WEBVTT - ‘EAT! EAT! EAT!’ Fat ‘Banished’ With Tapeworm Diet

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Urban legend originating from the mid nineteen fifties would have

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<v Speaker 2>you think. Opera singer Maria Kallis lost sixty five pounds

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<v Speaker 2>on the tapeworm diet, a diet where she allegedly swallowed

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<v Speaker 2>a parasite packed pill to consume calories for her Now

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<v Speaker 2>that's been debunked. It's confirmed by her biography and personal

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<v Speaker 2>communications that though she was diagnosed with a beef tapeworm,

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<v Speaker 2>it was due to eating raw meat and wasn't something

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<v Speaker 2>she did on purpose. But it probably goes without saying, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that humans have done some very strange things in the

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<v Speaker 2>name of beauty and fashion over the centuries. The tapeworm

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<v Speaker 2>diet was and unfortunately still is a real thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was once a super popular attempt at weight loss.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk tapeworms. Perhaps one of our grossest episodes yet,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarky.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Holly Frye. So getting yourself a parasitic buddy

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<v Speaker 1>will help you lose weight, But please, for the love

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<v Speaker 1>of all that's holy, don't do it. The idea here

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<v Speaker 1>is that the tapeworm lives in your intestines and basically

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<v Speaker 1>eats whatever you're eating, meaning you can go for seconds

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<v Speaker 1>and thirds without feeling guilty about any of the calories

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<v Speaker 1>is you're not absorbing them. That doesn't sound so bad

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<v Speaker 1>right until you get to the tapeworm part. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>tapeworm should not be inside your body period. They can

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<v Speaker 1>get in there by accident, though, and that can happen if,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, you consume raw or undercooked meat that includes beef, pork,

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<v Speaker 1>or fish, or if you drink contaminated water. You could

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<v Speaker 1>also become infected after handling food, water, or objects that

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<v Speaker 1>have been contaminated with feces. Close physical contact with your dog,

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<v Speaker 1>such as allowing them to lick your face, is also

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<v Speaker 1>a risk for developing a tapeworm infection. However, if you

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<v Speaker 1>lived in London between roughly eighteen thirty and nineteen hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a good chance you might have intentionally swallowed a

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<v Speaker 1>tapeworm for weight loss.

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<v Speaker 2>The fad would also hit the United States, but not

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<v Speaker 2>until a bit later in the early nineteen hundreds. We

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<v Speaker 2>should note, though, that while we'll be talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian tapeworm diet. Tyra Banks talked about the diet on

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<v Speaker 2>her show back in two thousand and nine. Courtney Kardashian

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<v Speaker 2>joked about wanting a tapeworm as recently as twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and in twenty thirteen, a woman from Iowa consumed tapeworm

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<v Speaker 2>pills for weight loss, which resulted in an official warning

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<v Speaker 2>from the Iowa State Department of Public Health. This is

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things that just hasn't gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Away, and that's maybe because the tapeworm diet sounds pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 1>All you needed was a little pill that was in

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<v Speaker 1>victorian times advertised with claims like easily swallowed, sanitized and

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<v Speaker 1>jar packed. One popular ad read Eat Eat, Eat, and

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<v Speaker 1>all was stay thin, no diet, no baths, no exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>no danger, guaranteed harmless fat. The enemy that is shortening

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<v Speaker 1>your life banished. How with sanitized tapeworms jar packed friends

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<v Speaker 1>for a fair form, easy to swallow, no ill effects,

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<v Speaker 1>prepared by wt Bridge chemist, New York, send no money,

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<v Speaker 1>particulars mailed free. To be clear, nothing about tapeworms is sanitary,

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<v Speaker 1>but product labels surely did proudly claim that their pills

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<v Speaker 1>were safe.

