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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My

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Speaker 1: name is Noted. They called me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Deckett. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Quick as we say, peete behind

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Speaker 1: their curtain. The four of us are actually relatively well

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Speaker 1: traveled people. Although I've never been to Antarctica, right right,

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Speaker 1: and that's the subject of today's episode. Very very few

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Speaker 1: people have been. I got very close to go into

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Speaker 1: Antarctica once a number of years ago, Matt. You may

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Speaker 1: remember it was with um with a good friend of ours,

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Speaker 1: friend of the show who does a lot of write

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Speaker 1: ups on the House of Works website about our podcast,

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Speaker 1: Diana Brown. Check out her work if you get a chance.

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Speaker 1: She was going her family was going to go on

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Speaker 1: a group expedition, and Antarctica is one of those places

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Speaker 1: that is very very expensive to go. Uh go to

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Speaker 1: and get the price cuts. Unfortunately that didn't happen. But

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping one day to get to this continent and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it would be a cool thing

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Speaker 1: for all of us to do. Because of all of

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Speaker 1: Earth's continents, Antarctica remains the most mysterious today. It's it's

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Speaker 1: it's no wonder there's not much reason for human beings

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Speaker 1: And for a lot of people this may be weird

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Speaker 1: it was kind of balmy for a while, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And just before we get into that, you you can

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Speaker 1: take a flight cruise to Antarctica. That's probably the easiest way.

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Speaker 1: Even it gets worse when you're an Antarctica. Even even

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Speaker 1: spirit won't take you there. What about virgin I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Richard Branson is trying to go to space. So Antarctica

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Speaker 1: about either environment. That's a very good point. What we

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Speaker 1: do you know about how Antarctica arrived at this strange

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Speaker 1: so we can we can explore that just briefly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: At this point in Antarctica's lifespan, it teamed with plant

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Speaker 1: just the Magellan Straight. Uh. Sorry, Ferdinand, we didn't include that.

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Speaker 1: and so in fifty eight, many decades later, Francis Drake

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Speaker 1: human population of any continent, surprise. Uh, But it also

426
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: has a very international population because none of these people

427
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: are citizens of Antarctica. Instead, they are scientists and staff

428
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: from around thirty countries. They live on seventy different bases.

429
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: About forty of those are year round basis, meaning someone's

430
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: always there. Yeah, even when it becomes impossible to travel

431
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: outside of that base, even when it's like the setting

432
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: and John Carpenter's the thing, someone always there. And the

433
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: other thirty bases are only open in the summer. The

434
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: entire population officially again of Antarctica is about four thousand

435
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: people in summer, one thousand souls in winter. Eleven people

436
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: have been born there. That's incredible. Also makes it the

437
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: continent with the lowest birth rate. Yeah, that makes a

438
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: whole lot of sense. I can only imagine the circumstances

439
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: that would lead to deciding to have your child there.

440
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what if you can't get out, what if

441
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: it's winter there's it would be pretty cool though. Yeah,

442
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: it's a good story if you make it out, you know,

443
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: to be polar baby. So okay there. I know we

444
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have this information, but I wonder in those

445
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: instances of those children being born there, do they take

446
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: the country that runs the base as it like the

447
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: primary country that runs that base is you know who.

448
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: I know, we don't have answer to this, but I

449
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: believe in this is just speculation, but I believe they

450
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: get the nationality of their parents, of the mother. I

451
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: guess makes sense. It would be cool if it was

452
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: just there were eleven Antarctic communities. You're like accidentally Argentinean. Yeah,

453
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: that could get complicated really quickly. If you're one of

454
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: those eleven people listening, are you're related to them? Right?

455
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: And let us know how that how that all works?

456
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: And so that's that's Antarctica today. That's how it got there.

457
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: That's who who lives there now, and generally they're doing

458
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: climate related research, but they're doing another of a number

459
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: of other things as well, especially because of that massive

460
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: ozone hole. But other people have a question, and that

461
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: has haunted people since the eighteen hundreds, since the official

462
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: western discovery of Antarctica. And the question is this, what

463
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 1: if there was something else beneath the frozen wasteland, beneath

464
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: all these glaciers and all these like howling abissle winds.

465
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: What if there was something there before? What if there

466
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: were people there before? Here's where it gets crazy. So

467
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: the hollow earth. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, in this case,

468
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: it's the hollow earth, though donnut theory slightly different things

469
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: sometimes conflated with hollow earth. But yeah, we want to

470
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: keep that straight, right, Well, okay, so I'm just kidding.

471
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: That's not where we're going. We should do it, we should. No, no, no,

472
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're jumping right into Graham Hancock, which is

473
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I think the correct place to start. I'm we have

474
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: to do hollow earth at some point, we will, okay, right,

475
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: all right? So, yeah, as it was saying, we're in

476
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: a century, people have argued, with varying degrees of seriousness,

477
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: that Antarctica may have once been the home to forgotten civilizations.

