WEBVTT - Are robots alive?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff from the Science Lab from how stuff

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<v Speaker 1>works dot com. Hey guys, this is Alice not Am

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<v Speaker 1>with the science editor at how stuff works dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Robert Lamb's science writer at how stuff works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. And uh, this podcast, we're talking about robots

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're not there alive? Yeah, big question? Are

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<v Speaker 1>robots alive? So you just got into this question when

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote the similarly named article for Discovery News, right, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been doing a bunch of these big questions for

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<v Speaker 1>Discovery News. Um, and we've been doing some big questions

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<v Speaker 1>for How stuff Works as well. Just you know, our

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<v Speaker 1>robots alive? Um. You know what are some other ones

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<v Speaker 1>Strickland wrote about it too. Yeah, Strickland wrote one about

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<v Speaker 1>robot consciousness and all, and it's a very related issue.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to get in as much into consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>but deal more of with definitions of life and how

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<v Speaker 1>robots may or may not meet that criteria. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, there are quite a few definitions

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<v Speaker 1>of life out there, So let's get onto one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more scientific definitions of life, and that is one

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<v Speaker 1>in which proteins and nucleic acids interacting ways that allow

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<v Speaker 1>a structure to grow and reproduce. Yeah, I think pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obvious robots is not going to meet that particular criteria, right, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a that this is definitely um describing life,

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<v Speaker 1>defining life as organic um in a very particular manner

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<v Speaker 1>that applies to us, definitely, So so no go on

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<v Speaker 1>robots for that one. However, there's another definition that life

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<v Speaker 1>is a system that's capable of Darwinian evolution, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>To meet this criteria, robot would have to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to reproduce and make more of itself, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>also need a source of variation, so right, so that

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<v Speaker 1>all of the new generation wouldn't be identical to the

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<v Speaker 1>previous and that all the sub links would be varied

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So then natural selection could take place because

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<v Speaker 1>when obviously when humans reproduce or or or any animal, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not creating exact um you know, replicants of themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and that creating clones. They're creating variations. And the whole ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole idea is that that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to create a lot of different variations on this successful model,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see if an even more successful model will

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<v Speaker 1>come out of it, or if there's a variation that

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<v Speaker 1>will be more adapt for the you know, for the

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<v Speaker 1>current situation, right mutation as the spice of life exactly. So, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can robots do that. A couple of people have

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<v Speaker 1>taken a shot at this, right Yeah. Yeah, the more

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<v Speaker 1>more than a couple. But there are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>that are that are rather interesting to look at. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a Cornell team that built they built this robot, and

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<v Speaker 1>these are robots. This particular robot especially is one that

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<v Speaker 1>was designed only to replicate itself in a very simple manner,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not it's not like it's doing other things

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<v Speaker 1>and then on the side it's making more of itself. Um. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>this one is made up of a series of modular cubes,

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<v Speaker 1>and each cube has all the like you know. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like a block robot. Imagine little little

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<v Speaker 1>cubes and all in the cubes contain the robotics, if

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<v Speaker 1>you will. This is no crepf right, and it sort

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<v Speaker 1>of builds itself out of these blocks, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>can build another of itself out of other blocks. But

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<v Speaker 1>the blocks are already built. But it's it's so it's

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<v Speaker 1>very rudimentory. Right, So there's that one and there's the

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<v Speaker 1>English guys right out of the University of Bath. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it called rep wrap, which I like a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's short for replicating rapid prototyper. So with this

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<v Speaker 1>particular bot is concerned with, is it prints out these

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<v Speaker 1>thin layers of molten biodegradable plastic and those layers can

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<v Speaker 1>then be used to create its own three D parts.

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<v Speaker 1>It can also make sandals, no way. Yeah, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>had like it's it's basically yeah, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like almost like a router, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>making little shape fils for for humans. Yeah, are you serious? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like basically it's like I said, these are very

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<v Speaker 1>simple robots. It's kind of you know, it's just making

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable thing that it can make it well anyway, like

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<v Speaker 1>these are just the baby steps towards you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the very sci fi ideas that you might

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<v Speaker 1>see and say Stanislaw Limbs The Invisible or Philip K.

