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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Moble, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the newest edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John

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Speaker 1: Smoke with you. Today's guest the director of scouting for

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Speaker 1: the Draft Network. That's Kyle Krabs. But first one O

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Speaker 1: and your favorite podcast platforms. And now we're John by

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Speaker 1: our guest, he is Kyle Krabs, the director of scouting

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Speaker 1: for the Draft Network. Kyle, it's good to have you

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Speaker 1: on man hope this draft season and frankly, this really

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Speaker 1: weird year has treated you and your family. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's good to catch up with you John and

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Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about the draft. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's because there was no combine this

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Speaker 1: year or what, but it felt like the last six

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Speaker 1: weeks have just completely disappeared into thin air. So it's

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Speaker 1: hard to believe it right here on the doorstep of

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Speaker 1: the draft this year. And uh, this process is always

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Speaker 1: a bit of a grind, but it's been been a

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Speaker 1: fun class to kind of dig into and looking forward

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of these guys. Are you here, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were recording this on Thursday, so we're exactly three

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Speaker 1: weeks out from the draft. So teams right now with

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Speaker 1: the Pro Days over, starting to get together and kind

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Speaker 1: of put their final draft boards together. Kyle and I

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Speaker 1: guess why don't we start here? Anything from the Pro

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Speaker 1: Days really change your impression of players? Or is the

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Speaker 1: fact that these are Pro days in the combined numbers

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Speaker 1: giving you and your team some pause and how you

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Speaker 1: judge this athletic testing compared to how you would normally

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Speaker 1: do it. It's nice to have the guys that that

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Speaker 1: managed to check the box, but I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any question we're seeing more four three somethings and forty

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Speaker 1: times than we've ever seen before, so we try not

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Speaker 1: to put too much weight into it. And I know

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Speaker 1: for teams, uh, it's been a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: challenge as well with some of the restrictions and not

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Speaker 1: having as many people able to attend. So um, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure the teams kind of feel the same way, where

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Speaker 1: I actually wouldn't be surprised if that's a trend that

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Speaker 1: you see with some teams when we get to the

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Speaker 1: actual draft, is you have opportunities to take your high

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Speaker 1: level assets and kind of kick the can down the

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Speaker 1: road a little bit until we get into a little

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Speaker 1: bit more normal or status quo draft process. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprised to see some teams take that approach and say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: look like we're just not really comfortable with what we

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Speaker 1: have on a lot of these guys this year. So

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Speaker 1: unless we have a slam dung fit, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: trade back, trying to get more picks for two. You

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Speaker 1: already saw the Detroit Lions and they've already begun that

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Speaker 1: process the New York Jets with the same thing. So

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Speaker 1: obviously they'll they'll the Jets will at least be making

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Speaker 1: an early pick at two. We'll see what the lines

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Speaker 1: choose to do. But yeah, it's the it's it's hard

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Speaker 1: Talking to people around the league, do you get the

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Speaker 1: sense that there is much more uncertainty just not with

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Speaker 1: the numbers, but the fact that scouts really weren't on

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Speaker 1: campus this fall, Kyle, So maybe they don't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: the type of guys they are, and things of that nature. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so they're trying their best, right, You try and resource

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Speaker 1: as best you can, and they have plenty of data

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Speaker 1: points available to them, but uh, it's not the data

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Speaker 1: for some it's like this is an incomplete assessment. So

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Speaker 1: a team by team, I'm sure it's gonna be different

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Speaker 1: how they choose to handle that. But that's that's something

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Speaker 1: that you know, always has been kicked around at least

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Speaker 1: we've had with TDN and our scouting staff meetings between

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Speaker 1: talk about the class here, Kyle, Because you know everyone

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Speaker 1: How many first round grades do you guys have in

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Speaker 1: this class? Is it fifty? How many true first round

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Speaker 1: between myself, Joe Marino, Dre Harris, Jordan Read, everybody else

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Speaker 1: And it almost gives you like that team dynamic where

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Speaker 1: second year. Kyle who are the guys that you have

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Speaker 1: as those true top tier, top ten level, top fifteen

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Speaker 1: we love his talent. Linebacker Micah Parsons, offensive tackle Christian

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Speaker 1: derrisol edge rusher Quitty Pay, offensive lineman Ray Shawn Slater,

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Speaker 1: wide receiver Davante Smith, and then I would throw Tevin

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Speaker 1: those guys up and off, you know, throw Jenkins into

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Speaker 1: a true sophomore he sat out. Uh. The talent level

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Speaker 1: So if you took him and you combined him with

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Speaker 1: but I think Slater is probably more technically ready to

