1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From the Burkes shears to the sound from wherever you 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: live in MLB America. This is Inside the Parker. You 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: give us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: scoop on Major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Fame voter number eight, Rob Parker. Welcome into the podcast. 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm Rob Parker, your host, and what a show we 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: have in store for you today. We'll talk with Tom 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Braducci from Fox and the MLV Network who'll get us 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: caught up on the negotiations. Also great baseball writer Bob 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Clappers from the Newark Star Ledger he drops by, and 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: a special treat we'll talk with Doc Ellis, the third 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: that's right, the son of the former picture Doc Ellis. 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: That and much more. But first let's get it kicked 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: off with getting Robbed. To lead off, it's getting Robbed 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: and keep him on. Rob's hot take on the three 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: Biggest stories and Major Baseball Number three, Say it isn't so. 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: Aubrey Huff, the former Major League star, is at it again, 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: this time on social media, and I just can't get it. 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: He was critical of the government and medical people about 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: the lockdown in the country because of the coronavirus, and 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: uh went to some extremes to say, and I quote, 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: that he would rather die of coronavirus than wear a 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: mask and living fear. And Uh Huff just went on 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: to UH rip people for living in fear and and 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: wearing mask and said that he would go into stores 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: and he would refuse to wear a mask, and it 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: was against his rights as an American citizen, and so 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: on and so on. And obviously he has his own opinion. 29 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: But this is another point of why Huff was disinvited 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: to the reunion of the San Francisco Go Giants World 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: Series Championship. Team Huff continues to make all kinds of noise, 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: and I understand why an organization would rather not This 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: is not what they're looking for, this kind of negative publicity. 34 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: So for people who thought maybe the Giants were ridiculous 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: and not inviting him to the celebration of the championship, 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: I think you just found out the reason why. Number two. 37 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: I know people were shaking in their boots when they 38 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: saw the report that between six and eight owners were 39 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: so frustrated with where the negotiations were going that they 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: were going to say, just let's forget it. Let's not 41 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: have a season, and of course, uh the commissioner would 42 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: need uh two thirds of the owners to ratify any 43 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: kind of agreement with the players union. But I just 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't really think that the owners, even though sixth 45 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: or eighte who probably were frustrated when they even talked 46 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: about it, we're serious about the idea of not having 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: a season. I just don't believe it. They know what 48 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: kind of financial damage it would do to the sport. 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: And let's not forget baseball just signed a new deal 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: with tbs And and Turner for a billion dollars, So 51 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: the last thing that the owners want to do is 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: damage the product to where that deal wouldn't be worth 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: nearly as much money. So I get the frustration, but 54 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: just relax. Deep down, I believe the owners and the 55 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: players want a season number one, Thank goodness. I know 56 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: there's no deal done yet, but the bottom line is 57 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: they're talking. They met face to face. That's what we 58 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: wanted to hear. We know without meeting, there's no way 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: the deal can get done. But the commissioner, Rob Manford 60 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: and the union chief Tony Clark, they did meet. There's 61 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: some framework going on. That's all we could be happy about. 62 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, with the meeting, there is a 63 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: chance that a deal will be done and baseball could 64 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: start as early as July nineteen, and then we could 65 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: have maybe even expanded playoffs a little bit. But we 66 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 1: gotta get a Major League Baseball season in So this 67 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: is good news for everyone in Baseball America, good for 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: the players, good for the ownership, and good for the fans. 69 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: And no doubt about it. So movement has happened. We 70 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: have to feel optimistic. Uh it looked bleak just days ago, 71 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: back on Monday, but now there's a ray of hope. 72 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but I feel good. 73 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: I think we'll have baseball. Here comes the big interview. 74 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Listen and d all right, let's welcome into the podcasts 75 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: one of baseball's finance analysts, Tom Verducci, of course with 76 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Fox Sports and the MLB Network of God. Known for 77 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: a long time and admired Tom, Welcome to the podcast. Hey, 78 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: thanks for having me up. So we got some movement, Tom, 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: I think that's all. You know, you can't get a 80 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: deal if you don't meet face to face and try 81 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: to hammer out things. Where where are we on this? 82 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: I think we're talking about the framework of a deal. 83 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: Now it's not a done deal, but at least now 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: there is UH. Let's say there's territory where both sides 85 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: can agree on. And I think the big change here 86 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: number one, as you mentioned, face to face meetings, finally right. 