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Speaker 1: quarantine gift to all of you. It is another day

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Speaker 1: in quarantine. I think that here in New York we

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Speaker 1: are up to maybe day forty seven. Who the hell

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Speaker 1: knows one day meld into another. But what is keeping

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Speaker 1: my attention and keeping my fury is this administration. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many more fucking stories we need to

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Speaker 1: break that tell us about how much the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: knew about the coronavirus, how much they decided not to

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Speaker 1: act Now. The latest reporting from the Washington Post tells

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Speaker 1: us that while the United States was telling people not

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Speaker 1: to get masks and not to wear them in public

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Speaker 1: and that they wouldn't need them, that the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: was buying mass from Taiwan for senior officials. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not enough that Jared Kushner called the federal supply

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Speaker 1: of ventilators hours. It's not enough that Trump is, you know,

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Speaker 1: like an infomercial used car salesman, trying to have people

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Speaker 1: believe the hype about the hydroco clean pill that is

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Speaker 1: being sold by his biggest donor. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: one fucking scandal after another. And in the interim of

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Speaker 1: going to be late because Donald Trump wanted to put

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Speaker 1: his fucking name on it, because he wanted to sign

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Speaker 1: it right so that he could say I gave you

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Speaker 1: American person a check right, as if he's cutting it

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Speaker 1: out of his own fucking money. At the narcissism, the

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Speaker 1: rally that was held yesterday a protest, an anti coronavirus

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Speaker 1: protest to protest being on lockdown and staying home. Stupid

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Speaker 1: say that they believe the coronavirus is a hoax and

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Speaker 1: to own the liberals, they're gonna get out into the streets.

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Speaker 1: Good for you. And you know what I say to

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Speaker 1: those people, go lick as many fucking poles as possible.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you go to the grocery store and lick

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Speaker 1: the fucking conveyor belt. Like, if you are that dumb,

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Speaker 1: if you are that ignorant, then by all means, you know,

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Speaker 1: you ask yourself, how did we get here? How did

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Speaker 1: believe facts, that they are just so within, so deep

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Speaker 1: put their lives at risk that of their family and

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Speaker 1: their friends because they believed this president when he said

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Speaker 1: that this was a democratic hoax. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. When people don't understand that words have power,

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Speaker 1: forty percent of the population that believes the things that

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Speaker 1: everything that Foxnews says, and they are putting people's lives

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Speaker 1: actually fucking dangerous. Do you know what happened yesterday? Yesterday

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Speaker 1: How does that work exactly? Also, how do you talk

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Speaker 1: we have two hundred plus days until election day. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I will talk with my friends today on the show

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Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirshner, and

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Speaker 1: moment right the things that we are missing in the news,

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Speaker 1: William Barr, Attorney General Barr saying that we need to

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Speaker 1: fact that Wisconsin pretty much gave the president a big

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Speaker 1: legal analyst and former thirty year federal prosecutor Glenn Kirshner

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Speaker 1: the fact that Trump decided to dip his toes into

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Speaker 1: authoritarianism by expressing this week that he has total control

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Speaker 1: claims about democratic governor's mutiny. Tell us, Glenn, how this

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Speaker 1: amendments that Donald Trump doesn't really care for. Loves the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, not so much the Tenth Amendment. And when

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Speaker 1: what he completely ignores is that the tenth Amendment to

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Speaker 1: plenary power, plenary meaning absolute. That really was somehow more

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Speaker 1: you think that what this, this this exercise in stupidity

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Speaker 1: you said, But what needs to come also with the

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Speaker 1: endorsements is the work. Yes, right, like Bernie Sanders and

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren had some really strong grassroots supporters who do

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Speaker 1: not like this centrist wing of the Democratic Party. They

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Speaker 1: specifically don't like Joe Biden, and he's going to need

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Speaker 1: them to really articulate to their bases why having a

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Speaker 1: Democrat in office is so important. And it's been so

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Speaker 1: frustrating to talk to, you know, some of my students

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Speaker 1: who are you know, hardcore Bertie Standard supporters, and they're

