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Speaker 2: hosts Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda, and Kyle.
Speaker 3: Yeomans Cowboys Nation, let's talk about it.
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Speaker 4: John Mashoda Chris Beam in the back. I'm Nick Harris.
Speaker 4: No Kyle Yeomans today. He is off doing big announcer
Speaker 4: stuff today, So Kyle, but uh yeah, so we're we're
Speaker 4: He left us here to sit here and talk about
Speaker 4: it with you guys. The therapy session. I don't think
Speaker 4: he could sit through.
Speaker 5: It's so weird.
Speaker 3: Huh yeah. Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 4: Forty eight hours, I guess, give or take thirty six maybe.
Speaker 4: Oh like yeah, it's it's it's it's done. It happened
Speaker 4: very fast, Dallas Cowboys getting blown out, and I don't
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a safer way to put it.
Speaker 4: Even if they were able to get that final touchdown
Speaker 4: in two point conversion to make it an eight point loss.
Speaker 3: That's still a blowout.
Speaker 4: Dug themselves a twenty seven to nothing hole, couldn't bounce
Speaker 4: back from it, and the Green Bay Packers are moving
Speaker 4: on to the divisional round. And now the Cowboys have
Speaker 4: a lot of questions to answer this week and into
Speaker 4: the offseason. Guys, I just kind of want to get
Speaker 4: your initial thoughts on the game, and John will start
Speaker 4: with you.
Speaker 3: Just what happened?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I thought that they're well every game.
Speaker 6: I think that there's four possible scenarios. You know, the
Speaker 6: Cowboys can either win close, win big, lose close, lose big.
Speaker 6: Losing big was something I never even considered happening. That
Speaker 6: is that I never even thought that was not against
Speaker 6: his team, not I mean nine win Packers team. You
Speaker 6: could it's the worst team that made the playoffs this year.
Speaker 6: You're at hell home, and when that Cowboys game ended,
Speaker 6: we didn't know what would happen, you know, yesterday, and
Speaker 6: it held true. Every other wildcard team that played at
Speaker 6: home won their game.
Speaker 1: That is a huge advantage in the.
Speaker 6: Wildcard round because you're usually playing a team that isn't
Speaker 6: the same level as you, And so it's the same
Speaker 6: thing as it was two years ago when the Cowboys
Speaker 6: hosted the Niners. They were the only team to lose
Speaker 6: at home in the wildcard round. That's not a good sign.
Speaker 6: And my initial thoughts are the same as they are
Speaker 6: right now. I just cannot believe the way that first
Speaker 6: half went for it to snowball the way it did,
Speaker 6: to get down twenty seven to nothing late in the
Speaker 6: first half, get be down thirty two in the fourth.
Speaker 6: I mean, I just that's unfathomable from a team that
Speaker 6: the offense is healthy. Yeah, you were missing some defensive players,
Speaker 6: but there is no excuse to have played that poorly. Honestly,
Speaker 6: I don't think there's an excuse for them to play
Speaker 6: that poorly against any team forty nine, Ers, Baltimore, whatever.
Speaker 6: And then the flip side is I always try and
Speaker 6: look at things from the other team's perspective. I don't
Speaker 6: think there's a team in the NFL Packers players, Packers fans, whoever,
Speaker 6: analysts would have ever thought that they would be up
Speaker 6: twenty seven to nothing late in the first half. Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 6: whoever you want to put them at at their place
Speaker 6: in Lambeau and on the frozen tundra. They wouldn't have
Speaker 6: believed that they would have been up twenty seven to
Speaker 6: nothing against anyone for it just snowball like that. And
Speaker 6: then the last thing I'll just say before you guys
Speaker 6: go on, couldn't believe that how all facets of the
Speaker 6: game were terrible, Like there was nothing you could hang
Speaker 6: your hat on, like maybe maybe Jake Ferguson, maybe Michael Gallup,
Speaker 6: Like I mean.
Speaker 3: We're really Gallup saved his job.
Speaker 1: We're really splitting hairs over here.
Speaker 6: So that was the if you painted that picture and
Speaker 6: you told somebody before the game that that was going
Speaker 6: to happen, One, you could have made a ton of
Speaker 6: money betting on it. But two, I don't think anybody
Speaker 6: Packer fan, Cowboy fan, any analyst would have believed that
Speaker 6: was possible. Maybe a close loss, losing late, but not
Speaker 6: that type of performance.
Speaker 7: Well, Nick, I don't know, I don't know what the
Speaker 7: heck happened. I don't I didn't recognize that team, that
Speaker 7: entire team. There might have been aspects or players in
Speaker 7: that game that I'm might have been you know what,
Speaker 7: we've seen that guy before. But as an entire team.
Speaker 7: I was disappointed, and that's the only word that I
Speaker 7: can utilize in that associates with what we saw on
Speaker 7: Sunday afternoon is peer disappointment, mainly because they didn't fight.
Speaker 7: And there's gonna be games where it's just not going
Speaker 7: your way. There's gonna be games where god, a man,
Speaker 7: the execution's just not there, or man, we're just barely
Speaker 7: off on this.
Speaker 5: You know, maybe there's games where you.
Speaker 7: Get out coached, but for all those things to be
Speaker 7: true and you not fight to a peer to not fight,
Speaker 7: let's put it that way, right.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I'm real quick on that.
Speaker 6: Did you see any similarities from that, because I did
Speaker 6: a little bit so when you said that, I feel
Speaker 6: the exact same way, and it kind of reminded me
Speaker 6: of San Francisco, Arizona Buffalo, like where you're watching the
Speaker 6: game and it was like, Hey, I'm only gonna let
Speaker 6: you watch the first quarter.
Speaker 1: And then you have to leave. That's really all you
Speaker 1: needed to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could have rubbed my to go off the
Speaker 3: first quarter.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the first quarter was happening, and as it was
Speaker 7: taking place, I was like, Yeah, this is a rough start,
Speaker 7: but they'll be okay. That was my genuine feeling. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 7: there's they'll be okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've won sixteen in a row at home, you'd
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 7: But even aside from that, I'm like, personnel wise, you're
Speaker 7: personnel wise, you're better than they are on paper. The
Speaker 7: bad thing about it is you got to still show
Speaker 7: up and improve it, and they just didn't show up
Speaker 7: improve it. They literally allow somebody to walk in their house,
Speaker 7: smack them, their wives and their kids. That person walked
Speaker 7: away before walking out of the door. They turn around
Speaker 7: and say, you got something to say, and then smack
Speaker 7: their dogs and then it smacked the dog and walked out,
Speaker 7: slammed the door shut, and Dallas said nothing.
Speaker 5: And that's how I felt then. That's how I feel now, you.
Speaker 1: Feel any better?
Speaker 6: I was going, you know, any better today than you
Speaker 6: did after it, because I think there's a state of
Speaker 6: shock when it's going on, because you know, like like Jerry,
Speaker 6: you could tell after the game, what's the kind of
Speaker 6: like sleep on it before he makes any big decisions.
