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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your Brodie? With

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell you something that I

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Speaker 1: never told No back, I want to smoke. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: season two All the Smoke. We have our first w

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Speaker 1: NBA player. We're very excited about that. But not only

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Speaker 1: is she a w NBA player, she's a four time champ.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Sue Bird to the show. So how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good, Thanks for having me. What's up, Champ?

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, I'm good. I mean, you know how it

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Speaker 1: is after you win, you're still is the best? Right?

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Speaker 1: Get to enjoy you, get to enjoy it. Um, you

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Speaker 1: know we're you and I went to college the same time. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're in your seventeen coming up on forty years of age?

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Speaker 1: Is there a timetable left? Know? Tom Brady at forty two,

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Speaker 1: Vince at forty three? Just shut it down? What is

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Speaker 1: your what is your thinking? You've always been known to

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Speaker 1: keep your body in mind in great shape. Is the

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Speaker 1: finish line? Near. I don't think so. It's like, asked

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Speaker 1: me in a month, asked me in two months. Things

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Speaker 1: just change like that when you're this age. But as

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Speaker 1: of right now, I think I'm gonna go for it.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. We got the Olympics maybe coming up, so

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Speaker 1: there's that too, Yes, that would be what you're an

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Speaker 1: opportunity when you're fifth gold medal. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of hardware, from college to the

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Speaker 1: League to the Olympics. You've got a lot of hardware.

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Speaker 1: Just trying to stack them up. That's all you can do. Man.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you always are never

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Speaker 1: there's always more room. There's always room. Right now, You've

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Speaker 1: always been known to be a fairly private person, but

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Speaker 1: you've very outspoken on social justice issues, UM equality, female rights, UM,

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Speaker 1: racial discrimination. With the with the election around the corner,

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Speaker 1: what is your message behind all that vote? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the one thing I learned I think this this um.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say summer. I guess it is

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Speaker 1: the summer into the fall. It's just how important voting is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the one quick story I can tell is

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul actually set up with with with the n

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Speaker 1: call with Michelle Obama and to hear her all she

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about was voting. And I know she's

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Speaker 1: dedicated her like post first Lady life to that, but

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Speaker 1: to hear her talk about like, yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 1: President Obama, he killed it in the election, but then

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Speaker 1: we lost all the midterm elections and now you see that, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you see how all these senators are the ones

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Speaker 1: controlling everything. So I think there's different ways we can

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Speaker 1: all have and make impact. But the one way we

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Speaker 1: can for sure have our voices heard is to vote,

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Speaker 1: and then not only that, for me, a step further,

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Speaker 1: like educate people on voting, get other people to vote,

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Speaker 1: not just so not just my vote, right, like trying

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Speaker 1: is has been the one thing that has stood out

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Speaker 1: the most. I think it's important. And when we say vote,

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Speaker 1: I'm because I'm on the same thing. It's obviously when

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Speaker 1: we tell people to vote, that's almost a loaded situation

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Speaker 1: because once you get there, there's so much stuff you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to already know, and it's really confusing if you

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Speaker 1: really don't go in there with the plan. But it's

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Speaker 1: not just on the federal level. It's on your local

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Speaker 1: and state level as well, because that's where the laws

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Speaker 1: So there's just there's definitely a lot that comes with it.

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Speaker 1: But like I said, it's not just for the presidency,

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Speaker 1: it's for your community as well, and that's that's where

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Speaker 1: I think people can be really effective at as well

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Speaker 1: and see immediate turnaround. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, like as

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Absolutely, the NBA did a great

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Speaker 1: of that. This was that plus like all this other

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Speaker 1: stuff with safety and COVID and you know, one big

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Speaker 1: non negotiable was that the season was going to be

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Speaker 1: dedicated to In the moment, we didn't know Brianna Taylor

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Speaker 1: a lot I mean, low key. I wish there was

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Speaker 1: I mean crazy how similar A lot of the feelings

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Speaker 1: It was the exact same on the w n b

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Speaker 1: understand if you're not. You guys have really always been

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Speaker 1: at the forefront as far as being creative with messaging

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Speaker 1: and campaigns and and and things of that nature. And

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Speaker 1: I said back on ESPN about a month ago, I

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Speaker 1: was like, if any quote unquote white players can understand

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Speaker 1: the w n b A. Because ever since your inauguration,

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Speaker 1: you your fighting, your voice, and your message has always

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Speaker 1: to me, that's probably one of the main reasons I

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Speaker 1: when it comes to ideas, what what what What's behind that?

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Speaker 1: we come, we have like all different It's like a

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Speaker 1: just kind of it just kind of came naturally. I've

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Speaker 1: very quickly, you know, once the Milwaukee Bucks were like

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Speaker 1: two days off, They need moments. But then within those moments,

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Speaker 1: no different. Yeah, I mean, like I said, the lead

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Speaker 1: it is when we're playing basketball. Um. But the best

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Speaker 1: I think after going through it, it's just it's almost

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was it was tough. I just hate

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429
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Speaker 1: a scope and there's like a scar on my toe,

430
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: like the size of my foot. I'm like, what the

431
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 1: fund was this like? And that was like surgery medical

432
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 1: that you know, the medical side was much different back then.

433
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: So you were you were able to establish you know,

434
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: winning two championships. They're playing with Diana and Swing Cash.

435
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: What was it like being able to win with your friends?

436
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: That was the best part we had. We had a

437
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: really it was like a it was a close group.

438
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 1: Like my class is super tight group chat still popping now.

439
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: But then even so in these class was two years

440
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: younger and they we had five in my class, Will

441
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: ended up four at the end, but and they had five.

442
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: So it's like these two like like in numbers, you

443
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, these two groups and they kind

444
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: of ride or die when we came together. We still

445
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: had so much fun. So it's like as like you

446
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 1: guys can It's like the memories aren't the winning. It's

447
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 1: nice that you win, but it's like all the other stuff.

448
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: Um so to do that and really, I mean you

449
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 1: mentioned two people for d and Swin, It's like I've

450
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: literally gone through everything with them starting in college. Swin

451
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: actually we played together in the w B A Me

452
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: and d played um me DA and Swin with the

453
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: national team that me and d went to Russia. It's

454
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: just like our careers are so intertwined and it's um

455
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: they're like sisters for sure, So it's it's always amazing

456
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: doing and winning with with your family. That's what's up

457
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: play for our legendary coach Gina r Ema, who wants

458
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: said you're the best point guard in the world. How

459
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 1: did this is the two part? How did that make

460
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: you feel? And then what is some of the best

461
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: advice he gave you during your time there? He definitely

462
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: didn't say that ship to my face? Do you know?