478
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: In some cases, the stories of this ancient society are

479
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: conflated with other stories of places they're generally thought to

480
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: be mythical, like Atlantis or Limeria. Right. Yeah, it would

481
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense if a lost civilization was

482
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: truly lost because it's covered in ice and there's no

483
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: way to find it, and it's not a lost continent.

484
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: There you are, You're gonna get there. And one thing

485
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: we found pretty interesting comes from Graham Hancock, who is

486
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: a a fringe researcher who write some really fascinating stuff.

487
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: I would say he is exciting to read. I would,

488
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: and I don't find any I don't find major problems

489
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: with like sentence structure or thought structure. He veers off

490
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: a little bit sometimes, but overall, if you're gonna read

491
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: somebody who is writing about these kinds of topics, Graham

492
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Hancock's a good choice. Oh man. He has a great

493
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: take on DNA, to which I don't know, do we ever? God?

494
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so I should do that. That would

495
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: be a good one. So he wrote a book called

496
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Magicians of the Gods, The Forgotten Wisdom of Earth's Lost

497
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: Civilizations an incredible title, Yeah, which is a great and

498
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: it's an update. It's a sequel to a book you

499
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: wrote in nine called Fingerprints of the Gods, The Evidence

500
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: of Earth's Lost Civilizations. This book is massive. If you

501
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: are interested in this sort of alternative history, revisionist stuff,

502
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: this what if ory is a good thing to call it,

503
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: then you have at least heard of this book, Fingerprints

504
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: of the Gods. If you are interested in this and

505
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: you have not read it, I recommend checking it out.

506
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: You can get a cheap paperback copy really easily, and

507
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: you can get it in pretty much whatever language you speak,

508
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: with a lot of exceptions, but there is a good

509
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: chance that you at least can somewhat speak a language

510
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: that it's translated into. Yeah, because it's and what how

511
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: many seven languages sold more than three million copies of

512
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: this book. So in the original book, Fingerprints, Hancock looks

513
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: through all these creation myths in ancient texts, and he

514
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: goes through these various geological scenarios, and his argument is

515
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: that Antarctica moved to the South Pole much more recently

516
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: than we are originally thought, and much more recently than

517
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: the mainten stream focusing today. So instead of um moving

518
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: like thirty four thirty five million years ago getting covered

519
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: with ice all that jazz, he says that it happened

520
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: a little less than twelve thousand, five hundred years ago,

521
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: which means people were around most importantly, and that it

522
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: was it was moved not by a slow continental drift,

523
00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: but instead it was moved relatively suddenly by major quote

524
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: crustal shifts, earthquakes, tectonic plates uh subducting and crashing together

525
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: and tearing apart. But like end of the world stuff

526
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: kind of scenario where if you were on planet Earth

527
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: at that time and that was occurring, it's not good news.

528
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like if the Pacific rim the ring of

529
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: fire uh finally erupted and everything blew up at once,

530
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: and like that the kind of thing that could end

531
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: of civilization if it did exist somewhere. And so, according

532
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: to Hancock, when this cataclysm occurred, several remnants or groups

533
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: or factions of this pre existing ancient civilization were able

534
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: to survive, specifically on Antarctica, at least long enough to

535
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: take their to take trips to other parts of the

536
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: world where people survive, and to give knowledge of things

537
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: like agriculture, certain religious myth practices and folklore and stuff symbolic,

538
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: like the symbolic nature of certain structures, and yeah, exactly,

539
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: it's all the things you end up seeing in all

540
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: these places, right, and maybe to teach um, teach the

541
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: concept of metaphor to people who are having a bicameral

542
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: mind period of civilization, right you, so listen to our

543
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: bi cameral mind episode featuring Joe McCormick. Exactly, it's a

544
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: classic already a classic. That's a good one, right. So, yeah,

545
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: his argument is based on perceived commonalities in ancient civilizations

546
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: like Egypt, Babylon, Meso America, the Old Max and on

547
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: and on and on, things like why do so many

548
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: people build pyramid esque structures, what's the deal with obelisk?

549
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: What's going on? And go go backley tip A. It's weird.

550
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: It's super weird. It's super weird, and it it uh

551
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: pushed the timeline for humanity back much further than we thought,

552
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: or at least for civilization. And so in that first

553
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: book he says the tectonic shifts were the source of

554
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: the ancient civilization's large destruction, but the big differences in

555
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: the second book magicians of the gods. He says, uh,

556
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: we looked back into it and it was actually a

557
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: comet that caused the damage. So he went back and

558
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: forth and he points out things and you know, megaliths,

559
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: cairns tombs, this sort of stonework and masonry you would

560
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: see everywhere. That's his argument and it's not it's not

561
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: taken very seriously by a lot of mainstream archaeologists do

562
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: an anthropologist even do, primarily to the fact that these

563
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: are kind of like chariots of the gods by Eric

564
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: von Danikin. These arguments are made based on his interpretation

565
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: of what he sees. No one's arguing that these ancient

566
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: and structures don't exist in these different parts of the world.

