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Speaker 2: Let's give this part you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Could you ever imagine, as an NFL fan, or an

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Speaker 3: been played, everybody would sit down and simply buy arbitrary

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Speaker 3: vote decide how your favorite team is ranked, which will

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Speaker 3: decide how your favorite team is perceived, which could decide

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Speaker 3: the entire fate of your season, all based not on

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Speaker 3: a single game, not on a single snap of football,

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Speaker 3: presumption of what it's gonna look like. That sounds asinine,

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Speaker 3: that feels stupid, and it's exactly what. For some reason,

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Speaker 3: college football still gives us every single year. It's two

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Speaker 3: pros and a cup of Joe. He's Buck Rising, I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason Fitz. We're in for the guys on Fox Sports

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Speaker 3: Radio and Buck me a people came out this week. Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm a long since believer that the college football coaches

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Speaker 3: poles should not exist. Coaches that you talk to will

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Speaker 3: tell you they can't watch enough football to vote. In fact,

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Speaker 3: watch all of the top twenty five games before they

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Speaker 3: submit their vote every week? And why are they wasting

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Speaker 3: all of their time as voters just sitting there getting

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Speaker 3: no I gotta take a look at this number twenty

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Speaker 3: UNLV gotta watch that game to see how I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: vote on them. Like, that's not realistic. The Coach's Poll

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Speaker 3: is just it should be non existent at this point.

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Speaker 3: I understand the value of the Associated Press Poll at

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Speaker 3: some point, but I don't under stand the value of

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Speaker 3: the Associated Press Bowl. Today, Texas is the number one

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Speaker 3: team in the country. Based on this presumption that Arch

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Speaker 4: Arch Manning is just going to lead them to the

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Speaker 3: Like the amount of guesses, the amount of sure, the

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Speaker 3: And it does weirdly impact like there just it impacts

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Speaker 4: It impacts the way we think this season's gonna go.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't see any positive that comes from the

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Speaker 3: Texas versus Ohio State, so one versus A three.

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Speaker 5: Well there is that, And so the networks and the

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Speaker 5: places that put these rankings out would also benefit from

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Speaker 5: for example, you know Texas has never been number one

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Speaker 5: I mean, not quite as crazy as Vandy never having

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Speaker 5: because we do we eventually do away with the AP

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Speaker 5: pole or devalue the a peopole when the college football

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Speaker 5: Praise be to the football gods. So while the value

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Speaker 5: But yes, I hear, he's too busy cheating on a

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Speaker 3: There's there's absolutely nothing I wouldn't be trying to put

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Speaker 4: I like it. Look, I get it. I'm not. I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Now I think it's I do.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, I can't bounce back from that one. I

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Speaker 3: College football is my favorite sport to cover, and it

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Speaker 3: that is that fan base is all They all got

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Speaker 3: and you know, very real like watch shows like you

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Speaker 3: know across the ESPN and Fox Sports all day watch

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Speaker 3: Get Up, Right, and during a regular time of the year,

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Speaker 3: is Get Up gonna talk about college football on Tuesday

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Speaker 3: And for the first month and a half of the season,

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Speaker 3: oh man, Tuesday, there's a national media conversation what's the

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Speaker 3: I think that's good for the growth of the sport

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Speaker 3: it is. I've seen the numbers and frankly even at

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Speaker 3: Yahoo where I am now and incredible check out yah

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Speaker 3: Who Sports Daily by the way, Monday through Friday, nine

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Speaker 4: Thank you, No, it's a plug. That's not a fine.

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Speaker 5: It's a plug that you should be fine for, even

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Speaker 5: though it is excellent content that you and Caroline Fenton

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much. I appreciate that compliment.

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Speaker 3: Look, we look at the numbers and college football doesn't

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Speaker 3: So maybe you've changed my mind a little bit, because

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Speaker 3: I just wish there was a way to do that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I get that, but if if there was, we

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Speaker 5: I mean, if it's Pavia is like the preseason poll. Okay,

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Speaker 6: It just seems a bit gentler, and I and I

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Speaker 3: There's something about the environment about college football that to

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Speaker 4: And watching Love Island.

