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Speaker 3: What do we have, Krystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot of interesting stories to dig

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Speaker 1: into this morning. So Trump making some very noteworthy comments

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Speaker 1: on abortion that Republicans, Democrats a lot of response to

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Speaker 1: that one. Joe Biden already out with an ad on

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Speaker 1: abortion that we want to share with you as well.

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Speaker 1: The Rock is saying that he regrets endorsing Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: So kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: There so very noteworthy comments from an RFK junior state

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Speaker 4: So a lot that's going on this morning.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, before we get to that, we do

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you. But as CHRISTL said, we're going

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and start with abortion. So Trump had

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Speaker 2: quite a bit of a dust up yesterday releasing some

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Under my leadership, the Republican Party will always support the

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Speaker 5: creation of strong, thriving, and healthy American families. We want

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Speaker 5: to make it easier for mothers and families to have babies,

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Speaker 5: not harder. That includes supporting the availability of fertility treatments

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Speaker 5: like IVF in every state in America. Like the overwhelming

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Speaker 5: and pro life Americans, I strongly support the availability of

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Speaker 5: What could be more beautiful or better than that? Many

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Speaker 5: people have asked me what my position is on abortion

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Speaker 5: My view is now that we have abortion where everybody

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Speaker 5: the law of the state.

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Speaker 3: The law of the state. So a couple of very

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Speaker 2: Number one, I'm very pro IVF we want babies buke

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Speaker 2: That's why I want to get rid of Row versus

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Speaker 3: If successful, they will wipe out states. Right.

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Speaker 2: So a bit tortured and confused logic here we went

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Speaker 2: I mean, they are pushing this to the hilt, regardless

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a little bit of red meat

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Speaker 1: So there was that, there was you know, clearly he

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Speaker 2: Think this is the best he could do, and it's

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Speaker 2: Look, it's not powerful nationally, very powerful within the GOP

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Speaker 2: and specifically within the primary electorate. Only Trump really is

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Speaker 2: National Republican Mike Pence also said that Trump's statement was

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Speaker 2: It's very easy go and look what all these people

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Speaker 3: Leave it to the states. Leave it to the states,

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Speaker 3: that's all we want.

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Speaker 2: But I saw a very insightful piece of analysis Crystal

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Speaker 2: would lose abortion by twenty points, they never would have

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Speaker 2: inherent unpopularity of their position. But one person who does

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Speaker 2: is the Biden campaign, and the Biden campaign releasing a

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Speaker 2: absolutely new, devastating ad against Trump. This has thirty million

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 6: This is one of our willow boxes.

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Speaker 4: This is just filled with some of the things that

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Speaker 7: Yep, here's for a little baby book.

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Speaker 1: Let's just the outfit that she was gonna maybe wear

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Speaker 2: We all find out who's right in the end. Let's

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Speaker 2: A full timeline of Trump's positions on abortion. I really

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Speaker 2: Meet the Press. I am very pro choice. I hate

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Speaker 2: It's the irony because the pro life is almost certainly

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Speaker 2: on the screen just to underscore a lot of what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here, and it shows you the shift

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Speaker 2: from April of twenty twenty two when Dobbs happen. These

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Speaker 2: are views on abortion, and then keep in mind this is

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Speaker 2: from Fox News. They say, which of the best describes

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Speaker 2: your view on abortion? Always legal? Twenty seven percent legal

446
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Speaker 2: most of the time, seventeen percent illegal except for rape, incestins,

447
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Speaker 2: saving the life of the mother forty three percent, eleven

448
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Speaker 2: percent always illegal. A year later, April twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: now it's thirty two percent say always legal, twenty four

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Speaker 2: percent say illegal most of the time. March of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. Most recently we shift even more. Thirty five

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Speaker 2: percent are now saying always legal. That's actually the Republican nightmare.

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Speaker 2: The nine months of abortion combined with twenty four percent,

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Speaker 2: you got a clear majority. Almost sixty percent of the

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Speaker 2: public either saying always legal or illegal most of the time,

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Speaker 2: and a slim forty percent saying illegal except for a

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Speaker 2: rape incest case of the life of the mother, and

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Speaker 2: always illegal. Keep in mind, too, even that's just raw

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Speaker 2: population figures. If you if you consider where that is

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Speaker 2: disproportionately going to be concentrated and where they are, and

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Speaker 2: you can transpose that on top of the electoral college

462
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Speaker 2: and swing voters, it becomes even more devastating because you

463
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Speaker 2: have independent voters in each of these states which are

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Speaker 2: far more aligned in the always legal or illegal most

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Speaker 2: of the time case than anybody who's going to be

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Speaker 2: on the other side of the issue. So I've seen

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Speaker 2: Republican gymnastics on this now for many months, Democratic extreamists

468
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Speaker 2: and all that. It doesn't it simply doesn't land because

469
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Speaker 2: the ads and the stories that we continue to play

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Speaker 2: here that the Democrats continue to bring up are just

471
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Speaker 2: emotionally more resonant than the yeah, but partial birth, abortion

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Speaker 2: or any of that. Those are either conceptual or frankly,

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Speaker 2: people just don't care as much as the idea of

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Speaker 2: people like we played in that ad, a woman who

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Speaker 2: wanted to have wanted to have a baby denied a

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Speaker 2: medical procedure and now has a life changing infection and

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Speaker 2: is weeping on your screen.

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Speaker 3: You're just not going to beat it. It's impossible.

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Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but that's the landscape that's being fought.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, over now right, you.

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Speaker 1: Know those are the that's the legislation that's moving forward.

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Speaker 1: The bands are going to affect IVF under assault in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Questions about whether that's going to be the case in

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Speaker 1: other states. Is there going to be a nationwide band

485
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Speaker 1: like That's where all of the actually relevant political questions

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Speaker 1: lie at this point. So to try to say, oh, well,

487
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Speaker 1: Democrats are the real extremists on the issue, Well, voters

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Speaker 1: aren't seeing that because it's not Democrats who are aggressively

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Speaker 1: pushing forward legislation that is so fringe and so outlier

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, what.

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Speaker 4: People actually think on the issue.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it is remarkable, and I honestly I

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Speaker 1: didn't predict how important this would be. I certainly didn't

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Speaker 1: think in twenty twenty four that this would be such

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Speaker 1: a potent and central issue that so many elections, special

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Speaker 1: elections around the country, which would you know, would swing

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Speaker 1: on this, that there would be every single ballot initiative

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Speaker 1: that is pro choice, the pro choice side would win,

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Speaker 1: and frankly that it would really break down what has

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Speaker 1: been a long standing basically fifty to fifty gridlock on

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Speaker 1: the issue of choice. I mean, the pro choice side

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Speaker 1: now has basically, according to Fox News, a super majority,

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Speaker 1: a super majority. And it's not just the absolute numbers,

504
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Speaker 1: it's also who's motivated to vote on the issue. Prior

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Speaker 1: to Dobbs, it was always the pro life side that

506
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Speaker 1: was more motivated, more organized on the issue. They were

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Speaker 1: the ones who a, this is my single issue, this

508
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Speaker 1: is you know what I'm making my political choices on.

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Speaker 1: That dynamic too has flipped where you now have I

510
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Speaker 1: think more people on the side where you know that

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Speaker 1: are pro choice, where this is their top or potentially

512
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Speaker 1: even single issue that they're voting on. So it truly

513
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Speaker 1: has been an extraordinary landscape shift. Now let's we're going

514
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Speaker 1: to move on to some problems that Joe Biden is

515
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Speaker 1: having as well. Let's not pretend like this is the

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Speaker 1: only thing that's going on, the only thing that the

517
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Speaker 1: election is going to turn on. But I also don't

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Speaker 1: want to under sell the record that we see at

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Speaker 1: this point of how clearly voters have demonstrated in every

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Speaker 1: single opportunity that they have that this is important to

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Speaker 1: them and they're going to vote accordingly.

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Speaker 2: There is some ground being lost here amongst the coveted

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Speaker 2: bro demographic. The Rock Dwayne the Rock Johnson giving an

524
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Speaker 2: interesting interview on Fox News. Now we have to listen

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Speaker 2: carefully to what he has to say. He doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: say he regrets endorsing Joe Biden. He does say he

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Speaker 2: regrets endorsing a politician and entering the fray of politics,

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Speaker 2: but it is very clear that he sees that as

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Speaker 2: a mistake, his entrance into the political fray back in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty when he famously endorsed Joe Biden. Here's what

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Speaker 2: he had to say.

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Speaker 8: You made that endorsement twenty twenty. Are you happy with

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Speaker 8: the state of America?

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Speaker 9: Am I happy with the state of America right now? Well,

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Speaker 9: that answer is no. Do I believe we're going to

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Speaker 9: get better. I believe in that. I'm an optimistic guy,

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Speaker 9: and I believe we can't get better. The endorsement that

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Speaker 9: I made years ago with Biden was one I thought

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Speaker 9: was the best decision for me at that time. And

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Speaker 9: I thought back then when we talk about, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm in this position where I have some influence and

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Speaker 9: it's my job. Then I felt like that, then it's

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Speaker 9: my job now to exercise my influence and share with

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Speaker 9: this This is who I'm going to endorse. Am I

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Speaker 9: going to do that again this year? That answers No,

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Speaker 9: I feel like and I mean, we could go down

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Speaker 9: the well here, but there's in today's easy cancel culture

548
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Speaker 9: world and cancel culture, woke culture, this culture, that culture,

549
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Speaker 9: the vision, et cetera that really bugs me. And in

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Speaker 9: the spirit of that, you either in the spirit of that,

551
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Speaker 9: you either succumb and be what you think other people

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Speaker 9: want you to be, or you go, no, that's not

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Speaker 9: who I am. I'm going to be myself and I'm

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Speaker 9: going to be real. Maybe ask me something, A real

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Speaker 9: answer is important, all right.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I had to say. People know, I've

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Speaker 2: had a long and difficult journey with the Rock. I

558
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Speaker 2: always like the Rock. I want him to run for president.

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Speaker 2: But then he publicly embraced the so called will cancel

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Speaker 2: culture that he is openly trashing. There he engaged in

561
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Speaker 2: the Pylon on Joe Rogan. I guess Joe Rogan forgave him.

562
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Speaker 2: He actually ended up having him on the show. So listen,

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Speaker 2: it's up to Joe to litigate that. I will personally

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Speaker 2: not forget it that he entered that. I understand that

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Speaker 2: he's in the Hollywood sphere that he started posing for

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Speaker 2: pictures with Jeff Bezos. But now he says he won't.

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Speaker 2: Now he says he won't endorse Joe Biden. So I

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Speaker 2: don't really know what to take of it. I guess

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Speaker 2: what we could say is this, this man is he

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Speaker 2: cares monst about his image, about selling his Teremana tequila

571
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Speaker 2: and all that other stuff that he was promoting there

572
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Speaker 2: on the table, and his energy drink. And clearly the

573
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Speaker 2: Biden brand is bad for business, according to the Rock,

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Speaker 2: who I think ultimately just wants to sell as many

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Speaker 2: products as possible and keep his very very high Q

576
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Speaker 2: score approval rating with people, and so for that reason

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Speaker 2: appears to regret endorsing Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: Crystal.

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Speaker 1: I think that is very accurate and suit analysis. I

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Speaker 1: also think perhaps this is yet another lesson and don't

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Speaker 1: base your vote on celebrity endorsers, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: that most people do, because if they did, Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: would have been president of the United States. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that this is a warning that the American

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Speaker 1: people really need. But you know, I mean, listen, he's

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Speaker 1: not paid to be a political analyst. Uses a lot

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Speaker 1: of words there to say basically nothing like I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what his real point. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: he endorsed Biden in the first place, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know why he's not endorsing him this time.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the relevant.

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Speaker 1: Issues are outside of like you said, he now has

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Speaker 1: assessed that whereas previously he thought that was good for

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Speaker 1: his brand, now he no longer feels it is positive

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Speaker 1: for The Rock's personal brand. So I don't know that

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Speaker 1: you could read too much into it other than that,

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Speaker 1: Other than I guess it's not quite as safe in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood to be affirmatively pro Joe Biden as it was

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Speaker 1: the last time around. I guess that's all you could

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Speaker 1: really read into it.

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Speaker 2: There was also an interesting moment when Rogan interviewed him

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Speaker 2: and he was talking about Biden, and I forget exactly

603
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Speaker 2: what Rogan said, but it was something about, like the

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Speaker 2: people behind Biden and The Rock seem to like laugh

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Speaker 2: and giggle at that like, very clearly he doesn't think

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Speaker 2: that Biden is a strong leader. That was basically all

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Speaker 2: that he had to say. It's not exactly true that

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Speaker 2: he hasn't entered politics before. I mean, I've even said this,

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Speaker 2: he spoke at the two thousand Republican National Convention. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is somebody anyway I could go down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: I think the only thing we can truly assess is

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Speaker 2: that for probably one of America's most popular celebrities not

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Speaker 2: wanting to endorse Biden again.

