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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in.

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Speaker 3: It is another special episode of What's Right with Nick

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Speaker 3: write In, the podcasting YouTube show where we go through

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Speaker 3: the fifty best players of the last fifty years in

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Speaker 3: the NBA.

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Speaker 2: We are now.

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Speaker 3: This is the first episode where we get into the

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Speaker 3: top twenty. So we get to the top twenty, we

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Speaker 3: of course have to give you twenty one and twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I thought was going to be an.

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Speaker 3: Incredibly difficult player to rank because of how we're doing this.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, I'm gonna have to rank him,

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Speaker 3: and then what if he then goes on and wins

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Speaker 3: the title? This year how much that would change things. However,

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Speaker 3: that's no longer a problem because as we're recording this,

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Speaker 3: we are just days removed from him squandering what was

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Speaker 3: almost assuredly his last best chance to win a title.

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Speaker 3: But that should not distract us from the fact he

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Speaker 3: is still an all time great. So let's get right

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Speaker 3: into it. The twenty first best player of the last

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Speaker 3: fifty years, the point got himself.

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Speaker 4: Number twenty one, Chris Paul.

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Speaker 3: So Chris Paul, as we sit here as of recording,

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Speaker 3: has four First Team All NBAS, five second Team All NBAS.

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Speaker 2: And one third Team All NBA.

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Speaker 3: He almost assuredly is going to add to that this season,

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Speaker 3: but the All NBA teams have not yet been announced.

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Speaker 3: Is finished second place in MVP voting in O eight

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Speaker 3: is a pop five times He's finished in the top five,

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Speaker 3: seven times he's finished in the top six, and ten

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Speaker 3: times Chris Paul has finished in the top ten in

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Speaker 3: MVP voting. He's a five time assist champ, including winning

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Speaker 3: an assist title aged twenty two and winning an assist

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Speaker 3: title at age thirty six. Fourteen years removed were his

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Speaker 3: assist titles. He's won the Steels Championship six times, nine

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Speaker 3: times all defense. He also won Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 3: if you're interested in that. He's third all time in

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Speaker 3: career assists and sixth all time in career steals. The

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Speaker 3: regular season resume is one of better than the twenty

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Speaker 3: first best player of all time.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest here.

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Speaker 3: The regular season resume would say it's probably the second

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Speaker 3: greatest point guard ever. The regular season resume would be

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Speaker 3: Magic won, Chris Paul two, depending on what you want

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Speaker 2: But spoiler alert.

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Speaker 3: I have four, well, I have three point guards plus

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Speaker 3: Oscar Oscars who worled for the list ahead of Chris Paul.

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Speaker 2: Because Magic's ahead of him, steps ahead of him, Isaiah

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Speaker 3: So why it's because the postseason resume and what that's

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Speaker 3: This was true before this season ended in the most

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Speaker 3: inglorious fashion imaginable is spotty. Now, spotty doesn't mean all

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Speaker 3: bad a guy like Harden. Harden's postseason resume is almost

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Speaker 3: entirely bad. Chris's postseason resume is not entirely bad. So

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Speaker 3: let's go through the plus in the minus of it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he is fifth all time in playoff assists. His first

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Speaker 3: career playoff game, he was thirty five and ten, followed

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Speaker 3: by a thirty two and seventeen, followed by a twenty four,

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Speaker 3: year and oh eight he took the defending Chain Campian

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Speaker 3: That ain't great, and however you look at it, you're like, okay.

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Speaker 3: in fact, you don't have another super noteworthy postseason event

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Speaker 3: Of recording, which is we're recording right before the Western

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Speaker 2: So he did that in Game seven against the Warriors.

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Speaker 3: In twenty fourteen, he averaged t twenty three to twelve

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Speaker 3: next year he has twenty five and ten, including a

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Speaker 3: Game seven buzzer beater. It's like, okay, so he had

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Speaker 3: a Game seven. He hits the buzzer beater, if you

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Speaker 3: remember it, he kind of got bumped banked in off

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Speaker 3: the glass to win a Game seven. But then his

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Speaker 3: at the time single worst playoff moment immediately followed. They're

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Speaker 3: up three to one against the Rockets. They lose all

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Speaker 3: And the previous year, when I said the twenty fourteen season,

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Speaker 3: we're not going to kill him for it, We're not

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Speaker 3: back to back terrible turnovers. So twenty fourteen, he has

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Speaker 3: Clippers really the better team or was that Katie and Russ? Okay,

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Speaker 3: six meltdown. He did have thirty one and eleven, but he's.