567
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: But he his argument is that, according to him, they're

568
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: very similar. Yeah, because he's he is making connections because

569
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: there there is no tangible connection, so he is kind

570
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: of creating a theory about it, which is you know,

571
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: one of the things you do um in anthropology, you

572
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: try and connect things up. Yeah, but in his case,

573
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: it's a it feels a little more out there and

574
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't go along with a lot of the other

575
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: notions or at least um mainstream notions about how these

576
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: civilizations forms. Yeah. Absolutely. And one of the one of

577
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: the things here that's very important for us to underline

578
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: in the case of Graham Hancock is he's not trying

579
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: to con people. He's not He's not saying things disingenuously.

580
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: He wants you to buy his book. Well, of course

581
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: he wants to buy the book. But he also is

582
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: not trying to purposely put the wool over people's eyes.

583
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: He's not trying to build you. I would agree with that.

584
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: It seems legit, sounds legit then, right, so we're gonna

585
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: leave that there. The idea that's one ancient civilization in

586
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Antarctic idea Atlantis. Who do we have? Now, we've got

587
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: another guy who is an archaeologist and an engineer by

588
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: the name of William James veal Um with two else, yeah,

589
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: two else, Right, Matt, you were in rare form today,

590
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: my friend that so I didn't have a response, It's fine, Uh, yeah.

591
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: So William James veale Um and this guy uses satellite

592
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: technology to find these ruins and kind of find where

593
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: some of these monuments might be hidden by the ice.

594
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: And he studied engineering at basing Stoke and Southampton Colleges

595
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: of Technology and Archaeology at the University of Southampton in

596
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: the UK UM and he is a bit of a tinkerer.

597
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: He designs these unmanned drones um for surveying these completely

598
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: inaccessible areas, and he has a really pretty unique dial

599
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. He is a satellite archaeologist.

600
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: That's my favorite title that I found researching this, because

601
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: that's just gotta sound great when you tell people for

602
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: the first time, wait, hold on, you just get ahold

603
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: of old satellites and you like figure out where the

604
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: satellite came from, how long it's been up there, which

605
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: country you get? Forget about it, little satellite archaeologist over, So,

606
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: do you have to go to space and then you

607
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: know you have your chisel? Okay, you go to Jersey. Okay,

608
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you go to Basingstoke in Southampton Colleges apparently, right, Yeah,

609
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: that's it's spot on. He believes that a prehistoric civilization

610
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: may have sculpted huge human heads, animals, and symbols the

611
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Antarctic terrain, and a very specific part of it apart

612
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: called Cape a Dare, the northeasternmost peninsula of Antarctica, and

613
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like the Nazca lines. That's his argument,

614
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: those um, those huge glyphs built out of earth that

615
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: are only really discernible as pictures from the sky, right,

616
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: which is itself a very interesting story or very interesting mystery. Still,

617
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: and for him these are clearly these are clearly, as

618
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: well said, man made monuments and visible from the air.

619
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: His interpretation knocks a whole lot of people for a loop,

620
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 1: because instantly when you hear someone say, oh, I found

621
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: a gigantic face on the land, right, exactly, that's what

622
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: you think about, right, And you know that's not his fault,

623
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: but it's it's a lot of people. It's similar to

624
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: the claims that there's a huge face, so there's a

625
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: pyramid on Mars. And skeptics see this as an example

626
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: of we can make this our word for the day

627
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: if you want. Periodolia, which is the tendency to see

628
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: patterns in randomness, like when you're hanging out with people.

629
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: And I guess an innocuous version of this would be

630
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: sitting with your friends and you know, saying, oh, this

631
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: cloud looks sort of like this a turtle, Yeah, a

632
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: turtle's and then someone else will be like, yeah, it's

633
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: definitely a turtle, or someone might say no, no, that's

634
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: clearly Christopher Walkin from pulp fiction during the watch speech. Definitely,

635
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: and then the last guys like no, it's your mom.

636
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: You're like dude and someone I find you have to

637
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: see that every time, every time. Yeah, So it could

638
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: just be. The argument goes that with the best of

639
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: intentions is his brain is working over time to make

640
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: order from chaos. But he's responded to this, and Veal

641
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: says that he has quote research satellite imagery and rock

642
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: cut in scriptive material for nearly forty years and of

643
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: necessity had to develop strict criteria to eliminate frequent accusations

644
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: of periodolia. So he's he's familiar with his accusation, and

645
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: he says that he's been working on this for decades.