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Speaker 1: just like, I just can't vote for Biden. It's like,

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Speaker 1: do you not understand the existential threat of the second

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Speaker 1: term of Donald Trump? And I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: seeing Democrats coalesce really diverse democrats ideologically diverse Democrats coalesced

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Speaker 1: around Joe Biden. I think shows certain members of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party how these leaders really feel about like the

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Speaker 1: future of not just the party but the country. All Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, listen, we got to play the hand that

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Speaker 1: we had, and so we need to play it as

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Speaker 1: best as we can. Because I don't think economically intellectually,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, seeing how the president is handling

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Speaker 1: this den I don't know if our democracy can withstand

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Speaker 1: another four years. And I'm not being hyperbolic. I'm being

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that as someone who studies the Constitution and

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Speaker 1: studies other democracies around the world and saying like this

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Speaker 1: is not a sustainable existence for us. You know, It's

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Speaker 1: funny because I always say, like, I'm not being hyperbolic here,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the same in the same vein, because

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you would think that our republic, which is

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Speaker 1: you know, old, not in comparison to you know, thousands

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Speaker 1: of years like other like other nations. We are still

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Speaker 1: fairly young. But you would think that our two hundred

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Speaker 1: and what is it, you know, fifty plus, Yeah, fifty

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Speaker 1: plus years could withstand four bad ones. But that is

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Speaker 1: not the yeah, But it depends on what kind of

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Speaker 1: bad ones, you know. I mean, we've had incompetent executives before,

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Speaker 1: but you know, in a globalized economy, we need someone

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Speaker 1: who understands and specs not just the rule of law

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Speaker 1: within our nation, but how we play in the same

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Speaker 1: box with others. And so black women, per usual are

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Speaker 1: canaries in the mind. And we're the ones who were like, listen,

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Speaker 1: danger is ahead because you and danger girl. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: come on, Molly, get into Like we're the ones who

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Speaker 1: told y'all in twenty sixteen, this man doesn't understand economics.

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Speaker 1: He's he's tanked every single company he's been given. How

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Speaker 1: do you fail at a casino? I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: it's a casino. The house all we I literally thought

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Speaker 1: that was like taking candy from a baby. I like

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Speaker 1: when George Bush, you know, tanked a baseball team, I

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Speaker 1: was like, you mean an American baseball team? Like America

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Speaker 1: is baseball? How do you think tank a baseball team

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Speaker 1: in Texas? For Pizzick, we're sports is king. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, looking at someone like Donald Trump, who's a grifter,

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Speaker 1: he's a liar, you know, he's a misogynist, he's a racist,

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Speaker 1: he's a xenophobic, I mean all the things, and who

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Speaker 1: told people all the things, but then you still had

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Speaker 1: full team was just like, well, my candidate didn't win

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Speaker 1: in the primary, or my candidate didn't, you know, do

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Speaker 1: what I want. And so they just packed up their

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Speaker 1: marbles and left and not they never thought like, oh,

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Speaker 1: children in cages, Well, that doesn't everything to do with me.

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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, guess what, You're not being able to

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Speaker 1: go to work at something to do with you. You

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Speaker 1: being stuck at home and trying to educate children had

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Speaker 1: something to do with you, you know. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that far too many Americans just never saw what

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Speaker 1: I would say black women saw in the danger of

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Speaker 1: a Trump presidency. And unfortunately we're hearing kind of like

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Speaker 1: whispers of that same kind of bad behavior. And then

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Speaker 1: in addition, you know, this is for the two of

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Speaker 1: us who spend a lot of time, you know, in

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Speaker 1: the media talking about politics. There were also quite a

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Speaker 1: few people in twenty sixteen who did not have any

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Speaker 1: qualifications to talk about politics. They're smart in their respective fields,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, why are you telling people not to vote?

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Speaker 1: Why are you telling people to vote for Jill Stein

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Speaker 1: or you know, Gary Johnson, because hey, it won't make

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Speaker 1: a difference. You know, both of the candidates are the same.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely are not the same. And whether you like

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Speaker 1: Hiller Clinton or not, you cannot deny that this woman reads.