87 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been the two sides have been communicating 88 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: via electronically for so long. But Rob Manford went out 89 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: and saw Tony Clark in Arizona and the day other changes, 90 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: they finally crossed the bridge to offering players appropriated pay. Uh. 91 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: Determination is how many games we play. But the players 92 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: were out of it from day one. They were not 93 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: taking what they call the second pay cut, and the 94 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: owners kept coming up with other proposals. This was the 95 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: first time they said, okay, we're giving you a percent 96 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: of your salary out of per game basis. Let let 97 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: me say this, Tom, this is the only part that 98 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't get. And I respect the union. They've worked 99 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: really hard to get what they have. They have the 100 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: best union in the country, way better than the other sports, 101 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: and they've sacrificed and done things. But in a pandemic 102 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: it looks so bad to me. The optics of everybody 103 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: else taking pay cuts and furloughs and forty million people 104 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: out of work, and the baseball players, you know, just 105 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't budge. Am I wrong? Well, no, I mean that's 106 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: the way I think a lot of fans look at this, 107 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: especially when you think about, what is it, forty million 108 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: people filed unemployment claims since the pandemic broke, So there's 109 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there sacrificing and suffering. And 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: for a sport with an average salary of four point 111 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: four million dollars, it's hard for people to wrap their 112 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: arms around the position the players took. But you know 113 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: again that the disagreement seen the owners and players were 114 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: so deep they couldn't agree on what they agreed on 115 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: back at March because back then they did have an 116 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: agreement and the players it took that the meme that 117 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: that covered even if games were played in empty ballparks, 118 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: and the owners were saying, well wait a second, No, 119 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean we need to now talk about how we're 120 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: gonna pay players in the face of no fans in 121 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: the ballpark. But I will say this rob that the 122 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: players were galvanized. They found their voice here after years 123 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: of talking about things like free agent compensation, pension plans, 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: economic systems. This was easy for players to rally around. 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: They're talking about taking money out of their paychecks, right, 126 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: everybody can relate to that, and I think for me, 127 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time, they were 128 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: solid on that position, and I think they probably surprised 129 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: the owners a little bit with how solid they were 130 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: on that on that front. Our guest this Tom Berducci, 131 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: of course baseball analysts for Fox Sports and MLB Network. 132 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: The idea that there would not have been baseball would 133 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: have damaged the sport itself and hurt the players. Uh. 134 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: If there was no obviously they would have lost salaries 135 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: for and then it would be hard pressed to look at, say, 136 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: like a guy like Mookie Betts who was gonna gonna 137 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: be a free agent looking for a big deal, a 138 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollar deal. All bets would have been 139 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: off if if there was no baseball? Am I right? 140 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: In fact, I've been saying that all along. What I've 141 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: been saying is that the lack of a season, like 142 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: no agreement whatsoever and no baseball, so you'd be talking 143 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: about seventeen months where baseball is dark. That to me, 144 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: all along has been the greatest incentive to get an agreement, 145 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: because the downside is enormous. You're not just talking about 146 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: losing games in twenty, you're talking about losing revenues in 147 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: one two. There's a compounding effect. How the heck of 148 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: teams go out there and sell sponsorships and advertising when 149 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: no game has been played for seventeen months. You know, 150 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the downside is enormous. And it was last month I 151 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: talked to a major living executive who has been through 152 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: all the labor wars when everything looked really really bleak 153 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: and both sides were, you know, playing the pr game 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: and saying nasty things about one another, and he said 155 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, they will reach an agreement 156 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: because they hoped to reach an agreement. So I'm with 157 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: you on that. At the downside to this is like 158 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: standing over a cliff and wondering it's gonna hurt if 159 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna jump. Well, yeah, they knew it was gonna 160 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: hurt big time if they jumped off the cliff. And 161 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: here's the other part. I know people in other sports, Tom, 162 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: they love to rail on baseball. Baseball's dying, this and that, 163 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: and and the facts just remain that baseball has had 164 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: growth seventeen years in a row of Financially, last year 165 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: was their greatest year ever, eleven billion dollars in revenue. 