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Speaker 1: quarantine gift to all of you. It is another day
Speaker 1: in quarantine. I think that here in New York we
Speaker 1: are up to maybe day forty seven. Who the hell
Speaker 1: knows one day meld into another. But what is keeping
Speaker 1: my attention and keeping my fury is this administration. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many more fucking stories we need to
Speaker 1: break that tell us about how much the Trump administration
Speaker 1: knew about the coronavirus, how much they decided not to
Speaker 1: act Now. The latest reporting from the Washington Post tells
Speaker 1: us that while the United States was telling people not
Speaker 1: to get masks and not to wear them in public
Speaker 1: and that they wouldn't need them, that the Trump administration
Speaker 1: was buying mass from Taiwan for senior officials. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not enough that Jared Kushner called the federal supply
Speaker 1: of ventilators hours. It's not enough that Trump is, you know,
Speaker 1: like an infomercial used car salesman, trying to have people
Speaker 1: believe the hype about the hydroco clean pill that is
Speaker 1: being sold by his biggest donor. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: one fucking scandal after another. And in the interim of
Speaker 1: all of this, of dealing with all of this bullshit
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, here's another thing that is added
Speaker 1: to the pile. You know why your stimulus check is
Speaker 1: going to be late because Donald Trump wanted to put
Speaker 1: his fucking name on it, because he wanted to sign
Speaker 1: it right so that he could say I gave you
Speaker 1: American person a check right, as if he's cutting it
Speaker 1: out of his own fucking money. At the narcissism, the
Speaker 1: ignorance really at this point is deadly. There was a
Speaker 1: rally that was held yesterday a protest, an anti coronavirus
Speaker 1: protest to protest being on lockdown and staying home. Stupid
Speaker 1: idiot Republicans decided to gather in mass to protest and
Speaker 1: say that they believe the coronavirus is a hoax and
Speaker 1: to own the liberals, they're gonna get out into the streets.
Speaker 1: Good for you. And you know what I say to
Speaker 1: those people, go lick as many fucking poles as possible.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go to the grocery store and lick
Speaker 1: the fucking conveyor belt. Like, if you are that dumb,
Speaker 1: if you are that ignorant, then by all means, you know,
Speaker 1: you ask yourself, how did we get here? How did
Speaker 1: we get to a place where people are so ignorant
Speaker 1: that they refuse to believe science, that they refuse to
Speaker 1: believe facts, that they are just so within, so deep
Speaker 1: in their tribe and in their bubble, that they would
Speaker 1: put their lives at risk that of their family and
Speaker 1: their friends because they believed this president when he said
Speaker 1: that this was a democratic hoax. You know, this is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When people don't understand that words have power,
Speaker 1: and everyone just kind of shrugs off the ship that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump says. But there are real people out there
Speaker 1: forty percent of the population that believes the things that
Speaker 1: he fucking says and takes them to heart and believes
Speaker 1: everything that Foxnews says, and they are putting people's lives
Speaker 1: in danger. If Fox News and Donald Trump did the
Speaker 1: right thing and told people, you know what, this is
Speaker 1: actually fucking dangerous. Do you know what happened yesterday? Yesterday
Speaker 1: was the deadliest day for the coronavirus. Thousands of people died.
Speaker 1: More people died yesterday then died in the Twin Towers
Speaker 1: in New York on nine eleven. But did you hear
Speaker 1: Donald Trump mention any of that at his press conference?
Speaker 1: Did you hear him offer any bit of empathy, any
Speaker 1: bit of sadness that over twenty five thousand Americans are dead,
Speaker 1: have lost their lives. Do you hear him offering any
Speaker 1: kind word, any word of encouragement to let us know
Speaker 1: that we as Americans have been through tough times and
Speaker 1: we'll get through this together. No, he spends his time
Speaker 1: congratulating himself, congratulating his business partners, patting CEOs on the back,
Speaker 1: and when he is caught off guard by you know,
Speaker 1: real questions from real reporters who ask follow ups like
Speaker 1: PAULA Reed did, like Yamish alisindor does he loses his mind?
Speaker 1: We are starting to see, at least with CNN, that
Speaker 1: their chirns are actually fact checking the president in real
Speaker 1: time as he's speaking that they are calling out his
Speaker 1: behavior and not just ignoring it, because it fucking matters.
Speaker 1: All of this, all of this us being in this
Speaker 1: moment could have been avoided if we didn't provide Donald
Speaker 1: Trump with the free airtime that he's been given ever
Speaker 1: since he came down in the escalator. If we had
Speaker 1: called out his lies, called out his impossibly childish behavior,
Speaker 1: maybe Madam President would be leading us in a crisis.
Speaker 1: And do you know what the women are showing, the
Speaker 1: women that are heads of state, heads of countries right now,
Speaker 1: that there have the ability to flatten curve. You know why?
Speaker 1: Because I believe that women put less of their ego
Speaker 1: out front when leading. They surround themselves with the experts.
Speaker 1: If they don't know, then they ask questions. But Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: remember told us some four years ago, I alone can
Speaker 1: fix this. Right. He doesn't take responsibility for anything that
Speaker 1: has to do with the virus. But if things start
Speaker 1: going well, then he's going to take responsibility for that.
Speaker 1: How does that work exactly? Also, how do you talk
Speaker 1: about reopening a country that you never shut down? You know, folks,
Speaker 1: we have two hundred plus days until election day. Okay,
Speaker 1: I will talk with my friends today on the show
Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirshner, and
Speaker 1: we will talk withal scientist and political editor at The Grio,
Speaker 1: Christina Grier, and I'm gonna unpack. We're gonna unpack this
Speaker 1: moment right the things that we are missing in the news,
Speaker 1: William Barr, Attorney General Barr saying that we need to
Speaker 1: return to a Christian country. What we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, he's out there bribing the Australians
Speaker 1: much in the same way that they did with the
Speaker 1: Ukrainians to get more information about how the Mulla report
Speaker 1: got started. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that Wisconsin pretty much gave the president a big
Speaker 1: middle finger with their election results. Welcoming back to Woke
Speaker 1: af Daily, we are bringing back MSNBC and NBC News
Speaker 1: legal analyst and former thirty year federal prosecutor Glenn Kirshner
Speaker 1: joining us to weed through I guess guide us through
Speaker 1: the fact that Trump decided to dip his toes into
Speaker 1: authoritarianism by expressing this week that he has total control
Speaker 1: over the States, only to then back off of his
Speaker 1: claims about democratic governor's mutiny. Tell us, Glenn, how this
Speaker 1: how Donald Trump is essentially just staring in the face
Speaker 1: of the Tenth Amendment and saying, man, that seems like
Speaker 1: a suggestion. Yeah, good morning, Danielle. That's one of the
Speaker 1: amendments that Donald Trump doesn't really care for. Loves the
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, not so much the Tenth Amendment. And when
Speaker 1: you say he dips his toe into authoritarianism, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, I think he has donned the crown, he's
Speaker 1: put on a robe, he's picked up a scepter, and
Speaker 1: he has sat down on his throne. Because you know
Speaker 1: what he completely ignores is that the tenth Amendment to
Speaker 1: the Constitution, in twenty seven words, sets out the balance
Speaker 1: of power between the federal government and the States. And
Speaker 1: here's what it says. And then and then I'll of
Speaker 1: the cipher it a little bit because it's in that
Speaker 1: old English, right, So the Tenth Amendment just says that
Speaker 1: the powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution,
Speaker 1: nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
Speaker 1: the states, respectively or the people. Now, James Madison summed
Speaker 1: up what that means in the Federalist Papers, Number forty five.
