirt.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you? Do you know how much it costs?

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Speaker 2: How much I have to say? I put on my

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Speaker 2: Uber list this year. One of the items on my

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Speaker 2: buy T shirts. Yes, I'm not allowed. I have too many.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have so many. I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: So no matter what it costs, if it costs more

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Speaker 1: Look, I am one hundred and fifty percent with you because, okay,

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Speaker 1: if you want to go back even further. This I

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Speaker 1: think was a problem from my teenage years, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you're the same, which is that I just went to

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Speaker 1: a lot of concerts. I bought a lot of band

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Speaker 1: just buying like literally whatever. Like it was almost like

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Speaker 2: Like I'm here? Why not?

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Speaker 1: And at the time in the nineties, a T shirt

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Speaker 1: And then if you got like a hoodie or something,

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Speaker 2: If they would even drag the hoodies out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, most of the time it was just the T

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Speaker 1: shirts or a pin. You'd be lucky if you got

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Speaker 1: a pin. Cut to I go and see Atlanta hero

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Speaker 1: Andre three thousand from Outcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, the original Alien, the.

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Speaker 1: Original Alien, Outcasts being maybe Atlanta's finest export, finest cultural export.

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Speaker 1: And I include Coca Cola in that they're better than

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Speaker 2: I mean they are shots fired, shots fired, shots fired.

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Speaker 1: So he I don't know if y'all know this. If

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Speaker 1: you don't, it would take two seconds to google. But

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Speaker 1: Andre three thousand is really in the flutes. He's a flute, flutist, floutest.

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Speaker 1: He's a floutist.

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Speaker 2: He's a floutist and.

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Speaker 1: Has decided to record almost kind of like an experimental jazz,

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Speaker 1: this new level now, and I am thrilled. I am

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Speaker 1: thrilled for him. This is so I know we talk

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Speaker 1: Let's just say, but to me, and I know Andree

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Speaker 1: three thousand hasn't technically lived in Atlanta for a long time,

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Speaker 1: but his family still hear you like he's from here, obviously.

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Speaker 1: But this whole thing about the flute era of him

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Speaker 1: And I have to say, right before the pandemic, I

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Speaker 1: went to that restaurant Cafe Gratitude. Have you ever been

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Speaker 1: to Cafe Gratitude and large mood. Oh yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: And they make you say when you order, like I'm

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Speaker 2: feeling abundant because the name of the dish is abundance.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling abundance, Yes, and then they bring you fun

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Speaker 2: stack of cold lasagna that's made from like the leaves

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Speaker 2: the multpile outside of the restaurant. Yeah, Like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: feeling abundant after this. I'm not feeling abundant after your

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Speaker 2: nineteen dollars apple juice shot. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's like you get a smoothie and have to order

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Speaker 1: the I have transcended to the next astral plane. That's

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Speaker 1: the name of the smoothie or whatever. It's so insane,

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Speaker 1: Like I kind of fucking hold space for that level

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Speaker 1: in your movie today, you're like, this is fucking ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: So what's wild is it? Is it is actually like

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Speaker 2: a place where you're always going to see a celebrity. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so I think Philly people will go there. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then they're like abundance and they're like, oh, could you

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Speaker 2: say it with the intention like abundance And they're like, uh,

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Speaker 2: could you say I am feeling abundance, and then like

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Speaker 2: tourists are just like the fuck I just came here

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Speaker 2: to see Chris Pine Yes show down on some kale.

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Speaker 2: It's hilarious. It's hilarious together.

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Speaker 1: Hilarious, Like imagine you've got now got a picture of

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Speaker 1: this place. So I'm with my friend who's vegan, that's

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Speaker 1: why we went there, and we're leaving the place and

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Speaker 1: we're like looking back at the restaurant and we see

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Speaker 1: Andre three thousand outside of Cafe Gratitude and Larchmont playing

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Speaker 1: a giant flute on the bench. And this was like

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Speaker 2: That is an incredible experience that you had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, of course I clocked him immediately

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Speaker 1: because I'm from Atlanta, and I was like, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: that's Andre three thousand playing the flute outside of Cafe Gratitude.

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Speaker 2: It's fuck. I bought a ticket to see a friend

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Speaker 2: It would make sense because it's the business that has

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Speaker 2: where concert tickets become an important part of the capitalist

434
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: cycle because they stop letting us pay for people's actual music.

435
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: Yes, so like if.

436
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: You're not earning on the CDs, the albums, the actual output,

437
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: then you have to make up that money somewhere.

438
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, that's like it's a reality of

439
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: pretty much any performer of this, even stand ups, even

440
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: people who like us who are doing podcasts, like touring

441
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: is pretty much the only place where you can make

442
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: actual money at this point for performances, and it's like, yeah,

443
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: so of course, Like, if this is the only way

444
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: to make money, then you're gonna have to charge more.

445
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking like, let's go back to being Fugazi

446
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: and charging five dollars a show, which, by the way,

447
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: I've been to a five dollars Fugazi show.

448
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: You're taking your life in your own hands, man.

449
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: But also the greatest value for the money I think

450
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: I've ever experienced in my.

451
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Life, one hundred percent five bucks. I mean, are you

452
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: gonna get trench foot if you go to the bathroom? Yes,

453
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: But will it be fucking worth it to see that

454
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: one of the greatest live bands of all time. Oh.

455
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: I was like, this is literally you cannot beat it.

456
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: And I don't care who you are. I don't care

457
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: if Mozart comes back from the grave and it's like

458
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm charging twenty five cents, I don't care.

459
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm still gonna go see Bugazi. Every fucking Pregozzi

460
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: for five bucks is wah beautiful, Oh my god.

461
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: But to me it's sad ultimately because it's like truth

462
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: be told for a long time, like concerts were like

463
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 1: annoying because I was I had gone to so many

464
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: as a young person, and then I was like, I

465
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with the shit anymore of like

466
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: standing around and you know, people being drunk, and you know,

467
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: it's like the experience. I think I sort of you know,

468
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: like sort of less was into as I got older,

469
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: but now I'm kind of back to wanting to go

470
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: to them. And now I'm like, oh, I would love

471
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 1: to go to more concerts, but holy shit, I cannot afford.

472
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: I cannot afford it, and I can't go unless I

473
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: really like them.

474
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, the discovery experience is weirdly done and I

475
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: hate that feeling. I hate it. And I know people

476
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: are going to write in and be like, oh, I

477
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: go to you know, just go to a city and

478
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: go into any club, Like I know there are ways

479
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: around it. You know, we've been doing this for a

480
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: long time. We know there are ways that you can

481
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 2: find very new bands or go see live music for

482
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 2: free in cities in a park or whatever. Like there

483
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: are ways around it. But we're talking about like you

484
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: want to go and see someone that you actually have

485
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: loved and respected for a long time. Yeah, Like, do

486
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: you know what it's like to exist on this planet

487
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: knowing knowing that I will literally never be able to

488
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: see Beyonce live. I know, I just I will never

489
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: be able to afford to see Beyonce live. Do you

490
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: know many tours she's done that I've been like I

491
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: can't go. Yeah, Like that is sad to as a

492
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: fan of Beyonce that I will literally never be able

493
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: to buy a ticket to see her because they start

494
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: at like seven hundred fucking dollars.

495
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why, like fucking people are watching BTS on

496
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: a live stream because it's like they can't even go

497
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: near a BTS concert because it's like four million dollars

498
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: to go to a Like if you're like a global

499
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: pop star like Beyonce, like Tar Swift like bts' is

500
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, you're like you have

501
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: to like sit in a part and watch it on

502
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: your phone. That's about as close as you can get,

503
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: you know.

504
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: So it's fucking wild. It is wild. Yeah, And even

505
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: if I could afford the tickets, I will never in

506
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: my brain, this is the other part of the problem

507
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: for me. I will never in my brain be able

508
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: to justify spending that much money for a concert. Yeah,

509
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: So let's say I feel like putting it on my

510
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: credit card or I have the dough whatever. I will

511
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: never be able to look at that amount of money

512
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: and think one ticket for one concert totally fine. I'll

513
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: be like, I need to get my car aligned, like

514
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: I need to fucking do eight hundred other things with

515
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: this amount of money. Yeah. Like, I can't literally cannot

516
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: justify it in my brain even if I had the

517
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: money to spend, which I never will.

518
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: Ye, You'll be happy to know that, in spite of

519
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: everything we've just said for this past half hour, I

520
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: did secure three eleven tickets for the summer.

521
00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: Okay, we are talking about this very hard. A few

522
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: weeks ago, on March eleven, three eleven day, Ah, I

523
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: discovered something that rocked me to my fucking core, which

524
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: my friend, your fucking podcast co host failed to tell

525
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: me for all of these years, and she's been talking

526
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: about three eleven to me, has never once dropped that

527
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: the lead singer is hot as shit. You think I'm

528
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: out here looking at three eleven videos in the year

529
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: of Our Lord twenty twenty four? Do you think I

530
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: was looking at them in two thousand and one or

531
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. I've never seen the band physically. I

532
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: only heard the music, and you have failed to tell

533
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: me that this otherfucker is hot as shit. And I

534
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: had to go down a Wikipedia hole because I'm like,

535
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: who is this man?

536
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: Like?

537
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: Where is he? Has he always been the lead singer?

538
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: Is this the same dude?

539
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: Yes, Nick Hexam is who you're talking about.

540
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: Nick Hexam is hot as shit. And let me tell

541
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: you what I found out that you didn't tell me.

542
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: Some more shit that you didn't tell me. I'm so

543
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: mad at you and chileiwa, I can't even straight between

544
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: the two of you. So come to find out he's

545
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: from Nebraska, Yes, which is not true. I do not

546
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: that is This is not true. I have been to

547
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: Nebraska several times. One of my best friends lives there.

548
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: I fucked with a Runza drive through. I've eaten a

549
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: whole meal off of a trash can lid at Famous

550
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Dave's several times. I hate Nobody in Nebraska looks like

551
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: this dude. Don't even fire up those fingers to email me.

