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Speaker 1: and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: It is officially Washington Week here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 3: And of course it's a Wednesday. There's gotta be football
Speaker 3: players on the football field here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be.
Speaker 3: You gotta be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's going on here.
Speaker 3: Wednesday? And we have we don't have football players on
Speaker 3: the football field.
Speaker 2: Tell me about it.
Speaker 4: And you don't have a head coach at the podium either.
Speaker 3: Until four forty this afternoon.
Speaker 5: Right, so that will be after practice, long after practice,
Speaker 5: long after No, the.
Speaker 3: Locker room just wrapped up. Have you been in the
Speaker 3: locker room? I wasn't scoop.
Speaker 4: How many people talk to.
Speaker 3: A lot of players talking, right, Let's see last Wednesday? Wait, wait,
Speaker 3: hold on last Wednesday. Yeah, we had awesome Richard's and
Speaker 3: Tchuma Edoga who talked to the media.
Speaker 4: Well, those are the only ones that camera got in
Speaker 4: front of. Okay, if you can talk to anybody you.
Speaker 3: Want, Okay, So what about today? Trey Lance, I think
Speaker 3: he talked last Wednesday.
Speaker 5: Also Juan Ye Thomas Okay, guiding, Uh.
Speaker 4: Brandon Cooks. I don't know if Jordan Lewis talked today
Speaker 4: or not. He was by his locker. We chit chatted
Speaker 4: with DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 3: He sounds like you're going down the injury report.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Cooks in a practice today, Okay. And I think he
Speaker 4: feels like he's ready to go.
Speaker 3: God, I hope, so six games now.
Speaker 4: He said, he's kind of felt like he's been ready.
Speaker 3: We've seen him running a little on the side. He
Speaker 3: looked like he was running pretty well to me, and
Speaker 3: he was the coach told me that this they were
Speaker 3: pointing towards this week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so he feels like he's good to go.
Speaker 5: I said, how many practices do you need?
Speaker 4: He goes, I'm good to go. So we'll take him
Speaker 4: at his work.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: I saw Brandon Aubery not doing a whole thing with
Speaker 5: cameras in there, but he was talking with a few people.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Hooker, well he Cooker.
Speaker 4: I didn't I left, I had to go do radio.
Speaker 4: Talked after me. I have a lot of masters to
Speaker 4: take care of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happens when you're a man, dude, That's right,
Speaker 2: that's what happened.
Speaker 3: So all those people talked anything of note to come
Speaker 3: out of there.
Speaker 5: I thought this was interesting. Okay, oh turpent talk too.
Speaker 2: Okay, nice boy.
Speaker 4: The fastest man in the.
Speaker 2: World, fastest man in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Over twenty two miles per hour.
Speaker 5: Twenty two point three six sometime. Wow, yeah, fast that
Speaker 5: torpedo twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: You know what they kind of call that? What's that
Speaker 3: his turpent time?
Speaker 4: Turpent time leave.
Speaker 3: Miles per hour time.
Speaker 4: We've sort of used that long time.
Speaker 2: We didn't use it that time.
Speaker 4: We use like turpens time, actual time.
Speaker 3: But that's not his time. Actually, forget well, you see
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 4: You see what.
Speaker 5: Happens on kickoff returns. Right now, they're they're not just
Speaker 5: kicking it into the end zone. They're kicking it out
Speaker 5: of the end zone because they know he'll return it,
Speaker 5: which he had and they've given him the green light
Speaker 5: to do so. Even the one he brought back I
Speaker 5: think it was against the Eagles eight yards deep and
Speaker 5: came out with it, and Fossil basically said we're just
Speaker 5: looking at this as an offensive play.
Speaker 2: Might as well, right, Yeah, ye chance, we got personnel.
Speaker 4: It's another way to get the ball in the offense.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: How many home games have there been this year? Five
Speaker 3: which is the same number, and five which is the
Speaker 3: same number of touchdowns at home? Well, but it's been,
Speaker 3: so that's why you want to go ahead and get
Speaker 3: it and make special teams part of your offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good field position. That's the field position game you're play.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: Because his return for a touchdown was on the road, right,
Speaker 5: that didn't count as a home touchdown. So also I
Speaker 5: thought this was interesting because I went back and looked
Speaker 5: at it, the failed fake punt. We were talking to
Speaker 5: Wanye Thomas and he basically said that he has the
Speaker 5: right of way to call off anything he sees that's
Speaker 5: not lining up right. Well, what they did was they
Speaker 5: had their gunners are the guys to hold up the
Speaker 5: gunners on the outside, and everybody else was on the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. So I think it was Mechi that
Speaker 5: made the tackle. He was on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 5: with his hand down and at the stap at the
Speaker 5: snap he backed off and so.
Speaker 4: When they saw the original look.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, if that's the way they're going to
Speaker 5: play it, if I just run straight down the middle,
Speaker 5: I'm wide open.
