WEBVTT - From the Vault: Pacific Navigation, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and today

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<v Speaker 1>we have an episode from the vault for you. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part two of our series on Pacific Island navigation.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode originally aired July. Let's dive right in Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and we're back with

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<v Speaker 1>part two. In the last episode, we talked about the settlement,

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<v Speaker 1>the original colonization of the Pacific Islands, and today we're

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<v Speaker 1>back to talk about some documentation of the amazing navigation

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<v Speaker 1>techniques used by the master navigators of various Pacific islands.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm really excited to talk about this stuff today

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been reading this big, very important book on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject that was published in nineteen seventy two by

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<v Speaker 1>an author named David Lewis, called We the Navigators that

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<v Speaker 1>involves extensive interviews with and then direct sailing and firsthand

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<v Speaker 1>observation of the navigation techniques of master navigators from the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Islands. For example, a man named Tevak of the

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Cruz Reef Islands and a man named hip Or

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<v Speaker 1>of Poula Watt in the Carolines. And today we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about some of these specific navigation techniques. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and again these are the techniques of environmental navigation, so

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<v Speaker 1>navigation at sea on the open sea, conducted without instruments.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I mean that's ultimately the really amazing part

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<v Speaker 1>of this. But then at the same same time, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to stress something we've mentioned in the first episode

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<v Speaker 1>that this is also not based in sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>gut instinct, a kind of well I've been at sea enough,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of know what I'm doing. No, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a this is a science. This is this is these

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<v Speaker 1>are techniques that would have that were passed down from

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<v Speaker 1>generation to generation, from skilled individual to two skilled individual.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and so you know, we see this continued

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<v Speaker 1>on in oral traditions, but then also we've seen them recorded,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the last few decades. Uh, that there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a resurgence of interest in this um an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that these traditions and techniques survived and

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<v Speaker 1>then also to use them to understand the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the colonization of these islands by ancient humans, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the points that Lewis argues in his book

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<v Speaker 1>is that the colonization of the islands of the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>was not driven entirely by random drift, say, people getting

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<v Speaker 1>blown off course by a storm or getting lost and

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<v Speaker 1>then happening upon a new island. That that Instead, he

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<v Speaker 1>argues that a lot of these islands were probably discovered

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<v Speaker 1>by deliberate exploratory probes. Right, So let's get into some

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<v Speaker 1>of the techniques. Then We're going to start with what

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<v Speaker 1>may seem the most obvious, and that is the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of amazing techniques to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is by far the most important one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So Pacific islanders, uh, specifically, the trained navigators, they did

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<v Speaker 1>use the stars. The train navigator knew the positions of

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<v Speaker 1>important stars and their relationship to islands by heart. They

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<v Speaker 1>knew how the pattern of the stars changed depending on

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<v Speaker 1>where you went and what time of the year it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And they could also use the stars to determine latitude,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's her north south positioning. They could roughly determine

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<v Speaker 1>where they were in relation to the equator based on

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<v Speaker 1>the height of polaris or the southern cross above the horizon,

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<v Speaker 1>which they would measure, again not using instruments, but using

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<v Speaker 1>the human hand. Yes, or sometimes I think also maybe uh,

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the boat could be used to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>orient with the stars on the horizon. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>unfamiliar with this kind of technique, as obviously most of

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<v Speaker 1>us are as I am, the mind is immediately boggled.

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<v Speaker 1>Right you think, Okay, how would I use the stars

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<v Speaker 1>to find I don't know, a city or something like that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. You wouldn't even know where to start. But

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<v Speaker 1>once you know what to look for, this actually becomes

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely reliable method. Uh, And specifically the really important

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<v Speaker 1>guide stars here are constellations that are low in the

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<v Speaker 1>sky around the point where they are either rising or setting,

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<v Speaker 1>and can be easily associated with a particular heading toward

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon. So you're steering your boat and you're observing

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<v Speaker 1>the stars right around the horizon. So these would be

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<v Speaker 1>either stars and star constellations that have recently risen or

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<v Speaker 1>are about to set, depending on which direction east west

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<v Speaker 1>you're heading. So if you have a particular destination in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you're starting position, you can associate your

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<v Speaker 1>destination with a particular guide star, or what a guide

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<v Speaker 1>star would actually mean is a series of stars and

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<v Speaker 1>star constellations that will move move vertically up and down

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<v Speaker 1>across the sky as the night goes on. But they

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<v Speaker 1>might be identified by say the first star you would

