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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us this Thursday edition.

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Speaker 1: We are down in the great state of Texas. This

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Speaker 1: week they are celebrating Texan independence, which I believe is

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Speaker 1: mark I mean, Texans are gonna be angry at me

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Speaker 1: for not knowing this one hundred percent. I believe it's

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Speaker 1: marked second right Buck. Indeed, going back to eighteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: which was the year of the Alamo, we are here

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Speaker 1: at katrh in Houston. You ever been to the Alamo before? Buck,

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Speaker 1: I have not. Actually, I was a nerd as a kids,

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Speaker 1: probably not gonna surprise people listening right now, and one

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Speaker 1: of the things that I was obsessed with was the Albamo.

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Speaker 1: So when I was six years old, I went to

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Speaker 1: San Antonio, Texas. What I wanted to do for my birthday.

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Speaker 1: My dad took me to the Alamo. And if you

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Speaker 1: haven't ever been before in San Antonio is an incredible town.

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Speaker 1: But if you haven't ever been before, the album is

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Speaker 1: just right in the middle of San Antonio, and you

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Speaker 1: have this idea if you've watched the movies, if you've

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Speaker 1: obviously paid attention that there's going to be some massive

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Speaker 1: pasture of land all around it because of the way

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Speaker 1: the battle was fought back in the day, right smack

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Speaker 1: dab in the center of San Antonio. But is a really,

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Speaker 1: really cool historical experience if you are like me, I

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Speaker 1: try to hit every Civil War battlefield, And obviously, if

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Speaker 1: you are interested in American history, back in eighteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: that was a I was a heck of a time

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Speaker 1: to be studying. So clay life's one of my life's

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Speaker 1: goals is to fly to the tiny island of Malta

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the Mediterranean. Oh yeah, you see

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Speaker 1: the siege fortifications of the Great Siege of fifteen sixty five.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no where You're good. You're in good company.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm surprised you haven't been to the album before.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been in the Statue of Liberty and I

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Speaker 1: live in New York City. Yeah, you just weren't willing

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Speaker 1: ever got taken as a kid, and everyone that I

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Speaker 1: know has already been, and I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: on myself. You know what, this is actually amazing. At

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Speaker 1: some point this summer, I might have my kids up

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Speaker 1: in New York City now that they're getting back to

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Speaker 1: normalcy in New York City, and maybe you can join

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Speaker 1: us on the trip to the Statue of Liberty with

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Speaker 1: my kids. I will tag along for the great Travis

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Speaker 1: Statue of Liberty extravaganza. No question, on a on a

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Speaker 1: beautiful day, it's quite nice. I've I've been to Staten Island.

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Speaker 1: Why were you at Staten Island? Why I got friends

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Speaker 1: with Stating? All right? I'm just wondering. I just wondering,

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Speaker 1: say um, all right. So the Ukraine situation continues to evolve.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot of different companies take action against

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Speaker 1: everything having to do with Russia. The sanctions are still

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Speaker 1: not having the full impact that they could if we

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Speaker 1: were willing to stop paying for Russian oil. I saw

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio tweet out this morning that we are buying

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Speaker 1: six hundred thousand barrel of oil from Russia every day,

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Speaker 1: which is madness because we're just putting more money into

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Speaker 1: Russian coffers that Vladimir Putin is then using to fight

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Speaker 1: his war in Ukraine. But I had an interesting conversation yesterday.

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Speaker 1: My wife is in law school. She is finishing her

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Speaker 1: law degree, and one of her law professors is at

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Speaker 1: Vanderbilt University of Vanderbilt University of Law School, which is

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Speaker 1: also where I went, has done an interesting study. He

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Speaker 1: did a lot of work in international affairs back when

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Speaker 1: he was in the military, and he's done a lot

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Speaker 1: of work with war crimes named Michael Newton. He's on

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Speaker 1: the faculty at Vanderbilt, and she brought me an editorial

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Speaker 1: that he has written arguing that what the United States

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Speaker 1: should do from now is obviously we're not going to

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Speaker 1: and it's not smart to get involved. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: Russian air of superiority. What he says is something where

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Speaker 1: I think the conversation is going to get evolved, and

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Speaker 1: that is Vladimir Putin is clearly in this expert on

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Speaker 1: international war crimes. Again, Michael Newton, and there are many

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Speaker 1: crime investigations. Now. I want to play you this audio

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Speaker 1: Putin is committing war crimes, even though it seems quite

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Speaker 1: We are following very close to this earlier to say

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Speaker 1: Zelenski says, this is clearly genocide. He's on the ground

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Speaker 1: right there in Ukraine. Play cut three. Listen to this.

