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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Before we jump into today's episode, we wanted

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Speaker 1: to send you guys a message because I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: have heard a little bit about what's going on in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood these days. As you may have heard, the WGA

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Speaker 1: has been on strike for a while and recently SAG

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Speaker 1: after It joined in with the fight. Writer Will and

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Speaker 1: myself have all been a member of SAG after A

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Speaker 1: for thirty plus years and we fully support this strike.

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Speaker 1: When the strike was announced, a lot of questions were

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Speaker 1: opened up. Is doing pod Meets World going against the strike?

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Speaker 1: Is doing Pod Meets World the live tour going against

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Speaker 1: the strike? And there were a lot of tweets spelling

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Speaker 1: the SAG after A website that tried to be as

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Speaker 1: clear as possible, but we did not want to do

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Speaker 1: anything that could have possibly gone against the strike, So

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Speaker 1: we reached out individually to our SAG representatives and ask

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Speaker 1: them directly, is Pod Meets World allowed? Is the Pod

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Speaker 1: meets World live tour allowed? And we have been given

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Speaker 1: the green light by our SAG representatives, So with that

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Speaker 1: we feel comfortable continuing to do Pod Meats World and

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Speaker 1: going on tour with podmeats world life. So continue to

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Speaker 1: enjoy our episodes and we will.

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Speaker 2: See you on the road. Yes, Keidan, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: We would like to thank listener Jason P.

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Speaker 1: Who was kind enough to point out something currently living

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Speaker 1: on the internet that I figured was a perfect look

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Speaker 1: into the heart and soul of one of us hosts. Oh,

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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to our likes and dislikes. And

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Speaker 1: I won't make us wait any longer. Writer, do you

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Speaker 1: enjoy using the Letterboxed app?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm obsessed? Do okay? Jensen is too. I don't

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Speaker 3: So Letterboxed is essentially a movie social media app, a

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Speaker 3: movie watching social media app. But it's become like the

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Speaker 3: central database for any movie lover. You can look any

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Speaker 3: you can do is keep track of the movies you're watching,

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Speaker 3: the entire like film community.

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Speaker 2: Geeks out together. It's nerd. It's nerd stuff. For this,

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Speaker 2: here's what I love it for.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not like I'm not put posting reviews,

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Speaker 3: like I've thought about it, and I definitely publicly post

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Speaker 3: but you know, like I've rated I don't know, like

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Speaker 3: six hundred eight hundred movies.

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Speaker 2: There are people who've rated like four thousand films.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like people that I follow who are professional film

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Speaker 2: Good Reads is just not that great of an app well.

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Speaker 1: As I said, one of our listeners was kind of

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Speaker 1: have to point out that your letterboxed profile and reviews

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Speaker 2: So are you ready to defend some of your takes? God?

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Speaker 2: Downsizing four and a half stars, terrible movie. I've been

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Speaker 2: Bottom of your barrel.

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Speaker 1: And I I have to admit some of these are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not for me.

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Speaker 3: We went to the like it's it's it's incredibly well made.

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Speaker 2: Your only category is just how far we're pushing big one.

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Speaker 3: So where do you? Where would you come? I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I will never think about Top Gun. Like when I

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: My thoughts in the world never change if you're talking

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Speaker 2: No, but this means nothing. It's popcorn. It's fun. Fine,

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Speaker 4: Would it then fall in the review of the movie

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Speaker 1: We do not need to deep dive on all of

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous two and a half stars.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you on that movie. I think that

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Speaker 1: You're also anti Scarface. You gave one star Big one star?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just John Wu. It's bringing back the

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Speaker 3: The moment the chef has the flashback to his childhood

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm Rider Strong,

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Speaker 1: Summertime Switch, something we recently recapped right before we started

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Speaker 1: reunion you've been waiting for, right or Strong? May I

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Speaker 1: welcome your camp buddy and fellow Freddie Egan Jason Weaver

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Speaker 2: How's it coming?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 6: Terrific? How are you doing that?

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Speaker 2: How are you guys doing We're all right?

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Speaker 1: Is this the first time you guys have seen each

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Speaker 6: I had all the luxury you were, you were dealing

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Speaker 1: Yes, and see Jason, how how hounded were you on

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Speaker 6: Yo, it was crazy because, you know, because we're all

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Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a fan reaction quite like the reaction

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Speaker 6: You know, they were really really nice, but they were

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Speaker 6: So it was dope.

439
00:20:49,200 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 1: Man, Now I know you mentioned that you guys really

440
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: didn't get to work together too much because you were

441
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 1: in you know, kind of competing storylines. Really, but do

442
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: you remember your first impressions of each other?

443
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: Writer?

444
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 2: If you want, do you remember your first impression of Jason?

445
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like I said, I it's funny because I

446
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: googled you this morning. We're exactly the same age, but

447
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: in my mind you were so much older than me.

448
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: Really, yes, dude, you can't.

449
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: You were so mature and so professional in a way

450
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 3: that like I just I felt like I had no

451
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: idea what I was doing, and you just had so

452
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: much more experience. I don't know, I mean, I guess

453
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 3: maybe the music, and like you just were so tapped

454
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: into like you knew exactly who you were and what you.

455
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: Were doing in a way that like I just was flailing.

456
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: So I just remember looking up to you and like

457
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: I think, and.

458
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: You were the coolest person I'd ever met.

459
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, I remember good conversations, but like we didn't

460
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: get to work together that much. I just I do

461
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: remember you correcting my basketball skills, because like our main

462
00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 3: scene skills were.

463
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 6: As I was breaking, as I was breaking everything, as

464
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 6: I was having horrible shooting percentage that day. Man, Man,

465
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 6: thank you so much for sharing those kind words. Man,

466
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, the sentiments that you express, Man,

467
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 6: it's mutual, man uh, and the feeling is mutual. I

468
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 6: walked on to that set with such a high level

469
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 6: of respect, you know, for everybody that was involved in

470
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 6: that film, and especially you. I mean, it's you know,

471
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 6: it's it's hard to carry a film, you know, even

472
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 6: as an adult. You know, there's a lot of responsibility.

473
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 6: It's placed on your shoulders. You know, the actual work

474
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 6: scheduling itself is pretty intense. So you know, when I

475
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 6: saw you handling it the way that you did and

476
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 6: and just being just as genuine as you as you were,

477
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 6: and it's still how you are now, I mean, that

478
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 6: was the one thing that really, you know, hit home

479
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 6: me because I'm very uh a p person, if you will,

480
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 6: and and I'm very sensitive to energy. I've come to

481
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 6: recognize that now as I've gotten older, but as a kid,

482
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 6: I was even even more hyper sensitive to it. Now,

483
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 6: I just remember every time I was around you, I

484
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 6: just felt just a genuine, real energy. And you're always

485
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 6: sincere and always polite, same with you, very professional, you know,

486
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 6: I think that's what made me kind of be on

487
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 6: my p's and q's is just you know, realizing that

488
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 6: you're working opposite of seasoned actors. We were kids, but

489
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 6: you know, we weren't playing around. It was. It was

490
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 6: one of those kind of situations where we all came

491
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 6: into it just knowing what our roles were and knowing

492
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 6: what we had to do.

493
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, and everybody was coming off of a movie

494
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 3: or a series. You know, you had like Sole Moon, fright,

495
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: you had Patrick off of Sandlot, like everybody had like

496
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: a resume at that point.

497
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could have gone off the rails very easily.

498
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 3: I mean, you you get that many teenagers into a

499
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: hotel situation, like, but we, as far as.

500
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: I know, it went really smoothly. Nobody, nobody had.

501
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 6: A nobody got arrested. Trauma, There was no trauma. Yeah,

502
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 6: it was pretty cool. There were no ego trips, you know,

503
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 6: the rare occasions I think where we were all able

504
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 6: to kind of hang out once we wrapped from set,

505
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 6: you know, depending upon if we had an early call

506
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 6: time the next day. You know, I even remember those times.