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<v Speaker 1>Dick's Second Variety, you know, or um, I guess Terminators

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<v Speaker 1>were Terminator um movie nine, you know who? You have

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<v Speaker 1>robots that are making more of themselves. You know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is how it begins, except hopefully it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>end quite as dismally. Yeah. So, one interesting question that

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<v Speaker 1>came up when you're researching this was the question of

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<v Speaker 1>whether computer viruses are alive. Yeah. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>make the argument that they are UM, including Stephen Hawking.

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<v Speaker 1>But remember, yeah, and I'm one of those documentaries that

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<v Speaker 1>are getting so much media coverage right now on Discovery

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<v Speaker 1>Channel Into the Universe. Yeah, for the web presence for it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, our computer viruses alive. Well. One thing to

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind is that y ular viruses are tricky

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<v Speaker 1>enough to define um depending on who you ask. That

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<v Speaker 1>kind of occupy a gray area the viruses and again

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<v Speaker 1>with these organic viruses, like most of the internal structure

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<v Speaker 1>and machinery that characterize many definitions of life, including the

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<v Speaker 1>biosynthetic machinery that is necessary for reproduction. In order for

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<v Speaker 1>a virus to replicate, it has to infect a host cell.

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<v Speaker 1>But computer viruses, on the other end, have this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of partially automated ability to reproduce. But the virus itself,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an important distinction, is not the agent of reproduction.

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<v Speaker 1>The computer is. Yeah, I ran across a great analogy

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<v Speaker 1>for this, uh in Eugene HS. Stafford's Computer Viruses as

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<v Speaker 1>Artificial Life, which is a great read. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>it online and pdf form. Yeah, he points out that

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<v Speaker 1>the virus is not the agent of reproduction, the computer is.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, so if he argues in this that or

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<v Speaker 1>he makes the analogy. So so yeah, he uh, he

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<v Speaker 1>makes the analogy that if if that is life, then

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<v Speaker 1>printed out prints of a for a Xerox machine or life, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a big stack of papers that have all the

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<v Speaker 1>plans for the zero Well, okay, so I I give

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<v Speaker 1>that these plans to you, right, and then you could

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<v Speaker 1>technically use those plans to make a Xerox machine correct,

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<v Speaker 1>And then you could take those plans put them through

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<v Speaker 1>the Xerox machine, and then you have a new copy

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<v Speaker 1>and a replica of the Then you have two stacks

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<v Speaker 1>of Xerox plans, Stack A and Stack B, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you could take Stack B and I could read them,

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<v Speaker 1>build a Xerox machine and then run Stack B through

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<v Speaker 1>the zero new Xerox machine and create Stack C. That's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. Yeah, but you know so, But obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>stack of papers just to stack of paper with information

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<v Speaker 1>on them, so, so I found that particularly interesting. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the other question would be can a computer virus evolve? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>That's another problem. According to Stafford, While a complex computer

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<v Speaker 1>virus might be able to adapt and evolve, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he argues that this kind of virus would be larger

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<v Speaker 1>than most host programs and possibly larger than the host

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<v Speaker 1>system as well. Um, virus is out there and on

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. They do evolve, but generally, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that there's an author out there who is who

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<v Speaker 1>tweaks them and uh, and it makes them adapt m

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<v Speaker 1>so that they can, you know, better, screw with your browser. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So then if you if you look at it that way,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't necessarily call it computer virus alive, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>the agent of change here is, you know, some guy

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<v Speaker 1>in Korea on a PC putting Korean there. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought there seems like there was a big story where

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<v Speaker 1>they were certain they were like, I mean, they're everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>saying that all computer virus authors are in Korea by

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<v Speaker 1>any means. So let's let's talk about the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>automatons and actual robots. Um. Yeah, this is something important

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<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind and something that came out of

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation I had with Idaho National Laboratory roboticist Derek Wadsworth. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that you, on one hand, you have an

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<v Speaker 1>automaton and this is like a mechanical manipulator on the