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Speaker 2: Still attached to the loss.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen is supposed to be his most. He has

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Speaker 3: forty one, seven and ten to eliminate the Jazz to

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Speaker 3: the Western Conference Finals, and they are beating an all

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, he's on a Thunder team that's supposed

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not really on him.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I was twenty twenty. I didn't say that right.

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Speaker 3: That was the bubble year. But then last year, last

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Speaker 3: this Phoenix team that had never sniffed the playoffs before

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Speaker 3: he gets there. He goes there. He averages twenty one

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Speaker 3: Then in the Conference finals he averages twenty four and

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Speaker 3: one of the single greatest playoff games of his life

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Speaker 3: to get to the finals. In his first career finals game,

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Speaker 3: he's thirty two to nine, but the Sunder.

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Speaker 2: Up two to zero and then they lose four straight

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Speaker 2: and then this year, what did we see?

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Speaker 3: First game of the playoffs thirty and ten against the

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Speaker 3: in NBA all time playoff record fourteen to fourteen from

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Speaker 3: the field, it's the MAVs series. Unbelievable Game one, unbelievable

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Speaker 2: So what do you do?

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Speaker 3: Chris Paul's regular season resume far out shines. Isaiah Thomas

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Speaker 3: is neck and neck, if not as far as true

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Speaker 3: have some great postseason moments, but repeatedly in the biggest spots.

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Speaker 3: The point God does not play his biggest ball. So

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Speaker 3: it's hard for me to have them higher than right

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Speaker 3: don't I think this is gonna end up being his

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Speaker 3: last best shot. Last year up two to oh in

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Speaker 3: he was not good. The final five games of that series,

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to spend this time knocking him

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Speaker 3: to the twenty first greatest player ever? Why is he

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Speaker 3: not hired? That's why he's not hired. We've got a

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Speaker 3: couple of callers that want to chime on Chris Paul.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from it.

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Speaker 5: What a knit look at this new audience, Gonna make

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Speaker 5: sure I'm Krispy up here. Top fifty of the last fifty, Hugh, Now,

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Speaker 5: CP three's my homie, but he was my third favorite clipper.

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Speaker 5: I was a Blake guy, and then DeAndre just was

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Speaker 5: flying through the sky and lops city hits. And you

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Speaker 5: know who Chris Paul was. He was the adult in

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Speaker 5: the room. Chris Paul is the one that leveled everything out. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we didn't realize our full potential, but without Chris Paul,

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Speaker 5: I don't think we even sniffed that. So I got

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Speaker 5: respect for CP three, who's still out here cooking, looking

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Speaker 5: better than ever. That's what happens when you become a vegan.

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Speaker 5: Hey Man had me on the podcast for real instead

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Speaker 5: of the little clips.

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Speaker 2: We chopping up two chains?

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Speaker 5: All right, boy, hey Nick, how you doing?

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Speaker 6: Melissa ruling here? Nashal, NBA reporter for Fox Sports. Great list,

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Speaker 6: by the way, but I have a question for you,

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Speaker 6: Chris Paul. I think we can agree. He's an incredible passer,

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Speaker 6: an incredible playmaker, and incredible defender. Heck, I'd even say

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Speaker 6: he's one of the top five NBA point guards of

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Speaker 6: all time. So my question for you is, is the

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Speaker 6: never won a championship. If he had won a title,

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Speaker 6: would he've given him a little bit of a higher nod?

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Speaker 3: Listen to answer her question absolutely, unequivocally yes, And in fact,

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Speaker 3: the guy who you're about to hear is number twenty,

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Speaker 3: who's going to be my far and away most controversial inclusion.

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Speaker 2: He would be higher than him.

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Speaker 3: He also, I don't want to give the list away,

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Speaker 3: but I haven't mentioned Charles Barkley, I haven't mentioned Karl Malone.

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Speaker 3: Those are best players without a ring. Chris Paul would

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Speaker 3: be ahead of it. But instead those are players also

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Speaker 3: without a ring who won a league MVP. He did

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Speaker 3: not like it's he would if he had won a

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Speaker 3: he didn't, so he doesn't. And de Marcellus's point, those

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Speaker 3: you lose to the Thunder, but they were in position

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back in What's Right with Nick Wright podcast,

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Speaker 2: Higher number twenty. Luka Danci, Now let me say this.