507
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 6: It just it was just us as kids just having

508
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 6: fun and being in the moment, and you know, I've

509
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 6: really been blessed throughout my life to have so many

510
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 6: experiences like that throughout the course of my career, but

511
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 6: Summertime Switch was definitely a highlight, most most most definitely.

512
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: Okay, so they at what point did you get involved

513
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: in the project, because it seems they clearly created are

514
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: they either changed the character to be for you or

515
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: it was written specifically for you because it takes advantage

516
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: of all of your talents.

517
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 6: You know, it's so crazy because it's just that whole ABC,

518
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 6: you know, family thing. So you know, I was, I

519
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 6: think when I when I came on to a Summertime Switch,

520
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 6: I just finished working on the show called Thea that

521
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 6: was on a BBC. Now, mind, we only did one season.

522
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 6: We weren't as successful as you guys were, just you know,

523
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 6: we were just went season for season. But from what

524
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 6: I remember, I made a really good impression with the

525
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 6: executives at ABC because they knew that, you know, I

526
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 6: was going to come and do my job and uh

527
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 6: and on top of that, the I was kind of

528
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 6: riding that wave of the you know, teenage heart thing,

529
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 6: the childhood crushing, they're the heart throb thing. You know,

530
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 6: I was in the right on magazines and the world up.

531
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 6: So there was a there was an audience, I think

532
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 6: as well the demographic that I think they were trying

533
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 6: to bring to the film, which I was, you know,

534
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 6: able to I guess spring and uh and it all

535
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 6: worked out. And so when I when I found out

536
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 6: about it, it was like right after the cancel, A

537
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 6: I believe in our show. And I went back to Chicago,

538
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 6: and then I got a call, you know, from my

539
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 6: agent letting me know that there was this, you know,

540
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 6: offer to come and be a part of this film.

541
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 6: And so I jumped at the opportunity because you know,

542
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 6: I wanted to continue to work and U And once

543
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 6: I found out all the other talent that was attached

544
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 6: to it, I was like, Man, this is once in

545
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 6: a lifetime thing. You know, what are the chances you

546
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 6: get to work with you and you know, with Patrick

547
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 6: and Salaymon Fry and all these people, rich and mall,

548
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 6: so you know, it's dope.

549
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: I wonder if anybody auditioned for the movie or if

550
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: they just completely yeah, that was what they do.

551
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: And I wonder, like, because Isaac Letzky was coming off

552
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: of Saved by the new Class. Yeah, everybody, And like

553
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: Richard Mall, like, I bet you they just completely cast

554
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: this thing without a single audition, you know, like yeah.

555
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, rightfully. So, I mean because again everybody came to set.

556
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 6: You know, there was there was little amount of risk

557
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 6: I think from a production sign or from a producer

558
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 6: sign at network executive side. You know, they knew what

559
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 6: they were they knew what they were getting.

560
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they do is and you know, even

561
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 4: NBC back in the day, we talked about this. You

562
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 4: know in the eighties, they would take all their talent

563
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: that they you know, all the young talent of the day,

564
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 4: and they would make a movie the Week essentially, is

565
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 4: what they would do. And ABC what they what you

566
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: would find for a lot of these things were these

567
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: were scripts that somebody tried to sell as a feature

568
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: and somebody then didn't want to put a whole bunch

569
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: of money into it, or they didn't think it could

570
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 4: it could really open in theaters everywhere. So they go, well,

571
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: wait a minute, this is a great idea. We'll take

572
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: all of our young talent and we'll do it cheaper,

573
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: and we'll do it as a movie of the week.

574
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: And they would that's what they do. They just started pumping.

575
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: So that started really big in the seventies and the eighties,

576
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: and this was what ninety five, you guys are forty.

577
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 4: So it's just starting to wane at this point where

578
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: they're like, oh well, this still costs a lot of

579
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 4: money and we you know, so by like ninety seven

580
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: they were kind of gone. But this was a staple

581
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: of TV for twenty twenty five years. Let's take our talent,

582
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: let's take some money, let's throw some money at it,

583
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: and let's do a movie of the week. So this

584
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 4: is like, you guys are right, you might be one

585
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 4: of the last of exactly what you're saying, where it's

586
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: like we're gonna offer all of our talent, Let's get

587
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: this person, let's get that person, Let's get this person

588
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: and just throw them all together and do a fun

589
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: hijinks kind of romp. So yeah, that's television royalty. That's

590
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: that was around forever. Yeah, you know, and those were those.

591
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 6: Are fun days too, I mean, because you know, there

592
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 6: was there was a structure there where you could you

593
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 6: could be funneled into the next thing if you will,

594
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, based upon the kind of

595
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 6: work and relationship that you had with that network or

596
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 6: with that production company. There were so many different opportunities

597
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 6: that you could kind of just easily transition to, you know,

598
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 6: like that. So no, I think we were the last

599
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 6: of the mohigue is if you will, when it came

600
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 6: to that, you know, those those family movies of the

601
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 6: weeks and you know, the collective cast coming together and

602
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 6: uh and tapping into that particular demographic that they were targeting. Yeah.

603
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a lot of scenes Jason with Richard

604
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Mall in the camp kitchen.

605
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: He has a little bit of like a little of it.

606
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: It's kind of a ridiculous accent. We were discus, like

607
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: a real accent. What do you remember about working with him?

608
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 6: You know what? It was funny because I was so

609
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 6: starstruck We're working with him, To be honest with you,

610
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 6: was all a blur because I was a big Night

611
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 6: Court fan.

612
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: Oh me too, me too.

613
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 6: So you know when I when I found out I

614
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 6: was doing scenes with him, I think I was just

615
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 6: so focused on making sure that I didn't mess up,

616
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 6: you know, because I knew this guy was like you know,

617
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 6: veteran actors been working since the eighties, probably longer than that.

618
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: And again, I'm a kid in a professional adult setting,

619
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 6: so I'm just sitting there like, you know, let me

620
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 6: just make sure I just bang out these scenes, and

621
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 6: you know, I don't want to hold the director up.

622
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 6: I think that was another thing I was so kind

623
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 6: of aware of in the back of my mind is

624
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 6: I didn't want a lot of time being taken shooting

625
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 6: my stuff, as I knew that I was, you know,

626
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 6: being given an opportunity, and I didn't want to be

627
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 6: known as one of those actors that took like multiple takes,

628
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 6: you know, to get it right. So I was all

629
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 6: about at that time being like, okay, let me just

630
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 6: be all point. Okay, take this direction, keep it moving

631
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 6: it so you know, oh my god, dude.

632
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: That is you know what's funny about that?

633
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: That is so not what comes across and really come

634
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: across so comfortable and relaxed in a way that like

635
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: I am clearly not like, yeah, we just rewatched it.

636
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: You are so good in this movie. It like I

637
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: blew my mind. I was watching.

638
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, he's got like real scenes.

639
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the second half of the movie is like

640
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: a real emotional arc for you and it's good. It's

641
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: like honest in a way that's like relaxed, and it

642
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: does not feel like you are having any pressure. It

643
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: feels like you're just totally and then of course you

644
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: get up and you like sing and dance and do

645
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: a whole number there too. It's like, oh, oh, Jason

646
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: was in like a real movie. I was I don't

647
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: know what I was doing that garbage getting dumped on me,

648
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: but you were like acting and like, p It's awesome, dude.

649
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: It does not come across like eure uptight or scared

650
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: at all. It's great.