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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be evaluated is an into your offensive

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Speaker 1: watching him play on tape. Everybody's gonna have a spot

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Speaker 1: I point to and say he's ready to play no

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Speaker 1: matter where he goes, it's just where he would play

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Speaker 1: to remember those top offensive lineman, not a lot of

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Speaker 1: He's like Leah Mikelberg is a perfect example. You watch

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Speaker 1: Whether or not it's information or disinformation that's out there

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Speaker 1: intentionally is another debate for another day. But Penny sewell

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Speaker 1: seems to be a prospect who's it's if he doesn't

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Speaker 1: because from what I've heard, the Dolphins are are in

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Speaker 1: on pass rushers at six and Detroit at Seven's that

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Speaker 1: a trade out spot for a quarterback who falls? And

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Speaker 1: then okay, Carolina eight And like everybody's been talking about

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Speaker 1: Penny Seuill potentially being like a top three selection for

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Speaker 1: a really long time. And Ray Shawn's later you know,

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Speaker 1: that pathway for success for him is to add some

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Speaker 1: weight to his frame and be a guy who can

434
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Speaker 1: almost like I don't want to say J. J. Watt's

435
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: name because that invokes the wrong ceiling for his play.

436
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: But you think about J. J. Watton, Jadeveon Clowney, both

437
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: of those guys in the Houston defense for the for

438
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years that they were there. You

439
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: can line them up at base end, you can play

440
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Speaker 1: him down inside and they can plun play the run

441
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Speaker 1: really effectively in the B gap if you need them to.

442
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Speaker 1: Uh So, I just want I don't. I don't want

443
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Speaker 1: a team to draft Gregor Rousseo and expect him to

444
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Speaker 1: play outside alignment and play wide and expect him to

445
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Speaker 1: claim a bunch of wins off the edge as a

446
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Speaker 1: pass rusher. Like you got to shorten those angles and

447
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: you gotta get him into a position which he's better

448
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: suited to play through the contact because that's where he

449
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Speaker 1: wants so much. At my m no, I'm with you,

450
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: and I think if you're looking for a place from succeed,

451
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I'm with you on that. How

452
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: about it? Guy like oh Way who has all the

453
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Speaker 1: measurables but none of the numbers. At least this past

454
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Speaker 1: year he had five s five sacks, I think back

455
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Speaker 1: in memory is correct. How do you guys project him?

456
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Speaker 1: Does how much does that lack of production were you guys?

457
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Speaker 1: Are you more concerned with pressures and how he gets

458
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Speaker 1: to the quarterback into his athletic ability, So we do

459
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Speaker 1: put more weight in wins as a pass rusher, regardless

460
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Speaker 1: of whether or not you're getting home to the quarterback

461
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Speaker 1: or not, because there are you know, things the quarterback

462
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Speaker 1: can do, whether it's throwing it away or or escaping

463
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Speaker 1: your your pathway, um that prevents sacks from happening on

464
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Speaker 1: what would otherwise be good rushes. But for oh A,

465
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Speaker 1: I was encouraged by the fact that I thought he

466
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Speaker 1: played the run better this past year than what he

467
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Speaker 1: did in two thousand and nineteen. He showed the ability

468
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Speaker 1: to kind of win the point of attack, win the

469
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with more consistency. But as a pass rusher,

470
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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of we got to develop a

471
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Speaker 1: plane in We gotta get you to a point in

472
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Speaker 1: which you anticipate what an offensive tackle is going to

473
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Speaker 1: try to do to you and understand how to deconstruct

474
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Speaker 1: that in real time. And we're just not quite there yet.

475
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: So I think about Jason ow Ay and teams like

476
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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens who lost both of their starting edge

477
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Speaker 1: guys in in uh Yanika and gok Way, and then

478
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Speaker 1: also Matt Judon in free agency this year. They blitz

479
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: approximately fifty of their defensive snaps. So teams that can

480
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Speaker 1: blitz and generate free rushers with overloads and can kind

481
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Speaker 1: of get him into a spot where at least early

482
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Speaker 1: on in his career you can manufacture some free runs

483
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Speaker 1: off the edge for him. I think those are the

484
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Speaker 1: more UH friendly landing spots for a guy like Jason Oa,

485
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Speaker 1: because I think he's physically capable of becoming anything and

486
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Speaker 1: being a really good player. But if you're gonna play

487
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Speaker 1: him early on, if you're gonna draft him in the

488
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Speaker 1: first round and you're gonna play him early on, you

489
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: are really hoping you can onboard him really quickly with