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Speaker 3: You can frame it however you want.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not endorsing anybody, Okay, but you endorse somebody

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Speaker 2: last time, you're not doing it this time around. Well,

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Speaker 2: that is an indicator of where he thinks his brand

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Speaker 2: is going to be importantly positioned, whereas last time around

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Speaker 2: he didn't think that he would suffer as a result

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Speaker 2: of it, and I've seen some organic pushback against him.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think we could take away from it

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Speaker 2: more than that, only that people who are very astute

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Speaker 2: at seeing where the popular wind is blowing consumer sentiment,

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Speaker 2: People who have hundreds of millions of dollars on the line,

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Speaker 2: they don't think quote unquote supporting Biden is good for

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Speaker 2: business this time around, at least from a popularity perspective,

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Speaker 2: and I would pay attention to that. I think that

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Speaker 2: is probably an important takeaway for what the overall trends

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Speaker 2: is now. I would also say this, right, which is

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Speaker 2: important in something we tied back to yesterday, is that

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Speaker 2: Biden appears to be consolidating a lot of support crystal

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Speaker 2: amongst older voters. So it could be that you and

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Speaker 2: I are having a conversation here about national trends, about

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Speaker 2: young voters, about how the overall actual American population feels,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't translate to the American electorate.

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Speaker 3: Not everybody votes. In fact, most people don't vote.

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Speaker 2: A huge proportion of the voting of the voting eligible

638
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Speaker 2: public simply stays home. So it could be that there's

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Speaker 2: two kind of separate conversations.

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Speaker 3: That are happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, Hollywood famously has their

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Speaker 1: finger on the pulls, so we should really pay attention

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Speaker 1: to which way the breath is blowing there. I think

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Speaker 1: Republicans are so funny when it comes to Hollywood also,

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Speaker 1: because the minute that the Rock or any other Hollywood

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Speaker 1: celebrity is behind affirmatively behind a Democrat. You know, all

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Speaker 1: these Hollywood liberals who cares about they're out at touch,

648
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. The minute one of them even shows

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Speaker 1: like a sliver of interest in their party or their positions.

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Speaker 1: They're falling all over themselves in Oh the Rock.

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Speaker 4: He really knows what he's talking about here.

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Speaker 1: He's got his finger on the pul It is kind

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Speaker 1: of funny to me, but ultimately, I think the whole

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Speaker 1: situation is relatively inconsequential outside of the vibes of It's

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Speaker 1: just not cool in any respect to be a Biden supporter.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's not like Biden really based his

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign last time around on any sort of cool factory.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have that like Obama rock star vibe. It was

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Speaker 1: just like, all right, well, I guess you know, Trump sucks,

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Speaker 1: so this is the guy we got. What are we

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Speaker 1: going to do? That's what he's betting on again. He's

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Speaker 1: got more baggage this time around. People unhappy about the economy,

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Speaker 1: people you know, young people obviously tortured and horrified by

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Speaker 1: his Israel power policy. Progressives as well. He's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of issues here. I don't think the Rock is

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Speaker 1: probably chief among them.

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Speaker 2: Yep, fair enough, All right, let's go on to RFK.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of consternation yesterday. RFK Junior, a

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Speaker 2: New York state staffer for the RFK Junior campaign, was

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Speaker 2: caught on video appearing to say that the RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: campaign really was a front to trying to hurt Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden and to help Donald Trump get elected. And ensuing

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Speaker 2: drama happened with Democrats saying see, we told you so

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Speaker 2: about RFK Junior, and then RFK Junior's own campaign then

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Speaker 2: disavowing her.

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Speaker 3: But here's what she initially had to say.

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Speaker 10: So there's no Biden voters in the house, right No, okay?

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Speaker 10: Good things I guess will change over time because you

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Speaker 10: do have to only pick one candidate at the end

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Speaker 10: of the day. But the Kennedy voter and the Trump

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Speaker 10: voter the enemy mutual enemy is Biden. Since Biden is

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Speaker 10: counting on us with Bobby in the mix, my thought

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Speaker 10: is for the Republicans, see Bobby right now. Now, he's

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Speaker 10: pulling from both sides. Right now, he's actually pulling a

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Speaker 10: little bit more from Biden, which explains why the DNC

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Speaker 10: is kind of ganging up on him. Most of the

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Speaker 10: Northeast is going to go blue. Why wouldn't we put

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Speaker 10: our vote to Bobby and at least get rid of

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Speaker 10: Biden and get those twenty eight electoral votes in New York.

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Speaker 10: The card's a little wrong. It says twenty six electoral votes.

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Speaker 10: Give those twenty eight electoral votes to Bobby rather than

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Speaker 10: to Biden. Who are they going to pick? If it's

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Speaker 10: a Republican Congress, they'll pitch Trump. So we're we're rid

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Speaker 10: of Biden either way. Does everybody follow that?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this got a lot of attention because it

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Speaker 2: was immediately picked up and it was clipped and it

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Speaker 2: was put out there by Democrats. They're like, this is evidence,

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Speaker 2: you know, one hundred percent that the entire RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: campaign is a plant to try and to elect Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: He's a spoiler. That's what everybody had to say.

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Speaker 2: But you and I were discussing this afterwards, before we

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Speaker 2: even get to the polling, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it just seems like RFK Junior has a lot of

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Speaker 2: hanger honors onto his campaign. I mean, it's not exactly

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Speaker 2: the most well oiled machine. At least what we've been

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Speaker 2: able to see so far, and it is clear. I

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Speaker 2: mean it's true too from some of his donors. Some

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Speaker 2: people who support him are trying to do it as

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Speaker 2: a supporter, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that is

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Speaker 2: what he is trying to do, and in fact, there's

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Speaker 2: not actually a lot of evidence to support that.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think, Crystal, So, first of all,

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Speaker 1: the comments are very unfortunate for they fuel be good good.

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Speaker 1: She's so clear, you know, when you listen to it,

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Speaker 1: she's like, all right, none of us are Biden supporters.

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Speaker 1: Can She even suggests that if you want to help Trump,

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Speaker 1: go volunteer and canvas in Pennsylvania. But if you're in

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Speaker 1: New York, you know Trump can't win in New York.

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Speaker 1: So the way to help Trump is to vote for

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior. This lady had a PowerPoint made up, she

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Speaker 1: had literature she was distributing. She's been posting the same

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Speaker 1: stuff on our social media too, by the way, And

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Speaker 1: it's not like this is an inconsequential person. She's the

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Speaker 1: director for the RFK Junior campaign in the state of

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Speaker 1: New York. She's apparently been brought on in particular to

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Speaker 1: try to obtain ballot access in the state of New York.

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Speaker 1: So she's busy trying to collect signatures to get him

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Speaker 1: on the ballot. So that's what she's you know. In

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Speaker 1: addition to this little spiel that she was giving, she

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Speaker 1: even sent out a hashtag that was like hashtag block Biden.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just as overt as you could possibly be.

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Speaker 1: So it's a problem for the RFK Junior people because

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Speaker 1: of course the Democrats are going to seize on this.

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Speaker 1: They've been trying to make the case that RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: is just a spoiler trying to get Trump elected. That's

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Speaker 1: really what he's in the game, that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I can't blame them for seizing

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Speaker 1: on this and saying, see, look, I told you so

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Speaker 1: here she is out, you know, saying the quiet part

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Speaker 1: out loud in the open, and then they can point

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Speaker 1: to whatever previous Trump donors who are now giving to

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior and say case closed, this guy really is

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Speaker 1: just a trojan horse to try to get Trump reelected. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason why I don't actually think that that is

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Speaker 1: the case. I think she's you know, as I said

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Speaker 1: last time we discussed this issue, I don't doubt that

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Speaker 1: there are people affiliated with RFK Junior donors potentially backing

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior who have that logic in mind. But I

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Speaker 1: don't actually think that that's what he personally is up to,

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Speaker 1: because if you were running to try to take votes

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Speaker 1: away from Joe Biden, you would position yourself a lot

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Speaker 1: differently than how he is. Most of the issues he's

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Speaker 1: led with code as right wing. That's why he has

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Speaker 1: a much higher approval rating with Republicans than he does

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Speaker 1: for Democrats. When I look through his Twitter timeline, more

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Speaker 1: of his criticism was lobbed against Joe Biden. Now you

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Speaker 1: might think, oh, see, that proves that he really is

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Speaker 1: against Joe Biden. But actually, if you're trying to win

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Speaker 1: over Joe Biden voters, he'd be a little more friendly

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Speaker 1: towards Joe Biden. You would position yourself more in the

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Speaker 1: anti Trump lane. That would be the way to get

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Speaker 1: more anti Trump people who are disaffected with Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: into your camp. So, if the goal is to be

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Speaker 1: a spoiler to try to get Trump elected, I think

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Speaker 1: he's doing a very poor job of that. Frankly, I

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Speaker 1: still think it's very likely at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: and there are multiple poles by the way that you

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Speaker 1: know that, even at this early stage, bear this out.

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Speaker 1: In spite of his name being Kennedy, the fact that

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Speaker 1: his approval rating is so much higher for Republicans leads

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Speaker 1: me to believe that at best it's a jump ball.

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Speaker 1: And it is also possible that he at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day does take more votes away from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So that's why, even though these comments are very clear

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Speaker 1: and very hard to dispute, I actually do think that

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Speaker 1: this is kind of a one off, you know person.

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Speaker 1: I think she's hired as a consultant, freelancing saying her

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Speaker 1: own thing. Maybe she got approval from the RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: campaign to say, to advocate for him, however she feels fit.

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Speaker 1: I don't doubt that there was that level of like

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Speaker 1: coordination and connectivity here. But I'm not convinced that this

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Speaker 1: is the central goal and mission of the RFK Junior

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Speaker 1: camp because if it was, I believe they would be

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Speaker 1: positioning themselves in a much different way than they actually are.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be attacking Trump and to try and

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Speaker 2: be friendly to buy I mean, and let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen too, just to highlight this,

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Speaker 2: if you take a look at what it looks like

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Speaker 2: for polling whenever you include RFK Junior, it is Trump

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Speaker 2: and Biden who are tied at thirty eight percent with

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Speaker 2: third parties that are mentioned. But I should also note

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Speaker 2: that while Yes, Kennedy may be pulling away some votes

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Speaker 2: from Joe Biden, we are still seeing that Biden has

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Speaker 2: a major problem with people like Jill Stein, other not

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Speaker 2: Sure Cornell West. The third party challengers go far, far

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Speaker 2: beyond just the RFK junior question. And we have seen

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Speaker 2: also some polling where we've seen a reduction from RFKJ

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Speaker 2: or voters that pull away from Trump and can actually

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Speaker 2: limit Trump's cap of vote and make it easier for

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. Let's say, if other more left wing challengers

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Speaker 2: are not there on the ballot, so does it inject

804
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Speaker 2: some chaos in there, absolutely, but that does not necessarily

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Speaker 2: prove what a lot of what she is saying. Let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there too on the screen though, As

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Speaker 2: we said, Democrats, and this is a former Pete buddhaj

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Speaker 2: Edge campaign manager, Liz Smith, Democratic Operative. Her job these

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Speaker 2: days is appeared to go after RFK Junior. She's saying

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior is a spoiler for Trump. He was urged

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Speaker 2: by to run by Trump balies like Steve Biden. He's

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Speaker 2: being propped up by Trump's largest donor. His campaign now

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Speaker 2: caught on tape saying that their top goal is to

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Speaker 2: stop Joe Biden. RFK Junior's campaign had a response to

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Speaker 2: this that we can go and put there up on

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Speaker 2: the screen.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and read Amaryllis Fox. She says.

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Speaker 2: As an independent movement, our supporters, volunteers, and field organizers

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Speaker 2: come from all sides of the political spectrum. Rita Palma

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Speaker 2: was hired a couple of weeks ago as a ballot

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Speaker 2: access consultant responsible for scheduling volunteer shifts during our upcoming

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Speaker 2: signature drive in the Empire State. She has no involvement

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Speaker 2: in or access to electoral strategy nationally or in New York.

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Speaker 2: The video circulating was not taken at a campaign event.

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Speaker 2: She was speaking as a private citizens, and her statements

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Speaker 2: in no way reflect the campaign strategy, the sole aim

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Speaker 2: of which is to win the White House with votes

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Speaker 2: from former Trump and Biden's supporters alike. We're looking into

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Speaker 2: whether any misrepresentations were made and our campaign champion's freedom

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Speaker 2: of speech for all of our supporters. So it really

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Speaker 2: does kind of hit home exactly what you were saying.