166 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: The sport has never been healthy, and we just went 167 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: through twenty six years of labor peace up until this 168 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: this thing here, Tom. And then on top of that, 169 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: in the midst of this, they signed a billion dollar 170 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: deal with Turner for for baseball in the future. I mean, 171 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: and and we saw three players last year gets huge contracts, 172 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: including Mike Trout four hundred and twenty million. So so 173 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: baseball was writing a wave until this situation. Yeah, I'm 174 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: glad you said that, because you know this whole saying 175 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: baseball is dying. I mean a lot of people think 176 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: that because they're using old metrics. Like if you're going 177 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: to TV ratings, I mean, look at the Oscars, look 178 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: at the end any kind of awards show or big 179 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: time TV show. Because there's so many guard channels and 180 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: choices out there, ratings are nothing of what they were 181 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties. I mean, that's that's just silly. 182 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: You can't measure it just on that alone. Attendance, Yeah, 183 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: it's dropped slightly the last seven years, but as you 184 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: mentioned their revenues are going up because they're finding more 185 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: and more ways to generate revenues. You know, people are 186 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: consuming baseball in more ways by more people than ever 187 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: in the history of the sport. So yes, it's very healthy. 188 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: And one reason it's very healthy, rob is be because 189 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: it's the king of live content, and that's the coin 190 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: of the realm and the entertainment world now and especially 191 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: now we're talking to the next few months here, with 192 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: no movie studio and TV studio can crank out a 193 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: new content because of the pandemic. You know, baseball will 194 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: be able to, I want to say, have the floor 195 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: to itself. But in terms of live content, man, you're 196 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: talking about more than two thousand games a year now, 197 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: an expanded postseason. That's what sells in today's world, and 198 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: baseball has that, no doubt about it. His name is 199 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,359 Speaker 1: Tom Verducci, one of the best in the business. Tom, 200 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: thanks for joining the podcast. Appreciate you. Hey, my pleasure up. 201 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: Thank you. It's time for the Pocket Protector Central the 202 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: analytic numbers. You need to know. Well, maybe Anthony Masterson 203 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: is his name, b S Analytics is his game. What 204 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: do you got for me? Anthony rob The new surrounding 205 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: baseball hasn't been exactly rosy lately, with these passing days 206 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: seemingly getting farther and farther away from anything resembled ling 207 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: a legitimate season. D Commissioner Manford can implement a fifty 208 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: game this hand be played, So should that occur, what 209 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: can we potentially see in terms of a postseason? Last year, 210 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: through the season's first fifty or so games, the a 211 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: L Division leaders were the ones who took the top spots, 212 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: the Yankees, the Twins, and Astros. The Plucky Rays would 213 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: have made the playoffs in a fifty game season last 214 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: year as well, the same way they did through a 215 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: full one or sixty two games, though that a wild 216 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: card opponent would have been the eventual third place Texas Rangers, 217 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: not the OPLAN A's and the n L a whole 218 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: different story. The fifty game division leaders were the Phillies, Cubs, 219 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: and Dodgers. With only l A taking the division at 220 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: the end of the year and the Phillies and Cubs 221 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: missing the playoffs completely, Atlanta and Milwaukee still would have 222 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: made the postseason. Those the eventual World Series champion Nationals 223 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: were at their famous low water mark of the season 224 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: a nineteen and thirty one star, second worst in the league, 225 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: only better than the Marlins. Now the rest, thankfully for 226 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Nats fans everywhere is history. What could pick the games 227 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: bring us this year is anybody's guests, and that is 228 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: it was a big week in the Big league? Who's 229 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: who's is it followed? Or is it fair? And now here? 230 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: Shadow League dot Com MLB insider JR Gambo all right, 231 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: j R. Until this point? Is it foul or fair 232 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: to say that it's the player's fault that a deal 233 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: hadn't been struck with Major League Baseball? That's found That 234 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: is a foul ball. Manfred has been mostly safe. Fancy 235 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: took over the from a front sea lift as NLP 236 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: commissioner and has prospered and had peace for the most part. 237 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: But Manfred's faces for the toughest challenge, ask commissioner because 238 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: the owners on fucking and neither are the players. He's 239 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: hired and paid by the owners, which makes the complicated, 240 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: and the players are very happy. He's walking to tighten 241 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: Anthon mccuttuugh's video Detective MB owners as fathers. He gets 242 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: in one of the players to accept whatever they did stout. 