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Speaker 3: It's just gonna be drama that we all expect, and

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Speaker 6: All right? So am I the only person on the show?

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Speaker 6: Love Island or not?

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Speaker 4: I hate that show.

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Speaker 5: I mean, because that's genuinely like a friend of mine,

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Speaker 5: and he just so happens to have made it as

439
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Speaker 5: a very very famous human being in the last like

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Speaker 5: three four years.

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Speaker 3: Look, you you are the one that instituted a fine

442
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Speaker 3: system on this show for name dropping.

443
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Speaker 4: You just said a buddy of mine, jelly roll. You

444
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Speaker 4: didn't have to throw that into the story. You went

445
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Speaker 4: to WWE.

446
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's a necessary part of the story,

447
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Speaker 5: because what the hell would I be doing at a

448
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Speaker 5: WWE match if not for seeing a friend perform.

449
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Speaker 3: You You went with a buddy to WWE, That's all

450
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Speaker 3: you have to say.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean I did.

452
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Speaker 5: I'm not knowing things that its so we cover sporting

453
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Speaker 5: events for a living. I'm not going to anything where

454
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Speaker 5: I can't get some kind of special treatment or access.

455
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Speaker 5: You know, I'd be clumb out. I'm not doing it.

456
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Speaker 5: I'm not doing it with the unwashed masses anymore.

457
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Speaker 3: But okay, number one, when we were on air and

458
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Speaker 3: I mentioned that right after the show, I was going

459
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Speaker 3: to stand on stage with Little Big Town and play

460
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Speaker 3: a song. You find me for that because you said

461
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Speaker 3: that that was me humble bragging.

462
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Speaker 5: Also, I also think I called them the band Perry

463
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Speaker 5: because I don't distinguish between the two.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's there's a substantial difference. Also Number two.

465
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Speaker 3: I went to a WWE event about a year ago

466
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Speaker 3: with a bunch of ESPN friends.

467
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Speaker 4: That's a simple story. See how I can tell that.

468
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Speaker 3: I don't have to sit there and say, oh I

469
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Speaker 3: sat in the front row because Field Yates took me

470
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Speaker 3: because we were going to hang out with Roman Reigns.

471
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Speaker 3: See like, that's where it becomes findable.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Shelly Roll. Oh, now I'm getting this this

473
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Speaker 4: fine system.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a subject to my own fine system. That's

475
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Speaker 6: not how it.

476
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Lee, Lee, Just somebody somewhere on this

477
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: show backed me up. And Buck is the worst and

478
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: deserves just a multitude of fines for this.

479
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Speaker 4: Correct I think it is definitely a finable offense. You

480
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 4: can't be you cannot be like out on your own rules.

481
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. If you find this man,

482
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Speaker 4: he can find you the same. No, no, now, events, I haven't.

483
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Speaker 5: Introduced me to Roll. So he came by the local

484
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Speaker 5: show the other day. He gave some kind of motivational

485
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Speaker 5: speech to the Titans. Titans and wanted to do a

486
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Speaker 5: couple of segments where I ripped his football team because

487
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Speaker 5: I'm routinely telling them how terrible they are. Anyway, Uh

488
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Speaker 5: my point with that is you were telling me that

489
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Speaker 5: WWE has incorporated a lot of people that used to

490
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Speaker 5: work at ESPN as far as the production, right, Like

491
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Speaker 5: they have a lot of college game day people now

492
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Speaker 5: working in the WWE space. Nick Conn, I believe has

493
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Speaker 5: who's was a long time fixture in the in the

494
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Speaker 5: ESPN c AA adjacent world, like the people that put

495
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Speaker 5: these things on, and also the people that put together

496
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Speaker 5: you know, Peyton Manning and Chick fil A and whatever else,

497
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Speaker 5: brand and athletes and all these different things, right, because

498
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Speaker 5: they're all they're all they can all run off the

499
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Speaker 5: same construct. Storytelling in sports matters, storytelling in WWE matters.