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Speaker 2: This is somebody who was hired for ballid Access. Maybe

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Speaker 2: she has a you know, a private, you know, reason

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Speaker 2: for signing on to the ballid access. Good drive for

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior. But you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: so what like, you got to get people to actually

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Speaker 2: come and vote for you. And that's something that these

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Speaker 2: Democratic operatives and even the Trump people who attack RFK Junior,

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Speaker 2: they never quite seem to get there.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day. You should just convince

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Speaker 3: people to vote for you. It's that simple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is really the most important point is

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Speaker 1: you know, instead of having this oh who's thet spoiler

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Speaker 1: for et cetera, et cetera, it's like, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: just you know, if you're a candidate for president, do

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Speaker 1: better win offer an agenda for the American people that

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Speaker 1: actually resonates with them, and you won't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about Bobby Kennedy or Cornell West or Jill Stein or

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Speaker 1: you know whoever the libertarian candidate ends up, which might

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Speaker 1: also be RFK Junior.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, and you'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Just go out and like actually win voters over and

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Speaker 1: you'll be good to go. But yeah, Liz Smiths, actually

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Speaker 1: they've they've realized at the White House they've got a

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Speaker 1: problem with the third party vote. And I think they

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Speaker 1: have an even bigger problem with the third party vote

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Speaker 1: now that Joe Biden is enabling a genocide in the

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Speaker 1: Gaza strip because young voters are typically more open to

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Speaker 1: voting third party to begin with, and now he's got

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Speaker 1: a massive issue with young voters, voters who are just

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Speaker 1: absolutely disgusted with him. Now RFK Junior is just as

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Speaker 1: aggressive on Israel, if not more than Joe Biden. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Cornell West Jill Stein is very likely to

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Speaker 1: have ballot access in many states as Green Party nominee.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've got their act together in that regard.

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Speaker 1: In fact, out of the three candidates, she's the one

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Speaker 1: with the clearest path to being on the most ballots

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Speaker 1: in the most states. So they've affirmatively hired Liz Smith

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Speaker 1: to run their operation of trying to undercut anyone who

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Speaker 1: is running third party and try to shame and cajole

871
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Speaker 1: any voter who's considering voting third party because they realize

872
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: they do have this issue and that pole that we

873
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: put up earlier.

874
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: It actually was kind of a good poll for Joe Biden.

875
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: The top line without the third party candidates had him

876
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: leading Trump by three. I believe that's either inside the

877
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: margin of error or just outside of it. But it

878
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: was actually the best result for Joe Biden in that

879
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: poll in quite a while. So it was a good

880
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: poll for him. But then when you add in all

881
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: of the third party candidates, then you know Trump then

882
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: is basically tied with him or has the narrow edge.

883
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: So it is a big problem for Joe Biden. I'm

884
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: not sure that RFK Junior himself is going to be

885
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: a negative factor for Biden, but there there's a lot

886
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: of jockeying with the Biden campaign and with the Trump

887
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: campaign to try to persuade voters like, no, he's really

888
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: a liberal, No, he's really a right wing and I

889
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: think some of the supporters of RFK Junior ranging the

890
00:44:54,280 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: political spectrum reflects the confusion around what his true political identity.

891
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Let's move on now to the sclerotic US economy, and

892
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: there is a major flashing red sign as to how

893
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: and what people are doing to make a lot of money.

894
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: It's actually a pretty good indicator of what our society rewards.

895
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen,

896
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: and it turns out that none of the Forbes billionaires

897
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: who are under the age of thirty are self made

898
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: for the very first time in fifteen years. So since

899
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, there has always been a member

900
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: of the under thirty Forbes billionaires who actually generated their

901
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: massive wealth on their own by starting their own company.

902
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: The statistic is due to many of the past self

903
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: made billionaires aging into their thirties, but they are not

904
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: being replaced by others in a similar financial situation, and

905
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: in fact, hefty inheritances are now starting what is the

906
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: Outlet is calling the long anticipated generational wealth transfer. The

907
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: world's youngest billionaire is in nineteen year old in Brazil

908
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: college student with a net worth of one point one billion,

909
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: who has a minority steak in her late grandfather's electrical

910
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: equipment company, accompanied by her older sister who also holds

911
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: a minority steak, accompanied by a pair of twenty somethings

912
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: from Ireland who have a networth of about five billion

913
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: each same thing family money. You've got the sons of

914
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: former Tata Group founders as well, same thing, inheriting their

915
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: I think their grandfather maybe great grandfathers minority steak in

916
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: their company.

917
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: I think the list can go on and on.

918
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: In every single case, every billionaire who is under the

919
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: age of thirty has inherited wealth. On top of that,

920
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: if you actually take a look at the overall list,

921
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: it is striking to me that the world's richest man

922
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: is no longer a Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, who

923
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: say what you want, they actually started their own companies.

924
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: It is LVMH, the head of LVMH, the guy who

925
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: sells luxury goods like Louis Vuitton and others, basically selling

926
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: it to middle class folks in order to flash wealth around.

927
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: That is now the most valuable and richest person on earth.

928
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: So the reason we wanted to spend some time on this,

929
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: I think crystal is this is the sign of a

930
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: sclerotic economy. Many of the previous self made billionaires in

931
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: their twenties and others in the twenty tens, where people

932
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: like Mark Zuckerberg or Jack Dorsey or the other tech founders.

933
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: You may criticize those companies and the creation now, but

934
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: at that time it was genuinely entrepreneurial and it was

935
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: adding a lot, at least in GDP wise to the

936
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: US economy. But we don't even have that anymore for

937
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: the very first time now. And it's not just here,

938
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: it's all across the globe because America is the leader now.

939
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: It's even if you look at the new entrance to

940
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: the Forbes list, it's all private equity guys, financialization and

941
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: hedge fund traders. Those people would disappear tomorrow and not

942
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: a single one of us would know in terms of

943
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: the economy. Not the same with Amazon, not the same

944
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: with Tesla. But that's what's actually being rewarded right now.

945
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true.

946
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: And I do think it's noteworthy that most of these

947
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: young billionaires they're not even inheriting the money from their parents,

948
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: they're inheriting from their grandparents. Like so it shows you

949
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: that this trend has been we've been headed in this

950
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: direction for quite a while.

951
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: And you know, it ties in.

952
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: With also some of the corporate failures that we see,

953
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: like it Boeing, where even within a large established corporation,

954
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: it's not innovation that's rewarded by the market. It is financialization,

955
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: it's cutting costs, it's union busting, it's you know, pretending

956
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: like you're a Wall Street stock trader instead of a

957
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: company making planes. It's putting Nikki Haley on your corporate

958
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: board and all of the you know, the direction that

959
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: that entails. That's the reality of our economy now. And

960
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: so many of the quote unquote best and bright is

961
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, the people who have abnormal skills in terms

962
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: of science and math, et cetera. So many of them

963
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: decided that the way that they could make it big

964
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: was go to Wall Street and become you know, glorified gamblers.

965
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: And even at the corporate level, it's not like corporations

966
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: have really been competing to.

967
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 4: Offer the best product.

968
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: They've been competing to gain the system and generate anti

969
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: competitive advantages. You know, that is one thing the Bide

970
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: administration is doing that I support, is trying to roll

971
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: some of that back and force a more actually competitive

972
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: marketplace versus what CEOs now are rewarded for is how

973
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: can I rig the market? How can it create a

974
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: monopoly so that workers and consumers have no choice? You know,

975
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: that's reflected in the fact that you have very little

976
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: innovation across the economy.

977
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 4: That's just not the thing that's rewarded.

978
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that is very reflective here,

979
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: especially in American context, But as you said, Sager, and

980
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, for better or worse, America really sets the

981
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: stage for the rules of the game economically around the world.

982
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: You've had now years of very low taxation rates and

983
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: especially these gigantic loopholes where you can pass these large

984
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: fortunes from generation to generation with very little in the

985
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: way of taxes being paid back into the societies that

986
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: you come from, especially in an American context, and so

987
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: you build these massive pots of generational wealth that get

988
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: hoarded and you know, very little shared with the rest

989
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: of society. So we've got this massive, almost unparalleled, historically

990
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: historically inequality, levels of inequality, and you know, this is

991
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: some of the sclerotic, ossified results that you end up

992
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: getting at the end of the day.

993
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very it's very bad.

994
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: And it's one of those where if we are having

995
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: i mean, look it's a lead again, it's who is

996
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: getting rewarded. Like if you're a very ambitious person and

997
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: you're going to college and you're looking out there. Uh

998
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: pre A lot of people were inspired in the twenty tens.

999
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm going to go start my own company. Well,

1000
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: if you're looking at this and nobody's even getting rich

1001
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: starting their own companies.

1002
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: You're like, well, should I do that?

1003
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: Or should just go work at a safe job where

1004
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: I can work from home make a relatively upper middle

1005
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: class salary.

1006
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: That's not really something that you want to reward.

1007
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: Or worse, you're like, well, if the only way to

1008
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 2: become a billionaire is to go work on Wall Street,

1009
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: so be it. That's just the way things are right now,

1010
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: let's put this up there on the screen. This is

1011
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: similar to the conversation here. Business Insider writing quote millennials

1012
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: in gen Z's trendy new splurge is groceries. They say

1013
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: that younger generations are now spending more on groceries than

1014
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: other categories, according to a McKinsey report, and according I mean, look,

1015
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: I would take what McKenzie says with a grain of salt,

1016
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: but here, at the very least, what they are saying

1017
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: is that the increase in grocery prices that are we've

1018
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: seen with inflation are being disproportionately felt then by people

1019
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: who are in the lower end of the income spectrum

1020
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: and not at the height of their earning potential, and

1021
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: that they are having to spend more on groceries simply

1022
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: in order to maintain like a medium.

1023
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: Quality of life.

1024
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: You can take it the other way I've seen previously.

1025
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: People will be like, oh, well, this is like the

1026
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: new avocado toast. Criticism of the millennials are like, oh,

1027
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: there's spending fourteen dollars. It's like, oh, they're spending too

1028
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: much money on groceries. But if you think about it,

1029
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 2: you know this is something. Spending more on groceries actually

1030
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: indicates that you're eating out much less, which is already

1031
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: a significant behavioral change from where things were previously. So

1032
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 2: it's like, if you spend money on going to brunch

1033
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: here to being criticized. Now, if you spend money buying food,

1034
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: maybe even marginally better food than you previously would have done,

1035
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: to still try and save money from eating out and

1036
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: to have some enjoyment in your life, you're also being

1037
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: criticized here.

1038
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1039
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: I love the way that they are framing this as

1040
00:52:54,080 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: some sort of like decadence that you're eating how dare

1041
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: you spend money on groceries? It's to your point. Yeah,

1042
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: that's the advice anytime there's like a financial call, how

1043
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: do I save money?

1044
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: Et cetera.

1045
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: So one of the first things they say is stop

1046
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: eating out, eat at home, and then they do that,

1047
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: and then they're.

1048
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 4: Criticized for that as well.

1049
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: Not to mention, you know, the bottom line here is

1050
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: that millennials and Gen Z have been able to build

1051
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: much less wealth than the boomers, so they've been hit

1052
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: much harder by inflation. You know, it's still the case

1053
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: that your groceries, the same basket of groceries cost four

1054
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five dollars more a month to purchase

1055
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: versus a year ago. So even as we have this conversation, oh,

1056
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: inflation is coming down, it's not as bad as usual. Well,

1057
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: the prices are still really high, and none of these

1058
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: corporations are going to bring them down on their own,

1059
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: because why would they. They're making record break and profits.

1060
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think it's it's amazing the ways

1061
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: that news organizations find to smear people or you know,

1062
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: even indulging in like the most basic of luxuries, oh,

1063
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: an extra snack item at Trader Joe's is one of

1064
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: the things that they mentioned in this article, and now

1065
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: you're being basically smared for that. And at the same time,

1066
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: you can trast that with these billionaire millennials and zoomers

1067
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: who inherited it all from mommy and daddy, and you

1068
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: see the massive gulf that has emerged between you know,

1069
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: people who did absolutely nothing to quote unquote earn their

1070
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: station in life, will never have to worry about money,

1071
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: will pass their billions down to their kids and their grandkids.

1072
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: And the zoomers and millennials who didn't have mommy and

1073
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: Daddy's bank account backing them, and the way that they

1074
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: have really struggled to be able to get a foothold

1075
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: and just to be able to make it on a

1076
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: basic level.

1077
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can also see how the grocery thing

1078
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: is actually fitting into an overall trend of reduction in lifestyle.

1079
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

1080
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: This is from a new report from redfin showing what

1081
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: renters and homeowners are skipping essentials like meals in medicata

1082
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: care to try and keep a roof over their head.

1083
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: So they say, the top sacrifices that people have made

1084
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: recently in order to afford housing. Keep in mind this

1085
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: is not just people who are homeowners, but this also

1086
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: includes renters where we've seen a major spike in rental prices.

1087
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: They say took no or fewer vacations. You've got thirty

1088
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: four percent of people who are saying that skipped meals

1089
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: is twenty two percent worked, additional hours, shifts at my

1090
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: job is twenty percent, sold, My belongings is twenty Borrowed

1091
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: money from friends or family that I will pay back

1092
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: eighteen percent, dipped into retirement savings eighteen percent, delayed or

1093
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: skipped healthcare and medical treatments fifteen percent worked. An extra

1094
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 2: job is fifteen worked a side hustle like food delivery

1095
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: fourteen percent, and receive money from friends or family that

1096
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: is not expected to be paid back is fourteen percent.