552
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: There is nobody in Nebraska that looks like Nick Hexum.

553
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: So that is a lie. That I need to uncover.

554
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: But come to find out he delivered one of his

555
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: own children. The fuck is going on with this man?

556
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: How are you burying the lead this hard?

557
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: He is a fascinating weirdo who is hot, true renaissance individual.

558
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: I will say, I can't get over. I'm so mad

559
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: at you guys.

560
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I listen, what was I supposed to do

561
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: with me?

562
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: Like?

563
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: Hey, so this like reggae funk band that I still

564
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: love from high school. You should look up the lead singer.

565
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: He's super hot still to this day, he's still hot.

566
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: He's been hot, like for thirty years.

567
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: He's hot er because he's gray at like he's hot

568
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: or than he has ever been. I saw a clip

569
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: of him performing shirtless. I was lost my mind.

570
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: The whole band was shirtless for thirty years, like basically,

571
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and like he's the only one that's still shirtless for

572
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: the most part. I will say, no, tam Lines, he delivered.

573
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: His own child in his home. What the fuck yeah

574
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: is going on with him? Look, if you can send

575
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: me a picture of the Toxic Avengers smiling with teeth,

576
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: you could, at one point in the decades long friendship

577
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: send me a picture and just like, this is three eleven.

578
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: Just in case you didn't know, this is what I've

579
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: been talking about the whole time. We got aliens and

580
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: shit on the docket, and we're not posting a picture

581
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: of this man.

582
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm never entirely sure what is gonna, you know, simulate

583
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: in terms of the guys of whom I'm talking about,

584
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: because I'm like looking at Nick Hexam, going Okay, he's

585
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of a traditional haughty again traditional HATI like the

586
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: hottest guy in Nebraska, just like you said.

587
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, not my thing.

588
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: But is it like a Danielle haughty or is it

589
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: like two in the other direction? I was like, I mean,

590
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: he looks like he's kind of got a high ass.

591
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: He's like tall, right, he looks like he's got a

592
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: high ass. Yeah, what I love more than anything. I

593
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: am not attracted to the traditional hoti. Yeah, a traditional

594
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: HATI who's also a complete fucking weirdo who has been

595
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: making this music for thirty years, yeah, and delivering his

596
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: own children at home that I am fascinated by.

597
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: Well, and like, this can easily turn into a three

598
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: to eleven podcast, Like you are about two meters away

599
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: from the off ramp where this could literally because I'm ready.

600
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. In fact, I told Hialea, I

601
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: was like, anytime you want to start a podcast called

602
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: she eleven and w you and I talking about three

603
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: eleven all day, Let's go.

604
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,479
Speaker 2: Go and copyright that right the fuck now, and then

605
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: started immediately.

606
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: I had two names, she eleven and the other one

607
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: this is so inside baseball for three eleven fans, but

608
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: it's called The other potential podcast title was Who's Got

609
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: the Herba. I'm an idiot, I'm a total idiot.

610
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: However, genius, a fucking genius.

611
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: I do believe in female fronts had three eleven podcasts generally.

612
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: All right, so you have to start one and then

613
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: get them on the pod and then get me on

614
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: the zoom because I have so many questions. This is

615
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: a tip of the fucking iceberg. I don't even know

616
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: what the other freaks of that band are doing. One

617
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: of them looks like riff Raff from Rocky Horror.

618
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: It's not like my fandom is in that way where

619
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm like clocking all of the dudes and like what

620
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: they're doing. Clearly, I didn't even know that Nick Hexam

621
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: delivers children in the home.

622
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know that three and one of them, like

623
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: the dula was late, so he just like popped one

624
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: of his own kids out of his wife's fucking body.

625
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Listen, and the kid lived. The kid's fine. He lived fine.

626
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: The kid popped out.

627
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: And was like, my dad's hot. I must persevere.

628
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Look anyway I can get you in on the three

629
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: eleven cruise if this is the way it's gonna be

630
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: where you are, like, I just want to go on

631
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: the three eleven cruise with Millie because this guy so hot,

632
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: So be it.

633
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: This is what I.

634
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Wanted the entire time. I wanted you to be part

635
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: of the fandom.

636
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: I will go hornball out on a cruise. I am

637
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: forty six years old. What Bora has left for me

638
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: in this lifetime.

639
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: First of all, having said, just to wrap up this

640
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: entire intro, I will say this, I apologize for not

641
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: telling you that the leads Sagre of three eleven was hot.

642
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that did not happen.

643
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you had to pay eighty five dollars for

644
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: a T shirt where Andre three thousand is playing the

645
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: Fleet on it, even though it's a great shirt. Thank you,

646
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry for the mouth trauma that we've skilled

647
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: in people by talking about the dentist. But look, we

648
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: always go off topic. Yes, okay, whatever happens happens. Yes,

649
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: if you're a fan of the show, you know that

650
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna get what you're gonna get. Yeah, and you

651
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Speaker 2: got a lot.

652
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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a literal mouthful. All right, folks, we

653
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: got a theme. You'll immediately know whose name it is

654
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: when I tell you what the theme is, whether or

655
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: not it's Danielle's idea or mine.

656
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Speaker 2: Please do please do so.

657
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Speaker 1: The theme this week is called favorite Sports Movies Very creative,

658
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Speaker 1: so you know who named it.

659
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Speaker 2: Hey, Amy, I'm loving thinking about how people might have

660
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: been tying themselves in knots trying to guess what the

661
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: theme is. People are getting a little salty in the

662
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: comments on Instagram where they're like, I bet the theme

663
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: is I ran into the third build actor in a

664
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Speaker 2: cost Co once or something. They're getting real salty about it. Sorry,

665
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: never changing.

666
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Speaker 1: Stay mad. And also we love to troll you by

667
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Speaker 1: once in a while just dropping the fucking theme of

668
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Speaker 1: favorite sports movies. So yeah, quite obviously that's the theme

669
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Speaker 1: for this week. When you look at these two films

670
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Speaker 1: right off the bat. One of my favorite weeks we've

671
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Speaker 1: ever done period.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, this is a great one. It's an emotional rollercoaster

673
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Speaker 2: that we've been on this week. I watched them as

674
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Speaker 2: a true double feature. I forgot in your film. I

675
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: forgot how much it makes me want to cry, does it?

676
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god? There are so many moments where I

677
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: burst into tears. Oh my god, Yeah, I.

678
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Speaker 1: Kind of love that. Actually, I'll be curious to know

679
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Speaker 1: which ones they are.

680
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: Well, yours, Sar is sad Astra, and that's a be

681
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: able to make me break into tears at any moment.

682
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: I know sad Astra, whether it's a comedy or not,

683
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: sad Ashra's in there. But I just I love this

684
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: week because it makes me think about when I first

685
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: saw these films. It makes me think about playing sports

686
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: as a kid. It makes me think about all the

687
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: titlemind bullshit right now that people go through to play sports.

688
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: It makes it just makes me think about everything and

689
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: kind of the usefulness of sports. And you know why,

690
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: I still love these movies, like so many of these

691
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: movies so much, And there's like just something about, like

692
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, watching people overcome physically challenging things. That's interesting.

693
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just and again not even to

694
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: get too deep on it. Also, my movie has made

695
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: me laugh in so many different ways for so much

696
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Speaker 2: of my life, for like most of my life.

697
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a irrefutable classic. You really cannot

698
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: get more classic than your film. And I'm totally with you.

699
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean when it comes to sports movies. I mean,

700
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: I was like very sporty when I was a kid,

701
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Speaker 1: and I often actually talk about how my love for

702
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: collaboration is because of the fact that I played team

703
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: sports as a When I was first kind of a

704
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: little little kid. My parents were like dragging me to

705
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: like whatever. They were just kind of like throwing stuff

706
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: against the wall to see what would stick, which I

707
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: actually very much appreciate because really, I know, it's really

708
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: hard for parents to like do all the activities, and

709
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: both my parents worked, so I was just very very

710
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: happy that they allowed me to kind of just explore of,

711
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, activities. So I did like gymnastics and you know,

712
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: tap dance and shit like that, and I love dancing obviously,

713
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Speaker 1: but for some reason, I just really loved the team

714
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: sports stuff, Like I played softball, forever and ever and ever.

715
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Speaker 1: I played on my high school team, and you know,

716
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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like why sports movies a

717
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: lot of times are really meaningful and emotional sometimes for me,

718
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Speaker 1: is because I love the concept of people kind of

719
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: having to work together and you know, get off their

720
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: own like little ego trips and sort of come together

721
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Speaker 1: as a team and you know, like build something. And

722
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Speaker 1: I just was like always very inspire hired by that concept.

723
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think I bring it to my

724
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: everyday life. It's why I like co hosting podcasts and

725
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: co writing books and like doing things with other people,

726
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: like you know, like slumber Ground like whatever. It's because

727
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: I just, you know, like working with people, and I

728
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: think that comes from team sports for me anyway.

729
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the spirit of collaboration is definitely there, Yeah, for sure.

730
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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I also I didn't do

731
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Speaker 2: a lot of sports when I was a kid because

732
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: my grandparents didn't drive and they were not about to

733
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: take me half the things you need to do. But

734
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: I did grow up playing baseball and softball, and baseball

735
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: is my favorite sport hands down. Yeah, Like, if I'm

736
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: bound to watch or listen to anything, it's going to

737
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: be baseball. Yeah, So I just really Also I tapped

738
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: into something in your film as well this week, and

739
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: that kind of memory of how important it was for

740
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: me to remember stats when I was a kid, and

741
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: like how easily it came for me to be like

742
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: this guy's got the best Harbis and this and that. Yeah,

743
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: but then it also grew into more of a love

744
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: for seeing women play sports, Like as an adult, I

745
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: love watching the WNBA, and I love watching you know,

746
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: the US soccer teams, and like I just I love

747
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: I love seeing how that kind of expansiveness happened in

748
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: my sports watching life, yeah, and my support of sports.