Speaker 6: I'm just kind of like, when I woke up the
Speaker 6: next morning, I'm like, that's worse than even when I
Speaker 6: was watching it, thinking about.
Speaker 7: It, you know what, you know what, No, I don't
Speaker 7: feel any better to answer your question. The thing that's
Speaker 7: really making me, I don't want to say sick to
Speaker 7: my stomach, but like this uneasy feeling, I genuinely genuinely
Speaker 7: feel bad for mister Jones. Like I genuinely feel bad
Speaker 7: for mister Jones because we're not best buds. I'm not
Speaker 7: his best friend. I don't know. I'm in, you know,
Speaker 7: all the way in and all the way out. I'm
Speaker 7: grateful that he drafted me and things of that nature.
Speaker 7: See him around the way from time to time. But
Speaker 7: over the years, from the time that I was drafted
Speaker 7: to now right, I've had my eyes on the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I've never seen him hurt. And I feel like he
Speaker 7: was genuinely hurt after that game, or hurt by the
Speaker 7: results of that game. There's a certain look that people
Speaker 7: have in their eyes. There's disappointment, there's frustration, there's anger.
Speaker 7: He was hurt, man like like I felt like I
Speaker 7: felt it. You know, there there was a presence that
Speaker 7: he has about it, there's an amians that he has
Speaker 7: about him, and it was it was pain.
Speaker 5: It was genuine pain.
Speaker 6: And well, I'll just speak on behalf of everybody outside
Speaker 6: of the studio. Then don't you give him any responsibility
Speaker 6: being also the general manager of the team.
Speaker 7: You know what, So I know a lot of people
Speaker 7: are going to do that right, and as a general manager,
Speaker 7: you do everything that you can. You know, my idea
Speaker 7: of a general manager doing all they can is doing
Speaker 7: a great job managing the salary cap, doing a great
Speaker 7: job putting as much talent as you can underneath the
Speaker 7: salary cap, and putting a coaching staff in position that
Speaker 7: is as successful as possible with the talent that you have.
Speaker 7: That's your job as a general manager. Your job's not
Speaker 7: to go out there and play your jobs, not to
Speaker 7: play at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: After the game, Jerry was kind of took responsibility. He said,
Speaker 4: I know where the responsibility starts, and then it's talking
Speaker 4: about himself.
Speaker 3: I've got that real clear.
Speaker 4: And I know that the point is this that I'm
Speaker 4: disappointed for everybody.
Speaker 3: He was really apologetic to the fans after the game.
Speaker 4: I think that was the biggest thing that he wanted
Speaker 4: to get across, and he knew that there was a
Speaker 4: really good opportunity for this team to be able to
Speaker 4: have two games at home and instead on Sunday at
Speaker 4: and T stadiums can be very empty and not a
Speaker 4: soul's going to be in there.
Speaker 6: It is interesting to say about the apology because I
Speaker 6: felt like last year in San Francisco he talked because
Speaker 6: of that exact same thing too, And anybody that wants
Speaker 6: can just put that inside and be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 6: he just wants publicity. He has never seen a microphone
Speaker 6: or camera. He doesn't love And that's fine that you
Speaker 6: can factor that in. But also, I mean I watch
Speaker 6: all these games. I just I don't see anybody else's
Speaker 6: you know, GM or owner standing outside, you know, feeling
Speaker 6: like they have to tell the fan base they're not
Speaker 6: the only ones they're gonna be disappointed after this. But
Speaker 6: it is interesting how like you point that out that
Speaker 6: I really truly feel like he has to say something
Speaker 6: to the fan, especially when it's such an ugly, disappointing,
Speaker 6: unexpected end of the season like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the biggest questions that were asked to Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones post game was you know, are there changes that
Speaker 4: you have to make?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: This is three seasons in a.
Speaker 4: Row, twelve wins at twelve and five and being bounced
Speaker 4: early in the playoffs earlier than you probably should have.
Speaker 4: I think the only argument you can maybe maybe make
Speaker 4: was last season. But even the way that one went down,
Speaker 4: you felt like you should have won that game, he said.
Speaker 4: I haven't reflected at all on anything about the coaching
Speaker 4: or any of that. I'm amazed that we were sitting
Speaker 4: here without another game this upcoming weekend. I don't have
Speaker 4: any comments or questions or answers for how and why
Speaker 4: we didn't do what we wanted tonight. What I'm zeroed
Speaker 4: in on is the fact that I thought we were
Speaker 4: in a position to advance this thing in the playoffs
Speaker 4: and maybe get as far as our dreams might take us.
Speaker 3: We didn't do it.
Speaker 4: I didn't have I don't have any thoughts on the
Speaker 4: reasons why, or anything to do with the coaching or players.
Speaker 4: It kind of sounded like he was gonna take some
Speaker 4: time this week to think about some things. And it's
Speaker 4: it's hard to go into Oxnard in July and sell
Speaker 4: the same product.
Speaker 6: Oh and just run it back. Yeah, you can't do that,
Speaker 6: especially after what you just read. I can't see how that.
Speaker 4: Really hard going twelve and five three straight seasons, Because
Speaker 4: let's say you have regular season success next year, Let's
Speaker 4: say you go fourteen and three.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Oh, I know I've been thinking about.
Speaker 4: No, there's gonna be zero confidence from the fan base.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be okay. Well, let's let's see next week
Speaker 4: talking about the playoffs.
Speaker 6: I just I gotta throw something in here. I know
Speaker 6: some people aren't gonna like this, but you know, I've
Speaker 6: seen I've seen the posts. I've seen people talk about
Speaker 6: how well we maybe you just shouldn't go to the games.
Speaker 6: Show them by not going to the games. Well, people
Speaker 6: are going to go to the games. I mean, it's
Speaker 6: an event. There's only eight home games. But I will say,
Speaker 6: but Jerry will see and he'll he'll he'll be very
Speaker 6: aware of you run it back like that. I'll tell
Speaker 6: you what where you will see the difference. You ain't
Speaker 6: gonna see the T shirts being sold.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna see the hoodies, the hats, the gear.
Speaker 6: There's gonna be other things that the cowboys are involved
Speaker 6: in that you'll see people just be like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: good right now, man, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta do something.
Speaker 6: So that's why, in knowing how he is as a businessman,
Speaker 6: I think he knows exactly what you're saying like, there's
Speaker 6: no way I can just run it back and say no,
Speaker 6: let's just try and do this again. Not after an
Speaker 6: ending like that, you win the first two losing, Sam
Speaker 6: fran I know to be ugly. I understand people be like,
Speaker 6: third straight season the Niners ended it. It's the least
Speaker 6: NFC championship game. You might be able to do something
Speaker 6: there this, I don't see how you can run it back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with all the pieces that are in place, main pieces,
Speaker 4: so we could talk about coaching staff, Dak Prescott, defensive stars,
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons, whatever, you have the same main pieces in
Speaker 4: place going into next season, you would probably have less
Speaker 4: confidence with that team being fourteen and three going into
Speaker 4: the playoffs if as compared to if you make a
Speaker 4: big splash in the offseason, whether it be a coaching
Speaker 4: or a big free agent edition or a splash draft
Speaker 4: and going to the playoffs eleven and six, there's probably
Speaker 4: more confidence in that eleven and sixteen that has something
Speaker 4: different than this fourteen and three team that has gone
Speaker 4: to the playoffs three years in a row and has
Speaker 4: fallen short of expectations.