1097
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: So overall, across the board, you're seeing a reduction in lifestyle,

1098
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: skipping meals, having to work additional hours. Now, I have

1099
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: no problem with some of these things if it is

1100
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: to save up for something which is a luxury, or

1101
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: to upgrade your lifestyle. But them here is that this

1102
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: is just retention of lifestyle. It's to live exactly the

1103
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: same life, So you have to live the exact same

1104
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: life that you were living four or five years ago,

1105
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: but you actually have to give up a lot of

1106
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: things to just maintain that. That's not the way that

1107
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: things were supposed to go on an upward trajectory. You're

1108
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: working a side hustle so that you can move into

1109
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: a bigger house. Cool, I think that's awesome. But having

1110
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: to work a side hustle or something like that so

1111
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: you continue to make rent in the same place that

1112
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: you've been living for five to ten years with no

1113
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: hope of being able to buy a house. That's a

1114
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: very very different story. And that's actually what comes across

1115
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: to me in some of this data.

1116
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, housing is so key is such a central part

1117
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: of this story too, because really the top line from

1118
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: this piece is that they found that half of renters

1119
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: and homeowners are struggling to afford their monthly housing payments.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's.

1121
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: Insane just to have a roof over your head, and

1122
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: not like any sort of luxurious fashion, but just a

1123
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: roof over your head. People are having to skip meals.

1124
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: People who are working full time on all the things right,

1125
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: and by the way, you know, if they went to

1126
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: college and did that thing that they were told to do.

1127
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: They've also got these giant debt payments hanging over them

1128
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: from the jump when they start their careers. And then,

1129
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: to add insult to injury, they got to be smeared

1130
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: when they quote unquote splurge on the trendy new thing

1131
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: buying groceries. So, you know, we've said this a lot

1132
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: of time. We've got another story here about housing that

1133
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: is really important. But this is such a central determinant

1134
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: over whether or not people have sort of a basic, stable,

1135
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: not even luxury, but just stable lifestyle, able to eat

1136
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: meals on a regular basis, able to, oh my god,

1137
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: actually maybe go on a vacation once a year.

1138
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: Imagine that.

1139
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: And the fact that housing is so extraordinarily high in

1140
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: so many places with no signs of abating, has really

1141
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: stolen those sorts of you know, simple splourage is simple luxuries,

1142
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: basic living standards from entire generations.

1143
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 4: At this point, there.

1144
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: Has been some significant change in the investors moving into

1145
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: the real estate market. We'll go ahead and skip ahead,

1146
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: guys to the second part here. We'll put the Bloomberg

1147
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: tear sheet up, please, which is C five. We are

1148
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: seeing Blackstone. This is a deal just announced yesterday, which

1149
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: is part of the reason I really wanted to make

1150
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: sure that we got this is at Blackstone, the major

1151
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: investment group is now signing a ten billion dollars deal.

1152
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: Quote is the latest bet that property is near lows.

1153
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: The firm will acquire the real estate owner apartment income rate.

1154
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: They're planning now to invest four hundred million dollars into

1155
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: the portfolio. So the reason that it matters is that

1156
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: we're seeing continually gobbling up more and more shares by

1157
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: institutional capital into apartment into real estate and basically into

1158
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: the housing market. This is increasing now to a point

1159
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: where what we are seeing is that this bet that

1160
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 2: single family landlords and others can be rolled up to

1161
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: create consistent rental income that is coming to you. They

1162
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: can try and reduce the services. It's a basic economy

1163
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: of scale argument. But the reason it matters is that

1164
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: this is one of the largest real estate managers in

1165
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: the entire US that wants to continue to invest in

1166
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: property and to roll up said income. And it actually

1167
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: comes at the exact same time that we have seen

1168
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: the apartment landlord air that they now acquired, that there's

1169
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: been more investors than ever that are moving into the market.

1170
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: So we actually have some interesting Redfin data that came

1171
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: out just last month. It shows that investors bought some

1172
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: twenty six percent of the country's most affordable homes in

1173
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. That is the highest share on record.

1174
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: They say that elevated home prices and mortgage rates, which

1175
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: sluggish rents have made low price is increasingly attractive now

1176
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: to investors. Investors bought eighteen percent of all homes that's

1177
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: sold in the fourth quarter, slightly up from a year before.

1178
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: Overall investor home purchase had dropped a bit from the

1179
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: year earlier, but still maintain the highest share than ever

1180
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: before on record. And especially it is in Florida in

1181
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: California that investors are hungry from homes and are still

1182
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: just not able to find properties to purchase from an

1183
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: increase housing shortage. So you've got the shortage, you've got

1184
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: the highest number of shares on record. Some of these

1185
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 2: may be small time investors. I don't necessarily think is

1186
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 2: a problem with that, but whenever you reach the ten

1187
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: billion dollar level, then I think we're looking at a

1188
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: very significant problem. And now we're looking at a point

1189
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: where if you're renting in this country in the future,

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: especially in a big city, there's a good chance that

1191
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: your landlord is a large.

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: Private equity organization and you may not even know it.

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01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: That's right, and they're making it more difficult for people

1194
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: to get their first foot on that ladder of home ownership,

1195
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: which is really a central dividing line in American society

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01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: between haves and have nots. Are you a homeowner, are

1197
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: you able to build that basic wealth for yourself and

1198
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: for your family moving forward or not? And so buying

1199
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: somewhat fewer homes because there are less homes to buy,

1200
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: but as you pointed out, as a share of all

1201
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: of the homes that are being purchased, their share continues

1202
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: to go up, and it makes sense from a capitalist perspective.

1203
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why people are struggling to be

1204
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: able to afford a home right now, in addition to

1205
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: the astronomical prices themselves, is, of course mortgage rates are

1206
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: up from where they were previously. That doesn't impact these

1207
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: large institutional investors as much because they're buying large not

1208
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: getting mortgages. They're coming in with all cash now. The

1209
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: interest rates still affect them.

1210
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 4: In other ways.

1211
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: They take out loans for other things, potentially the costs

1212
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: of flip in the house, et cetera. So it impacts

1213
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: them some, but they're at a massive advantage because they

1214
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: can pay all cash and not have to worry about

1215
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: the cost of those high mortgage interest rates. So it's

1216
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: a huge disadvantage for just regular people who are trying

1217
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: to buy a house, and really will will be one

1218
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: of the most consequential developments you can imagine in terms of,

1219
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, the how the economy shapes up moving forward.

1220
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: We've also covered here the way that these companies increasingly

1221
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: use algorithms to basically rig the market and the facto

1222
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: and this is, you know, the legal allegation actually is

1223
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: that they're de facto colluding with each other to artificially

1224
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: lift rent prices in a lot of markets across the country.

1225
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: And there's also a lot of documentation about how these

1226
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: large landlords, I mean, they're impersonal, they're anonymous, they never

1227
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: have to look you in the face. They have to

1228
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: look you in the eye when they're kicking you and

1229
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: your kids out your apartment, or when they're jacking up

1230
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: the rent to make it so that you're having to

1231
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: skip meals and you know, can never even imagine going

1232
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: out to eat or going on a vacation. They don't

1233
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: have to look you in the eye when they're doing that,

1234
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: so they're perfectly happy to squeeze you for absolutely everything

1235
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: you're worth, to delay maintenance to basically you know, in

1236
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: some instances, as documented, actually have your living conditions be

1237
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: unsafe if they can possibly get away with it. So

1238
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: it really is a nightmare scenario in a lot of ways.

1239
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: One of the things that we were talking about yesterday

1240
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: is how this divide between the housing halves, the how

1241
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: ownership in terms of ownership the haves versus the have nots,

1242
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: may also be driving some of the political voting behavior

1243
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: that we're seeing that's otherwise head scratching. So why is

1244
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: it that older voters, at least according to some polls,

1245
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: and let's take it all with a grain of salt,

1246
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: but some older voters seem to be more favorable towards

1247
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, whereas younger voters, who have been moving left

1248
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: and voting more and more democratic in the modern era,

1249
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: have been moving away from him. You'd be hard pressed

1250
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: to find a story that doesn't fit better than this

1251
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: story of housing haves and have nots. Younger voters by

1252
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: and large haven't been able to purchase homes. They're struggling,

1253
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: and the economy has made it very difficult for them.

1254
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: If you're a boomer and you have your home or

1255
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: your silent gen and you have your home and you're

1256
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: building all this wealth, and you've seen your housing price,

1257
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: do nothing, go up and up and up and increase

1258
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: your wealth. You don't care that market interest rates are high.

1259
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: You're doing just fine. This economy is actually working pretty

1260
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: well for you. So that could actually be a really

1261
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: key political dynamic that's largely ignored that's playing out right

1262
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: now in this election before our eyes.

1263
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: I definitely think you're right. And it's interesting too.

1264
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: I was just noting from one of my notes I

1265
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: forgot to mention, is that this Blackstone deal is just

1266
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: a continued acceleration. They had just done a three point

1267
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: five billion dollar deal to take a company called Tricon private,

1268
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: which has some thirty one thousand single family residents across

1269
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: the US and Canada. Now this adds thousands of more apartments.

1270
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: So when we consider the have nots and others, the

1271
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: entrance of all of this in we've got to find

1272
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: some sort of regulatory solution we've highlighted here previously. There

1273
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: are some state local efforts actually to try and to

1274
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: keep large institutional capital outside of the real estate market

1275
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: and not allow them either to own large segments of

1276
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: single family house or to not allow them to at

1277
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: least be the first bidder. But we haven't seen anything

1278
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: be taken up like that on the national level. I

1279
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 2: think whoever is willing to do it, if you can

1280
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: get housing prices in this country or at very least

1281
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: rental income and all that down in this country, or

1282
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: even stable, I think some people would be happy with that.

1283
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: That person would have a political winner on their hands.

1284
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: But it's just not in our lexicon right now. Luckily,

1285
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: some states are doing it.

1286
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a little bit of a conversation happening

1287
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: in Congress, but it doesn't seem to have nearly the

1288
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: national momentum that it does because, let's be honest, there

1289
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of powerful, wealthy interests that are rayed

1290
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: against it, and that's always going to make it difficult

1291
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: to be able to get something through the Congress. Let's

1292
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: go on move to another business story that is kind

1293
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: of funny, to be honest with you pit this up

1294
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: on the screen.

1295
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 4: So you may.

1296
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 1: Recall that Amazon rolled down with great fanfare these quote

1297
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: unquote just walk out grocery stores where you go in

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Speaker 1: you just put the stuff in your car. They allegedly

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Speaker 1: had this high tech that was scanning things as you're

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01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: replacing them in your car. You walk out, it charges

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: your card, you get your receipt, you're done.

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Speaker 4: You don't even have to go through a checkout line.

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Speaker 1: Well, they just announced that they're killing this just walkout tech,

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01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: and the reason is because it never actually really worked

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01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: in reality, This you know, sophisticated AI et cetera, et cetera,

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: was really powered by somewhere around one thousand human beings

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: who were watching and checking what you were putting in

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: your basket and making sure that you were getting charged

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: for the right things, who were based in India. So

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: shoppers were reporting, you can come back up on me.

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01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: At this point, shoppers were reporting that they weren't getting

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: their receipts for hours and hours, and like, what is

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01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: going on here? Now? Listen, it's always in any sort

1314
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: of AI model you have to use human beings at

1315
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: the beginning to help the system learn. But apparently the

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01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: tech was so clunky. It really wasn't learning. They were

1317
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: continuing to have to rely on human beings surveilling you

1318
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: as you shop and having all sorts of problems with

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: the design of the store and having to make sure

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: everything is precisely in place or else it didn't really

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01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: work out. I bet there was a high mistake rate

1322
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: as well, if you're having to rely on these sort

1323
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: of like you know, tech cluges and human being reviewers

1324
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: in order to make this work. So ultimately, the idea

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01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: of this just walkout technology was basically a fantasy and

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01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: a fairy tale. And I think it kind of tied

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01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: in with what we were talking about earlier how all

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: of these companies have moved more towards you know, financialization

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01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: than actual innovation because apparently they didn't have the chops

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Speaker 1: to get this thing to work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is actually hilarious because there was one here

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01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: in d C. And I actually went to one, and

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 2: the entire experience it was exactly as you said. I

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: didn't get the receipt for a long time, and I

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01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 2: just wanted to try it and I'll just see how

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 2: it was. The whole thing actually felt very creepy, and

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm very glad that the technology was not nearly as

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: dystopian as they made it out to be.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't AI.

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01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of guys in India and

1341
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: Bangladesh reviewing footage then ringing it up, and like you said,

1342
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: there's a huge amount of human error that can then

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: result in it. The funny thing is, too, now that

1344
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: they are closing, they have blockbuster deals if you have,

1345
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 2: by the way, been able to take advantage of this.