646
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: He knows the difference between a random shape and a

647
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: cloud and actual language written on something. He also, to

648
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: his credit, invites other experts, especially if they disagree, to

649
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: evaluate his findings. Um, the long and short of it

650
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: is pretty simple. He thinks it's possible that about six

651
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, the ancient Sumerian culture that would be

652
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: located in what's nowadays known as a rock landed in

653
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: this location in Cape a Dare, and the culture was

654
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: the most advanced of his time, and he did ask

655
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: people for help. And if you want to look at

656
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: some of his research, you can go to n A

657
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: S Codex c O D e x dot com and

658
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: you can go here and you can check out I mean,

659
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: it's a text, it's a long text page essentially with

660
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: some images in there. And this is from WILLIAMS. James

661
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: Veals or Veils, it's it's his, it's his website n

662
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: A S C O d e x dot com. And

663
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: one of the people he contacted for help is a

664
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: linguist named Dr Clyde Winters, and he said, Dr Winters,

665
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: could you help me. I believe this is a language.

666
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Could you tell me what this language is, what it says, etcetera.

667
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Dr Winters, it was a legit published academic received these

668
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: images and symbols Veal had taken from his findings, and

669
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: Dr Winters confirmed that these symbols did appear to be

670
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: linear Sumerian, particularly passages that indicated that they were talking

671
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: about some great person or profit. For some people, this

672
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: is a smoking gun, but we have to remember. It's

673
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: possible that Winters was not viewing the actual satellite photos.

674
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: Instead he was viewing possibly recreations of the images. Veal

675
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: thinks that he saw in the original photos. So it

676
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: may have been a It may have been a thing

677
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: where he just got a series of symbols and said, yes,

678
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: these are linear, Samarian, I can tell you a little

679
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: bit about what that means. Yeah, And if you go

680
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: through the website you look at some of these images,

681
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: it is I can understand where where William is coming from,

682
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: like seeing seeing the imagery that he is showing you,

683
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: because it will have some satellite imagery and then what

684
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: he believes like sketched out next to it what he

685
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: believes it is, and some of it does look similar.

686
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: I can see the pattern that he is seeing in there.

687
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: And if I if I look at his picture right,

688
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: if I don't, if I cover up his picture, I

689
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: see absolutely nothing um in the satellite imagery. So do

690
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: you think makes reading tea leaves? I don't know. I

691
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: mean he's he's obviously been doing it forever, so he

692
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: is true he understands it much better than I. But

693
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's tough just looking at it. Well,

694
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: here's here's something interesting that I surprised the hell out

695
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: of me. If okay, it sounds crazy, ancient Samarians making

696
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: it to Antarctica for most of the trip, It's pretty

697
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: possible that they could make it because with the kind

698
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: of maritime technology they had, they could get as far

699
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: south as Tasmania, sticking mainly to coast and just coast hopping.

700
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: They would only really run into a tough, tough stretch

701
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: when they try to go from Tasmania to Antarctica because

702
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: then they have to go over the open ocean in

703
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: a very unfriendly neighborhood of the open ocean. Basically, don't

704
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: do that. But once once they got there, that's where

705
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: it becomes more difficult to believe, because they would need

706
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: they would need tools, time and support to build first

707
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: structures in which they could live, and then they would

708
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: need more help, um quarrying large amounts of stone right

709
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: because it sounds like stone is one of the things

710
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: that Veal says he sees uh. And then they would

711
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: have to be eating the entire time. Man cannot live

712
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: on a penguin alone, right, Yeah, unless they were having

713
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: other ships come through with people they could eat. But

714
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: could you live on fourteen thousand penguins. You could live

715
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: for a while, but you probably encounter rabbit starvation. Yeah,

716
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: that's a bummer. There are no sources of citrus, right, Well,

717
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: maybe seaweed, I could see, I could see seaweed working.

718
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Seaweed is a citrus. Those sources of vitamin sea yeah,

719
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: vitamin seaweed maybe maybe. But that's the thing. It's still

720
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: it's still hard to believe that they would have been

721
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: able to have an adequate food supply, adequate shelter and

722
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: then just built all these rock monuments that are massive

723
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: or at least carvings, like the Nasco lines, or what

724
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: if it's something where they traveled down from South America

725
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: in the summer and then they leave in the winter

726
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: and come back in the summer. You know, that's if

727
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: we're trying to be as generous and fair as possible.

728
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: But then there's this other question. So usually when we

729
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: find ruins of an ancient culture, they we're gonna find

730
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: foundations of old buildings, structures, right, temples, houses, palaces, etcetera.