Speaker 3: Do you know why Mechi backed off? Why is that
Speaker 3: because this team has a propensity to run fake punts?
Speaker 3: They SnO, Well they did because because I look to
Speaker 3: see if Anger could have done anything else, like to
Speaker 3: recognize is what happened when he got the ball in
Speaker 3: his hands, like getting ready to kick or whatever throw
Speaker 3: it was too late to kick. They have the look
Speaker 3: in Atlanta to on the edge.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody asked him about the Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not asking. Do you remember two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: remember when it was only we talked about there was
Speaker 3: one guy out there, and clearly they had enough of
Speaker 3: a look that they threw the pass and then, as
Speaker 3: it turned.
Speaker 4: Out, the guy was all over them right right, Bail exactly.
Speaker 3: And so you can't go by what the look that
Speaker 3: the defense is giving you on that, especially when then
Speaker 3: you have a propensity to run fake putts and so
Speaker 3: they're going to they are going to give you a
Speaker 3: look that will bait you into making.
Speaker 4: That play right right, So maybe you just don't do it.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So Anger is one for two, completed the pass one
Speaker 2: for two.
Speaker 3: But his fourth down completion rate.
Speaker 2: Is over to one for.
Speaker 3: No, I mean fourth down conversion rate, conversion the fourth
Speaker 3: down conversion rate. I said it wrong. Fourth down conversion
Speaker 3: rate is over too. Yeah, but his completion is fifty percent.
Speaker 3: But which gets you benched as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 5: I think I think, on a more serious note, do
Speaker 5: we have to Uh Fossil was talking about how much
Speaker 5: Marquise Bell has meant to this team, and uh so
Speaker 5: they're I think they're calling his injury a dislocation.
Speaker 4: He's got a football doc called it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well he's got a ligament tear, which is usually
Speaker 5: when you dislocate it, it'll tear something. But he also
Speaker 5: have has under his.
Speaker 4: Arm close to the bone.
Speaker 5: He's got a fracture too, and he got pretty emotional
Speaker 5: trying to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Fossil did.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys saw it or not.
Speaker 5: If anybody out there, just go look at his interview
Speaker 5: on Dallas Cowboys dot com. And he did something that
Speaker 5: I learned from Jason Garrett. When you're talking about something
Speaker 5: and you're getting emotional and get a drink of water,
Speaker 5: and he went down to get his water and kind
Speaker 5: of tried to compose himself because he thought so much
Speaker 5: of Bell how he was playing. He said that he
Speaker 5: was ready. He's got a board in the locker room,
Speaker 5: a video board, and it has a special teams rankings
Speaker 5: for the team, like not just tackles, but everything that
Speaker 5: you do. And he said he was he's leading it
Speaker 5: and he was ready to set the record since he
Speaker 5: started that, uh, compiling those stats and that's how well
Speaker 5: he was playing on special teams. And he just kind
Speaker 5: of got choked up talking about and losing him and
Speaker 5: also pointed out and I got it. I think I
Speaker 5: have to look on the TV copy because when I
Speaker 5: looked at the replay copy online it cut off. But uh,
Speaker 5: Leah File and cam Keeman Hall, is that it. When
Speaker 5: everybody was jostling in there, they were standing guard over
Speaker 5: Bill to keep people from falling down on top of them,
Speaker 5: trying to help out their teammate, and uh, he was
Speaker 5: kind of proud of his his guys the way they
Speaker 5: were standing up for one of their guys that was down.
Speaker 4: And then he dove to try to make the tackle
Speaker 4: man reach his arm out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the fear, you know, because a lot of
Speaker 2: us have done it. That's the fear. Just what happened,
Speaker 2: like one arm going out on one arm going out
Speaker 2: like that. I gotta face you out. Yeah, when he
Speaker 2: got heard of that, I.
Speaker 3: Could, you could tell when he was laying there. And
Speaker 3: at first I couldn't see the number. I thought it
Speaker 3: was CJ.
Speaker 2: Goodwin.
Speaker 4: I thought too. I saw the me too. I saw
Speaker 4: the one. I said, Oh, don't tell.
Speaker 5: Me, it's over shown because we couldn't see. They were
Speaker 5: all around it.
Speaker 3: And this is the even though this is Marquee Spell's
Speaker 3: third season in the league out of fam you, of course,
Speaker 3: I think Nate and Frisco and Frisco, Florida familiarity with
Speaker 3: that school. Even though this is his third year in
Speaker 3: the league, this is his first year to be a
Speaker 3: full time special teams player because last year he became
Speaker 3: a full time middle linebacker for this team at two
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen pounds, and so I was just looked up.
Speaker 3: He had a last year seventeen games and eight starts,
Speaker 3: and of course those eight starts came at linebacker. He
Speaker 3: had six hundred and forty nine snaps on defense, sixty
Speaker 3: one percent of the defensive snaps on the season, one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty six on special teams thirty one percent.