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle assembly line. Right. Have you seen some of the

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of the robots on vehicle assembly lines are pretty amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not only seen pictures, I've seen moving pictures of them. Excellent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I seetimes. They used to show them on Sesame Street,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't they. I've never seen that. You've never seen Sesame Street. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a particular part of the robot version

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<v Speaker 1>of Sesame Street. It's just auto assembly line machines. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay. So they have the ability, these robot arms

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<v Speaker 1>that are putting together cars, they have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>sense and act um like a vehicle frame advances on

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<v Speaker 1>a conveyor belt, the manipulator since is its presence and

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<v Speaker 1>then installs a windshield. A true robot applies an extra

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<v Speaker 1>step in this process, and that's reason. It analyzes the

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<v Speaker 1>sense data and then acts based on its computations. And

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<v Speaker 1>the cool thing is that is humans we have those capabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>so and everything we do. We're constantly processing our environment

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<v Speaker 1>where you know, smelling what's cooking, analyzing um, what that

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<v Speaker 1>smell means to us, and then we're producing an action.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're going to the kitchen to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sniff out an extra donut that somebody left in the

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<v Speaker 1>break room. Yeah, but that's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many little bits of since data that we

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed and we don't even realize we're absorbing them and

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, it's it's happening subconsciously. And then where

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<v Speaker 1>we're computing that with like past life experiences, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of which may you know a lot of data

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<v Speaker 1>from the past, et cetera. Gets it gets so complicated

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not even aware of most of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So to apply this to robots according to Watts, where

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<v Speaker 1>if they're alive in the sense that, yes, some robots

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<v Speaker 1>do in fact have the abilities to sense, reason and act.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd say I'd score one point for robots being alive. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds pretty good. In fact, one of the robots

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<v Speaker 1>that you can make a case for being alive actually

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<v Speaker 1>lives in my house and probably a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of listeners have I'm so jealous of this. I

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<v Speaker 1>totally want to remove although I just got a really, really,

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<v Speaker 1>really great vacuum, which I'm very excited about. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>who's the who's the agent of vacuuming in in that scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, I am the Asian vacuuming those kids. Give

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<v Speaker 1>those those kids to work vacuuming, and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>let them touch money vacuum. We'll see that. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>great thing about the room. But it's the room. But

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<v Speaker 1>is vacuuming obviously, And it's not just it's easy. If

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<v Speaker 1>you if you've never played with one of these before, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's it's it's great because it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>bouncing off the walls and just randomly vacuating the whole house.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's um you know, it's actually measuring, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where it is. It's it's reacting to the environment

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<v Speaker 1>and and like creating this map of where things are,

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<v Speaker 1>UM so that the next time it comes into your

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and remembers that, oh gosh, the trash can is

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<v Speaker 1>situated in the corner. And I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>in this direction. Well, I'm not sure about the more

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<v Speaker 1>advanced models. Another one we have it. It's like it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like each time you turn it on, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a new learning experience. But during that run,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll you know, it'll get smarter as it goes. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>how does your cat feel about They don't get along

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<v Speaker 1>all that? Well, they don't hate each other, but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to hang out. Um, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the room, bob, you know, it's you still

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<v Speaker 1>have to actually clean it and things like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that's the thing the problem. Some people get the

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<v Speaker 1>room and they're light. You're like, hooray, I never have

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<v Speaker 1>to mess with a vacuum cleaner again. And that's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and actually need to clean it out. Um. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>ask you a personal question? Go for it? How often

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<v Speaker 1>do you vacuum? Um? Or you or your partner? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we turn on the room, but I don't know, maybe once.