Speaker 7: That's just me thinking, yeah, I hear you, guys, thinking,
Speaker 7: and I know, obviously I've been watching all the shows
Speaker 7: and reading all the articles and getting everybody responsive.
Speaker 5: Of course, what would you like about it?
Speaker 7: Human behavior right now, the human behavior cycle, just speaking
Speaker 7: in regards what I was just mentioning about how I
Speaker 7: believe that mister Jones was hurt.
Speaker 5: After hurt would comes, what happens? What's the next year?
Speaker 5: Nah anger? Right? Scorched earth?
Speaker 7: And anybody who knows the history of mister Jones when
Speaker 7: he's pissed off, don't even make eye contact in the hallway,
Speaker 7: right if don't sneeze, don't yawn, don't anything. I think
Speaker 7: he's about to go scorched earth. And I'm not sure
Speaker 7: what that looks like. I'm not sure what that looks like.
Speaker 7: And I'm not sure how he can how he can
Speaker 7: detach personally now his surrounding support system, Will McLay, you know,
Speaker 7: Stephen Jones.
Speaker 5: And everybody else that has a part in.
Speaker 7: Speaking some wisdom in his ear or even amongst the
Speaker 7: wisdom that he already has himself, is going to have
Speaker 7: a big role because emotionally, he's going to have to
Speaker 7: try to hone himself in because of the hurt, because
Speaker 7: of the pain because of the embarrassment, because of the repeated,
Speaker 7: repeated offenses of the playoffs, coming short in the playoffs,
Speaker 7: because of the timeline that he feels like he's up agains.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have to.
Speaker 7: Try to bring in as much rationale as possible and
Speaker 7: is for everybody, and I'm sure we'll hit on this
Speaker 7: every there's a lot of people saying, you.
Speaker 5: Know, just just get rid of everything. I'm not so sure.
Speaker 3: I don't think blowing up.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I don't think blowing it up to answer, And I
Speaker 7: honestly don't think that they're people aren'tnna agree with this.
Speaker 7: I don't feel as if there needs to be a
Speaker 7: lot of change inside the building. I truly don't agree.
Speaker 7: I think that the area that your organization has been
Speaker 7: struggling with consistently not the regular season.
Speaker 5: It's the playoffs.
Speaker 7: And I know there's a head coach out there that's
Speaker 7: on TV right now interviewing for coaches.
Speaker 5: He's don't bring don't look to bring in double B.
Speaker 5: This is my suggestion.
Speaker 7: If I'm running things around here, I am trying to
Speaker 7: pitch Bill Belichick to come in as a as a consultant.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can listen to you on that.
Speaker 6: The problem with and I he is the odds on
Speaker 6: favorite if they were going in another direction to be
Speaker 6: the coach by no, but be that. But my thing
Speaker 6: with Bill Belichick is I wonder how relatable he is
Speaker 6: now to today's players, just like the way that his
Speaker 6: style is, especially as you watch every branch from his
Speaker 6: tree go somewhere else and be an epic failure. There's
Speaker 6: part of you that's got to sit back and go,
Speaker 6: hey man, you're a legend. Statues, all of that, arguably
Speaker 6: the greatest ever. I don't know how like I could
Speaker 6: see him coming in here trying to do it his way,
Speaker 6: you know, iron fist all that stuff, and it being like,
Speaker 6: oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah. That's why. That's why I don't say coach.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I say as a consultant, because name one
Speaker 7: person that's better prepared for playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But I don't think he would take that over. I
Speaker 6: don't think he would take it over head coaching.
Speaker 8: Up.
Speaker 1: He's going to get a head coaching job.
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying this is just a suggestion of money.
Speaker 7: May I I was in a position I'm pitching him
Speaker 7: to come in as a consult I'm not sure that
Speaker 7: he wants to be a head coach again.
Speaker 1: I'm not it's a really good chances of the Atlanta Falthons.
Speaker 7: I think there's a possibility, but I'm not sure that
Speaker 7: he really wants to be a head coach again. Right,
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of responsibility. You gotta build a culture,
Speaker 7: you gotta build it up. It takes years, right, and
Speaker 7: he's up against a clock as well.
Speaker 6: But I feel them as a consultant is any undermining the
Speaker 6: head coach, because the head coach is just always like
Speaker 6: allow Bills over there.
Speaker 5: This listen up.
Speaker 7: Where have you proven to me as of late that
Speaker 7: you're coming up short on this coaching stwn?
Speaker 5: Not the regular season, it's the playoffs.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I'm gonna bring somebody else in who has
Speaker 7: a different perspective, who has a lot more success and
Speaker 7: that department, right, and I'm gonna lean on him, and
Speaker 7: I want you to lean on him in terms of preparation,
Speaker 7: in terms of analyzing yourself, right, in terms of not
Speaker 7: being repetitive in some of the things that you're doing offensively, defensively.
Speaker 7: Whatever it might have been that people feel like we
Speaker 7: were doing the same type of things and scouting yourself.
Speaker 7: That's where I'm leaning on. I think that would be
Speaker 7: my answer to it right now. Obviously I'm not getting
Speaker 7: paid to do this, okay, but I believe that they
Speaker 7: don't need to blow up as much as people think,
Speaker 7: because I think I don't believe that Cowboys Nation is
Speaker 7: willing to go through the pain of rebuilding and going
Speaker 7: through the pain of trying to send back to even
Speaker 7: where you are today.
Speaker 6: Well, the other part of it is they have too
Speaker 6: many key young pieces that you would be foolish to
Speaker 6: just go, yeah, I know, young, good player, get them
Speaker 6: out here.
Speaker 1: We got to start over.
Speaker 6: I don't want a single player in this roster was
Speaker 6: here the last year that you can't do that. That doesn't
Speaker 6: make any sense that that would be foolish to do that.
Speaker 6: I will say one thing I've thought about a lot
Speaker 6: recently is just the whole idea of like how come
Speaker 6: they keep falling short in the playoffs? And I'm not
Speaker 6: saying this is the reason, but I do believe it's
Speaker 6: a factor. And maybe it's only one percent, but I
Speaker 6: wonder if the star has gotten so big that the
Speaker 6: pressure in the playoffs is too much for these guys nowadays.