Speaker 3: So when he was not starting, he was a full
Speaker 3: time special teams guy last year, but then they took
Speaker 3: him off special teams because he was getting so many
Speaker 3: snaps on defense. This year, only thirty four snaps on
Speaker 3: defense and one hundred and sixty eight on special teams.
Speaker 3: So he's already got more special teams snaps this year
Speaker 3: in nine games. And of course inspect.
Speaker 5: And Fossil feels pretty good that at some point, if
Speaker 5: he gets the opportunity, he'll be a starting safety in
Speaker 5: this league.
Speaker 2: And I was going to ask you, why did we
Speaker 2: just demote him? Well, I don't know if you call
Speaker 2: it goodmotion, but just take him totally off of defense
Speaker 2: when we have safeties that are having the issues that
Speaker 2: they're having. And I've spoken of about Donovan Wilson and
Speaker 2: his uh inability to make plays. I was just wondering
Speaker 2: if Bell is he not as good as Donovan Wilson. Well,
Speaker 2: I think in the safety position, and I've.
Speaker 5: Seen some substitutions with him in there for Wilson, even.
Speaker 2: Thomas too, and I'm he moved. He moved well last year,
Speaker 2: and even though it was in a limited space as
Speaker 2: a mile linebacker, we've seen him. He came in as
Speaker 2: a safety and did pretty well. If I'm not if
Speaker 2: I if I recall.
Speaker 5: Well, he was a highly recruited athlete, and if I.
Speaker 6: Remember the story right, he ended up in Ordered Dane
Speaker 6: to start, and then there was some goofy stuff happened
Speaker 6: and he transferred and ended up at FAM.
Speaker 2: You but I think he went through Maryland.
Speaker 4: Or Maryland first injury.
Speaker 2: I think he went to Maryland first. I know there
Speaker 2: was Maryland before or fairm You.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe it was I got him confused with somebody else,
Speaker 5: But Bill's going to look it up there.
Speaker 3: I will looking up. I was looking up snapcounts for
Speaker 3: Hooker and Wilson and they've had ninety five percent of
Speaker 3: the snaps on defense this season.
Speaker 4: What was his college career?
Speaker 3: Marquise Bell? He grew up in Bridgeton, New Jersey, Bridgeton
Speaker 3: High School and he who do you think got it right? Mickey?
Speaker 3: Do you think you got it right?
Speaker 4: Or do you think ever Maryland?
Speaker 3: Because you're looking over my shoulder of media page, he
Speaker 3: accepted a football scholarship from the University of Maryland, which
Speaker 3: has no resemblance to Notre Dame. He was suspended entering
Speaker 3: his freshman season, got that due to a violation of
Speaker 3: the team's code of conduct.
Speaker 2: Beat somebody up, I think transferred.
Speaker 3: He transferred to Coffeeville Community College for the two thousand
Speaker 3: in eighteen season. Yes, and then transfer springs. Uh album,
Speaker 3: Really I went through film.
Speaker 5: That's where Missouri sent people when they couldn't right back exactly?
Speaker 3: Is that where you went to? Where different when you
Speaker 3: didn't qualify?
Speaker 2: Again? Four years?
Speaker 4: Graduate with internet? Internet?
Speaker 2: You tell them baby, no zoom classes.
Speaker 3: And then he transferred to famis he still doesn't use
Speaker 3: the internet.
Speaker 4: Because I don't need it. Probably it's all up there.
Speaker 4: That was the best line of the year.
Speaker 2: By the way, It's like the commercial with the family
Speaker 2: that refuses to upgrade on.
Speaker 3: The up still got the dial up.
Speaker 2: Right on the treadmill because he's powering the whole house.
Speaker 3: Nicky still got the dial up.
Speaker 4: You hear the right like a meal head and laugh.
Speaker 4: How many years did you spend in college?
Speaker 2: Did I? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Four four four? Yeah, but it was Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't graduate, so yeah he did.
Speaker 3: You did you go to law school.
Speaker 4: No, I was smart enough not to.
Speaker 3: I was smart enough to graduate in one month from
Speaker 3: law school, enough to quit, all right. But anyway, uh yeah,
Speaker 3: and so and one of the things that Fossil did
Speaker 3: say talking about Marque's bell, he will be back, but
Speaker 3: it's not going to be so not this year.
Speaker 2: We talked about coaches, you know, getting the most. That's
Speaker 2: pretty cool actually for him to have those kind of
Speaker 2: feelings about his player. You talked about Jason Garrett.
Speaker 4: He did that as well with the water. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what That's how I learned it. I can't remember who
Speaker 4: he was talking about. Was something now he got emotional
Speaker 4: about something, and he would he would go back.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Lukelfenburg was one yeacause he was asked when
Speaker 3: Luke passed away, and they're very close to Laufenburg.
Speaker 5: Was so when I had as a matter of fact,
Speaker 5: I wish I had known it sooner. When I was
Speaker 5: talking about my parents at their memorial services and the
Speaker 5: next door neighbor passed away, and I started, and I go,
Speaker 5: I need I could.