490
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Speaker 1: building out his pass rush counters, or else you run

491
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Speaker 1: the risk of running him out there and he kind

492
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Speaker 1: of just becomes a guy who occupies a blocker, and

493
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Speaker 1: nobody's drafting a pass rusher in the first round to

494
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Speaker 1: do that. All right, let's jump to the second round here, Cayle,

495
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: very quickly up front, give you some offensive lineman that

496
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Speaker 1: you think can swing guard tackle that could be available

497
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Speaker 1: for the Giants with their pick in the early forties,

498
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: and same deal for pass rushers. What are guys that

499
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Speaker 1: you think might drop to that second round, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a Payton Turner or who remember else you guys have

501
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: in that area where the Giants could find some value

502
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Speaker 1: up front on either side of the ball with their

503
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Speaker 1: second round pick. So Jalen Mayfield from Michigan is one

504
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Speaker 1: that really jumps out to me. I really liked his tape,

505
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Speaker 1: you know, he you know, for we talked about the

506
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Speaker 1: all the inflation of the Pro days. He bombed this

507
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: Pro Day, so you know that that didn't really help

508
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Speaker 1: the case for him staying out outside at tackle um.

509
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Speaker 1: But I think he's a better functional athlete than what

510
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Speaker 1: he showed with his Pro Day numbers. So you're you're

511
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Speaker 1: talking about guys who have positional flexibility. I think Jalen

512
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Speaker 1: Mayfield from Michigan guard tackle potential Alex Leatherwood. He's played

513
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Speaker 1: at right guard and left tackle for Alabama, so you know,

514
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Speaker 1: and he kind of fits that physical brand that I

515
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Speaker 1: associate with the Giants and Dave Gettleman being there. So, uh,

516
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: he's a guy. You I also really like he's playing

517
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the line. He played on the

518
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Speaker 1: left side at left tackling, played at right guard when

519
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: he was a starter at Alabama. And I would also

520
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Speaker 1: mention Jackson Carmen from Clemson as a guy who played

521
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Speaker 1: left tackle for them. But I think he does project

522
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more favorably at sixty five pounds to

523
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Speaker 1: kick inside and play some guards, but you at least

524
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Speaker 1: know he's got the playing experience to do so at tackle.

525
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Speaker 1: So I like those guys as potential versatile utility offensive

526
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: lineman if you're just looking for your best combination of five.

527
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Speaker 1: Maybe plays a guard, maybe plays a tackle, depending on

528
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Speaker 1: how you want to play the musical chairs with things

529
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: as far as pass rushers. Uh. Thinking again, thinking about

530
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Speaker 1: the physical style I love play that I associate with

531
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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman and Carlos Basham Jr. For wake Forest is

532
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: one that really jumps off at you. Uh. My comfort

533
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: him is Shack Lawson, who was a first round pick

534
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Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills not that long ago. He's got

535
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Speaker 1: traded this past offseason to the Houston Texans. Uh. Gennarius

536
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Speaker 1: Robinson from Florida State is kind of like my guy

537
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: on day two if I wanted to stake my flag

538
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Speaker 1: in the ground and bet on a guy's trades. Six

539
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: ft five two and or sixty six pounds. He's really

540
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: good at the Senior Bowl. He's got phenomenal length, like

541
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Speaker 1: he's a prototype bill defensive end. But Florida State, for

542
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: whatever reason, has done a very poor job over the

543
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Speaker 1: last couple of seasons of developing their talent. The light

544
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: bulb came on for him a little bit this year

545
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Speaker 1: as far as winning the line of scrimmage with more effectiveness. Uh,

546
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Speaker 1: and you see a ton of flashes, whether it's rushing

547
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Speaker 1: the passer or playing the run. With Genarius Robinson um

548
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: physically talented to the umpteenth degree, it's just a question

549
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Speaker 1: of can you get him out of that environment that

550
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: did not care to him developing himself as a player.

551
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: But I was probably I was highly encouraged by what

552
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: I saw at the Senior Bowl. So Genarius Robinson is

553
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Speaker 1: a guy you're you're looking maybe early day or early

554
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Speaker 1: round three there in the back half of Day two

555
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: of the draft. The traits are they're they're undeniable. Somebody

556
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: will bet on them. I would be somebody if it

557
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: were me. As a decision maker, I would be doing

558
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: that same thing. Yeah. I was impressed by him at

559
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl too, and the reps he got in

560
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: those past rushtraos, I thought he looked good. All right,

561
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: let's have some front of the top of the draft here, Kyle,

562
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts right now? How many quarterbacks go in the

563
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: top ten ahead of the Giants. I'll say four. I

564
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: think we'll get quarterbacks in the first three, and I

565
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: think you'll have an opportunity whether it's the Atlanta Falcons

566
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Speaker 1: um themselves or somebody trading out or trading into that spot.