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01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 3: For example, they're selling.

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01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: Like olive oil, like a leader of olive oil right

1348
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: now in DC for like two dollars, So people are

1349
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: just going through and stocking up taking advantage.

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01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: So if you have one in your area, I highly

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: recommend they take it.

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Speaker 4: Knowledge of that, guys, this is the place.

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01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: It's an expensive place. It's expensive.

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Speaker 2: I think people were getting roused sauce as well, but

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Speaker 2: this does highlight I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not really a fan of that.

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01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 3: But anyway, godhead, I've never even had it. Apparently it's expensive. Okay,

1358
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 3: that's apparently what I've been told. This is when our

1359
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: producer found which is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen where you

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Speaker 2: have a cashier at a I think it's a coffee

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01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: shop there that is zooming into New York City to

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01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,440
Speaker 2: help you with your transaction from the Philippines.

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Speaker 3: And apparently though, this is not.

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Speaker 2: The first time that this type of technology has been debuted,

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of various self service type places

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01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: where if you do need a little bit of a

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01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,839
Speaker 2: human help, you can have somebody zoom on the screen

1369
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: there that actually can help you ring them up. They

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: have some security features and others where they can help

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Speaker 2: open the door for you and all that. But you

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: can pay them only five to six dollars per hour

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: to operate like that. So why wouldn't you try and

1374
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: take advantage of your you know, in one of these

1375
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 2: types of businesses as opposed to paying a actual human

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: being that is there. Now, look, I still think it's

1377
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: creepy and it won't necessarily take off, but if enough

1378
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: people do it, and if they could refine the tech

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,440
Speaker 2: into some sort of I don't know, like a hologram

1380
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: or a bigger screen or something. Maybe they need a

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: screen as big as hours that's over here, they could

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Speaker 2: make it work.

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Speaker 3: It is just clear though.

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: That things you know, we're promised AI and all this

1385
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: awesome future of the Jetsons.

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01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 3: It's just a lot more dystopian than that.

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01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's being used to make life shittier, not better,

1388
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: by and large, you know, with exceptions. Soccer likes his

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01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: Apple Vision pro thing, right, that's tease for future. We

1390
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: got a little update on that for you guys. But

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Speaker 1: the company, according to the gentleman who tweeted this ount,

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01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,879
Speaker 1: who has a substack by the way, is called Happy Cashier.

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01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: It's apparently operating in five different Asian fast food places

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: in New York City. And so, yeah, when you're doing

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: yourself checkout situation, which of course now has become totally

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01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: commonplace in all sorts of different restaurants, CVS, gircure.

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Speaker 4: Store, whatever.

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: If you're doing that you have trouble, I guess that's

1399
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: when you get the call in, the zoom call in

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01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: from the Philippines to assist you with your transaction. It's

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,839
Speaker 1: not only any different than we've all become very accustomed

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: to the fact that call centers are so many of

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: them are outsourced that when you're talking to someone trying

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01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: to solve whatever problem you have on the phone, these

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01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: people are likely dialing in from another location. But it

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: does show you that, you know, the idea that service

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01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: sector work would be immune from certainly from technology, we

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: already know that is not the case, but from offshoring

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: is obviously not true as well, because hey, why not

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: why pay an American worker, you know, higher minimum wage

1411
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: and have to deal with labor standards when you can

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: get someone who's less expensive overseas and you know, who

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: really cares about labor standards From the company's perspective, who

1414
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: really cares about customer experience? If all of my competitors

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: are going to do the same thing, you're not really

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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,879
Speaker 1: going to have any choice anyway.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, this ties in with something that is unfolding in California,

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01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: which we covered previously. You guys might recall they have

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Speaker 1: established a fast food industry Council in California that uses

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: something called sectoral bargaining to basically set standards throughout that

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: industry or workers in terms of safety, in terms of wages,

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: in terms of hours, kind of every aspect of the

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: working environment. This is similar to a model that's used

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01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: more commonly in other countries, where it's almost in lieu

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01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: of it's in lieu of shop by shop unions. You

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01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 1: set one single standard for the entire industry. Then everybody's

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 1: competing on the same level. You have representatives of business

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: and workers who are on the council, and so they

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 1: come to some support of agreement. Okay, so that's the backstory.

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: So California, as part of this Workers Council, they establish

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Speaker 1: a twenty dollars per hour minimum wage for fast food workers.

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Speaker 1: And this is not your little mom and pop small businesses.

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,879
Speaker 1: These are large chains that have been doing quite well,

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01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: that have record breaking profits in many instances where you

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01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: know they can theoretically afford this level of labor cost.

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: So this came up as a conversation on the PbD

1438
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: podcast with guest Jesse Waters making some interesting comments about

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: what he thinks McDonald workers should earn.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 11: See if you can do this in your head, you

1442
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 11: probably can. If you're making twenty dollars an hour to

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 11: work at a fast food restaurant, right, is that is

1444
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 11: that six figures?

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01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 3: Are you making? Fifty is just to exit a few zeros? Okay?

1446
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 3: So forty k years?

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 11: Okay, well forty k years so and then if your

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01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 11: husband or wife is also there, you're making one hundred

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 11: thousand dollars as a family. Sure, both working at McDonald's

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 11: eighty g That is okay, that's crazy. That is crazy

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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 11: because that job really doesn't require much. So it's inflating

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 11: the entire you know, uh, labor sector and the happy

1453
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 11: meal and the happy meal unhappy, which I'm very unhappy about.

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 11: But I believe Gavin Newsom will be president one day.

1455
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 11: The man is smooth. He's already currying up to the

1456
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 11: Republican side. You saw him go on Hannity. He dive

1457
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 11: bombed a couple of Fox News events.

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01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 4: He's savvy, so a lot there soccer.

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 1: But first of all, the attempted math where he thinks,

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: first of all, that twenty dollars hour is gonna night

1461
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: you six figures. That's his first initial reaction was like, dude, what?

1462
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: And then then you try living on forty thousand dollars

1463
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: in La Jesse waters and tell me how that goes?

1464
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: Even eight thousand dollars. You got kids, a whole family,

1465
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: You tell me how easy that is to do. And

1466
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: then for someone whose whole job is like us to

1467
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: sit on their asses in front of a microphone to

1468
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: be saying that McDonald's workers it doesn't require much for

1469
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: them to do this job. It's just complete nonsense. They're

1470
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: adding way more tangible value and doing a lot more

1471
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: difficult work in this economy than you are. So for

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: him to sell, it's crazy for them to earn forty

1473
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: K a year for working full time and still at

1474
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: forty K a year, I guarantee you're gonna be rent burden.

1475
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: I guarantee you're gonna struggling to make ends meet. It's

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01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: just what a bubble, What a bubble you are living in.

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: So I've got some math here in front of me. Jesse,

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 3: do this one.

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: In my head, it was a little bit easier, So

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: twenty dollars per hour. I'm going to assume this is

1481
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: a single filer in the state of California, forty one thousand,

1482
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: six hundred dollars working forty hours per week. After tax,

1483
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 2: you are netting thirty four thousand, three hundred and fifty dollars,

1484
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: which means that your monthly take home pay is two thousand,

1485
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: eight hundred and thirty three bucks. The average rent fair

1486
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: market rent for a residential rental property in California today

1487
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: as of twenty twenty four, is two thousand, three hundred and.

1488
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: Forty five dollars.

1489
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: So if we take twenty eight hundred and we minus

1490
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: it by twenty three forty five, you have approximately three

1491
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 2: to four hundred bucks that is left over to pay

1492
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: for health insurance presumably that's not included here, to pay

1493
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: for gas because you're living in the state of California,

1494
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 2: we're talking about five six dollars a gallon depending on that,

1495
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: and you're driving a lot, you have to pay for internet,

1496
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: phone bill.

1497
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 3: Do you have a single dollar left over at the

1498
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 3: end of the month.

1499
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: If you're living on thirty four k a year take home,

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01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 2: you're a single guy who is and you're working here

1501
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: at McDonald's, you are barely able to survive, and most

1502
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 2: likely statistically you're going to be significantly in debt, credit

1503
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: card debt specifically. So what do we learn from that

1504
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 2: that's actually not a quote unquote livable wage. I completely

1505
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: understand here by the way, people who have concerns around

1506
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: minimum wage inflation and all of that, But what they

1507
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: ignore in the state of California is that we're talking

1508
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 2: here one about the sectoral bargaining that was put in

1509
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: place by the workers to achieve this, But two is

1510
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: that we already have an incredibly high rental market standard

1511
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: of living in others at a baseline level, which makes

1512
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 2: it where the past minimum wage was not even close

1513
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 2: to being able to get you there.

1514
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: So, if you put it in the context that I just.

1515
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: Gave you, you can't help but take away that if you

1516
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 2: were working in one of these jobs that it's almost,

1517
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 2: i would say, basically impossible to quote unquote survive thirty

1518
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars a year. You'd have to work a

1519
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 2: shitload of overtime, or you're going to have to do

1520
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: uber uber eats or something like that in order to

1521
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,560
Speaker 2: supplement your income, and you are still not making a

1522
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: lot of money. To keep this in mind, people are

1523
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: doing uber eats and all this other stuff, are taking

1524
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 2: a ton of depreciation on their cars. I think they

1525
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: have to pay extra fees. Could they have higher car

1526
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 2: insurance rates. There's a lot of phantom costs that come

1527
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: into any of these quote unquote side hustles too, So

1528
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: I would just again illustrate that it's not even close

1529
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 2: to six figures. Even as he is talking about if

1530
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: you have two people who work at McDonald's forty dollars

1531
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 2: an hour, that's going to be eighty three thousand dollars

1532
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: a year take home pay after tax. That is roughly

1533
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 2: the national average for a household here in the US,

1534
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 2: but national average in California.

1535
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: That's not going to cut it.

1536
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: You need to be making one hundred and twenty thousand

1537
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: dollars to be living a seventy thousand dollars life on

1538
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: a national average in the state of California. So you're

1539
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: mostly below actually where you need to be.

1540
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and God forbid, you have kids, right, and are

1541
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, afford that. I imagine on a

1542
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: single salary, trying to be a single mom and on

1543
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: twenty bucks an hour in California. Forget about it. I

1544
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: just can't take the classism of this. You know, Oh,

1545
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: they don't they don't work hard. There's not much involved here.

1546
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: Have you ever worked a fast food job. This was

1547
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: not an easy job. It's actually a very demanding job.

1548
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: And so this condescending notion that you know, Jesse Waters

1549
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: is working so much hard, contributing so.

1550
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 4: Much more than I'm a McDonald's worker.

1551
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: I just find that whole worldview to be so grotesque.

1552
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: I you know, maybe I'm old fashioned. I think if

1553
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: you are an adult, work in full time. You should

1554
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: be able to afford to live, to have an apartment

1555
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: and eat three meals a day. That's just me. I

1556
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: think that's where we should be. So the reality is

1557
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: twenty dollars an hour and many places in California still

1558
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: doesn't get you there.

1559
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 4: But at least it's an improvement. We can put this

1560
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 4: up on the screen.

1561
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: Some more details from the LA Times about what was

1562
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: passed in California. I sort of already went through this,

1563
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: but it says you're to California is new twenty dollars

1564
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: now a minimum wage for fast food workers. The pay

1565
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: increase was established by Assembly Bill twelve twenty eight. It

1566
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: applies to California and fast food workers employed by any

1567
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: chain with more than sixty locations nationwide.

1568
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 4: Covers corporate owned and franchise location.

1569
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: The state has more than four five hundred and forty

1570
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: thousand fast food workers, about one hundred and ninety five

1571
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: thousand of them in LA and Orange County, according to

1572
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two figures. By the way, the previous minimum

1573
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: wage was sixteen dollars an hour, so they're getting a

1574
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:34,480
Speaker 1: four dollars increase, which you know, I'm sure is significant

1575
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, but is probably not going

1576
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: to be life changing. Like I said, they probably need

1577
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: a significantly higher wage increase to actually be able to

1578
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: live in LA and in San Francisco and other parts

1579
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: of the state of California. And then the last thing

1580
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: that I pulled Sager is I looked up McDonald's annual

1581
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: grost profit to see, you know, whether or not they

1582
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: could weather this storm of the increased wage costs, which,

1583
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: again I want to remind you this wasn't set by

1584
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 1: the workers themselves. This was set through a council and

1585
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: through a negotiated process that included these businesses. By the way,

1586
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: but McDonald's annual gross profit for twenty twenty three was

1587
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: fourteen point five to six billion.

1588
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 4: That was a ten percent increase over the year before.

1589
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two's profit was a five percent increase from

1590
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: the year before. Twenty twenty one's profit was a twenty

1591
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,560
Speaker 1: nine percent increase from the year before. So if you

1592
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: look at the trend, McDonald's is doing okay. They're workers

1593
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: not so much so, God bless them. I hope that

1594
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: this helps make life a little bit easier for them

1595
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: as they're working hard in there.