749
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: So I think that there are some sports that are

750
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: still deeply troubling to me. Like I think that football

751
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: is it's shocking that you can just hit someone in

752
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: the head and body that much, like that's your job,

753
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: Like totally fucking shocking to me. But it just I

754
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: don't know. But same with hockey. Hockey's my probably my

755
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: second favorite sport after baseball. It's baseball, hockey, boxing, and

756
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: so boxing and hockey are fucking brutality experiments. Yeah, so's

757
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know, there's something really philosophically weird

758
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: about my my love for certain sports too.

759
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Who I know, and like it's crazy because the game,

760
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: those types of games have changed so much. And like

761
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Speaker 1: when I was watching your film this week, I was like,

762
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Speaker 1: how come none of these dudes are worn helmets, come.

763
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Speaker 2: Home helmets, no helmet, wild on ice, the ice alone,

764
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: let alone the people slamming you around.

765
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I was like, is that just a

766
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: function of making a Hollywood film where you can't cram

767
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: like these hot like Michael aunt Keen and Paul Newman.

768
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Speaker 1: You can't put them in a mouthguard and a helmet

769
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Speaker 1: because they're too hot? Or was this literally just the

770
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies where nobody there was no regulations for anything.

771
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a mix of both. And it

772
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: was a minor league team, so it's like all those

773
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: things culminated into no fucking helmets.

774
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all of that has changed. There's so much

775
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: safety regulations now. But I'm with you. I mean, baseball

776
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: is the sport that I know the most about because

777
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: I just played the sports, so I just know a

778
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: lot more about it. But then basketball is probably my

779
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: second obviously, But I yeah, this week is gonna be

780
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: so fun.

781
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Speaker 2: You're going first, I'm going first, and I think we

782
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: just get the fuck into it.

783
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

784
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: So my film was released the year I was born,

785
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven. It was written by Nancy Dawd,

786
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: directed by George roy Hill. My movie is slap shot.

787
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: There's a penalty for that, yeah, and for a trip also,

788
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: you know, like that, and for hook like this, and

789
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: for spear you know like that, all bad bad you

790
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 3: do that. You go to the box, you know, two

791
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 3: minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know, and

792
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: then you get free.

793
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: Ah, sir.

794
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: Now, I have talked about this movie a lot on

795
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: the podcast. I did not think we would ever feature

796
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: it because it is one of the raunchiest movies of

797
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: all time, and the language is difficult at times, and

798
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 2: I was kind of resistant to having to hear from

799
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 2: people who are not used to watching old movies about

800
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: how raunchy an offensive this movie could be, not intentionally,

801
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: but in the parlance of it it's time. There's some

802
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: tough language, so just be aware of that that if

803
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: you are sensitive to tough language and film, this is

804
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: not the movie for you. However, I'm so glad we

805
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: are finally talking about it, because it is a goddamn classic.

806
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: It is made the list of several I mean, it's

807
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: a cult classic. It has made the list of several

808
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: top you know, fifty one hundred movies of all time.

809
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: I personally think it's the best sports film of all time. Yes,

810
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: So just a little bit of background before I get

811
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: into the film and the one Stenson synopsis. So we've

812
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: talked about Nancy Dowd a little bit before because she've

813
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: also wrote Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains. So, Nancy

814
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: Dowd was born in Massachusetts. She went to Smith College.

815
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Speaker 2: She's actually studied at the Sorbon and she taught English

816
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: and Tokyo and then she enrolled in film school at UCLA.

817
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

818
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: So her first script was commissioned by Jane Fonda. It

819
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 2: was an anti war film that was called Buffalo Ghosts

820
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: when she wrote it. It was eventually called Coming Home,

821
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: and it won an Academy Award for writing Coming Home

822
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: as was directed by Hal Ashby, who we've also talked

823
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: about on the pod. But it was turned over to

824
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: these other writers because dow didn't like the direction they

825
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: were trying to take it. So Waldo Salt and Robert

826
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: Jones also won the Academy Award for Writing along with her.

827
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 2: But she's had such an interesting career, like she worked

828
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: on SNL for a season, and this particular film, Slapshot

829
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: is based on her brother Ned's experience of playing minor

830
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: league cocky.

831
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

832
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: So the Hansen brothers are not only real brothers, but

833
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: they were real hockey players who used to play with Ned.

834
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't know that.

835
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: That's awesome, Yeah, in the minor league. And then I

836
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: was looking up some research because she's been kind of

837
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, she's been out of the public eye for

838
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: a while. She hasn't written anything for a while. But

839
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: she's alive, Nancy, Dad's alive. Come on the pod if

840
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: you can. So I was looking back trying to find

841
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: interviews and clips and things, and I found this really

842
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: interesting New York Times article from nineteen seventy seven, right

843
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: after the film came out, and I quote, the world

844
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: has a weird view of women, she said the other

845
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: day over shrimp and hard boiled eggs in her Sherry,

846
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: Netherlands suite. People seem to believe that we have to

847
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: write about divorce or suicide or children so called women's topics,

848
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: but we've been around. Women aren't sequestered anymore. The reviews

849
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: for Slapshot have been mixed, ranging from Rex Reed's assessment

850
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: in The Daily News that it is violent, bloody and

851
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: thoroughly revolting to Newsweek's verdict that it is tough, smart, cynical,

852
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: and sentimental, the key ingredients in our new pop populism.

853
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: But whether they like it or not, almost all critics

854
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: seem surprised that Slap Shot was written by a woman.

855
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: Said Newsweek, the most foul mouthed movie of all time

856
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: has been written by a woman. End quote. Yes, so,

857
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: just so you understand that the world into which this

858
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 2: movie was born, the cultural moment into which this movie

859
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: was born, it was nineteen seventy seven, and it was

860
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: shocking that and possibly the sum still shocking now that

861
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: a woman wrote this film. It's not shocking if you,

862
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: you know, have lived a life where you've talked to women.

863
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: But it is really impressive to me that, without trying,

864
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: Nancy Dad broke a barrier in the world of screenwriting, yeah,

865
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: and presented a film that is so goddamn funny, it's

866
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: really divisive. It does split people, right, down the middle.

867
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: The either love it or hate it. In my experience,

868
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: I've shown it to some people who have been like,

869
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: that was disgusting, and I've shown it to other people

870
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: who thought, this is the most wonderful thing I've ever seen,

871
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: kind of like The Raid Redemption, which, yeah, how I

872
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: gauge people, I'm like, let's watch slap Shot and The Raid,

873
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: and if you're still around after both, we can hang

874
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: out forever. I know.

875
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like, I pretty much know all pro

876
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: slap shot people in my life, so Nice could be

877
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: wrong about that, but I'm pretty certain so Nice Nice.

878
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, I just I love this movie. I have loved

879
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: it for I can't even remember the first time I

880
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: saw it, but it was in my twenties for sure. Yeah,

881
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: so I've loved this movie for over twenty years. There

882
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: are some fun facts about it, like, you know, a

883
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: hockey team did actually form in Charleston, Pennsylvania about ten

884
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: years after the film, and they folded in twenty ten.

885
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: They were called the Chiefs. This movie is filled with

886
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: great actors. You've got Paul Newman, Michael Aunt, Keen, Lindsay Krause,

887
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: who plays Lily in the film, we'll talk about her

888
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: a bit, but her other claim to fame is that

889
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: she is Zosha Mammett's mom.

890
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

891
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: Why, Yeah, she was married to David Mann.

892
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Get out of here. Look at all these facts.

893
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: I love it. I do the work, man, I do

894
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: the work.

895
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: Yes you do, Yes, you do.

896
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: So. Lindsay Krause is fucking amazing in this movie, and

897
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: Paul Newman said that this was the most fun he

898
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: has ever had on a film and that it was

899
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: his favorite role, which is really saying something.

900
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: You can tell. That's the thing about the beauty and

901
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: the gift of this movie is that you can see

902
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Paul Newman having a blast in real time.

903
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you could see it in his face, his actions.

904
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: He really gets into this role in a way that

905
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him get into before. H And he's,

906
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: you know, again, a phenomenal actor, one of our top

907
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: actors of all time. Yeah, and has done so many

908
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: fucking movies. So for him to say that this was

909
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: his favorite role is saying.

910
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: Something, Oh, absolutely yeah.

911
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: The one thing I wasn't able to find information on

912
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: is his teeth in this movie look like hockey player teeth.

913
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: And I couldn't figure out if they had like put

914
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: something over his real teeth, or like if he just

915
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: let his teeth get real fucked up.

916
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: I could tell. Maybe this is like pre implant Paul.

917
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: He had good teeth, like, you know, obviously throughout his

918
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: classic period in the fifties and sixties. So I don't know.

919
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: Maybe they did give him shitty teeth for this role.

920
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Who knows.

921
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they gave him some some veneers

922
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: or some like you know, pop in like covers to

923
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: make them look worse than they are. But they look gnarly.

924
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: They look gnarly as shit. Good acting, Yeah, love it.

925
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: So my one sentence synopsis of slapshot down on their

926
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: luck minor league hockey team decides to go fucking ham

927
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: and lean into violence when the team is sold out from.

928
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: Under them one hundred percent great.

929
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: So the premise of this film is wild. So they're

930
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: manager this guy named Joe McGrath, and they also have

931
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: no idea who owns the team. That's a puzzle that

932
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: is eventually solved in the film. But it's kind of

933
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: funny that they're just like, we don't even know who

934
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: owns this. So Joe McGrath is the manager. Reggie Dunlop

935
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: is the Paul Newman character, and he's kind of the player,

936
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: and he's a player and a coach and he's old guard.

937
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: And then you have Ned Braden, who's the Michael aunt

938
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: Keen character, and he's kind of out of sorts in

939
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: this team. He's a Princeton grad. He comes from money,

940
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: his wife comes from money. But he's playing minor league

941
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: hockey for a living. And they're a milltown hockey team.

942
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: But the mill is closing, so McGrath starts to sell everything.