Speaker 2: I'd be spitting in my water. I'd be still crying.
Speaker 2: I don't think that would work. Yeah, I could see
Speaker 2: myself trying to do that.
Speaker 4: Anything else about mixed shots today, take the water.
Speaker 3: Or something strong?
Speaker 4: Yes, right, all right, we continue with more mixed shots.
Speaker 3: And it was the line of the year from producers
Speaker 3: Supreme right.
Speaker 2: He made it like he said, it was like you
Speaker 2: got we have to tell you that.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, you take them yourself and two against.
Speaker 4: One is bad enough. Free. I think that's a little
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Speaker 3: Okay, mickey, what else do you have on your legal pad?
Speaker 3: Because we've got some other things to get into with
Speaker 3: some news this morning that do we need to point out.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go with the news then, Okay.
Speaker 3: Twenty five modern era players were named as semifinalists for
Speaker 3: the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five this morning. And among them is Darren Woodson for
Speaker 3: the ninth time, and he is a semi finalist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the are you a senior?
Speaker 2: What do they call that?
Speaker 3: It'll be December, it'll be December before your.
Speaker 4: But they just go to three then in December, is
Speaker 4: that right?
Speaker 3: And those are three that are basically don't say that.
Speaker 4: Red stamped, rubber stamp, say red stamp.
Speaker 2: Remember he was in at that point, didn't it You're
Speaker 2: not it ain't over.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what.
Speaker 5: It happened to Bob Hayes, and it happened to Cheah
Speaker 5: rayphil Wright. They made it and then they didn't get
Speaker 5: rubber stamped at the.
Speaker 2: End, only with Cowboys.
Speaker 5: It was at the Super Bowl only with Cowboys, super
Speaker 5: Bowl in Houston. They didn't get the eighty percent after
Speaker 5: they made it to the finals.
Speaker 4: That's crazy, Bob Hayes.
Speaker 2: Well, hell, we had the Tom Jerry into putting Bob Hazy.
Speaker 4: Well, the dude, the dude that was still covering the
Speaker 4: team or voting, he covered the vikings. Uh Hartman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he would and vote for Bob Hayes because he
Speaker 5: said he put his hands in his in his pants
Speaker 5: during the.
Speaker 2: Everybody has a moment, right, everybody has a moment. You
Speaker 2: could say, yah, going the basketball Kobe, I didn't even
Speaker 2: play an entire game. He sat in the corner, pissed
Speaker 2: off at his team and wouldn't shoot the balls passing
Speaker 2: back to him. Come on, everybody's got moment.
Speaker 4: He held it against him.
Speaker 2: It's so much you can hold against the player.
Speaker 4: I know. Oh my, I thought he was smart. It's
Speaker 4: thirteen below. I don't have gloves on. Why where are
Speaker 4: we going to do it? In my hands?
Speaker 3: So you look at these twenty five semifinalists announced this morning,
Speaker 3: and Darren Woodson has been a semifinalist now nine times
Speaker 3: on the list of twenty five. I was running through
Speaker 3: it to see who else who might have been a
Speaker 3: semifinalist more times than would he? And I love it,
Speaker 3: and I well in this current class, in this current
Speaker 3: semifinalist class. And Hines Ward this is his ninth straight
Speaker 3: year to be a semifinalist, and I don't see another
Speaker 3: one with nine or even close to nine.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Fred Taylor's is his sixth time, and there was, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Tory Holt now eleven times, So Tory Holt
Speaker 3: is the most times.
Speaker 2: So Toy's not in yet.
Speaker 3: Tory's not in. He has been a semi finalist now
Speaker 3: eleven times. And then you've got Darren, Darren Woodson and
Speaker 3: Hines Warde.
Speaker 2: Was that Toy Tory?
Speaker 3: Well ever since twenty fifteen, every year he's been a
Speaker 3: semi finalist.
Speaker 2: Year together, we didn't make it. I thought maybe he
Speaker 2: would surely get in.
Speaker 4: What was that as a senior? No, that was your
Speaker 4: regular the only modern day that I had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but he had. I guess he had. Al
Speaker 2: would have been there a couple of times.
Speaker 3: By the way, Richmond Webb, Dallas native, he is a
Speaker 3: semi finalist offensive lineman for the Dolphins. He's a semifinalist
Speaker 3: for the first time.
Speaker 2: Hm, you would think that, you know, we we always
Speaker 2: called a cowboy bias. But I'm surprised with the Hines
Speaker 2: ward Yeah. You know, being a Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: Steel the whole Steelers teams, they always go the whole organization, right.
Speaker 3: So here are the ones that are semi finalists in
Speaker 3: their first year of eligibility this year. Luke Keickley, Eli Manning,
Speaker 3: Darrell Suggs, Earl Thomas, Adam Vinieri and Marshall Yander one two, three, four, five,
Speaker 3: six of them Thomas Texas safety Seattle.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, man, he's not in.