567
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: But I think that's probably where you'll see that fourth quarterback.

568
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh if not, then I wouldn't sleep on Denver at nine.

569
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Speaker 1: But I think the Carolina getting out of the quarterback

570
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: market has really kind of sapped the urgency of potential

571
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: trade situations as things currently stand. They obviously invested fairly

572
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: to a fair degree in Sam Donald, but they were

573
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: the team that everybody assumed was going to be the

574
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: super aggressive team. They were rumored to be super in

575
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: on de Shawn Watson. Uh, they had kicked the tires

576
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: on Matt Stafford, so they you knew they were going

577
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: to make a move. So everybody was kind of sitting

578
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: there holding their breast saying okay, like would they trade

579
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: with Atlanta within the division to go up and get

580
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback? But it felt like San Francisco kind of

581
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: beat him to the punch to get up to three

582
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: and then they made the move for Sam Donald. So

583
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Speaker 1: I think they'll hold status quo for the time being

584
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: unless Atlanta gets a great deal. If there is a

585
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: team that you think would move up, and I think

586
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: it's tough, right, I think maybe Denver moves up to

587
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: four if there's a quarterback they really like with Atlanta,

588
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: I think that's possible. Is it too far of a

589
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: move though, for a team like New England or a

590
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: team like Washington or a team like Chicago to get

591
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: all the way up to like seven with Detroy, even

592
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: ten with Dallas maybe if they want to get that

593
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: last quarterback that's left without a seat when the music stops.

594
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: So I think I don't think it's too far to fall,

595
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: as long as you're comfortable with what the price is

596
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: going to be, and then that won't be cheap to

597
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: to jump that far. I think depending on who the

598
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: quarterback is, you could see certain teams having interest in

599
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: making splashes, but only on the condition that it's the

600
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: right quarterback. Um. I know of at least one team

601
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of in that first half of the first

602
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: round who's somewhat associated with needing a quarterback. But if

603
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: Trey Lance were there on the table for them, they

604
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: would make an aggressive move to to make sure that

605
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: they landed him. Um, Justin Fields, for me, is is

606
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: my second rate of quarterback in this class. I think

607
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: if any of these teams that are fringe playoff teams,

608
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: whether it's New England or you mentioned Chicago and Washington,

609
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: or you even go further back with like the Pittsburg

610
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: Steelers at twenty four, if Justin Fields is sitting there

611
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: in that same range and like you can get a

612
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: deal done. And Pittsburgh not that long ago traded up

613
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: from twenty to ten with Denver to draft Devin Bush,

614
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: so we we you know, obviously drafting a trading up

615
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: for a quarterback is a little bit of a different animal,

616
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: but we've seen that get into the top ten before

617
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: it picks from that range and then not too recent

618
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: history or recent history. So if if that guy's out

619
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: there for you and you're a playoff team, and you

620
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: have a complete roster, then yeah, I think you should

621
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: be having that conversation and probably be willing to pay

622
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: a price to go up and get him. So this

623
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: is a combo question. I guess do you buy the

624
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Shanahan Matt Jones connection at three? And if you're the guests,

625
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: which of those five quarterbacks is the one that's going

626
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: to be left without a chair when the music stops

627
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and could maybe fall into that you know, ten to

628
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: fifteen area ish in that first round. So I think

629
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: that player will be Matt or mac Jones. So I'm

630
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: not buying the San Francisco thing. It's it's too loud,

631
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: too fast. I agree with you, and I I just

632
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing the San Francisco forty nine

633
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: is giving up two future first round picks to go

634
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: give up a guy who you know, for as proficient

635
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: as he was rounding the Alabama offense. They have a

636
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: system there at Alabama and they have been supremely uh

637
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: ahead of everybody else with what they've done from a

638
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: system perspective. When um, their their offensive coordinator who's now

639
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: in name escaping me for some reason. The head coach

640
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: at Texas Arkian Steve Sarkisian, Thank you Sarkaesian coach circles

641
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: around everybody and uh Mac Jones absorbed that playbook. He

642
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: executed phenomenally. But the traits and projecting him to the

643
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: next level and having as X factor it factor dynamics.