1596
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 2: Well, and let's not forget about the Panera bread bread

1597
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: exception that we are previously, which.

1598
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 4: Is that's a real outrage.

1599
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so to remind you, there was a specific carve ount.

1600
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: Turns out Newsom as buddies with the big Panera franchise

1601
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: holder in the state of California, and so they made

1602
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: this specific car ount in the legislation where if you

1603
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,839
Speaker 1: have a bakery involved in your fast enterprise for some reason,

1604
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: undefined reason, this doesn't count for you. So Panera gets this,

1605
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, just total corporate carve ound. That's the real

1606
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: outrage here, not that any of those workers aren't making

1607
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: more money. It's that the Panera workers are getting screwed.

1608
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: Well, actually, Crystal Pair, I just checked just to make

1609
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: sure it was. After the outrage, they then were like, okay,

1610
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: we will comply with the minimum wage law, but legally

1611
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 2: they still had no but only because that that story

1612
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 2: went viral, including on our channel and I think across

1613
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: the state of California, and people said this is complete

1614
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 2: bullshit that they said, okay, okay, we will raise.

1615
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 3: Our minimum wage two twenty dollars an hour.

1616
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: So in some ways it's a hopeful story where they

1617
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: can try and be corrupt, but if they get caught

1618
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: doing it, then guess what they're actually going to have

1619
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: to They're actually going to have to come into compliance.

1620
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 3: So I'm actually somewhat pleasantly surprised by that.

1621
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: So in spite of the fact that the IDF has

1622
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: actually withdrawn from southern Gaza at this point, BB making

1623
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: a clear yesterday the planned invasion will go forward. We

1624
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 1: could put this up on the screen. He was speaking

1625
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: in Hebrew here, which isn't all that useful for me

1626
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: at least, So I'll read you part of what he said.

1627
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: He said, today I received a detailed report on the

1628
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: talks in Cairo. We are working all the time to

1629
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: achieve our goals, primarily the release of all our hostages

1630
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: and achieving a complete victory over Hamas, whatever that means.

1631
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: This victory requires entry into Rafa and the elimination of

1632
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: the terrorist battalions there. He goes on to say, it

1633
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: will happen. There is a date. This noteworthy for a

1634
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. Obviously, as we've covered before, you have

1635
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,919
Speaker 1: over a million Palestinians who have been pushed into Rafa

1636
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: in dire humanitarian conditions, who have been displaced there Rafa

1637
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: up along the border with Egypt. Egypt has been very

1638
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: strongly asserting that they have a major problem with the

1639
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: idea that the IDF would directly invade Rafa. The US

1640
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 1: government also so pushing back on the possibility of a

1641
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: Rafa invasion, originally saying hey, this is a red line,

1642
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: then sort of shifting and saying, well, you got to

1643
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: figure out the humanitarian situation first, but still raising a

1644
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: lot of concerns about Rafa. There were further questions after

1645
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: the IDF, as I mentioned before, withdrew from southern Gaza

1646
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: about what this meant.

1647
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 4: But BB here.

1648
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: Sager making it clear there's a date he set on

1649
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: this Rafa invasion, and in a sense I mean for

1650
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: his own political posturing. That always seemed obvious to me

1651
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: that he wasn't going to back off of this because

1652
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: the moment the war ends, the moment there will be

1653
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: a reckoning with him in his political future, and so

1654
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: he can't allow that to happen. Also, the most psycho

1655
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: parts of its coalition are very determined to have this

1656
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: full on onslaught into Rafa.

1657
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 4: So that's where we are.

1658
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have evidence of that, we can put that

1659
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. You could see it clear

1660
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: as day. Here we have Ben Gavier. He says, if

1661
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister decides to end the war without an

1662
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: extensive attack on Rafa, he will not have a mandate

1663
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: to continue serving as Prime Minister, making it as clear

1664
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: as it gets for what is at least what is

1665
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: going on inside of his coalition. But at the same time, Crystal,

1666
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: we have some developments with the ceasefire. We're getting conflicting

1667
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: news reports, so I'm not exactly sure where we stand.

1668
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's put this up on the screen from CNN.

1669
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: There was a report yesterday. This is actually from Jerusalem

1670
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: Post based on a CNN report, but they said that

1671
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: Hamas rejected the latest hostage deal proposal. You know, they

1672
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: always frame this is like Hamas is the problem, but

1673
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: in reality, there are negotiations going on.

1674
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 4: There's a give and take here.

1675
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: Some of the issues that I've seen reported are you know,

1676
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: there's always this problem of Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire

1677
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: and BB obviously saying, listen, even if we get to

1678
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: some sort of a deal here, it's going to be

1679
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: temporary because we're still going into Rafa. So that's a

1680
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: sticking point. The number of hostages that would be released

1681
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: in the early phases of this potential ceasefire also so

1682
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: appears to be an issue. Israel has been asking for

1683
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: forty hostages. This is all based on reports in the

1684
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: humanitarian category, meaning not IDF soldiers, and effectively, some of

1685
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: the reports indicate that there aren't forty hostages in that

1686
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: category who remain alive, which is horrifying, you know, and

1687
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: we don't know the circumstances under which they may specifically

1688
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: have perished. But we're six months into a war that

1689
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: has been characterized by absolute annihilation, destruction, starvation, dehydration, cut

1690
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: off of medical facilities, etc. It's entirely predictable that alongside

1691
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: the tens of thousands of Palestinians who have been killed,

1692
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: that some of the hostages would perish as well. So

1693
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: this really confirms what a lot of people who were,

1694
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, including the hostage families who've been pushing from

1695
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: the beginning, and some of the hostages themselves after they

1696
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: were released in the early seasefire, saying listen, the way

1697
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: you're conducting this war, you have no idea where these

1698
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: hostages are. You're not keeping them safe. Every day this

1699
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: goes on is imperiling their lives. And so I think

1700
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: we have, through the number of hostages who have been

1701
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: killed at this point, sad confirmation that at least some

1702
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: of that was really true.

1703
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really unfortunate that they're not being able to

1704
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: even account for a lot of them. As you said,

1705
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 2: it is predictable considering that many were killed outright, either

1706
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 2: on the ground or many of them said that they

1707
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: were being bombed. It's possible to and we don't know

1708
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 2: whether Hamas PIJ any of these other organizations what that

1709
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: level of treatment was like for these existing hostages. It's

1710
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: obviously a very chaotic situation. These are many of these

1711
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: people could have been malnourished and all this other anyway,

1712
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 2: it's very devastating. We did, however, see an interesting clip

1713
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 2: that came out of the US State Department where again

1714
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 2: the great journalist Matt Lee just presses the State departments

1715
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: person over and over again, where he's like, hey, so

1716
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: if you were able to get aid in this time,

1717
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: why weren't you ever able to do it before? What

1718
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 2: is the line? And he's completely exposed here. Let's take

1719
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: a listen.

1720
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 8: I will tell you that the step that they are

1721
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 8: taking now is important, but it's overdue. It should have

1722
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 8: should have happened months ago. A lot of these steps

1723
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 8: should have been happened months ago. We're happy that they're

1724
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 8: happening now, but they need to be increased and they

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01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 8: need to be sustained.

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01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 7: So I'll stop after this.

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01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 9: But in recognizing that, often hindsight is twenty twenty.

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01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 7: Shouldn't you have done put the ultimatum?

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01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Or shouldn't the president have done that months ago?

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01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 8: So we have made clear to them for months what

1731
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 8: we expect them to do, and we have seen and

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01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 8: we have seen them take steps at our urging, and

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01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 8: some of those steps have been important, but they haven't

1734
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 8: been sufficient. And all I can say is that we

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01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 8: welcome the initials that the initial steps they have taken

1736
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 8: over the past few days, they represent a dematic improvement,

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01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 8: if fully limited. But we're going to judge them ultimately

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01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 8: by the results.

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01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 3: So you could see it there right there, Chrysal, We're

1740
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 3: going to judge by the results. We'll see. But he's

1741
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 3: unable to answer the very basic question.

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01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Democrats have caught themselves in a complete trap here

1743
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: with their nut and Yahoo bear hug strategy. As led

1744
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: by the Biden White House, because their position has been oh, no,

1745
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 1: Israel's not blocking humanitarian aid, which they had to say

1746
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: because if they acknowledged that Israel was in fact instituting

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01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: a siege, blocking humanitarian aid using starvation as a weapon

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01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: of war, then under our laws we would not be

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: able to continue transferring weapons to them. So they've had

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01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: to deny that reality. Okay, well, now you've actually not

1751
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 1: even changed your policy, but just threatened up potentially, possibly

1752
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: in some undefined way, change your policy in the future.

1753
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: And lo and behold you get some still inadequate, but

1754
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 1: notable changes from Israel where it's very apparent, Oh all

1755
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 1: that they're not blocking humanitarian aid was a complete and

1756
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: total lie. It was a life from the Israelis. It

1757
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: was a lie from the Americans. So you're caught in

1758
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 1: this bind of what do we say about this now?

1759
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: How do we position ourselves? How do we acknowledge? Also

1760
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,879
Speaker 1: the reality that we could have done this long before

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01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: but just chose not to wasn't a problem for us,

1762
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: a sufficient problem for us when we were watching a

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01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: dozen Palestinian babies die a day from starvation, But when

1764
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: our buddies aid workers whose lives deserve to be honored

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01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: and cherished as well.

1766
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 4: But that that was the line for us.

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01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it speaks, it speaks volumes, and there's really

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01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: no way you can get out of the implications of

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01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: what we've all seen unfold. And I think actually to

1770
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Speaker 1: transition to some notable comments that Elizabeth Warren apparently made

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01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: last week, and she's in a similar bind here because

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01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: it's become so undeniable the amount of atrocities that have

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01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: been committed in front of us, that, especially for democ

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Speaker 1: it's anyone who wants to preserve an image as any

1775
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: sort of humanitarian they have to acknowledge that. And yet

1776
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: they still haven't shifted from all out both arded policy

1777
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 1: support of Israel. So let me play these comments from her.

1778
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: She was answering a constituent question I believe this was

1779
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: in Boston about whether or not Israel is committing genocide,

1780
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: and she says, actually, yes, they are, that there is

1781
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: sufficient evidence, ample evidence, I think is the word that

1782
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,839
Speaker 1: she used, that they will be found to be committing

1783
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: genocide by the International Court of Justice. Let's listen to

1784
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: her specific comments and responses.

1785
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 4: Constituent, do you think that Israel is committing a genocide.

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Speaker 12: So I think that what's happening now is there's going

1787
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:50,520
Speaker 12: to be alarmed and involved debate over what constitutes genocide.

1788
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 12: When you ask a legal question, for me, it is

1789
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 12: far more important to say what Israel.

1790
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 7: Is doing is wrong and it isra It is.

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01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 12: Wrong to starve children with a civilian population in order

1792
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 12: to try them them to your will. It is wrong

1793
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 12: to drop two thousand pound bombs in densely populated civilian areas.

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01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 7: I think I can.

1795
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 12: Make a more effective argument by describing the behavior that

1796
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 12: is happening and whether I believe it is right or wrong,

1797
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 12: and look people in the eye and say, do you

1798
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 12: want to tell me if you think it is right

1799
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 12: and that it should be the policy of the United

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01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 12: States of Americas support those actions. So that's how I

1801
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 12: analyze this.

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01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 10: Now. I did analyto question, said it was the answer,

1803
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 10: another facult question was the answer, no question to clarify.

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01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 12: So if you want, if you want to do it

1805
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 12: as an application of law, I believe they would find

1806
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 12: that it is genocide, and they have ample evidence to do. So.

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01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 12: What I'm also trying to tell you is I'm trying

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01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 12: to get people past a label's argument which seems to

1809
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 12: throw out the screen and to get them to look

1810
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 12: at the behavior on the ground, to get them to

1811
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 12: look at the children, to get them to look at

1812
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 12: the mons, the old people and the people have been displaced,

1813
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 12: at the people who are living outside of the people

1814
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 12: who are drinking during the water and talk about what

1815
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 12: the role of the United States is in connection with supporting.

1816
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 7: The meeting the governments. But the people of.

1817
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: Goes in that physician, so you can hear very clearly

1818
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: there she says, as a matter effectively of international law,

1819
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I believe they will be found guilty of genocide and

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01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,480
Speaker 1: believe there is quote ample evidence to support that conclusion.

1821
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: But this raises a lot of uncomfortable questions for Elizabeth

1822
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: Warren because she has supported the Biden policy in terms

1823
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: of how she's voted.

1824
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 4: She voted to.

1825
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: Defund the number one aid organization on the ground in

1826
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: Gaza Unra, which has been essential in terms of, you know,

1827
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: at this present moment and previously as well, getting aid

1828
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 1: to Gaza's who are now starving to death. So if

1829
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: it's a genocide, you have aided in that genocidal policy.