Speaker 6: I mean the social media, the constant TV attention. You know,
Speaker 6: when the Cowboys lose, it's a bigger deal than when
Speaker 6: most teams win. Last year San Francisco game was an
Speaker 6: eye opener for me with that, it was it was
Speaker 6: very fascinating to watch the whole I don't understand why
Speaker 6: all nationally there isn't all this talk about, man, this
Speaker 6: is the Niners year. Whatever it was that was like
Speaker 6: maybe ten percent, ninety percent was a Cowboys choke again,
Speaker 6: blah blah blah whatever. Like I wonder if today's player
Speaker 6: who hears every little thing, I wonder if the pressure
Speaker 6: of the playoffs has become so much that soon as
Speaker 6: something goes wrong, it is it just it's they tense
Speaker 6: up or whatever. And the only way that could change is,
Speaker 6: to your point, would be with at the leadership standpoint.
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people will talk on any
Speaker 6: new general manager all that that's not going to change,
Speaker 6: But there's just something about them going into these games,
Speaker 6: especially these these last two playoff games at home, where
Speaker 6: you're just like, man, they don't even look like if
Speaker 6: you took the jerseys off them and just you would
Speaker 6: look like that's not even a team that belongs in
Speaker 6: the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's been stunning.
Speaker 3: I might disagree with you here, Isaiah.
Speaker 4: I do not believe Bill Belichick is looking for anything
Speaker 4: other than a head coaching or GM uppert and and
Speaker 4: GM opportunity.
Speaker 3: He wants full control. I'd be shocked if he doesn't
Speaker 3: end up.
Speaker 1: With I think he wants a record. I think he
Speaker 1: wants a head coaching.
Speaker 3: Fifteen wins away from the head coaching wins record.
Speaker 4: He's he's going to go be a coach somewhere, and
Speaker 4: I don't feel like that would be here, even if
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones decides to move.
Speaker 3: On for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: Now playing it to your point, though, there's a guy
Speaker 4: who used to coach up in Seattle not too long
Speaker 4: ago who might fit more of the bill you're looking for.
Speaker 4: The bill you're looking for to come in as as
Speaker 4: an analyst maybe or as an advisor building.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they did, how would you feel
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 4: And he's in his press conference whenever he was let go,
Speaker 4: he was kind of firing an ownership a little bit.
Speaker 4: It would not surprise me if he ends up somewhere else.
Speaker 4: If if the right opportunity were to present itself. But
Speaker 4: that's a guy who's won at every level he's been at.
Speaker 4: I think that would be a little bit more interesting there,
Speaker 4: and who knows, that might even be a candidate if
Speaker 4: if Jerry Jones decides to move on from Mike McCarthy
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Speaker 3: John, did you get him in this morning?
Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't get anything in.
Speaker 4: This Morningyah me neither. All right, we're not gonna ask
Speaker 4: anybody else.
Speaker 3: I sure did. Man, we have our first caller on
Speaker 3: the line. Do do we be already?
Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's uh is it Kyle and Indianapolis? Is that is? That?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: Who it is?
Speaker 15: Kyle and Indianapolis? And I just got my Quaker oats in.
Speaker 15: I do idea, I got you brow nice. It was
Speaker 15: the hotel lobby. Is what got it done this morning?
Speaker 15: For sure?
Speaker 4: Uh, Kyle, go ahead and tell us what you're up
Speaker 4: there for and then kind of give us your thoughts
Speaker 4: on this. This uh, just everything that's happened in the last
Speaker 4: forty eight hours too.
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is this was a pre scheduled thing. So
Speaker 15: it's not like I just picked up the bags and
Speaker 15: ran ason. Is what happened on Sunday happening? But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 15: calling the Purdue at Indiana men's basketball game tonight for
Speaker 15: Compass Radio Network, so national radio network. So if you
Speaker 15: if you have anything going on tonight and you're running around,
Speaker 15: you can listen to it, or you could stop down
Speaker 15: and I'll tweet out a link and I'll put it
Speaker 15: on Instagram here in a little while as well.
Speaker 3: But moved on to basketball season fast.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that it didn't last long, right, Yeah, excited about
Speaker 15: the game, but pretty pretty bummed out still about the Cowboys.
Speaker 15: And I tweeted this out yesterday, but it feels like
Speaker 15: a bad dream every time that you you kind of
Speaker 15: wake up and you look back at what happened, just
Speaker 15: because of the expectation that was there and then the
Speaker 15: letdown that was there as well. I think that was
Speaker 15: what hurt the most is not only did you get
Speaker 15: blown out, and I watched the beginning of the show
Speaker 15: and you, I mean neviled it right on the head.
Speaker 15: Even if they go and score and make it a
Speaker 15: one possession game, that was a blowout loss to Green Bay.
Speaker 15: They controlled you in every aspect of the game, and
Speaker 15: they executed their game plan and you were expected to
Speaker 15: do that. You were at home. You're the only home
Speaker 15: team in the wild Card Round to lose a game
Speaker 15: after you had won sixteen straight at home. So it's frustrating,
Speaker 15: it really is. And I don't blame Cowboys Nation for
Speaker 15: remaining frustrated even after forty eight hours and seeing the
Speaker 15: Eagles fall on Monday Night football. I just it was
Speaker 15: a disappointment across the board. And I don't think you
Speaker 15: could point it in one specific direction. But if you
Speaker 15: got to point it in one direction, it may just
Speaker 15: go right back to your head coach. And that's unfortunate
Speaker 15: because he has had a ton of success. He's won
Speaker 15: a lot of games in the regular season. But when
Speaker 15: you're one and three in the playoffs, two at home
Speaker 15: in the playoffs, it's ultimately, I think, going to reflect
Speaker 15: on what you do in terms of getting those guys ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's certainly a solid point there. And there's
Speaker 4: a lot of questions that are going to have to
Speaker 4: be answered. Again I said in a previous segment, that's
Speaker 4: going to be have to be answered this week, it's
Speaker 4: gonna have to be answered in the rest of the offseason.
Speaker 4: If you're Jerry Jones right now, what are you mulling over?
Speaker 4: And I don't think there's a correct or wrong answer
Speaker 4: to that question. I think there's a lot of things
Speaker 4: that you look at. There's different possibilities. H Kyle lasting here,
Speaker 4: what is one big offseason change that would give you
Speaker 4: confidence going into Hawk start next year?
Speaker 15: Uh Man, that's tough. I think it would. I think
Speaker 15: it would need to be multiple changes, and maybe not
Speaker 15: even that head coach, but just across the board, and
Speaker 15: because even if you make a change at head coach,
Speaker 15: my thought is, who do you go get. I mean,
Speaker 15: I know the name Bill Belicheck is out there. I
Speaker 15: know Mike Rabel's out there. Pete Carroll technically is not
Speaker 15: a head coach anymore, but he's in a position that
Speaker 15: I think he's happy in. What excites me is is
Speaker 15: maybe just finding better players. I don't know. It really
Speaker 15: is one of those where it does. It's not an
Speaker 15: easy answer, and I think this is the most pivotal
Speaker 15: Cowboys offseason that we've had in a long time. Because
Speaker 15: you can't sit there and do nothing. That's my thing is.