644
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: If you want to bet on him being the next

645
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady as far as between the ears, more power

646
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to you. But that's not a game well that I'm

647
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: rolling to take. So you think Jones will be the

648
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: guy that drops? Interesting? How many and which of those

649
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: top playmakers? And of course you know the guys will

650
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: talk about Pitts, Waddle, Chase Smith do you think are

651
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: most likely to be gone before the Giants pick at eleven?

652
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: I think Pitts will be gone. I think Chase will

653
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: be gone, and I think you you'll have a chance

654
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: of seeing one of the Alabama receivers there, whether it's

655
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Wattle or Smith. I think that depends on how things

656
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: lay out. Obviously, I covered the Dolphins, so I think

657
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: I have a fairly good feel on what they're pecking

658
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: order is, and if things played out in front of

659
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: them a certain way, I think DeVante Smith would come

660
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: off the board. Um before the Giants pick as well. Um,

661
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: and then it's just kind of a question of Detroit

662
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: if it plays out in that scenario. Say you saw

663
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: Pitts go H four to Atlanta, and then you saw

664
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: Chase go five, and then the Dolphins take Davante Smith

665
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: at six. No Detroit team that really needs a wide receiver?

666
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: Do they just take the last one? Do they trade

667
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: at like there's a scenario in which you could get

668
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: none of them. I think that's an very unlikely scenario.

669
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: But I would say you're gonna have a good chance

670
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: of seeing one of the Alabama receivers left on the board.

671
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: It's just a question of how things fall in front

672
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: of you. Do you buy the Bengals going playmaker? Are

673
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you thinking offensive line for them? My gut still tells

674
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: me it's offensive line. I know that there was a

675
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: big to do about Joe Burrow and the Jamaar Chase

676
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: connection and uh him kind of voicing his support if

677
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: you will, you know, without kind of grandstanding for Jamaar Chase.

678
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: But um, my gut just tells me that that will

679
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: be an offensive line spot because Riley Reef is not

680
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: somebody that they should be if if the Bengals are

681
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: why should be assuming is going to take care of

682
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: your offensive line problems. How close do you, guys, I'm

683
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: assuming you have a what pitts in Chase? I'm assuming

684
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: are your top two playmakers right on your overall board.

685
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: We have Wattle as our operted wide receiver. So you

686
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: watched the tape and his ability to win against man

687
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: coverage is phenomenal. And he just in a lot of

688
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: cases wasn't the first progression in the read and a

689
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: lot of times the first progression was open in Alabama,

690
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: so he ended up not getting the football anyway. Um,

691
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: but Waddle also has an undeniable impact on zone. When

692
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: I believe it was Daniel Jeremiah had referenced he was

693
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: the fastest wide receiver in this draft class from GPS

694
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: speed tracking, and it like wasn't even close. So his

695
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: ability to force you to play a lot of soft

696
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: coverage in zone over top of him is going to

697
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: create a lot of space underneath. Uh. He's His average

698
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: touchdown reception for seventeen career touchdown receptions was forty four

699
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: and a half yards. Uh. So he's just big playing

700
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: a bottle. Uh. He wins vertically. He was twenty one

701
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: of twenty six for his career on targets beyond twenty

702
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: yards downfield, So just unbelievable. If aittians he as a

703
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: receiver and big plays, but you watch him play and

704
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: he's not just a vertical guy who runs down the field.

705
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: And I think that was the biggest shame about Waddle

706
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: getting hurt after the first four games of the season

707
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: and that opening kickoff against Tennessee was he was out

708
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: producing DeVante Smith as far as a yardage production. He

709
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: had more yards than DeVante Smith through the first four

710
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: games of the season, and all Alabama did was take

711
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: all those reps and they say, okay, DeVante, we're gonna

712
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: put you into that role too, And it just completely

713
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: showcased him as long as the medical questions with his

714
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: ankle checks out. For our money, at the wide receiver position,

715
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: he defeats press coverage early on. He runs the deep

716
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: route as good as anybody. He can win in short spaces.

717
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: You can manufacture him in RPOs in short game and

718
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: screen game and quick game and get the ball in

719
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: his hands, and he's just as much of a dynamic

720
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: threat to take the distances that anybody else. So obviously

721
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: that's that's off the beaten pass a little bit, but

722
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: when you watched him play on tape, it was like

723
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: he he won almost all the routes that he was running,

724
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: even if he wasn't getting targeted the ball. So based

725
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: on who you think is going to be gone, then

726
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: based on he was talking to her on the league

727
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, Kyle and who might be available

728
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: when the Giants selected eleven, who do you think are

729
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: the guys Giant fans that should be kind of locked

730
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: in on that. You think there's a good chance we'll

731
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: be there, and you also think are a good fit

732
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: and we'll meet the value at that pick at eleven.