500
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Speaker 5: Storytelling and soap operas matter. It's all some version of

501
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 5: the same thing. So why shouldn't it take on more

502
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Speaker 5: of a WWE role or WWE style, because I think

503
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Speaker 5: that engages more people. It's a successful formulat WWE is

504
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Speaker 5: a billion dollar business, a billion dollar business, and it's

505
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Speaker 5: it's I mean, as is the world of college football,

506
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Speaker 5: and the NFL is just trying to get into God knows,

507
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Speaker 5: they're trying to get into the trillions with the deals

508
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Speaker 5: that they're doing, because it doesn't seem like the NFL

509
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Speaker 5: is competing with the NBA or Major League Baseball anymore.

510
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Speaker 5: It feels like they're competing with Apple and Netflix and

511
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Speaker 5: everybody else with some of the some of the media

512
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Speaker 5: deals that they've done of late, and incorporating private equity

513
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Speaker 5: and all these different things that people don't really care about.

514
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Speaker 5: They just want to know where to get their football

515
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Speaker 5: and who their football team's playing on any given weekend.

516
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Speaker 5: But yeah, I love the element of the drama for

517
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Speaker 5: the same reason that we all do, because it just

518
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Speaker 5: makes that much more compelling. What the hell else is

519
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Speaker 5: supposed to get people interested in a Cardinals you know, Cardinals?

520
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Speaker 5: What's another Cardinals Jags Week fifteen game in the middle

521
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Speaker 5: of the NFL regular season if you can't squeeze some

522
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Speaker 5: additional drama out of it or storytelling out of it,

523
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Speaker 5: because otherwise, I mean, for what you're gonna you're talking

524
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Speaker 5: about an undersized quarterback who likes to play call of

525
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Speaker 5: duty instead of studying his playbook.

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Speaker 3: There is I mean, allegedly there is some element of

527
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Speaker 3: all of this. I mean, we just saw with the

528
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Speaker 3: NBA schedule release. The NBA tried desperately throughout the course

529
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Speaker 3: of the schedule release to you know, at least give

530
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Speaker 3: us some hype, give us some reason to get really excited, and.

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Speaker 6: Happened recently because that was not even remotely on my radar.

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Speaker 3: Well, and see that that's the point, right, Like, no,

533
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Speaker 3: this week, they've given us the Christmas Day games and

534
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Speaker 3: the Opening Day games, and they're trying to.

535
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Speaker 4: Do the NFL thing.

536
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Speaker 3: And I think what's wildly disappointing about that for basketball

537
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Speaker 3: lovers in general, is that they did all of these

538
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Speaker 3: things during the middle of the NFL preseason and still

539
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: couldn't get traction. And in fact, with the new TV

540
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Speaker 3: deals that they have in place coming in, there's gonna

541
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Speaker 3: be NBA games on I think every day of the

542
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Speaker 3: week now the way they're splitting it out to all

543
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Speaker 3: of their different providers, and you know, they've given us

544
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Speaker 3: their slate of national games and they're trying to get

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Speaker 3: everybody super excited.

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Speaker 4: They announced how.

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Speaker 3: Many games the Lakers that you get on national TV,

548
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Speaker 3: all of these things.

549
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Speaker 4: And nobody cared.

550
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Speaker 3: And so it is this weird like there's a weird

551
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Speaker 3: balance here of selling the sizzle that leads up to everything,

552
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Speaker 3: but then also having a.

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Speaker 4: Product that backs it up.

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Speaker 3: College football has given us some particularly dramatic results over

555
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Speaker 3: the course. Like over the course of a season, you

556
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Speaker 3: get enough upsets, you get in just enough change. Like

557
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Speaker 3: we talk so much about the wild change in college

558
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Speaker 3: football of NIL and the transfer portal and blah blah

559
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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Well, look at the top ten teams.

560
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Speaker 3: In the top ten teams are still Texas, Ohio State,

561
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Speaker 3: Penn State, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia. Like it's the usual brands,

562
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Speaker 3: the usual names. But because of the NIL transfer portal

563
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: and all the controversy around it, even though we're getting

564
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Speaker 3: the usual brands, it doesn't feel like it's a foregone

565
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Speaker 3: conclusion and it's still feels sexy.