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Speaker 1: This is genis genocide and Nazis. And I am ashamed

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Speaker 1: that we are in the twenty first century, in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and we are seeing act people are told forget,

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Speaker 1: forget Maya, predictions of the end of the world. This

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Speaker 1: is the end of the world. If the russ such

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Speaker 1: actions this world is that's an end fool people like that.

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Speaker 1: The issue is that we are the board defense between

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Speaker 1: them and the civilization, all right. And then in America

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Speaker 1: there are some politicians who are now picking up this argument,

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Speaker 1: including Ukrainian born congresswoman from Indiana, Victoria Sparks, who says,

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Speaker 1: this is genocide, this is clearly a war crime. Listen

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Speaker 1: to what she said, this question and how it should

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Speaker 1: be answered about Vladimir Putin and whether he is a

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Speaker 1: war criminal. Hopefully, you know, we can have more pressures

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Speaker 1: for things happen, because people need to have your responsibility

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Speaker 1: for the genocide, for killing people, for war crimes. It's

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Speaker 1: not a war, it's killing extermination of people. All right,

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this argument, buck Well? First of all,

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Speaker 1: Russia is no longer a signatory to the International Criminal Court.

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Speaker 1: They pulled out in twenty sixteen after the annexation of CRIMEA.

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Speaker 1: Now does that really matter, No, because you can still

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Speaker 1: bring charges technically in the International Criminal Court against somebody

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Speaker 1: for war crimes even if they're not a signatory. But

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Speaker 1: it does complicate matters a little bit. You'd also have

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Speaker 1: Putin is not leaving. You know, Putin is not touching

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Speaker 1: arguing that Coalition US actions I'm saying what he would argue.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's true, but he would argue the

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Speaker 1: Coalition US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan in different contexts

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Speaker 1: also would constitute war crimes. Right, So there's this is

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Speaker 1: not going to it's not going to stop the conflict now.

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Speaker 1: down with a legal challenge, Right. You think it makes

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Speaker 1: unwind a bit. The legitimacy of Putin's reign, yes, but

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Speaker 1: you also have to remember that even billionaire oligarchs in

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really care right so as if you're not

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a greater recognition today, certainly as

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Speaker 1: you have the loss of the first City, although there's

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Speaker 1: The Russian war machine is showing no signs of slowing down.

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Speaker 1: And just because they didn't get a blitzkrieg or a

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Speaker 1: There is no future in which and Putin knows that,

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Speaker 1: he knows people want the gas to flow. He knows

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways to continue on with this.

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Speaker 1: So that makes everything more challenging, all the pressure we

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Speaker 1: that way. I think it's an interesting question how longer

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Speaker 1: consider right, it's very easy to be pro Zalinski and

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Speaker 1: Because I think that's it's an interesting dynamic because the

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Speaker 1: minute by minute updates of what's going on in Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: in the Syrian Civil War that went on for years.

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Speaker 1: on the team entirely. What about the lack of kindness

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Speaker 1: and courtesy for that person? This is just like we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. Oh, let the transgender youth you know in

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Speaker 1: high school use the girls locker room and it'll make

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Speaker 1: them feel better. Well, what about the twelve year old

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Speaker 1: girl that now has to get dressed next to a

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Speaker 1: biological biological male also known as a male? Is why?

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Speaker 1: You know it started out with just use the preferred pronoun.

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Speaker 1: Just be nice to people. And we all, look, we

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Speaker 1: want to be nice, we want to treat everybody well.