943
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: He tells Reggie this is the last season. Like Brayden

944
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: overhears him on a phone call and they all figure

945
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: out that this is it. This is the last season,

946
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys feel too old and

947
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: broken to be traded. So Reggie, along with his sportswriter friend,

948
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: decides to plant a story that someone in Florida wants

949
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: to buy the team, but only if they start winning.

950
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: So his goal in the film is to get the

951
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: team sold so they can keep playing, and one night

952
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: he incites a fight on the ice and the crowd

953
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: goes wild, so the team decides to lean into violence

954
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: to get the attendance up and their popularity up, and

955
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: if they make it to the finals, perhaps they'll be

956
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: able to keep playing because somebody will buy the team.

957
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: So that is the premise of the film. And I

958
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: have to say, the way that it's filmed is in

959
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: that kind of crunchy seventies way, but it's there's something

960
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: so alluring about it still, Like it's kind of dark

961
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: and moody in spots, but the way they shoot them

962
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: on the ice, like it is a visually interesting film

963
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: to me, yes, And the language of the film is

964
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: what really draws me in the most though, Like Nancy

965
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: Dowd wrote a fucking knockout script, and I can see

966
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: how she would be pissed off at some of her

967
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: other films being changed, Like she walked off of The

968
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: Fabulous Stains and changed her name to a kind of

969
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: a dummy name because she didn't want to be associated

970
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: with what they did the movie. Same thing with Coming Home,

971
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: Like I can see how, because she's such a stunning writer,

972
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: how she would be upset about the massive changes at

973
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 2: some of these other people she worked with made. Because

974
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: her language is so quick, This is a kind of

975
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: movie that you can watch several times and you almost

976
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: have to watch several times because it is so layered

977
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: and there was so much going on around the central

978
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: action that you will miss things if you're not paying attention.

979
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: And there are site gags, and there are you know,

980
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: just one off comments, and there are just things that

981
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: you want to be immersed in because it's such a

982
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: rich world as she's created, and you feel that from

983
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: the opening scene. So the first scene is the Chief's

984
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: goalie Denny, who's he's kind of a guest on a

985
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: talk show and he's telling the host about all the

986
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: different rules and penalties that can happen on the ice.

987
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: And when he's done, the guy ask because, like what

988
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: is it like to be in the penalty box? And

989
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: he says, well, you feel shame and then you get

990
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: free one off sentences that are so fucking funny. Is

991
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 2: the glory of her writing, Like this movie comes down

992
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: to the writing for me, So I just fucking love it.

993
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: The Charleston Chiefs again fictional Pennsylvania team and they kind

994
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: of become the arc of the film. That's also interesting

995
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: to me is watching the team become the thing they hate.

996
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: So they hate goons, which are guys that are you know,

997
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: hockey players, that extensively lean into aggression, and they don't

998
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 2: lean into the sport as much as they do the violence.

999
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: So even though like they're not goons until they kind

1000
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: of have to be. Even though their own audience, their

1001
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 2: own fans fucking hate them, Like when the movie starts,

1002
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: they're like screaming at them. Even when they score a goal,

1003
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: someone screams, so what, that's what you're paid for? Like

1004
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: they are giving no grace of these dudes, yeah, who,

1005
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: like Millie said, are skating around with no helmets and

1006
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: they're playing against dudes who are also like, we don't

1007
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: give a fuck. So the first team that you see

1008
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: them playing against on the ice, they encounter this character

1009
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: named Nick, and Paul Newman's like, how's it going?

1010
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: You know?

1011
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: Reggie asks them, like how's it going, and he just says,

1012
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: I'm drunk. Anybody throws me on the board, I'm gonna

1013
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: piss all over myself, and then he does.

1014
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: It's so funny.

1015
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 2: So these are guys who are like making a minor

1016
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: living and a minor league, so they're trying to have

1017
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: fun wherever they can, and they kind of have this

1018
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: this familial camaraderie, not just with their own team, but

1019
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: with the whole league. You know, their wives and girlfriends

1020
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: were hanging out in the bleachers and they're kind of

1021
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: reluctantly doing these modeling gigs at the man sets them up.

1022
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: For God, it's just kind of funny. It's hilarious because

1023
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, we hate doing all the shit

1024
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: that's not hockey, and they think their manager is cheap

1025
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: and shitty. But now they're going to be sold. So

1026
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: they're kind of in this very specific position in life,

1027
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: and a lot of them, like I said, are older

1028
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: and kind of feel like this is it. They're not

1029
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: going to play professionally, this is it. They have to

1030
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: make the most of it. So Brydon especially is a

1031
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: very interesting character to me because Michael aunt Keen is great.

1032
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: To my knowledge at the time of this recording, he

1033
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: hasn't said anything insane. I could be wrong, fingers crossed.

1034
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: So he is again like he's just like this super

1035
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: cute guy who cannot get his shit together. He is

1036
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: constantly cheating on his wife. He kind of leans into

1037
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: his like handsome dude aesthetic because he's still young enough

1038
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: to have all of his teeth and everything. But he

1039
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: just kind of feels lost, like he doesn't know what

1040
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: he should be doing or what he wants to do

1041
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: besides hockey, even though he seems to have other options

1042
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: and opportunities around him. And his character I think is

1043
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: very interesting because he throughout the film refuses to become

1044
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: a goon. He refuses to engage in violence. So we

1045
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: learn a lot about his character from that action and

1046
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: how he has to interact with the team now that

1047
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: he's kind of drawn a line, right, But you learn

1048
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: the most about him through his interactions with Lily, his wife.

1049
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 2: So again, Lindsay Krause, who is a fucking g in

1050
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: this movie, I have never seen a character like this

1051
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: before or since. She's always drunk. She's always drunk, She's

1052
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: drinking from a flask, even in a bar. She drives

1053
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: like a fucking maniac. She drives her van like she's

1054
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: in the dukes of Hazard, and she absolutely hates living

1055
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 2: in this town and doesn't understand why they live there.

1056
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: So her marriage is very troubled, and Reggie over the

1057
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: course of the film, you realize is really concerned over

1058
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: the state of their relationship and how callous lee Ned

1059
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: treats Lily. But her primary friction in the film is

1060
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 2: that she loves her husband, she hates where they live.

1061
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: She doesn't understand what direction their lives are going in,

1062
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: both singularly or together. So you're seeing her kind of

1063
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: trying to navigate this marriage. And she doesn't fit in

1064
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: with the other wives and girlfriends, and she doesn't she

1065
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: just doesn't fit in. And she's kind of tomboyish. She says,

1066
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: this cute little bowl cut and like wears overalls and like, oh.

1067
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: She wears that, Like she's a style icon. She's got

1068
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: that like ball cap females and ball caps love it.

1069
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: Love it so good. It's so good. And she's just

1070
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: frowning all the time. Like you literally don't see her

1071
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: smile until the end of the movie. Like it's just

1072
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: it's amazing. And they have this big dog, like this

1073
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: big Saint Bernard, and she's just a singular character. I've

1074
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 2: never seen a character like her, and I think Lindsay

1075
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: Krast played it expertly. So Reggie is kind of in

1076
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: the midst of he's he's taken it upon himself. He

1077
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: kind of manages the team on the ice and off

1078
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: the ice, so he gets involved in their relationships and

1079
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: there's all these again just great characters around. This is

1080
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: an eminently quotable movie, Like you will find I find

1081
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: myself saying quotes from this movie all the fucking time.

1082
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: No more so is that evident than when Reggie picks

1083
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: up the Hanson brothers. So McGrath picks up three players

1084
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 2: very cheaply, and they are fucking maniacs. So the Hanson

1085
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: brothers are super violent. All three of them wear these

1086
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: coke bottle glasses when you meet them there beating the

1087
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: shit out of a soda machine to get a quarterback

1088
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: one of them. The only thing they have in one

1089
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: of their suitcases is remote control cars. Yeah, and they

1090
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: are straight thugs, Like they put foil and tape between

1091
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: their fingers just in case there's a fight. Like they

1092
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: are fucking thugs.

1093
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: It's almost like imagine like an eleven year old boy

1094
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: that the development just stops after exactly, Like they're just

1095
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: like little kids, beating each other up, beating up everything.

1096
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: They're just such like beasts. It's so funny.

1097
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: It is fascinating to watch that. When they're in the

1098
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: locker room and like you know, Reggie's trying to talk

1099
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: and they're talking over him because like all they know

1100
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: is like yeah, yeah, like go go get it. But

1101
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: it's not like physically aggressive always. It's just like they

1102
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: are aggressive in life. I don't know how to explain them,

1103
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: but they are just aggressive about everything in life.

1104
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are bulls and China shops.

1105
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's no chill at all, and they are fucking

1106
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: violent on the ice.

1107
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: It's so good.

1108
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: There are so many great scenes in this film, but

1109
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: one of my favorites is when they're at the top

1110
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: of a game. All the teams are just kind of

1111
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: skating out, kind of you know, doing circles so everyone

1112
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: can see them, and at one point, Hanson Brothers skates

1113
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: past one of the other players and just tackles them,

1114
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: like before they've even sing the national anthem, just fucking

1115
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 2: tackles him. Ah, beats the shit out of them. And

1116
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 2: then while they're listening to the national anthem, he's standing there,

1117
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: one of his lenses is cracked. He has blood dripping

1118
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: down the side of his head. The referee is like

1119
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: getting steam just thinking about having to referee these dudes

1120
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: all night, and he walks up to him and he's

1121
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,959
Speaker 2: like starts giving them the business, and the handsome brother

1122
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: just looks at him and goes, I'm not trying to

1123
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: listen to the song the National anthe I mean, he

1124
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: has called it the song. Try to listen to the song.

1125
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: Like he is just so aggressive and funny. Oh man,

1126
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 2: And again like the writing of this movie is unreal,

1127
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: but the violence in this movie is unmatched.