243 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: It's reported six owners don't want to play and others 244 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: don't like the way Manford's negotiated. He's also not compident 245 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: that the two thousand pointing season will happen. If the 246 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: league would give them full for rad of salaries, they 247 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: will probably come. But Menford needs a way to make 248 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: it happen. Anything else is gonna be seen as disingenuous, 249 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: and players time is running out. He doesn't want a 250 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: lost system on his watch. Take out this. It's time 251 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: for trash talk Twitter, Twitter with your chance to trash 252 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: anyone or anything in Major League Baseball. This week's winner 253 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: is Miami man though that's right at Lakers came three 254 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: oh five. He writes this, I'm trashing one guy and 255 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: one guy only, Robert D. Manford Jr. And don't even 256 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: speculate on what the d stance forlor This buffoon is 257 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: in way over his head and single handedly ruined the 258 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: sport that I've loved since I was six years old. 259 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: All right, if you want to be a winner like 260 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: Miami Mando, make sure you hit me up at Rob 261 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: Parker FS one on Twitter, and you indeed could win 262 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: a new era snapback baseball cap. Just like Miami Mando 263 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: for his hot take don't go back. When Rob was 264 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: a newspaper columnist, he lived by this motto, if I'm writing, 265 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm ripping. Let's bring in a writer, a broadcaster, older, 266 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,479 Speaker 1: new All right, let's welcome into the podcast Bob Clappish, 267 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: one of the best baseball writers in this country from 268 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: the Newark Star Ledgrod also MLB national columnist at the 269 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: Bleacher Report. Clap's happening, Rob in a long time man, 270 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: How are you doing? Gray? Uh? Even better because we 271 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: got some movement on baseball and clap. Obviously, there's still 272 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: ways to go before an official deal is done, but 273 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: you've got to be optimistic from the stuff that you 274 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: heard on Wednesday and where this was headed. Yeah, look, 275 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: it's been two two and a half months of terrible news. 276 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean, baseball couldn't have suffered any more damage to 277 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: its reputation, So any glimmer of progress is like a 278 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: gift from the gods. So, you know, part of me 279 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: was thinking that there was not going to be a season. 280 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean I was starting to wonder if they would 281 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: be able to be able to just break through this 282 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: impass this log jam. And it looks like maybe we 283 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: have some hope. You know, the next couple of days 284 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: I can iron out some some obstacles. There are still 285 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: some obstacles, but at least we have a possibility of 286 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: a season getting underway by the third week of July. 287 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: And that's good news. Clap. Let's let's be honest. If 288 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: there were no season, the damage dumb would fans when 289 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: you consider the landscape we're in where people forty million 290 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: people apply for unemployment benefits and people have been furloughed 291 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: and let go all over the country. And had this 292 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: not been able to get done, people would have looked 293 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: at baseball and said, wait a minute, billionaires and millionaires 294 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: arguing over you know, splitting the revenue, and we had 295 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: a summer with no baseball. How much damage would it 296 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: have done? Rob, I think the damage has already been done. 297 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean, even if there is UH an abbreviated schedule 298 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: that's agreed upon and we do see baseball in July 299 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: for two months in a hurry up postseason. I mean, 300 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: there's no question that baseball's place in this country has 301 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: suffered because of the vicious infighting and you know, the 302 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: lack of self awareness and to realize as he said, 303 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: given what's going on in this country, you know, social unrest, unemployment, 304 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: millions sick, grand did, hundreds of thousands dead, so much 305 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: of it, you know, baseball could have addressed or at 306 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: least help, And the fact that the two sides couldn't 307 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: come together until today hopefully, it really speaks to how 308 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: divided the sport is and how broken it is. It 309 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: was just an awful stretch for this game. So I 310 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: think there's some fans, you know, the short term, I'm 311 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: not going to come back now. If it had not, 312 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: if the season still collapses, if it if it can't 313 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: get together over the you know, in in this final stretch, 314 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: then you know, I would say that that soccer has 315 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: a good chance of catching and passing baseball in the 316 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: National States. That's how damaging this episode has been. Say 317 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: it isn't so oh my god. His name is Bob Clappish, 318 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: of course, baseball writer for the New York Star Ledger 319 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: and national columns at the Bleacher Report. Baseball though, coming 320 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: into this, which was the weirdest part, was twenty six 321 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: years of labor peace, uh, seventeen years of growth and 322 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: revenue and last year eleven billion dollars and revenue went 323 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: on the heels of it. Clap. You know, we saw 324 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: the TBS Turner deal for billion dollars, so so baseball 325 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: has never been healthier. Why don't these sides trust each other? 