Speaker 1: And you know, let me just say, I'm going to
Speaker 1: put up James Madison's understanding of the Constitution against Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's every day of the week. I mean, James Madison
Speaker 1: was only not only the founding father, but is often
Speaker 1: referred to as the father of the Constitution. Right, our
Speaker 1: fourth president. What he said, he said that the powers
Speaker 1: of the federal government in the Constitution are and I
Speaker 1: quote few and defined, and the powers of the state
Speaker 1: government the state governments are and I quote numerous and indefinite.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole exercise was to you know, put
Speaker 1: limits on the powers of the king. That kind of
Speaker 1: is the charter of our country. Right, and yet Donald
Speaker 1: Tump stood up on TV and said, literally, I have
Speaker 1: total power. And then Daniel. What was even worse was
Speaker 1: when you know, little Mikey Pence and I hate to
Speaker 1: talk like that, I shouldn't be that smart alarchy. When
Speaker 1: Vice President Pence stood up and co signed that statement
Speaker 1: by the president that unconstitutional power grab by the president
Speaker 1: by saying, and I quote that's right, the president has
Speaker 1: plenary power, plenary meaning absolute. That really was somehow more
Speaker 1: upsetting because we know Donald Trump has never read the Constitution,
Speaker 1: but Mike Fence probably as more than once, and he
Speaker 1: actually knows what an outright liar he is being when
Speaker 1: he co signs the president on having absolute power and authority.
Speaker 1: But they don't care about being caught in lies. So
Speaker 1: Donald Trump makes this declaration. Then he takes to his
Speaker 1: favorite platform, to Twitter, to then say that the Democratic governors, right,
Speaker 1: who were organizing amongst themselves? And why are they organizing
Speaker 1: amongst themselves? Because there's no federal leadership, right, so they
Speaker 1: are left to essentially design their own plans. The Northeast,
Speaker 1: the West, they're all organizing. And he says that that
Speaker 1: is an act of mutiny. How does that make sense?
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. And we've known for three and
Speaker 1: a half years that we've had a president. But you
Speaker 1: know the problem is we have a presidency unhinged, where
Speaker 1: there is nothing controlling, you know, how the presidency operates
Speaker 1: these days. You would have thought that, you know, responsible
Speaker 1: Republicans would have stepped in and said, you know, the
Speaker 1: Republicans for all time have been states rights kind of people.
Speaker 1: They are all about limiting the federal government's power. I mean,
Speaker 1: how often did they complain about President Barack Obama wielding
Speaker 1: too much power and trying to assert himself in ways.
Speaker 1: They asserted that the conservative you know, leaders in the
Speaker 1: country asserted was unconstitutional because the power resides in the
Speaker 1: states by by design, the Tenth Amendment says, the power
Speaker 1: resides in the states and the people except for those
Speaker 1: very few things that the federal government gets to do
Speaker 1: raise armies, collect taxes, nominate judges. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a very few things left to the president, and everything
Speaker 1: else resides in the state and the people. So you
Speaker 1: would have thought that these Republicans, who have believed that
Speaker 1: to their core, if they're gonna taken at their word
Speaker 1: for all time, would now be telling the President of
Speaker 1: the United States, look sport, that is not the way
Speaker 1: this stuff works. But we have both a president and
Speaker 1: a presidency that seems to be completely unhinged, completely unmoored
Speaker 1: to the rules that govern our country. You know, yesterday
Speaker 1: Governor Cuomo, my governor, took to his normal briefings and
Speaker 1: essentially provided Donald Trump and America with a lesson in
Speaker 1: the Constitution and when over what it is that governors
Speaker 1: can do right, which is run their states. I think
Speaker 1: that after that, you know, I don't know who tapped
Speaker 1: Donald Trump on the shoulder and whispered in his ear
Speaker 1: and said, you know you can't tweet that. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't do these things that you're saying that you're
Speaker 1: going to do, such as just magically reopen a country
Speaker 1: you didn't shut down. And you know, I wonder do
Speaker 1: you think that what this, this this exercise in stupidity
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is engaging in. Do you think that
Speaker 1: it will show people just how little power this particular
Speaker 1: president has. Yes, or ordinarily I would say yes, Danielle. However,
Speaker 1: what if the president continues to up the antient. Now
Speaker 1: it looks like he hasn't because he's it looks like
Speaker 1: he's I don't want to use the term punking out.
Speaker 1: It looks like he's backing down right, And some of
Speaker 1: his more recent tweets in his campaign rally masquerading as
Speaker 1: a press conference last night, he was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to let the governors decide, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: urge them to open immediately or almost immediately. So it
Speaker 1: looks like somebody has tugged on his sleeve and said,
Speaker 1: look sport, you can't order them to open, You can't
Speaker 1: order them to close. You can't order them to do anything,
Speaker 1: and maybe they put like a cartoon version of the tent,
Speaker 1: and then then in front of him a little schoolhouse
Speaker 1: flock left and then they said, look, mister president, you
Speaker 1: actually can't do what you just told the American people
Speaker 1: you're going to try to do. So it looks like
Speaker 1: he's backing down. But then the question becomes does he
Speaker 1: ratchet it up again? And does he say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't just like you. You know, you can see
Speaker 1: that his advisors over time tell him you can't do it,
Speaker 1: you can't do it, you can't do it. And as
Speaker 1: even Kelly said, if left to his own devices, with
Speaker 1: yes people all around him, he will be impeached because
Speaker 1: his instincts are just that bad and his understanding of
Speaker 1: the presidency is just that poor. And in fact he
Speaker 1: was impeached. But will will he get that, you know,
Speaker 1: impatience again? Will he ratchet it up? And will he say, listen,
Speaker 1: I've decided, don't tell me I can't do it. I'm
Speaker 1: ordering the states to open their economies, to open their businesses.