Speaker 3: What's his first year of eligibility.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: He took a while a time, not yet in, so
Speaker 3: you're it sounds like you're putting him in in his
Speaker 3: first year of eligibility.
Speaker 2: I just liked that team, that defense, the way he
Speaker 2: handled himself. He was the backbone of that.
Speaker 3: So among those you got six of them there? How many?
Speaker 3: How many of these get in in their first year
Speaker 3: of eligibility? Give them Eli, Suggs, Earl, Thomas, Vinitary or Yandam.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're shaking your head, Okay, make them away?
Speaker 2: Yeah what do you think? Yeah? I mean, no offense
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 3: But first first ballot, of course, the talk is going
Speaker 3: to be about Eli.
Speaker 4: But this is this is first ballot.
Speaker 3: This is our first year of eligibility, so it be
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famers, modern modern, this is the modern. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole listen is this is modern day. For any
Speaker 3: of those first ballot Hall of and The thing on
Speaker 3: Keighley is because it's shortened career. Right, He's clearly going
Speaker 3: to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: But you mean the linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from Carolina.
Speaker 5: So are any of those guys in the same category
Speaker 5: as Jerry Rice, Troy Aikman, and At Smith, Yeah, right,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: Those are first ballots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say.
Speaker 4: I mean even Michael Irvin wasn't in first ballot.
Speaker 2: The marks where was not so, the Whear wasn't so.
Speaker 3: No, And Suggs was a seven time Pro Bowler, Defensive
Speaker 3: Player of the Year in twenty eleven, two time Super
Speaker 3: Bowl champion.
Speaker 5: He was the only one in that group that I
Speaker 5: would have said maybe yes, because he distinguished in.
Speaker 3: Himself over a lengthy career. Yeah, I mean from three
Speaker 3: through nineteen.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 4: I mean I remember when he came out.
Speaker 3: My answer, so Suggs.
Speaker 4: He I remember when he came out.
Speaker 5: First, Arizona was he he was considered two small right,
Speaker 5: Arizona State, Yes, that's what. But he went No, he
Speaker 5: played with the I thought it was.
Speaker 4: He played with the Cardinals. No, did he go straight to.
Speaker 3: He's from Arizona State and went straight He did play
Speaker 3: with the Cardinals late in twenty nineteen, but in his
Speaker 3: last season he split between the Cardinals and the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: But for sixteen seasons in Baltimore, Valde Ravens and I
Speaker 3: would say that's pretty good defensive.
Speaker 5: Because he came out as an undersized defensive end, like right, oh,
Speaker 5: all he can do is rush the passer.
Speaker 4: Well, he ended up pretty helps.
Speaker 3: Okay, defensive end. So while we're at this, all right,
Speaker 3: here's Keikley. I said, Suggs was a seven time Pro Bowler.
Speaker 3: Keickley was a seven time Pro bowler. Said Suggs was
Speaker 3: a defensive player of the Year. Keickley was a defensive
Speaker 3: Player of the Year in twenty thirteen. He was five
Speaker 3: time first team All Row and of course no Super
Speaker 3: Bowl championship. They made it to the Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl one year.
Speaker 3: So and his career was only eight seasons. So think
Speaker 3: about Sugg's career twice as long as Keighley now. And
Speaker 3: for Keikley, I mean had concussion issues he had to retire,
Speaker 3: and but still it's still that eight years as opposed
Speaker 3: to sixteen seventeen years.
Speaker 2: I don't remember enhancing, no enhancements.
Speaker 3: Now he played this past decade not not doing so,
Speaker 3: so none of it. No one's done that here lately, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no one. They just they make them weather. Now,
Speaker 2: that's what it is. That's right.
Speaker 5: As Nate would say, taglerbou created his career because back
Speaker 5: then all those guys were artificially getting big.
Speaker 4: Okay, Nate was just big, Nate, I mean six times.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, six time pro bowler.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, bro, I just because I know the dude
Speaker 2: that has none to do.
Speaker 4: It's not much less than seven, right, crazy man.
Speaker 2: I made three three, three super Bowls and and blocked
Speaker 2: four the.
Speaker 3: All time leading all the time leader.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, let me get You're supposed to carry
Speaker 2: people with you. I mean, the running back is supposed
Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, these guys come with me. Eric,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, Nate, you know these guys.
Speaker 3: So far it's just Larry Allen, who wasn't on the
Speaker 3: first Super Bowl teams now first two yep. So while
Speaker 3: we're at it, Eli, man, and this is the one
Speaker 3: that will get all the talk. Yes, and so he's
Speaker 3: obviously a two time Super Bowl champion, two times Super
Speaker 3: Bowl MVP, Walter Payton, NFL Man of the Year, four
Speaker 3: time Pro bowler.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one.
Speaker 5: I think there's too many people out there that didn't
Speaker 5: like him.
Speaker 4: Not like him, like him, like him as a player.
Speaker 2: I think it was there are times of his inconsistency.