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<v Speaker 1>see in the sequence, as as the guide star, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the train of subsequent stars that would move up

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<v Speaker 1>and down as the night goes on. But that is

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<v Speaker 1>associated with a particular island. Now, of course, it gets

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<v Speaker 1>much more complicated than that, because, for one thing, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to take into account position and geography. Because while

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<v Speaker 1>a star can help give you a heading toward a

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<v Speaker 1>known island that's associated with it would only necessarily be

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<v Speaker 1>associated with the island you're heading for from a particular direction. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're heading from east to west, the island

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for is under a certain star, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you're heading from north to the same island, that island

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<v Speaker 1>would be under a different star. Right. So the stars

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<v Speaker 1>help you get an orientation, but you have to know

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<v Speaker 1>the relationships between a sort of mental map of islands

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<v Speaker 1>in your head and how shifting the starting point of

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<v Speaker 1>the journey will shift, what star path will lead you

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<v Speaker 1>to your island destination. But it gets even more complicated

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<v Speaker 1>than that, because, of course, as we mentioned, the stars

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<v Speaker 1>don't stay still throughout the night. The earth is rotating,

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<v Speaker 1>so the fixed stars rise and set across the sky

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of a night. And as the stars

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<v Speaker 1>rise higher or set below the horizon, they become less

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<v Speaker 1>useful or not useful at all for navigating without equipment

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<v Speaker 1>and charts, not just because say, they're higher as they're

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<v Speaker 1>rising up, but also because they tend to rise at

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<v Speaker 1>an angle, so they won't stay right where they're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the horizon. What you want is a

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<v Speaker 1>reference star that is either just rising if you're heading east,

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<v Speaker 1>or is just about to set if your head west. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you do there? Well, what you would

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<v Speaker 1>tend to do is cycle through new sets of rising

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<v Speaker 1>or falling guide stars that you know will keep you

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<v Speaker 1>pointed in the right direction. And Lewis writes about this

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<v Speaker 1>that on average you won't need more than about ten

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<v Speaker 1>guide stars to sail through an entire night, given the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time that each star is usually pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to the horizon, close enough to be usable. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can almost imagine kind of a I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 1>those like stock ticker strips. You know, the old one

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<v Speaker 1>is like a strip of stars that are peeling up

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<v Speaker 1>over the horizon all night long, and each one, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is the next one in the set that is still

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<v Speaker 1>oriented with the top star in that strip that will

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<v Speaker 1>keep you going in the direction you need to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But stop and think about, like how much memorization this requires,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how much you need to know about what the

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<v Speaker 1>stars look like, what their orientations are, and their relationships

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<v Speaker 1>to the islands you need to get to depending on

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<v Speaker 1>where you're starting point is So the amount of now

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<v Speaker 1>vigational lore that needs to be committed to memory and

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of detail in it is is absolutely astounding.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it reminds me a little. These are not

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<v Speaker 1>directly comparable at all, but it reminds me a little

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<v Speaker 1>of how in or was it Mark Twain's life on

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<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi talking about how an experienced riverboat pilot would

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<v Speaker 1>need to know by heart the entire river, like all

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<v Speaker 1>the various details of its its twist and binds, its depth, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything that went into knowing it. Which, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I've read, you can you can basically take

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<v Speaker 1>that and apply it to to any kind of nautical setting.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly this one is well like you would need

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<v Speaker 1>to to know by heart the environment through which you

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<v Speaker 1>would be uh sailing, the environment of the waters, but

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<v Speaker 1>also the environment of the stars above. Yeah. And it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that while I don't know, while the mental memorization

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<v Speaker 1>of physical surroundings on land, including like trees and changes

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<v Speaker 1>in terrain and rocks and landmarks and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it maybe this is just my land lubber bias, but

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<v Speaker 1>it it seems like that kind of thing probably comes

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<v Speaker 1>more intuitively. It's more just sort of like a biological

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<v Speaker 1>default to recognize landmarks like plants and rocks and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Then it would be to memorize the stars

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<v Speaker 1>as your landmarks for guidance. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it almost feels like saving through through space. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>though of course there's gonna be plenty concerning the water

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<v Speaker 1>itself and uh and uh and other environmental cues that

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<v Speaker 1>will get to But but certainly at this point in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the podcast, it's easy to to almost think

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<v Speaker 1>of these as space voyages because of the degree of

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<v Speaker 1>focus that must be placed on the stars, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so experienced specific navigators can use these rising and setting

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<v Speaker 1>guide stars to form this extremely accurate mental compass. Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>gives one example of one of his voyages with the

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<v Speaker 1>navigator TVAK, and he says, quote, by these obliquely sinking stars,

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<v Speaker 1>he was able to inform me that during the evening

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<v Speaker 1>that the wind had backed from southeast to south southeast.