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<v Speaker 1>So it depends on the room. And the cat actually

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<v Speaker 1>plays a big role in this because there's like one

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<v Speaker 1>carpet that the cat likes to to roll around on

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<v Speaker 1>and so she sheds a lot on that carpet. So

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<v Speaker 1>then the room but has to go in and suck

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<v Speaker 1>up all the hair. So actually the cat in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really have a very close relationship in that sense. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the big thing to keep in mind with with any

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<v Speaker 1>room but though is don't let it taste human blood,

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<v Speaker 1>because then it's then it's all over. They become man

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<v Speaker 1>killers and they have to be put down. But then, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point is that you can make a very

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<v Speaker 1>good argument that the room but is alive. It's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it gets to what it's expecting a wall, it's

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<v Speaker 1>expecting some some sort of obstacle in the way, and

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<v Speaker 1>it forms the map of the room so it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>need to run into those objects anymore. So again, in

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<v Speaker 1>the automanton robot division, it's it's all about defining what

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<v Speaker 1>is a robot. And you know earlier we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>what is life. There are other there are other robotists

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<v Speaker 1>who go as far as to say, hey, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>technically are cars or robots? You know, they have all

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<v Speaker 1>these different integrated computer systems I think upwards like a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen in some of the price here automobiles. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you're driving, but my car does not

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<v Speaker 1>qualify for that category. Really, Yeah, my CD player doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even work. It's busted. But but here's the thing. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think your car is alive? I don't really think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as such, although I did give it a name. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>would you name your car M Francis for see you

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<v Speaker 1>see your car? Then in a since your car is

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<v Speaker 1>more alive in my car, which has no name, mine's

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<v Speaker 1>just the car. I can't I generally can't even remember

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<v Speaker 1>what make a model it is much. I know what

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<v Speaker 1>makes a model it is? Yeah, yeah, mine cool? Because

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<v Speaker 1>we used to park at that same mortestation. Oh did we?

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<v Speaker 1>And you were coming in like messing with my car? No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I would never do that. Well not, and that's your

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<v Speaker 1>car at least. But but but I actually underlined something

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<v Speaker 1>important about the whole issue of like robots and whether

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<v Speaker 1>they're alive or not. I mean, a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to our It comes on to our perception

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the times. You know, it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>more robots seems to be alive, the more you know

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<v Speaker 1>it is alive, at least to us. But then that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of our failings as human. Like you draw

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<v Speaker 1>anything that kind of looks like a smiley face, and

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<v Speaker 1>we instantly begin to yeah, we anthro morpie. Everything that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>we do. So what what what mean for for robots

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<v Speaker 1>if they reach the point where they are definitely alive? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they have rights? Yeah? Do they have rights? Can

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<v Speaker 1>they marry? Um? I read an interesting argument about whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not it's a good idea to send them off

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<v Speaker 1>into space, because self replicating intelligent robots would be great

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<v Speaker 1>for exploring the universe. You know, just send them out,

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<v Speaker 1>let them harvest new resources as they go. But is

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<v Speaker 1>that ethical to send an army of robots to another

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to just an exoplanet to eat it and

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<v Speaker 1>make more of themselves. Right, we know already that robots

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<v Speaker 1>gets some of the less attractive jobs. Let's say, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like at my house, like I get to do the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the cool things like move things into the attic. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I assume you're not down on the floor. Second up

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<v Speaker 1>cat hair. Yeah, I mean that's the whole thing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a robot, we don't have to vacuum anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, or even in the case of the

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<v Speaker 1>recent oil spill that's messing with the Gulf coast right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's the first thing people say, Well, sending

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<v Speaker 1>the robots to see if they can set off or

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<v Speaker 1>turn off that massive week. I'm kidding. I think robots

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<v Speaker 1>should obviously do a lot of these crazy job ups

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<v Speaker 1>and we shouldn't put humans at risk, but they do

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of really bad jobs. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a great moment on a Futurama where Bender the

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<v Speaker 1>right here for watch Futurama. Yeah, Bender the robot. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets all up in arms when somebody at a

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<v Speaker 1>ballgame like breaks a beer bottle and like a little

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<v Speaker 1>robot comes up and cleans it out, cleans it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's and he makes a big outcry about all

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<v Speaker 1>I look at and they're not not the human child

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<v Speaker 1>who has to clean up the mess. It's true. We

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<v Speaker 1>put the robots to work, and if they end up

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<v Speaker 1>with rights someday, then you know, maybe they'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>uh have to have some robotic from an in action.

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