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Speaker 1: She's smart. You know, the fact that you've led what

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Speaker 1: she reads. She read, She reads and and and and

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Speaker 1: you know, and is intellectually curious to defining characteristics of

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Speaker 1: a president that I believe surround you should have and

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Speaker 1: surround herself with people who are intellectually curious. And she

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Speaker 1: and Barack Obama both surrounded themselves and people say, you

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Speaker 1: know more than I do on this particular topic. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about that for a minute, because I really

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Speaker 1: think that the most important characteristic of a of a president,

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Speaker 1: right is recognizing what you do not know and then

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Speaker 1: having the wherewithal right to go find those people who

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Speaker 1: do know. Right, value when we value experts and expertise,

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Speaker 1: But when you're the president of the United States like

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Speaker 1: Barack Oba Mama, which just feels, oh, I'm interested in

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Speaker 1: string theory. Let me invite the you know, the leading

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Speaker 1: scientists who understands stringth theories. Let's just have a conversation

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Speaker 1: with him because I'm curious, right, and so let's no,

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Speaker 1: we're probably not going to get anyone, you know, as

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Speaker 1: intellectually curious as Barack Obama anytime soon. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we have some talent on that stage, right with twenty

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Speaker 1: two people on those two stages, a lot of them

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Speaker 1: were really smart, Like a lot of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: would have been really great in governance, and they already

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Speaker 1: were pretty solid in governance, you know, and they cared

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Speaker 1: about here were public servants, which I think is also

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Speaker 1: a fundamental difference. You know, let Donald Trump is not

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Speaker 1: a public servant. Let's talk about the fundamental differences right now.

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Speaker 1: Just in terms of there's an article that has been trending,

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Speaker 1: and I think that this is interesting for the both

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Speaker 1: of us because we are both black women. But there's

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Speaker 1: an article that's been trending that Forbes put out a

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Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and it's and the title is

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Speaker 1: what two countries with the best coronavirus responses have in

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Speaker 1: common women leaders? So Germany, Taiwan, New Zealand, Iceland, Finland, Norway,

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Speaker 1: Denmark have all managed to flatten their curves, right, And

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Speaker 1: it is phenomenal to me that no one other than

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Speaker 1: this article is talking about this right, the fact that

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Speaker 1: it is all women who have been doing the most right.

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Speaker 1: And then you have Donald Trump, and we're talking just

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Speaker 1: now about Hillary Clinton being obviously one of the most

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Speaker 1: qualified people to ever run for president of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Warren surrounding themselves with the right people creating

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Speaker 1: the right plans. What do you think it is about

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Speaker 1: women leaders in this particular moment that is serving their

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Speaker 1: countries as a juxta position against the bumbling idiot man

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Speaker 1: that we have that fifty three percent of white women

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Speaker 1: voted for because they didn't trust themselves. Well, let's also

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Speaker 1: be clear that white women are the keepers of patriarchy

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Speaker 1: and always have been, right. I mean, this is how

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Speaker 1: you have us chatl flavory existing for four hundred years.

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Speaker 1: It's not men alone, right, It's like women women kept

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Speaker 1: that going to white women. And so I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: all the political science literature and all the business literature says,

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Speaker 1: you know, women are more collaboratives. Like we see this

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Speaker 1: all the time when people observed, you know, college students,

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Speaker 1: you know in projects, you know, women tend to be

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Speaker 1: the ones who volunteer to you know, do the heavy

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Speaker 1: lifting even though the mail and the group will will

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Speaker 1: present the report. You know, I see this all the time.