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Speaker 2: Here's where we're at with Luca.

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Speaker 3: He's two to first team All NBA, but that might

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Speaker 3: thirty three to nine to nine. No other player in

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Speaker 3: playoff history averages thirty six and six. He averages thirty three,

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Speaker 3: so let's go through year by year For Luca twenty

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Speaker 3: In the elimination game of that series, he has thirty eight,

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Speaker 2: Was it Luca's fault? Well, I don't know. He had

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Speaker 3: In Game seven, again with Koir Paul George guarding him

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Speaker 3: him too low. Luka Doncic is the twentieth greatest player

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Speaker 3: of the last fifty years. At a minimum, we now

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Speaker 2: Is, I know is going to take massive issue with this.

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Speaker 2: Let me hear.

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Speaker 8: Nikk you just couldn't wait, could you? You just could

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Speaker 8: not wait. It is the year twenty twenty two. It

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Speaker 8: is only the year twenty twenty two. And let me

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Speaker 8: make sure I'm looking at this shit right, Luka Doncis

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Speaker 8: is already a better player. Thank Kevin Garnett, David Robinson.

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Speaker 8: I'm just pointing out there, Kole, while I'm just pointing.

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Speaker 2: Out the egregious ones. Come on, man, wait a little while.

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Speaker 2: It's too soon. It's too soon and too wrong.

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Speaker 3: But it's bo I love you. It's not too soon.

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Speaker 3: It's not too row. Kevin Garnett. As much as I

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Speaker 3: adorn put up his five best playoff games ever, Luca

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Speaker 3: has already got five better go game for game. Kg's

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Speaker 3: in a Game seven of Western Conference semifinals. Luke, I

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Speaker 3: told you did forty four to nine and nine facing elimination.

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Speaker 3: I had a game Sevemary scored forty six. David Robinson,

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Speaker 3: who again I adore he had thirty six and sixteen

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Speaker 3: and sixteen. Luca did better than that in.

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Speaker 2: His first playoff game ever. KG, God love him, KG.

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Speaker 2: What was the story on him?

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Speaker 3: Can't get out of the first round, can't get out

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Speaker 3: until he got legitimate teammates. Lucas never had another All

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Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neil on the fifty Greatest Players in NBA History

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Speaker 3: After his rookie year, He's been first team or second team.

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Speaker 3: top six six MVP voting every year, First Team All

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Speaker 3: six rebounds, six assists. Luca averages thirty three points, nine rebounds,

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Speaker 3: nine assists every Luka Doncic's playoff moment. It's either the

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Speaker 3: He is going to go down as one of the

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Speaker 3: in What's Right? Nick Right Podcast special episode as we

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Speaker 3: Number twenty was Luka Dncic, it's gonna be wildly controversial.

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Speaker 2: Number nineteen will not be.

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Speaker 3: Number nineteen is a guy everyone respects, everyone loves, and

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Speaker 4: Number nineteen Dwayne Wade.

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Speaker 3: Dee Wade's regular season resume is good, but not elite.

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Speaker 3: His regular season resume two time first Team Well NBA,

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Speaker 3: body gave out on him. He was a dominant playoff

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Speaker 3: performer from day one. He went to five NBA finals,

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Speaker 3: he won three titles, and he was the best player

436
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Speaker 3: on one of those title teams winning finals MVP, so

437
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Speaker 3: he was the second best player obviously on the other

438
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Speaker 3: four finalists, winning two more rings two thousand and five

439
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Speaker 3: averages third. So just from he comes into the league

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Speaker 3: three toh four by five his second year in the league.

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Speaker 3: In d Wade's defense, Lebron had not yet made the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Same draft Class d WAD two thousand and five, final

443
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Speaker 3: three games of round two averages.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five, eight to eight.

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Speaker 3: He has a forty eight and six and thirty six

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Speaker 3: and seven in games two and three of the conference

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Speaker 3: finals in his second year in the league against the

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Speaker 3: defending champion Detroit Pistons. Now it's not enough. They end

449
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Speaker 3: up losing that series. Detroit goes on to the finals, obviously,

450
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Speaker 3: but he was immediately awesome again year two, final three

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Speaker 3: games of round two averages thirty five to eight to eight.

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Speaker 2: And then in games.