651
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 6: There was always something. I really appreciate you saying that,

652
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 6: because there was always something that was kind of thrown

653
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 6: on the plate at the last minute, like that scene

654
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 6: of performing, Yeah, I performed the song. I think they

655
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 6: had just found out that I signed a deal with

656
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 6: Motown Records, and I think, yeah, and I've been I

657
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 6: think I had done the line king already. Yeah, So

658
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 6: so they were they were aware of that and they

659
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 6: were like, oh man, it'd be just great if you

660
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 6: could just have a song and there signed. I remember

661
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 6: we recorded that at the last minute. So even with that,

662
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 6: it was it was a lot. I was like, oh,

663
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 6: my god, I gotta play basketball, I gotta act and

664
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 6: I got to sing it.

665
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: Yes, they put it all on you man, it's incredible. Yeah, yeah,

666
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: but it was.

667
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 6: It was fun. We had a good time, and you

668
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 6: know that, to go back to what what Will was

669
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 6: saying to I think they they knew too that it

670
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 6: was going to be successful because we were essentially what

671
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 6: we did was a kids version of like Trading Places. Yeah,

672
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, like that, That's pretty much

673
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 6: what it was. So, you know, I think the natural

674
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 6: feel if people saw that, you know, as as viewers.

675
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 6: And I've never told anybody this, but I played a

676
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 6: lot of that from like Eddie's Trading Places because I

677
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 6: saw that film and I remember when I read the script,

678
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 6: I was like, oh man, this is this is Eddie,

679
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: so like just kind of do Eddie, don't do Eddie Edie.

680
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 6: So it worked out and if people loved it, man,

681
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 6: I'm just so so honored and so blessed.

682
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: That I wasn't like to be signed to Motown so

683
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: young incredible.

684
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 6: I signed to them right after I worked on the

685
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 6: Jackson's mini series, The Jackson's in American Dream, where I

686
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 6: played Michael Jackson and you know, it was kind of

687
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 6: just a natural, a natural thing that took place. The

688
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 6: CEO of Motown at that time got rest his soul.

689
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 6: Mister Gerald Busby was always present on set as we

690
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 6: were shooting that mini series because all of the music

691
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 6: that we were doing, you know, it was Motown, Motown owned,

692
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: so they really wanted to make sure that the music

693
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 6: in the catalog was being represented properly. So, you know,

694
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 6: just after I guess months of establishing a rapport with

695
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 6: one another and him seeing he kind of displayed my

696
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 6: talent day in the day out on set, that singing

697
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 6: and all of that, I just got this offer to

698
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 6: record with them. I recorded one album with Motown. It

699
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 6: was called Love Ambition. At that time, it was not

700
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 6: commercially successful. It wasn't like one of those albums are

701
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 6: R and B albums that came out in the nineties

702
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 6: that you know, just kind of blew up and went

703
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 6: out of control. But the single, which was the title

704
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 6: for the album as well, Love Ambition, especially in my

705
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 6: hometown Io, became kind of like a classic hit and

706
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 6: what what we at home called a steppers classic hit,

707
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 6: and stepping is something it's like, it's couples dancing in Chicago,

708
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 6: very elegant, very refined, very soulful. So my song has

709
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 6: lived like for thirty years in that space and in

710
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 6: the step of set strictly in Chicago. And now it's

711
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 6: like making this you know, resurging or what have you,

712
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 6: and making people kind of go back and look at

713
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 6: my career with Motown. And so it's just really interesting

714
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 6: right now. I think, just I think for all of

715
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 6: us that you know, we have these these people who

716
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 6: have admired our work for so long in a fan

717
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 6: base has admired our work for so long, to where

718
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 6: now we can we can look back and and be

719
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 6: you know, I know we were proud at the time

720
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 6: of what we did, but you know, even now as

721
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 6: adults and understanding uh fully the moments that we were

722
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 6: in and be able to look back in retrospect and

723
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 6: to share those moments with fans and and you know,

724
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 6: to laugh about them and in the cheer about him

725
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 6: and even at times to cry about those moments together.

726
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 6: It's just awesome. So that my experience with Motown is

727
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 6: that as well.

728
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Writer said he remembered that you had so many great

729
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson stories from I mean working with him to

730
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: play him must have been absolutely surreal.

731
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 6: Oh, it was. It was. That was that was another

732
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 6: you know situation where it was a lot of pressure.

733
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 6: That was another ABC show. But that was another thing

734
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 6: I did with them, and uh man, I just remember,

735
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 6: you know, there was just so much there were so

736
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 6: many eyeballs on just even when we were just in

737
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 6: production it's doing principal photography, you know, because at that time,

738
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson and the Jackson family, it was just pandemonium.

739
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 6: You know, He's like the biggest star in the world

740
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 6: at that time, and so that pressure, you know, for

741
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 6: the fan base alone and wanting to know who's playing

742
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 6: him and if they were going to do justice to

743
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 6: the role. And you know, and even though you're a kid,

744
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 6: you know, these people don't care. All they know is

745
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson and they just wanted to be portrayed the

746
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 6: right way or the way they think he should. Yeah,

747
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 6: so it was it was. It was a lot, but

748
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 6: it was a lot of rehearsal, a lot of preparation,

749
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 6: a lot of support from people in production, a lot

750
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 6: of support from my mother, a lot of support from

751
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 6: the other parents who had kids that were working on

752
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 6: the show, a lot of support from the Jackson family,

753
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 6: from Michael himself, So that took a little bit of

754
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 6: the pressure off on a little bit of the strength.

755
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: It would be a little bit, but geez, I mean,

756
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's arguably one of the most famous

757
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 4: human beings in the history of the world.

758
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, literally, yeah from yeah, I mean up there

759
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: like literally.

760
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where it's like, oh,

761
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: but how old were you when you were playing him?

762
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 6: I was, what twelve thirteen?

763
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, no pressure, there you go.

764
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: And now wait, you said that they signed you because

765
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: of this, So were you actually singing all the songs?

766
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't like lip syncing you were. You

767
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: were singing all the songs.

768
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 6: Now, I was actually singing the material. Now that the

769
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 6: Motown the Motown stuff was actually the original recordings that

770
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 6: Michael did, the pre Motown stuff prior to them getting

771
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 6: signed to Motown. When they performed at the Apollo, the

772
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 6: Regal Theater would have you their their Motown audition. I

773
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 6: sang all that stuff.

774
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: Wow.

775
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 6: And the only time that I sang a Motown song

776
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: was it was Who's Loving You? And I had to

777
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 6: sing that live that day. Because the pre recorded track

778
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 6: or the track that they had, they couldn't get clearance

779
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: from the Motown Music publishing company at that time. So

780
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 6: the day that we were shooting, I actually had to

781
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: sing it, and so I'm singing it live. And it

782
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 6: was that day that I got the role for the

783
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 6: Lion King because unbeknownst to me, Elton John had come

784
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 6: through the set that day just like visitings and just

785
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 6: so happened to see were performing. He was only there

786
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 6: for a brief minute, I believe, but he showed up

787
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 6: as I was performing. I didn't even get a chance

788
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 6: to see him or meet him. And when we wrapped

789
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 6: from set that day, my mom came up to me

790
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 6: and was like, yo, man, guess who I just had

791
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 6: a brief conversation with and you know he complimented you

792
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 6: on your performance. I was like who, It's like Elton John.

793
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, cool, cool, because you know, at

794
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 6: that time, all I'm listening to is you know, Bell Bivdevo.

795
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 6: You audition like you know, I.

796
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 3: Really you're playing Michael Jackson Elton John.

797
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 6: It's like okay cool. So you know, she tells me

798
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 6: that he wants me to audition for this this new

799
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 6: animated movie that he's doing with Disney called The Lion King.

800
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 6: You know, he explained him and Tim Rice put this

801
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 6: thing together and she good forward if I auditioned, So

802
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 6: I did, and that's and that's how that whole thing

803
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 6: came about. Man like, unbelieva again, it's just just blessings.