Speaker 2: Eli's legacy to me is coming up big in the
Speaker 2: big games. I never really knew what his numbers added
Speaker 2: up to. Of course you can't. You can't deny. And
Speaker 2: also you can add to it the fact that he
Speaker 2: beat probably the greatest team in history in the New
Speaker 2: England Patriots.
Speaker 4: Was that the catch on the helmet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the catch on the hill with tree, undefeated
Speaker 2: team coming in and hell did they barely? Did they
Speaker 2: beat us to get there? Right? The Giants?
Speaker 4: Was that the old seven one?
Speaker 2: I think it was?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: It was yes? Yeah, right, they were like nine and seven.
Speaker 3: That Ye was cowbo.
Speaker 5: It wasn't Terri Owens not able to run from a
Speaker 5: high ankle.
Speaker 2: Spring or missing the ball, Yeah, miss the quick slant,
Speaker 2: none of that.
Speaker 5: Okay, Cowboys just wanted to run the ball instead of
Speaker 5: throwing it.
Speaker 3: So in the context of first obviously Eli Manning is
Speaker 3: going to get in, But in the terms of first
Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer, he ranks eleventh all time in
Speaker 3: career passing yards with fifty seven thousand, eleventh all time,
Speaker 3: with three hundred and sixty six passing touchdowns, seventh all
Speaker 3: time in passer rating, which is you just it favors
Speaker 3: the more modern players over the Roger Stabox of the world,
Speaker 3: Terry Bradshaws. Uh, any other set you like anyway? So
Speaker 3: is that first ballot Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4: I still say no. I'm with you on the consistency.
Speaker 3: You'd say yes if he hadn't written his name on
Speaker 3: the locker room at AT and T Stadium, Right, he
Speaker 3: did that after the first game, first game because the
Speaker 3: Giants won.
Speaker 5: He christened the stadium with the loss.
Speaker 3: Well, his look, the look on his face, will not
Speaker 3: keep him out as the first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Well, that's.
Speaker 3: That's the big negative. He looked confused all the time.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that wasn't His demeanor didn't help. I must
Speaker 2: admit that because you bring up his numbers, good numbers, eleven,
Speaker 2: Come on, good numbers, man, those are good numbers.
Speaker 3: What do you think Gary Myers are doing? He's a
Speaker 3: voting him in versus ballot. Now, okay, Gary Myers just
Speaker 3: needs to He's got bigger work.
Speaker 2: He's got.
Speaker 3: And that's going to be in December.
Speaker 2: Let's see that.
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Speaker 3: By the way, on the Hall of Fame talk, we
Speaker 3: mentioned DeMarcus ware was second year of eligibility he got
Speaker 3: in and DeMarcus had one hundred and thirty eight and
Speaker 3: a half sacks in his career. Suggs one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty nine sacks in his career, So it'll be interesting
Speaker 3: to see if Suggs gets in on the first ballot. Still,
Speaker 3: and guys, on one other note, and we'll talk RV
Speaker 3: if you want. ELI also twelfth all time and interceptions
Speaker 3: I mentioned he was eleventh all time in passing touchdowns
Speaker 3: and yards, twelfth in interceptions. Yes, we love the beautiful.
Speaker 2: Harvey are beautiful, you'd be didn't they take away two
Speaker 2: of his sacks?
Speaker 3: Well they didn't. It didn't become an official stat until
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one and so.
Speaker 4: So he had three years there without no two eighty
Speaker 4: two and so, but official, so.
Speaker 5: He only had what two years those last two years
Speaker 5: didn't count or no all of them, but the last
Speaker 5: two years.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Now, the Cowboys went back and they credited him, right,
Speaker 3: Oh did they?
Speaker 5: Well that that that group out of was it Pittsburgh?
Speaker 5: So they redid all the all the sacks for guy's
Speaker 5: careers that didn't count, and.
Speaker 3: So on Pro Football Reference they've got Harvey with one
Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen sacks.
Speaker 4: Right, So they they took those guys research they.
Speaker 3: Did, Yeah, including a twenty sax season in nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: seven when he was the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about defensive players of the Year for
Speaker 3: the NFL WIV, We're talking about that with Keith Lee,
Speaker 3: We're talking about that with Sugs and considering them to
Speaker 3: be first ballot Hall of famers. Well, we've got one
Speaker 3: in our midst here with the Cowboys, who is a
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year in nineteen seventy seven with
Speaker 3: twenty sacks and he's not even mentioned.
Speaker 2: Not even mentioned. That's crazy. And I talked to some media,
Speaker 2: even Mayas, about guys that are getting screwed, you know,
Speaker 2: in regards to being nominated, and I'd mentioned Harvey Marden
Speaker 2: to him and he just blew it off, just like,
Speaker 2: oh no.
Speaker 3: No, And it's twenty sacks in a fourteen game season two.
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that in seventy seven.
Speaker 3: I didn't go to sixteen games.