1128
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: Dude, when they skate out on the rink and everyone's

1129
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: just like taking them all in and they're just like

1130
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: pushing over the ref and do you know they're they're

1131
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: like going past the box and they're slapping every dude

1132
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: in the fucking head as they're skating by the part

1133
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: where one of them like slaps the puck and the

1134
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: book like sails into like the one of the boxes

1135
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: and hits that dude in the head. I've seen this

1136
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: movie multiple times, and then for some reason this time

1137
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: when I was watching it for the podcast, I was

1138
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: like I had to rewind that part like a hundred times,

1139
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: and I just kept laughing every single time. It was

1140
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: such a stupid, like sight gag, but I was dying

1141
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: laughing at that.

1142
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: Because it's hilarious to his And so they beating the puck,

1143
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: it hits the announcer in the head and then the

1144
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: next time you see the announcer, he's wearing a helmet.

1145
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: Like a half hour later, the next time you see

1146
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: the duties, it is so violent, the fights that they

1147
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: show on the ice. They are provoking the violence, they

1148
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: are inciting the violence, and the crowds are digging it

1149
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: so fucking much. So even though when the rest of

1150
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: the team meets the Hanson brothers, they are just like,

1151
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: they are disgusting, They are a disgrace. They cannot get

1152
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: over the fact that these guys are playing with them,

1153
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: But they very quickly come around to, holy shit, this

1154
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: is amazing, Like we just get to skate around and

1155
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: fuck people up.

1156
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like here's the thing, Okay, I'm a simple woman.

1157
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Do I need a political message in a film like this?

1158
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: Not really, but the fact that there is one, right,

1159
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: the fact that they're talking, they're basically saying like they're

1160
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: just speaking to this, you know, later very prevalent method

1161
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: of entertainment being purposely violent because it gets viewers like

1162
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: I think, obviously we fast forward so far on that

1163
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: note because we're now in this modern era where like

1164
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: people don't even like pour and doesn't even FaZe them anymore.

1165
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: So It's kind of that thing where you're just like

1166
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: watching this movie going it is a pure delight. It's

1167
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: funny as shit. But then also there's this like undercurrent

1168
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: of like a message, and that's why I love it.

1169
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: It's so funny because you're watching this thing going, oh,

1170
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: they're being violent and funny and physical, but the message

1171
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: of below it is important too, you know what I.

1172
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: Mean exactly exactly, which we've actually weirdly been talking about

1173
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: a lot this year on the podcast between Network and

1174
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: Christine and like, yes, like we're really it's not it's

1175
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: not our mind, it's not our mind, but it's it's

1176
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: important that as the violence escalates on the ice that

1177
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: you're right, like, there's this underlying message of especially what

1178
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: Reggie is trying to do to kind of bring some

1179
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: semblance of normalcy back to the game exactly and sportsmanship,

1180
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: like he wants sportsmanship in the game. Now having said that,

1181
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: he also at one point puts a bounty out on

1182
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: another player on the radio show. It is just so

1183
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: fucking wild, But I think that again, this is the

1184
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of film that I think a lot of people

1185
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: either don't know about or haven't seen and maybe shy

1186
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: away from for whatever reasons. Just watch it. Just watch it.

1187
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to be had in this film,

1188
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: considering the time it was written, who wrote it, and

1189
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: what it's talking about. And like Millie said, there are

1190
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: underlying messages about relationships about you know, like Reggie is

1191
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: a character who's estranged from his wife Francine, and you

1192
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: know she's still worried for him, especially you know, she's like,

1193
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're gonna do when hockey is over,

1194
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: because you're a horrible coach. Like he really is a

1195
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: bad coach. He's a bad coach, but he's a nice guy.

1196
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: But his inability to fix his own romantic relationship doesn't

1197
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: prevent him from trying to save Bryden and Lily's relationship.

1198
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: Like there's something just really sweet and weird about his

1199
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: coroach to the world, and he's like, you don't see

1200
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: that kind of guy anymore, I don't think out in

1201
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: the world. And it was just it's a movie that

1202
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: was of a time, but it's fucking There are too

1203
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: many quotable lines to even say here. But it is

1204
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: truly a movie that makes me laugh top to bottom

1205
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: every time I watch it, and I own it and

1206
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: I watch it regularly.

1207
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it's a movie about class and about like,

1208
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, the idea that there's these like people in

1209
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: this town with this like factory that is like the

1210
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: one source of hope and economic promise for like any

1211
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: of these people, and the fact that it's shutting down,

1212
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: and like these are people who are like, well, what

1213
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: are we gonna do when this thing closes? You know,

1214
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: And it's just like and the interesting thing about Nancy

1215
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: Dab too is that there's a little bit of that

1216
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: in The Fabulous Stains, right, because at the beginning of

1217
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: The Fabulous Stains, you know, the Diane Lane character talks

1218
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: about how she's from this like factory town or this

1219
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's in Pennsylvania to be honest, Yeah,

1220
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: And she talks about how the reasons why, like she

1221
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: is essentially driven to punk rock is because of the conditions,

1222
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: the economic conditions of that town that she lives in.

1223
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: And as a teenager, she's like, you know, like a

1224
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: fucking youth gone wild because of it exactly. So I

1225
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: just think that's very interesting and it makes Nancy Doubt

1226
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: like a you know, she's like such a talented screenwriter,

1227
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: and the fact that she's again able to weave in

1228
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: these like little like messages in a movie like this,

1229
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: which is so sensory, so wonderful and funny and violent

1230
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: and hilarious. The fact that there's like little things like

1231
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: that happening too brilliant.

1232
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: Your film as well, perfect for this week.

1233
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: Ooh, I've been wanting to talk about this one for

1234
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: a long time.

1235
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: You really had?

1236
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so my movie for the theme favorite sports

1237
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: movies is from twenty eleven. It is written by Steven

1238
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: Zalien and Aaron Sorkin, based on the book Moneyball The

1239
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: Art of Winning an Unfair Game by Michael Lewis. Of course,

1240
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: directed by Bennett Miller. It's called Moneyball. The problem we're

1241
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: trying to solve is that there are rich teams and

1242
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: there are poor teams.

1243
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: Then there's fifty feet a crap, and then there's us.

1244
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to talk about Bennett Miller, the

1245
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: director of the movie, like right off the back, because

1246
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: his career is so fascinating to me. He's only made

1247
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: three feature films total and one documentary. I think the

1248
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: documentary was like the first thing he did, and then

1249
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: he's done only three features. So he directed Capodi from

1250
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, Fox Catcher from twenty fourteen, and

1251
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: of course Moneyball. But here's the thing. He was nominated

1252
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: twice for a Best Director Oscar.

1253
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

1254
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like in a way, you've made

1255
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: movies and then we're nominated for Best Director for two

1256
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, that's like amazing to me. That

1257
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: has been heard of.

1258
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: You kidding me.

1259
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: That's kind of like John Cazale territory if you want

1260
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: to get down to it, Like your your output is small,

1261
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: but everything you've done is Oscar nominated. So that's amazing.

1262
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: You're just hitting the fucking mark every time. You're just

1263
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: fucking throwing bullseyes.

1264
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: I know, kind of kind of incredible.

1265
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: Get him on the pod. I saw what he did Gmail,

1266
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: Come on, Bennett, And this is the thing.

1267
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: He's not online, Like, he doesn't seem to be very online,

1268
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: which I mean, I love, but it's also like I

1269
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: had to go to his Wikipedia to kind of find

1270
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: out like about him. Yeah, he went to the Tish

1271
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: School in New York City with Dan Futterman who's a screenwriter,

1272
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: and Phillip Symore Hoffman, who he collaborated with obviously on

1273
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: CAPODI and you know Phillip Symore Hoffins also in Moneyball.

1274
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: But Bennet Miller has not made a movie since Fox Catcher,

1275
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: so it's been ten years since he's made a movie.

1276
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: I've actually wanted to go back and rewatch Fox Catcher.

1277
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: I think it's because I watched The Iron Claw and

1278
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I want to see like wrestling movies

1279
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: right now. But I remember loving that movie when it

1280
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: came out, the one with.

1281
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: Steve Carell, and like, oh yeah, it was fantastic.

1282
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. Yeah, it's like creepy at shit and.

1283
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: True story, like truly tell weird and shocking film.

1284
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's interesting because yeah, I had no idea

1285
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: what he was doing since Fox Catcher. And then I

1286
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: read this article it was from about a year ago

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01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: that said that Bennett Miller has been kind of like

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01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with AI and he's working on a documentary about it,

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: and he's also been doing some AI photography, which I

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: know somebody who does AI photography. Like I'm not like

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: super good friends with them, but we're like friends of friends,

1292
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: but we follow each other on Instagram and it is

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01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: the creepiest shit ever, But is.

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01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: It is it like manipulating photos or actually taking photos?

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to say. I think it's literally just

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01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: like going into AI software and being like putting in

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01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of words and seeing what happens. I don't know.

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that. That's like my take.

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: But like the photos that he posts are totally creepy.

1300
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: It's like people with like melted bodies and melted faces

1301
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, it's kind of fascinating, but it's

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01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: like terrifying.

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01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm like, is that what Bettett Miller is

1305
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: out here doing. He's doing like creepy melted face photography.

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01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: I would love to find out. Can't wait to see

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: that doc for sure.

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01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: I know I was about to say I can't wait

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: to see it either.

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01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: I also love this part of his Wikipedia page about

1312
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: his personal life is one sentence that I am going

1313
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: to make the new primary directive of my life. And

1314
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: a twenty fourteen interview, Miller described himself as a tumbleweed,

1315
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: saying I don't have a company, I don't have a staff,

1316
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't own anything. I've never owned a car or

1317
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 2: an apartment. He's like, that's it. That's all you need

1318
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: to know about me. I work, I live my life.

1319
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here.

1320
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: Dude, A tumbleweed, tumble weed.

1321
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,959
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't own anything. Like for someone who's

1322
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: a twice not nominated Oscar director, you would think he

1323
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: would have like a publicist or something. No, He's like,

1324
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: I have no one. I have nothing. I don't want

1325
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: to goodbye.

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: Yes. And that's why I'm like, this guy's incredible. I'm like,

1327
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: he makes like really beautiful films, they get nominated for Oscars,

1328
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: and then he doesn't own shit. He's like, I don't

1329
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't got any records. I don't have a bed.