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Speaker 1: But at some point you can't live by lies. And

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Speaker 1: Leah Thomas is living by a lie. Here, Leah Thomas,

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Speaker 1: you can change your name. It's fine, you know, call

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Speaker 1: this person Leah. But even in all the news coverage

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Speaker 1: of it, it's always, it's always a situation where Leah

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Speaker 1: Thomas is referred to as a she. Leah Thomas is

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Speaker 1: not a she. And once you start with the basic

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make this concession that gender, gender

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Speaker 1: cannot be changed. That's not reality, it's not scientific reality.

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Speaker 1: But also just on the on the on the losses

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Speaker 1: that will occur because of this to people. Leah Thomas

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Speaker 1: not the last person who's going to do this. And

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Speaker 1: think of all the people along the way who feel like,

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Speaker 1: not only are they missing out on metals and spots

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Speaker 1: on teams clay, but at some level their sport is

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Speaker 1: being made a mockery of. Now, this is absurd. Women's

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Speaker 1: swimming is being made a mockery of by this, by

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Speaker 1: the reality of not actually segregating anymore by gender. This

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Speaker 1: is absurd. Well, what's also wild about this buck is

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Speaker 1: we talk so much about improper benefits in the world

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Speaker 1: of athletics, and so take it outside again of transgenderism,

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Speaker 1: and if you are taking steroids. For instance, we're living

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Speaker 1: down in Houston where Roger Clemens was right for a

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Speaker 1: large part of his career. If I remember correctly, if

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Speaker 1: you're able to be bigger, stronger, and faster through using drugs,

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Speaker 1: you aren't allowed to compete. They test you for the

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Speaker 1: Olympics right to see whether or not you're using prohibited substances.

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Speaker 1: How in the world is changing your gender not considered

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Speaker 1: to be a prohibited substance. Just following on this logic,

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Speaker 1: if you can get Barry Bonds, let's use Barry Bonds. Example,

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Speaker 1: most people know him, great player, decides that he's going

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Speaker 1: to use steroids, becomes the home run king of Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, gets caught using steroids, and Congress investigates what

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Speaker 1: is going on with steroids in baseball. You can argue

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Speaker 1: whether or not Congress should get involved, but the ida

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Speaker 1: was the inherent fair play of athletics demanded that Congress investigate.

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Speaker 1: And also because we didn't want to encourage fifteen year olds,

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Speaker 1: sixteen year olds out there to shoot themselves up with drugs.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, the East German women dominated in

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Speaker 1: the Olympics because they were using steroids. Same thing happened

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Speaker 1: with Russians right they were doping. They were using all

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Speaker 1: sorts of illegal substances. How is that impermissible? But you

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Speaker 1: are going to say a man can decide to turn

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Speaker 1: himself into a woman by using drugs and then that

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Speaker 1: man can dominate women's athletics and that's considered to be okay.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example what you were just

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Speaker 1: hitting at buck. My guys did a great job and

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Speaker 1: girls covering this at out kick and still are because

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Speaker 1: most people won't touch it in the world of sports.

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Speaker 1: One of the girls on the Penn swimming team, who

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Speaker 1: didn't want her name to be used, said that when

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Speaker 1: she grows up and gets married and has her own kids,

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Speaker 1: she hopes that she has boys because if she has girls,

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Speaker 1: her fear is transgender men who have decided to become

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Speaker 1: women are going to end women's athletics. She said, what

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Speaker 1: you pointed out right now, it's one person who is

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Speaker 1: dominating in women's sports. But what happens when there's fifteen

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Speaker 1: people dominating women's sports. What happens when the sprinting at

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Speaker 1: the Olympics is all dudes who have decided to be girls,

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Speaker 1: And who thinks who thinks that there's not going to

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Speaker 1: be in an increase in this Once you we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Olympics. You me a college swimmer, obviously you

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Speaker 1: don't make a dime and swimming is not in general

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Speaker 1: a big, big money draw for anybody until you're talking

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Speaker 1: about being a gold medalists metalist is that they've done

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Speaker 1: analysis to show it's worth seven figures, right, it's worth

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Speaker 1: a few million dollars, especially in a sport like swimming

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Speaker 1: where people pay attention at the Olympics, there's there's actual

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Speaker 1: endorsement value to that. Well, now you get to be

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Speaker 1: a hero to those who are on the ideological le

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Speaker 1: for doing this, because they remember, they don't think this

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Speaker 1: is bad. The true hardcore left in this country thinks

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Speaker 1: that this is to be celebrated and if you don't

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Speaker 1: celebrate it, you're a bigot. That is the official party line.