Speaker 15: You can't just run it back and go back into
Speaker 15: it and say, hey, let's let's try and put the
Speaker 15: same roster on the table that just went twelve and
Speaker 15: five and lost in the wild card round and just
Speaker 15: hope it goes better next time. You can't do that. Sure,
Speaker 15: you can do yourself a favor by maybe getting ahead
Speaker 15: and signing the cornerstone pieces of your franchise that are
Speaker 15: coming up closer to the contract time, like a CD
Speaker 15: Lamb or a Micah Parsons or whoever. But don't don't
Speaker 15: just sign contracts to sign contracts, and don't just make
Speaker 15: changes to make changes. I want to see a considerable
Speaker 15: plan moving forward. That's my number one concern and something
Speaker 15: that I want to see at least this offseason. You
Speaker 15: may have to make some moves up top, but just
Speaker 15: make sure that you have a plan in doing so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Kyle, appreciate you hopping on man.
Speaker 4: Good luck with the call tonight. Stay safe, safe travels
Speaker 4: back so we can be back on the show here
Speaker 4: with you. I don't even know when the next show
Speaker 4: would be, but whenever the next show would be to
Speaker 4: have you back, man.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I appreciate you, guys. I'll have fun and keep
Speaker 15: the therapy session going, gentle.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, get a picture with Zach Edie.
Speaker 15: Okay, I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1: How tall are you?
Speaker 15: I'm six foot three and he's like a solid seven.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm watching some of his highlights right now.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that'll be great and fine, man, Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: There's a question here on the text line from the
Speaker 4: two one nine This is It's not a question, it's
Speaker 4: more of a statement and it kind of goes into
Speaker 4: your point John of talking about the pressure of playing
Speaker 4: in the playing in the playoffs for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4: He said, if the pressure is too much, send them
Speaker 4: to the Yankees organization. They'll teach them how to deal
Speaker 4: with high expectations. Twenty eight World Series titles, I guess
Speaker 4: it is for the Yankees, the last one.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it's been a while. It's been a while,
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: When social media really started taking off.
Speaker 4: That's that's a valid point as well. That's a valid
Speaker 4: point as well. A couple of really good questions in
Speaker 4: here as well. I kind of dive through them, but
Speaker 4: we're gonna go to our second caller technically, but our
Speaker 4: first fan caller, Josh in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Josh, what's on your mind?
Speaker 15: How are we doing?
Speaker 8: Gentlemen?
Speaker 3: Doing well?
Speaker 15: Good?
Speaker 16: Good, long time every day listener with you guys. You
Speaker 16: guys are awesome. What a debacle of epic proportions that.
Speaker 15: That game was.
Speaker 16: For sure, I know you guys are going to be
Speaker 16: honest with the fans, with the team, with everybody, and
Speaker 16: I appreciate your honesty. So I've got two questions for
Speaker 16: you guys, and then I'll hang up and let you
Speaker 16: guys discuss me. If if I repeat myself, I apologize
Speaker 16: if you've already answered these questions. The first one is,
Speaker 16: you know I've asked this before and throughout the year,
Speaker 16: and Isaiah, you could probably answer this better than most.
Speaker 16: What was the game plan for the offense of the defense?
Speaker 16: It looked like we were just lost out there, players
Speaker 16: missing assignment, not knowing what routes to run. It just
Speaker 16: looked like a gomb to be honest, that's my first question,
Speaker 16: what was the game plan? And the second question is.
Speaker 15: Going forward?
Speaker 16: Honestly, is this team equipped to make a deeper run
Speaker 16: than just the divisional round like last year? I mean,
Speaker 16: I just feel like we set ourselves up for failure.
Speaker 16: We have all this talent and we can't get over
Speaker 16: the hump, and so we need to have some honest conversations.
Speaker 16: Is this team ready to take the next leap? I
Speaker 16: appreciate you guys have a great day.
Speaker 6: It's one thing I just want to say before you
Speaker 6: guys ad I just think it's the other thing that
Speaker 6: factors in on the whole blowing of the team. To
Speaker 6: be to win twelve games each of the last three
Speaker 6: years in the regular season. That's hard in any any era,
Speaker 6: But It's particularly hard right now because of the parody
Speaker 6: the way your schedule changes every year. If you're good
Speaker 6: the year before, you're getting a tougher schedule. The year
Speaker 6: after you if you're good again, you're getting a tougher schedule.
Speaker 6: They so I get annoyed by people. I just scoff
Speaker 6: at that, like nobody cares. It's it's really tough to
Speaker 6: do in today's NFL to run that back. You so
Speaker 6: to sit there and just say, oh, hey, let's just
Speaker 6: blow this thing up. There's a part of me that
Speaker 6: could see that a little bit when I'm watching an
Speaker 6: Eagles game yesterday, because there's some older players and you're
Speaker 6: just kind of like, hey, you need to shake some
Speaker 6: I just look at where this team's at right now
Speaker 6: and just blowing it up on the field. That just
Speaker 6: doesn't that doesn't sound like a wise decision. If you
Speaker 6: think that's the best decision right now, go ahead and
Speaker 6: sleep on it for a couple more days, because I
Speaker 6: think when you look back on it, you're going to
Speaker 6: think that that's not the answer.
Speaker 1: You can do a lot more harm than good.
Speaker 6: I think that there's tweaks here and there that you
Speaker 6: can make that can get you to that next level.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what did you think on the game plan?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree with you on that in regards
Speaker 7: to a game plan. Thanks for calleg Josh Offensively. Offensively,
Speaker 7: you wanted to try to play keep a w but
Speaker 7: there was a team that got to the scoreboard first,
Speaker 7: Green Bay disrupted what your initial game plan was. You
Speaker 7: went out there, you tried to run the ball and
Speaker 7: you couldn't do so they were not running the ball
Speaker 7: effectively ended up putting on their first series obviously, so
Speaker 7: then you're right smack dab in trouble. You're playing from
Speaker 7: behind passing game. I hate to say this word, but
Speaker 7: it was predictable. It was predictable, and we've talked about it.
Speaker 7: We talked about it earlier in the season. How with
Speaker 7: the West Coast offense, you could run the same place,
Speaker 7: but you have to run it from different formations, different
Speaker 7: personnel group, has different motions. You have to move it
Speaker 7: around to make it look and appear different than what
Speaker 7: it actually is, and there wasn't a lot of that
Speaker 7: in this game. So because of that stagnant look appearance,
Speaker 7: it was predictable.
Speaker 5: From the defense.