804
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 6: Man Like. You guys know, I mean, you know, we've

805
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 6: we've had something. I mean, no, you guys, you guys

806
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 6: want to hit show were real for real. You guys

807
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 6: were with the crew that we were all looking at

808
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 6: as kids who on sitcoms and hoping we could get

809
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 6: a gig like that.

810
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: Like you guys go that is like it doesn't and

811
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: you can start planning around it.

812
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

813
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you did The Lion King, that's like

814
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: one day or two days in the studio and then

815
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: you're done. The job is you did.

816
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: But you guys are coming to work every day, hanging

817
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 6: with each other. That that was something that you know,

818
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 6: I always admired about you all show. On top of

819
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 6: the fact that it was a really good show.

820
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: Thank you.

821
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you one more question about

822
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: did you you said that Michael was really supportive of

823
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: you did he have any advice for you on how

824
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: best to play him?

825
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: Like, what was Michael's advice to you?

826
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 5: The only advice that I ever received from Michael regarding

827
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 5: the role, because mind you, when we were shooting it,

828
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 5: he was actually overseas in Europe.

829
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 6: Doing the Dangerous Tour, okay, so he really wasn't like

830
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 6: present like that on the set, but he would see

831
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 6: like the dailies, and you know, he would send notes

832
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 6: if he had any, which were very rare. And I

833
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 6: think the one thing that he told Michael Peters, God

834
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 6: rest his soul as well, who was our choreographer at

835
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 6: the time. Michael Peters are also choreographed Thriller and beat

836
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 6: It for Michael. He was like Michael's choreographers. So Michael

837
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 6: Peters had come up to me one day in rehearsal

838
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 6: and had just told me. He said, you know, Michael's

839
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 6: been looking at the daily He's very very pleased. You know.

840
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 6: He said, you can stick to turn a little bit

841
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 6: harder if you want to, like the famous fan that

842
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 6: he would do. And he actually gave me a note

843
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 6: to do it successfully, which I which I didn't know

844
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 6: at the time, And it's kind of something that all

845
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 6: dancers know, but it's about keeping your eyes like when

846
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 6: you do a spin or you're doing multiple spins, keeping

847
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 6: your eyes on that one point. Ye. So yeah, so

848
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 6: he was like, you know, Michael's advice for that is

849
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 6: just you know, do that, and it just relaxed a

850
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 6: little bit and just have fun. And he knows it's,

851
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 6: you know, really a pressure kind of situation, but you know,

852
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 6: just have fun. And that was all I needed, you know,

853
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 6: to know that he was watching, to know that he

854
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 6: was pleased with the work that was being done so

855
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 6: far at that time. That was reassuring for me and

856
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 6: that allowed me to kind of relax and go into

857
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 6: the role more. And yeah, it worked, thank thank god.

858
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 6: Like none of his fans, you know, ended up being

859
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 6: disappointed with my performance. I was, you know, to be honest,

860
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 6: unless there are a few people out there that I

861
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 6: don't know of, but most of his fans felt that

862
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 6: I did justice to that role, to his legacy, and

863
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 6: so I'm very happy.

864
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: What an incredible feat.

865
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: I mean, well, what one of the things you were saying,

866
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: which is so interesting is when that nobody knew Summertime

867
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: Switch was going to have any staying power. But that's

868
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: The thing is when, especially when you're a young actor,

869
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: you never know what's going to work what's not. You

870
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 4: think you're going to a job, you have fun doing

871
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: the job, you're really enjoying it, you hope people.

872
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: When you're doing the Lion King, you kind of know

873
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be really I don't know. Again, you

874
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: don't know.

875
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 6: You don't know.

876
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: That was like a golden age of Disney film. I

877
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: mean like, no, you never know.

878
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 6: No, you you never you guys know this, man, You

879
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 6: you never know. Even when the thing looks like as

880
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 6: you're making it it looks like it's set up to

881
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 6: be a hit, you don't know until the people see it,

882
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: until it takes a connection. We and all try to

883
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 6: make our professional prediction as far as where or forecast

884
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 6: where something is going to go, but you never know

885
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: until it gets out there. I just knew that it

886
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 6: was Disney, and I knew that it was following in

887
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 6: the same line or Legacy is a Laddin and Beauty

888
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 6: and the Beast, and you know, so I knew they

889
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 6: were gonna pump a lot of money into it. I

890
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 6: just didn't know that it was going to be as

891
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 6: successful as it was because I mean that I just

892
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 6: can't wait to be King to this day. I went

893
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 6: to Disney a few years ago and I was at

894
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 6: the Animal Kingdom resort and that's all that was pumped

895
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 6: this hallways. It was just it was incredible. To this day,

896
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm blown away and again, and i know

897
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 6: I'm probably sound like a preacher on you Guys podcast,

898
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 6: but I'm so thankful to God, you know what I mean,

899
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 6: because this journey so far has just been just extraordinary. Man.

900
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 6: I've really been able to walk into some blessings that

901
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 6: you know, normal kids from from where I'm from, you know,

902
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 6: from the South side of Chicago, and man, not many

903
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 6: of us get opportunities like this, man. So you know,

904
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 6: I'm just so happy and so grateful that I had

905
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 6: all that.

906
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: I went through a period like three years ago, yeah,

907
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: probably about three or four years ago. Uh, I got

908
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: such major dad points because my son was six years old,

909
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: five or six and obsessed.

910
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 2: With Lion King, and I was able to be like, Okay,

911
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 2: I worked with that guy.

912
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: And then I got so sick of your song, Indy,

913
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: I can't Wait to Be King was like five times

914
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: a day, and I like to this time, I'm over it.

915
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: Man, I love you.

916
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: I can't listen anymore. They had to tell stop. That

917
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: was his obsessive favorite song and I was just like, dude,

918
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: and you have to stop. So well, maybe it'll come back.

919
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 3: But man, there's a ban on itto my house because.

920
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 6: I I get it.

921
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Every few years you go viral actually for a story

922
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: about your Lion King residuals where your mom advised you

923
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: to reject a two million dollar buyout from Disney in

924
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four and instead negotiate a royalty steal.

925
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: So so, sir, news is, this was.

926
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: A genius move and it came for itself over and

927
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: over again. But how insanely hard was it to trust

928
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: your mom back then when she was you know, two

929
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: million dollars in nineteen ninety four is very hard for

930
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: anyone to turn down.

931
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh absolutely, Well, you know, I will say this,

932
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 6: my mother has had had an experience working in the

933
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 6: in the record industry. My mother's name is Marilyn Haywood,

934
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 6: professionally known as Kitty Haywood. My mother experienced, you know,

935
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 6: a great deal of success as a solo artist and

936
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 6: also in a group with my aunts called Kitty in

937
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 6: the Haywoods. They work with Curtis Mayfield. They work with

938
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 6: the Reap of Franklin back in the day on the

939
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 6: Sparkle soundtrack. As a matter of fact, my mother and

940
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 6: my aunts are on the original giving him something he

941
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 6: can feel with the Reap of Franklin. Those are those

942
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 6: that's my mom and my aunts in the background. Yeah.

943
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 6: So my family has a has a history, a rich

944
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 6: history in music. My big up my cousins. Two of

945
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 6: my cousins are multi Grammy Award winning producers. My cousin

946
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 6: Tricky Stewart produced single Ladies for Beyonce and Uh Break

947
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 6: My Soul for her and Umbrella for Rihanna. My cousin

948
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 6: Kou Carell works with Rihanna as her vocal producer. He

949
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 6: works with share just a number of people. So that's

950
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 6: that's my family's business. I was the only actor, you

951
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 6: know what I mean in my family at the time.

952
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 6: And so when that situation came about with the Lion

953
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 6: King and when they presented the initial offer, you know,

954
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 6: as you guys know with negotiating your own deals, the

955
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 6: initial offer comes through, you counter and then you negotiate,

956
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: you know, from there. But my mother just offered first glance.