1330
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: Maybe sleeps on the floor. We don't know. Bennett, come

1331
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: to the podcast, tell.

1332
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: Us, tell us how you live in Bennett.

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01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: I saw a Jamail Buckham. But you know, the interesting

1334
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: thing was is that he was not initially signed on

1335
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: as the director for Moneyball because the studio bought the

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: rights to the book and then kind of like we're

1337
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like who's going to be involved,

1338
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: and at one point Steven Soderberg was supposed to direct

1339
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: the movie and that sort of fell through. There's a

1340
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: lot of creative differences. I'm sure you know what that's like, Danielle.

1341
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: At one point, Dimitri Martin was supposed to play the

1342
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: Peter Brand character that is later played by Jonah Hill.

1343
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: That fell through, and then there was some script issues

1344
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: and they asked Aaron Sorkin to come in and help

1345
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: rewrite the screenplay, and then you know, he insisted that

1346
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: him and the other writer, the original writer of the film,

1347
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: Steven Zaleen, collaborate on it. So basically they both got

1348
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: credit for the screenplay. So it's kind of like, you know,

1349
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: it's not perfect obviously in terms of that of the

1350
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: production part of it. But there's also been some criticism

1351
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: over the years, i think mostly by baseball fans that

1352
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: the film sort of takes a lot of creative license

1353
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: about what actually happened during this kind of era. And

1354
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: then you know, like specifically the season that the movie

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: focuses on, which is this two thousand and two baseball season,

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01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of debate about that. I mean,

1357
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: the a's manager at the time, Art Howe, who's played

1358
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: by Philip Seymour Hoffan, he was like, I hate how

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: I was portrayed in the movie. Wow, And there was

1360
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 1: also like a lot of other players who were actually

1361
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: a huge part of that kind of twenty game streak,

1362
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: the run up, which is we'll talk about in a second,

1363
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: that weren't mentioned, like Tim Hudson who used to be

1364
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: a brave So I know Tim Hudson, but he was

1365
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: a big part of that. He wasn't mentioned in the movie,

1366
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: some other players, So it's kind of like, you know,

1367
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of Hollywood magic that kind of ruffled

1368
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: some feathers with some baseball folks.

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: I feel like the one thing that is actually true

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01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: is that the New York Yankees have so much fucking money.

1372
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's ridiculous, and it they are so

1373
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: annoying because of it. I feel like that's so very true.

1374
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: You know when you hate a thing and you're like,

1375
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: I don't know why I just hate a thing, and

1376
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 2: then you find out so many reasons why you should

1377
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: hate that thing. Yeah, that is me and the Yankees.

1378
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: Oh sure, you're a Mets fan, right.

1379
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: I am a Mets fan through and through from a

1380
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: time I was a child. I'm like, I do not

1381
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: know why I don't like the Yankees. Yeah, and then

1382
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: the more I find out about them, I'm like, well,

1383
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: of course I don't like the Yankees. Look at these

1384
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,560
Speaker 2: fucking chumps. They're the worst team. I mean in optics

1385
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: and in play. Of course, they've won championships. They're an

1386
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 2: amazing team to play against. You know. Of course they

1387
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 2: are a fantastic baseball team period. Behind the scenes, they

1388
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 2: are a fucking nightmare scenario.

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01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, you want to talk about a

1390
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: team that is the absolute opposite of the Charlestown Chiefs

1391
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,480
Speaker 1: in every perceivable way, it's the Yankees.

1392
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 2: Right, Just diletant, divas, diloton and give a fuck what

1393
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: Yankee fan is listening to me say that right now,

1394
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 2: do not write to me. I don't care. You're not

1395
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 2: changing my mind.

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01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: They know they're bougie. Come on, y'all know your bougie.

1397
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: Let's just be real, and there's always gonna be a

1398
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: team like that, you know. I don't know if it's

1399
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: like Patriots or whatever in the NFL, or you know,

1400
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: whatever the Lakers or what the Heat or something. You know,

1401
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: it's just like the thing is is that there's always

1402
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: going to be teams that have a lot of money

1403
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: to spend, and then teams that have zero dollars to spend,

1404
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: and that's effectively what Moneyball is about. It's about this,

1405
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, relationship between teams that have a lot of

1406
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: money to spend on great players and then a team

1407
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 1: like the Oakland Athletics who doesn't have as much money.

1408
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's kind of hard to do a

1409
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: one sentence synopsis about Moneyball, so I'm just going to

1410
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: like kind of tell you what the movie is generally about.

1411
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: So at the beginning of the film, it's the year

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, the Oakland as general manager Billy Bean,

1413
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: who's a real person but is played by Brad Pitt.

1414
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, they just came off of this

1415
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: like heartbreaking loss in the playoffs, and they're at this

1416
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: point where they know they're about to lose a bunch

1417
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: of their best players to other teams with a lot

1418
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: of money, like the Yankees. And you know, again, the

1419
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: A's have a very small budget and they're in their

1420
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: total crist is about how they're going to replace these

1421
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: athletes and still be you know, competitive in the next season. Right,

1422
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: So Billy goes out and has this meeting with the

1423
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: Cleveland Indians, and so he's in a meeting with you know,

1424
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,440
Speaker 1: Mark Shapiro, who's I guess, the GM of the Indians,

1425
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: and he's played by this actor Reed Diamond, who, by

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: the way, was in Memphis Bell I have to say,

1427
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: what extremely attractive older gentleman. But while while Billy's in

1428
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: this meeting, he meets this guy, Peter Brand. Right, Peter

1429
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: Brand is played by Jonah Hill, and we know about

1430
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: Jonah Hill. I don't need to go into it, right

1431
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: should I?

1432
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: Okay, now we don't need to give him the time.

1433
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: Don't give him the time. But anyway, this Peter Brand

1434
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:49,959
Speaker 1: character is actually based on a real guy, Paul de Podesta,

1435
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: who was you know, essentially as part of this like

1436
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: production stuff that happened with the movie. I think when

1437
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 1: the script rewrites were happening, Paul deputes. So the actual

1438
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: guy was like, you know what, now this character is

1439
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: like nothing like me, So just take my name off

1440
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: the movie and make him a fictitious character. So he's

1441
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: kind of inspired by the real guy. Okay, So Billy

1442
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: meets Peter Brand. He's like, I'm an economics guy from

1443
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: an Ivy League college, and I have this strategy that

1444
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: will focus on players who are considered undervalued for whatever

1445
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: reason in the game. So these are older players, people

1446
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 1: who throw weird or have like weird playing styles even

1447
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: like looks that plays into it weirdly enough, so because

1448
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: they're undervalued, they're cheap. But at the same time, these

1449
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: are players that sometimes have a high on base percentage. Now,

1450
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: this general notion is called sabermetrics, and I'm not going

1451
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: to explain to you, like the ins and outs of that.

1452
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know them myself, You're not, no, but

1453
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: I know generally what it's about, right, But it's a

1454
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: bit bottom line, it's the statistical approach to baseball, which

1455
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: is using data to value teams and players. Okay, The

1456
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: way that it works, like in the context of the

1457
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: film and the book, ostensibly is that baseball players are

1458
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: obviously measured by statistics, and it's all mathematical, a lot

1459
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: of like numbers and division and that kind of stuff.

1460
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: So the biggest one is traditionally batting average, right, which

1461
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: is essentially the number of hits that a player gets

1462
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: out of the total number of at bats that they

1463
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: have during the course of a season, all Right. And

1464
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: then traditionally if you're in the like three hundred or

1465
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: four hundred percent range, you're like doing pretty good because

1466
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: it's out of a thousand. Yeah. So what Peter Brand

1467
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: in the film Moneyball suggests is that it's actually less

1468
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: important to have a good batting average, and it's actually

1469
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: more important to have a good on base percentage, which

1470
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: is that that's the number of times a player gets

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01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: on base period, either by hitting, walking or getting hit

1472
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: by pitch. Right and Saberman, what is it called? Should

1473
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: I call them saber matricians? I don't know how to

1474
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: people into sabermetrics. I don't know what to call you.

1475
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,919
Speaker 1: I'm too tongue tied. But also they value slugging percentage,

1476
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: which is total bases whatever out of the number of

1477
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 1: bats blah blah blah. So anyway, the idea that Peter

1478
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: Brand is coming into this game of baseball at this point,

1479
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: which has like essentially been an instinctual, more fundamental bas

1480
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: game up until this point, he's coming in being like, blop,

1481
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: Blue bloop. Guess what all we're trying to do is

1482
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,480
Speaker 1: to get guys who can get on base the most,

1483
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: create a team that knows how to get on base

1484
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: the most, and spend less than like fifty million dollars

1485
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: or something you know what I.

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 2: Mean exactly, which I love the premise of let's get

1487
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 2: a nerd in here to actually address this is always

1488
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: my favorite fucking move in a movie.

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01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sabermetrics has been around technically since like the sixties,

1490
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: but it's like it became this like huge deal around

1491
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: this era of when the book Moneyball was written and stuff.

1492
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: So it was like this new fangled technology and it

1493
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: shook up baseball essentially. And in the film that is

1494
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: displayed by the fact that all of the old guy

1495
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: scouts are like, this is no Boino for us. We

1496
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: don't like this guy. We don't like the brain guy

1497
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: coming in here with his fancy degree, Like, Billy, what

1498
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: are you doing? We hate this.

1499
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 2: There's a scene early on that's kind of fundamentally interesting

1500
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: to me, and because of that where there's you know,

1501
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 2: he's talking to one of the scouts, one of the

1502
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 2: older scouts, and on the one hand, you feel sympathetic

1503
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: to the fact that he's watching his livelihood go away.

1504
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: If this thing is successful, his livelihood will no longer exist.

1505
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: But then on the other hand, Billy Bean makes this

1506
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: incredibly impression point, which is what you are doing does

1507
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: not work. There is no actual skill to what you do.