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Speaker 1: Ask AOC Ask anybody who's a Democrat on the left

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Speaker 1: who is prominent in the movement, and they'll say this

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Speaker 1: is great. I celebrate this. Leah Thomas is a hero,

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Speaker 1: a civil rights hero. They're completely insane. But but put

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Speaker 1: that aside. She called herself reportedly the Jackie Robinson of

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Speaker 1: women's swimming. I mean that is so offensive. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. Right. There's been a dispute about whether that

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Speaker 1: quote was out there, but that report has been out

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Speaker 1: there that one of her teammates said that she is

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Speaker 1: referring to herself as the Jackie Robinson of women's unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: and and yet here we are. This is once you

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Speaker 1: have people that are going to become millionaires. Now your

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Speaker 1: choice is become transgender, be a multi millionaire and a

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Speaker 1: hero to the left, or be an obscure, you know,

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Speaker 1: just an okay mail swimmer, an okay mail swimmer. What's

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Speaker 1: what's the choice going to be for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I think we all we all recommend this is going

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Speaker 1: to be increasingly normalized too. That's the whole point. So

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Speaker 1: this won't even be a thing that gets a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention, and that is the true goal of the

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Speaker 1: movement here is essentially you can't make any gender gender

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Speaker 1: distinction when it comes to the sports competition, which can

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Speaker 1: we all just remind ourselves. We all know this is crazy, right,

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Speaker 1: everyone listening to this nose it's crazy. Democrat Party Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi will not denounce it. Joe Biden will not denounce it.

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Speaker 1: Top to bottom. They'll go along with it. No woman

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Speaker 1: buck would ever win an Olympic medal again if we

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Speaker 1: and there's a great example. We're down in Texas right now.

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Speaker 1: Every single high school boy who sat a Texas state

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Speaker 1: It's a big difference. Women would never win. This is

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Speaker 1: our Houston listeners. Thank you so much for making us

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Speaker 1: Two population of Phoenix is right up there. San Antonio, Dallas.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Mike in Wisconsin, he's with us now. I

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Excellod? My question is, if Leah Thomas

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Speaker 1: is competing basically as a different person, can he petition

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Speaker 1: the NCAA for three more years of eligibility? It's a

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Speaker 1: five years to play. It sounds like a ridiculous question,

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Speaker 1: but it is an intriguing one. If you're totally changing

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Speaker 1: your gender, do you get more years? You can't be

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Speaker 1: you know a thirty year old freshman who's in their

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Speaker 1: a Sharon and here in Houston, Texas, we got a

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Speaker 1: Houston caller. What's up, Sharon? You come to the party

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night. How do you welcome to Houston. No, I

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say today Sin Jowler in Texas that

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Speaker 1: Senator Ted Cruz. He said about Ukraine. He said that

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Speaker 1: the Ukraine. And he said, under the Budapest Memorandum of

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Speaker 1: we all know that it would like um Larry Cutler

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Speaker 1: right here in Texas and all over our United Thank you, Sharon. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I would say this. We are giving them and have

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Speaker 1: about Ukraine, we also have to be very realistic and

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Speaker 1: arms alone of the kind that we can send are

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Speaker 1: unlikely to be unlikely. I hope that this assessment is wrong,

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Speaker 1: unlikely be enough to stop the Russian military juggernaut from

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Speaker 1: what it is doing. Right now, we'll come back into

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Speaker 1: some of that because Jensaki play was just asked about it,

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Speaker 1: So we've got that cover. The next hour on the top,

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Speaker 1: we got Zubie coming up with us. Zubie fantastic. He's

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Speaker 1: been a great voice on COVID, on freedom in the

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Speaker 1: era of COVID, and how we get out of this madness.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to talking to Zubie. A man only needs

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Speaker 1: one name, Zubie, Flat Travis and Buck Sexton on the

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Speaker 1: front lines of truth,