957
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 6: When the initial offer came through for just a straight

958
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 6: buy out of that, you know, I think just the

959
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 6: lights went off in her mind and she was like, Okay, well,

960
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 6: if they're willing to buy you out for that amount

961
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 6: of money, right, I can only imagine, you know, on

962
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 6: a residual basis, which you could possibly generate over time.

963
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 6: And so she was like, look, I know this kind

964
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 6: of sounds, you know, a little bit of a stretch,

965
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 6: and you know, I know this is a huge opportunity

966
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 6: for you, but you know, let's let's try this. Let's

967
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 6: let's make this chest move real quick. And you know,

968
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 6: all they can do is just say is no. And

969
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 6: I was like, well, you know what, I'm twelve thirteen

970
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: at the time. Although I understand to some degree what

971
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 6: two million dollars is, I'm not really don't know. All

972
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 6: I want to do is go to the ballpark and

973
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 6: go get McDonald's after you you know me. Yeah. So,

974
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 6: you know, it was like all of us at that

975
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 6: time just you know, trusting our parents to move on

976
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 6: our behalf in the right way. And so she did,

977
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 6: and it just continued to be the gift that just

978
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 6: keeps on giving. I'm so so grateful that she had

979
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 6: had the foresight to just be able to see, you know,

980
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 6: to see that and to understand the importance of setting

981
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 6: her son, you know, upright. And you know now that's

982
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 6: why whenever she calls and she needs anything, she she

983
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 6: got it.

984
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: I think the message is always listening to your mom's

985
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: especially when your mom's a pro.

986
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: You know, like you were so fortunate that she had

987
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 3: that experience, because yeah, I mean music industry is brutal,

988
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 3: man Like, if you've been through that, like you come

989
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: out with those scars, like you protect your kids, like

990
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: that's all again.

991
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 6: And she knew that, and you know, like all of

992
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 6: us at that time with being in the in the business,

993
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 6: you know, there has to be somebody there to protect

994
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 6: you and looking out for your best interest because you know,

995
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 6: all these companies are looking at at the end of

996
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 6: the day, as they should, they're just looking at their

997
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 6: bottom line. They're trying to get the most bang for

998
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 6: their books, so they're not really concerned about ultimately how

999
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 6: it's going to affect you in the long run, whether

1000
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 6: it's successful or not successful. You know, that's your job

1001
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 6: to make sure that you're protected. So you know, I'm

1002
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 6: just glad and fortunate to have my mom there who

1003
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 6: knew the business, and you know, and even now, if

1004
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 6: there are certain parts of my career where I may

1005
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 6: be confused and I really need some real advice, and

1006
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 6: I always, you know, I reach out to my mom

1007
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 6: because she really is smart like that. She's pretty brilliant

1008
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 6: as a businesswoman. So cool.

1009
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: I have two more career things I want to talk

1010
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: about from your history before we get into your current career,

1011
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: which is you have so many great things to talk about,

1012
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: but we have a ton of Smart Guy fans, and

1013
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: so I want to talk to you about when in

1014
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven you landed the role alongside taj Maori.

1015
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: What do you remember from that audition?

1016
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 6: Oh, I just remember having a especially the screen test audition.

1017
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 6: I just remember having a great time with the creator

1018
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 6: of the show, Danny kalis Uh. Danny also created What's

1019
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 6: the Show with the Twins Zack and Cody? Yes, Yes,

1020
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 6: Sweet Life with Zach and Coach, because he did that

1021
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 6: after Smart Guy. But Danny was so he was such

1022
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 6: a pleasure to work with because you know, we were

1023
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 6: a Disney show and you know, they wanted to kind

1024
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 6: of keep it cookie cutter. I mean, it's the same

1025
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 6: basic fourth camera you know, sitcom for man and as

1026
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 6: we all know, you know, they there's a formula to that,

1027
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 6: and they wanted they want the jokes to play a

1028
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 6: certain kind of way. They want the kids to look

1029
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 6: a certain kind of way. They want the sets, the wardrobe,

1030
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 6: everything to be a certain kind of way. And you know,

1031
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 6: me naturally, as just a kid, especially who was so

1032
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 6: fully immersed at that time in like the culture of

1033
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 6: hip hop and and being a part of that whole movement,

1034
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 6: there was so much of that that I wanted to

1035
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 6: inject and bring into the role and into the show.

1036
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 6: And at first, Disney was a little bit reluctant because

1037
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 6: you know, at that time, all they knew about hip

1038
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 6: hop was like what they were hearing about Biggie and Tupac.

1039
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 6: It was not a lot of negative There was not

1040
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 6: a lot of positive energy surrounding hip hop or the

1041
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 6: culture of it at that time. But it was something

1042
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 6: that I really felt strongly about because I was like, yo,

1043
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 6: you know, just keeping it, keeping it enough. Stack with

1044
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 6: you guys. I was like, Yo, if I'm going to

1045
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 6: be on TV and if I'm going to be representing

1046
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 6: kids that looked like me and that come from the neighborhood. Like,

1047
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 6: it's got to be authentic, it's got to be real.

1048
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 6: They got to be able to see themselves in his character.

1049
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 6: They got to be able to relate to them. And

1050
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be presenting something that's not real.

1051
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 6: You know, we're gonna do this. Let's be real about it.

1052
00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 6: And Danny was so gracious and so understanding and so

1053
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 6: patient with that. And I just remember anytime I had questions,

1054
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 6: anytime I had concerns, you know, if there was a

1055
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 6: subtle change, of course, I'm not going to rewrite the script,

1056
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 6: but if there's a joke or something that I wanted

1057
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 6: to try out, I was always given that freedom. You know,

1058
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 6: me and Omar Gooding in particular, we were always giving

1059
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 6: that freedom to try different things. And I just really

1060
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 6: appreciate that because I know that took a certain level

1061
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 6: of trust and some young kids that they didn't have to,

1062
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 6: you know, really do that with. But that was one

1063
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 6: of the things that I remember the most about working

1064
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 6: on A Smart Guy was just like the support that

1065
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 6: we got from the executives and from the producers to

1066
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 6: kind of stretch out and try different things. And test

1067
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 6: our range, and then of course you know, working with

1068
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 6: the cast, working with Taj, working with JJ, working with

1069
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 6: essen z atkins Man. They were fantastic. I mean, these

1070
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 6: are people that you know, I still keep in contact

1071
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 6: with to this day, who I absolutely love. Well.

1072
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: I have a headshot from Taj where he says I'm

1073
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: his best friend. Did Tash talk about me? Is am

1074
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: I still best friend?

1075
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 6: I'm sure. I'm sure you are.

1076
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: Thank you you're not.

1077
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 4: It's nice that you're Yes, it's very nice Jason, that

1078
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 4: you're you're being this this sweet to.

1079
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: Day performing Rock and Robin at like every party. Yes,

1080
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 3: there was like a period. There was a period where

1081
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: he was I guess he was under contract with ABC

1082
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 3: or something, so every agency of the Disney Tosh would

1083
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: show up and he would.

1084
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: Before Rock and Robin.

1085
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 3: He was amazing because he was he was younger than

1086
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 3: us and he was so talented. I remember, but it

1087
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: was like there was a period where for a couple

1088
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: of years, every party we went to was like, oh, there's.

1089
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: There, you go there.

1090
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: That's a perfect example of what Disney does though, because

1091
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: Disney put him in that and then right after he

1092
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 4: and I did Kim Possible together for four years. So

1093
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 4: it was just like plugging people in. Let's plug who

1094
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: we got here, who we got here, who we got here,

1095
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 4: Let's plug him in.

1096
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: Let's make a thing. I mean, it's like the old

1097
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 2: contract day is in the studio. Yes exactly. I kind

1098
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: of yearned for that, Like I think, I love that.