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Speaker 3: Two and three of a series against Detroit that they

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Speaker 3: would go up to one on the defending champion Pistons,

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Speaker 3: he gives you forty points, eight rebound, six assists, and

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Speaker 3: then thirty six points and seven rebounds Game three.

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Speaker 2: Detroit would go on to win.

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Speaker 3: But then the next year is where the d Way

459
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Speaker 3: legend really grows, down two to Dallas in the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: This is what he does.

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Speaker 3: In the final four games down oh two, he has

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Speaker 3: a forty two point of forty two to thirteen. Down

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Speaker 3: two one, he has a thirty six and six. Series

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Speaker 3: tied two games of he has a forty three and

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Speaker 3: four and then up three to two. He has thirty

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Speaker 3: six points, ten rebounds, five assists for steels, three blocks

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Speaker 3: to win the title. One of the greatest finals performances

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Speaker 3: by anyone ever. In fact, one would argue, I would

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Speaker 3: argue that the only finals performance.

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Speaker 2: Is better than what d Wade did.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: Six were authored by Michael Jordan, Lebron James, and Jannis

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Speaker 3: Sontani Kubo. Those Jordan had a couple that were better

474
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Speaker 3: than this, Lebron's had a couple that were better than this,

475
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Speaker 3: Giannis had last year's, and then it's d Wade. He

476
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Speaker 3: and by the way, Game five series tied two games apiece,

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Speaker 3: down one two seconds left in overtime, d Wade gets fouled,

478
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Speaker 3: hits both free throws. That was his third year in

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Speaker 3: the league. He's a Finals MVP and with an all

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Speaker 3: time great finals performance.

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Speaker 2: Then bit of a dry spell oh nine, he.

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Speaker 3: Has forty one to five in a game six to

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Speaker 3: stave off elimination against Atlanta. Twenty ten, he faces the

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Speaker 3: Big Three in Boston in Round one, averages thirty three,

485
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Speaker 3: six and seven, including facing elimination, has a forty six, five.

486
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Speaker 2: And five, but the Big Three beat them.

487
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Speaker 3: Then twenty eleven Lebron comes to town that twenty eleven postseason,

488
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Speaker 3: though Dwayne Wade was better than Lebron James. In twenty eleven,

489
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Speaker 3: he averaged thirty seven and five to knock Boston out

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Speaker 3: of the playoffs, and then in the finals he averaged

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Speaker 3: twenty seven seven and five. Was the best player on

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Speaker 3: the Heat by far. Lebron was not with it that series.

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Speaker 3: We all know the story there in Game two, which

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Speaker 3: Game two, the whole NBA history is different if the

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Speaker 3: Heater able to hold onto that lead. In Game two,

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Speaker 3: he had thirty six points, five rebound, six assists. They

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Speaker 3: lose that series. But let's if the Heat had managed

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Speaker 3: to win that series, d Wade would have been Finals

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Speaker 3: MVP on a team with Lebron twenty twelve, when the

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Speaker 3: Heat finally do get their first ring. He had a

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Speaker 3: forty one to ten to close out the Frisky Pacers

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Speaker 3: in twenty twelve, and in those finals he had twenty

503
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Speaker 3: average twenty three, six and five. Now he has two rings.

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Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen, Monster Game four against the Spurs. They're down

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Speaker 3: two to one or the Heat and d Wade is

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Speaker 3: thirty two points, six rebounds, four assists, six steals to

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Speaker 3: even the series two games a piece before obviously the

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Speaker 3: Ray Allen shot in Game six and the Lebron masterpiece

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Speaker 3: in Game seven. In that Lebron masterpiece, by the way,

510
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Speaker 3: though famously Lebron had thirty seven and twelve Chris Bosh

511
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Speaker 3: had zero. That game came down to the final minutes.

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Speaker 3: Dweighted twenty three to ten in that game and average

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Speaker 3: twenty four and five for the series. Unfortunately for d Wade,

514
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Speaker 3: that was he had only had one more great postseason

515
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Speaker 3: moment twenty fourteen. His knees were shot. He was no good.

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Speaker 3: He was a big reason why the Heat lost and

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, I will give him credit. A resurgent Dwayne

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Speaker 3: Wade playing for Miami Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 2: Semi finals twenty sixteen. The Calves are waiting.

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Speaker 3: The Calves with Lebron are waiting in the Eastern Conference

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Speaker 3: Finals and d Wade is playing Toronto.