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Speaker 4: So it's the perfect.

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Speaker 3: Blend of, Hey, you're getting the most important commercial brands,

568
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Speaker 3: you're getting the best stories out of it, and there's

569
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Speaker 3: going to be enough chaos that that's how you win.

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Speaker 3: Like I think what is dumbfounding for me sometimes is

571
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Speaker 3: the NFL always talks about parody, parity, parody, and you

572
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Speaker 3: and I've talked about this before, but parody doesn't really

573
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Speaker 3: exist in the NFL get you can get to mediocrity,

574
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Speaker 3: So yeah, you can sort of. You're supposed to be

575
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Speaker 3: able to get from really bad to mediocre. But if

576
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Speaker 3: we're being honest, the teams that have sucked for the

577
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Speaker 3: last twenty years have mostly sucked for the last twenty years,

578
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Speaker 3: and the NFL has been dominated by one team at

579
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Speaker 3: a time in every stinking generation.

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Speaker 4: So it's funny that the league that.

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Speaker 3: Taken the world by storm they can get two point

582
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Speaker 3: two million viewers for a Shad Or Sanders preseason game

583
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Speaker 3: on the NFL network, is the one that's actually kind

584
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Speaker 3: of the easiest to predict.

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Speaker 6: You know.

586
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Speaker 5: That's that's such smart marketing by the NFL to just

587
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 5: keep using the word parody over and over and over again,

588
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 5: to convince us that mediocre is actually parody.

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00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 6: Why there there.

590
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 5: Are so many reasons why the NFL is as successful

591
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: as it is, But that that thought had not occurred

592
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Speaker 5: to me until until you just remove the scales from

593
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Speaker 5: my from my eyes fits a you know, famously, I'm

594
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 5: i'm I'm I'm too optimistic about professional football to to.

595
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 6: What's the word that I'm looking for? Willing to overlook?

596
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, the the the bumps and bruises, the ugliness,

597
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 5: the warts of professional football because it is America's favorite sport.

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Speaker 6: I say that, of course, tongue in cheek, but like.

599
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: But that's like, that's one of the smartest things that

600
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 5: they ever did, just to keep saying that word to

601
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 5: the point where we all start to believe them.

602
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Speaker 3: We got the Chiefs in yet another Super Bowl, which

603
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: is continuing. They lost it, fine, but it's continuing in

604
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: a period of dominance, which is what we had before

605
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Speaker 3: that with the Patriots, and what we had before that

606
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Speaker 3: with the Cowboys and the forty nine ers.

607
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Speaker 4: It just keeps going back and back and back.

608
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Speaker 3: Every era has had a dominant team. Also, let's not

609
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: forget my friend. Last year, what a dozen teams lost

610
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: more than ten games. I mean a dozen teams.

611
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Speaker 6: I know I covered one of them.

612
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: Awful, awful, We're awful.

613
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Speaker 3: And we're sitting here now this year saying, well, I

614
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Speaker 3: can't wait for football season.

615
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Speaker 4: Everybody has a chance, No they don't. Like everybody does

616
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 4: not have a chance for the.

617
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Speaker 3: Most part, more often than not, the Raiders, the Jets,

618
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: the Browns, the Titans. You can go up and down

619
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Speaker 3: the list. The group of teams that have sucked for

620
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: the last twenty years are probably gonna suck again. And

621
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Speaker 3: then there's gonna be a whole bunch of people in

622
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Speaker 3: the middle class that are competing somewhere between eight and

623
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Speaker 3: nine and in ten and seven, and they're all going

624
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: to be competing for these playoff spots, and we'll convince

625
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: ourselves that that's really parody. And at the end of

626
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: it all, we're probably gonna end up with a Final

627
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Speaker 3: four that still includes Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, some version

628
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: of that, and in the NFC, we're likely to still

629
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: have the Eagles and the Lions. In that conversation, there's

630
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: very little unknown in the NFL this year compared to

631
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: a lot of years, and we still talk about the

632
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: league like they have just championed the ability for anybody

633
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: to go. Somebody will go from worse to first, where

634
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: they'll be eliminated in the first round the playoffs.