Speaker 7: There's miscommunication between DAK and CD I felt as if
Speaker 7: the routes that CD running were accurate routes. I felt
Speaker 7: like Dak was DAK went back to last year Dak,
Speaker 7: and I don't want to place this on one person,
Speaker 7: but I felt the frustration for CD. The ball placement
Speaker 7: of Dak was terrible based upon the routes that CD
Speaker 7: was running, based upon where the passing lanes were, based
Speaker 7: upon where the gaps and the defense were, Dak was
Speaker 7: not on even when CD was open Dak. I mean
Speaker 7: CD's breaking out, Dak's throwing inside, you know, away from
Speaker 7: his momentum and high and things of that nature. So
Speaker 7: he wasn't putting the ball in position for guys to
Speaker 7: be able to do anything with it. Nevertheless, even catch it.
Speaker 7: He went back to not reading coverages. Unfortunately, they were
Speaker 7: not running complicated coverages. They were playing very soft defense.
Speaker 7: Majority of the time. They were playing Cover four or
Speaker 7: Cover three. Every so often they'll sprinking into a man,
Speaker 7: but they were playing ben but don't break defense, Like, hey,
Speaker 7: you're not beating us over the top. We know you
Speaker 7: don't want to work your way down the field.
Speaker 3: Especially with twenty seven to nothing lead.
Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely, so they did that, and they really screwed
Speaker 7: around with DAK with those safeties. That's something that's causing
Speaker 7: problems in the past, pre snap reed to post snap
Speaker 7: reed and not making the adjustment. I mean there was
Speaker 7: times where I was literally explaining it to some of
Speaker 7: our one of our staff members here breaking down coverages
Speaker 7: and helping them understand where the holes and the coverages are.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, here's the pre snap Reid. We're
Speaker 5: actually watching the game.
Speaker 7: Literally, I'm drawing stuff up with figurines and everything else
Speaker 7: on the table, and I'm like, this is cover two.
Speaker 7: Now it might be covered four of this. That's that's
Speaker 7: pre snap. Now let's see what happens postnapp. As soon
Speaker 7: as the ball snap, Okay, here comes to safety is
Speaker 7: cover three? As soon as I said cover three, Pick
Speaker 7: six didn't see it. He was throwing it as if
Speaker 7: it was still cover four, but had went to cover three.
Speaker 7: So there was a man there that normally wouldn't be
Speaker 7: there and cover four, but he was there in cover three.
Speaker 7: But you have to see that. So there was things
Speaker 7: that DAK reverted back to. That was the offensive all right,
Speaker 7: So you got behind, couldn't run the ball to sustain
Speaker 7: drives and then you're passing game was crap. Defensively, I
Speaker 7: was just telling this John in the break, you had
Speaker 7: to become a defense that you haven't been all year.
Speaker 7: And as many people that are coming at dan Quinn
Speaker 7: right now, First of all, yes, he had a bad
Speaker 7: game calling, calling the game.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, he can't play for
Speaker 5: his guys.
Speaker 7: You you expect your guys, the best pass rush in
Speaker 7: the game to get home.
Speaker 5: They didn't get home.
Speaker 7: You expect them to be able to stop the run
Speaker 7: and ask them to stop the run versus a prey
Speaker 7: pretty simplistic zone running scheme. They didn't really do that
Speaker 7: at all. Secondary wise, you couldn't play the type of
Speaker 7: defense that you wanted to play that you're accustomed to playing.
Speaker 7: You're accustomed to playing man to man defense, you know, press, man,
Speaker 7: off man, whatever is man that Dallas was number one
Speaker 7: in the league this year playing man and man coverage
Speaker 7: and you couldn't do so. I think I might have
Speaker 7: mentioned it last week on the show after gilmour injury.
Speaker 7: I said, it's going to be very interesting to see
Speaker 7: how he approaches his game because he cannot.
Speaker 5: Be the same player that he was.
Speaker 7: I don't want to I didn't want to project that
Speaker 7: onto him, but I was saying based upon my personal
Speaker 7: experience with that injury, which we perceived it to be.
Speaker 5: I perceived it to be the same injury I had
Speaker 5: sustained three years in a row.
Speaker 7: I knew that he was not going to physically be
Speaker 7: able to play man to man defense. And what do
Speaker 7: we see a lot of Cover three and it's come
Speaker 7: out that he's torres later, I knew it, Yep, I
Speaker 7: gotta have surgeries. I can't say that on the air
Speaker 7: because I'm not the guy's back there looking at his MRI.
Speaker 7: But I played with that two years in a row,
Speaker 7: so I knew he was being a dog. I knew
Speaker 7: he was playing through pain. I knew that he was
Speaker 7: gonna get, you know, all kinds of medicine and braces
Speaker 7: and all that stuff, and he was gonna play. But
Speaker 7: what did I say, He's not gonna be the same guy,
Speaker 7: and he was unable to play man to man press
Speaker 7: and play physical. Playing man to man defense requires you
Speaker 7: to be physical, whether you're playing man to man press
Speaker 7: at the line of scrimmage or whether you're playing five
Speaker 7: yards off. At some point in time, I gotta get
Speaker 7: my hands on your neck, and if I have a
Speaker 7: jacked up shoulder, I can't right be hesitant and I'm
Speaker 7: gonna be second guess anything that I naturally would do.
Speaker 7: So what do you do to take some of that
Speaker 7: stress off of your players? Let's go to the zone. Well,
Speaker 7: you haven't been playing a ton of zone, so now
Speaker 7: what happens? So now what happens is zone. I talked
Speaker 7: about this too, right, and you guys could look at
Speaker 7: the film room. I said, these guys run a lot
Speaker 7: of three by one sets, and what a three by
Speaker 7: one sets do when you try to play zone?
Speaker 5: They flood you.
Speaker 7: It's very difficult in terms of communication, in terms of
Speaker 7: who has who responsibilities. That guy's going over there. Okay,
Speaker 7: we're only three guys that are responsible for going deep.
Speaker 7: What happens when we got four guys going deep?
Speaker 5: Right? Now, what happens?
Speaker 7: You drop coverages? And that's exactly what happened. You saw miscommunication.
Speaker 7: You saw guys that are booty button that can open,
Speaker 7: and it's unfortunate. And I felt for Dan quick because
Speaker 7: I'm like, there's nothing else he could do. There's nothing
Speaker 7: else he can do. He's calling what he can call
Speaker 7: based upon what his personnel allows for him to call
Speaker 7: and they're not executing.
Speaker 4: So you're telling me A random play in Washington during
Speaker 4: a blowout in week eighteen in which Stefan Gilmour entered
Speaker 4: his shoulder wrote the end for the Dallas Cowboys in it.
Speaker 5: Changed the game player.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know how, And that totally makes tons
Speaker 6: of sense for why there were uncharacteristic type of openings
Speaker 6: and on the back end of that defense and some
Speaker 6: of the touchdowns they gave up and things like that,
Speaker 6: and that sucks. But injuries happen, but not really on
Speaker 6: the offense. He had the whole crew there at home too.
Speaker 6: It shouldn't be any communicating communication issues. You're at home,
Speaker 6: so you can give up those points, but you should
Speaker 6: be scoring them right back against that it was the
Speaker 6: Green Bay Packers, and honestly, I want to take the
Speaker 6: Packers out of it because the way the Cowboys played,
Speaker 6: it really didn't matter who the other team was.