Speaker 1: And if they don't, hey, military, y'all busy right now?
Speaker 1: And then what do we have? Do we have you know,
Speaker 1: national guards from various states up against our military. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's hope go and knock, go and knock on doors
Speaker 1: and pull people out by their shirt collars and say
Speaker 1: that you have to go to work. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: practical way to sort of set out or design how
Speaker 1: it would work, because it shouldn't work, because that is
Speaker 1: not our system of government. My fear is always Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: because he doesn't understand and he doesn't honor our system
Speaker 1: of government. May try to do something, you know, tomorrow
Speaker 1: even crazier than today. So all of the blame that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is trying to shift, Right, he is trying
Speaker 1: to shift the blame of not taking any thoughtful, actionable
Speaker 1: measures to keep Americans safe. Right, he had a two
Speaker 1: month head start. He squandered it by calling this pandemic
Speaker 1: a hoax. He has blamed China, he tried to, you know,
Speaker 1: change the name of the virus right into essentially a
Speaker 1: racist epitaph. And now he's cut funding to the World
Speaker 1: Health Organization in the midst of a global pandemic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his recklessness causes lives. It costs lives, It costs American lives.
Speaker 1: There's no two ways about it. But Is it a crime?
Speaker 1: This is this is the question that I keep coming
Speaker 1: back to because we call them criminals. We know that
Speaker 1: he has been impeached. It is just it has just
Speaker 1: been brought to the attention by the Daily Beast that
Speaker 1: William Barr right in the midst of negotiating hostages. Who
Speaker 1: who knew about this? I didn't hostages being released Australian
Speaker 1: hostages being released from Iran's favor though, was another freaking
Speaker 1: favor from a foreign leader, as it pertains to the
Speaker 1: Muller report. How glad, how I don't know you think it,
Speaker 1: Danielle let and you know you hit the nail rout
Speaker 1: of ahead no bars, globe trotting, basically engaging in qui
Speaker 1: pro quos with foreign government saying, oh, you want X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z from the United States, you want our
Speaker 1: help in releasing some bloggers that are being Australian blockers
Speaker 1: that are being held in Iran. We need a favor, though,
Speaker 1: We need you to help us unravel the origins of
Speaker 1: the Muller investigation. I mean that you know that we
Speaker 1: don't do criminal justice by quid pro quo. I mean,
Speaker 1: and we can talk all day long about how yes,
Speaker 1: we plea bargain, and isn't that a form of quick
Speaker 1: pro quo and I we can have a rope ust
Speaker 1: debate on that. But he is running around the globe
Speaker 1: leveraging the United States power to give to other countries
Speaker 1: what they want as long as those countries will help
Speaker 1: undermine the Muller Report and help work to the advantage
Speaker 1: the political advantage of Donald Trump. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: just when you think it doesn't get any more dangerous
Speaker 1: or any more unhinged, we learn about this. I think
Speaker 1: yesterday we got this article. It is just, yes, we
Speaker 1: got it yesterday. It just seems to be no end.
Speaker 1: There seems to be no end, Glenn. And in the
Speaker 1: midst of all of this, they still continue to appoint
Speaker 1: judges like I mean, what does the end look like.
Speaker 1: The end looks like an enormous blue wave. Look, we
Speaker 1: just got encouraging results from Wisconsin. Notwithstanding Trump's best efforts.
Speaker 1: The candidate for the Wisconsin Supreme Court that Trump was
Speaker 1: backing got trounced, got trounced as an incumbent, mind you.
Speaker 1: So this is just a continue indication that the blue
Speaker 1: wave that was building in twenty eighteen during the midterms
Speaker 1: continues to build. And here's what it looks like, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, once it sweeps Vice President Biden into power
Speaker 1: and he becomes president, he actually appoints people who will govern,
Speaker 1: who will lead from a place of honesty, integrity, empathy, compassion, decency,
Speaker 1: and a genuine concern for the working class and for
Speaker 1: the least among us in our country who need their
Speaker 1: help the most. They will actually lead from that place.
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing they have to do. They
Speaker 1: have to investigate this criminal cabal that is the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: And it's Trump, it's Pence, it's Pompeo, it's Mulvaney, it's
Speaker 1: bar it's Manution, it's all and it's rotis Ibaka, it's
Speaker 1: all of them. Not as retaliation, not as what's called
Speaker 1: pejoratively victor's justice, but actual justice. It's not vindictive. If
Speaker 1: there have been people committing crimes in plain sight, but
Speaker 1: because they've enjoyed the protection of the party in power,
Speaker 1: they haven't been investigated. It doesn't make it retribution or
Speaker 1: revenge or retaliation. When the other party comes into power
Speaker 1: and says, we see all these crimes that have gone unaddressed,
Speaker 1: we now have a responsibility to investigate them and if
Speaker 1: the evidence supports it, to prosecute them. So that's why
Speaker 1: all of these crimes will have to be investigated, and
Speaker 1: if the evidence supports it, they'll have to be prosecuted.
Speaker 1: Let the criticism come. Let people say you're just being vindictive. No,
Speaker 1: we're not. We're just belatedly enforcing the laws. Do you
Speaker 1: think that you know, Joe Biden is coming off of
Speaker 1: the height of endorsements right from Bernie Sanders to Barack
Speaker 1: Obama to now Elizabeth Warren. Does he make this right
Speaker 1: holding Trump responsible for all of his criminal behavior, for
Speaker 1: all of his actions against the United States. Does he
Speaker 1: make that part of his campaign? That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I think he's already on record as saying, I will
Speaker 1: let the Attorney General do what the Attorney general is
Speaker 1: supposed to do, independent of the White House and independent
Speaker 1: of the President, investigate what in the world went on,
Speaker 1: and then, if appropriate, great prosecutions that I think is
Speaker 1: the right balance the strikes. So I don't as much
Speaker 1: as we all you know, And here's why that question
Speaker 1: is difficult to answer, and I can, I can. I
Speaker 1: can argue it both ways, that I can argue the
Speaker 1: upside and the downside of answering that question both ways.
Speaker 1: Here's why it's so difficult to answer. We already have
Speaker 1: virtually an indictment of ten count indictment, and it's Volume
Speaker 1: two of the Mulla Report, where there are ten felony
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice offenses that are documented in there against
Speaker 1: the president. Ordinarily, we need an investigation before we can say,
Speaker 1: should Joe Biden make as a plank of his platform
Speaker 1: that these people will be prosecuted. We already have an indictment,
Speaker 1: so it's we're already ten steps down the road to
Speaker 1: answering that question. Yes, of course there must be prosecutions,
Speaker 1: because we've already seen that the crimes have been committed.