733
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: I think Waddle is a name that you can start

734
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: this conversation with and you know he's because he had

735
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: the medical issue and you know he's not a big receiver.

736
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: I think he's somebody who may endure a little bit

737
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: of a slide um outside the top ten. And obviously

738
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: you did not see a great demand in pass catchers

739
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: in last year's draft. I think Henry Ruggs went eleventh

740
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: and he was the first one off the board. So, uh,

741
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: that is a name that that should be at the

742
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: forefront of Giants fans minds. I think Devon day Smith

743
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: is also worthwhile conversation to have if you're the Giants.

744
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: I know we mentioned Quitty Pay already, Jalen Phillips. You know,

745
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: I think they've done a really nice job kind of

746
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: addressing some of their needs with signings. Obviously, they spent

747
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: big money on a Dorry Jackson and Kenny Golladay and

748
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: they brought John Rawson, so they've kind of alleviated the

749
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: pressure where they can just kind of stay true to Okay,

750
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, let's evaluate the high value positions. Because you're

751
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: picking eleven, you should be expecting a premier position. Um,

752
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: don't force yourself into drafting for need. And so those

753
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: those top names at those positions really jump out at me.

754
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: And if if Ratian Slater is there, and you want

755
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: to have that conversation of Okay, do we want to

756
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: take him and just rely on his versatility to play

757
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: and whether we're gonna play him one of the interior

758
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: spots and move somebody around a lot of the names

759
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: that we've talked about already, Pay, potentially Phillips if they're

760
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: comfortable with them, Potentially Ozer Laurie if they're looking for

761
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: a little bit more explosiveness and speed off edge, Wattle, Smith,

762
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: uh Ray, Shawns Later, I don't think Penny Sewell's gonna

763
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: make it to you guys. Those would be the names

764
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: that I'd be really dialed in on a fire with

765
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: Giants fan Alright, a couple of random later in the

766
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: draft questions that I've been debating in my own head.

767
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: I want to get your take on him tight end

768
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: two in this draft class once you get past Pitts.

769
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I watched Tommy Tremble yesterday and I have a hard

770
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: time figuring out why he's not in that conversation. To

771
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: be honest with you, He kind of reminds me of

772
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: Kyle you stick to be honest with you, said you

773
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: can play tight end. He does a little bit of everything.

774
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: How do you look at that tight end class once

775
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: you get past Pits with the Pat Friar Mooths, the Trembles,

776
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: the Brevin Jordan's and and kind of that group of guys.

777
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: So Friar Meath Obviously, the appeal for him over Trembled.

778
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: The argument is we've seen more of him. Um, he's

779
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: been more productive throughout the course of his career. Penn State,

780
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: I like Pat I think Pat for me is my

781
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: second rated tight end. I don't have a first round

782
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: grade on him or anything like that. He's a solid

783
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: day to option um. The baby Grounk moniker that he

784
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: took on for a little bit has since been passed

785
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: off to the guy who was playing in front of

786
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Tommy Tremble, which was Michael Mayer, the freshman tight end

787
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: there at number eighty seven, who was phenomenal as a

788
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: freshman for Notre Dame. But Tremble is a guy who

789
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: if you want a tight end that you can move around,

790
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily dissimilar to what you're capable of doing with

791
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, Tremble would be a great fit for you.

792
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I think for our Meath is more of a pure

793
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: in line even if he's even if he's off the ball,

794
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: but a guy who's gonna play inside the tackle box area,

795
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: whereas Tremble. And it's ironic because he was so often

796
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: just asked to be a blocker. You know, a lot

797
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: of his production was kind of leak out and into

798
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: the flat and gets run after catch for Tommy Tremble.

799
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: Tremble's got the highest ceiling other guys beyond Kyle Pitts

800
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: in my mind. So he's my third rated tight end.

801
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: I do have farm youth ahead of him, just because

802
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: that's a little bit cleaner projection for like a traditional

803
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: tight end. But I think you're on the right track

804
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: with Tommy Tremmell, where his ceiling is the highest of

805
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: anybody not named Kyle Pitts in the tight end class.

806
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: How who do you like out of the second group

807
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: of corners you know get past you know Curtan and J. C.

808
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: Horne and you know who knows where father is gonna

809
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: drop now? They do? You have Newsom in the first

810
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: round in the second if the John's want to go

811
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: corner in that second round, who are some of the

812
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: guys that you would think they might want to try

813
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: and target or even day three if you like I

814
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: got that might drop into round three. Yeah. So Greg

815
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: Newsome is inside my top thirty two prospects. Don't have

816
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: a first round grade on him specifically as far as evaluation,

817
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: but I like Newsom a good deal. He's very loose

818
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and fluid. The big question for him is he's never

819
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: played a full season. Uh injuries have been problematic there,

820
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: but in coverage, you know he can play man's own.