Speaker 7: Could have played a seven on seven, Yeah, it would
Speaker 7: have been the same result. It was that bad in
Speaker 7: terms of communication.
Speaker 6: I'm fascinated to watch this Packers Niners game because I
Speaker 6: think it could be like real ugly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we come back out of our second break,
Speaker 4: we'll touch on our final caller, and then we'll also
Speaker 4: touch on the wrapping this up. As the Cowboys season
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Speaker 4: We're gonna go to our final caller, Brian in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Brian, what's on your mind?
Speaker 8: Good morning, gentlemen.
Speaker 5: How you doing.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Man. I can't believe
Speaker 8: Kyle Abandon that time I read.
Speaker 5: A private jit and took off to Indiana and beyond people.
Speaker 8: I'm just telling you, and I had a question for him.
Speaker 8: I wanted to know who what who they picked out
Speaker 8: for the Draft show this year, and now I'm mad
Speaker 8: that he's not there to answer.
Speaker 4: Well, I can kind of answer that for you with
Speaker 4: the Raft show will start this week. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I have the right to say who's going to
Speaker 4: be on the show, but it's, uh, look look for tomorrow,
Speaker 4: look for tomorrow.
Speaker 8: After that, I appreciate it. Uh So, you know, you
Speaker 8: guys talked a little bit about the defense, and I
Speaker 8: wondered too why the defense looked so different than what
Speaker 8: we've seen most of the year. And you know, not
Speaker 8: being able to jam people at the line of scrimmage
Speaker 8: makes sense for maybe why they couldn't play their their
Speaker 8: regular coverages and it it. You know, maybe this has
Speaker 8: an impact on the question I was going to ask too.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 8: So and I will say before I ask the question,
Speaker 8: I will say there's nobody out there that excites me
Speaker 8: as a coach right now, including Belichick. I agree that
Speaker 8: Belichick I think is I think his days are passed
Speaker 8: in terms of modern players, and he hasn't been a
Speaker 8: good coach for the for the Patriots for the last
Speaker 8: few years either. You know, they had an epic failure
Speaker 8: this year. Ye. So, but Uh, the actually have two questions,
Speaker 8: one who when going into the draft, what positions do
Speaker 8: you guys want to see upgraded? And then the other
Speaker 8: question I had was about Quinn. But you know, we
Speaker 8: kind of just said, well, maybe he just wasn't capable
Speaker 8: of playing the defense he's used to. But he's now
Speaker 8: associated with two epics postseason failures. What does that do
Speaker 8: to his stock for this offseason? And I'll hang up
Speaker 8: and listen to y'all's answer. Have a great day.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much, Brian isaam.
Speaker 7: So in terms of who, what position group I would
Speaker 7: like to see addressed in the off season, it's the
Speaker 7: same as it was last year. His offensive line last
Speaker 7: year the first first round Seger, I want an office line.
Speaker 7: I was myself, Nay, everybody was beating the dog on
Speaker 7: table for it.
Speaker 3: Nate was yesterday.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been the same. We've been saying the same
Speaker 7: thing for a while. Now needs to be addressed. You
Speaker 7: shouldn't have taken you having to sit Tyran Smith out,
Speaker 7: you know, to realize that, oh we might need to
Speaker 7: address this. So that's something that I hopefully they will
Speaker 7: address with a high pick.
Speaker 5: Higher pick. In terms of Dan Quinn, was that the
Speaker 5: next question?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, dan Quinn as a he took Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 7: organization that was pretty much crap, took them all the
Speaker 7: way to the super Bowl again, had an epic meltdown
Speaker 7: at the super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Again. Coaches can't do everything.
Speaker 7: I'm not That doesn't alleviate them from the responsibility. But
Speaker 7: I'm sure that game haunts him more than anything. And
Speaker 7: it's a heck of an example to have. And it
Speaker 7: has no relation to this game, and I would tell
Speaker 7: you if it did. I love DQ, that's my dude,
Speaker 7: but I hold him accountable just like I hold anybody
Speaker 7: else accountable.
Speaker 5: This game.
Speaker 7: Was a very frustrating game for him, not only from
Speaker 7: the standpoint of what he was able to call because
Speaker 7: of the capabilities of his players, but also because of
Speaker 7: the execution.
Speaker 5: Damn yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: This kind of leads into a text we got from
Speaker 4: the nine oh one. You need real depth in the
Speaker 4: middle of your defensive core linebacker in safety. That's what's
Speaker 4: killed you. Did you see how they bullied us? And
Speaker 4: that's a That's the thing we've talked about all season
Speaker 4: is under size. When they play against teams that are
Speaker 4: so physical that you see how how different it is.
Speaker 4: And I mentioned this yesterday on kind of the pop
Speaker 4: Up Show that we had One thing that I did
Speaker 4: not factor in last week is how good that Packer's
Speaker 4: offensive line is. And I knew it was good. I
Speaker 4: knew it was solid. I knew they were physical. I
Speaker 4: knew they could bully around.
Speaker 3: They're not going to have, you know, one guy that's
Speaker 3: going to be the maler, but they're going to.
Speaker 5: Have the five unit.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, it's a it's a unit that works really
Speaker 4: well together. And they got into that second level and
Speaker 4: they were doing some dirty work to the mont Clark
Speaker 4: and Marquise Bell, Malie Cook or Jyron Curse everybody in
Speaker 4: the middle of that defensive core.
Speaker 3: I think you need size, and the.
Speaker 4: First round probably not, but the second, third round you
Speaker 4: got to start addressing the size.
Speaker 5: Size.
Speaker 7: Size is one thing more for me is more attitude.
Speaker 7: For me, it's more a definitely you need size. Definitely
Speaker 7: you need size. But if you put a now I
Speaker 7: was about the say a name. Oh, I've known some
Speaker 7: very large linebackers along the way that wire workout warriors
Speaker 7: that were softest tissue paper. So size is one aspect,
Speaker 7: but you gotta have some you gotta have a dog.
Speaker 7: You gotta have some dogs man at the linebacker at
Speaker 7: this second level, but you also have to keep guys
Speaker 7: off of the linebackers. So like it goes to the
Speaker 7: interior DEFENSI alignment and you have to get some big fellas.
Speaker 5: I mean you have to. I believe that as much
Speaker 5: as you want.
Speaker 7: To be a high speed, pass rushing type defense, I
Speaker 7: think you need to on first and second down have
Speaker 7: the option to put some some big boys up there,
Speaker 7: to put some big stakes up front to be able
Speaker 7: to discourage the run. So in passing situations now you
Speaker 7: can bring your your your goons in and go back
Speaker 7: and hunt the quarterback. But I don't think that you
Speaker 7: should be asking them to play that the entire game.
Speaker 6: When it goes back to the draft question, I will say,
Speaker 6: so the Cowboys are locked into the twenty fourth pick.