635
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Speaker 4: And nobody will give it him.

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Speaker 6: I do think that it was.

637
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: More visceral last season, though, because like, the haves have

638
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: never looked better and the have nots have never looked worse.

639
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Speaker 6: I mean, so.

640
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 5: Many wretched teams to where I mean seven weeks, eight

641
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 5: weeks into the NFL regular season, you're still usually if

642
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: you're covering or if you're interested in watching the league

643
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: as a whole, you're you're still having to pay at

644
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 5: least some attention to all of these teams across the board.

645
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: Like you can't just start to ignore teams at the

646
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 5: halfway point of the season, Whereas I mean, and again,

647
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Speaker 5: mine is a very specific lens here because I'm a

648
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: beat reporter for a one of those particularly wretched teams,

649
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Speaker 5: like FITZI the Titan season was over in the third week,

650
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: in week three, it was done last year, So like,

651
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 5: what what do you do with a team like that?

652
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 5: Where fans spend all this time getting themselves ready, getting

653
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 5: themselves into the mindset by drinking the kool aid that

654
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 5: the NFL is selling them all for Will Levis to

655
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Speaker 5: fart out an interception and out the you know, out

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Speaker 5: out to the side to a trailing Bears defensive back

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Speaker 5: to literally throw away a game and end their season.

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Speaker 6: Before it really ever begins. It's craziness.

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Speaker 3: That's what the wildest part of the NFL is that

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Speaker 3: it is the most functional relationship in most of our lives.

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Speaker 3: Like when this season ended, it's just like the day

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Speaker 3: you broke up with well yeah, now, but hear me out.

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Speaker 3: You'll believe me. You will understand this when the season ends. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you have the most real it's the day you broke

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Speaker 3: up with her. You understand that she's crazy and you

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Speaker 3: want nothing to do with her. And then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, you get about a month out and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I miss her a little bit. That's

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Speaker 3: the scouting combine and you're like, oh, you know, it

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Speaker 3: wasn't all bad. That is that's gonna get us a

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Speaker 3: straight to free agency. And then that's that's you seeing

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Speaker 3: some pictures on Instagram and you're like, oh man, you know, god,

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Speaker 3: I kind of I kind of miss I miss a

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Speaker 3: little of this, like it wasn't bad. And then all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, you see more pictures. You see she's

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Speaker 3: out somewhere you guys used to go to with the friends,

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Speaker 3: and she's hanging out and that that's the draft and

678
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Speaker 3: you're like, oh my god, no, like we had good times.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you're forgetting the crazy and you're

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Speaker 3: right back to the good times. And you're sitting there

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Speaker 3: in your house and you're you're doom scrolling. You're going

682
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Speaker 3: back watching some of the highlights from last year. Your

683
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: doom scrolling, you're like, this is better. You get to

684
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Speaker 3: the like the OTAs, and that's when it's you know what,

685
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Speaker 3: I really it's not as much fun without her, because

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Speaker 3: now you're in the summer, and now you're in the

687
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Speaker 3: summer and you want to you want to have your

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Speaker 3: boo back. That's favorite football team, and all of a

689
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Speaker 3: sudden you're getting just a little bit farther from it.

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Speaker 3: By the time you get back to it, now you've

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Speaker 3: just all your friends are like, dude, don't do it.

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Speaker 3: She's crazy. That's all your friends right now in the

693
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: football Like my friends are looking at me, they're like,

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Speaker 3: don't do it, man, don't fall for this Raiders thing again.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, this is gonna be the year. Man,

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Speaker 4: She's not going to be crazy. And then you're gonna go.

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00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: Out on like two or three dates and you're gonna realize, well,

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Speaker 3: now we did all this work, we got back together.

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Speaker 4: She's still crazy. But I gotta wait it out. I

700
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: gotta get through it. And that's the whole NFL season.

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Speaker 3: That is what most of us are about to hear

702
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: the NFL is a dysfunctional, abusive relationship.

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Speaker 6: My god, does that hit home? I can't.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I've never related to anything that you've

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Speaker 5: said more in my entire life.