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Speaker 1: When I break my students off into groups. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so it'll be a group of three women and one man,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I hear them, I hear all the

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Speaker 1: ideas floating around, and then it's like, okay, so I

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Speaker 1: need someone to report out to the group, and the

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Speaker 1: male reports out to the group, even though the three

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Speaker 1: women who had all the ideas right. And so we

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Speaker 1: know that women are much more This is the economics

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Speaker 1: and the business literature. Women are much more likely to say, like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'd rather the result come out and

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Speaker 1: you know, me not have all the credit and just

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Speaker 1: have like the right result, you know, like I don't

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Speaker 1: need to sort of make it meani me. I don't

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Speaker 1: need to put my name in the memo section of

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Speaker 1: a check for the stimulus package that will delay people

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Speaker 1: getting their checks just because I need to have my

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Speaker 1: name on it. You know, like women tend to be

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Speaker 1: less narcissistic when it comes to executive level leadership and

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Speaker 1: much more collaborative. So it is a much it's a

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Speaker 1: wider net of ideas that women will then synthesize and

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Speaker 1: put forward. So the listening skills. I mean, we see

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Speaker 1: this all the time as educators. You know, who waits

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Speaker 1: to talk versus who listens, and those are two totally

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Speaker 1: different things. And we know but from a very young age,

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Speaker 1: you know, bad behavior and boys is sort of celebrated

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Speaker 1: and sort of excused away and tolerated in a way

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Speaker 1: that it's not with women. I mean, my favorite example

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Speaker 1: is always when I just gently when I break my

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Speaker 1: seat and self into groups, I'm just like, I just

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Speaker 1: want the women move in the class to just before

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Speaker 1: you volunteer to be described, think about how many times

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Speaker 1: you volunteer to be described, or if you're in a

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Speaker 1: group of people like, oh, Danielle, can you take the notes? Right?

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Speaker 1: It's it's just this happens at a very young age, right,

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Speaker 1: And so just making them aware and time and time again,

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Speaker 1: every single semester. I've been teaching almost fifteen years now

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Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. Actually I have teaching years of

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Speaker 1: school level. Time and time again, you have boys who

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Speaker 1: will say, oh, well, professor, career, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be described because my handwriting is terrible, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: here write is not going to get good if you're

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Speaker 1: never described how honey, so like gets to writing, you know.

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Speaker 1: But it's so interesting how boys are allowed to sort

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Speaker 1: of just kind of say like, oh, yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: bad handwriting, so I don't want to do it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't do it, and it's just like that's that's

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Speaker 1: something minor. But it goes into a larger psychosis of

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Speaker 1: how we see because we know, if you're the scribe,

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Speaker 1: you're participating, but you're not really you're not actively participating

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Speaker 1: because you're trying to write down what is being said

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Speaker 1: by others. Right. And so in this moment where we

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Speaker 1: have someone like Joe Biden, you know who, lots of

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Speaker 1: folks are you know, still looking their wounds about Bernie

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Speaker 1: or whomever else they support it. You know, is he ideal? No?

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Speaker 1: Is he the same as Trump? Absolutely not? And I

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Speaker 1: think that's the frustrating piece when I talk to especially

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Speaker 1: young people who you really wanted Bernie, and it's like listen,

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Speaker 1: First of way, you need to understand how institutions work.

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Speaker 1: Second way, you need to understand the ideological diversity within

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party and people who don't live in major cities, right,

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Speaker 1: and who aren't young and progressive. And yes, he said

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that make sense, but when we

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Speaker 1: think about how they would work in an institutional structure

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Speaker 1: that we that we have, it's like, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: we can't imagine a better America. That's not what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying at all. But I'm also saying it's like the

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Speaker 1: type of sweeping change she wants, It's like our institutions

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Speaker 1: aren't set up to satisfy that, right, right, so we

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Speaker 1: can adopt some of it, but like, let's be clear,

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Speaker 1: the frameworks set is up specifically so that we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have someone who had some like, oh, I've got new ideas,

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Speaker 1: let's all change the ship. It's like no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: they wanted it to be turning around the Titanic in

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Speaker 1: a bathtub all purpose. Because as much as you have

639
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: good ideas from from a person like Bernie, you could

640
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: also have bad ideas from person like Trump. It's like, luckily,

641
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: our institutions are serving as a stop gap so that