Speaker 2: So well, do you mean just no know what?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: What is the deal? You know? So you know, you
Speaker 2: never know what these reporters are thinking. You guys are crazy.
Speaker 4: Let's just make it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just keep it that way. Harvey Martin, that
Speaker 2: was my man from Dallas, Texas too.
Speaker 3: Man south Old Cliff, south Old Cliff.
Speaker 2: He was the beautiful Harby mud he was things were
Speaker 2: really going well.
Speaker 4: For East Texas State, East Texas.
Speaker 2: State University and that was that the Texas A and
Speaker 2: m Commerce.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, okay, okay, what else we're trying to delay
Speaker 3: talking about this team as much as possible.
Speaker 2: You know what I brought the wrong Yeah, well it's okay,
Speaker 2: we don't want to talk everybody.
Speaker 5: Everybody was asking the questions about Washington.
Speaker 4: You know, how much did they look differently or whatever?
Speaker 4: The seven wins they all against losing teams.
Speaker 2: That's true, so true, that is so true. I knew that.
Speaker 5: So they got you know, and and like I continue
Speaker 5: to say, the Cowboys are still paying the price for
Speaker 5: winning the NFC East without going on in the playoffs
Speaker 5: because of that, But now they're paying the price for
Speaker 5: the first place schedule Washington has. I think the best
Speaker 5: team they played a record wise is Cincinnati now at
Speaker 5: four and six, But I think they were under They
Speaker 5: hadn't won a game when they faced them the second
Speaker 5: or third week of the season.
Speaker 3: It was third week of the season. They beat Cincinnati
Speaker 3: thirty eight thirty.
Speaker 2: Three, So.
Speaker 4: They're taking advantage. What looks different about Washington, Well, sometimes
Speaker 4: it's who you play makes it look different. Now they're
Speaker 4: playing well and they're beating the teams they should be, right, yep,
Speaker 4: just like the cow Now everybody's saying, well, Jade and
Speaker 4: Daniels coming back to Earth well, the two losses played
Speaker 4: against good teams.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's still just a rookie.
Speaker 5: And he's and he's a rookie, but he's playing awfully well.
Speaker 5: But again, you know I heard the talk about, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: they turned the whole thing around because now they've got
Speaker 5: a new owner and a new coach.
Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, that's that's good and they needed it.
Speaker 5: But again, sometimes it comes down to who you get
Speaker 5: to play.
Speaker 4: There are four losses.
Speaker 5: They've beaten the Giants twice, so that's two teams at
Speaker 5: two and eight.
Speaker 4: Do you have their schedule there? No, I got it
Speaker 4: right here.
Speaker 3: Well, and then I was looking at the Cowboys schedule.
Speaker 3: So the Cowboys have done something the Commanders have not
Speaker 3: done this year. They have beaten the winning team Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Of course they did have.
Speaker 2: Right, Hey, that Pittsburgh team can win with anybody at quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, even the Cowboys. Well, they couldn't do it
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: All right, And you look at the Cowboys. How many
Speaker 3: games have the Cowboys lost to a team with a
Speaker 3: losing record?
Speaker 5: New Orleans got six losses to teams that I think
Speaker 5: three or four are in first place.
Speaker 3: I mean we said, we said at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the season, this was the stretch of games. Basically I
Speaker 3: had it starting with Detroit, but really it started with Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: which happened to be a win on the last play
Speaker 3: of the game. But this is a stretch. Detroit, San
Speaker 3: Francisco's now a five hundred team. By the way, Yes,
Speaker 3: at Detroit, San Francisco, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Houston, and now Washington
Speaker 3: six game stretch and sure enough.
Speaker 4: Houston lost five in a row.
Speaker 5: Houston's and first place, Atlanta's in first place, first place.
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, yeh Troit Division.
Speaker 5: Detroit's in first place, Philadelphia, Philadelphia is in first place.
Speaker 3: There's four I thought, and Baltimore is in second. And
Speaker 3: they beat Pittsburgh, which is a first place team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: So and they in San Francisco. Was I think they
Speaker 3: were in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: I think so?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, So you know, everybody's path is differently,
Speaker 5: and the Cowboys haven't handled theirs. Well, Washington's done what
Speaker 5: they needed to do and that's been the difference.
Speaker 3: So what would the Cowboys record be over a five
Speaker 3: game stretch the last five weeks if they were playing
Speaker 3: the Giants Carrol. Okay, Okay, let's go through this play.
Speaker 3: Let's do Washington's schedule the last five weeks and what
Speaker 3: the Cowboys record would be if they had played that schedule. Okay,
Speaker 3: So starting with their last game against Philadelphia, that would
Speaker 3: have been a loss. They played Pittsburgh, but the Cowboys
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had their starting quarterback, so we'll put that
Speaker 3: down as an l Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4: Oh and two Giants beat them.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll find out next week.
Speaker 4: And then again, but they don't have their quarterback.
Speaker 3: So that's one and two.