Speaker 1: But I still think VP Biden is taking the sort
Speaker 1: of thoughtful principle conservative approach of saying, when I'm elected,
Speaker 1: I will let my attorney general do what an attorney
Speaker 1: general is supposed to do, independent of the White House,
Speaker 1: investigate and, if appropriate, prosecute. You know, the question that
Speaker 1: I asked you all the time just because I need to,
Speaker 1: you know, I need to calm my nerves. Can this
Speaker 1: president move the election? Not lawfully? But when has that
Speaker 1: ever stopped him? Correct. So the answer is he will try,
Speaker 1: and ordinarily the law would disallow it. But unfortunately, because
Speaker 1: Bill Barr is the one who determines what the law
Speaker 1: will and will not allow, I fear Bill Barr will
Speaker 1: enable him, will find some ridiculous argument to make that
Speaker 1: in this time of national emergency, there is some legal
Speaker 1: vehicle that allows the elections to be postponed, even though
Speaker 1: he would be wrong about that. But he's been wrong
Speaker 1: about so much else before, So what would stop Barr
Speaker 1: from being wrong again and telling Trump? You know what,
Speaker 1: mister president, I think if we call one eye and
Speaker 1: turn our heads at a certain angle, we can find
Speaker 1: a legal vehicle to postpone the elections. What in the
Speaker 1: world is going to stop Donald Trump and Bill Barr,
Speaker 1: that corrupt tandem from trying to do that. I think
Speaker 1: they'll fail. There is there anything that fail. I think
Speaker 1: they will fat Okay, but I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be a Donnie Brook hold on tight. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a battle royale, and hopefully, you know, what is
Speaker 1: right and fair and just and lawful will win the day.
Speaker 1: We'll have the elections in November and Trump will be
Speaker 1: swept out. You know of the oval office. I pray
Speaker 1: that you are right. I really do, because every single day,
Speaker 1: you know, something else. It's like they just throw everything
Speaker 1: at the wall. And in this time of great anxiety
Speaker 1: and great strife, they know that we can't possibly pay
Speaker 1: attention to it all. Like when I saw the report
Speaker 1: about the Aussie Prime minister, a dear God, like this
Speaker 1: is this is just but but but months after impeachment
Speaker 1: and this is what they're doing. So one can only
Speaker 1: imagine what happens if they aren't stopped, if we the
Speaker 1: last frontier do not stop them in November, God help
Speaker 1: this country. Yeah. And Donald Trump, though, is the only
Speaker 1: way to stay out of prison is to get reelected.
Speaker 1: I've never seen the defense in a criminal case of reelection,
Speaker 1: but that is his only defense. It's the only thing
Speaker 1: keeping him out of jail. Yep. And you know, when
Speaker 1: people's backs are against the wall, they will do pretty
Speaker 1: much anything. And I know that in your thirty year career,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen it all, but this is still
Speaker 1: absolutely shocking coming out of a president of the United States.
Speaker 1: It's still I reserve, you know, I am often not
Speaker 1: shocked by Donald Trump anymore, but it's just the brassness
Speaker 1: of it, the boldness of it. It is just jarring
Speaker 1: to me. And how Republicans are just lockstep right, oh,
Speaker 1: States right, States rights, States rights, and then no, he's
Speaker 1: the totalism right. I'm like, what happened to you? What
Speaker 1: happened to you? Isn't this the basis of your party?
Speaker 1: Just absolutely bizarre? Well, Glenn Kirshner, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for keeping your legal eye on this corrupt administration. And
Speaker 1: we will talk to you again in a week to
Speaker 1: see what we're digging ourselves out of. Then, thanks, Daniell,
Speaker 1: keep up a good fight. Thank you so much. So
Speaker 1: happy to welcome back to Woke, a f daily political
Speaker 1: scientists Associate professor at Fordham University, doctor Christina Greer, and
Speaker 1: politics editor at The Grio. Girl, Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1: So we look, I don't know why we still have
Speaker 1: to use the word presumptive nominee. It looks like we
Speaker 1: have a nominee in Joe Biden. Over the past seventy
Speaker 1: two hours, he has been endorsed by everyone that matters,
Speaker 1: from Bernie Sanders to Barack Obama to Elizabeth Warren reactions.
Speaker 1: How are we feeling about these endorsements? Do we've you know,
Speaker 1: they came right a hell of a lot sooner than
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Yeah, So in that respect, I feel
Speaker 1: like we're doing well. That it's April and here we
Speaker 1: are in the midst of a global pandemic, but now
Speaker 1: we have an active nominee. What do you what do
Speaker 1: you feel about it? I think the endorsements are great,
Speaker 1: you know, in the sense that they came earlier, as
Speaker 1: you said, But what needs to come also with the
Speaker 1: endorsements is the work. Yes, right, like Bernie Sanders and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren had some really strong grassroots supporters who do
Speaker 1: not like this centrist wing of the Democratic Party. They
Speaker 1: specifically don't like Joe Biden, and he's going to need
Speaker 1: them to really articulate to their bases why having a
Speaker 1: Democrat in office is so important. And it's been so
Speaker 1: frustrating to talk to, you know, some of my students
Speaker 1: who are you know, hardcore Bertie Standard supporters, and they're
Speaker 1: just like, I just can't vote for Biden. It's like,
Speaker 1: do you not understand the existential threat of the second
Speaker 1: term of Donald Trump? And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing Democrats coalesce really diverse democrats ideologically diverse Democrats coalesced
Speaker 1: around Joe Biden. I think shows certain members of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party how these leaders really feel about like the
Speaker 1: future of not just the party but the country. All Right,
Speaker 1: It's like, listen, we got to play the hand that
Speaker 1: we had, and so we need to play it as
Speaker 1: best as we can. Because I don't think economically intellectually,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, seeing how the president is handling
Speaker 1: this den I don't know if our democracy can withstand
Speaker 1: another four years. And I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm being
Speaker 1: I'm saying that as someone who studies the Constitution and
Speaker 1: studies other democracies around the world and saying like this
Speaker 1: is not a sustainable existence for us. You know, It's
Speaker 1: funny because I always say, like, I'm not being hyperbolic here,
Speaker 1: you know, in the same in the same vein, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, you would think that our republic, which is
Speaker 1: you know, old, not in comparison to you know, thousands
Speaker 1: of years like other like other nations. We are still
Speaker 1: fairly young. But you would think that our two hundred
Speaker 1: and what is it, you know, fifty plus, Yeah, fifty
Speaker 1: plus years could withstand four bad ones. But that is
Speaker 1: not the yeah, But it depends on what kind of
Speaker 1: bad ones, you know. I mean, we've had incompetent executives before,
Speaker 1: but you know, in a globalized economy, we need someone
Speaker 1: who understands and specs not just the rule of law
Speaker 1: within our nation, but how we play in the same
Speaker 1: box with others. And so black women, per usual are
Speaker 1: canaries in the mind. And we're the ones who were like, listen,
Speaker 1: danger is ahead because you and danger girl. So it's like,
Speaker 1: come on, Molly, get into Like we're the ones who
Speaker 1: told y'all in twenty sixteen, this man doesn't understand economics.