1099
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: I love it. Yeah, it's the best. It was the

1100
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 4: best when it was like okay, you're now. I mean

1101
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 4: when we were on team working for Disney. You were

1102
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 4: part of that team, and it's like anytime they needed

1103
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: you to host something, they you know, bring you down

1104
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: to host something, big parties for this, big parties for that.

1105
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna be on that show, You're gonna be in

1106
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: that movie. It was great.

1107
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 6: It was to fun. Yeah, I don't know. I think,

1108
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 6: you know, we'll see you moving forward because I know

1109
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 6: we're all trying to figure out, you know, what the

1110
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: what the new business model is going to be moving forward,

1111
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 6: you know, after this strike. You know, but maybe maybe

1112
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 6: something will will eventually reform like that because you know

1113
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 6: you're getting met, we're getting met with so much resistance,

1114
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 6: if you will, and like you know, the major studio,

1115
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 6: well not even major studios, but more like the digital

1116
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 6: streaming streams.

1117
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean.

1118
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: So I don't know how they maintain an identity like

1119
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: back in the day, like you knew who Disney was,

1120
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: you knew who ABC was based on a set of

1121
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: shows like now Netflix, like do people know like because

1122
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: Netflix is different for based on your algorithm, Like which

1123
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: one you know we're watching gets their version of Netflix?

1124
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: So this whole notion of like or.

1125
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: Even now Max, Like I don't even know what HBO

1126
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: means anymore. It's just kind of another one of the streamers.

1127
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the idea is like what if what

1128
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: if a network or a streamer where to contract contractually

1129
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: like absorb a set of talent, like oh we are

1130
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: these these like twenty actors are only associated with Netflix

1131
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: or these.

1132
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: That would be one way to sort of brand themselves

1133
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: and to have like a repertoire of actors you know

1134
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: at Expose or like you were saying, will to bring

1135
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: back like a summertime switch, like let's take the stars

1136
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: from all of our shows and make one big movie

1137
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: with them to get a brand as a network or

1138
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: as a streamer. Well hopefully they'll do that with all

1139
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: the new AI actors. They'll just be able to plug

1140
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: in the AI actors.

1141
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: To whatever they want, and all these computer generated programs

1142
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 4: will be in all these wonderful films.

1143
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: It'll be us.

1144
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: They'll be able to make us from nineteen ninety four

1145
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: Switch just didn't you.

1146
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: Just see exactly? Season eighty Boy meets World starts next week?

1147
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: Didn't you see? We all look great. We're not making anything,

1148
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: but I can't wait to see the episode. It's going

1149
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: to be awesome.

1150
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to talk Chingy with you.

1151
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: How did your song with him come together?

1152
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 5: What?

1153
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: Wait?

1154
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 6: Wait?

1155
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: What just happened? One call Away? He Jason sings Charlie.

1156
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: No, Jason sings the hook on a Chingy song called

1157
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: one Call Away, and it is phenomenal.

1158
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 2: How dare you will Chingy is a person? Correct? Okay?

1159
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 6: I don't know. You don't listen to hip hop?

1160
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: No?

1161
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 4: No, I do listen to I listened to awesome music,

1162
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 4: incredible hip hop. But after nineteen eighty seven eighty eight,

1163
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: everything stops music wise.

1164
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, like when hip hop starts, like a year

1165
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 3: one of hip hop at the beginning, d J Rob.

1166
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: Bass, it takes two.

1167
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 4: I'm all all day long, original nw A like I

1168
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 4: listened to original n w A all the time, straight

1169
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 4: out of Compton's one of the greatest albums ever, so

1170
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 4: like kind of after that, it falls by the wayside

1171
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 4: a little bit for me.

1172
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, with all well we forgive you, We're.

1173
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 6: Gonna fast forward, We're gonna go to the future, but

1174
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 6: yet the past here, okay song. I did a song

1175
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 6: with this artist by the Day with ching and he

1176
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 6: had his first single he had was called right There

1177
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 6: and he and he's from Saint Louis.

1178
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: You'll know that song, well, you will know that I will.

1179
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: No, you'll know, you'll know. I did the follow up

1180
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 6: single with him, a single call One Call Away that

1181
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 6: actually ended up being like a surprise kind of sleeper hit,

1182
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 6: another opportunity that I kind of walked into that I

1183
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 6: did not know it was going to turn out like that.

1184
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 6: I was actually in Los Angeles. I was working. I

1185
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 6: had a small role in a film called The Lady

1186
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 6: Killers that the Cohen Brothers kid and that Tom Hanks

1187
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 6: starting and Marlon WANs and so I had a small

1188
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 6: role in that film. And the night before I was

1189
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 6: supposed to shoot, for some odd reason, I was out

1190
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 6: because usually I'll be in the bed, like if I

1191
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 6: know I got a seven am call. I'm usually in

1192
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 6: the bed early, but for some odd reason, I think

1193
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 6: I had gone out to dinner or whatever. And it

1194
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 6: was during kind of like award season, so everybody was

1195
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 6: out and about, you know, partying and hanging out, and

1196
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 6: I ran into a good friend of mine who used

1197
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 6: to be a famous radio personality down here in Atlanta

1198
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 6: with Ludacris. His name was Poon, and Poon and Luda

1199
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,959
Speaker 6: had a show years ago on Hot ninety seven down here,

1200
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 6: and so I've known those guys for years. And what

1201
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 6: ended up happening was I ran in a pooling at

1202
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 6: this party. He was like, hey, man, up, what are

1203
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 6: you doing tonight. I was like, oh, I'm nothing. I'm

1204
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 6: probably gonna go back to my hotel. I got to

1205
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 6: work tomorrow. He's like, well, come to the studio. I

1206
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 6: want you to meet this kid that we have coming

1207
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 6: out on our label on Disturbing the Piece. I just

1208
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 6: want you to meet them, and you know, listen to

1209
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 6: some of the album. So sure enough, you know, went

1210
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 6: to the studio. I met Ching as we were, you know,

1211
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 6: kind of there hanging and vibing. Ponent said, well, man,

1212
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 6: we got this song called one Call Away looking for

1213
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 6: this artist, you know, to sing the hook, but we

1214
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 6: can't find the right voice for it. Like he was like, man,

1215
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 6: you still sing right? I was like yeah, but I mean,

1216
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 6: come on, man, the record industry is not trying to

1217
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 6: hear Jason Weave on a hook right now. Like I'm

1218
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 6: doing movies and I'm on TV. Like they're not tripping.

1219
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 6: It's like, just just come in tomorrow, sing down the

1220
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 6: song a few times, you know, we'll send it to Capitol.

1221
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 6: We'll see if they like it. Sure enough, the next

1222
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 6: day I go to work and I'll never forget it.

1223
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 6: I got a call like right when I was on

1224
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 6: set in the middle of my scene and Pohan was like, man,

1225
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 6: we got the studio time. You know, do you think

1226
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 6: that you can you can make it here in the

1227
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 6: next couple of hours. I'm like, dude, I'm gonna set

1228
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 6: working with the Cohen brothers.

1229
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: Like what are you talking about.

1230
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 6: I'm not yeah, Hank, Yeah, I'm looking at Tom Hanks,

1231
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 6: you know, getting prepared in hair and makeup, like are

1232
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 6: you saring? But as I'm as I'm having this conversation,

1233
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 6: Ethan is like next to me, like or he's in

1234
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 6: earshot distance, so he's listening. We do a couple of

1235
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 6: takes of the scene. I think we were getting like

1236
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 6: the master shot or whatever. And then after lunch we

1237
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 6: were gonna start going in and getting coverage. And so

1238
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 6: as we're breaking down for lunch, Ethan was like, hey, man,

1239
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 6: you got like a studio session or something booked today.