731
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: Were those are the majority of ancient cultural ruins. It's

732
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: it's more rare to just find monuments by themselves. So

733
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: why would we see monuments but not see the homes

734
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: of the people who lived in the nearby, right, Maybe

735
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: they're just so far covered by the ice. Maybe only

736
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: the monuments are large enough to be visible. Well, maybe

737
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: Graham Hancock's thirteen less than thirteen thousand years ago, Williams

738
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: six thousand years ago. Maybe they're way off on how

739
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: long ago structures were there, because we do know that

740
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: that over time, nature takes over and will erase almost anything.

741
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: It's like weathering and he's like totally wearing down mountains

742
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: over time, and it's crazy. But yeah, i'd love to

743
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: see a time lapse of that. Pretty cool, Yeah, exactly.

744
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: But then you have to start thinking, well, then, how

745
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: old have humans or at least intelligent life actually been

746
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: on this planet? Right right? Which that date keeps. It

747
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: seems to get pushed back further and further every decade,

748
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: you know, new discoveries, new discoveries, going back as far

749
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: as what sixty thou years I think it was one

750
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: of the newer ones. It's at least close to what

751
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: we're aver right now. So there's also an argument that

752
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: we've brought nature into this. There's also an argument that

753
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: maybe the ice on Antarctica is not even if it

754
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: formed millions of years ago, maybe it wasn't as constant

755
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: a presence as we have initially assumed. Interesting, maybe the

756
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: ice ebbed and flowed, you know what I mean, waxed

757
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: and waned. Maybe there were times when the glaciers were

758
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: treated away from coastal areas, right, and maybe they did

759
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: that for long amounts of time. There there's so many possibilities.

760
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: I bet there are scientists out there going, No, absolutely not.

761
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: It's studying this my entire life. And no, you guys

762
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: can't say that, well, we don't know. That's true. We

763
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: don't know, and we're not saying that the entire thing

764
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: is covered with a glacier at this point. It's just

765
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: it's still inhospitable. So we can tell you, however, about

766
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: out a very particular map which for people who believe

767
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: Antarctica may be more familiar to our species than we

768
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: have always assumed. Uh. This is sometimes seen as a

769
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: smoking gun. Stay tuned after the break will introduce you

770
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: to peri Rians. So, Matt, what can you tell us

771
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: about this map? If I can tell you, to watch

772
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: our YouTube video on it. I can't remember the name

773
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: of that YouTube video most serious maps in the keywords

774
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: you can find it. Yeah, it's almost it's it's often

775
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: referred to, incorrectly as the best map of the sixteenth century.

776
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: That people will say that all the time, right, that

777
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: it's and they say it's the best because the claims

778
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: are usually that it's the most accurate, the most complete

779
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: and accurate, the most complete and accurate. Yes, thank you,

780
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: that is not the case. But the Peri Reus map

781
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: r e I S p I r I r e

782
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: I S was made in fift and just to get

783
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: the badger out in the open. Here, it appears to

784
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: depict the coastline of Antarctica free of ice. It appears

785
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: to it appears to, certainly, And it all depends on

786
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. If you're looking at the map itself,

787
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: um generally like I'm looking at it in a vertical way.

788
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: And if you go to Wikipedia dot com, which is

789
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: probably how you're going to find an image of this thing, UM,

790
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: and you're looking at it, I'm trying to see which

791
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: way is true north on here, and I can't tell,

792
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: but it looks like it's oriented as though if you

793
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: turned it ninety degrees to the left that would be north.

794
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: This is hard to do audibly you're doing it, but

795
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: if you're looking at it, there's a land mass to

796
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: the north, and then most of the rest of the

797
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: map is ocean, and then you've got a m I

798
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: reading incorrectly, No, I'm reading that correctly. And then you've

799
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: got another land mass that is to the south like

800
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: kind of I guess southeast to where that other land

801
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: masses above it um. And it's thought that that land

802
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: mass in the south is Antarctica. Sorry, just trying to

803
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: let people see it. If they can't, I mean, that's

804
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: that's a really good explanation walk through, and it's important

805
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: to go look at it for yourself. We do want

806
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: to hear your take on this. So this this map

807
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: has been around for a long long time, and it

808
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: wasn't until nineteen fifty six that people began thinking it

809
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: shows Antarctica. There was a guy named Captain Arlington Humphrey

810
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: Mallory who first proposed this depicted the coastline of Antarctica.

811
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: He was retired military man at this time. He was

812
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: an amateur archaeologist. He also believed in um earlier Western

813
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: Arrival two the New World as it would as it

814
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: would be called at the time. So he thought Celts

815
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: and Vikings and other groups of people, maybe some some

816
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: missionaries from early versions of the Church had arrived at

817
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: the New World in various locations. What's more, maybe made

818
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: maps in some cases, and that these maps were lost

819
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: to later ages, but they were accurate, far beyond what

820
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: most of Europe would have known about at the time.