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Speaker 2: It goes seven games.

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Speaker 3: He averages twenty six points, six rebounds, four assists.

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Speaker 2: But they lose in seven.

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Speaker 3: It would have been unbelievable to see that team take

526
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Speaker 3: on Lebron and the Calves.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they would have a shot. Would have

528
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: been a good theater, so d Wade's playoff flame didn't.

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Speaker 3: Burn as long as you would like, but it burned

530
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Speaker 3: so incandescently hot. One of the greatest finals performances ever,

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Speaker 3: another excellent finals performance and a loss because Lebron wasn't

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Speaker 3: good enough in twenty eleven, a great wingman performance in

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. All of that combined with

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Speaker 3: the fact that he is at least in my estimation,

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Speaker 3: if we're ranking two guards of the last fifty years,

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Speaker 3: it goes Michael Kobe Wade.

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Speaker 2: He is was always and I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't even mention one of the more underrated defenders in

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Speaker 3: his position, even though he never won an MVP. I

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Speaker 3: feel very comfortable with him exactly where he is the

541
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Speaker 3: nineteenth best player of the last fifty years.

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Speaker 2: One Dwayne Wade. We have a caller that wants to

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Speaker 2: ask a question about d Wade.

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Speaker 9: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Nick?

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Speaker 9: Your own from Fox Sports. So with Dwayne Wade, he

547
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Speaker 9: is awesome. I cannot make any argument against him. But

548
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Speaker 9: looking over his career resume, one thing that did stand

549
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Speaker 9: out was the fact that he only had two first

550
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Speaker 9: Team All NBA nods and just two top five MVP

551
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Speaker 9: f images. So my question for you is, did you

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Speaker 9: take that into account and does that say something about

553
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Speaker 9: how good Dwayne Wade actually was at his best?

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Speaker 7: Thanks?

555
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I took him new account.

556
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Speaker 3: If d Wade had won a league MVP and was

557
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Speaker 3: like six time first team All NBA, then he'd be

558
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Speaker 3: higher on this list. But because his regular season resume

559
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Speaker 3: is a guy who probably should be in the thirty

560
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Speaker 3: five to forty five range, his postseason resume is a

561
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Speaker 3: guy that should be in probably the eight to fourteen range.

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Speaker 3: You put them together, you comment at nineteen. Demonse's been

563
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Speaker 3: sitting here listening to rant about these players. He also

564
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Speaker 3: has a d Wade question.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Yeah, by putting Wade this high, you're kind

566
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Speaker 4: of saying something about Lebron.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it just sounds like he won his first

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Speaker 4: two titles because he had a top twenty player on

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Speaker 4: his team. You know, if you got two top twenty

571
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Speaker 4: guys all time on your team, it kind of feels

572
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Speaker 4: like an underachievement to only win two titles.

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Speaker 3: Well, would that would be correct if for the four

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Speaker 3: years they were together they had two top twenty all

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Speaker 3: time guys, but they didn't because twenty eleven in the

576
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Speaker 3: finals Lebron didn't play like a top two hundred all

577
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Speaker 3: time guy. That's one title they didn't win twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: The entire playoff series, d Wade was like fifteen points

579
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Speaker 3: per game. He wasn't top twenty player in the league,

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Speaker 3: much less all the time.

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Speaker 2: The two years.

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Speaker 3: Where they both were, Lebron was at his apex and

583
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Speaker 3: d Wade was at his near apex, they won both Tigers.

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Speaker 3: So I understand the point. But there the problem for

585
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Speaker 3: d Wade is after the twenty thirteen season his knees

586
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: were shot. The problem for Lebron is twenty eleven, he's

587
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: spit the bit or else they'd have won that title.

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Speaker 3: D Wade was good enough, but a huge part of

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Speaker 3: d Wade's legacy comes years before Lebron joins the team.

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Speaker 3: What he did that six postseason will never be forgotten.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest finals performances ever. It helps

592
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Speaker 3: Shack solidify his himself post Kobe, and so I'm very

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Speaker 3: comfortable with it. Dwayne Wade the nineteenth best player of

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Speaker 3: the last fifty years. He has three rings. We start

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Speaker 3: off next week's list with a couple of guys with

596
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Speaker 3: no rings, So how did they get here. We'll discuss

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Speaker 3: that next week. It is what's right with the great

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Speaker 3: special episode fifty greatest Players in the last fifty year