821
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: He could play off, he could play press, so you

822
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: like the versatility that you get there. And he's got

823
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: some good ball skills too. I like Eric Stokes from Georgia,

824
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: who obviously he made much to do about the footy

825
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: time that he ran down at the House of Athlete

826
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: Combined this this year, and I was actually in the

827
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: in person for that one, so I don't care what

828
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: the time was. I know it was fast as hell

829
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: and he can blaze a little bit. So UM, I

830
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: think he's physical. He's another guy that's like six one

831
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: so so he's long, he's he's got that scrap to

832
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: him as well. So I like Eric Stokes as a

833
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: potential round two corner um. And then as Sante Samuel Jr.

834
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: You know, if you're not afraid of size, uh, if

835
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with a guy who's five ten and a

836
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: half five eleven, uh, Sante Samuel Jr. Has plenty of

837
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: that quick feat that that allows you to close distances

838
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: quickly and when you're playing soft coverage and attack the

839
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: football and uh, for some teams, he's probably gonna be

840
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: warranted only as a nickel corner. But I think in

841
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: the right system he can play outside and UH, I

842
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: like his potential quite a bit, and he showed some

843
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: some growth as far as ball skills this past year

844
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: or floor state. What's the position group that that we're

845
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: gonna wake up on Friday morning before round two and

846
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: three where we're gonna say, holy cow, we are still

847
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: stacked at the spot. You can get a plug and

848
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: play starter at this position on day two if you

849
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: get one early enough. I think it's the interior offensive line.

850
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: I really like the interior offensive line class. I think

851
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker's destined for a date in round one.

852
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: But Landon Dickerson's got the medical questions. Obviously, tore his

853
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: knee up in the the SEC Championship game. That didn't

854
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: stop him from doing cartwheels in the background of Mac

855
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Jones pro day just last week. So he looks to

856
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: be healthy, but from a medical perspective, that is a

857
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: question with him. Uh. Creed Humphrey Wyatt Davis from Ohio State. Uh,

858
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: there's some really good inter your offensive lineman uh in

859
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: this year's class. And some of these guys are guys

860
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: that I had already mentioned as far as being potential

861
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Speaker 1: tackle guard, flexible guys guys like Alex Leatherwood. I didn't

862
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Speaker 1: put Brady Christensen from b y U in that bucket.

863
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Speaker 1: Is a guy who I don't think he has an

864
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: ideal size profile to play outside. I think he's like

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Speaker 1: three oh five and he has short arms. I think

866
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Speaker 1: he's got like thirty two and one eighth inch arms. So,

867
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna run his zone style system, so

868
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily a fit for the Giants, but you

869
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: can get a lot of good offensive lineman. And that's

870
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Speaker 1: what makes the debate for the teams that are an

871
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: offensive line consideration so interesting is you typically associate, Okay,

872
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Speaker 1: you can get a wide receiver on day two and

873
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: that guy will come in and it'll be a starter

874
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: for you right away. But if you need offensive help

875
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: in general, teams like Cincinnati in Miami, it's like, well,

876
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: you can also get the lineman on day two this year,

877
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: do you want to go get an elite past catcher instead?

878
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Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of turned that argument in against itself.

879
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: So that's a fun dynamic of this year's class. Yeah,

880
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Speaker 1: the argument we've been having to be honest with you, Kyle,

881
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there and you're staring at you know,

882
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: one of either Slater or Soul and then one of

883
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: either Waddle or Smith at eleven, Where do you go

884
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: because both position groups are pretty deep. Where can't get

885
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: one in the second round that either spot? Yeah, so

886
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: that that's an unenviable spot, and potentially some of those

887
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: decisions will be made for the Giants because you're picking

888
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Speaker 1: eleven the team I don't envy as Cincinnati and Cincinnati

889
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: picking at five and you got chases going on the board,

890
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Speaker 1: pits is on the board, seools on the board, like,

891
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: good luck making a choice, and you know, let's let's

892
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: hope you the board breaks for you guys the second

893
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: time around. But yeah, I think that's the at least

894
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: the I don't want to say luxury, but the upside

895
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: of the Giant situation is hopefully some of those hard

896
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: decisions are made for you and you could say, look,

897
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Speaker 1: we we loved X number of guys, this is the

898
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: guy that's left. We're going this route. Will feel good

899
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: about Tier two on day two tomorrow. All right, next

900
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: the last question, then I'll get your prediction. Here, I'm

901
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: waking up on Saturday morning on day three of the draft.