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<v Speaker 1>I seriously doubted the accuracy of his observation until Canopus,

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<v Speaker 1>topping the horizon on a bearing of a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty three degrees exactly in line with our stern, confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>that we were in fact dead on course and that

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<v Speaker 1>the wind had changed. Now, there's another variation on the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of guide stars for navigation that is known as

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<v Speaker 1>the sidereal compass. That is basically like a view of

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<v Speaker 1>the night sky that identifies particular rising or setting stars

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<v Speaker 1>with points on an imagined compass. Again, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of equipment and external tool. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>compass in the brain that has a picture a mental

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<v Speaker 1>map of the stars and how the stars along the

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<v Speaker 1>horizon will give you information about north, southeast, and west. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the basic primary methods of navigation by stars,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously in practice, it's a lot more complicated, so

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<v Speaker 1>a few examples. Of course, there is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>adjusting the course to compensate for variations in currents and winds,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be adaptable for for celestial orientation markers when

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<v Speaker 1>part of the sky is obscured, for example, by clouds,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll mention more about that in a minute. There's

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<v Speaker 1>another thing that's a complication with the use of guide

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<v Speaker 1>stars for navigation, which is the seasonality of guide stars. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, the availability of guide stars varies with the seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>because the sidereal day is actually twenty three hours and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six minutes long, not twenty four hours. So each

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<v Speaker 1>star rises and sets four minutes earlier each night. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine, as this builds up over time,

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually going to be having different star maps available

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<v Speaker 1>to you as the year goes on. So in illustrating this,

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis writes that quote Tevak told me that the sailing

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<v Speaker 1>season in the Santa Cruz group lasted all year round,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there were appropriate steering stars for each time

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<v Speaker 1>of year. Similarly, when two two indicated the stars for

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<v Speaker 1>the Nomuka Tonga Tapoo passage, he stressed that the ones

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<v Speaker 1>he was showing me were usable only up to about September,

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<v Speaker 1>after which new stars and sailing directions had to be used.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only do you have to understand this whole

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<v Speaker 1>star map and its relationship to the island geography, but

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<v Speaker 1>also if you if you're sailing across different seasons, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have the seasonal backups in mind as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's even more to to take into account. One thing,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, is wind and leeway, So experience navigators will

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<v Speaker 1>have a mental map to reach their destination that must

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<v Speaker 1>include compensation for leeway, you know, the sideward drift of

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<v Speaker 1>a boat as as is blown sort of off course

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<v Speaker 1>by wind. So if the navigator knows that the destination

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<v Speaker 1>is under a particular star, but there is a known

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<v Speaker 1>and relatively dependable amount of southerly drift on the journey

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<v Speaker 1>do to prevailing winds and currents, they actually have to

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<v Speaker 1>aim a certain amount north of the guide star. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just for permanent drifts. There's also sort of

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<v Speaker 1>more ad hoc compensation that has to take place along

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<v Speaker 1>the way as well. But one of the big things

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<v Speaker 1>that that really struck me about this was how how

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<v Speaker 1>much it inverts the logic of nighttime navigation versus daytime navigation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, uh, like, how how would you think, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think would be the best time to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get somewhere. Obviously you would probably think it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the day right when you can see where you need

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<v Speaker 1>to go. But it is much easier to use the

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<v Speaker 1>highly dependable celestial navigation techniques of of the Pacific Islander

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<v Speaker 1>navigation lore at night than it is in the daytime.

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<v Speaker 1>There there's still tools they use in the daytime, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about those in a minute. Um, But even

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<v Speaker 1>when the stars are largely obscured by clouds and experience,

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<v Speaker 1>navigator can usually use some stars in the sky to

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<v Speaker 1>orient and to get onto the correct bearing, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>by noting which stars might lie it's a nine d

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<v Speaker 1>degrees to the course, etcetera. Yeah, I mean it almost

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like you would you would probably want to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the shore, you know, around dusk, um, and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then once and then hopefully you're you're out to sea

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<v Speaker 1>by the time the stars have come out. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually there's a good bit of thought about when

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<v Speaker 1>are the best times to arrive and depart. So they

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Yeah, I think it's usually customary to leave