1508
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: You are guessing, so you have built a lifetime of

1509
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: guessing based on experience, but that's all you're doing. So

1510
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, it's a very interesting push and pull

1511
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: in that scene of wow, you know, it sucks to

1512
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 2: see someone being made obsolete by technology, but then also

1513
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: what you're doing doesn't actually fucking work, and you've just

1514
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: been sitting in a room in a clubhouse with your

1515
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,879
Speaker 2: friends for thirty years, making a career out of just guessing,

1516
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: and seeing in the film how that impacts a player's

1517
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: life when they start going through Billy Bean's story, you

1518
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: sitting in a room and guessing actually impacts negatively and positively,

1519
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: but mostly negatively a lot of young lives.

1520
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: And I think the general message of the film is

1521
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 1: that spoiler, neither technique is perfect in it's absolute, you

1522
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it's that thing where they

1523
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: use that device of the kind of backstory of Billy Bean.

1524
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: You know, a real person, Billy Bean was a player.

1525
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: At one point, he was scouted right out of high school,

1526
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: had a decision of whether or not he was going

1527
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: to go to college at Stanford or go to the

1528
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 1: majors and that obviously happens constantly in sports. So he

1529
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: gets to the majors and then his prospects, you know,

1530
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: all the smoke that was being blown by the scouts

1531
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: about how great he was going to be, it wasn't

1532
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: as great as they thought. He you know, wasn't like

1533
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: a star athlete in the way that they thought, and

1534
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: it was kind of this like thing that has haunted

1535
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: him for the rest of his life. And then Billy

1536
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: Bean was like, you know, he became a scout and

1537
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: then he became a general manager of a team, so

1538
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: he has like first hand knowledge of what this is.

1539
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: So it's that, yeah, you're to your exact point. It's

1540
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: really interesting because this movie is about valuing people, valuing players,

1541
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,799
Speaker 1: and like how does that shape out in this sport

1542
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: And the scouts are saying, my method is the best,

1543
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: My method of observation and guests is better than computer stuff.

1544
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 2: But I think it's really interesting to watch the film

1545
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: and form your own conclusion about how the really successful

1546
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 2: method seems to be a version of both. Yes, because

1547
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: in the film you see Billy Bean encouraging his coaches

1548
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: to teach people how to play better, like he's like,

1549
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 2: you know, they can be taught how to play first

1550
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 2: base even though they've been a catcher their whole life.

1551
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: They can be taught how to be a different kind

1552
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: of athlete, right, And if you are able to do that,

1553
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 2: then you can use this saber metrics to kind of

1554
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: increase the odds. So it's kind of a weird mix

1555
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 2: of both that seems to be to me that would

1556
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 2: be most successful.

1557
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: Right, And like this is sort of a general era too,

1558
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: of like the early two thousands where technology was ramping up.

1559
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like the Internet was coming into focus

1560
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: in this stuff. So it is the sort of technique

1561
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, so you can be a fundamental

1562
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: baseball player. But also if we told you that you

1563
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: can literally never hit curveballs because there's ten at bats

1564
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: where you hit zero curveballs, then maybe in your mind

1565
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: as a player, you think, okay, well maybe I gotta

1566
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: like stay off of a curveball, you know, or whatever.

1567
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, just using the information for the rest of

1568
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: your career, you know, just to guide you as you play.

1569
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: Not that it's an absolute thing, but it's just information,

1570
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: you know. So you're right, I think that's what the

1571
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: movie eventually suggests is that it's a balance of both

1572
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: that makes the best sense, right, But so much of

1573
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: the journey there is also about like Billy Bean as

1574
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 1: a character as played by Brad Pitt. So Billy Bean

1575
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: as Brad Pitt does not watch full games ever because

1576
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: he's afraid of jing sing the team. So he does

1577
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: this thing where he literally like turns the game on

1578
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: for two seconds and then turns it off.

1579
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it. Little hand radio, Little hand radio.

1580
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: He also, and this is a Brad Pitt thing, he

1581
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: eats constantly, like in the entire movie, he's eating, like

1582
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: eating popcorn. He's shoving food in his mouth, which.

1583
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,959
Speaker 2: Is so funn twinkies everything.

1584
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: Billy is divorced, his wife, who was played by Robin Wright,

1585
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:26,520
Speaker 1: is remarried to Spy Jones, who was like wearing sandals.

1586
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: He's like a hippie dude.

1587
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: A wealthy hippie, but a hippie.

1588
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:35,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like a fucking Northern California software hippie guy. Yeah.

1589
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: And then Billy also has a like kind of a

1590
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: tween age daughter who plays guitar and sings, and that's

1591
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: like a runner in the movie where she sings for him,

1592
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: but also is like, you know, she's concerned about her dad.

1593
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean as much as like I think that the

1594
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: kind of family stuff that kind of gets woven into

1595
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: the movie is maybe doesn't like hit as well for

1596
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 1: me as it maybe could have. You know, like it's

1597
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: nice to know that as a family and has people.

1598
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 2: To turn to, it hits a lot in the end,

1599
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 2: like it helps us to understand his decision making process

1600
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 2: in the end, I think absolutely.

1601
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: Also, I have to say, like whenever they show Billy

1602
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: in his house, he's got these like plates on the wall.

1603
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, who designed that house?

1604
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: I was like, did he choose those those like.

1605
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 2: Who designed that house?

1606
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: Blue and white country plates? I was like, damn, what

1607
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: is this?

1608
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: A lot of wrought iron in that kitchen? A lot

1609
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: of hot iron in the kitchen? Yeah, perfect though perfect

1610
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: for the time. Yeah.

1611
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 1: So essentially what happens is that billion Peter assemble this team.

1612
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: They go out to the market. They fight all these

1613
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: players that are like, you know, sort of I don't know,

1614
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: like undervalue. So they get you know, this guy Scott Hadiberg,

1615
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: who's played by Chris Pratt, was a catcher, is like injured,

1616
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: zero confidence. They're like, come and be on our team

1617
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: and play for space and he doesn't know how to

1618
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: play for a space, but he's there because he knows

1619
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: how to get on base. Like before, and kind of

1620
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: in a weird slap shoty in way, they kind of

1621
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: assemble like a ragtag group of people, yeah, if you

1622
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, right, because they bring in old

1623
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: man Dave Justice, which I loved as a he was

1624
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: a Braves player in the heyday in the nineties, and

1625
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: you know he's older and you know, injured and that

1626
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but they bring him on. He's kind

1627
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: of becomes the kind of team veteran leader of the team.

1628
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: So they've got this like crew of people who were

1629
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: deemed undervalued by the leagues, and you know, they kind

1630
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: of start. I mean, it gets worse before it gets better,

1631
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: no doubt. But then they work themselves up into this

1632
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: like kind of twenty game streak and it's like the

1633
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: best in baseball and it's historic and there's a lot

1634
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: of momentum there and everyone's like, hey, I don't know,

1635
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: maybe there's something to the sabermetrics thing. Let's see, like

1636
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: those guys are wild down there, but like, hey, it's

1637
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: working for them.

1638
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 2: But you know.

1639
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say spoiler alert, but not really because

1640
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: this is a fucking real life thing that happened, so

1641
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: it's not like a story to spoil necessarily. But the

1642
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: problem is is that that an effort of that, like

1643
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: that happens, and then when they get to the World Series,

1644
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: they don't advance in the playoffs. And that's the whole

1645
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: kind of bittersweet ending for Billy was that, yes, they

1646
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: worked towards this kind of great streak and it was

1647
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: like the momentum was happening. It felt like the system

1648
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,799
Speaker 1: that they adopted was working. But then ultimately it literally

1649
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: just is about who wins the World Series, like all

1650
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: that gets forgotten, you know.

1651
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: And there's something really there's something really interesting about watching

1652
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: the friction between Billy Bean and Art Hell because part

1653
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 2: of the reason for the rough start is that the

1654
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 2: head coach doesn't want to employ this method. Yeah, so

1655
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 2: he's refusing to play the game the way that Billy

1656
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: Bean is encouraging him to play the game. And Billy

1657
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: has to literally fire or like trade three players so

1658
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: that he's like push into a corner. So he has

1659
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: to try this. So it's kind of interesting to watch

1660
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: that power dynamic between the two of them, and then

1661
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 2: when it starts working, it doesn't make their relationship any better.

1662
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 2: It just means that they're winning some games. And I

1663
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: think that the two times where I am near tears

1664
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 2: is when they start winning, when they start their streak.

1665
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: The streak makes me want to cry because at one

1666
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: point he does come back to the stadium. His daughter's like,

1667
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 2: you have to be at this game, like your team

1668
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: is going to break a record, you gotta go, and

1669
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: he does and they blow an eleven run lead. There's

1670
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: this one scene sad Astra turns around and just walks

1671
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: away and he's like, I fuck this up, and you

1672
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: feel it so heavily, so that like brings me to tears.

1673
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: But then there's when they do lose the series, the

1674
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 2: World series, and he's trying to figure out, you know,

1675
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: there's kind of this indication that he's going to take

1676
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: another job somewhere, yes, and he says, you know, I

1677
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 2: really wanted to win it here, like I really wanted

1678
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 2: it here. And you can see how much effort he's

1679
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: put into this team. It's been about so much more

1680
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 2: than the numbers. And then there's just this scene where

1681
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 2: he goes out to the field and Peter Brand looks

1682
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: over and he's just sad. Ash was just laying down

1683
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 2: on the pictures mound, looking up on his back, and

1684
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh my god, this is so gutting.

1685
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: This is so sad to watch someone's dream be completely

1686
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: unfulfilled after we watch them work so hard to try

1687
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: to fulfill it. Yeah, which is the theme of a

1688
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: lot of sports movies. But just those two moments just

1689
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, just get me, I know.