Speaker 1: He's he's tanked every single company he's been given. How
Speaker 1: do you fail at a casino? I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: it's a casino. The house all we I literally thought
Speaker 1: that was like taking candy from a baby. I like
Speaker 1: when George Bush, you know, tanked a baseball team, I
Speaker 1: was like, you mean an American baseball team? Like America
Speaker 1: is baseball? How do you think tank a baseball team
Speaker 1: in Texas? For Pizzick, we're sports is king. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at someone like Donald Trump, who's a grifter,
Speaker 1: he's a liar, you know, he's a misogynist, he's a racist,
Speaker 1: he's a xenophobic, I mean all the things, and who
Speaker 1: told people all the things, but then you still had
Speaker 1: full team was just like, well, my candidate didn't win
Speaker 1: in the primary, or my candidate didn't, you know, do
Speaker 1: what I want. And so they just packed up their
Speaker 1: marbles and left and not they never thought like, oh,
Speaker 1: children in cages, Well, that doesn't everything to do with me.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, guess what, You're not being able to
Speaker 1: go to work at something to do with you. You
Speaker 1: being stuck at home and trying to educate children had
Speaker 1: something to do with you, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: think that far too many Americans just never saw what
Speaker 1: I would say black women saw in the danger of
Speaker 1: a Trump presidency. And unfortunately we're hearing kind of like
Speaker 1: whispers of that same kind of bad behavior. And then
Speaker 1: in addition, you know, this is for the two of
Speaker 1: us who spend a lot of time, you know, in
Speaker 1: the media talking about politics. There were also quite a
Speaker 1: few people in twenty sixteen who did not have any
Speaker 1: qualifications to talk about politics. They're smart in their respective fields,
Speaker 1: but it's like, why are you telling people not to vote?
Speaker 1: Why are you telling people to vote for Jill Stein
Speaker 1: or you know, Gary Johnson, because hey, it won't make
Speaker 1: a difference. You know, both of the candidates are the same.
Speaker 1: They absolutely are not the same. And whether you like
Speaker 1: Hiller Clinton or not, you cannot deny that this woman reads.
Speaker 1: She's smart. You know, the fact that you've led what
Speaker 1: she reads. She read, She reads and and and and
Speaker 1: you know, and is intellectually curious to defining characteristics of
Speaker 1: a president that I believe surround you should have and
Speaker 1: surround herself with people who are intellectually curious. And she
Speaker 1: and Barack Obama both surrounded themselves and people say, you
Speaker 1: know more than I do on this particular topic. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about that for a minute, because I really
Speaker 1: think that the most important characteristic of a of a president,
Speaker 1: right is recognizing what you do not know and then
Speaker 1: having the wherewithal right to go find those people who
Speaker 1: do know. Right, value when we value experts and expertise,
Speaker 1: But when you're the president of the United States like
Speaker 1: Barack Oba Mama, which just feels, oh, I'm interested in
Speaker 1: string theory. Let me invite the you know, the leading
Speaker 1: scientists who understands stringth theories. Let's just have a conversation
Speaker 1: with him because I'm curious, right, and so let's no,
Speaker 1: we're probably not going to get anyone, you know, as
Speaker 1: intellectually curious as Barack Obama anytime soon. But you know,
Speaker 1: we have some talent on that stage, right with twenty
Speaker 1: two people on those two stages, a lot of them
Speaker 1: were really smart, Like a lot of them, you know,
Speaker 1: would have been really great in governance, and they already
Speaker 1: were pretty solid in governance, you know, and they cared
Speaker 1: about here were public servants, which I think is also
Speaker 1: a fundamental difference. You know, let Donald Trump is not
Speaker 1: a public servant. Let's talk about the fundamental differences right now.
Speaker 1: Just in terms of there's an article that has been trending,
Speaker 1: and I think that this is interesting for the both
Speaker 1: of us because we are both black women. But there's
Speaker 1: an article that's been trending that Forbes put out a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and it's and the title is
Speaker 1: what two countries with the best coronavirus responses have in
Speaker 1: common women leaders? So Germany, Taiwan, New Zealand, Iceland, Finland, Norway,
Speaker 1: Denmark have all managed to flatten their curves, right, And
Speaker 1: it is phenomenal to me that no one other than
Speaker 1: this article is talking about this right, the fact that
Speaker 1: it is all women who have been doing the most right.
Speaker 1: And then you have Donald Trump, and we're talking just
Speaker 1: now about Hillary Clinton being obviously one of the most
Speaker 1: qualified people to ever run for president of the United States,
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Warren surrounding themselves with the right people creating
Speaker 1: the right plans. What do you think it is about
Speaker 1: women leaders in this particular moment that is serving their
Speaker 1: countries as a juxta position against the bumbling idiot man
Speaker 1: that we have that fifty three percent of white women
Speaker 1: voted for because they didn't trust themselves. Well, let's also
Speaker 1: be clear that white women are the keepers of patriarchy
Speaker 1: and always have been, right. I mean, this is how
Speaker 1: you have us chatl flavory existing for four hundred years.
Speaker 1: It's not men alone, right, It's like women women kept
Speaker 1: that going to white women. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 1: all the political science literature and all the business literature says,
Speaker 1: you know, women are more collaboratives. Like we see this
Speaker 1: all the time when people observed, you know, college students,
Speaker 1: you know in projects, you know, women tend to be
Speaker 1: the ones who volunteer to you know, do the heavy
Speaker 1: lifting even though the mail and the group will will
Speaker 1: present the report. You know, I see this all the time.