463
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: You know it's such a g man I love. I

464
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: never met him. I just saw I could just feel

465
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: his energy from the team. I've always fun with him,

466
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: even though I've never met him. He shoots it straight,

467
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: that's for sure. No, it's for him to say that

468
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: like I'm joking, but he he gives you compliments to

469
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: your face, but not when you're in college, not even

470
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: surely thereafter. So to have him say that, to know

471
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: who he's coach, who he's been around, it's obviously an

472
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: amazing compliment. I think the thing he taught me that

473
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: to this day I take with me is um It's

474
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: like a classic line of his basketball is not a

475
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: game of how to, It's a game of when to.

476
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: And that I think is like true for all players,

477
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: but especially for me at the point guard spot, Like

478
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm kind of you know, I'm not out there. I'm

479
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: not gonna dazzy with my athleticism. I'm not going to

480
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,959
Speaker 1: rely on those things, so I have to be really

481
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: it really is about when I'm doing this stuff, not

482
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: not how right, like everybody can shoot dribble past, but

483
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: it's like when and being really like smart about it

484
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: and calculated. And that's like my two two the number

485
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: one pick in the w NBA Draft. What do you

486
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: remember most about that that experience? Two things. One, um

487
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: just really realizing like how far Seattle was Like, I'm

488
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: East Coast. I went to an East Coast school. I

489
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, this is all the way on

490
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: the other side. Yeah, I wasn't. I wouldn't even I'm

491
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: not like a I don't get homesick like that. But

492
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: that was like a jolt when I finally went out there.

493
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: And then the other thing I remember about my rookie

494
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: year was we played against um the l A. Sparks,

495
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: who they had won the previous year. I mean, like

496
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: Lisa Leslie. They're like I can name names, but you

497
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: get it. They're the l A. They're like, it's l

498
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: A Sparks. And they had this one player, Nicky mccram

499
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: and I told the story recently actually, and she was

500
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: like picking me up full court, which is kind of

501
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: like there's like that point guard code code, you know,

502
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: it's like, really are we doing this? You're picking me

503
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: up full court? Okay? Fine? And she got me twice.

504
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: She written me twice like um, you know, and I

505
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: was like, dang. So come to find out after the game,

506
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: Michael Cooper put like a bounty on my head and

507
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: it was like, whoever she strips her whatever? It was

508
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: a strip. I was like, fuck, so that's what it is.

509
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: Number one pick you have the X on your back.

510
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: I should have asked this earlier, but we discussed this

511
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: with JJ. Redicko was against a couple of shows ago,

512
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: being a smaller, you know, a Jewish girl from Long

513
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: Island right away for you going to twice the King

514
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: and playing against a lot of black players, what was

515
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: that like? Because I remember like the thought process Jack

516
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: and I used to have and we would see like

517
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: one of these young up and coming. Don't let him

518
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: be like, you know, like a white boy. Rookie was

519
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be nice, like we wanted a dog his ass.

520
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: So did you face a lot of that? You know,

521
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: through high school college in the w n B A.

522
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: I hope, I mean, I hope, not Loki. I'm the

523
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: same way. I'm like, oh my god, they put a

524
00:24:50,960 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: white gu Yeah, I think that about right. I love you.

525
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: You're being in Seattle, and you've been in Seattle for

526
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: a while. You know about a restaurant called Catfish Corner No,

527
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: oh wait cafe. It's a restaurant that my father was

528
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: as a restaurant that my my family owned on mar

529
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 1: Luther King at Cherry Street. It was called Catfish Corners.

530
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: It was opened all around that time because every time

531
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: I played the Sonics, we uhould go there and eat.

532
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: Familiar with that restaurant. I don't think it's still open now.

533
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: I think they moved. But mar Luth Martin Luther King

534
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: a Cherry was a prominent the area in Seattle for

535
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: a while. That's one thing though, I mean, obviously after

536
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: getting your footing in Seattle, I think Seattle's absolutely beautiful.

537
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: Amazing restaurants. I feel like an NBA team should definitely

538
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: be out there, maybe the Clippers, maybe Bomber takes the

539
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: Clippers and kind of set their own identity out there.

540
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: But how do you love the city now? Obviously being

541
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: there for so long, I know why you love it?

542
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: Man didn't mad Anto, No, No, I do love it.

543
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: It did take me a minute, though, and like it's

544
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: not surprising. I don't know a restaurant outside of like

545
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: the Seattle area because anything outside it feels like a

546
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: road trip. I don't really leave my little my little

547
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: nook um. People always make fun of be like, oh,

548
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: have you gone to Vancouver? I'm like, no, have you

549
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: gone to If I go to Bellevue, it's a road trip.

550
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: But I do love it. I do love it. It

551
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: has become I always say, like, when I land in

552
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: the Seattle airport, that feels like home, you know, like

553
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: that airport when you land, it feels like, Okay, I'm home.

554
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: That's what That's what that feels like. Now. It took

555
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: a minute, but I've I've grown to like, absolutely love

556
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: the city. Two thousand four, you get your first w

557
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: NBA championship, being one of eleven women to win an

558
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: Olympic gold medal w NBA championship. What did that moment

559
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: mean to you be able to get your first one

560
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: on the biggest stage. Um, I mean, looking back, I

561
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: don't think I like now I realized is how hard

562
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: it is, how special it is. Looking back, I kind

563
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: of was like I was young, I was fresh out

564
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: of college. Ride one twice I was like, oh, this

565
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: is supposed to happen, and I'm not even being It

566
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: wasn't like a cocky thing. It was just kind of like, Okay,

567
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: this is what we do. And then I mean, I'm

568
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: sure you got It's like we didn't get to the

569
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: finals for six years, so we won, and then we

570
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: didn't get there for six years and we had like

571
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: the same core group. So looking back, I should have

572
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: like cherished the moment more than I did. Its something

573
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: you learned, but you were lucky enough to win a

574
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: few more. You've had some great battles against Diana Tarassi

575
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: throughout your career, but on the w NBA level, what

576
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: are those battles meant for you too? Seeing that you

577
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: guys are so close. Yeah, I mean, Loky, I've been

578
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: trying to get her to like sit down with me

579
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: and like watch games. I think it'd be so dope

580
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: to have two people, not just me and here, but

581
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: like two people sit down watch a game they competed

582
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: in and be like, Okay, what were you thinking in

583
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: that time out or what happened after you did that shot?