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<v Speaker 1>during the daytime. And one of the main reasons it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to leave during the daytime is not only that

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<v Speaker 1>people can be notified and you can say prepare things

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<v Speaker 1>to take along with you that same day, like fresh food,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can say your farewells to people during the daytime,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can also look back at the island you're

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<v Speaker 1>leaving from to get back bearings, right, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>make use of the land if your navigation for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as it's feasible, right. And it's also usually can

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<v Speaker 1>cosidered important to arrive at your destination during the daytime

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<v Speaker 1>because one of the great perils actually of Pacific navigation

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<v Speaker 1>is accidentally missing your target in the dark. If you

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<v Speaker 1>sail past the island in the dark and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>realize you've done it, that can be uh that that

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<v Speaker 1>could be a death sentence. So it's kind of interesting

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<v Speaker 1>while you're out on the open ocean, navigating at night

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<v Speaker 1>is ideal. That's you know, where you get these accurate

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<v Speaker 1>guide stars. But I think it's often considered good to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the island during the daytime and to arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>your destination during the daytime. And sometimes uh. And there

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<v Speaker 1>might be some exceptions to that, but those seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be some general principles that were observed at least that

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis mentioned and uh. And so that would require very

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<v Speaker 1>careful timing of the journey, right, Like you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know pretty much exactly how long it's going to take,

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<v Speaker 1>how many days, so that you can time it out

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And just as one example about the dangers

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<v Speaker 1>of missing an island at night, uh, the Lewis talk

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<v Speaker 1>about at least one of the navigators he worked with

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<v Speaker 1>having a practice of when you're getting close to the

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<v Speaker 1>island and it's really dark out, sometimes they would just

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<v Speaker 1>stop sailing. They would slow down. They would uh it's

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<v Speaker 1>called heaving to you know, they would heave to to

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<v Speaker 1>slow the progress of the boat, just to be super

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<v Speaker 1>careful that they didn't accidentally, say, sail between two islands

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<v Speaker 1>unnoticed in the middle of the night. But while the

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<v Speaker 1>nighttime star navigation is the most accurate thing to use,

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<v Speaker 1>there are clues you can use for navigation in the

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<v Speaker 1>daytime as well. For example, you can use the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more difficult to use the sun, but it can

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<v Speaker 1>be done. Uh. And it's more difficult for a number

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons. First of all, there's only one of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and its position can vary a lot over the seasons. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike the stars, the relative position of the Sun on

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon of Earth has a lot more variability. But

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<v Speaker 1>even with the seasonal variability of the Sun's position, you

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<v Speaker 1>can still use it to navigate by pairing it with

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<v Speaker 1>external reference to the stars. And this was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the many moments in this book. It gave me that like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>of course kind of feeling, and this was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh So, Lewis writes at one point about another

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<v Speaker 1>scholar who had been writing about Pacific navigation uh named

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<v Speaker 1>acre Blom. He says, quote acre Blom surprisingly asserts that

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve a satisfactory degree of accuracy when checking the

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<v Speaker 1>course by means of the bearing of the rising or

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<v Speaker 1>setting sun, the Polynesian navigator must necessarily have had access

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<v Speaker 1>to some form of memorized table of the changes in

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<v Speaker 1>the sun's asimuth. So it's you know, changes in rising

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<v Speaker 1>and setting patterns over the seasons. But contrary to that,

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis says, all the navigator actually needs, of course, are

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<v Speaker 1>his eyes and a knowledge of the stars. The sun

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<v Speaker 1>star comparison could be made twice in each day if

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<v Speaker 1>one were so minded. So when the sun is rising

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<v Speaker 1>or setting, you can check its orientation with respect to

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<v Speaker 1>the stars that appear, you know, before or after it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can basically know where on the horizon

0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:05.600
<v Speaker 1>it is rising or setting at this time of er. Wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are other methods of maintaining course setting during

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<v Speaker 1>the daytime that are again more difficult than the nighttime,

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<v Speaker 1>but still possible. And another method that I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting was steering by ocean swells. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>actually two different uses here. Um, So there's one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is navigation by swells in the open water. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're out you know no side of land anywhere nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>you can use ocean swells to help you do direction finding,

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<v Speaker 1>just like you would use the sun or the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>But in addition to that, using the swells is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a land finding technique. It changes in how the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>swells are affected by nearby land masses can be used

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<v Speaker 1>to locate islands that are nearby, and this is something

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<v Speaker 1>we'll probably talk about more in the next part of

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<v Speaker 1>this of this series. But what does it mean to