Speaker 1: When I break my students off into groups. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so it'll be a group of three women and one man,
Speaker 1: and you know, I hear them, I hear all the
Speaker 1: ideas floating around, and then it's like, okay, so I
Speaker 1: need someone to report out to the group, and the
Speaker 1: male reports out to the group, even though the three
Speaker 1: women who had all the ideas right. And so we
Speaker 1: know that women are much more This is the economics
Speaker 1: and the business literature. Women are much more likely to say, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd rather the result come out and
Speaker 1: you know, me not have all the credit and just
Speaker 1: have like the right result, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: need to sort of make it meani me. I don't
Speaker 1: need to put my name in the memo section of
Speaker 1: a check for the stimulus package that will delay people
Speaker 1: getting their checks just because I need to have my
Speaker 1: name on it. You know, like women tend to be
Speaker 1: less narcissistic when it comes to executive level leadership and
Speaker 1: much more collaborative. So it is a much it's a
Speaker 1: wider net of ideas that women will then synthesize and
Speaker 1: put forward. So the listening skills. I mean, we see
Speaker 1: this all the time as educators. You know, who waits
Speaker 1: to talk versus who listens, and those are two totally
Speaker 1: different things. And we know but from a very young age,
Speaker 1: you know, bad behavior and boys is sort of celebrated
Speaker 1: and sort of excused away and tolerated in a way
Speaker 1: that it's not with women. I mean, my favorite example
Speaker 1: is always when I just gently when I break my
Speaker 1: seat and self into groups, I'm just like, I just
Speaker 1: want the women move in the class to just before
Speaker 1: you volunteer to be described, think about how many times
Speaker 1: you volunteer to be described, or if you're in a
Speaker 1: group of people like, oh, Danielle, can you take the notes? Right?
Speaker 1: It's it's just this happens at a very young age, right,
Speaker 1: And so just making them aware and time and time again,
Speaker 1: every single semester. I've been teaching almost fifteen years now
Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. Actually I have teaching years of
Speaker 1: school level. Time and time again, you have boys who
Speaker 1: will say, oh, well, professor, career, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be described because my handwriting is terrible, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: here write is not going to get good if you're
Speaker 1: never described how honey, so like gets to writing, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting how boys are allowed to sort
Speaker 1: of just kind of say like, oh, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: bad handwriting, so I don't want to do it, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't do it, and it's just like that's that's
Speaker 1: something minor. But it goes into a larger psychosis of
Speaker 1: how we see because we know, if you're the scribe,
Speaker 1: you're participating, but you're not really you're not actively participating
Speaker 1: because you're trying to write down what is being said
Speaker 1: by others. Right. And so in this moment where we
Speaker 1: have someone like Joe Biden, you know who, lots of
Speaker 1: folks are you know, still looking their wounds about Bernie
Speaker 1: or whomever else they support it. You know, is he ideal? No?
Speaker 1: Is he the same as Trump? Absolutely not? And I
Speaker 1: think that's the frustrating piece when I talk to especially
Speaker 1: young people who you really wanted Bernie, and it's like listen,
Speaker 1: First of way, you need to understand how institutions work.
Speaker 1: Second way, you need to understand the ideological diversity within
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and people who don't live in major cities, right,
Speaker 1: and who aren't young and progressive. And yes, he said
Speaker 1: a lot of things that make sense, but when we
Speaker 1: think about how they would work in an institutional structure
Speaker 1: that we that we have, it's like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we can't imagine a better America. That's not what I'm
Speaker 1: saying at all. But I'm also saying it's like the
Speaker 1: type of sweeping change she wants, It's like our institutions
Speaker 1: aren't set up to satisfy that, right, right, so we
Speaker 1: can adopt some of it, but like, let's be clear,
Speaker 1: the frameworks set is up specifically so that we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have someone who had some like, oh, I've got new ideas,
Speaker 1: let's all change the ship. It's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they wanted it to be turning around the Titanic in
Speaker 1: a bathtub all purpose. Because as much as you have
Speaker 1: good ideas from from a person like Bernie, you could
Speaker 1: also have bad ideas from person like Trump. It's like, luckily,
Speaker 1: our institutions are serving as a stop gap so that
Speaker 1: you know they're they're they're breaking down and they're faltering,
Speaker 1: but at least they're serving as a stop gap. So
Speaker 1: this president hasn't been able to come in and just
Speaker 1: become a complete and total tyrant with zero checks and
Speaker 1: balances and zero stop gaps for us. I mean, isn't
Speaker 1: he a tyrant? Because you know when the manns, he's
Speaker 1: definitely TEDI let me ask you something. You know, we have,
Speaker 1: you know, two hundred plus days until election day, if
Speaker 1: in fact we have an election. Um. And I have
Speaker 1: you know, my co host of Democracy Ish Torrey, who
Speaker 1: you know, um, who says he really needs to be
Speaker 1: in love with Joe Biden and he wants Joe Biden
Speaker 1: to like fight for his vote and this then and
Speaker 1: the other thing. And I keep telling Torrey to get
Speaker 1: over it, um, and that like this decision is now
Speaker 1: literally between life and death, right, Like what you like?
Speaker 1: What do you want? Do you want more Americans dead?
Speaker 1: Or do you you know and that would mean the
Speaker 1: continuation of a Trump presidency or do you want? Um?
Speaker 1: Uh to? Right? Like, our our entire democracy is on
Speaker 1: a ventilator right now. Okay, but motherfucker's getting ready to
Speaker 1: pull the plug. So what does what does Biden need
Speaker 1: to do to persuade the passionates? Right? The folks that
Speaker 1: are are so passionate and need to feel like they're
Speaker 1: going to the polls for something and not against something right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's where Bernie can assist him in
Speaker 1: articulating that message to the people who really support, you know,
Speaker 1: to progressive ideals. I mean, I tend to be like, listen,
Speaker 1: you know, black folks have been voted for racists and
Speaker 1: people that they dislike for a long time. Sure, I
Speaker 1: would love if we would have this ideal, perfect candidate,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't exist. And so for me at least,
Speaker 1: as you said, we're now in life and death, not
Speaker 1: just as far as our populace is concerned, but as
Speaker 1: far as our democracy is concerned. So I tend to
Speaker 1: be more of the camp where it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: Sure that would be cute, great, but like, get over yourself,
Speaker 1: get your behind to the polls and vote to make
Speaker 1: sure that Donald Trump is not the president, because if
Speaker 1: we have four more years of Donald Trump, like, is
Speaker 1: Biden gonna be perfect? No? Can he be pushed? Yes,
Speaker 1: he's closer to Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump is, you know.
Speaker 1: And Donald Trump tries to play foot seas with the
Speaker 1: white nationalists who support Bernie Sanders at times, and so
Speaker 1: like that's where the similarities sort of begin. And end.
Speaker 1: But you know, Biden's much closer ideologically to Bernie than
Speaker 1: Donald Trump ever will be or the incompetent band of
Speaker 1: you know individuals he has as his minions in his administration.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, sure, ideally I would love for someone
Speaker 1: to call me up, met Chrissy, what can I do
Speaker 1: to get your vote? Right now? I'm like, say, we
Speaker 1: got bigger fish to fry, So like, why can't we
Speaker 1: work on making sure that this man, as imperfect as
Speaker 1: he may be, getting Joe Biden in office? Because at
Speaker 1: least we know that he would have competent people who
Speaker 1: share the idea is in values of say a Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders candidate. He will he has to because of the
Speaker 1: ideological diversity and if he wants to get anything done.