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Speaker 3: That is that is why we all fall back in love.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing in it. Today you're convinced she's

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00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: not crazy. Come see me in a month when you

709
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 3: realize she's crazy again. And then in six months when

710
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: you guys break up again, and then is your friend.

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Speaker 3: I'll sit here and say, hey, I got your back.

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00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 3: I know you're gonna do this exact same cycle in

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Speaker 3: just a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: He's about anything.

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Speaker 5: More about my relations This sounds toxic, guys, this sounds

716
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Speaker 5: real toxic. I right off, you could not pick two

717
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Speaker 5: better equipped people to have this particular conference.

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Speaker 4: Oh God, all right, where you are?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 6: You up?

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Speaker 3: That's an excellent WEEKNT Rising Jason Fitz We're filling in

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Speaker 3: for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.

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Speaker 4: We'll keep the fun going on Fox Sports Radio next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

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Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three Am Pacific.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with trying to manifest things into existence,

728
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Speaker 5: and that's exactly what this year's number one overall pick

729
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Speaker 5: in the NFL Draft is trying to do. Welcome Back,

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Speaker 5: It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe here on

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Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 6: And unfortunately for the rest of.

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Speaker 5: You, you're stuck with me for this final segment because

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Speaker 5: FITZI speaking of finable offenses, FITZI thinks he has bigger

735
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: and better things to do then finish out the last

736
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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, Lorena, no respect.

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Speaker 6: We get no respect around him.

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Speaker 5: Team No, No, I've never been accused of being a

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Speaker 5: team player in my life.

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Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you on that.

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Speaker 5: But FITZI has tried. In fact, FITZI is a far

742
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Speaker 5: better team player than I am. But it is appropriate

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Speaker 5: that now I would create even further of a toxic

744
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Speaker 5: culture in this relationship and try and take shots at

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Speaker 5: him while he's on his way out the door. By

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Speaker 5: the way, if you missed any of today's show, you'll

747
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Speaker 5: catch the podcast, or you'll want to catch the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Just search Two Pros and a Cup of Joe wherever

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Speaker 5: you get your podcast. Right after the show, the podcast

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Speaker 5: will be posted, so be sure to follow along. Rate

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Speaker 5: just search two Pros and a Cup of Joe wherever

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Speaker 5: you get your podcast, and you'll find today's full show

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Speaker 5: and even a best of version posted right at the

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Speaker 5: end of today's broadcast.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure what would consist of a best of.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much best of we actually did today,

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Speaker 5: but that's all well and good. We'll finish strong this morning.

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Speaker 5: Hell Y is right. So preseason football is on our

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Speaker 5: televisions again tonight.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Atlanta. I cover the Tennessee Titans, and.

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Speaker 5: As a part of that is bad football, a lot

763
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 5: of bad football in the state of Tennessee of late.

764
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Speaker 5: But you know, as a result, they earn worse than Stink.

765
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Speaker 5: I've said many worse things about them than Stink. But

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: they earned the right to draft the number one overall

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00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 5: pick this year. And cam Ward is very unassuming, very

768
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 5: not discussed. I think he's spectacularly boring. I think he's

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00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: exactly the kind of player that you want for a

770
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 5: dysfunctional franchise or a franchise that lacks direction and you

771
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 5: want to see that kind of person succeed. But he

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 5: said something this week while we have been down here

773
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Speaker 5: in the midst of a ten day road trip with

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Speaker 5: joint training camp practices with the Atlanta Falcons ahead of

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Speaker 5: their preseason game later this evening, and he gave a

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Speaker 5: press conference at the end of the joint training camp

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00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 5: practices in which they just definitively looked like the worst

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Speaker 5: team against a team that's not exactly world beaters. Nobody's

779
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Speaker 5: looking at the Atlanta Falcons this year as Super Bowl contenders,

780
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Speaker 5: and yet they were the better team on the field

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Speaker 5: for two days. So what on earth is cam Ward

782
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 5: referencing here when he's talking about a top ten offense

783
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 5: and a top five wide receiver corp can I hear

784
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Speaker 5: from this year's number one overall pick please?