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<v Speaker 1>steer by swells in the daytime. Well swells are permanent

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<v Speaker 1>wave patterns with specific cardinal origin points, which are associated

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<v Speaker 1>not with waves kicked up by transient weather, but with

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<v Speaker 1>strong and persistent wind patterns associated with specific permanent weather systems,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the trade winds or what or what A

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<v Speaker 1>Louis calls the Southern Ocean belt of strong Westerly's. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we can sort of loosely imagine like

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<v Speaker 1>a recreation of a basic form of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a model or a simulation. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had a body of water and you had say a

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<v Speaker 1>fan or something creating some sort of you know, disturbance

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<v Speaker 1>across the surface, and it it was regular, what would

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<v Speaker 1>happen if you then dropped some islands in there? It

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<v Speaker 1>could disrupt the waves, especially in if we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>in in the actual ocean, in the form of long

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<v Speaker 1>ocean waves as they bend around land masses, and and

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<v Speaker 1>this wave disruption can be identified by a skilled eye

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<v Speaker 1>enable them to detect land hundreds of kilometers wave and

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<v Speaker 1>which is is pretty amazing, right, And so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind that would be used specifically for the land finding, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But you can also use the c swells, like you

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<v Speaker 1>would use the stars to get directional orientation to know

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<v Speaker 1>which direction is north southeast or west without a compass,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you know basically what direction a c swell

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<v Speaker 1>that is permanent and reliable comes from, you can detect

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that swell and then no, okay, that way is south southeast. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So so now we have not only the stars above,

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<v Speaker 1>but also uh the wave patterns the CEA swells as well. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So these permanent weather patterns, they originate in a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>consistent direction from your location. Now, part of the ignorant

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<v Speaker 1>land dweller in me is just incredulous here, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm out in a boat on the ocean, waves

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<v Speaker 1>seem utterly random to me. I could not I could

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<v Speaker 1>not identify that waves are coming from a particular direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, but they're well, unless it's coming from

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<v Speaker 1>a ski do right then you write motor boat that's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>By then it's pretty clear what's creating the distraction. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a good point. But you know, just the general choppy

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<v Speaker 1>wave patterns of the ocean, I wouldn't have any idea

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. But if you are trained in knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what to look for, you actually can identify particular wave

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 1>patterns or swell patterns. Lewis actually makes a distinction between

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<v Speaker 1>waves and swells um but but they're not just random.

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<v Speaker 1>The system of orientation based on swells is not as

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<v Speaker 1>reliable as the stars, but it's still pretty reliable. So

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<v Speaker 1>the question would be, well, how do you detect them?

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<v Speaker 1>One interesting fact is that the navigators Lewis learned from

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to consult the swells based on feeling them in

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<v Speaker 1>the body more so than looking at them, which means

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<v Speaker 1>that they can be used to steer not only in

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<v Speaker 1>the daytime, but on overcast nights. So when the stars

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<v Speaker 1>are completely hidden that's your main orientation tool gone, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no light to see, you could still potentially feel

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<v Speaker 1>the directional swells and get an orientation based on that. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting and it makes perfect sense. So how do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel swells? Well, there's a part in Lewis's book

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<v Speaker 1>where he talks about this. He says, quote T. K

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<v Speaker 1>told me he would sometimes retire to the hut on

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<v Speaker 1>his canoes out rigger platform, where he could lie down

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<v Speaker 1>and without distraction, more readily direct the helmsman onto the

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<v Speaker 1>proper course. By analyzing the role and pitch of the

0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:35.960
<v Speaker 1>vessel as it cork screwed over the waves. In distinguishing swells,

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.200
<v Speaker 1>he stressed, you have to wait patiently until the one

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<v Speaker 1>you want has a spell of being prominent and discernible.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is a lot of noise in the waves, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of conflicting, you know, wave wave

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<v Speaker 1>action coming in different directions. But there's a certain pattern

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<v Speaker 1>you can recognize from a known swell, And once there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's the right kind of timing in the wave

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<v Speaker 1>action for you to IDENTI find the pattern of that

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<v Speaker 1>known directional swell, you can orient based on that, and

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<v Speaker 1>this would be again done by feeling it in the

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<v Speaker 1>body and feeling the direction of the rolling of the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you think about how a boat moves in

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the waves, it can pitch, it can move up and down,

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<v Speaker 1>forward to back, and it can roll from side to side,

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<v Speaker 1>and the interaction of pitch and roll will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>something about the direction that the swell is coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, in saying that this type of navigation method

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<v Speaker 1>is more reliable than it sounds, I also don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to overstate or understate the difficulty of detecting it right

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a lot of noisy way of action

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the ocean, so somebody has to be

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<v Speaker 1>really experienced and know what it is they're feeling for

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 1>in order to feel it. And I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>read one section of Lewis talking about attempting to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with the navigation based on swells. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>He writes, quote the course toward Tomaco was east northeat

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<v Speaker 1>directly into the C swell that came from the same

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<v Speaker 1>direction that it was only present or at any rate detectable.