1240
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 6: I was like, oh no, mister coin Man, it's man,

1241
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 6: this dude is crazy. I was like, I total I was,

1242
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to save my job. I'm at this point.

1243
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 6: I'm like, this dude's I'm not leaving. Said, I'm right here.

1244
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 6: He's like, no, well, I mean we got an hour.

1245
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 6: He's like, and then you know the coverage that we're

1246
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 6: gonna get, we're gonna do this. You won't even be

1247
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 6: in it. Man, where is it? And we were shooting

1248
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 6: in Glendale that day and the session that I had

1249
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 6: to go to is in Burbank.

1250
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

1251
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 6: Yeah not far so He's like, man, it's in Burbank.

1252
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, it's off for Magnolia. He's like,

1253
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 6: go and do it real quick. If you can knock

1254
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 6: it out, Like, go and knock it real talk man,

1255
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,959
Speaker 6: and shout out to eat the call for that because

1256
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 6: he didn't have to do that, but he was real

1257
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 6: cool about it, and so I went. I went to

1258
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 6: Enterprise Studios. I sang the song down maybe about five

1259
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 6: or six different times on separate tracks, and then I

1260
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 6: left and went back to work, and then they camped

1261
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 6: the vocals and then they sent it to Capital, and

1262
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 6: Capital was like, man, we really really like it, but

1263
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 6: we have different versions from different artists. And then they

1264
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 6: did like a focus group and they played all the

1265
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: different versions for this focus group, and Mom was the

1266
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 6: one that, you know, kind of came out on top.

1267
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 6: And that's what I got on that record.

1268
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: Honest fun day.

1269
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: I did not expect when I asked that question that

1270
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: the answer to how one call Away with Chiney came

1271
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: about is actually Ethan Culin.

1272
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 6: Brothers.

1273
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: I love Sorry, I just couldn't love it anymore. That's awesome.

1274
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 4: By the way, I will say one of my favorite

1275
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 4: bands of all time. I do listen to a little

1276
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 4: bit later music. Outcast will always be one of my

1277
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 4: favorite favorite groups ever ever. And Jurassic Five. So there's

1278
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: there's there's kayeties I did. I made it into the nineties.

1279
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: I could I could listen to I. I could listen

1280
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 4: to Outcast over and over and frankly I do so Yeah,

1281
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 4: I love them, Love.

1282
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: Jason.

1283
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: You are also still working on TV. You never really left.

1284
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: You're on The Shy debuting a new season next month,

1285
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: and you'll be on Tyler Perry's Sisters for its sixth.

1286
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: Season on be Ep.

1287
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a time in your life you

1288
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: have been doing this for so long. You've talked about

1289
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: how blessed you've been. Has there ever been a time

1290
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: where you've thought, Man, maybe I'll just leave this all

1291
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: behind and go get a quote unquote regular job and

1292
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: just have a regular old life.

1293
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a time where you've thought about that? Oh?

1294
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, you know, just just being completely transparent

1295
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 6: and real. There was a time in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 6: two thousand and nine, I was in Los Angeles, me

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Speaker 6: and my ex girlfriend. We were living in Hollywood at

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Speaker 6: the time, in this little town home that we were

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Speaker 6: like Rennie. And this was like during the Great Recession,

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01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 6: and you know, so the economy was really really bad.

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Speaker 6: And then you know, as far as you know, content

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Speaker 6: in certain things traditionally that I had always been a

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 6: part of a certain films that I've always been a

1304
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 6: part of those opportunities that kind of dried up. I

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01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 6: think just because there was there was really no money,

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01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 6: and there was really not a lot of backers that

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 6: were willing to get behind films. That weren't a lot

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 6: of studios that were willing to get behind certain kind

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Speaker 6: of films, and so, you know, the opportunities were far

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Speaker 6: in between. And I'll never forget I was, you know,

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01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 6: I hadn't worked for maybe six months. I'd had a

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 6: horrible pilot season. I think that was like my second

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01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 6: second horrible pilot season where I didn't book anything. The

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 6: little jobs that I, you know, was was kind of

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01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 6: getting in. They were jobs that were kind of just

1316
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 6: keeping the bills paid and keeping your face out there.

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01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 6: But it really wasn't like making a difference. And so

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Speaker 6: I got into point where I was, you know, I

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01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 6: found myself at this point of transition where I was like, Okay,

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01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 6: well maybe this is maybe this is the point where

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 6: you know, I kind of segue or transition into something else,

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 6: and you know, and I was fine with that because

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 6: I made peace with myself that like, okay, well, as

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Speaker 6: an actor that is, or as a performer that if

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Speaker 6: that was if this was kind of the end of it,

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Speaker 6: then I'll take it. But what ended up happening was

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Speaker 6: right across the street from where I was. I was living.

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Speaker 6: I was on Sunset and Vine and the Arc Light

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 6: there was the Arc Light theater. In the areas like

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Speaker 6: this plaza shopping plaza there, and then that shopping plaza

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01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 6: was a Locordon Blue culinary school. Yeah. So I'm in,

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Speaker 6: I'm in, I'm in this apartment. I'm depressed, not knowing

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Speaker 6: what I'm going to do, what the future holds. I

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 6: have my son out there with me. My son is

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01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 6: like what eight or nine at the time, his mother

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 6: and I were co parenting. She just she just so

1337
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 6: happened to be out in California as well, so we

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Speaker 6: were able to co parent and raise our child. You know,

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01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 6: even as I was out there, you know, trying to

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 6: get a job, and you know, I'm just having one

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01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 6: of those moments and I'll never forget. My ex girlfriend

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Speaker 6: was like, uh, she said, we know how, you know,

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01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 6: I know it's kind of tough right now, but you know,

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01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 6: keep your creative juices flowing. And the one thing that

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Speaker 6: I know that she do love to do is to cook.

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Speaker 6: Which I did because I would have friends over. We

1347
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 6: would have kind of like these actor pity parties, and

1348
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 6: you know, you don't have these, you'd have these horrible auditions.

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01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 6: And so we would get together, you know, in the

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Speaker 6: afternoon or in the evening, and we just down bottles

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01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 6: of wine and we talked about horrible auditions and our

1352
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 6: lives were at that time. And so I would do

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01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 6: all the cooking for these pity parties. And so my

1354
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 6: ex was like, well, you know you love to cook.

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Speaker 6: There's a culinary school across the street. Why don't you

1356
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 6: just so so you're doing something, you're keeping your creative juice.

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01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 6: Just just go over there and do the orientation. Check

1358
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 6: it out, you know, see if it's something you want

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 6: to do. Sure Enough, I woke up the next day,

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Speaker 6: I went to the orientation, fell in love with it,

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Speaker 6: enrolled in culinary school. Ended up doing that for about

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Speaker 6: the year and a half. I was in the same

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Speaker 6: as a matter of fact, I wasn't in the same

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01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 6: exact class, but I was in the same graduating class

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 6: as Kalise, the singer Calise. She she went to the

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01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 6: same culinary school, and so you know, I was in

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01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 6: there for like a year and a half and that

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01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 6: really kept me balanced and kept me sane because you know,

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Speaker 6: as all of us knows as creators and as actors

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01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 6: and performers, when you're not in that space, it could

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 6: be difficult because you know, I know, at least for me,

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01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 6: that's that's a huge part of who I am. And

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01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 6: when I'm not able to express myself creatively and to

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01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 6: be around other creatives and bouncing off that energy, you know,

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm dying. I feel like I'm like

1376
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 6: withering away, you know what I'm saying. So what what

1377
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 6: culinary school did for me and and you know, diving

1378
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 6: into that world was it gave me the opportunity to

1379
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 6: form new relationships that I probably normally, you know, wouldn't

1380
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 6: have been able to. I learned a new skill set,

1381
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 6: you know, something to do professionally and just in case

1382
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 6: I may hit another law or a space where I