642
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: you know they're they're they're breaking down and they're faltering,

643
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: but at least they're serving as a stop gap. So

644
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: this president hasn't been able to come in and just

645
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: become a complete and total tyrant with zero checks and

646
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: balances and zero stop gaps for us. I mean, isn't

647
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Speaker 1: he a tyrant? Because you know when the manns, he's

648
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: definitely TEDI let me ask you something. You know, we have,

649
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Speaker 1: you know, two hundred plus days until election day, if

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Speaker 1: in fact we have an election. Um. And I have

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00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: you know, my co host of Democracy Ish Torrey, who

652
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, um, who says he really needs to be

653
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: in love with Joe Biden and he wants Joe Biden

654
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: to like fight for his vote and this then and

655
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: the other thing. And I keep telling Torrey to get

656
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: over it, um, and that like this decision is now

657
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: literally between life and death, right, Like what you like?

658
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: What do you want? Do you want more Americans dead?

659
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: Or do you you know and that would mean the

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00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: continuation of a Trump presidency or do you want? Um?

661
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Uh to? Right? Like, our our entire democracy is on

662
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: a ventilator right now. Okay, but motherfucker's getting ready to

663
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: pull the plug. So what does what does Biden need

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00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: to do to persuade the passionates? Right? The folks that

665
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 1: are are so passionate and need to feel like they're

666
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: going to the polls for something and not against something right,

667
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's where Bernie can assist him in

668
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: articulating that message to the people who really support, you know,

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Speaker 1: to progressive ideals. I mean, I tend to be like, listen,

670
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, black folks have been voted for racists and

671
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: people that they dislike for a long time. Sure, I

672
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: would love if we would have this ideal, perfect candidate,

673
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: but that doesn't exist. And so for me at least,

674
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: as you said, we're now in life and death, not

675
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: just as far as our populace is concerned, but as

676
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: far as our democracy is concerned. So I tend to

677
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: be more of the camp where it's like, you know what,

678
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: Sure that would be cute, great, but like, get over yourself,

679
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: get your behind to the polls and vote to make

680
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: sure that Donald Trump is not the president, because if

681
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: we have four more years of Donald Trump, like, is

682
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: Biden gonna be perfect? No? Can he be pushed? Yes,

683
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: he's closer to Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump is, you know.

684
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: And Donald Trump tries to play foot seas with the

685
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: white nationalists who support Bernie Sanders at times, and so

686
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: like that's where the similarities sort of begin. And end.

687
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: But you know, Biden's much closer ideologically to Bernie than

688
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: Donald Trump ever will be or the incompetent band of

689
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: you know individuals he has as his minions in his administration.

690
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: And so yeah, sure, ideally I would love for someone

691
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: to call me up, met Chrissy, what can I do

692
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: to get your vote? Right now? I'm like, say, we

693
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: got bigger fish to fry, So like, why can't we

694
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Speaker 1: work on making sure that this man, as imperfect as

695
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: he may be, getting Joe Biden in office? Because at

696
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: least we know that he would have competent people who

697
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: share the idea is in values of say a Bernie

698
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Sanders candidate. He will he has to because of the

699
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: ideological diversity and if he wants to get anything done.

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Speaker 1: And so this kind of purity test of you know,

701
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: Joe Biden doesn't pass you know this, this progressive purity test.

702
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, he probably doesn't pass the test,

703
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: you know what. But there is a difference between say, uh,

704
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: you so always say it's like, you know, asparagus and

705
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be very frame asparagus and ship votes

706
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: fell bad. But they're not the same, right, But I'd

707
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: rather go with asparagus, come okay? And so I just

708
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a level of frustration because and you know,

709
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: I've thought was worry about this quite a bit where

710
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: it's like that's a level of a privileged position where

711
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: we're just like Joe Biden doesn't satisfy me. And so

712
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, so what do you do. You're not

713
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: go vote. You're not going vote and give this man.

714
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: I don't care that you live in New York, but

715
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: it's like you potentially give Donald Trump another four years.