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<v Speaker 1>Occasionally at such times it could be picked out by I,

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<v Speaker 1>and as the ship rowed up and over it, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>pitched without any role at all, except when the steep

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>northerly wind wave happened to coincide when the boat, the

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Spiorn was rolled to starboard at the same moment as

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 1>she was pitching over the head on C swell. In

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<v Speaker 1>those long intervals where the C swell was absent, the

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>wind wave rolled us to starboard about once every five

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<v Speaker 1>seconds without there being any pitching component. I could feel

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<v Speaker 1>little effect from the southeast or northwest swells. After nightfall,

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<v Speaker 1>we steered by the stars, the swells remaining unchanged except

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that the wind wave declined. So that's about like trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that they're different. In fact, there are multiple

0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 1>swells at any given time, probably hitting you from different directions,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the experience navigator is looking or a particular

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<v Speaker 1>type of swell. You know that you could actually make

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<v Speaker 1>the same journey potentially and look for different swells to

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>steer you in aid of it. You just have to

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.440
<v Speaker 1>know which ones you're feeling for. And that goes back

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.439
<v Speaker 1>to the example you mentioned earlier about just like like

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<v Speaker 1>setting there or laying there on the boat and just

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<v Speaker 1>waiting to to feel the one you're looking for. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just okay, the waves you're hitting me, I got

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the pattern. No, you're looking for the specific pattern amid

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the noise or amid the waves right when there may

0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>be multiple patterns coming at you at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just trying to pick the right one out, get

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<v Speaker 1>the timing right to understand, yes, this is it. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you were talking about earlier, I think it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to remember and again, well we'll get more into this

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<v Speaker 1>in the next episode. The ability to detect and measure

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 1>swells in their direction of origin is not useful just

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<v Speaker 1>in steering on the open ocean, but it's also one

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<v Speaker 1>of the techniques for understanding when land is near. Now,

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 1>there are a couple of other things that are really

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>interesting about navig aiding on the open ocean. There's one

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 1>more orientation technique that is even less reliable than the others,

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 1>but it is sometimes still used as a backup. That's

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>known as the wind compass. So it's it's basically operating

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>on the presence of known wind patterns to give you

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>indications about about directionality. So you might, for example, use

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>the aid of a tool here, an external tool like

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>a pennant, the you know, kind of flag object that

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>would allow you to determine patterns of winds and where

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>they come from. And if you know that there are

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>certain dominant patterns of winds, you can kind of use

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that to give you another data point in orienting your

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>boat in the right direction. Now, there's a whole other

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 1>world of ad hoc adjustment that needs to take place

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>on top of everything we've already been talking about. You know,

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>basically everything we've been talking about is getting the correct bearing,

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 1>knowing you're going in the right direction towards your target

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:59.199
<v Speaker 1>island based on your starting point. But of course in

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>sailing you can always just sail in a straight line.

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Right winds and ocean currents will gradually shift you off

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>course and you have to understand how that's happening and

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.239
<v Speaker 1>compensate for it. Which again this is one of those

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>things where I just like react to that, thinking like

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>it seems impossible, how could you do it? But but

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>they have methods that they can do it. And there

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of methods here, but for example, one

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that I really liked, Lewis discusses on the first stage

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of one journey with hip Hoor, departing from pula Wat,

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>hip Hoor would keep track of back bearings on the

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>island that they were leaving to see how the current

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was affecting their heading. So you have the reference point

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of the island, landmarks the island you're leaving, and then

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you can see from your heading as you're leaving the

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>island how strong the current is at the moment. And then,

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 1>to to read from Louis here quote if said hip

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 1>Hoor it turned out on further observation to be weak,

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 1>we would head towards It's the point where vegas set,

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 1>which is about at three hundred and nine degrees if strong,

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>as proved to be the case towards the setting point

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>of the pl A D s at about two hundred

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and eighty five degrees. Thus there were at least two

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 1>distinct star courses traditionally laid down for this passage, and

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>probably four to allow for strong and weak south flowing currents.