Speaker 4: Chicago they won on a hail Mary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 3: Well, it was on when did Dak get hurt? It
Speaker 3: was October twenty seventh. That was the same. So would
Speaker 3: they have beaten Chicago if Dak got hurt in the
Speaker 3: third quarter of that game? No, because they wouldn't have
Speaker 3: had a quarterback to thrill the hell Mary at the
Speaker 3: end of game. So, and then Carolina was before that.
Speaker 4: Did you know there are a couple of wins that
Speaker 4: the Cowboys could have had. Do you know that Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones has no desire to start Trey Lance this season?
Speaker 2: Did you ever say that?
Speaker 3: And they're talking about it on the NFL network right now.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've heard him say that.
Speaker 2: I have not heard him say we are such a
Speaker 2: non entity right now. Why are they worried about it?
Speaker 3: They gotta have something about the Cowboys to talk about.
Speaker 2: The Jets just fired their entire team and you know, you.
Speaker 4: Mean they had a general manager that was no good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, man, this is crazy. It's so boring
Speaker 2: talking about the Cowboys. If you're not a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 2: why are you even talking about us right now? We're
Speaker 2: not doing anything.
Speaker 3: We're not doing over your minding our own.
Speaker 2: Mind, own business man, sitting in the corner, just chilling.
Speaker 2: We're in the dark.
Speaker 4: I wonder what they're talking about now.
Speaker 5: It says do you have beef with this type of
Speaker 5: regular season stat?
Speaker 4: They don't say what the stat. I guess you would
Speaker 4: have to listen to.
Speaker 2: I hope it has nothing to do with us.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I just thought i'd throw that out.
Speaker 5: Washington's schedule and how about this, When did Washington last play.
Speaker 4: Thursday Thursday night? When the Cowboys last play Monday?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, there's a big difference.
Speaker 4: And they got to travel.
Speaker 5: Do you think that just kind of they said, Oh,
Speaker 5: the Cowboys won a division, We'll make this a little
Speaker 5: more difficult on them at this point.
Speaker 2: Of the season.
Speaker 3: Have you gone back and looked at who had buyes
Speaker 3: the week before they played the Cowboys? I think San Franci,
Speaker 3: San Francisco, did Detroit, did Detroit. Maybe imagine how those
Speaker 3: games would have turned out if they had.
Speaker 4: Extra week to prepare.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a word Detroit. I am not saying
Speaker 2: how about that?
Speaker 3: When have you seen a team put a like on
Speaker 3: a regular basis? Cowboys beating them fifty two to ten,
Speaker 3: beating teams fifty two to six.
Speaker 2: We were rolling. We were rolling like that too, at
Speaker 2: one point, blowing people that would put forth them on
Speaker 2: the That's right, Yeah, come on, all those plus on
Speaker 2: on the Redskins. I'm sorry, Commanders and Eagle. No, come on,
Speaker 2: that wasn't that longo. It wasn't. Look it up.
Speaker 3: Well, it was either last year or the year before
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 4: Remember they led the league in scoring last year twenty
Speaker 4: nine point.
Speaker 3: This is what the year you're talking about, though, really
Speaker 3: is twenty twenty two. When the Cowboys, in the second
Speaker 3: half of the season beat Chicago. This is wonderful for
Speaker 3: us to just think about it.
Speaker 2: This time. It was so nice. I beat there, so
Speaker 2: arrogant back then, why don't we.
Speaker 3: Beat the Bears forty nine twenty nine? I forget the
Speaker 3: loss at Green Bay. Beat Minnesota forty to three with
Speaker 3: Cooper rushing Rooper, No, Cooper wouldn't.
Speaker 2: No, no, that was dropped the dime to uh, what's
Speaker 2: the running polot?
Speaker 3: And then Giants twenty eight to twenty, beat Indianapolis fifty
Speaker 3: four to nineteen Houston and then beat jackson No lost
Speaker 3: to Jacksonville over time four they scored thirty four Willie
Speaker 3: forty to thirty.
Speaker 2: Four Brown like you can't see.
Speaker 3: But to your point, Mickey, how about last year too?
Speaker 3: Just a year ago the Cowboys were beating the Rams
Speaker 3: forty three to twenty, come the Giants forty nine to seventeen,
Speaker 3: Carolina thirty three to ten, Washington forty five to ten,
Speaker 3: Seattle forty one, thirty five, beat Washington in the last
Speaker 3: game of the season thirty eight to ten, put up
Speaker 3: thirty two on Green Bay in the wild card game.
Speaker 2: Not so much, Hey so Detroit that okay, we were
Speaker 2: doing all of it. We were doing all of this.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think we've we killed it. We killed an
Speaker 3: hour forty nine minutes anyway, really, uh huh, I have
Speaker 3: to go to fifty K.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't have enough to talk about. Listening to
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Speaker 3: All right, Uh he did it from the top rope.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: All right, And we'll be back and we'll really break
Speaker 3: down these Washington commanders tomorrow because it's ever since last
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