821
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: And to his credit, the later research did prove, like

822
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: after the fifties, later research did prove that there were

823
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: probably small groups of European descended people who at least

824
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: made it to the far eastern coast of Canada, you

825
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Newfoundland and such, specifically the Vikings.

826
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: Essentially he was right about that part well, and it

827
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: makes you wonder if it's a long journey from the

828
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: area where they would be from down to Antarctica. But

829
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: it does make you wonder if maybe William from earlier,

830
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: who was looking at the satellite imagery, maybe there is

831
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: something there where just small groups of of just ancient

832
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: Europeans ended up there accidentally and then perished. But but

833
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: before they perished made some carvings or got stranded due

834
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: to the treacherous nature of the waves, possibly possibly um

835
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: or even you know, I don't know. We we see

836
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: so many things about out of place artifacts in South America,

837
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: in the Middle East and in China and far reaches

838
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: of Russian stuff that we can say for sure that

839
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's almost certain that print small groups of

840
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: people interacted largely through trade and exploration in ways that

841
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: we have yet to understand. Absolutely, I feel that's it

842
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: is safe to say that. It's actually very safe to

843
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: say that. And your word of the day is anachronism.

844
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Said a word of the day, people, I think everybody

845
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: should be yeah, yeah, but it's fun to say. I

846
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: think that's all it takes. A word of the day.

847
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: It is. It is. If you want to be a

848
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: real uh pedantic nerd insult person, you can always decide

849
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: to call someone anachronistic when you think they're not being cool,

850
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: use it completely inappropriately to but but yes, so all

851
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: that aside. This this map itself is an agglomeration of

852
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty something other earlier maps that already existed before

853
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: it was made in and most cartographers and mainstream historians

854
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: today believe the map does not actually depict Antarctica. That's

855
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: a bummer. It's a bummer because it looks cool. You

856
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: can see how it would You can see how someone

857
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: could look at that and say, holy smokes Antarctica. Uh.

858
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: There's a group called bad Archaeology and they have a

859
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: great rite up on this. We recommend visiting their website

860
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: for more details just google Bad Archaeology peri race. But

861
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: we do have a quote describing their conclusions about this map.

862
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: It shows no unknown lands, least of all Antarctica, and

863
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: contained errors such as Columbus's belief that Cuba was an

864
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: Asian peninsula who swinging a miss Yes, errors that not

865
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: ought to have been present if it derived from extremely

866
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: accurate ancient originals. And it also conforms to the prevalent

867
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: geographical theories of the early sixteenth century UM, including things

868
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: like balancing land masses in the north with others in

869
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: the south to keep the earth from tipping over. Yeah.

870
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that because it's balanced on

871
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: the on the turtles backs true story. Yeah. The the

872
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: idea that the Earth itself is sort of like a

873
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: has its own geographical equilibrium. Too many continents of one

874
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: air quote side or another will inevitably tip the scales

875
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: because it's flat right right. Um. Although it was relatively

876
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: common knowledge at the time that the world was a globe,

877
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: take that for which will the maps is based on

878
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: are older, but they're not. They're not ancient. It's not

879
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: as if they found some six thousand year old Sumarian

880
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: map depicting lands that had never been heard of in

881
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: the modern day and said, let's just copy this, right,

882
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: at least according to the different experts who have exam amend,

883
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: the actual map so unfortunately perious, while being an incredibly

884
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: tantalizing possible indicator of ancient exploration of Antarctic, if not

885
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 1: ancient civilizations in that continent, and just a cool map

886
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: and just a cool map, Unfortunately, it really is a

887
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: tantalizing thing because it doesn't deliver. It doesn't it doesn't

888
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: hold up. Um. But we would be remiss if we

889
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: did not shout out something completely different. I think the

890
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: thing that we're all fans of, which is HP Lovecraft,

891
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: the author of The Mountains of Madness, UH famous author,

892
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: terrible person, inspired millions of people with his story map.

893
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I was so taken. I was hypnotized by your depiction

894
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: of these um of these ancient pre human races. I

895
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: was going a little mad there for a moment, but

896
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm feeling better now. You're not back off the mountain. Yeah.

897
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: So it's it's uh. I don't want to say it's

898
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: a really well written story, but it's a it's it's

899
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: a very um it makes a great impression. It's cool.