326 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: And here's the other part that tickled me. When the 327 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: players were saying that they wanted the owners to open 328 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: up the books, and I said to myself, to show 329 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: that they've paid people thirty five and pretty million dollars 330 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: a year, like like the idea of it is like 331 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: like they're getting short changed or they're not making any money. 332 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: I I found it. I found it to be funny. 333 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: There's a there's a great deal of money coming into 334 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: the sport, as you said, and there's also a great 335 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: deal of distrust. You're right that that there's money flowing 336 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: into the game, but that's TV money, and the players 337 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: suspect that the owners are hiding it, bearing it, and 338 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: they were overstating their losses this season and what they 339 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: could they could the losses that they could suffer. You know, 340 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: there's no doubt that the revenue is at an all 341 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: time high, but it's also true that sport has suffered declining. 342 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: The attendance in each of the last four seasons. And 343 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: that's the challenge here is not a not only finding 344 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 1: a way to make peace and get the game back 345 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: on the field, but be appealing to to the next 346 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: generation of young fans. They're not watching baseball. Baseball fans 347 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: are older and eventually they're gonna age out, they're gonna 348 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: pass on, and you've got to replace it with somebody. 349 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: And those young fans are either watching the NBA, they're 350 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: watching football, they're watching soccer. And believe me, these last 351 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: two months have not helped sell the brand to a 352 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: much broader audience. And that that's what's really in front 353 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: of Rob Manford right now. How do we grow this 354 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: game in a meaningful way for the future. Speaking of 355 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Rob Manford, the commissioner, you know, of course he's the 356 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: league guys out front people. I've been bashing him big time, 357 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: but but this sport has been through this, this and 358 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: that he's not the first commissioner to ask the deal 359 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: with this. This is just a part of the job, 360 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: isn't it. When I look at what he's done or 361 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: what's been on, We've we've had work stoppages that the sixties, 362 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties. You know what I mean, like 363 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: for on and on and on, no matter who's the commissioner, 364 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: how much blame does he really get. Well, that's a 365 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: great question. I mean it's a thankless job, you know, 366 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: trying to be the commission holding and trying to trying 367 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: to get all the moving parts working in sync. But 368 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: this commissioner, whether it's true or not, whether it's perceived 369 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: or or or real, there's a sense in baseball that 370 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: he really doesn't love the game. He's just a lawyer. 371 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: He's a businessman. He's a frontman for the owners. Looks. 372 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: Say what you want about Bud Sealig, I mean, you know, 373 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: he loved the game. I really think he loved baseball 374 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: in his soul. I don't know if that's true of 375 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Rob Manford. I think he's a very very smart guy. 376 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: He's a brilliant man. He's an I be educated labor lawyer, 377 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: has all the credentials on paper. But I don't think 378 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: he's relatable to the players in the sense that he 379 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: truly loves baseball the way some of his predecessors did. 380 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: Like blood But like Bud Sealing, Now, it's true that 381 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: he has done tremend He's done good work enhancing the 382 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: games revenue, there's no doubt, and he's made some necessary 383 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: changes to the rules. He's doing his best to modernize 384 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: the sport. But at the very core, does he love 385 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: the sport, Does he love the players? Does he get 386 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: it that the players are the oxygen, the true blood 387 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 1: of the game that remains to be seen. I don't know. 388 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: The perception is is that he doesn't clap one last 389 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: thing on the future and the health of baseball. I 390 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: talked to gambling people, and you know, with with gambling 391 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: now be gonna be you know, legal in most states, 392 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: and people are gonna have be able to bet. Even 393 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: some people think at ball games, you know, as the 394 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: games are going on, I'm told that baseball will be 395 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: the bigger beneficiary of gambling on games, even bigger than football. 396 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: Abe there's more games and be there are more things 397 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: to gamble on, like at bats, whether guy strikes out, 398 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: whether guy hits a fly ball, like there's all these 399 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: other angles. Have you heard much about that? And that 400 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: could be a new revenue source that could help baseball 401 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: moving forward. That is a you've just touched on on. 402 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: I think the new frontier, maybe the final frontier. That's 403 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: how baseball is going to save his self robbed. And 404 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: we could spend hours talking about it, because you're right, 405 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: because baseball the old fashioned way is just having a 406 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: hard time keeping fans attentions, attention span. I mean they 407 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: have mostly reach jiggered the ballparks to make it an 408 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: entertainment experience. Uh, there's food, there's all kinds of widened