584
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Because for me and Are, there's like a lot of big,

585
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: big games that we've competed against each other. We've played

586
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I think like maybe like four or

587
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: five different series. I've gotten the best of her, She's

588
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: gotten the best of me. I'm like, thank God, I

589
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: don't have to guard her. Ask though, I'll tell you that,

590
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: so it's always somebody else's problem, um, because she's tough.

591
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: She doesn't lose in those moments, so it's tough. She's

592
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: a Beast's a beast for sure. Two thousand sixteen, you

593
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: guys draft me on the Stewart who later becomes not

594
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: only Rookie of the Year but m v P. In

595
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, what is it like being the

596
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: veteran now seeing these these young girls come in and

597
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: and and you got one of the best in the game. Yeah,

598
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't said this to her face. I've

599
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: said it publicly, but like she like saved my career.

600
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even being you know, dramatic about that. I

601
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: was at a point where it was kind of like,

602
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, two thou sixteen, I'm thirty six, I've you know,

603
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I've done a lot, but I've also had to like

604
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: endure a lot with my body, some injuries. And then

605
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: we kind of get with her and Jewel Lloyd who

606
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: got drafted the year before, these like youngsters. It was

607
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: like this breath of fresh air, and it just it

608
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: took over our franchise, It took over me. I had

609
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: this like new purpose which was to help them out, right,

610
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Like I always say, you want to leave those friend,

611
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: or I want to leave this franchise, you know, in

612
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: great hands. So I want to help them as much

613
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: as I can. But it's like she could probably sit

614
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: here and tell you the ways in which I've helped her.

615
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: But the truth is she like legit, her and Jewel

616
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: both like legit save my career. And I'm probably playing

617
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: right now because of them coming to the store. M mmm.

618
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: Do with that said, you you know you got your

619
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: third ring, but help those two get there first. In

620
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen. What was that like to be

621
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: to be able to get them to that place you've

622
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: been so many times. Yeah, that was crazy because it

623
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: was like happiness from like a personal standpoint, but it

624
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: was also this like looking at probably I don't have kids,

625
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming it's like when your kids do something special,

626
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: you have this like other sense of pride. Yeah, so

627
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, they're not my kids, but I feel like

628
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: in basketball life they kind of are. So it was

629
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: kind of like she's so it was dope. It was dope. Yeah.

630
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: One of your childhood memories was to win, uh, to

631
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: make the Olympic team, and then obviously you've been able

632
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: to succeed that and win four gold medals and and

633
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: and fingers crossed you'll be able to join them next

634
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: year to possibly win your fifth. Tell us what it's like, because,

635
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, you've been winning for such a

636
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: long time. How different is winning for your country? Oh

637
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: that's crazy because especially like growing up for me, there

638
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: was no w n B A. So like you went

639
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: to college and you like heard about people playing in Europe,

640
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know, you're like fourteen, I don't know

641
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: what the hell that is. That's not like what you're

642
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: dreaming to do. So I was like, all right, I

643
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: hope to go to college. And then it was the

644
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: Olympic team that was like it. And right around yeah,

645
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: right around when I turned fourteen fifteen, you had the

646
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: Olympic team who ended up winning in Atlanta ninety six.

647
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: They like did this year long tour. It's like all

648
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: the big names, and that was like, oh, I want

649
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: to do that. So that's that was always kind of

650
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: the dream. So even though playing professional basketball overseas in

651
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: the w b A is great, um, I mean it's

652
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: more than great. It's it's obviously epic, but being on

653
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: the Olympic team, that for me was the ultimate ultimate.

654
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: So to do that multiple times. Um, to go overseas

655
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: and no matter who you're playing, where you're playing them,

656
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: people just want you to lose, but you still find

657
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: a way to win. It's nice. Everybody. They love us.

658
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: They want to live in our country. I mean, I

659
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: hope still. I don't know about anymore, but the people

660
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: overseas like want to live here, but they want to lose.

661
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: They cheer up no matter who you're playing, they cheer

662
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: against you. There's no question but that that's to me,

663
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: that's always been that driving motivation. I'm sure it's on

664
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: another level for you when you're doing in the Olympics.

665
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: You were intricral in helping UM with the pay plan

666
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: for the national team and then also help changing the

667
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: c b A for players in the w n b

668
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: A because most people watching this note but you guys,

669
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: some people have always had to go overseas to make

670
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: ends meet because the pay was so minimum, you know.

671
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: So like I said, you were very intricral and obviously

672
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: getting the you know, the national team payment situation started,

673
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: and then devising the new CBA. Tell us how important

674
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: that was to you, UM, to be able to help,

675
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: because I know you're always about getting back and for

676
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: who's next. Yeah, that's really what it is, UM, because

677
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: really like the c b A. I might get to

678
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: play under it like another year or two, but it's

679
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: not really for me. It wasn't That's not what the

680
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: motivator was. It was for the kids coming up, the kids,

681
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, in high school. I think something about women's basketball.

682
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: It's kind of backwards. It's like college gets all this rightfully,

683
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: so college should get love, but the w b A

684
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: should get equal, if not more love because for a

685
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: college kid, you're there four years, you have a ten

686
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: plus year career, So it's kind of backwards in this way.

687
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: And I just think a big part of it is, like,

688
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: you want to you want to have a league that's

689
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: going to motivate young kids to want to stay in

690
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: the sport, to want to play, to want to move on.

691
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: And I think we just had this like narrative around us,

692
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: and some of it was rightfully, so some of it

693
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: was kind of a stretch, but like that it was

694
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: like a shitty league, you don't get paid, why play?

695
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: This is stupid, all this stuff. So we wanted to

696
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: change that, and so a big part of that was

697
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: getting more money, you know, like changing just kind of

698
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: the the makeup of how the cap got divvied out.

699
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Like we had a max salary, so once you were

700
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: maxed out, that was it. But there was also obviously

701
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: like but there's this hard cap with a number they

702
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: have to hit and I'm not gonna like bore you

703
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: with it, but eventually your best players weren't getting all

704
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: that extra money when the cap will go up right

705
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: like every year, because you were maxed out, that was it.