Speaker 6: They've drafted at twenty four three times in the team's history.
Speaker 6: They took Tyler Smith, des Bryant, and Calvin Hill, so
Speaker 6: they've done well at twenty four. And I completely agree.
Speaker 6: I think it's got to be an offensive tackle. Getting
Speaker 6: this offensive line back to being one of the team's strengths,
Speaker 6: getting the running game going helps everything else. We knew
Speaker 6: that was an issue this entire season. So for me,
Speaker 6: first round, if you're asking me, I'm saying, twenty fourth pick,
Speaker 6: offensive lineman, probably offensive tackle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really deep tackle class too, so there's
Speaker 4: gonna be an opportunity to get a high value guy.
Speaker 4: I think at that twenty four spot that you know
Speaker 4: in previous years would probably go a little bit.
Speaker 3: Higher than that.
Speaker 1: And they've been great draft an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: first round.
Speaker 4: So yeah, absolutely, I think that's probably where it starts
Speaker 4: in the first round for me. I think you move
Speaker 4: into Day two, you really got to start addressing defensive
Speaker 4: defensive size for me. I know it's kind of an
Speaker 4: attitude thing as well. But and you get Overshown back
Speaker 4: next year, you get Trevon Diggs back next year. We'll
Speaker 4: see what happens with Layton Van Dersh as well. Hoping
Speaker 4: for the best for him. But there's still things that
Speaker 4: you can help out with the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4: Last thing I want to touch on before we get
Speaker 4: out of here. If Jerry Jones is to move on
Speaker 4: from Mike McCarthy, this is just kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: my thinking here defensive head coach. You know, haven't had
Speaker 4: a defensive head coaching here since Wade Phillips. Correct bringing
Speaker 4: a defensive guy because this team is a defensive team.
Speaker 4: You look at Michael Parsons, you look at Trayvon Diggs,
Speaker 4: those are the young core pieces. Yeah, you can look
Speaker 4: at Ceedee Lamb and Dak Prescott having the season they
Speaker 4: just had. Bringing a coordinator that can work with those
Speaker 4: guys and have solid play calling opportunities and be able
Speaker 4: to put them in positions. A defensive head coach that
Speaker 4: has built around a defensive staff. I think that's what
Speaker 4: could make this team one.
Speaker 6: The interesting thing about that, though, is so you see
Speaker 6: like a lot of names people want to throw a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't see the Cowboys if they.
Speaker 6: Were going another direction to go to a first time
Speaker 6: head coach. So you can like that Ben Jonson's and
Speaker 6: Bobby Slowick, I just don't see that that being something
Speaker 6: here that Jerry would want to do. He's gonna want
Speaker 6: somebody that's got previous head coaching experience. And so when
Speaker 6: you say that for a defensive coach, I mean obviously
Speaker 6: people say like Bill Belichick and things like that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know it's Steve Wilks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough for me to say that they would
Speaker 6: go that Yeah, it's tough for me to say that
Speaker 6: they would go in that direction. But I would be
Speaker 6: stunned if they if they wouldn't if when for a
Speaker 6: first time head coach.
Speaker 1: I just I can't see that happening.
Speaker 4: I'll start by saying i'd be stunned if if McCarthy's out.
Speaker 4: I know some people kind of feel differently about that,
Speaker 4: and I definitely felt the heat on Twitter on that
Speaker 4: on Sunday night, But I just I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see how that happens.
Speaker 5: I could be wrong. I don't either.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but I
Speaker 3: just I don't. I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 3: kind of see as time goes on.
Speaker 7: So, just for clarification purposes, do you believe that coach
Speaker 7: McCarthy will be let go?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't believe. So if I was
Speaker 3: betting right now, I would bet that he's not.
Speaker 5: I would be on that same bag when I I
Speaker 5: don't believe that he's leaving either.
Speaker 1: I would bet that Jerry will move on.
Speaker 6: I just I can't see how how dejected, he was, Yeah,
Speaker 6: so yeah, I'll be surprised if he's back.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 7: be surprised, but I don't. Again, that's why I led
Speaker 7: with he's going to need his supporting cast to help
Speaker 7: him take.
Speaker 5: The motion out of it, true rights. As crazy as
Speaker 5: that said, No, that's a good point.
Speaker 7: That's going to take their emotions out of it and
Speaker 7: try to be as rationale as possible. And for all
Speaker 7: the points we talked about in terms of how hard
Speaker 7: it is to win in this league, to be twelve
Speaker 7: and five three years in a row mean something? Now
Speaker 7: does that mean something to Cowboys Nation? Not at all? Right,
Speaker 7: So what do you do? You find somebody something that
Speaker 7: can help you get over that hurdle just in the
Speaker 7: dog on playoffs.
Speaker 6: I really like Mike McCarthy. I think he's an excellent coach.
Speaker 6: So I'm not the one being having to decide this,
Speaker 6: and really nobody is other than Jerry Jones. And the
Speaker 6: thing I keep coming back to as someone that covers
Speaker 6: the team and you're trying to piece things together is
Speaker 6: the way Jerry looked outside that locker room, the way
Speaker 6: he answered the questions, and I just can't get past
Speaker 6: the week before in Washington when he said all these
Speaker 6: glowing things about Mike, but then at the end so
Speaker 6: that they would take it game by game in the
Speaker 6: playoffs and you know, judging his future in that, and
Speaker 6: so when you factor all that stuff in, that's the
Speaker 6: part that makes it tough for me to sit here
Speaker 6: and go, oh, yeah, you know, he'll be back for
Speaker 6: a year five. The other part is too, is that
Speaker 6: in his fifth in Green Bay, that's when they go
Speaker 6: to chap him on the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that that.
Speaker 6: Will be brought up quite a bit, but I would
Speaker 6: be surprised right now just because, like I said, the
Speaker 6: things I've that Jerry has said, and the way he
Speaker 6: looked after that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Tough see where you're coming from from that.
Speaker 4: From that standpoint, I don't feel like there's a wrong
Speaker 4: decision there that won't be answered until this time next year,
Speaker 4: I guess. But that's gonna be the first big question
Speaker 4: of a lot of questions this offseason. You've got fourteen
Speaker 4: and pending free agents, thirteen that are unrestricted. You've got
Speaker 4: a lot of checks to sign, You've got a lot
Speaker 4: of checks to sign, you got a lot of extensions
Speaker 4: to work out with Ceedee Lamb, Dak Prescott, potentially Michael Parson's,
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard. I mean, there's it goes down the list.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things to work through this offseason.
Speaker 4: We'll be here with you through it. Don't know what
Speaker 4: the podcast schedule will look like as the off season
Speaker 4: goes on.
Speaker 3: That's more of a Chrispyam question. Go fire that off
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 4: But this is this is probably the last one we're
Speaker 4: talking about as far as the twenty twenty three regular
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Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure hosting this one's my first hosting opportunity.
Speaker 4: To shout out to Kyle from Indianapolis for letting me
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