716
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about children and ages in weeks.

717
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: We I mean we have we haven't talked about just

718
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: just to put it in contact, we have been under lockdown.

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Speaker 1: Today is like forty five days, right, girl, I've lost track? Yeah,

720
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Speaker 1: Like I only have three days of the week, girl, yesterday, today,

721
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: and tomorrow come on, um and and two times a

722
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: day the time I drink coffee and the time I

723
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: drink bourbon. So we've been un there, this lockdown for

724
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: some forty something days. And in that time, no one

725
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: has uttered shit about what is happening at these detention

726
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: centers where what the coronavirus cases are there. We're talking

727
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: about regular prisons, but not the ones that this administration

728
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: has purposely created for our undocumented people. We know nothing

729
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: that's happening to say nothing about the low key deportations.

730
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: We know that you know, Askan and Caribbean noundocumented people

731
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: are ten percent roughly of the undocumented population, but twenty

732
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: percent of the deportations. I mean, like, oh, it is

733
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: ravaging our communities. We still haven't recovered from the two

734
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight you know, great depression and now I

735
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: mean back then, you know, it affected a lot of Americans,

736
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: but not everybody here. Everybody's on lockdown, right, Like I

737
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: can't just go to London and hang out with my

738
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: friends because it's like, oh this sucks here. Let me

739
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: just go to London and had everybody's on lockdown, right

740
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: when you have the mob who can't make money, Like

741
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: there's been some really interesting articles. It's like the mob

742
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: can't make money right now because they don't have any

743
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: sports going on. They don't have any casinos, they don't

744
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: have any betting, they don't have any restaurants. Like it's

745
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: like with they're struggling, Like you messed up Trump, especially

746
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: when we have Obama on record saying, we are funding

747
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: this organization and we're funding you know, this research, and

748
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: we have these people on you know, in my cabinet,

749
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: on staff because no, we haven't had a global pandemic

750
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: and you know all that, but hey, guess what we're

751
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: do for. We're doing for something sometimes soon. I mean,

752
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: there was a really great piece, you know, because I

753
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: follow sports quite closely, but how the US Open has

754
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: paid for kind of like basically pandemic insurance for I

755
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: think seventeen years. They've paid two million dollars a year

756
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: for insurance in case they ever have to cancel the

757
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: US And they were like two million dollars a year.

758
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: But you know, they make so much money. I mean,

759
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: this is one of the great legacies of Mayor Dinkins

760
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: of New York bringing the US Open to Queens. And

761
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: so they've put out thirty four million dollars. Well this year,

762
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: guess what, there's no US Open and so they're insured

763
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: for like one hundred and thirty million dollars. Like they're

764
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: good if the insurance company still has money, right, and so,

765
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: but we've never seen you know, I was circulating an

766
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: article this morning amongst my professor friends. It's like you know,

767
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: we might not go back to school and fall. There's

768
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Speaker 1: a very large chance that we will not be in

769
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Speaker 1: class in the fall. There are a lot of parents

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00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: who a won't have the fifty sixty thousand dollars to

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00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: pay for their kids to go to school, and B

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Speaker 1: they don't want to pay fifty sixty thousand dollars for

773
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: some zoom classes, right, because we all know when you

774
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: go to college, you're only in class for like ten

775
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: hours a day. It's all the other stuff that makes

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00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: college such a worthwhile experience, you know, hanging out with

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00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: people from other other places, other backgrounds, the clubs you

778
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: know that you're a part of, and the social organizations.

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00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm not doing any of that. What am

780
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: I paying for? What am I paying for to see

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00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: Chrissy Greer on a computer screen for an hour and

782
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes triice a week. Look, I think that's the

783
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: calculus that a lot of parents are going to make.

784
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, yes, I've still been keeping

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00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: at my level of instruction and trying to be as

786
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Speaker 1: engaging and exciting is you know, trying to replicate that process.