1830
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: And she has continued to vote in terms of military

1831
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: aid to Israel. So you can see the discomfort in

1832
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the way that we can put this next piece up

1833
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 1: on the screen. Her spokesperson is trying to walk this

1834
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: back a bit, these comments, and I guess sort of

1835
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: nuanced troll on them, she says. In a Q and

1836
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: A Center, Warren commented on the ongoing legal process at

1837
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: the International Court of Justice, not sharing her views on

1838
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: whether genocide is occurring in Gaza. In January, the ICJ

1839
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,480
Speaker 1: found that it is plausible Israel's committed acts that violate.

1840
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 4: The Genocide Convention.

1841
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: As the senator said the mosque, what is far more

1842
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: important than any label that comes out of this legal

1843
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: process is the question of whether it should be the

1844
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: policy of the US to support Israel's actions in Gaza.

1845
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: Center Warren believes from Minister nat Nan and his right

1846
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,639
Speaker 1: wing war cabinet have created a massive humanitarian disaster in Gaza,

1847
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: have not taken reasonable steps to protect civilians. As she

1848
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: said at the mosque, it is wrong to starve children

1849
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: within a civilian population in order to try to bend

1850
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: to your will. It is wrong to drop two thousand

1851
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: pound bombs in densely populated civilian areas. The Center has

1852
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: worked with her colleagues in Congress to push for a

1853
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: sea spot, the return of hostages, for conditioning aid to Israel,

1854
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: for free flow of humanitarian aid in Gaza, and for movement.

1855
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 4: Toward a two state solution.

1856
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: So you know, even in the interaction, you could tell

1857
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: that she was uncomfortable with having to actually say the

1858
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: word genocide, but also couldn't really get out of it.

1859
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: So now they're trying to walk it back a bit

1860
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 1: by saying, oh, this isn't really.

1861
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 4: Her personal view.

1862
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: She's just sort of evaluating this process that is unfolding

1863
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 1: at the International Court of Justice. But I mean they're

1864
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: the one that, from a legal perspective, make the determination.

1865
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: So if you think they have ample evidence that this

1866
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: is the genocide, why are you still supporting a Biden

1867
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: administration policy of aiding and abetting this genocide.

1868
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 2: The whole thing is very silly in the way that

1869
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 2: she handles the question. It's like, lady, either say it

1870
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 2: or don't. Just put your opinion on the table. Stop

1871
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 2: trying to tap dance around this. Either you know you

1872
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: voted for it, defend the vote, say you change your

1873
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 2: mind that you don't believe it, or that you do

1874
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 2: this is I'll be honest again, I don't use this

1875
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: type of language specifically for this reason. I think international

1876
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 2: law is fake. I don't think anything it can be

1877
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: proved or disproven. She's actually returning to her almost like

1878
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 2: did you notice that her law school route of like, well,

1879
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 2: if you want to look at the legal question, I'm like, well,

1880
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 2: this isn't all a question. I mean, I guess it

1881
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,639
Speaker 2: is technically, but it's one of those with no enforcement.

1882
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 3: You either support the policy or you don't.

1883
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: And it's clear too that she is one where she's

1884
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 2: trying to square it with I think trying to keep

1885
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 2: progressive credentials or any of that and all that together,

1886
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 2: and she's just not giving her straight up opinion, which

1887
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 2: is actually my biggest takeaway, especially two in terms of

1888
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 2: clear up. If you believe it, then say it, you know,

1889
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: but have the courage to say it.

1890
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 3: That's my all I would say.

1891
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: I actually think that the fact that an Elizabeth Warren

1892
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 1: feels pressure to acknowledge that there is ample evidence this

1893
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 1: is a genocide is proof that the ICJ process has

1894
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: actually mattered, because you know, that sort of language, you know,

1895
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: was considered totally outside of the Overton window of mainstream

1896
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: acceptability early on in this conflict. And I do think

1897
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: that South Africa's case, the fact that the ICJ, overwhelmingly

1898
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: including the American judge by the way, which was kind

1899
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: of shocking, found that there was sufficient evidence here to say, Okay,

1900
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: it's plausible, this case can move forward.

1901
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 4: And of course we've.

1902
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Continued to see the evidence of not only what was

1903
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: done in terms of the annihilation, but the way that

1904
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: starvation continues to be used as a weapon of war

1905
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: here has made it very difficult for people like AOC,

1906
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: people like Elizabeth Warren, anyone who sees themselves as being

1907
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: a progressive, as being on the left, as being a humanitarian,

1908
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: to avoid the implications of that. So I actually see

1909
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 1: it as consequential. The fact that you have a mainstream

1910
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: United States senator who's you know, actually now gotten to

1911
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: the left of Bernie Sanders in terms of what he's

1912
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 1: been willing to say it is pretty extraordinary. Now, again

1913
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: it's a little empty given her voting record, but this

1914
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: is toothpaste that Israel can't really put back in the tube.

1915
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: You've now had a United States senator say that you

1916
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: are committing a genocide, I mean a state that was

1917
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: founded out of the horrors of the Holocaust, obviously a

1918
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: horrifying genocide, and now you're being accused by a senator

1919
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: from your top ally and benefactor of committing a genocide.

1920
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 4: It is extraordinary.

1921
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: It is It's something I could have just like Nancy

1922
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: Pelosi's signing on to the letter saying, hey, maybe we

1923
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: should condition aid to These are things that would have

1924
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: been unthinkable.

1925
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 4: A year ago.

1926
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how to put a

1927
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: how to conclude this because on the one hand, you think, Okay, well,

1928
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: in the future this is really going to matter in

1929
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 1: terms of how things have shifted in US public opinion,

1930
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: et cetera. In the short term, I can't say that

1931
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: it's really going to make a difference viz a vi

1932
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and how he conducts himself, because I think

1933
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: he's such a locked in ideologue. But you know, the

1934
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: language that we've heard throughout this conflict about the way

1935
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: that Israel is becoming increasingly isolated on the world stage,

1936
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 1: about how they're becoming increasingly estranged from one of the

1937
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: two major parties in the United States, not necessarily the politicians,

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Speaker 1: but the base.

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Speaker 4: This is all true and you can.

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Speaker 1: Ask South Africa, the white apartheid regime of South Africa,

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Speaker 1: how it went for them once they faced a high

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Speaker 1: level of global estrangement for their apartheid regime and crimes.

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Speaker 1: All Right, guys, we've been tracking closely how Iran might

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Speaker 1: respond to that Israeli strike on their consular building in Damascus.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this element up on the screen. There's been

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Speaker 1: a very interesting report that Iran may have actually offered

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Speaker 1: the US a sort of an ultimatum, or I guess

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Speaker 1: issued an ultimatum saying basically, listen, we won't directly attack

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Speaker 1: Israel in response if you're able to secure a ceasefire deal.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Treeta Parsi, who's standing by for further analysis, put

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Speaker 1: out this tweet taking a look at this report and

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Speaker 1: what it could mean. He said in part First, it's

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Speaker 1: clear that Iran wants to avoid a direct confrontation with Israel,

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Speaker 1: but it cannot evade it unless it secures a big

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Speaker 1: win in the region. Tehran may suspect a ceasefire is

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Speaker 1: already in the making, and as a result use that

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Speaker 1: as a pretext to both take credit for it and

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Speaker 1: to avoid getting into a shooting fight with Israel. He continues, second,

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Speaker 1: this is very risky, but also rather c If the

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Speaker 1: threat compels Biden to finally put material pressure on Israel

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Speaker 1: in order to avoid a regional war, Iran can take

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Speaker 1: some credit for having saved the people of Gaza. He

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Speaker 1: goes on to indicate that this may suggest Iran might

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Speaker 1: have figured out how to target Israel in a way

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Speaker 1: that is proportionate. It does not provide Israel with grounds

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Speaker 1: for further escalation. Striking Israeli consulates or embassies in the

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Speaker 1: region Harry's tremendous political risks, and he continues to outline

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Speaker 1: how it actually is more difficult than you may think

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Speaker 1: to identify an Israeli embassy to target without causing other

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Speaker 1: regional habit, contrary to what the Iranians perceived to be

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Speaker 1: their interest. And as I mentioned before, Executive vice President

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Speaker 1: at the Quincy Institute, doctor Trita Parsi joins us.

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Speaker 4: Now, always great to see you, doctor.

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Speaker 7: Good sessir, thank you so much for having me so.

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Speaker 1: First, tell us a little bit about this report of

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Speaker 1: this ultimatum and how credible you find it to be.

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Speaker 13: So the report has been in the Arab media and

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Speaker 13: it essentially says that in this secret talks that are

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Speaker 13: not that secret any law between the United States and Iran,

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Speaker 13: and some of it has been taking place in Oman,

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Speaker 13: and the Iranian four ministers on his way to New

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Speaker 13: York now and have apparently gotten a visa from the

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Speaker 13: United States. That's been a tricky part in the past,

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Speaker 13: oftentimes getting it at the last minute, if at all.

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Speaker 13: But the report essentially says that as part of the

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Speaker 13: communications between the United States and Iran, and we do

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Speaker 13: know that the Iranians sent a message to the US

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Speaker 13: immediately after the Israeli attack on the Yronian consult in Damascus,

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Speaker 13: that they have essentially offered an off round for both sides,

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Speaker 13: which is that if the United States secures a cease fire,

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Speaker 13: then Iran will refrain from retaliating, and that retaliation could

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Speaker 13: be against embassies of Israel and the region, or it

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Speaker 13: could potentially be against Israel proper, and on top of

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Speaker 13: that a vague formulation that it could also lead to

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Speaker 13: a path towards greater understanding between the United States and Iran. Now,

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Speaker 13: the White House has denied that this report is true.

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Speaker 13: I don't know how much stock I take in that,

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Speaker 13: given what John Kirby says on a daily basis at

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Speaker 13: the White House Press of these days, and the Ranians

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Speaker 13: have given mixed messages on this, so it's not clear

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Speaker 13: whether it is true or not. But what it does signify, however,

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Speaker 13: is that there is a very interesting diplomacy taking place

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Speaker 13: between the US yon in the background, and they're both

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Speaker 13: in a situation in which they don't want a further escalation,

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Speaker 13: and they're trying to calibrate to what extent can they

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Speaker 13: continue to have some lower level confrontation, and to what

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Speaker 13: extent can they afford to put pressure on their partners

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Speaker 13: or allies or proxies, whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 13: without causing too much strain between themselves and those partners.

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Speaker 13: So we see from the Bider administration there's almost zero

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Speaker 13: pressure that he's willing to put on Israel, fearing that

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Speaker 13: any real pressure would actually cast him therely politically at home,

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Speaker 13: a calculation that I personally think is a miscalculation.

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Speaker 7: A similar condition exists on the Ivanian side.

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Speaker 13: They have ringed in the Iraqi and civil and malicious,

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Speaker 13: but it has also cost them because of tensions that

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Speaker 13: that tends to create between them on this ground. So

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Speaker 13: again It's not entirely clear whether it's true or not,

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Speaker 13: but it does indicate some very interesting developments behind the scene.

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Speaker 13: And if it is true, then the question is how

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Speaker 13: we'll buy it and react to it. And one of

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Speaker 13: the things I've porned out is that I find it

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Speaker 13: very difficult for him politically to agree to this if

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Speaker 13: the perception is that he is acting on their duress

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Speaker 13: because of pressure from Iran. But he may still go

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Speaker 13: in that direction while denying that the Yvanian ultimatum either

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Speaker 13: as true or had anything to do with his decision.

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Speaker 2: Just in contact, could you frame it for how extraordinary

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Speaker 2: it was to strike an embassy And is it even

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Speaker 2: within Iran's option matrix to do nothing in the way

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Speaker 2: that they have not yet responded to the US retalitatory

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Speaker 2: strike in response to the killing of three US service members.

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Speaker 2: Whenever it comes to Israel, is that even an option

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Speaker 2: that's on the table?

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Speaker 3: What's your analysis there?

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Speaker 7: Excellent question, So let me start off with the first one.

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Speaker 13: This is an extremely unusual attack by the Israelis and

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Speaker 13: a very very flavorant violation of international law. Striking embassies,

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Speaker 13: according to the Vienna Convention, is completely off limits. It

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Speaker 13: is as bad as when the Iranian students took the

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Speaker 13: Ivanian the US embassy in Iran back in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 13: It ended up taking fifty two American diplomats hostage for

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Speaker 13: four hundred and forty four days. Now, what is so

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Speaker 13: sad about all of this is that we've seen now

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Speaker 13: a pattern in which just the last couple of months

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Speaker 13: in which the Israelis have violated almost every international law

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Speaker 13: and almost seemed to be doing so deliberately to just

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Speaker 13: a further weekend these international lawms. And it is quite

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Speaker 13: noteworthy that it is only a couple of days after

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Speaker 13: the Israeli attack, which was not condemned by the United States,

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Speaker 13: that we also saw the Ecuadorian government take over the

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Speaker 13: Mexican embassy in Ecuador to take a person who had

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Speaker 13: fought as political asylum there. So we're seeing an erosion

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Speaker 13: of these international norms. But we should not forget that

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Speaker 13: these are norms that have been very strong and extremely

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Speaker 13: uncommon or countries to engage in attacks of this kind,

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Speaker 13: and even in the many attacks that the Vanyas have

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Speaker 13: been involved in against Israel, it has not led to

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Speaker 13: those type of attacks. Now, these Raelis knew very well

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Speaker 13: what they were doing, because they knew that the Iranian

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Speaker 13: red line was an attack on their territory and their

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Speaker 13: embassy and Concert is technically their territory.