706
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: And this is it was like just the format was ridiculous,

707
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: so we got to change that. So now people can

708
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: make like in their w b A like basketball salary

709
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: over two in. But then there's offseason stuff they can

710
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: do too, So like there could be three or four

711
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: players staying home every year, making like close to half

712
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: a million dollars, which is huge and to your point,

713
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: maybe not have to go overseas anymore. Right, Yeah, because

714
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: you saw I want to ask because obviously, you know,

715
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Brianna went over there and tore her a c L

716
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: and had to sit out for a season, but explained

717
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: to to our fans what your season would be like,

718
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: because you know, most people only think, hey, they they're

719
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: playing in the w n b A and then they

720
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: have all this off time. You guys go right from

721
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: that to overseas. So in a twelvemonth period, how much

722
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: basketball are you actually playing? I mean there, So if

723
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough I guess to be like on you know,

724
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: on a WB team that goes deep into the playoffs

725
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: or just the playoffs, then you're on your overseas team.

726
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: And then if you throw the national team in there.

727
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean there were years where I'm not even exaggerating

728
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: if I had like a week and a half off.

729
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing, this is so long.

730
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: Where are we gonna go? Like it was just Bob

731
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: to Bob to Bob. And a lot of people's contracts

732
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: will say something like whatever day your WB season ends,

733
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: you have to report ten days after. So if you

734
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: lose in the first round, he was in the finals, whatever,

735
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you get ten days and then boom and then a

736
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: lot of times you come back late to the w

737
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: B A training camp. So it's just a year round grind.

738
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's worth it because the pay is so

739
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: good overseas, so it's like, you gotta do what you

740
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: gotta do. And I think we would love to kind

741
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: of end that in that cycle so people can just

742
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: stay home and make that comedy. Last Februar year, you

743
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: officially resigned with the Storm. Um thoughts on being one

744
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: of those legendary players that stick with just that franchise

745
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: their entire career And did you ever think that at

746
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: one point you might possibly play somewhere else? Um? Like

747
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: plead the fifth n I did? I did? I did?

748
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: Because before we drafted Jewel, who was right before Stewie.

749
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: So it's like two dozen you know fourteen. It was

750
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: kind of like we didn't know that we were rebuilding,

751
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: and the franchise said, this is it, We're rebuilding. Got

752
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: rid of like all the other O G s if

753
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: you will, and so it was just me. I was

754
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: the only one, and it was kind of like, all right,

755
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: like I had some years left, do I want to

756
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: never play in the playoffs again? That resonated. Somebody said

757
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: that to me, like do you just never want to

758
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: play in the playoffs again? I was like, dang no, Yeah,

759
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: that really hit me. So it was in that moment

760
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: where I kind of juggled and I'll be honest, the

761
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: only places I really would have gone probably is the

762
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: only place was probably no. Hell no, never would you

763
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: have ever because you know, there was obviously joking, you know,

764
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: Diana would joke about it. Did you guys ever seriously

765
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: talk about playing together in your w NBA careers? So

766
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: this is interesting. So we did once, but it was

767
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: in Russia. There was like vodka on the table, and

768
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: it was it was just and we were kind of like,

769
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: but we both we both basically said if we ever

770
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: did it, we would have to go somewhere else like

771
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: not her Seattle or meta Phoenix, like we go, what's fun?

772
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: I wonder if like, because things are just different now,

773
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: Like the talk of it's different to talk about players

774
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: leaving is different. Our cb A is different now with

775
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: the money. Whereas before it was it was hard to leave.

776
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: We have we have like a core title which is

777
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: kind of like franchise players, so they can just keep

778
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: you no matter what. But things are different now. And

779
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: I wonder if d and I were like twenty six

780
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: now right like contracts just coming up, I wonder if

781
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: we would have ever done it? Do have been dangers

782
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: taking your talents to New York exactly? Um, Seattle's field

783
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: with rich sports history obviously the connection that Russell Wilson

784
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: has and King GRIFFI Jr. Shall Camp, Gary Payton. The

785
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: list goes on. How has that experience and interaction been

786
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: for you over the trajectory of your career and all

787
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: you've been able to accomplish. Yes, I think Seattle is

788
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: like special in that way because it's, um it's a

789
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: small it's a big enough city where it has all

790
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: this stuff, but it's small enough where it's really close

791
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: knit and all the sports teams they really support each other. Um,

792
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean listen. Speaking of track, you know, backtrack two

793
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: thousand two. I get drafted, like two weeks later, I

794
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: fly out. The first thing I do is go to

795
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: a Sonics playoff game. So that was like my introduction

796
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: to the city was watching Gary Payton play, you know

797
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, which was like insane and I'll never

798
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: forget it because every time he had an assist, the

799
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: announcer would just be like a little love from the

800
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: glove and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna

801
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: like it here, I'm gonna like it here. Um. I

802
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: think it was like the next year where Ray out,

803
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: where they got he got traded and Ray came UM,

804
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: which again was like some great years of Sonic basketball.

805
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm basketball biased, but it was so dope to

806
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: go to those games. I was at UM when they

807
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: lost to the Spurs in the playoffs that year with Ray,

808
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Richard Lewis, Um, we were all at those games. You know,

809
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: I missed that. I actually really missed that. But the

810
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: same goes with the Seahawks, the Mariners, UM, the Sounders,

811
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: the rain you name it. There's tons of sports teams

812
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: in Seattle and we all we all just kind of

813
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: get along support each other. It's it's really cool, a special,

814
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: it's dope. Transitioning a little bit. Two seventeen, you came

815
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: out to the world that you were dating, Uh, Megan Rapino.

816
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 1: Obviously I've read an articles that your family and close

817
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: friends already knew what you were about. But no doubt,

818
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: no doubt. Was it a relief? Was it? What was

819
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: it feeling when you finally just came out? But like

820
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: I said, because like I said before, you know, everyone

821
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: close to you knew the situation, but kind of just

822
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: getting off your chest for everyone else to stop prime

823
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: pricking or wondering. Was there a sense of relief with that? Yeah?

824
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: There was definitely. Um, I think you said it. It's

825
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: like everybody in my life knew, and truly I didn't.

826
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: I didn't really fully appreciate what it was, what it

827
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: would have meant for me and others to actually just

828
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: say it publicly. I was just kind of like, what

829
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm living my life. I don't hide anything, Like why

830
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: do I feel like say it to a journalist? But

831
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: then when it happened and I did, it was kind

832
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: of like, oh, this is nice. This is like I

833
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: always joked, like I don't have to come out thirty

834
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: thousand times anymore. There was just the one big one,

835
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, and it was done. Um And I think

836
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: it helps other people to like the more people say

837
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: and express you know, who they love and what they're about.