1383
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 6: still got to provide and keep a roof over my

1384
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 6: head and you know, take care of my family. That's

1385
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 6: what it did. And it also gave me another creative

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01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 6: outlet to where you know, even now, when I when

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01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 6: I think of projects or things that I may want

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01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 6: to do or develop, That's also another world that I

1389
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 6: could kind of pull into my wheelhouse because I do

1390
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,440
Speaker 6: have that experience of going to culinary school and working professionally,

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01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 6: you know, in the back of the house at certain

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 6: fine dining establishments and you know, knowing knowing what it

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 6: is to you know, worked the line. And so I

1394
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 6: did that. I did that from like eight to twenty ten,

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01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 6: and it really was it was a humbling experience for me,

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01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 6: but it was much needed because when things begin to

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01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 6: kind of pick back up work wise, and the industry

1398
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 6: was providing more opportunities for performance like myself to be

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 6: seen and be heard, I went back into it with

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 6: a you know, a new energy and reconnecting with my

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 6: real purpose, you know, really understanding just how truly fortunate

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 6: and blessed I am, you know, to be working in

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 6: the industry. And so I, you know, although I've always

1404
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 6: taken it seriously and I've always been grateful, coming out

1405
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 6: of that chapter of my life, it just lit an

1406
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 6: even bigger fire up under me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So to bring it back to summertime, switch, well, your

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01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 2: character fast Freddy Egan.

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01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 3: Is in the kitchen, and will you point it out

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: You're like I did perfectly poaching eggs.

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is going to poach?

1412
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 4: You learn how to perfectly poach these, Like he's a chef,

1413
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 4: how is your chef?

1414
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: All of a sudden you.

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01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 6: Back then don't do their c I'll give it. I

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01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 6: guess it was somebody in the arms department of props.

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 6: They did that.

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01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 2: It was perfectly poaching.

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 6: It was shadow and that's so hard to do.

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01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: It's incredibly hard to do. That's what they say.

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: It's like the way that you you show the skill

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 4: of a chef as you go poach me an egg.

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01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: I mean, that's one of the things they do is

1424
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: poach me an egg.

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 4: So I'm like, he's he's twelve and he's perfectly poaching

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01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 4: these eggs every days, Like, how is that happening?

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 6: No way? Because that that's what I got hung up

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 6: with in culinary school because in order to like graduate,

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 6: you have to be able to prepare eggs five different ways,

1430
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 6: and your knife cuts have to be precise. So I

1431
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 6: could get eggs every other way. I can make a

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 6: frenchime like it's nobody's business, but poaching an egg o, no.

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01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 4: No, that two thousand, two thousand and eight thousand and

1434
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 4: so there was always an old adage that the only

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 4: two businesses in the world that were recession proof were

1436
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 4: the mafia and the entertainment industry. And then two thousand

1437
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 4: and eight, two thousand and nine hit and that all changed.

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, I'm not speaking for the mafia.

1439
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 2: I have no idea. They probably did very well.

1440
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 4: But the entertainment industry, I mean it was struggling, I

1441
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 4: mean really struggling.

1442
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was bad.

1443
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 3: We had the strike too, I mean that's the thing, like,

1444
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 3: it was all, yeah, we're kind of we're kind of

1445
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: in it again. I know, I don't know how people

1446
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: make money, like I don't understand it anymore, or I

1447
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 3: don't know how you and how the companies make motes.

1448
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 4: They don't either, which is why a lot of these

1449
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 4: companies aren't. They're losing money hand over fist, and you

1450
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 4: know it's it's the Netflix model isn't working. Eventually everyone

1451
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 4: has a subscription, and where do you go from you

1452
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 4: so you know it's yeah.

1453
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: Well, Jason, we cannot thank you enough for coming and

1454
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: spending this hour with us reminiscing about your incredible career,

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01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: most notably the phenomenon that is summertime switch yeah, the fans.

1456
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: Of the shoe.

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 6: That's right, That's right.

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I just thank you so much. It was such

1459
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: a pleasure talking to you. You are so inspiring and

1460
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: motivational and all those things. So thank you for being

1461
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: a person we can all look up to and for

1462
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: spending some time with us.

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: So great to see you, and thank you.

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 6: No writer, Danielle will thank you guys so much. This

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01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 6: is This has been a fantastic hour and I've been

1466
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 6: able to spend with you all. You know, I've admired

1467
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 6: you guys so much throughout the years, and to be

1468
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 6: able to share that with you all face to face

1469
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 6: and do via zoom to let you know how much

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01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 6: I've enjoyed you all's work over the years and and

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 6: just even now this this chapter and this this time

1472
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 6: in our lives as adults who were able to reconnect. Uh,

1473
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 6: this has just been a joy for me.

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01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 5: Man.

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01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 6: This has really made my day. And I wish you

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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 6: all continued success. This show is hugely popular. I'm going

1477
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 6: to continue to support it. I love it because you

1478
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 6: guys are going on tour as well. Are you guys

1479
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 6: coming to Atlanta?

1480
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: Not on this first round?

1481
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 6: Will do me a favorite if you guys are ever

1482
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 6: in Atlanta or Chicago, make sure you call me because

1483
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 6: I would love to come and see you guys lives. Yes,

1484
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 6: because this is great.

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely do that. Also, I just want to throw it

1486
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: out there. What about summertime? Switch to you guys are

1487
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: counselors and this time it's sum time here some time.

1488
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't have to play basketball.

1489
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 3: You do not.

1490
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: You can give me a basketball.

1491
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: We will, don't worry. We know you're not into the

1492
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: sports ball, I promise.

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01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 6: But I would definitely be open to working with writer

1494
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 6: a cat that wants to be a ball, I'm down

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01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 6: for it as long as.

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 2: All right, that's what they wanted to hear. All right,

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01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jon, Thanks.

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 6: Jason, good afternoon.

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: Thank you too. Oh man, what an absolute unsant human being.

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01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh you went a different way.

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 4: Just a confusion O God, yeah, God, what a pro.

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean you talk about being a triple threat, like

1503
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: you can sing, you can dance, you can act, you

1504
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 3: have insane success in all three areas by the age

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 3: of fourteen. I mean, that's why I felt like, you

1506
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 3: know he was so much older, is because when we

1507
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 3: showed up on that set, like he was there to

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01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 3: work and knew what that.

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01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: Meant, and he stole it toole.

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: He stole the meeting, and like I had no idea

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 3: what I was doing, you know, it was just like, oh,

1512
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 3: plug and Plush show up and I'll figure out what

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 3: acting means. Like he was already and it really you know,

1514
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: like having a mom like his, you know, because we're

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01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: all protected by our parents, Like we've all talked about

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01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: it on the show, but when you're protected by your

1517
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 3: parents and they have a little bit of knowledge about

1518
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 3: how the industry actually works, it can go a long way,

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: I know for you, Like, my parents had no clue

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01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 3: what was going on, and we just got lucky that

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01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 3: my first agent was Judy's Savage again no relation to

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01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: events Savage and she was still to this day like

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 3: one of my parents' closest friends. Like I just got

1524
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 3: so lucky because she was such a pro and protected

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 3: me in a way that you know, my parents couldn't

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 3: because they didn't have the knowledge, they didn't have a

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: skill set, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's also I mean, in any career, especially

1529
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 4: when you start as a child, anything that you do,

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01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 4: if you get one project that endures where thirty years later,

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 4: people still remember it you have hit a home run.

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: He's got like five, I know, he's got all of them.

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's insane.

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 4: You get when when the third thing you talk about

1535
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 4: is the Lion King, right, It's like, are you kidding me?

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01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: That was third of It's incredible, amazing, amazing. And he's

1537
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: still working, he's still just playing great shows, two shows, right,

1538
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: He's just he's a lifer.

1539
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's so great.

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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