902
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: Where do you think there's gonna be a spot where

903
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, oh, all right, I can maybe

904
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: still get some round two value here at the very

905
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: top end of of round four, because this group just

906
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: happens to be so deep. I think the edge group

907
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Speaker 1: for the lack of appeal it has at the top

908
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: of the class, I think you get down into like

909
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: seventy five and down in the pecking order, and I

910
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: think there's some really good names in that area. So

911
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: if I'm just looking at the consensus rankings for TDN,

912
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Speaker 1: we've got one six seven guys in the top fifty,

913
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Speaker 1: and then another seven guys from fifty to so, and

914
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: and those guys are more schemes specific. They're guys like

915
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Speaker 1: Jennarius Robinson who didn't hadn't put it all together at

916
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Speaker 1: Florida State. They're guys like Peyton Turner from Houston who

917
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Speaker 1: played at to ninety and then cut to two seventy

918
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: this past year and played there. Uh So, so you

919
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: only have like a one year sample size of what

920
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: his body type looks like. You've got scheme specific guys

921
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: like hamilcar Rashed uh Jordan's Smith from from U A. B.

922
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: He used to be a recruit to the University of Florida.

923
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: So you have a lot of different types and depending

924
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: on what you're looking for. If you want early down guy,

925
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: you want a designated pass RuSHA that's not gonna play

926
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: on all three downs. You want a developmental guy. I

927
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: think the edge group, there's gonna be a lot of

928
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: value to be had. It's just a question of what

929
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: specifically are you looking for versus the rest of the league.

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Speaker 1: All Right, the Draft Network and you're the head haunch

931
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Speaker 1: over there, Kyle, you guys are the kings of the

932
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Speaker 1: mock draft simulators. I want to make this very tough

933
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Speaker 1: on you. I want round one, two, and three predictions

934
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Speaker 1: for you for the New York Giants and what you got,

935
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Speaker 1: let's go with. Let's go with Davante Smith, wide receiver

936
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: in the first round. If we're looking at offensive line,

937
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I could say Vera Tucker would

938
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Speaker 1: be there for you in the second round. Um, I

939
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: think that's unlikely. I'm with you. Yeah, it's it's not

940
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but we can, we could dream about it.

941
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Speaker 1: I'll probably go with an edge rusher, maybe Gregor Russo

942
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: in the early two I think he's got to realise

943
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: that I think he's got a realistic chance to to

944
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: get there. Um, I won't, I won't completely disqualify that

945
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Speaker 1: as a potential. And then you need third round as well.

946
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: Why not. I'm gonna make you happy. I mean give

947
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: you Tommy Tremble. There does make me happy, Kyle Man,

948
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Speaker 1: awesome stuff. Tell the folks where they can find everything

949
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: you do and everything about the Draft Network. Sure, so

950
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: if you're interested in following U me on social media,

951
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm at grinding. The tape of the Draft Network is

952
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: at the Draft Network, The Draft Network dot com, player rankings,

953
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: big boards, mock drafts, team specific content, college football content.

954
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: We've got three daily podcasts as well, so you get

955
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen podcasts a week that come out courtesy

956
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: if TD, and you can find all that on the website. Uh,

957
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: it's a great tool this time of year, but we

958
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: treat this process as a year round process just like

959
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: the teams do. So it's a great way to kind

960
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: of stay plugged in on college football. The team needs

961
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: of everybody in your division and your conference and you specifically,

962
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: and Uh, it's it's just really been cool to see

963
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: as it's grown. Uh, how many different ways that we

964
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: can attack football coverage, So check out the Draft network

965
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: dot com and yours truly. I'm on social media, I'm

966
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: at grinding the tape. Kyle, good stuff, my friend. We'll

967
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Speaker 1: talk soon. Enjoy the next three weeks. Thank you you too, John.

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Speaker 1: That's Kyle Crabs you thank him for joining us on

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Speaker 1: this episode of The Giants Huddle podcast. As a reminder,

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Speaker 1: you can find this podcast and all of our podcast offerings,

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Speaker 1: including our daily show every weekday noon Big Blue kick

972
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Off live on the Giants Podcast Network presented by Investors Bank,

973
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,600
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00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: Giants dot com, slash podcast, and on your favorite podcast platforms.

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Speaker 1: For Kyle, I'm Schmelk. We'll see you next time on

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Speaker 1: The Giants Huddle