838
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: It just I don't know it helps others. So that

839
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: part I didn't give enough weight too. That was one

840
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: thing that you know, when when when people ask why

841
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: sometimes athletes or celebrities share public information or public hardship

842
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: or whether situation. Maybe most of the time it's not

843
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: necessary for our benefit, but it because so many people

844
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: look up to us and understand that ship if Sue

845
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Bird is going through this, if Steven Jackson is going

846
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: through this, I can get through this. You know, are

847
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: or I'm fine now? So I think you hit it

848
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: on the head right there. It's beautiful because, like I said,

849
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: our lives are people look at us like we're not normal,

850
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: when we're just as normal as everyone else, and we

851
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: go through the same ups and downs, bullshit, hardships, great times.

852
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: So we're able to share some of our personal life

853
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: and encourage others. It really goes a long way. Absolutely,

854
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: And I noticed that like right out the gate, like

855
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: literally that the second article hit I just like most

856
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: of it on social medi obviously, but even in person,

857
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: I'd have everyone from like a fifteen year old going

858
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: out of their way to be like, thank you so

859
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: much to change my life to like year old would

860
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, you made me realize you

861
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was pretty crazy. And

862
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, Meg is kind of like me. We rocked

863
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to the beat our own drum, and we where we

864
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: want to wear. Take me through the morning of hug

865
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: getting dressed. She'd be wearing a lot of crazy stuff. Yeah,

866
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, she's like everyone else. We're like every now

867
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: and then, you know, like you plan the outfit in

868
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: your head and then when you put it on, you like, huh,

869
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: not quite that's gonna be. Yeah. She has those moments,

870
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it's like anything right. It's

871
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: like just the confidence to like be who you are,

872
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: where would you want? Then it looks it look it's

873
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna look good. And that's usually when she puts stuff on.

874
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: I have my moment stressed, but it has this look.

875
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm like whoa, And then twenty minutes later I'm like, Okay,

876
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: I see where you were going with that, and it

877
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: actually works, right, that's what we love. Yeah, so the

878
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: person makes the clothes, not the clothes making the person.

879
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: I want to take it back a little further. Obviously

880
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: you guys are a power couple now, But how did

881
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: how did all this start? Um? So we actually so

882
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: she plays on the team in Seattle, which and we

883
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: have the same not the same agent, but the same agency.

884
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like we knew of each other.

885
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, of course you're gonna know names and whatnot,

886
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: but we didn't really meet until the Olympics two thousand sixteen.

887
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Was like the first time. There was like a hello

888
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: before that, but it was really the first time we

889
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: like hung out, and I mean she was in a relationship,

890
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: so it wasn't even like that at first, but then

891
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: like very quickly it was kind of like we're texting

892
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: a lot, I don't know, and then we're both in Seattle,

893
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: and then from there obviously the rest of history. It works.

894
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: It's that she's someone who's been very vocal and advocate

895
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: for the leg bt Q community racial issue. She took

896
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: a knee with cap. What is it like seeing her

897
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of strength? Obviously you have your type of strength,

898
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: she has her type of strength. But what is it

899
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: witnessing that firsthand? Unbelievable? UM. I mean we were, we

900
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: were we had just started dating when she took a knee,

901
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, with with Colin, like in solidarity with Colin,

902
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: and just to see somebody. I've always said, it's like

903
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: it's one thing to to fight for what's right for

904
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: like you, you know, like when it directly impacts you.

905
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: That's kind of it's not it's never easy to speak up,

906
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but that's easier because you're like

907
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: fighting for This was for her just she just believed.

908
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ask her in that moment what happened,

909
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: She's like, I believe Colin. That's all it was. It

910
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: was just listening to him speak and seeing what he

911
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: was doing. She believed, and so and she knew, not new.

912
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: She wanted to support that, that's all it was. And

913
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: then to see the backlash, right, because here we have

914
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: like a cute little white girl and yeah she's gay,

915
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: but a cute little white girl on the U S

916
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: woman's national team receiving all kinds of hate, right, And

917
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: so to watch her kind of go through that and

918
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: handle it the way she did. Um, to continue to

919
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: be vocal about these things. It was just I mean,

920
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: we had just started dating, but it was it was amazing,

921
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: It really was. So yeah. Absolutely. She was also quoted

922
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: saying she wouldn't go to the White House if they won,

923
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: and then this bumbass president had some slick to say,

924
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: and then you wrote an open letter defending her to

925
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the Player's Tribute, saying, so the president hates I thought that.

926
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: I thought that she was. So tell me what, tell

927
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: me what? Tell me what that was like kind of

928
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: pinning that and getting all your ideas together because normally

929
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: you guys aren't the ones quote unquote being attacked or

930
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: or hate being sent at you. Um, but you kind

931
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: of found yourself in the wildfire right there. What was

932
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: that experience like? Um, I mean it was what it

933
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: was like, Like looking back, I wouldn't have done anything different,

934
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like for all the good

935
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: and the bad that comes with it. To me, it

936
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: was two things like defending Megan but also simultaneously defending

937
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: like what she was standing for. And so it's like

938
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go back and change it. So but it

939
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: was crazy. I mean, I will say there was more

940
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: in terms of that article. There I feel like a

941
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: lot more positive than negative reactions to it. Um. Of

942
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: course there's I mean, you guys, I'm sure like social

943
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: media is just whatever it's successiool. But aside from that,

944
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: like Megan I talked about all the time, it's like

945
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: never to our faces. That's the ship. It's like never

946
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: to our thing. She's actually only had and she could

947
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: tell you this story one day, like she's had one

948
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: person say something to her face and it was like,

949
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: I want to say, it was like a veteran of

950
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: some sort, like something involving the military. But that's it,

951
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: never to our faces. So to me, it's it's always

952
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: going to go further from like a positive standpoint. Um.

953
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: So I would I would always do again. And it

954
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: was fun writing it. I had a good time. I mean,

955
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: because there's like light parts to it, there's serious parts.

956
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: Do it do it now? You know? Cowards never they

957
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: always talked that ship behind the behind the keyboard or

958
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: behind the Instagram. They'll never say it to your face.