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Speaker 7: And it goes to what you mentioned earlier on. The

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Speaker 7: Iranians have taken.

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Speaker 13: A lot of hits from these Raelis in the last

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Speaker 13: couple of years, particularly in Syria, without retaliating, and part

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Speaker 13: of what they've said is that those attacks were on

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Speaker 13: attacks against Syria, attacks against living On, they were not

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Speaker 13: attacks against Yvan.

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Speaker 7: Even though Ivanyas died this.

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Speaker 13: Time around, they can't really say that because this is

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Speaker 13: an attack on their soul. Now, whether they will respond

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Speaker 13: or not is a very complicated calculation. But what is

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Speaker 13: fascinating in all of this is that fifteen years ago

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Speaker 13: the Yvani has had a very explicit policy in which

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Speaker 13: they actually simulated ivrationiz it was called simulated irrationale.

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Speaker 7: They wanted to.

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Speaker 13: Behave in an extremely unpredictable and uncalculable way because they

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Speaker 13: believe that that gave them a margin of security. If

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Speaker 13: the other side doesn't know how you're going to react

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Speaker 13: to one of your actions, you're going to be more

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Speaker 13: careful because you cannot calculate what their next step is.

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Speaker 7: This is very similar to Nixon's mad Man theory. Today.

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Speaker 13: If you listen to what the Yvanian officials are saying,

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Speaker 13: it's quite the opposite. They're saying that they're going to

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Speaker 13: take their time, the response is going to be irrational

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Speaker 13: and proportionate. It's a complete shift, and it is a

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Speaker 13: lot of people inside the Vanian regime hardliners that are

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Speaker 13: very unhappy about this because they believe that this has

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Speaker 13: weakened Van's deterrence visa the United States and ITEL and

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Speaker 13: then pointing to this growing level of attacks by it

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Speaker 13: as evidence that yvon is losing as the turns, and

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Speaker 13: if that argument wins out, we may end up seeing

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Speaker 13: an unpredictable reaction by the Irani is something that has

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Speaker 13: not been considered by most analysts on the Western side,

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Speaker 13: and it can.

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Speaker 7: Lead to a very very dangerous estination in the region.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important to remind people that both

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Speaker 1: the Israelis and the Americans have assessed that Iran was

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Speaker 1: not directly involved in planning the October seventh attacks. I

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Speaker 1: think that's important to keep in mind that there are

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Speaker 1: many voices here in the US that are constantly pushing

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Speaker 1: for a direct war with Iran. But you have assessed here,

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Speaker 1: doctor Parci, that neither the Iranians nor the Americans want

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Speaker 1: this direct, larger confrontation. So what do you believe is

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Speaker 1: Netanyahu's goal here?

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Speaker 4: What would he like to see play out?

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Speaker 1: Why did he choose this moment to launch such a

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Speaker 1: provocative and escalatory attack.

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Speaker 13: Nathania who is the odd man out in this equation

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Speaker 13: because he does have an interest in expanding the war,

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Speaker 13: prolonging the war. The minute this war ends, he will

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Speaker 13: likely go to jail. He's an extremely unpopular Israeli Prime minister,

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Speaker 13: there will be re elections, and there's already criminal charges

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Speaker 13: filed against him for corruption. So he has an interest

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Speaker 13: in prolonging and enlarging the war, which completely contradicts what

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Speaker 13: Biden says is his interest. And this is part of

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Speaker 13: the problem with Biden essentially deferring US foreign policy to Nithaniah.

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Speaker 13: It is these Raelings that call the shots and the

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Speaker 13: parameters of the negotiations that are currently taking place about

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Speaker 13: the release of the hostages and increasing voices in Israel.

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Speaker 7: Point Nathaniah, who does not want to win.

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Speaker 13: The release of the hostages because if all the hostages

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Speaker 13: are released, it will be more difficult for him to

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Speaker 13: continue the war, and he does not want to end

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Speaker 13: the war. And the United States and Biden has the

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Speaker 13: same actually linked its policy to Nataniahu's preferences, and those

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Speaker 13: preferences are in complete contrast to what Biden himself says

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Speaker 13: that he wants. Another mistake I think the Bide administration

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Speaker 13: is doing in its approach to these negotiations is that

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Speaker 13: there has been a linkage created between the hostage release

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Speaker 13: and a ceasefire.

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Speaker 7: Now, on a surface level, that seems to make sense.

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Speaker 13: Of course, Hamas has to give up these hostages and

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Speaker 13: in return get a complete ceasefire, but in reality that

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Speaker 13: means that as long and the hostages are not released

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Speaker 13: and NATANIAO is not trying to win their release, there's

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Speaker 13: then a justification for Israel to continue. It's indiscriminate slaughter

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Speaker 13: in God. This is part of the reason why the

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Speaker 13: American UN draft was rejected. It linked the two things,

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Speaker 13: essentially saying there would be a hostage release when there

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Speaker 13: is a seasfier, would be a seatspire when there's a

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Speaker 13: hostage release. The UN resolution that was passed delay it

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Speaker 13: and essentially said it is an independent and imperative to

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Speaker 13: solve the slaughter in Gaza. Holding the hostages is not

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Speaker 13: a justification for Israel to kill thousands of children and

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Speaker 13: other innocence in Gaza. And there's also an imperative for

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Speaker 13: these hostages to be released, but they are not linked.

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Speaker 13: Both of them have to happen, but they shouldn't be

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Speaker 13: dependent upon each other.

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Speaker 7: Otherwise, as long as one hundred and thirty or.

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Speaker 13: So hostages are held in Gaza, there is a justification

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Speaker 13: that for the killing of thousands of thousands of civilians

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Speaker 13: and know what the country about the United States has

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01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 13: signed on to that forma.

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Speaker 1: Well, doctor Parsi, thank you so much as always for

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Speaker 1: your analysis today. It's been invaluable and I really recommend

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01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: to everyone that they read what you're writing of our

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Speaker 1: responsible state craft, and also make sure to follow you

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01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter because your reaction to these events has been

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Speaker 1: essential in understanding some of the things that are unfolding.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 7: Great to say, thank you so much for having me appreciation.

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Speaker 4: It's our pleasure, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Last week we could not let the show end without

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Speaker 1: revealing Sager's activities yesterday during the solar eclipses.

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Speaker 4: With someone on the screen.

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Speaker 3: I didn't ask for this.

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Speaker 1: This smar cringe posting no better way to see the eclipse.

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Speaker 1: He's got his Apple Vision pro on there, so I

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01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: guess I'll ask the series score, what does it actually

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01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 1: look like through the Apple Vision Pro.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was great, Crystal, because I could. Here's the thing,

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Speaker 2: It's a digital representation of the real world, so my

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01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 2: eyes were completely shielded. Some people said that my cameras

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01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 2: would get blinded and all that. I had no issues.

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Speaker 2: I was able to actually put a nice dark filter

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Speaker 2: using the environment's feature. Here's the thing. I'm being roasted

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Speaker 2: into covering this. I didn't ask to cover this. If

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Speaker 2: I knew that we would, I would have filmed it.

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Speaker 2: I would have filmed it for everybody. And this is

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Speaker 2: just simply I was enjoying in the privacy of my home.

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Speaker 3: I decided to tweet it out as a joke.

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Speaker 2: I tweeted out as a joke because I actually shared

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Speaker 2: the picture with friends. It was Marshall who said, DUJEI

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01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 2: got to tweet that out and I said, okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: So I did, and now here I am. But I

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Speaker 2: will say the vision pro is completely fine, the cameras

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Speaker 2: are fine, my eyes are fine. I am not one

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Speaker 2: of the Yeah, I mean, I I believe so, I

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01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:10,839
Speaker 2: mean my eyesight is still very bad, I guess, but.

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Speaker 1: It continues to be bad, continues to improvement.

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Speaker 4: Not one of the You're not one of the people

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Speaker 4: could put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Apparently there was this massive surge in people googling why

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Speaker 1: do my eyes hurt? And my eyes hurt?

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Speaker 3: My eyes hurt? Yeah, staring at the sun will do

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Speaker 3: that to you. Absolutely a shocker.

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Speaker 1: So Donald Trump, I guess there's a throwback comment. That

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Speaker 1: picture of him and Milania is still iconic, where she's

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Speaker 1: got her glasses on and he's like looking up at

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Speaker 1: the thing with no glasses on, doing the exact opposite

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01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:44,600
Speaker 1: of what literally everyone says you should do.

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Speaker 4: Classic Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, uh, maybe they're lying though about how dangerous

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Speaker 2: it actually is.

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Speaker 3: I'd be curious.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what the actual stats are because

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Speaker 2: they always say that, they're like, don't look at the eclipse.

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Speaker 2: Don't look at the eclipse. Is it because you're just

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01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 2: not supposed to look at the sun?

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Speaker 3: Period? Like what?

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01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 2: Like something about the harm radiation, and so every time

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01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 2: that it comes around, everyone says that, But I've never

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Speaker 2: seen a case somebody go blind from looking at the clips.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing is, I'm just like kind of

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01:53:09,479 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 1: making this up at this point, but everyone knows you

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01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 1: can tell right away when you're actually looking at the sun,

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Speaker 1: like it hurts your eyes in real time you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I should I'm going to stop because this is not pleasant.

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Speaker 1: But if you're in a totality or new totality, you

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01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 1: could be looking at it and it wouldn't actually be

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Speaker 1: having that same impact on you, Like I got to

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01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: look away, but it's still having.

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Speaker 4: A negative impact.

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the deal I we here in the

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Speaker 1: DC area. I think we got with like eighty seven percent.

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Speaker 1: You could kind of I mean you could definitely if

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01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: you have the glasses on, you could see the sun.

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01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: You could see it happening. But if you didn't, you

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01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: could tell it was a weird. There was like a

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01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: weird dimness. It's like a strange Kyle said the lightest

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01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 1: having an identity crisis. That was like kind of what

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Speaker 1: it felt like. I went in twenty seventeen to that one.

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Speaker 1: I went to Tennessee to see the totality, and I

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Speaker 1: would like to do it again because it is a

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01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 1: cool experience. I mean, it's crazy when it almost looks

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Speaker 1: like a sunset and then things get so dark in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the day. It is a weird, eerie,

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Speaker 1: surreal experience that, you know. I guess I'll have to

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Speaker 1: wait till twenty forty five, till the next one comes

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Speaker 1: around in the US. But yeah, to me, it was

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Speaker 1: worth it making the trip. We went with the whole family.

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Speaker 1: We actually like, we'reround on a lake and it was

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Speaker 1: it was neat.

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01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 2: The next map twenty forty four is actually going to

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Speaker 2: be in Montana and you can go to Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can go to the National Park Glacier Now, I believe.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. Glacier National I think falls within

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Speaker 2: the totality. I mean, I'm telling you that place is

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Speaker 2: beautiful enough as is, so the idea of doing that

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Speaker 2: with the eclipse that sounds pretty cool. Twenty years from now,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm going to be there. I'm convinced because

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01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 2: of the videos that came out of Austin that people

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01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 2: were sending me of the actual totality the blackness, and.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh damn, that actually sounds pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So there's no comparison between being in actual totality and

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Speaker 1: getting even a hybrid, you know, a ninety percent or

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Speaker 1: whatever we got here eighty seven percent. It really is

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01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: a completely different experience. So I don't you know, I

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01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's cringy that people who made the trek

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01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: to Cleveland or Buffalo or Austin or wherever they were

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01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: able to see it, weren't they But in Austin didn't

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Speaker 1: they have cloud cover?

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Speaker 2: They did, but it didn't stop the darkness. So I

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01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 2: mean they weren't able to see the actual like event.

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01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 2: I think they were able to sum it depends on

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Speaker 2: where you were. But the darkness itself, I mean you

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01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 2: couldn't stop that. Apparently even night animals were howling or whatever,

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01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 2: like coyotes and things like that because they thought it

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01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:36,840
Speaker 2: was So that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: I think that's cool.

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01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 2: So I see why people in the old times thought

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01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 2: it was dark magic.

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01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 4: I get it now, Yeah, totally, maybe they were right.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're headed out, guys, Thank you very very much.

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Speaker 2: This week Counterpoints, we'll be doing the AMA so please

2282
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 2: send in your special counterpoints, AMA questions for Ryan and Emily,

2283
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 2: and they will send that to you on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise we will see you all later.

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Speaker 11: The keep

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Speaker 6: And keep it