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>This was a north flowing current. So not only do

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>you need to know the right headings for uh, for

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the island you need to get to under you know,

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>basically like neutral conditions, you also have to know what

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.199
<v Speaker 1>headings you would use if the current is a certain

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>strength in a certain direction and the corresponding guide stars

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of course, um. But so if the wind or current

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>is moving you laterally off course while steering in the

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>open ocean, and so you don't have like, you know,

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>back bearings like an island to refer to. How would

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you even know it? How do you know how far

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>off course you're getting blown by the wind. This was

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>another moment where the technique was revealed and was like, oh,

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of course, I thought this method was ingenious. Some of

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the navigators here would look at the wake left behind

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>by the boat. So if if leeway I mean, you know,

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>wind the blowing the boat sideways in addition to forward.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>If leeway is affecting your course, one way to judge

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>this is by looking at the degree of the angle

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>between the straight line you're attempting to steer on. So

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine a straight line going from the stern

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>to the bow of the boat, you know, and just

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>going off towards the horizon in every direction. Look at

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the angle between that line and the trail of wake

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>left behind you. This might be kind of hard to

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 1>visualize without a without a picture, so I'm sorry, but Rob,

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I've got a picture for you to look at. Here

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you can see that there's actually an angle of difference

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>in between the wake behind the boat as you're getting

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>blown off course and the straight line that you are

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>attempting to steer on. Yeah, you can imagine it is

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 1>looking back and saying, not a straight wake behind you

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>going back to you know, to just directly behind you,

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>as if it is a line drawn from the rear

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of the vessel, but something that is diagonal because because

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>of the way the wind is blowing the vessel from

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the side right. So by seeing that angle and how

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>large it is, a master navigator is able to correct

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>for the amount of leeway that they're being blown off course.

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Now there's a huge thing that we haven't gotten into

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>in detail yet here, but a big section of Lewis's

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>book is about the Pacific navigation forms of dead reckoning,

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and dead reckoning is estimating the position of your boat

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>without reference to any new markers around you, but rather

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>by knowing your past position and estimating how far you

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>have traveled from there and in what direction. So this

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>is crucial to keeping track of your journey. But this

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>is a different thing because it's not giving you new

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>information from your surroundings. It's rather a sort of keeping

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>track of your position on a mental map by just

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>using the information already in your possession. And one mental

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 1>tool that seems to help with this process and Pacific

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>navigation has been referred to as attack. Again, this is

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>not a means of acquiring new information from the environment,

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>but rather a visualization or a mental reference system for

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>understanding one's place in relation to other things. Unfortunately, this

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>is yet another concept that is kind of hard to

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>explain without visual aids. But Rob, I've got a visual

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>aid for you to look at here, and I will

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>do my best to try to explain it. Basically, it

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>hinges on having this mastery of relationships between stars, vantage points,

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and various geographical locations, specifically islands on in the nearby surroundings.

0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>So as a point of analogy, imagine that you want

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to travel between New York in Chicago by stars. One

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>way that I can help understand where I am along

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>my journey is if I have a third reference point

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>in mind. So let's say Atlanta. So I know that

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I start in New York, and when I start in

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>New York, I know from where I am, Atlanta is

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be under Star A from my point of view.

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>So if I wanted to travel to Atlanta, I would

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>take my beer, I would head towards Star A on

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the horizon. But by the time I reached Chicago, now,

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>because I'm at a different vantage point, Atlanta is underneath

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Star C from my point of view, and there's a

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>midpoint in between Chicago and New York where Atlanta, from

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>my vantage point is underneath Star B. So the whole

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>time I never see Atlanta. But this mental reference system

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>allows me to break my journey into recognizable segments where

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I keep track of each time the third reference island

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>or in my analogy, Atlanta has moved under a new

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>star from my point of view. Does that make sense? Yeah,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I think so. And this this visual reference helps a bed. Yeah,

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry you folks at home can't see it, but uh,

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>actually you know if you do, if you do just

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a Google search for etach reference points, I don't think

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you will find the exact um illustration that I'm looking at,

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>but you'll see some that are similar to They give

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you an idea of what we're talking about. It's e

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>T A K. Yeah, though it's complicated by the fact

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that this appears also to be the name of a

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>like a car navigation system, uh software. So if you

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>if you Google attack islands there you'll see the right illustrations. Yeah, yeah,

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that'll cut out some of the car stuff. But I