959
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: That's why you gotta just let it go. Um transitioning

960
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: into europe Athletic ambassador for her sister's CBD company. UM,

961
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: what I want to get your thoughts on CBD and

962
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: then also thhc UM and just thoughts on athletes and

963
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: professional sports being able to utilize that to you know,

964
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: to help recover them into their benefit. Yeah. I mean

965
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: obviously I'm you know, a big proponent of it. I'm

966
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: very much um into it. I guess I think it's

967
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: it's like, as an athlete for soul for so many years,

968
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: you see all the drugs that are kind of passed around,

969
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: whether it's like anti inflammatory sleep aids, whatever, and so

970
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: to me, obviously it's just the stigma, which is slowly

971
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: starting to change, but it's the stigma of it all

972
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: that gives it a bad rap um. But this Mendi's

973
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: the name of the company, and it's the Bent is

974
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: it's CBD. The there is some product which with THHD

975
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: in it, but yeah, but the Bent is towards athletes

976
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: and kind of like that recovery, whether you're a professional

977
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: athlete or like that weekend Warrior vibe. And I think

978
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: it was like three years ago Megan started talking to

979
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: me about maybe more than three or four years ago,

980
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: Megan started talking about CBD. Fast forward a year or two,

981
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: her sister starts this company and it was just I

982
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: don't know. So we kind of all went through the

983
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: process of trying different products and kind of like giving

984
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: our take on things. And I actually, um, because if

985
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: you've ever used like the oil on like you know,

986
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: your elbow her to throw some oil on it, it

987
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: gets like all over you. So we actually have like

988
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: a stick so you don't have to actually physically touch it.

989
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: It's at the Mendy stick. So I love using that

990
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: just for like different parts of your body. And then

991
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: there's gummies, and there's capsules, and then there's actually like

992
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: a chink shire too, so it's just like CBD to

993
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: me personally, I'm obsessed. This summer. We didn't have drug

994
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: testing in the Bubble, so it's a totally different experience.

995
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: It was, it really was. It was just like I

996
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: slept amazing the whole season, you know what I mean.

997
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: Like I was literally taking the gummies the second the

998
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: seat the games were over, because I was like, all right,

999
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm probably like in the hotel like an hour and

1000
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: a half. This will hit at the right time, because

1001
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: as you know, sometimes it's hard to sleep half the games. Um.

1002
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just to me, it's been life changing

1003
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: as an athlete. Um and I think the THHC part

1004
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: of it, like like for people who smoke or whatever.

1005
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see that being any different from

1006
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: like I said, all the drugs that have been kind

1007
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: of like pushed for all these years. So it sounds like,

1008
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: um Jack that she might need to come to a

1009
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: smokeout once she retires and we'll teach her how to

1010
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: uh row some joints and enjoy the enjoy the other

1011
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: side of it as well. I would be on my

1012
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: smoke team. There you go, smoke buddies. What are your

1013
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on people that say the female game is not

1014
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: fun to watch, They're not athletic, they're not this, they're

1015
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: not that. What are your thoughts to people who have

1016
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: that point of view on your guy's sport? Yeah, I mean,

1017
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: first and foremost adventure to say, like a lot of

1018
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: people who just come out and say that haven't even watched.

1019
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: So it's like you got to take that opinion with

1020
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: like a grain of salt because a lot of people,

1021
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: for a long time it was just kind of easy.

1022
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: We were the easy target, you know. And I've always said,

1023
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: like like hockey, I've been to like a Rangers game,

1024
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: Islanders game in my life. Like, I'm not a huge

1025
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: hockey fan, although there is one coming to Seattle, so

1026
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: I should probably get on board. But but I even

1027
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: though I don't necessarily like hockey, I don't go out

1028
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: there and shipped on it. But there's something about where's

1029
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: basketball where it's not enough to not like it. It's

1030
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: always been this easy target. So that's like it's kind

1031
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: of hard to take the comment not seriously, but it's

1032
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of hard to have a reaction to because I

1033
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of people just haven't watched. The

1034
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: other part of it is we're also this we fall

1035
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: into this weird I don't know category where we get

1036
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: compared to our male counterpart. And I'll be first one

1037
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: to tell you, like, we can't jump as high, we

1038
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: can't dunk, we can't run as fast, we can't do

1039
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: these things. But why does that make the game worse?

1040
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: Why does it make it any you know? And I

1041
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: think the one thing when people say, like when NBA

1042
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: players will come out and support and support of us,

1043
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: and Kobe Bryant was was obviously a big you know,

1044
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: WNB a fan and for his daughter, And I think

1045
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: when I look at Kobe and I think what he

1046
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: saw on GIG was this player who loved the game

1047
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: and wanted to be great at it and was going

1048
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: to put in the work. And that's all we are.

1049
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: We're just athletes who love what we do. We put

1050
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: in the work and we try to do our best

1051
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: and win championships and like have impact on people's lives.

1052
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: And it's the same. It's only when you start comparing

1053
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: like the jumping, like not just jumping, but like the

1054
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: physical attribute, just the athleticism. You know, when you break

1055
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: it down to just pure skill, you guys are neck

1056
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: and neck when it because you guys have to be

1057
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: Like some NBA players can get away with being a

1058
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: freak athlete or super strong and they can lack some skill,

1059
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: but on your guys level, the skill level has to

1060
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: be elite to be there. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And like

1061
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: I like, I'm just I've definitely had like some come

1062
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: to Jesus moments with all this talk about it, you know,

1063
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: because it's just like in terms of I used to

1064
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: like fight it, I would argue, but now I'm like,

1065
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: if you like the men's game, that's cool, Like you

1066
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: don't have to like the women's game just because you

1067
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's cool. But my thing is,

1068
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: did you ever even really give it a chance? Like

1069
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: did you ever actually watch it? Did you ever actually

1070
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: get into it into the storylines the way that you

1071
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: do with with maybe the NBA or wherever um, Because

1072
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: it is different and we do have to rely, like

1073
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: you said, Matt, like we have to rely on other things.

1074
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: So we have to play together. We have to. We

1075
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: can't just go one on one. You'll never see a

1076
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: Houston Rockets in our league. It just won't happen. But

1077
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: a lot of but a lot of people, a lot

1078
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: of people that do that they don't understand. In order

1079
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: that like something, you don't have to demean the next.

1080
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: And one thing we understand a boy athletes is me personally,

1081
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: Like I know that the w NBA game is finally need.

1082
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: I have five daughters and I wish my daughters played basketball.