concourse, 409 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: there's other things to do during the game. But ultimately 410 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: people need to watch the game. The way that they 411 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: pay attention to football, and the way to do it 412 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: ultimately is by gambling, is by betting on that bats 413 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: and strikeouts and run totals. And I think ultimately that's 414 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: how you bring the next generation in and get him 415 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: to locking on the sport, because right now the sport 416 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: is too slow and it's too boring for most younger fans. 417 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: All right, he is Bob Clappus, a guy worked with 418 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: back in the eighties at the Daily News in New York, 419 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: A guy I live and copied my baseball style aster. Bob. 420 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You You know that you're you're giving away 421 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: our age. Robin, Thank you appreciate having me. No doubt 422 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. Stay well, You and your 423 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: family clap all right, thank you. Now it's time for 424 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: some diamond dust with wish TVs. Phil Sanchez. He played 425 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: baseball in college. Now Here is MLB knowledge overshadowed by 426 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: the disastrous news coming out of Major League Baseball. Is 427 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: a story that any other year would be huge news. 428 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: On Monday, Rob's New York Yankees and Major League Baseball 429 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: appeal the ruling by a judge ordering a letter from 430 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: MLB Commissioner Rob band For to the Yankees GM Brian Cashman. Now, 431 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: according to various reports, the letter details and investigation into 432 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: possible sign stealing Bobby Yankees in the evening. The letter 433 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: allegedly points to the Yankees improperly using a dugout phone 434 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: to call back to the replay room in an effort 435 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: to steal opponents signed And this all comes, of course, 436 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: after the Houston Astros were seriously punished for using cameras 437 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,959 Speaker 1: to steal signs back in. That scandal resulted in the 438 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: outsting of Astro's manager A. J. Hinch, Red Sox manager 439 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: Alex Cora, and future Mets manager Carlos Beltron. Now, whether 440 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: or not the letter is released remains to be seen, 441 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: but the Astros players, of course, having a field day 442 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: with the news. Many took to social media to troll 443 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: the Yankees, specifically Aaron Judge, who was very outspoken about 444 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: the Astros. Now, baseball has way bigger concerns right now, 445 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: but this has the potential to be the perfect example 446 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: of the old cliche those who live in glass houses 447 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: should not throw stones. Now bringing the closer, here's why 448 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: MLB is better than the NFL or NBA, and it 449 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: isn't even close. The reason baseball is better than the 450 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: NBA and the NFL is because of great stories like 451 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: this one. It was fifty years ago a week ago 452 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: that Doc Ellis, pitching for the Pittsburgh Pirates, reportedly pitched 453 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: a no hitter on l s D. We woke him 454 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: in the Son of the Late doc Ellis, doc Ellis, 455 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: the three Doc tell Us. Is that story true or not? 456 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: It's it's all the way true for me, just going 457 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: over with my dad and seeing certain things that he's 458 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: done and us his antics I was able to witness 459 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: after his playing career, He's always spoke his mind and 460 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: was no nonsense and just needing that help every game. Uh, 461 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: you know the Greenies. He's mentioned before and documentaries and stuff, 462 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: just his fear of failing and wanting to stay there. 463 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: You know, he's able to get a twelve year career, 464 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: so I know he was about his business and trying 465 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: to stay at that peak level. But let's just be honest. 466 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people whenever that comes up, 467 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: and it was the fiftieth anniversary, so that's why it's 468 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: it's you know, reason to mention it. But your dad 469 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: was a hell of a picture and for people just 470 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't remember Doc ellis just for the supposedly LSD game. Correct. 471 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, in l A growing up with Chech Brewer, 472 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 1: he was old brother that tried to get um some 473 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: of the young blacks in the area to have interest 474 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: in baseball, and he took a liking to my my 475 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: father and developed an array of pictures about four or 476 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: five pitchers, and like I said, he was able to 477 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: maintain a nice career. You know, seventy seventy one, the 478 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: no hitter and um this all Star start with by 479 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: the blue another black picture back in the day, and 480 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: just that all black starting line. Though some of those 481 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: things you also and certainly six you know you've got 482 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: a ring with the Yanks, so um you do this thing, 483 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: no doubt. Thanks for sharing some memories of your late dad, 484 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: Doc Ellis the three joining us here on Inside the Parker. 485 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Dot any time Row. In the words 486 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: of New York TV legend the late Bill Jorgensen, thanking 487 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: you for your time this time until next time. Rob 488 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: Parker out. He can't get this could be an Inside 489 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: the Parker to see you next week, same bad time, 490 00:28:42,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: same mad station. First