900
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: It's cool. Yeah, that's one of the best ways. Is

901
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: so cool. And and the idea there is that there

902
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: is an there are ruins of an ancient pre human

903
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: civilization hidden in the hinterlands of Antarctica that has not

904
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: been proven. Um, despite what some people have tried to

905
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: depict in earlier arguments on the fringes there. Uh. Hp

906
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: Lovecraft was writing fiction. He knew he was writing fiction,

907
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: and he liked it. But other you know, just kind

908
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: of like, um, we did we did an episode on

909
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: grim Wise and we talked a little bit about the Necronomicon,

910
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: another hple of craft creation. He's very adamant that's work

911
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: of fiction. But people like the story so much that

912
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: they wanted to be real. In some cases they kind

913
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: of slendermanned it and then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

914
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: Much like slender Man has at least once yep. And

915
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: then the last thing, which we don't have time for,

916
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: but we'd love to, uh refer you to one of

917
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: the first videos we've ever done, Society. Yes, the idea

918
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: that there is a civilization or ruins of a civilization

919
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: that survives some great cataclysm by going underground. Uh, similar

920
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: to the ben Folds five song, except with ancient technology,

921
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: and that the Nazi Party and the U. S Military

922
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: we're both aware of this possibility, and as they were

923
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: exploring the region through various um various cover stories, through

924
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: the use of various cover stories like Operation high Jump,

925
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: but they were instead actually exploring these the possibility of

926
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: these subterranean civilizations or waging war upon one another in

927
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: secret at the South Pole. Those are fascinating tales, and

928
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: all in an attempts to gain the favor of whatever

929
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: civilization is down there. Yes, yes, and spoiler alert there,

930
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: of course the Nazis in this tale. In this tale,

931
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party thought that the subterranean civilization would of

932
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: course be aryan and super into geopolitical happenings on the

933
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: surface world. Yeah, because it's you know, I have nothing

934
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: to say there it's just it's it's messed up, it's

935
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: it's an interesting story. And you know, a lot of

936
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: Antarctica has not been fully explored, certainly not to the

937
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: extent that other continents have. And we have to remember

938
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: there's still parts of um there's still very remote parts

939
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,959
Speaker 1: of the world where no human being has ever set

940
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: foot that have nothing to do with Antarctica. This is

941
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: this is one of the concepts that early on when

942
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: we started making this show, Ben really got me into

943
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: even further into these subjects, some of these, especially ancient civilizations.

944
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: Uh this one in particular. Yeah, no, really, because I

945
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: could imagine a world in where it was real, only

946
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: because we found so many real things in this world

947
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: where opposing powers have been in a race to achieve

948
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: something first, or get somewhere first, because the other team

949
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: is going to get there for sure at some point.

950
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: We just have to get there before them. And with

951
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: everything from nuclear powers to psychic powers, this stuff. And

952
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: so this was just another version of it for me

953
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: where maybe there was something there or at least to

954
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: establish basis of something. Yeah. I'm so sorry, man, I

955
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: should have set operations Stargate Oh yes, started not in

956
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: k ultra um. Yeah, that's a great point. This, if

957
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: it's not a thing a government did, it's certainly in

958
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: line with the m O of most world powers. So

959
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: this leads us to conclusions. Right, we don't at this

960
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: point have any solid proof that there was some sort

961
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: of permanent settlements uh in in Antarctica, at least not

962
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: in antiquity. Uh And we don't have proof that there

963
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: was even a notable temporary settlement, much less a civilization

964
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: or remnants of an ancient civilization. And this problem for

965
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: this lack of knowledge is compounded by the fact that

966
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: it's just devilishly difficult to do a lot of exploration

967
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: in Antarctica. At least it becomes devilishly expensive, yes, and

968
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: in just straight up difficult just to get any kind

969
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: of transportation there. Right, And now we're in a situation

970
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: aaan where our entire species and whatever eldritch species may

971
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: await us under the ice. It doesn't have to wait

972
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: much longer because as the as the Earth leaves, well

973
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: as temperatures shift around the planet, we know that glaciers

974
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: are receding, they're losing mass, right, It's it's just getting

975
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: a little warmer in most places. And we do know

976
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: that we will see some pretty strange things when the

977
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: ice actually melts, depending on where it melts. We for instance,

978
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: we don't know very much about the dinosaurs arrange of

979
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: animals that roamed Antarctica when it's part of Gondwana. So

980
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: it's all we found so far about from fossil life.

981
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: There are going to be things that we could dig

982
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: up on the margins of coastal islands or exposed mountains

983
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: that have gone above the glaciers, you know, and there

984
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: are a few places that don't have a thick layer

985
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: of ice. We might also find sources of geothermal energy.

986
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: We are almost certain to find forms of life that

987
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: are almost alien to us because they have been isolated

988
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: for so long. They'll they'll probably also this may be

989
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: a little disappointing. They'll probably also be um really small,

990
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: But then you know, they might be they might be

991
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: really big, like those several meter long worms. Have you

992
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: seen those? Uh? That would be the coolest if it

993
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: were just giant giant creatures that we find. Yeah, yeah, man.