Speaker 1: And so this kind of purity test of you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden doesn't pass you know this, this progressive purity test.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, he probably doesn't pass the test,
Speaker 1: you know what. But there is a difference between say, uh,
Speaker 1: you so always say it's like, you know, asparagus and
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be very frame asparagus and ship votes
Speaker 1: fell bad. But they're not the same, right, But I'd
Speaker 1: rather go with asparagus, come okay? And so I just
Speaker 1: I think there's a level of frustration because and you know,
Speaker 1: I've thought was worry about this quite a bit where
Speaker 1: it's like that's a level of a privileged position where
Speaker 1: we're just like Joe Biden doesn't satisfy me. And so
Speaker 1: and it's like, so what do you do. You're not
Speaker 1: go vote. You're not going vote and give this man.
Speaker 1: I don't care that you live in New York, but
Speaker 1: it's like you potentially give Donald Trump another four years.
Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about children and ages in weeks.
Speaker 1: We I mean we have we haven't talked about just
Speaker 1: just to put it in contact, we have been under lockdown.
Speaker 1: Today is like forty five days, right, girl, I've lost track? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I only have three days of the week, girl, yesterday, today,
Speaker 1: and tomorrow come on, um and and two times a
Speaker 1: day the time I drink coffee and the time I
Speaker 1: drink bourbon. So we've been un there, this lockdown for
Speaker 1: some forty something days. And in that time, no one
Speaker 1: has uttered shit about what is happening at these detention
Speaker 1: centers where what the coronavirus cases are there. We're talking
Speaker 1: about regular prisons, but not the ones that this administration
Speaker 1: has purposely created for our undocumented people. We know nothing
Speaker 1: that's happening to say nothing about the low key deportations.
Speaker 1: We know that you know, Askan and Caribbean noundocumented people
Speaker 1: are ten percent roughly of the undocumented population, but twenty
Speaker 1: percent of the deportations. I mean, like, oh, it is
Speaker 1: ravaging our communities. We still haven't recovered from the two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight you know, great depression and now I
Speaker 1: mean back then, you know, it affected a lot of Americans,
Speaker 1: but not everybody here. Everybody's on lockdown, right, Like I
Speaker 1: can't just go to London and hang out with my
Speaker 1: friends because it's like, oh this sucks here. Let me
Speaker 1: just go to London and had everybody's on lockdown, right
Speaker 1: when you have the mob who can't make money, Like
Speaker 1: there's been some really interesting articles. It's like the mob
Speaker 1: can't make money right now because they don't have any
Speaker 1: sports going on. They don't have any casinos, they don't
Speaker 1: have any betting, they don't have any restaurants. Like it's
Speaker 1: like with they're struggling, Like you messed up Trump, especially
Speaker 1: when we have Obama on record saying, we are funding
Speaker 1: this organization and we're funding you know, this research, and
Speaker 1: we have these people on you know, in my cabinet,
Speaker 1: on staff because no, we haven't had a global pandemic
Speaker 1: and you know all that, but hey, guess what we're
Speaker 1: do for. We're doing for something sometimes soon. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a really great piece, you know, because I
Speaker 1: follow sports quite closely, but how the US Open has
Speaker 1: paid for kind of like basically pandemic insurance for I
Speaker 1: think seventeen years. They've paid two million dollars a year
Speaker 1: for insurance in case they ever have to cancel the
Speaker 1: US And they were like two million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: But you know, they make so much money. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is one of the great legacies of Mayor Dinkins
Speaker 1: of New York bringing the US Open to Queens. And
Speaker 1: so they've put out thirty four million dollars. Well this year,
Speaker 1: guess what, there's no US Open and so they're insured
Speaker 1: for like one hundred and thirty million dollars. Like they're
Speaker 1: good if the insurance company still has money, right, and so,
Speaker 1: but we've never seen you know, I was circulating an
Speaker 1: article this morning amongst my professor friends. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: we might not go back to school and fall. There's
Speaker 1: a very large chance that we will not be in
Speaker 1: class in the fall. There are a lot of parents
Speaker 1: who a won't have the fifty sixty thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: pay for their kids to go to school, and B
Speaker 1: they don't want to pay fifty sixty thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: some zoom classes, right, because we all know when you
Speaker 1: go to college, you're only in class for like ten
Speaker 1: hours a day. It's all the other stuff that makes
Speaker 1: college such a worthwhile experience, you know, hanging out with
Speaker 1: people from other other places, other backgrounds, the clubs you
Speaker 1: know that you're a part of, and the social organizations.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm not doing any of that. What am
Speaker 1: I paying for? What am I paying for to see
Speaker 1: Chrissy Greer on a computer screen for an hour and
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes triice a week. Look, I think that's the
Speaker 1: calculus that a lot of parents are going to make.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, yes, I've still been keeping
Speaker 1: at my level of instruction and trying to be as
Speaker 1: engaging and exciting is you know, trying to replicate that process.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult, you know. It's like I've never travel
Speaker 1: online before. My teaching styles very much of the techtile
Speaker 1: making sure I sort of curtail every lesson to sort
Speaker 1: of all thirty five students in the room. It's very
Speaker 1: difficult when I'm on zoom and I'm kind of scrolling
Speaker 1: back and forth. You know, when it's hard for people
Speaker 1: to pay attention when they're sitting in their bedroom, you know,
Speaker 1: looking at a computer screen. You know, it's just our
Speaker 1: world is going to change fundamentally, and the way we learn,
Speaker 1: the way we engage, the way we vote, the way
Speaker 1: the way we shop, the way we shop, the way
Speaker 1: we dress. I mean, all of these things like are
Speaker 1: going to be up ended and well, and you know
Speaker 1: what I've been thinking about though. It's like a good
Speaker 1: friend of Rhyne went to work one day, came home
Speaker 1: and her apartment building had burned down to the ground.
Speaker 1: Oh God, And all she had were her work clothes
Speaker 1: and her exercise clothes because she'd gone to the gym.