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Speaker 1: It's very difficult, you know. It's like I've never travel

788
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: online before. My teaching styles very much of the techtile

789
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: making sure I sort of curtail every lesson to sort

790
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: of all thirty five students in the room. It's very

791
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: difficult when I'm on zoom and I'm kind of scrolling

792
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: back and forth. You know, when it's hard for people

793
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: to pay attention when they're sitting in their bedroom, you know,

794
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: looking at a computer screen. You know, it's just our

795
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: world is going to change fundamentally, and the way we learn,

796
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: the way we engage, the way we vote, the way

797
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: the way we shop, the way we shop, the way

798
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Speaker 1: we dress. I mean, all of these things like are

799
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: going to be up ended and well, and you know

800
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: what I've been thinking about though. It's like a good

801
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: friend of Rhyne went to work one day, came home

802
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: and her apartment building had burned down to the ground.

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00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: Oh God, And all she had were her work clothes

804
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: and her exercise clothes because she'd gone to the gym.

805
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: It came home and nothing was there. And I was

806
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: so inspired by her because she decided, I'm not going

807
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: to just buy, you know, buy everything and recreate my

808
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: whole my old life. I'm going to I knew things

809
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: and try new things and sort of create a new

810
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: life after this fire, you know, And I'm really curious

811
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: and a touch worried as to how we will be

812
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: as a nation. It's like, there are a lot of

813
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: things in this country that weren't working. But in our

814
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: haste to get back to quote unquote normal which no

815
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: longer exists, will we actually try and replicate old models

816
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: just because that's it feels comfortable to kind of go

817
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: back to where we were. And it's like, I don't

818
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: think we can ever do that. So this is the

819
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: time to envision what our democracy could look like in

820
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: a new way. You know. This is where Joe Biden

821
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: should and could lean on Bernie Sanders and sort of

822
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: saying it's like, okay, so I initially said these things,

823
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: but that was in the past. So now how do

824
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: we think about this world where it's like, you've got,

825
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, middle class folks that will never be okay again,

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Speaker 1: especially middle class folks of color. I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: I've said many times that I believe in the phoenix,

828
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the idea that you need, at some point in time

829
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: to burn shit down in order to rise anew, that

830
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: there is fertile ground to be created in the ashes.

831
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Speaker 1: But I think that to the point that we're going

832
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: to try and replicate what was done, and we know

833
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: what has failed, but we're going to replicate that out

834
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: of comfort, right, because you find comfort in what is

835
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: perceived to be the norm, the routine. I think that

836
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: what this situation is forcing in all of us is

837
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: the stretching that is needed, and it is painful. Growth

838
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: is painful, right, But I think that that's what this

839
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: moment calls for. There's a reason. You know, if you

840
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: are one of those people that do believe that there

841
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: is a reason for everything, and I don't necessarily believe that,

842
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: but I do believe that this virus came for a reason, right,

843
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: I do believe that. You know, in this moment, we

844
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: are forced inside nature Mother Nature because needs a break

845
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: from humans and the trampling that we have done on

846
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: this planet, and we need to write the ship. But

847
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: she doesn't trust us to do that, right, So she's like,

848
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: y'all go to her rooms because I have Well, I

849
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: was giving you warning signs time and time again, right,

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Speaker 1: I kept giving you warning signs, like what did you

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Speaker 1: think these hurricanes and tornadoes were what did you think

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Speaker 1: these earthquakes were? Right? And it's again, we weren't listening.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, well, you know what, Now everybody gets

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Speaker 1: to sit down. Take Yeah, now everybody gets to sit

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Speaker 1: down and take a breath. And I think gets to

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Speaker 1: come back. The buffalo, but the dolphins get to come back,

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Speaker 1: the birds, the bees get to come back. I think

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Speaker 1: that in this time, this pause, as as our Governor

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Speaker 1: Cuomo refers to it as a New York pause, I

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Speaker 1: think that our democracy needs to pause, and it has right,

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Speaker 1: it is halted under Trump and I and I believe

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Speaker 1: that this is a time for bold imagination, bold recreation

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Speaker 1: and even you know, I know that. You know yesterday

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Speaker 1: I said to you, I said, oh, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: what did you think about Barack's enentorsement? And you're like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was you know, he did what he does, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But what I felt about it, and what I appreciated

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Speaker 1: is when he said, you know what, let's not look

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Speaker 1: to the past because if I ran today, I'm not

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Speaker 1: running the same campaign I ran in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight because the world is completely different, right, right, Like

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Speaker 1: the world is completely different, and if you are governing

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Speaker 1: from a place of nostalgia, which frankly I also thought

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Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit of a rub at Biden.