994
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: And one of the new groundbreaking tools that the three

995
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: of us really love to talk about when we talk

996
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: about this kind of exploration is something called lighter. Lighter

997
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: allows us to detect otherwise invisible ruins that most people

998
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: would fly over without a second glance. If there is

999
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: some remnant of an ancient civil zation or an ancient

1000
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: settlements somewhere on anti Arctica, lighter is probably the best

1001
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: way to find it right now, as we record this

1002
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: in the other problem. But the lighter is not perfect.

1003
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: It's also expensive. It's expensive and more accessible areas. Let

1004
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy money. Once you try to take

1005
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: that out to Antarctica in a group did that, they

1006
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: were well, they did it in ten but they released

1007
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: the data in seen and it covered two thousand, seven

1008
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: d seventy five point six five square kilometers of an

1009
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: area of Antarctica known as the McMurdo Dry Valleys. They

1010
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: did not find evidence of a pre existing civilization, but

1011
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: for those of us who still want to hold onto

1012
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: that belief that such a group, community, or society existed,

1013
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: we can always remember this. Maybe, just maybe this first

1014
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: lighter crew was looking in the wrong place after all. Yeah,

1015
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: after all, um, what what does two thousand, seven seventy

1016
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: five something square kilometers? That's not all of Antarctica? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1017
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: Antarctica has a total land area of about fourteen million

1018
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: kilometers square good. Yeah, yeah, And we would love to

1019
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on where people should be looking. First off,

1020
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: is this bunk? Is there something to it? The stuff

1021
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: we look through, you know, you can see some of

1022
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: the problems that people might have with these claims. But

1023
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: we we want to know if you have something to

1024
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: add to the conversation. And we definitely want to know

1025
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: if you have visited Antarctica yourself. It's not it's actually

1026
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: not that hard to get a job there on staff. Yeah, nobody,

1027
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: the Antarctica staff. Yeah, I'd like to be a cook.

1028
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: Are there, Like, are they like lodges out there? They're

1029
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: like case, that's it, that's it. Yeah, that's what she got.

1030
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: You can visit. Tour stuff is like, as Matt said,

1031
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: like a cruise or something like, look how these crazy

1032
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: scientists spend their their days and their summers down here?

1033
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: All right? Now get out of here, seriously leave now

1034
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: hang on test his blood first. Yeah, But honestly, the

1035
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: best stories are going to be the ones that are

1036
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: real being in an Arctica. And then I also want

1037
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: to hear the most far out ideas about what you think,

1038
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: if there is anything beneath all the ice, I want

1039
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 1: to hear your really far out ideas specifically you're yeah,

1040
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, just write it, write it out, send it

1041
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: our away, because I just want to eat popcorn and

1042
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: dig in. But Matt, how do they send it to us? Oh,

1043
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: they're a bunch of ways. The first thing you can

1044
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: do is find us on social media. Send it that way.

1045
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: We are conspiracy stuff in most places, conspiracy stuff show

1046
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: in others. You can send us a voicemail if you

1047
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: want to describe vibe something to us. U Like we

1048
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: described the peri rais map terribly. I might add sorry

1049
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: about that, but but you can leave as a voicemail

1050
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: and you know, describe something to us about that, or

1051
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: just tell us a cool story. We are one eight

1052
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: three three stv w y t K. You can find

1053
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: us live. You can actually come meet us in person. Yes,

1054
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on tour from October twenty three until

1055
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: October very very soon. We're going all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Check out our website stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 1: know dot com and click on the live shows and

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Speaker 1: you can get tickets from there. And don't forget that.

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Speaker 1: If you don't see the live shows tab right away,

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Speaker 1: click on more Stuff or whatever it's called, and it'll

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Speaker 1: be in that drop down exactly. And um, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you don't want to do any of that stuff, you

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Speaker 1: can send us just a good old fashioned email. But

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Speaker 1: but before we get to that, just really I just

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Speaker 1: want to say something, um personally and hopefully there aren't

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Speaker 1: many people listening here, but this will exist on the

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Speaker 1: show until uh the internet dies. Um. I've I've I

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Speaker 1: know you guys have experienced this, but I've lost a

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Speaker 1: lot of very important uh people in in my life

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Speaker 1: over the course of making this show with you guys.

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Speaker 1: And um, yesterday, Um, yesterday, my my dog Buddy, my

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Speaker 1: little my little dog Buddy died in my arms. And UM,

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Speaker 1: I just I want to put it out there if

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Speaker 1: you if you can hear this in some weird way,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't really have specific beliefs about infinity

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Speaker 1: or other planes of existence or anything. But if if

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Speaker 1: you can hear me little buddy out there, UM, you're

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Speaker 1: you're still with me. And uh, I love you man,

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Speaker 1: We love you, Matt. I think that's the last word

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Speaker 1: for today.