1690
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 1: And like to that point, you know, Aaron Sorkin is involved,

1691
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: and he knows how to pull on those heartstrings. But

1692
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: I will say that I feel like this it is

1693
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: a perfect balance of that kind of like romance for

1694
01:25:53,120 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: this like time honored American tradition, very Aaron Sorkin, but

1695
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: then also like being a great film about these like

1696
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: quiet moments too. Yeah, And like that is ultimately what

1697
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely love about Moneyball. And I've been on record

1698
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: about this, like my substack and all my social media

1699
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 1: about how I think Moneyball is like my ASMR because

1700
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: this is why I think the movie is as good

1701
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: as it is is because the tone of it is

1702
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: very muted. I would say like it's very meditative. It

1703
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: kind of relaxes me, which is very strange to say,

1704
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: because most sports movies have keet up moments, and that

1705
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,520
Speaker 1: straight section of the film is very exciting.

1706
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 2: It's tense, like my heart was racing. Yeah, and you're right,

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01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 2: it's shocking to have that scene because the rest of

1708
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: the film is so methodical, which is what I think

1709
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: contributes to that feeling of ease. Yeah, even while hard

1710
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,919
Speaker 2: things are happening on screen, like it's a very methodical film.

1711
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like even in that. The whole movie generally though,

1712
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: is very restrain I would say for a sports film, right,

1713
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: and the lighting, the colors of it. There's even like

1714
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: the soundtrack or the score you know, was composed by

1715
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: Michael Dana who worked on Capodi. But the soundtrack is

1716
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: like it kind of reminds me of like I don't

1717
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: know what it is. It kind of sounds like Will

1718
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: Oldham or like maybe some kind of like Drag City artist.

1719
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: It's very like quiet and moody, and I'm just like,

1720
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: to me, I feel like it just sets this like

1721
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: really great tone for the film. It just chills me

1722
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: the fuck out. I love watching Moneyball, Like if it's

1723
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: on TV on a Sunday afternoon. I'm like, yes, my

1724
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: little cocoon going into the womb Moneyball. I love it, Like.

1725
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: I feel like, yes, I can sit down, Yeah, watch

1726
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 2: this shit.

1727
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: And I think that that's like to the credit of

1728
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: obviously with Bennett Miller. I mean, he's obviously making this movie.

1729
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: I mean the movie is essentially a disrupting systems, right

1730
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: of these like places that have had traditionally very strict

1731
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: rules and guidelines and regulations and just kind of coming

1732
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: in and like throwing a wrench in there and being like,

1733
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: maybe we try something different. And like the best part

1734
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 1: to me is truly the end, when you know, dancing

1735
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: around the ending, but you know, Brad Pitt goes and

1736
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: discusses his future with another team and that actor who

1737
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: plays that guy is awesome and I forgot his.

1738
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 2: Name so good.

1739
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I forget, but anyway, whoever that actor is,

1740
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: he's incredible. And they just have this like very basic

1741
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: conversation about just like very simple fundamental rules and it's

1742
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: kind of just like this is life, right, It's like

1743
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: and he tells them, you know, like the first one

1744
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: through the wall always gets bloody, like so you're the

1745
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: guy that disrupted everything and people are gonna think you're

1746
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 1: an idiot, but actually you did something.

1747
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: You know, when in baseball is mad at him, yes,

1748
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: for employing this tactic.

1749
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you strip all of that down to

1750
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: what the fundamental of that statement is, is that, like,

1751
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you're a person

1752
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: who is taking the road less traveled, you just got

1753
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: to like hopefully trust that one day it pays off

1754
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: and that people will understand what this was. Right. Like,

1755
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: that's a very stupid way of describing that, but I'm

1756
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: just saying, like I cannot help but feel moved by

1757
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: that concept where I'm just like, oh, here's a guy

1758
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: that kind of came in and like did some fucked

1759
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: up shit. Everybody thought he was an idiot, and maybe

1760
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for him in the short term,

1761
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: but maybe in the long term he's remembered and guess

1762
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: what he was.

1763
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 2: So Yeah, and his desire to change the game is

1764
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: not something he was able to see or access immediately. Yes,

1765
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 2: but he did change the game. He changed the way

1766
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 2: people thought of the game, he changed his own approach

1767
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: to the game. It's an important moment in the movie

1768
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 2: to realize that he can't see the effect that he

1769
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 2: has had on baseball because he's still too close to it. Yeah,

1770
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 2: but then realizing over time that he actually affected the

1771
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: game greatly.

1772
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's that like really classic scene of Peter

1773
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: Brand Jonah Hill's character showing him the tape from the

1774
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: minor league game about the guy that didn't know he

1775
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: hit a home run, and I swear to God, I'm

1776
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: like tears tears.

1777
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 2: God gets me every time.

1778
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: It gets me every time, And like, this movie is wonderful.

1779
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: It's like relaxing. It's poignant and interesting. It actually talks

1780
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: about a very muddy, confusing subject, but is also like

1781
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: you can totally understand it as a person who doesn't

1782
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: know anything about baseball. It's like the balance of it

1783
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: is so great in that way completely it's for heads

1784
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: and non heads. And then also I have to say

1785
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: there are moments where it's just so fucking funny and stupid.

1786
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Like whatever Peter Brand pretends to be a jock and

1787
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: fails cracks me up, Like when he throws the baseball

1788
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: at Billy Bean and he's like, what the fuck, why'd

1789
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: you do that? He's like, I don't.

1790
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: This is not my world.

1791
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, but like, yeah, if you go

1792
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: to my social movie on my Instagram, I did this

1793
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: like one minute loop of Peter Brand printing something out

1794
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: at his desk, and I'm like, yeah, this is so chill.

1795
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: I could fall asleep to this.

1796
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 2: I love that there are so many moments in this

1797
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 2: movie that put you at such ease that you could

1798
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 2: go to sleep. Like for me, it's Killy and Murphy

1799
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 2: in the call map. For you, it's Moneyball, Moneyball, I

1800
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 2: swear like somebody printing something and Moneyball like, I'm out out.

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01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: It's such a wonderful movie for me. One of my

1802
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: favorite sports movies for sure. And yeah, I'm just thankful

1803
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: for the week. Love these two movies.

1804
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 2: So love these movies, and I'm they could not be

1805
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: more perfectly timed, because you know, concert tickets are pain

1806
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 2: in the ass, but I'm gonna be buy some tickets

1807
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 2: to see some Mets games this year. Oh yeah, you

1808
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 2: gots to You can always get a cute, cheapy ticket

1809
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: to go see a ball game.

1810
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have fairly complicated issues with my home team,

1811
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Brigs. That's for another time. In fact, I

1812
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: probably talked about it a little bit on a boats

1813
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: I feel like I did talk about it. But you

1814
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: know what, like I love the game of baseball, I

1815
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: will go see it anytime.

1816
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Come to New York see a Mets game with me.

1817
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: Oh, I would love to. I've never been to what

1818
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: is it city Field? Is that where they still play?

1819
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: I know? Yeah, unfortunately because She Stadium was the fucking tits.

1820
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Cityfield is fine, but like Chase Stadium was

1821
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: the business. So I miss I miss Chase Stadium every

1822
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 2: day my fucking life. But I will go to City

1823
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Field and see a fucking game if I have to.

1824
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,960
Speaker 2: It's fine and historic, though it may be never been

1825
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,799
Speaker 2: a Yankee stadium.

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01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what would that be?

1827
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Like?

1828
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: I bet you that's like buying, you know, five hundred

1829
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: dollars concert tickets.

1830
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Or exactly honestly thrown out the first pitch. So now

1831
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 2: the ticket is a thousand dollars. What we should do

1832
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 2: is go see a Mets game at Cinniu and then

1833
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 2: we should drive to Boston and go to Fenway because

1834
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: Fenway is a fucking dobst park in the middle of

1835
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 2: the city.

1836
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: Also, you know, I'm a big fan of minor league baseball,

1837
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: love a minor league game.

1838
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh my god, Minor league and Rhode Island

1839
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 2: is amazing.

1840
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is.

1841
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Holy shit. But Tucket's got that shit on lock. All right,

1842
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: we will continue this conversation for sure.

1843
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: I love it. And you could come down here and

1844
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,719
Speaker 1: come see the Chattanooga lookouts with me sometime. They're fun.

1845
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 2: Ooh oh, you know, I also want to see before

1846
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 2: we cut it off. I also think we have to

1847
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 2: go to a game with the Savannah Bananas and the

1848
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 2: party animals.

1849
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is they're like the Hansen Brothers of uh,

1850
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: They're like they're absolutely wild.

1851
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,879
Speaker 2: They're wild with dance.

1852
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's kind of like I've been hearing

1853
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 1: and seeing videos about them, and I'm like, they are

1854
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: full four hours away from me right now. I should

1855
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: just go just go.

1856
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna do some some summertime baseball road tripping'.

1857
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:11,439
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Speaker 2: Just start with a nice address and you know, just

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Speaker 1: They do. Okay, you want to talk about this next episode?

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01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 2: You know, I finand oup, Oh my god, next week

1897
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 2: it's gotta be a whopper. Your homework is to watch

1898
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 2: Freeway from nineteen ninety six and Smooth Talk from nineteen

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01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 2: eighty five.

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01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Dude, incredible.

1901
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 2: And at this point, I don't even care if you

1902
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: guess the theme. Watch the fucking movies.

1903
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 1: Just watch them.

1904
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Come on, just watch them, get into your life, have

1905
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 2: a blast.

1906
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: Don't skirt on that homework.

1907
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: It's easier to guess the theme if you watch the movies.

1908
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, yeah, I know.

1909
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that the key to success?

1910
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: Like that is the crucial component that is missing for

1911
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 2: most people, Like I can't believe I couldn't guess the

1912
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 2: theme and I'm like, you didn't even watch the movies.

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01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: I know, try it.

1914
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 2: You're not looking for what's connecting them.

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01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: Well, listen, Danielle as always a fucking pleasure. Drew this

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Speaker 1: podcast with.

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Speaker 2: You, always the best, but this has been an exactly

1918
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: right production. Produced by Casey O'Brien, episode mixing and theme

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01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,679
Speaker 2: music by Tom Bryfogel, artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive

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Speaker 2: producers are Georgia Hartstart, karenkil Garriff, and Daniel Kramer. You

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