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<v Speaker 2>How did this even become a thing? You might be

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<v Speaker 2>wondering these standards are problematic now, but in the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 2>and early nineteenth centuries, ideas about feminine beauty included pale skin,

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<v Speaker 2>rosy cheeks, red lips, white teeth, and sparkling eyes. Women

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<v Speaker 2>were also expected to be wafishly thin. A sixteen inch waist,

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<v Speaker 2>yes sixteen was ideal by some standards, and women also

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be graceful and polite, according to a series

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<v Speaker 2>of essays on the subject at the time, quote politeness

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<v Speaker 2>may be defined as a dexterous management of our words

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<v Speaker 2>and actions, whereby we make other people have better opinion

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<v Speaker 2>of us and themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most popular beauty guides of the era,

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<v Speaker 1>an unfortunate book called The Ugly Girl Papers, written by

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<v Speaker 1>SD Powers and published in eighteen seventy four, was a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of self help guide for the quote unquote ugly

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<v Speaker 1>women in society, with tips on how to become more beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>and even stated that quote it is a woman's business

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<v Speaker 1>to be beautiful. Beauty takes time and effort, the book

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<v Speaker 1>bok explained, and if you wanted to find a husband,

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<v Speaker 1>you needed to put in the time. This body shaming

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<v Speaker 1>guide had the gall to recommend women find a quote

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<v Speaker 1>healthy balance in the pursuit of beauty, all while explaining

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<v Speaker 1>how to maintain one's figure or how to drop a

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<v Speaker 1>few pounds to be more attractive to others. The author claimed,

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<v Speaker 1>quote if stout, a girl should eat as little as

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<v Speaker 1>will satisfy her appetite, never allowing herself, however, to rise

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<v Speaker 1>from the table hungry enter the tapeworm.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we meet this parasite, we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a break forward from our sponsors. When we're back, we

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about the unreasonable standard of beauty women were

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<v Speaker 2>held to in the Victorian era and how women were

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<v Speaker 2>perceived if they did not fit that mold.

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<v Speaker 1>We come back to criminalia. Let's start talking about tuberculosis

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<v Speaker 1>and how it ties in to the tapeworm diet.

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<v Speaker 2>So during this time, ideal feminine beauty was based on

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<v Speaker 2>the appearance of people who had tuberculosis, which was romanticized

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<v Speaker 2>during the era. For those characteristics we mentioned earlier, a

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<v Speaker 2>pale complexion, dilated pupils, and a frail thin physique. Tuberculosis

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<v Speaker 2>had reached epidemic levels in Europe and in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States by the mid nineteenth century. The disease targets the

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<v Speaker 2>lungs and also damages other organs, and before antibiotics were available,

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<v Speaker 2>if you had it, it meant a slow death march.

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<v Speaker 2>You died from what was then called consumption. During that time,

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<v Speaker 2>consumption was believed to be caused by a hereditary susceptibility

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<v Speaker 2>to it, as well as from unhealthy or so called

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<v Speaker 2>bad air known as miasmas. It wasn't known to be infectious.

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<v Speaker 1>Published in nineteen oh nine, the book Tuberculosis, a treatise

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<v Speaker 1>by American authors on its etiology, pathology, frequency, semiology, diagnosis, prognosis, prevention,

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<v Speaker 1>and treatment, outlines the illness this way quote, A considerable

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<v Speaker 1>number of patients have and have had for years, a delicate,

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<v Speaker 1>transparent skin, as well as fine silky hair. Those sparkling

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<v Speaker 1>or dilated eyes and rosy cheeks and lips that were

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<v Speaker 1>longed for were common in tuberculosis patients because their common

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics of an ongoing low grade fever, but that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>known to the medical community at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Desperate to achieve the coveted look, some Victorian women snacked

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<v Speaker 2>on wafers made of arsenic to give themselves that bright

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<v Speaker 2>eyed look as well as help them achieve a translucent complexion.

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<v Speaker 2>Eyedrops of belladonna were used to dilate pupils, which also

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<v Speaker 2>made eyes look bigger. Belladonna, also known as deadly nightshade,

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<v Speaker 2>can also cause blood kindness. Please don't try any of

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<v Speaker 2>this at home, and as we keep going, none of

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<v Speaker 2>it gets any healthier.

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<v Speaker 1>This unrealistic image society set for women to live up to,

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<v Speaker 1>also used a woman's weight as a barometer of her intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>her character, her sexuality, and even her sanity. In Victorian society,

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<v Speaker 1>excess weight was attributed to a woman's quote indolence of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead and embrace yourself, because the body shaming only

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<v Speaker 1>gets worse from here. A nineteen hundred edition of The

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<v Speaker 1>Dietetic and Hygienic Gazette reported quote obesity always carries with

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<v Speaker 1>it physical and often mental weakness. In his eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven book The Female Offender, author Cizar Lambroso, who was,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, a eugenicist, claimed a connection between obesity

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<v Speaker 1>and sex work, stating quote, this greater weight among prostitutes

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<v Speaker 1>is confirmed by the notorious fact of the obesity of

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<v Speaker 1>those who grow old in their vile trade and who

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<v Speaker 1>gradually become positive monsters of adipose tissue. Taking another leap,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes on to conclude that quote female lunatics are

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<v Speaker 1>far more often exaggeratedly fat than men.

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<v Speaker 2>A so called consumptive chic to cover the fashion world

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<v Speaker 2>of the mid eighteen hundreds, as women sought to avoid

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<v Speaker 2>being associated with all of that negative perception of carrying

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<v Speaker 2>any weight at all. To look as thin as possible

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<v Speaker 2>and achieve that ideal sixteen inch waist, women wore pointed

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<v Speaker 2>corsets and generous skirts to call attention to tiny waists,

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<v Speaker 2>and under those voluminous skirts, women appeared to glide as

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<v Speaker 2>they moved, adding an otherworldly dimension to their delicate comportment.

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<v Speaker 2>Women also attempted to mimic the consumptive ethereal appearance by

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<v Speaker 2>using white powder on their skin and by washing their

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<v Speaker 2>skin with arsenic yes. Again, the poison.

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<v Speaker 1>Tuberculosis chic was hot. Take for instance, Marie Duplessi, a

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<v Speaker 1>French Cortisan and Parisian celebrity. Today we would think of

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<v Speaker 1>someone like her as an influencer. She was a striking

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<v Speaker 1>Victorian beauty whose well known portrait by artist Edouar Vienna

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<v Speaker 1>shows off her shiny black hair. Framing her oval face.

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<v Speaker 1>Her eyes are sparkling, and she has pale ivory skin.

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<v Speaker 1>Duplessi got that sought after look because she was afflicted

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<v Speaker 1>with tuberculosis and she died from it at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty three. To achieve that kind of beauty, women

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<v Speaker 1>bathed in ammonia and they wore body crushing corsets. And

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<v Speaker 1>some women chose more drastic measures, and that is ingesting

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<v Speaker 1>tapeworms by swallowing tapeworm pills. Those pills contained beef tapeworm larvae.

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<v Speaker 1>These larvae cysts would then hatch inside the body and

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<v Speaker 1>voila weight loss was now in progress.

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<v Speaker 2>According to food historian Anny Gray Quote, during the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 2>dieting became big business. Advertising was becoming more and more sophisticated,

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<v Speaker 2>with more and more diet products being pedled. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk how these tapeworms fit in to consumptive chek.

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<v Speaker 1>So, tapeworms, as we've been saying, are parasites. They're members

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<v Speaker 1>of the phylum Anelda, also known as segmented worms, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a species that also includes pinworms and leeches. Segmented

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<v Speaker 1>worms can break off segments of their body and as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the head remains attached to its host, the

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<v Speaker 1>creature can regrow more segments. Tapeworms have three main parts.

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<v Speaker 1>The head, which is the part that attaches to intestines

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<v Speaker 1>and ingests nutrients from your body, the neck, which can

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<v Speaker 1>regenerate its body. And then there's the rest of the worm,

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<v Speaker 1>which consists of many segments that bear eggs. When those

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<v Speaker 1>eggs hatch, they detach from the rest of the tapeworm

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<v Speaker 1>and travel through the bloodstream to your muscles and to

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<v Speaker 1>your brain, liver, and other organs, where they develop into cysts.

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<v Speaker 1>If treatment to get rid of a tapeworm does not

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate the head and neck, it may as well be

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<v Speaker 1>useless because the entire worm can regrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Tapeworms generally don't cause more than minor symptoms, including things

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<v Speaker 2>like lack of appetite, diarrhea, nausea, weight loss of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and a craving for salty foods. But if those cysts

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<v Speaker 2>grow in the spine or brain rather than the intestine,

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<v Speaker 2>side effects could cause life threatening problems, including seizures, nerve pain,

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<v Speaker 2>muscle weakness, and cognitive changes. If the central nervous system

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<v Speaker 2>becomes infected, a person might experience hydrocephalous meningitis, and damage

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<v Speaker 2>to blood vessels in the brainstem or nerves. In some cases,

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<v Speaker 2>if the tapeworm grows long enough, it could lead to

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<v Speaker 2>obstruction of the bowel appendix or bialduct, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>medical emergency. And on ava ridge, an adult tapeworm is

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen to thirty feet long. I mean, can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine in you're intestine on purpose, and they weren't temporary guests.

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<v Speaker 2>You could host one for up to a decade. As

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<v Speaker 2>long as your symptoms were mild, you might not even notice.

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<v Speaker 1>So with all of that delicious imagery and mind, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take a break for a word from our sponsors,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we're back, we will talk about how one

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<v Speaker 1>might remove a tapeworm before anti parasitic drugs. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not especially easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's get to talking about ways

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<v Speaker 2>tapeworms were removed before modern medicine. But first let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how maybe not a lot of those pills worked

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<v Speaker 2>as advertised anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes down to both Victorian and modern dieters,

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<v Speaker 1>because that tapeworm diet just won't go away. Stories about

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<v Speaker 1>the effectiveness of this horrifying diet are actually kind of murky.

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<v Speaker 1>Modern historians disagree on whether people actually ingested any real

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<v Speaker 1>tapeworms from those pills, or whether the advertised products were

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<v Speaker 1>just simply placebos. Luckily, most of those tapeworm pills probably

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work because most of them were probably inactive, or

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<v Speaker 1>they just didn't even contain the active ingredient, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a funny thing to call a tapeworm at all. One example,

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<v Speaker 1>a product called Neutroids, marketed in the nineteen hundreds is

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<v Speaker 1>a weight loss supplement sold by doctor R. Lincoln Graham

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<v Speaker 1>of the Gram Sanatorium in New York City, contained ie

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<v Speaker 1>at all, magnesium carbonate, starch, talc, and a trace of iron.

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<v Speaker 1>But you'll notice that ingredients list contains absolutely no mention

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<v Speaker 1>of tapeworms.

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<v Speaker 2>But for those who were actually infected, there's still one

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<v Speaker 2>thing we haven't talked about. Removing your tapeworm buckle up

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<v Speaker 2>because some of these will probably make you squirm. The

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<v Speaker 2>worm could theoretically leave your body on its own during

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<v Speaker 2>a bowel movement. Segments of a tapeworm can break off

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<v Speaker 2>and exit the body in your stool, and you would

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<v Speaker 2>be able to see them. Pieces of tapeworm in your

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<v Speaker 2>stool usually look flat and rectangular. They would be white

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<v Speaker 2>or a pale yellow, and they'd be the size of

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<v Speaker 2>a grain of rice, although sometimes they remain joined together

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<v Speaker 2>in a long chain of segments.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, if you find yourself in the unfortunate scenario where

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<v Speaker 1>you have a tapeworm, your doctor would prescribe what are

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<v Speaker 1>known as anthelmentic drugs, which treat parasitic infections. But before

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<v Speaker 1>the mid twentieth century, when the first modern anti parasitic

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<v Speaker 1>drugs hit the market, worms were treated in a few ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Purgative plants such as wormwood were used to both kill

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<v Speaker 1>the wor you were hosting and trigger your body to

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<v Speaker 1>expel it with about of rather severe diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 2>Another popular method of removing your tapeworm involved holding a

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<v Speaker 2>glass of milk at your mouth or near your anus,

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<v Speaker 2>and then waiting for the worm to come out. Theoretically,

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<v Speaker 2>it would head for that milk. Now, there is no

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<v Speaker 2>proof that milk can coax or remove a parasite, but

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to folk remedies, it can be hard

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<v Speaker 2>to shake. And then there's this method. Terry Deary, in

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<v Speaker 2>his book Horrible Histories Vile Victorians, describes a method invented

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<v Speaker 2>by a doctor Myers of Sheffield, England, in which cylinders

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<v Speaker 2>stuffed with food were inserted into a person's digestive tract.

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<v Speaker 2>Patients were then instructed not to eat for a few days,

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<v Speaker 2>so that the tapeworms looking for a meal would theoretically

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<v Speaker 2>be lured into those traps. Tapeworms would then be coaxed

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<v Speaker 2>out of the body with the aforementioned milk method, and

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<v Speaker 2>while a glass of milk wasn't really going to help,

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<v Speaker 2>at least it was a fairly benign treatment in comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>some people choked to death on these cylinders.

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<v Speaker 1>During the second half of the nineteenth century, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a better understanding of tuberculosis when in eighteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Coch announced that he discovered the bacteria that causes

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<v Speaker 1>the disease. In eighteen sixty one, Louis Pasteur had introduced

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<v Speaker 1>germ theory, a breakthrough that proved microscopic organisms invisible germs

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<v Speaker 1>were a cause of infection rather than something like bad air.

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<v Speaker 1>Building on that, Koch's understanding of tuberculosis helped germ theory

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<v Speaker 1>gain more legitimacy, and it also convinced both public health

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<v Speaker 1>experts and physicians that tuberculosis was a contagious disease.

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<v Speaker 2>For those desperate to lose weight, whatever their motivation to

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<v Speaker 2>do so, tapeworms maybe sounded more appealing or potentially quicker

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<v Speaker 2>than things like changing your diet and exercise habits. The

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<v Speaker 2>United States Food and Drug Administration officially banned tapeworm pills,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no ban on the unrealistic expectations of female

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<v Speaker 2>beauty then or now, I think we need to drink

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<v Speaker 2>to make this just wash away from.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so tia. But this comes with a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a secondary history lesson. Are you ready, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>We mentioned one of the treatments was to consume wormwood. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't let a mention of wormwood go by

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<v Speaker 1>and not talk about absence. Of course. So wormwood's scientific

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<v Speaker 1>name is Artemisia absyntheum. That's where absinthe gets its name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an ornamental plant. It's native to Europe, although now

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<v Speaker 1>you can find it in other places. It has been

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<v Speaker 1>used medicinally since all the way back to ancient Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the ebers Pyrus. It's also mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible. Pliny the Elder talked about it Juliette's wet

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<v Speaker 1>nurse in Shakespeare's play speaks of weaning Juliet by putting

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<v Speaker 1>wormwood on her person because the bitter taste made nursing unappealing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't become an alcohol until the seventeen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>when Pierre Ordinaire, who was a French doctor, is credited

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<v Speaker 1>with coming up with the first absinthe recipe in his

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<v Speaker 1>book The Complete Body of Distilling. That was in seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one, and it was still more than sixty years

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<v Speaker 1>before absinthe was bottled as a commercial product, which was

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<v Speaker 1>done by Henri Luis Perennaut, and once it was commercially available,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a huge hit, so much so that cocktail

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<v Speaker 1>hour in Paris got renamed le'overt which is the green hour.

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<v Speaker 1>And then absence spread from beyond France to the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe and then eventually to the US, and people

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<v Speaker 1>really loved it, then they didn't, or some people loved

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<v Speaker 1>it and some people did not. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>got a legen addicted to it, and by the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century it was really easy to find editorials talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the dangers of absinthe and how it was fundamentally

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<v Speaker 1>evil and how it was going to ruin everybody. That

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<v Speaker 1>wave of anti absent thinking was helped by doctors who

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<v Speaker 1>had started to attribute a lot of issues to absinthe,

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<v Speaker 1>including various mental illnesses which were all grouped under the

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<v Speaker 1>nebulous umbrella of insanity, which made me think also of

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<v Speaker 1>how some doctors who were horrible made strange and unscientific

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<v Speaker 1>associations between carrying extra weight and being insane or whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually they believed that they had isolated the specific

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<v Speaker 1>problem ingredient, which was wormwood in absinthe, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>contains a compound called thujone. Thujone is toxic, to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>but the assessment of absent that the dawn of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century wasn't accurate in terms of that theu jone

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<v Speaker 1>being dangerous, because there were actually studies that started to

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<v Speaker 1>come out talking about thu jon dangers and what it

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<v Speaker 1>could do to you. That's kind of why it was medicinal.

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<v Speaker 1>It had enough toxicity that you could use it to

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<v Speaker 1>do things like kill a tape.

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<v Speaker 2>Or kill a tape worm exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the medical community and scientists started publishing papers,

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<v Speaker 1>absence started getting banned. Belgium was the first to ban

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<v Speaker 1>it in nineteen oh five, and then just ten years later,

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<v Speaker 1>by nineteen fifteen, almost I think every European country except

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<v Speaker 1>Spain had banned it. The US had also banned it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it stayed banned for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because that overlaps our time frame here with

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<v Speaker 2>killing tape worms with wormwood.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. It really wasn't like until eighty years after

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<v Speaker 1>it that people started looking at absinthe again and being like, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>what wasn't it that was so bad and really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of start to do analysis on whether it had actually

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<v Speaker 1>been toxic, And when those analyzes were performed, it really

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<v Speaker 1>became clear that the theu jone in absinthe really was

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<v Speaker 1>just adding a little bit of bitter flavor and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>part of that green coloration we associate with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was nowhere near enough in it to be toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>So that idea that the wormwood in absinthe was what

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<v Speaker 1>made it dangerous was completely unfounded. All of those problems

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<v Speaker 1>that had been attributed to thujone and to absyinthe, it

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<v Speaker 1>was really just run of the mill alcoholism in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cases, and it was like the novel alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why people were choosing it, and in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases I suspect there were also instances where people actually

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<v Speaker 1>did have some form of mental illness that they were

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<v Speaker 1>self medicating through heavy drinking because there was no one

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing what the real problem was to treat.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, and no real treatment at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was nothing to do, so like absinthe and

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<v Speaker 1>wormwood kind of got this bad rap for no actual

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<v Speaker 1>factual reason. By the way, that whole absinth causing hallucinations

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<v Speaker 1>thing is debunked left and right. It's kind of one

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<v Speaker 1>of those two sided coins. Both the people that were

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<v Speaker 1>into absinthe and the people that thought it was evil

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of both perpetuating that myth because people that

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<v Speaker 1>were really into it were like, it was amazing, it

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<v Speaker 1>was mind altering, it was the best thing I've ever had,

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<v Speaker 1>And people that thought it was evil were like, it

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<v Speaker 1>will mess up your mind. It's gonna make you like

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<v Speaker 1>they were saying the same thing but with different emphasis.

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<v Speaker 1>So as all of this scientific information started to become

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<v Speaker 1>a parent, slowly those bands started to roll back. There

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<v Speaker 1>are specific limits just in case on how much wormwood

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<v Speaker 1>can be included in production of absinth, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>buy it pretty readily almost anywhere. Now this has been

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<v Speaker 1>your absent advocacy minute, and now we're going to drink

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<v Speaker 1>some all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I like a little history lesson with my drink.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a drink that I'm calling beauty standards, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is a really easy one because you make it

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<v Speaker 1>in the glass. It shares some DNA with a mule.

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<v Speaker 1>There are times when you do not want to directly

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<v Speaker 1>pour your alcohol and your mixing ingredients over ice, because

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<v Speaker 1>the ice starts to melt very quickly and dilute. In

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<v Speaker 1>the case of absinthe, I think it's fine you would

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<v Speaker 1>normally if you order an absinth in a bar, they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna dilute it with water anyway. That's what that whole

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<v Speaker 1>sugar cube drop thing is going on when you get one.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna put your ice, a good amount of

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<v Speaker 1>ice in your glass or your cup, whatever you're using.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna pour in an ounce of absinthe, a half

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<v Speaker 1>ounce of lemon juice, a half ounce of violet syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're gonna top that with two to four

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<v Speaker 1>ounces of ginger beer and just give it a stir.

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<v Speaker 1>The violet syrup and the absinthe. It's like drinking the

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<v Speaker 1>most beautiful bouquet in the world. Like all of the

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<v Speaker 1>herbaceous flavors of absinthe really come out, and the violet

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<v Speaker 1>it softens the edges of everything. It's so yummy and delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like one right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's in a great list of ingredients that sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>a yummy drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Violet syrup is one of those things. If you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have it, I recommend getting some. You can make it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit tricky, so I recommend buying that one,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least I find it tricky. Somebody else would

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<v Speaker 1>be like what, it's easy, and every time I recommend

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<v Speaker 1>ordering some because it's just one of those syrups that's

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<v Speaker 1>like it adds to your bar cart or your backbar,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you're using, like just this little like secret weapon

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<v Speaker 1>that you can use to make drinks feel a little elevated.

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<v Speaker 1>And if when you use it in lieu of simple syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>you can also throw it on, you know, a scone

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<v Speaker 1>or a cookie and it's I love violet syrup and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>The mocktail for this one is so easy. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do the exact same thing, but instead of using

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<v Speaker 1>any absynthe you will use like a half ounce instead

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<v Speaker 1>of an ounce of an anis or a licorice syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Bump it down because at that point that

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<v Speaker 1>liquorice flavor gets really intense at a full ounce, so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need that much, especially because you then have

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<v Speaker 1>two syrups going on. So I would in that case

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<v Speaker 1>probably also lean towards the heavier end of your ginger

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<v Speaker 1>beer port. That is the beauty standard, which is easy

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve.

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<v Speaker 2>Delicious and easy to achieve.

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<v Speaker 1>I drink too, finding the beauty and everyone and not

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<v Speaker 1>making people do foolish things to stop being themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>become something else in the interest of pleasing somebody else's gaze.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, going so far as to ingest.

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<v Speaker 1>A, don't danguer your.

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<v Speaker 2>Health to look good to other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen. You can be as close to the perfect level

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<v Speaker 1>of beauty standard as you want, but if you're sick

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<v Speaker 1>to get there, or if you don't feel good about

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<v Speaker 1>any of it, it's not worth it. I promise. I

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<v Speaker 1>am very grateful that you have all hung out and

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<v Speaker 1>listened to us and listened to me yammer on about

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<v Speaker 1>my absent feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>And stayed through the disgusting episode out of tamwork.

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<v Speaker 1>We needed some fun talk to shake off all of

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<v Speaker 1>that holding milk up to your orifices discussion I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>interested in, but we are so grateful that you spent

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<v Speaker 1>this time with us, and we will be right back

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<v Speaker 1>here again next week with another story of snake oil,

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<v Speaker 1>which hopefully will involve less anous talk and another drink

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<v Speaker 1>that definitely won't if I have anything to say about it.

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