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>think this system is is also really interesting because it

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I think it still is important to think of it

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>as a useful tool for navigation, even though it provides

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>no additional information to the navigator. Instead, what it is

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>is it seems to be that it's useful as a

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 1>system for mentally keeping track of the information you already have,

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>for knowing how far you've come, where you are, and

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 1>how far you have left to go. Uh, which is

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>interesting because I mean, obviously that's an important part of

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of any travel, right, is sort of visualizing the whole

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 1>of your journey in ways they're not immediately apparent to

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>your senses. Yeah, and I guess as in modern travelers

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>with modern instruments, being at sea or on land, Yeah,

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>we're still engaging in some level of that. We still

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>have some level of a mental map, but we have

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:43.240
<v Speaker 1>these other tools that make our mental map less important.

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe sometimes the mental map is even incorrect. Like you know,

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're relying heavily on a GPS device

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to drive you from one point to the other. I

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 1>guess you could theoretically not know if you're really driving

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>north or west or south or what have you, as

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>long as the system got you there. But in this case,

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the mental map is everything. The Milton in the mental

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>map has to be carefully cultivated using uh knowledge of

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>all of these environmental cues, these different systems. Uh. It's

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:18.359
<v Speaker 1>it's really quite quite amazing. Uh it's uh yeah, it's

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 1>it's it's something else. So when you're driving somewhere new

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>that you've never been before with the aid of a GPS,

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a map, SAP on a phone or something.

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Can Can you just plug it in and go? Or

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>do you, like me strongly prefer to look at the

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 1>whole route first. Um, I tend to just go the

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>same way I do recipes for meals. It's just I

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>just trust that. I mean, I look and make sure

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I have what I need. In the same case, I'll

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>look at my gas tank and make sure I have

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>enough gas to get where I'm going. I'll see how

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>much how long it says it's gonna take for me

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to get there. But then I'll just go I'll just

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>start cooking, or I'll or I'll just start driving and

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>trust that I will get there and I'll figure out

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>on the way of there any snakes. This must be

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>differences in personality type somehow, I guess I'm I'm more

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 1>annoying about this or something. I really don't like having

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>to navigate based on just a moment to moment directions

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>on an app without seeing the entire route first. I

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>like to look at the whole map, see what the

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 1>steps are, see how far it is, see like see

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>it visually represented. That really matters to me for some reason.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I might glance at it if if I

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>know there's going to be some weird exit, if it

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 1>says that, oh, I'm getting off at this exit, and

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>normally I don't do that. I'm kind of curious what

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>route I'm taking then, But otherwise I just go, well,

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 1>you know. The weird thing is, I think one reason

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I do that, it's not like it usually gives me

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>important information that I actually need in addition to whatever

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the step by step instructions in real time are. Instead,

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's something closer to the attack system,

0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>where I just want to be able to visualize in

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>this app stract way the whole of the journey and

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 1>sort of imagine where I am along the journey at

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>various points. M yeah, but I feel like I'm going

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 1>to do that anyway as I drive, Like there's kind

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of a perhaps a less accurate version of that that's

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be going on in my head. But it

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>says it's as accurate as it needs to be. Yeah,

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Like if the GPS satellites were to suddenly get taken

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>out by aliens or something, um, you know, I could

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I get backtrack or even if it's if I've driven

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>this particular route before, I can probably remember the rest

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of the way. Um, But otherwise I'm good. Well, I

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>wonder if we should call part two there and then

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>come back in part three to talk about one of

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the next really interesting things, which is all of this

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 1>has been mostly about navigation, direction finding and navigation, especially

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>on the open sea, but a whole other part of

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>this science of navigation is land finding. When you're getting

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 1>close to an island, how do you know that and

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>how do you find it? And so let's save that

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>for part three. Yeah, part three, we will we will

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>make landfall or try to make landfall appropriately. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>we do a little listener mail. On Wednesdays we do

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<v Speaker 1>short form episode we're calling it the Artifact, and then

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday's we do Weird How Cinema. That's our time

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<v Speaker 1>to set aside most of the science and the culture

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<v Speaker 1>and just talk about a weird emotion picture and then

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<v Speaker 1>we have reruns on the weekend. Huge thanks as always

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<v Speaker 1>to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. If you

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<v Speaker 1>would look to get in touch with us with feedback

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<v Speaker 1>on this episode or any other, to suggest a topic

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<v Speaker 1>for the future, or just to say hello, you can

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<v Speaker 1>email us at contact. That's Stuff to Blow your Mind

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