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Speaker 1: Remember Biden's been campaigning on this. Yeah, right, let's go.

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Speaker 1: You guys can then go back to brunch and you

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Speaker 1: don't have to talk about how correct and you can

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Speaker 1: and you can just you know, you can go act

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Speaker 1: to doing what it was that before you became so

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Speaker 1: completely attached to Twitter and the tickers and the news

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Speaker 1: feeds to make sure that while you were at brunch

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Speaker 1: the world wasn't coming to an end. But when Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama said in his endorsement video, I wouldn't run the

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Speaker 1: same campaign. You can't look backwards. We can only look

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Speaker 1: forward forward and the most diverse democratic field with the

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Speaker 1: most thoughtful people, this is where we're moving. And I

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Speaker 1: think that if I am Joe Biden right now, after

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Speaker 1: I've had this very lit seventy two hours of endorsements,

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Speaker 1: I am now the nominee. I don't need convention, most

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Speaker 1: likely won't have one anyway, you know, to anoint me.

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Speaker 1: It's like, now you need to pull together all of

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Speaker 1: the best people, all of the best teams, right, come

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Speaker 1: up with a big, bold vision and roll that shit

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Speaker 1: out along with your vice president pick as soon as possible, right,

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Speaker 1: But I think we also and I agree with everything

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Speaker 1: you've said. I think we also just need to be

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Speaker 1: honest though about some of our friends within the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party who actually are just fine with the way things

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Speaker 1: used to be, right, because that limits women and people

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Speaker 1: of color, and women of color especially having too much

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Speaker 1: power and too much say. And I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got some issues within the Democratic Party when it

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Speaker 1: comes to race and racism and understanding just how bad

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Speaker 1: things are and just how unequal they are on a

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Speaker 1: host of levels. And so that's that's a larger conversation.

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Speaker 1: The problem is when do we have it right? We

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Speaker 1: didn't have it during good times, and we kind of

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Speaker 1: can't have it now because we're in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. But I'm like, but maybe we could, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're all kind of home, we're captive audiences.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, this nation has never

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Speaker 1: had that conversation because it's never a good time to

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Speaker 1: have a conversation, and so my question has always been, well,

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Speaker 1: what are we going to have it? Because we actually

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Speaker 1: can't ever move forward until we have that hard conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think a lot of our good friends

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party are willing or capable of having

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Speaker 1: that conversation. Well, we're going to need to and that's

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Speaker 1: why you and I continue to talk. Yeah, we go,

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Speaker 1: we go need to have that conversation, Doctor Christina Greer,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much as always for joining us. You.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely do and so hey, listen, let's just free

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Speaker 1: for our democracy every day, every day of working progress.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, friend. Okay, have a one. We still have

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Speaker 1: power and I need people to remember that. I need

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Speaker 1: you not to lose hope. We have an election that

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Speaker 1: is coming in No is our candidate perfect? No he

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Speaker 1: is not. But is he the devil? No, he is not.

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Speaker 1: He is a decent, hardworking patriot that has put himself

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Speaker 1: and his family on the back burner for much of

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Speaker 1: his life in order to better America. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: of leader that I want in the White House. That's

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Speaker 1: who I want ushering me through these dark, dark Corona times.

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Speaker 1: Does Biden have faults? Absolutely? Are any of them anything

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Speaker 1: in comparison to what Donald Trump is doing? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to have debates about what kind

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Speaker 1: of candidate we should have had. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about who's in the White House right now? All right, folks,

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today on woke f Daily.

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