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Speaker 7: I think also have a top five receiver court in

786
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 7: the NFL. Include the young guys we're able to make plays.

787
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 7: It's really all about just us or myself putting the

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Speaker 7: ball in their frame of word, letting them make a play.

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Speaker 7: And then as also those guys being aggressive to make

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Speaker 7: plays for the team.

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Speaker 5: Lorena Lee, I leave this to you. When you hear

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Speaker 5: cam Ward utter that or say those words, can you

793
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: name me a Titans wide receiver?

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley? Okay, I can't do anything for you. Trailing Burks,

795
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Speaker 4: But isn't he injured?

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00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, perpetually?

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Speaker 4: And Westbrook? But does he have one of those hyphenated names.

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Speaker 6: No, he plays for the Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, see that?

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Speaker 3: And then I know they got some rookie who's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be good, but I couldn't tell you his name

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00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: if you put a gun to my head.

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Speaker 6: They've got two of them.

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Speaker 5: They're both were picked in the fourth round him Ray

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Speaker 5: DK and Eleck iyaman Or. I don't think you would

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00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 5: have gotten those names even if you were the biggest

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Speaker 5: draft knick.

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Speaker 6: But that's who we're talking about here. Okay.

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Speaker 5: Now people are going to hear that and make it

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Speaker 5: an easy conversation to have.

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Speaker 6: Around well, what the hell is he talking about?

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Speaker 5: This guy doesn't know anything, and it's going to be

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00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 5: an easy punchline to have. But the thing that I

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Speaker 5: love about that clip is the fact that he's talking

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Speaker 5: about It's not necessarily I mean, it is a support

816
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 5: for his guys, or words of support for his guys,

817
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 5: but he's talking about his belief and self and the

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00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: idea that We're very quick to make that a laughing

819
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: or something to laugh at, to point and laugh at

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00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: just because they are a bad football team and they

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Speaker 5: don't expect to be much.

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Speaker 6: Better in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: I think that's exactly the kind of personality type that

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Speaker 5: any franchise would kill for. He's trying to inspire. This

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00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 5: is something. This is a franchise that has been wretched.

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Speaker 5: You can talk about the teams that are picking at

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Speaker 5: the top of the draft. The Cleveland Browns have a

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Speaker 5: fan base that is passionate, that is loyal, but is

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Speaker 5: a bit broken in the amount of trauma that they've

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Speaker 5: had to survive, so much so that they're willing to

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Speaker 5: place an inordinate amount of his on his own roster

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Speaker 5: just because they're looking for any shred of hope anywhere.

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Speaker 5: The idea that these guys are coming into the NFL

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Speaker 5: manifesting or trying to manifest these things into existence is

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Speaker 5: a redeeming quality, not something to be mocked. I got

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Speaker 5: no problem with a quarterback who is interested in inspiring

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00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 5: as opposed to submitting. They are conditioned their entire lives

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Speaker 5: to come in here and think that they are going

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Speaker 5: to be the thing that helps turn broken franchises around.

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Speaker 6: So, whether it be cam Ward or.

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Speaker 5: Jackson Dart or Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders, any of these

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00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: guys who are talking as if they don't because they

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00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 5: don't come with the baggage of all of the bad

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Speaker 5: football that came before them. I'm so fascinated to see

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Speaker 5: how these guys, this particular class of rookie quarterbacks goes

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00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 5: through the rest of their careers and preseason the value

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Speaker 5: of it. How much can we learn from fifteen snaps here,

848
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 5: a quarter or two there. It's very, very granular type

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00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 5: stuff that's more for the coaching staffs than it is

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00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: for the fans or the media who's not privy to

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00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 5: the meeting rooms to see all the different ways that

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Speaker 5: they're trying to implement this stuff. But it's just good

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Speaker 5: to have football back at our lives. And I'm so

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Speaker 5: looking forward to covering a preseason game tonight, which is

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Speaker 5: a disgusting way to exist. And I know that you

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Speaker 5: can continue to hear all about it here on Fox

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Speaker 5: Sports Radio. We appreciate you hanging out with us this morning.

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Speaker 5: Stay tuned