Speaker 1: It came home and nothing was there. And I was
Speaker 1: so inspired by her because she decided, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to just buy, you know, buy everything and recreate my
Speaker 1: whole my old life. I'm going to I knew things
Speaker 1: and try new things and sort of create a new
Speaker 1: life after this fire, you know, And I'm really curious
Speaker 1: and a touch worried as to how we will be
Speaker 1: as a nation. It's like, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: things in this country that weren't working. But in our
Speaker 1: haste to get back to quote unquote normal which no
Speaker 1: longer exists, will we actually try and replicate old models
Speaker 1: just because that's it feels comfortable to kind of go
Speaker 1: back to where we were. And it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: think we can ever do that. So this is the
Speaker 1: time to envision what our democracy could look like in
Speaker 1: a new way. You know. This is where Joe Biden
Speaker 1: should and could lean on Bernie Sanders and sort of
Speaker 1: saying it's like, okay, so I initially said these things,
Speaker 1: but that was in the past. So now how do
Speaker 1: we think about this world where it's like, you've got,
Speaker 1: you know, middle class folks that will never be okay again,
Speaker 1: especially middle class folks of color. I think that you know,
Speaker 1: I've said many times that I believe in the phoenix,
Speaker 1: the idea that you need, at some point in time
Speaker 1: to burn shit down in order to rise anew, that
Speaker 1: there is fertile ground to be created in the ashes.
Speaker 1: But I think that to the point that we're going
Speaker 1: to try and replicate what was done, and we know
Speaker 1: what has failed, but we're going to replicate that out
Speaker 1: of comfort, right, because you find comfort in what is
Speaker 1: perceived to be the norm, the routine. I think that
Speaker 1: what this situation is forcing in all of us is
Speaker 1: the stretching that is needed, and it is painful. Growth
Speaker 1: is painful, right, But I think that that's what this
Speaker 1: moment calls for. There's a reason. You know, if you
Speaker 1: are one of those people that do believe that there
Speaker 1: is a reason for everything, and I don't necessarily believe that,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that this virus came for a reason, right,
Speaker 1: I do believe that. You know, in this moment, we
Speaker 1: are forced inside nature Mother Nature because needs a break
Speaker 1: from humans and the trampling that we have done on
Speaker 1: this planet, and we need to write the ship. But
Speaker 1: she doesn't trust us to do that, right, So she's like,
Speaker 1: y'all go to her rooms because I have Well, I
Speaker 1: was giving you warning signs time and time again, right,
Speaker 1: I kept giving you warning signs, like what did you
Speaker 1: think these hurricanes and tornadoes were what did you think
Speaker 1: these earthquakes were? Right? And it's again, we weren't listening.
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, you know what, Now everybody gets
Speaker 1: to sit down. Take Yeah, now everybody gets to sit
Speaker 1: down and take a breath. And I think gets to
Speaker 1: come back. The buffalo, but the dolphins get to come back,
Speaker 1: the birds, the bees get to come back. I think
Speaker 1: that in this time, this pause, as as our Governor
Speaker 1: Cuomo refers to it as a New York pause, I
Speaker 1: think that our democracy needs to pause, and it has right,
Speaker 1: it is halted under Trump and I and I believe
Speaker 1: that this is a time for bold imagination, bold recreation
Speaker 1: and even you know, I know that. You know yesterday
Speaker 1: I said to you, I said, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: what did you think about Barack's enentorsement? And you're like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was you know, he did what he does, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what I felt about it, and what I appreciated
Speaker 1: is when he said, you know what, let's not look
Speaker 1: to the past because if I ran today, I'm not
Speaker 1: running the same campaign I ran in two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight because the world is completely different, right, right, Like
Speaker 1: the world is completely different, and if you are governing
Speaker 1: from a place of nostalgia, which frankly I also thought
Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit of a rub at Biden.
Speaker 1: Remember Biden's been campaigning on this. Yeah, right, let's go.
Speaker 1: You guys can then go back to brunch and you
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about how correct and you can
Speaker 1: and you can just you know, you can go act
Speaker 1: to doing what it was that before you became so
Speaker 1: completely attached to Twitter and the tickers and the news
Speaker 1: feeds to make sure that while you were at brunch
Speaker 1: the world wasn't coming to an end. But when Barack
Speaker 1: Obama said in his endorsement video, I wouldn't run the
Speaker 1: same campaign. You can't look backwards. We can only look
Speaker 1: forward forward and the most diverse democratic field with the
Speaker 1: most thoughtful people, this is where we're moving. And I
Speaker 1: think that if I am Joe Biden right now, after
Speaker 1: I've had this very lit seventy two hours of endorsements,
Speaker 1: I am now the nominee. I don't need convention, most
Speaker 1: likely won't have one anyway, you know, to anoint me.
Speaker 1: It's like, now you need to pull together all of
Speaker 1: the best people, all of the best teams, right, come
Speaker 1: up with a big, bold vision and roll that shit
Speaker 1: out along with your vice president pick as soon as possible, right,
Speaker 1: But I think we also and I agree with everything
Speaker 1: you've said. I think we also just need to be
Speaker 1: honest though about some of our friends within the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party who actually are just fine with the way things
Speaker 1: used to be, right, because that limits women and people
Speaker 1: of color, and women of color especially having too much
Speaker 1: power and too much say. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: we got some issues within the Democratic Party when it
Speaker 1: comes to race and racism and understanding just how bad
Speaker 1: things are and just how unequal they are on a
Speaker 1: host of levels. And so that's that's a larger conversation.
Speaker 1: The problem is when do we have it right? We
Speaker 1: didn't have it during good times, and we kind of
Speaker 1: can't have it now because we're in the middle of
Speaker 1: the pandemic. But I'm like, but maybe we could, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all kind of home, we're captive audiences.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, this nation has never
Speaker 1: had that conversation because it's never a good time to
Speaker 1: have a conversation, and so my question has always been, well,
Speaker 1: what are we going to have it? Because we actually
Speaker 1: can't ever move forward until we have that hard conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think a lot of our good friends
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party are willing or capable of having
Speaker 1: that conversation. Well, we're going to need to and that's
Speaker 1: why you and I continue to talk. Yeah, we go,
Speaker 1: we go need to have that conversation, Doctor Christina Greer,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much as always for joining us. You.
Speaker 1: I absolutely do and so hey, listen, let's just free
Speaker 1: for our democracy every day, every day of working progress.
Speaker 1: Thank you, friend. Okay, have a one. We still have
Speaker 1: power and I need people to remember that. I need
Speaker 1: you not to lose hope. We have an election that
Speaker 1: is coming in No is our candidate perfect? No he
Speaker 1: is not. But is he the devil? No, he is not.
Speaker 1: He is a decent, hardworking patriot that has put himself
Speaker 1: and his family on the back burner for much of
Speaker 1: his life in order to better America. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of leader that I want in the White House. That's
Speaker 1: who I want ushering me through these dark, dark Corona times.
Speaker 1: Does Biden have faults? Absolutely? Are any of them anything
Speaker 1: in comparison to what Donald Trump is doing? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to have debates about what kind
Speaker 1: of candidate we should have had. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about who's in the White House right now? All right, folks,
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