1083
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: But have the guys have the people that say that

1084
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: they mad one reason they because they can't beat you all,

1085
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: and they probably they probably anybody make they boys and

1086
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: girls junior team. So they really just hate because they

1087
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: wish they can do what y'all can do, and as

1088
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: good as y'all can do it. You know, I saw

1089
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: something really cool though, because through you know my kids.

1090
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: You know, Derek Fisher coaches the Sparks and that's my

1091
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: kids stepdad. So my kids never I used to add,

1092
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about? Girl? It's okay, they're

1093
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: eleven now, but they started going to games because he coaches,

1094
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: and they fucking love it. They FaceTime me from the

1095
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: game and they're so Like you said, I just think

1096
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: it's actually experiencing it. You'll really see how And like

1097
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: I said, for my boys, are you know, Jack knows

1098
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: my boy boy hardheaded boy boys, you know what I mean.

1099
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: But they really enjoyed that. You know they CANDUs did

1100
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: this tonight and so and so did that to not

1101
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: like they broke the game down, and just actually giving

1102
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: it a chance is most importan because like you said,

1103
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: most people are going to pre judge it before you

1104
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: actually give it a chance. Yeah. And also like that's

1105
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: an interesting point because your kids are eleven, so they've

1106
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: now like grown up with a world that has a

1107
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: w n B A like it's yeah, of course it's normal.

1108
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: Whereas like I think, for a long time it was

1109
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: new and we kind of had to break into people's mindsets,

1110
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, so that's pretty cool, especially for young kids. Yeah. Yeah, Um,

1111
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Hall of Fame class obviously Kobe kg

1112
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: duncan Uh and then Tamika Catching is also up for that. Um,

1113
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: to me, from from a male's point of view, one

1114
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: of the greatest Hall of Fame classes ever to go in.

1115
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts with that group? Yeah? I mean

1116
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: every I feel like every year there might be like

1117
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: one or two names where not not like what are

1118
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: they doing there? But maybe you didn't know them, you know,

1119
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: like they're a little bit older or you just didn't

1120
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: watch them. These are all names that are like everybody,

1121
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: these are household names, so that, I mean, that's a

1122
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: cool class to to go into. Obviously, shout out to

1123
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: to make a Catchings. She was my teammate with the

1124
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: USA basketball. She's she's that player that, like, no matter what,

1125
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: in scrimmages and in practice, you were like please, yes,

1126
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: You're like, please be on my team because she's going

1127
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: to get all the rebounds, like all the on top

1128
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: of everything else. You're just like, please be on my

1129
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: team so I don't have to like, you know, guard

1130
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: you or mess with you at all. She went hard

1131
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: all the time I was in Indiana. I was in

1132
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Indiana at the same time she was out there, and

1133
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: she goes hard. Bro, I seen it with my own eyes.

1134
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: She definitely goes hard. Yea. And those people I go

1135
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: hard in the game, I don't go that hard and practice.

1136
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: Those kind of people that go hard and practice is

1137
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: scary because you're gonna have to raise your level. You're

1138
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna end up getting yas ran over. We called the

1139
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: game speed. We called those who practice hard, we get

1140
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: ready to scrimmage, you guarden game speed. I'm not no.

1141
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: I got like a one quick story. Ryan Hollins was

1142
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: ultimate game speed. So we're in the first uh this

1143
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: mother We're doing motherfucking walk through for the playoffs against

1144
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: okay see, and he's on the scout team, and this

1145
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: motherfucker jumps a walk through pick and roll with Chris

1146
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: and needs him in his thigh, Like Chris almost is

1147
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: not able to play, like yo, Like I almost had

1148
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: to funk him up. Like, Bro, you're about to take

1149
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: our fucking point guard out in a walk through playoff

1150
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: shoot around? What the fund you doing the shoot around

1151
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: the worst? Like I know who you think you are?

1152
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: Right now? The game of the game. Hey, we gotta

1153
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: play a seven thirty tonight. I don't know what the

1154
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: you're doing right now at noon and we gotta play later.

1155
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: Who was the toughest player you've ever had to guard

1156
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: or who guarded you in your career? Both? Um, So,

1157
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: just because it's you know this this season is like fresh.

1158
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: Um is no joke. I just I just said, we'll

1159
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: never have a Houston Rockets. If there was gonna be

1160
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: that height, it would be whatever team she's on. So

1161
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: she's on Dallas right now. Like, that's the kind that's

1162
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: the kind of player. You can give her the ball

1163
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: and be like, go ahead, it's yeah, she's if unable,

1164
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: So guarding her, I was like, and then guarding me,

1165
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's been I'll have a shout out to

1166
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: another O. G. Jenny Z was always tough. She's older

1167
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: than I am. Jenny was tough. She was most memorable

1168
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: play or experience in your w NBA career. Um, So

1169
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: I've seen teammates shooting in the wrong basket, So that's

1170
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: as a professional, that's actually the most memorable. Lauren Jackson

1171
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: shot and made it in the wrong basket. I was like,

1172
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: this is that supposed to stop when you're like, I

1173
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: don't know eight. So that happened for me personally though.

1174
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: In two thousand eighteen, in our playoff run, we went

1175
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: to game five. We played five game series, so it's

1176
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: five in the semis against Phoenix, and I had probably

1177
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: like the best six minutes of my life. I scored

1178
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: like a bunch like fourteen ars on my points in

1179
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: the last six minutes and we won the game. We

1180
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: won Game five against Diana, so it's like on all levels,

1181
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: that will by far be Yeah, I'm most memorable I got.

1182
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: I got a quick question, Well, my my actually favorite

1183
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: female players don Stately, who is your favorite of all time?

1184
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: I know, I know you know of Don Stay, who

1185
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: is your favorite of all time? Of course I played

1186
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: with her against her. She's my coach with my favorite

1187
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: of all time, I have to So one is Jenny

1188
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Easy because she's like a little white girl with brown ponytail.

1189
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, that was like my c

1190
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: a b. At moment, I was like, oh, she's doing

1191
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: it like I could do this, and she's probably like

1192
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: five plus years older than I am. Um, but Shimiko

1193
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: holds man Killer when she signed it, when she signed

1194
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: a Jordan Brand. I don't know she gets on the

1195
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: Jordan Brand Jack, I don't think. I'm not sure, man,

1196
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But that was like Christley King dominated

1197
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: Tennessee dominated, like her proker and probably earlier than it

1198
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: should have. But like man, problem, she was a class

1199
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: the New York Liberty uh drafted uh Sabrina I I

1200
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: in school. I don't always butcher her last name. And

1201
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: I started, Yeah, I started following her obviously because like

1202
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: you said earlier, you know, Kobe's attention to the w

1203
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: n B. I always liked the w n B A.

1204
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: But when Kobe really you know, we talked a lot

1205
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: and he really started supporting it. I started watching it more,

1206
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: and you know, discovered her. She's a monster. What are

1207
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: your thoughts obviously getting hurt this season, we'll be your

1208
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: thoughts on you know, her future in the w n

1209
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: B A. Yeah, her getting hurt this season was a

1210
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: huge bummer for so many reasons. Um, you know, but

1211
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure for her as a player, it's like I

1212
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: can only imagine, right, like you have all this hype,

1213
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: all this talk value, you like dominated in college, you're

1214
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: the number one, and then you get hurt, like three

1215
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: games in it's just now you have to live with

1216
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: that for like a full year until you're probably gonna

1217
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: get back out there. So I felt for her on that,

1218
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: but um, she showed a lot in those first couple

1219
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: of games in the w b A because it is

1220
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: an adjustment, and she showed a lot. Um I think

1221
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: for her what I see or what I saw, she's

1222
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: already paying attention to her body and like taking care

1223
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: of herself and trying to be in like amazing shape.

1224
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: And that's like, you know, as a younger player, if

1225
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: you're already doing that at a young age, I mean

1226
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: that that can really help you out. Um, But just

1227
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: the way she she can do so much. I mean

1228
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: she obviously she stripled Double Queen from college, but you

1229
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: can see she she impacts the game like every part

1230
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: of the game offensively, defensively than like, she just has

1231
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: an impact on the game. And you saw that already.

1232
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited I've said this, like, even though

1233
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: I hope I have a year or two left, this

1234
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: is this is the one player, the first player in

1235
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: a long time, really a couple of the players in

1236
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: her class too, where I'm just like, as a fan,

1237
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to see how it plays out. Like

1238
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm excited to watch her and see how

1239
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: it goes. You know, I never felt that way, like

1240
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: even three or four years ago, I was like whatever,

1241
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: but this is like I'm actually excited to see Yeah,

1242
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: so it'll be fun to watch. Yeah. Absolutely, they have

1243
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: a chance to carry the torch for the league and

1244
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: take it to new level. So that's always inspiring. Your

1245
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: all time w n B A starting five, um, starting five.

1246
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: So we'll go Lisa Leslie mandatory mentor Lauren Jackson. God,

1247
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: it's tough, God, Maya Moore because I want to say,

1248
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: Tina Thompson to Tina Thompsons, fucking so good, Maya Moore,

1249
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: Diana Trassi, and then I'm tempted to put myself but

1250
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: I won't, and I'm gonna get yourself just for just

1251
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: for fun, I'm gonna go Becky Hammond. Hey, Becky had

1252
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: a gang. She is she's a little bit older, she

1253
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: around our age, a little bit older. She's like a

1254
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: little like three or four years Yeah. Yeah, soo we

1255
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. You know, the NBA guys supporting your guys

1256
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: a sport does a lot for your guys. A sport,

1257
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: you're personally a big fan of Kyrie. Jack is really

1258
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: close with him. Any memorable stories moments with Kyrie. Yeah,

1259
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: So the first time I really got to like meet

1260
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: Kyrie and then hang out was at the Olympics in

1261
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, And it was just cool because

1262
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 1: he's like a huge fan of basketball, like the guy

1263
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: like watches YouTube videos of like all different kinds of

1264
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: players and he's constantly trying to like learn um and

1265
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: I just really enjoyed like talking to him, and because

1266
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't look at things, I feel like this he

1267
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: wants to look at things differently because then he implements

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Speaker 1: that into his game. Right, He's not just going to

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Speaker 1: go do a workout that someone's always done, like shoot

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Speaker 1: five from five spots. He's like, no, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: shoot him from the other five spots. Like He's just

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Speaker 1: gonna do it a little differently, and you can see

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Speaker 1: that creativity in his game. So just kind of talking

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Speaker 1: to him, hearing how he looks at things basketball wise,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. But the first time

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Speaker 1: we actually met, I was just like at the hotel

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Speaker 1: or both the men's and the women's team were there

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Speaker 1: and it was just cool because like I'm much older

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Speaker 1: than he is, and he came up to me and

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, Sue, like, yeah, I've been

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Speaker 1: like dying to me. And it's just like yeah, in

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Speaker 1: the back of my yeah, in the back of my head,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been done to me. You too, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it was just cool to

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Speaker 1: have that like mutual respect. And then again, like I said,

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Speaker 1: getting to know him not just in basketball terms like

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Speaker 1: talking about basketball, yes, but like off the course stuff too.

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Speaker 1: It was fun because we were together for like our

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Speaker 1: teams were together for like a legit month when we're

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Speaker 1: over in the Olympics. So it's just really cool. And

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Speaker 1: then the friendship has continued. He we check in every

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Speaker 1: now and then. He's been so with like he took

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: me up with some like with the Nike shoes and

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Speaker 1: he did to keep so fresh, like collapse thing. He's

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Speaker 1: just yeah, he goes out of his way and that way,

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Speaker 1: and it's just been, um, it's just been really special

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Speaker 1: and of course I loved watching him do his thing

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Speaker 1: on the court. Hopefully we'll see him back, definitely a

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Speaker 1: real one. It's gonna be fun seeing what him and

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Speaker 1: k Do can do together next year and Steve Nash

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Speaker 1: after him, that's gonna be there, gonna be a fun

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Speaker 1: team to watch. Well, super thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Um and happy birthday, Thank you, and

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Speaker 1: enjoy your championship. Enjoy your birthday. And uh, we're excited

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Speaker 1: to hear you're not. You got some more in the

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Speaker 1: take and pop a couple of them gummies for me too.

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Speaker 1: And remember when you retire, your Smoke team is come

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Speaker 1: funk with us. Once you retired, we'll get you right,

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Speaker 1: I'll be on my way, don't right. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much for having me. I'm a big fan, can

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you, appreciate player, so we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: That's a rap. Thank you to our special guest, future

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famous Sue Bird Than You can catch all

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Speaker 1: the smoke on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the I Heart platforms.

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Speaker 1: Good show, Jack, the show, my boy, Thank you again.

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Speaker 1: So have a great offseason. So thank you. This is

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Speaker 1: all a smoke a production of The Black Effect and

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Speaker 1: Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime