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Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I

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Speaker 1: grew up. Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. I am Ben O'Brien, and I am joined

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Speaker 1: by Philip t Engineers. Say hello, Philip, Hello, Hey, Hey

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Speaker 1: doing buddy, Not like that. Don't say hello like that. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to sound like you. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Yeah, good good. Now we have cover

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Speaker 1: off on Halloween. Quickly. I dressed up like a stormtrooper.

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Speaker 1: My wife dressed up like a stormtrooper. My son was

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Speaker 1: Kylo Wren. We scored the motherload of candy above all

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Speaker 1: motherloads of candy. Uh so I'm feeling pretty good, pretty

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Speaker 1: first first world stuff over here. We had piles of

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Speaker 1: recy cups. Uh we did. We were able to identify

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Speaker 1: the houses in my neighborhood that gave out the full

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Speaker 1: size candy bars, and I went on my Onyx maps

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Speaker 1: and I put a little way points on their homes.

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Speaker 1: So next year, I know what my strategy is. How

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Speaker 1: did it go over there for you? Oh? It went

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Speaker 1: pretty well. We didn't. We only went to a few

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Speaker 1: houses for trick or treating, but then we handed out

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Speaker 1: candy and my oldest son said that he enjoyed that

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Speaker 1: just as much as getting the candy. So, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: he's either a really weird kid or he's he's got

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Speaker 1: a good heart. I think he's got a good heart.

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Speaker 1: He's got empathy. I think, having not met the young lad,

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Speaker 1: I feel that's that shows a lot a lot of

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Speaker 1: character from your little guy there. Yeah. Oh, actually I

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Speaker 1: think he's just a freak. He's just weird for being

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Speaker 1: nice in this day and age. But hey, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I just don't know now as a father, uh,

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Speaker 1: and a person who tries to uh stay alive, what

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Speaker 1: I'm us to do with all this candy because I'm

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Speaker 1: eating so much of it. My son has kind of

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Speaker 1: a pitch count. He gets one a day. He gets

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Speaker 1: one piece a day, right, this is he's he's working

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Speaker 1: on kind of a very very curated schedule. But me,

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Speaker 1: with a bucket of candy. Yeah. So, I don't know

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Speaker 1: you have any advice, like Dr Phil medicine woman advice

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Speaker 1: for for people in this situation. Uh, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: just gotta have self control. I'm gonna share a not

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Speaker 1: so sharp moment with you, Benny, you ready, please, it

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Speaker 1: might be early and it's not. It's my son's please.

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Speaker 1: He had a Halloween party at his school the other

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Speaker 1: day and um, he ate so much candy that he

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Speaker 1: got home, walked through the front door and immediately vomited everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, that's that's the end of the story.

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Speaker 1: Play the jingle field, Um that you just gotta you

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Speaker 1: gotta pace yourself, you know, yeah, yeah, I have again.

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Speaker 1: I have the mind of a child, and so I

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Speaker 1: found myself. If you'd like for me to paint the visual,

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Speaker 1: paint the picture for you of last night when I

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Speaker 1: around me was like a smattering of wrappers and and

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Speaker 1: it just didn't wasn't good. Um, if there's something I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I feel worse surrounded by candy rappers than I

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Speaker 1: do like empty beer cans. I feel I feel more

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Speaker 1: that's right. I consider this a cry for help because

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Speaker 1: right now it's those white chocolate ghosts shaped reezy cups

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Speaker 1: and they're there's the white chocolate. Yeah, there's none left

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Speaker 1: half dozen of them babies. Last night, Uh it was,

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Speaker 1: gotta prayers, but thanks not of prayers. Um, we gotta

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Speaker 1: move on. Today's episode is a good one. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I promise. Jordan Jonas is the is the man who

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Speaker 1: won season six of the reality show Alone. Now, Phil,

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Speaker 1: get to that, Phil. As always, the email inboxes is hopping. UM,

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Speaker 1: So thanks again for everybody for writing into th HC

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Speaker 1: at the media dot com. A lot of you had

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Speaker 1: opinions about last week's show on wound loss, particularly stories

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that we need to live out

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Speaker 1: Do you know what that segment is? I have a

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Speaker 1: It is the return of Dr Phil Medicine. Woman Dylan

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Speaker 1: Lambert writes in he didn't even write this to Phil, really,

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to the podcast for about a year now,

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Speaker 1: I really listened to your input on situations within a

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Speaker 1: from a lot of people in the comments section on Instagram. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, my friend Joe Roganala says, don't read the comments.

428
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Speaker 1: But in this case, I think it's important to kind

429
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: of get an idea of where we had as a

430
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: country and maybe is listenership to this podcast where this

431
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: is uh, this stuff's hard to talk about. It's hard

432
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: to talk about who you voted for, it's hard to

433
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: talk about why you did so. Um. And it just

434
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 1: has become something where we all self censor because we

435
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: don't want to hate us. We do want to in

436
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: the case of somebody like me who has an audience

437
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: on the podcast, I don't want to lose anybody from

438
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: listening to this show, UM, and I don't want to

439
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: lose anybody from being a follower mind on Instagram. All

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Speaker 1: that's important to me and the business of doing this

441
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: year program. So, UM, that was not I didn't enjoy that,

442
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: but but certainly my response to that was listening. I'm

443
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: happy to share who I voted for. I'm happy to

444
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: share why. UM I'm not. I don't really I've never

445
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: been in the camp to self censor because I'm afraid

446
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: of criticism. I'm not afraid of somebody's snap judgment. I'm

447
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: not afraid of someone calling me a liberal or conservative. Um.

448
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: It certainly gets nastier than that, it seems. And so

449
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I say all that to say, UM, I happily shared

450
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: in in that post too, I voted for on a

451
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: couple of issues. UM. I also want to say that

452
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: this podcast in my social media, if you're one of

453
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: those folks that here that I voted for one person

454
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: or in particular or another, immediately, UM want to jump

455
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: jump ship or say that I'm I'm hateful or racist

456
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, the folks that want to say that,

457
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: it's probably not a real good place for you to

458
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: be anyway, because we're going to continue to push these dogmas.

459
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna take a look at the orthodoxes

460
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: on both sides and try to push them. We're going

461
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: to talk to people we disagree with. We are not

462
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: going to be an echo chamber. And if you're looking

463
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: to only come to a place where you're gonna feel

464
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: accepted and affirmed and comfortable, this probably isn't gonna be that.

465
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: There's pertainly, certainly many places that will just affirm these

466
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: ideas that you have and not challenge them. So in

467
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: that way, UM, I hope this can be a place

468
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: where people can come to be challenged, come to think

469
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: for themselves and fom ideas based on information that you gather,

470
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: not ideologies that you share with someone. And so I

471
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: no matter what happens in this election, I hope that

472
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Speaker 1: that this can stand for this show and for my

473
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Speaker 1: social media and or whatever else did I roll. This

474
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Speaker 1: is this how it's gonna be um, not only with vegans,

475
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: but with um, you know, gun control activists or people

476
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: that agree that disagree with climate change, or anyone that

477
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: disagrees with any of the things that I kind of

478
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: hold to be true are important to me at the

479
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: very least. Um, We're gonna go and and talk to

480
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: those folks and see what we can learn you. Certainly,

481
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: I'll certainly be sharing some thoughts um on Instagram, and

482
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: when I vote, I've got some things I want to say,

483
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: continue to say them. Um. But like I said, bottom line,

484
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: it is important too to test your own ideas and

485
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: to get yourself in a position where you're comfortable. If

486
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: someone disagrees with you, and if you if you're not comfortable,

487
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: you'd probably take a look at yourself and see what

488
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: you can do a little bit better. So that's it.

489
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to a totally different topic. Now we're

490
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: gonna talk to our friend Jordan Jonas, season six winner

491
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: of Alone, All kinds of stuff. You wrote a reindeer

492
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: one time. One time he killed a wolverine with a hatchet.

493
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: He's just a generally good dude, so you're going to

494
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Jordan's Jones. Jordan, what's up, man, how's it going.

495
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: Oh it's not that bad. I uh sorry about cutting

496
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: this antelope up. We had to see your at work

497
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: over there. That's good. Yeah. Yeah, these days, we're so

498
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: busy these days that you gotta uh, you gotta work

499
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: and work at the same time. So yeah, rather than

500
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: just just podcast, I figured you might as well making

501
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: neck gross have an antelope. We're at it. Yeah, so

502
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: you're making good progress. Oh yeah, man, I'm I got

503
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: a couple of hind quarters taking apart and uh the

504
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: neck deboned. So you got me jealous at least that's

505
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: you feeling. So you're in Virginia, you said, Lynchburg, Yeah, Virginia.

506
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: I was just listening to the podcast deal with Rogan,

507
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: so I feel like I got a lot of that background. Man.

508
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we got to tell people how

509
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: you got to Virginia by way, by way of traveling

510
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: in train cars. Yeah, we rode. My brother did it

511
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot when he was He was my older brother,

512
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: and he would, uh, he spent years just riding freight

513
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: trains all across the country, up and down the coasts

514
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: and back and forth. And he invited me to go

515
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: with him when I was eighteen or so, and and uh, yeah,

516
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: I hopped on a freight train and we went across

517
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: the country and ended up we would end up stopping

518
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: in Virginia a lot to do temporary work for some guy.

519
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: And uh and the long story short, that's what kind

520
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: of stuck us here in the long run. But yeah,

521
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: I had some adventures doing that. Of all the things

522
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: you've done, man, that was like the most interesting part

523
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: to me because your brother was doing it for seven

524
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: years and you guys would literally just get on an

525
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: open train car and ride until he didn't feel like

526
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: riding anymore. Yeah, basically had some of the coolest rides

527
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: are up there through where you're at up in Montana

528
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: and uh North Idah and stuff just beautiful because the trains,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, follow the rivers and the animals aren't really

530
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: that afraid of him anymore. So you you see a

531
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: lot of the country, a lot of nature. It's actually

532
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: pretty cool way to travel if you're not in a hurry.

533
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: What drove you to do that? Because you were in

534
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: Idaho right. You grew up in Idom. No. I was

535
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Speaker 1: in Idaho and I was just working. I've been working

536
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: a concrete job. Well, no, and then I was at whatever,

537
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: the salad dressing factory, and my brother just invited me

538
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: to come along, and why we why not? What am I?

539
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: What am I doing? So I so I just joined

540
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Speaker 1: him and went across the country, up and down the

541
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Speaker 1: East coast, and then uh, I we came back and

542
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: at some point I split off from him and came

543
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: back to Idaho, uh on my own. So that was

544
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of cool. First experience, you know, a week or

545
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: so alone that was kind of neat. And then uh,

546
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know, I guess just a sense

547
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: of adventure or something trying to switch it up. Well, yes,

548
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a lot of foreshadowing in that,

549
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: because you're now well known for being on a show

550
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: called alone. But all right, yeah, it seems like it

551
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: was see it seemed like that, you know, we'll get

552
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to the show because I want to talk about that,

553
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: of course, but it seems like that's just a little

554
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: bit a part of who you are, man, because there's

555
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: not a lot of people that would follow that wander

556
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: lust and literally just jump on a train and see

557
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: where it took you. Yeah, you didn't run into a

558
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: lot of other passengers. There wasn't like a first class

559
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, they weren't very crowded. Maybe in the twenties, no,

560
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: but the uh yeah, it's definitely, definitely, especially when you're

561
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: young like that, you can kind of get stuck just

562
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: doing a job and it's like, well, why why am

563
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: I doing this? I'm not you know, I didn't have

564
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: a family to support or anything. I might as well

565
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: fill up some experiences, and you know, one thing leads

566
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: to another and ended up in Virginia and ended up

567
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, heading to Russia and all that stuff. It's

568
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: all kind of I guess it's just kind of off

569
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: the coat tails of riding the trains. Really, Yeah, that's what. Yeah,

570
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: that's it seems like your story kind of started there.

571
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: And then what's what's interesting to me is that you

572
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: kept on just like taking the opportunities. I think that

573
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people wouldn't take right because

574
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: you took this opportunity. You ended up in Virginia. I

575
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: think that was a conscious choice I made at some

576
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: point when I was young. I was like you know,

577
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say yes to all the experiences at

578
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: this point in my life because I knew I had

579
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I could, you know, I think I did, and uh yeah,

580
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: it took me on in a bit of a journey

581
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. I mean, I think the coolest stories

582
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: come from your time in Russia, um, with the Vankie

583
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: people and and all this stuff. And this is a

584
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: pretty it's a precursor to what people will know you from.

585
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: But how did you get over there in the first place.

586
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: It was actually kind of a convoluted story that I,

587
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, have one brother who's adopted and he found

588
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: his biological family, and he had a biological brother who

589
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: was going to go to Russia, and he kind of

590
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: invited me to come over and help build this orphanage

591
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: with this missionary guy, and I said, sure, you know,

592
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, but I actually I was gonna win all

593
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: in kind of I just got to The longest you

594
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: could get a visa for at the time was for

595
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: a year, So I just got a year long visa

596
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: and headed over to Russia, not really knowing what to

597
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: expect it all, and tried to learn a few you know,

598
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: some Russian and then when I got there, I kind

599
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: of got into the deep end because I actually went

600
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: to live with the Russian family as opposed to that

601
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: missionary guy, and spent the better part of the year

602
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: with them, trying to learn the language and just living

603
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: in a Russian village with some villagers cutting hay with

604
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: size and you know, they don't have hay bales. They

605
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: stack them in those piles still like we used to

606
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: be back in the day, you know. Yeah, I mean

607
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I feel like there's ever you know, it's situations with

608
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: people that just follow what where life takes them. Like

609
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: do you ever look around when you're in a Russian

610
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: village and go like whoa, oh, yeah, how did I

611
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: get here? Doing here? Yeah? Definitely definitely, And you know,

612
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: of all the villages, why this one random village dropped

613
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: in those central Siberia, Like how did this happen? So? Yeah,

614
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: described the described the village and kind of the people

615
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: you were with, because I think that the folks you're

616
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: with had an interesting past. Yeah. So the family I

617
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: lived with, there were two families in the village that

618
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: they kind of bounced between. They both liked having me

619
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: there because, like, you know, free labor and stuff just know,

620
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: and they were just fun guys, but they were both

621
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: both the men of the household, had been imprisoned together,

622
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: so they had got real close in prison, and you know,

623
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: the one guy was just covered in those Russian prison

624
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: tattoos and then the other guy wasn't. But they had

625
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: both spent the good seven or eight years in prison

626
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: and had some crazy stories and stuff from there. But

627
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: then they had also you know, been in prison with

628
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: a vinky native guy from the far North, and that

629
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: was that connection. But yeah, just in that Russian village, man,

630
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: it was actually pretty cool, you know, pretty simple, and

631
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: there was a lot of haynd milking the cow in

632
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: the morning, uh, planting your potato, you know, doing all

633
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: their gardening, kind of the classic stuff you might expect, firewood, uh,

634
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: just wandering around the village or actually for being like

635
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: a village of say, I don't remember how many it

636
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: was at thot might be a thousand people in it,

637
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: but it's pretty active. You know, people don't sit around

638
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: inside very much. Even it's it'll be negative forty before

639
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: they even closed the school, so at negative thirty eight degrees,

640
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, all the kids walking to school and stuff,

641
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: and everybody's outside. It's actually pretty cool. You know, it's

642
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. I liked I liked it. Russian village.

643
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: Lie was there when you're living in the village, Was

644
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: there outdoor skills and hunting things like at that time

645
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: where you're like a lot it was more like farming

646
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: type stuff. Yeah, it was more this little village farm

647
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Stuff's say, the hunting. That is one cool thing about

648
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: that makes you appreciate America and our conservation and stuff

649
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: is you know, Siberia is huge, but around every village

650
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: there's just a massive dead zone because anything that comes

651
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: near it gets shot, you know. So it's it's nice

652
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: to have the management that we have over here because

653
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: it actually does just produce more animals around. And of

654
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: course that's also having an affluent society, you know, because

655
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: not everybody that sees a deers like, oh I got

656
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: that's the value the value system, like I gotta kill it.

657
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: I'd like there to be more than just one or

658
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: two of them, right right. Oh yeah, So eventually you

659
00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: you left there or like migrated, eventually that that friend

660
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: they had, they'd always tell me, oh, you got to

661
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: go up north to Eura and you know, meet them,

662
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: and eventually he came down to sell some furs and

663
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: invited me to come and live with them, and and yeah,

664
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: long story short. I went up there and he he

665
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: is not actually a nomad like you know, like where

666
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: my story leads obviously, but he's a fur trapper. And

667
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: so he had this giant territory that he had somehow

668
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: acquired after the Soviet Union. Felt that was his like

669
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: personal trapping lands. And so he would take me out

670
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: there and you know, and he showed me the ropes

671
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: on trapping. We'd go to these back you know, deep

672
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: deep rivers and fish and you know, pack as many

673
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: fish as you could in your backpack and lug him out.

674
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: And then like it was pretty cool. And then and

675
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: then yeah, come winter, you know, he kind of showed

676
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: me the ropes and then letting me loose on one

677
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: section of his his uh territory to open up these

678
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: old trap lines that hadn't been used in decades there.

679
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: You know, so it was pretty intense. And that was

680
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: that was That was a longer period there there. I

681
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: was about five weeks alone, and but you know it

682
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: actually went pretty well. It was pretty cool. I really

683
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: liked it. It was what was it November October November

684
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: in Siberia. Out there, you're just out there in the

685
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. How cold? How cold is it that

686
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: I would get pretty cold November started starting to hit.

687
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't actually remember. It's not like I had a

688
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: thermostat or anything. I just it was cold. I did

689
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: I know. The coldest that got while I was in

690
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: Siberia with that was with the nomads, but that was

691
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: negative fifty eight or so. So so the first trade

692
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: what was the first trader's name again, the first trapper

693
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: guy was Euro. So when you meet in Euro when

694
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: you're you're in Siberia, like, what when you first lay

695
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: eyes on this guy, does he look like you know

696
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: this this because these people are kind of famous for

697
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: reindeer hurting and the look that they have. Did he

698
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: still have that look or did he look well, he's

699
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: got that. He looks like more Mongolian then he does Russian,

700
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: you know. So he's got that style of look. And

701
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: he actually was a cobbler, so he makes reindeer for

702
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: boots and stuff, so he's always got reindeer on. He's

703
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: always wearing some first stuff and so in that way, yeah,

704
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: but on the other hand, he's also lives in a village,

705
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: so he's got more like he's more like, uh, I

706
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: don't know, refined. He wasn't like he wasn't like texting

707
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: on his blackbert or anything like that. Exactly exactly he

708
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: was texting. So did you guys, You guys got along

709
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean obviously by then, well I got

710
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: By then I had learned the language pretty well. That

711
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: was probably a year so into my time being there,

712
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I'd learned it pretty well, and we

713
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: were pretty comfortable. And oh and I'm yeah, I lived

714
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: with them a lot. So in between every time i'd

715
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: go even to the natives that stop at yours first

716
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: and spending weeks with him, and uh, we'd usually go

717
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: out and do some fishing trip or do some stuff

718
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: like that. We also long, you know, we worked on

719
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: projects the job they're trying to Like, he's really aware

720
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: of his people and his culture and their plight, and

721
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: so he's always you know, he was thinking about ways

722
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: to try to help revive their culture and help his

723
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: friends who were stuck in like alcoholism stuff, trying to

724
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: like get back into their ways. And and so I

725
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: would partner with him on trying little projects here and

726
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: there like that. So we were pretty close and still are,

727
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, but well he must have trusted you a

728
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: lot to like let you loose on this trapping ground.

729
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Huh oh, yeah, I guess he thought either they get

730
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: nobody got nothing to lose. Yeah, worst case scenario, nothing happens.

731
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: Did you feel like when you're when that you first

732
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: encountered that, was that your first time spent a lot

733
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: of time outdoors alone? Yeah? That was that was the

734
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: probably the longest stretch. They were definitely at that time

735
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: just alone. There's not that many other good reasons to

736
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: be that alone that long in the woods, you know,

737
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: like so unless you're just trying it out. But but yeah, yeah,

738
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of came naturally. And but in this

739
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: case you had a mission, right like you were going

740
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: to run and now out a mission, which was nice

741
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: because it kept you busy. I definitely every morning, wake

742
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: up as soon as there was any light and get

743
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: on your like snow Siberian like snow skis and just

744
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: start heading out and you wouldn't get back in until

745
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: after well after dark. You know, they're long, long nights.

746
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: So and you were building shelters there too, or well

747
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: you generally they'd have like a little hunting cabin and

748
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: each if you picture like a spider web, every hunting

749
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: cabin has all these line runs off of it, and

750
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: each run takes like a half a day to get

751
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: out and a half a day to get back. And

752
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: and so you go to a hunting cabin and open

753
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: up those five trap lines, spend a week there or whatever,

754
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: and then and then maybe another day's full day hike

755
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: to your next cabin, and you do the same, and

756
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: you kind of had three cabins and like kind of

757
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: a triangle, and it's been the time doing that. It

758
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: was actually really cool. I'm like Google and all this

759
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: stuff now I might be playing at a trip because

760
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: definitely seems awesome. Have you seen we might I don't

761
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: remember if we talked about the Joe Rogan butt that

762
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: Happy People documentary. It might be worth watching. It's it's

763
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: called Happy People and it's on you know, YouTube and stuff.

764
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: But it's about for trapping in Siberia. It's basically what

765
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: we were doing. It's super and that's it was filmed

766
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: not far from us, and really it was what were

767
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: you trapping? Mainly up there Sable That's all really the

768
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: whole thing, like fine Martins, Yeah, yeah, trade what kind

769
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: of traps foot traps mostly, and then some like they

770
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: have some these they're called the kolomka, which is like

771
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: a wooden contraption, you know, like before they had foot traps,

772
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: they had those, and now when I did it, it

773
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: was like all his old trap lines. He hadn't run

774
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: for years, so it's all old, broken down stuff. Now

775
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: when they set up new ones that use the more

776
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: humane like, yeah, during that time, Like one of the

777
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: things I wanted to talk about because we talked about

778
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: this on the show before. When I go out into

779
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: the woods for any length of time, whether I'm alone

780
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: or with a single person, it doesn't really matter. It's

781
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: kind of just the idea that there's no modern convenience, right,

782
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: there's no there's nothing to fall back on. It's you

783
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: and what you can do. Yeah. And if I didn't know,

784
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: of course at the time about any of the garments stuff,

785
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: you know, or even you know, I didn't even have

786
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: a compass or anything. I was just out there. But no, yeah,

787
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: I go ahead, what follow your thought throughout? Yeah, I

788
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: mean I think that I've always kind of wanted to

789
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: get inside people's heads that can do that. And there's

790
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: two two sides of it, right, one the doing of

791
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: it right, the skills and the self relying and you know,

792
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: understanding your own abilities. And then there's the going back

793
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: to modernity and like and having to deal with and

794
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: I think they cover this and alone a good bit

795
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: um about having to go back now to society and

796
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: how hard it is to to see an email come in,

797
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: or to sit in traffic, or the existential threats and

798
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: stuff we have in modern society. Did you ever, It

799
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like you ever considered that early on, Like

800
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: it was just you were just out there doing it.

801
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Was it's definitely something you kind of noticed. I never

802
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: in all the times I went, you know, my wife's

803
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: from New York City, so I would go from the

804
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: most remote place on earth, and the day later I'd

805
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: fly back and be in New York. And I can't

806
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: say I ever really noticed culture shock that much. Oddly enough,

807
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the way I don't know, the way

808
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: I am or something, but I it wasn't, you know,

809
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: kind of felt normal. I don't know, it's I guess

810
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: I expected it. But I will say when I leave

811
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: those four situations there's definitely a part of me that

812
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: dreads though. Oh man, here comes messages and then and

813
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: things to do. Everything there's just so directly related to

814
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: your needs. It's so nice. You know, you don't have

815
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: to It's it's just how we're meant to be, how

816
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: we're wired to be. It's like and you, yeah, you

817
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: know it because you've experienced it. I'm sure it's just like, yeah,

818
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's just how you're meant to be. And

819
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: I I don't know how else to explain it, but

820
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: your whole mind is wired to live that way, and

821
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: you're kind of in an odd situation in modern life.

822
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: It's actually weird to experience that way of life and

823
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: then not really be able to recreate it, Like you know,

824
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: here I am in my house and you know, it

825
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: can protect yourself from the elements and this, and it's comfort,

826
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: but it doesn't add to like your fullness of life

827
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: in any way. It's and yeah, it just it just

828
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: seems it makes things seem silly. It makes just it

829
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: makes modern life seems silly in so many ways when

830
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: you just understand, like you said, you kind of like

831
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: you're living by need. I'm hungry, well, I've got better.

832
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: I better learn how to get food. Yeah, I better learned. Yeah, yep,

833
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and you can't. You're not gonna overeat because it would

834
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: make no sense. You're not gonna take it like you're

835
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: not gonna you don't let your mind never gets a

836
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: chance to vege out as we do, like like watching TV.

837
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: So there's just so much that right you think about

838
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: I was all that. I was fascinated on that end.

839
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: We're always so distracted here. You don't get very deep

840
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: in your thoughts. In the wilderness, you get incredibly deep,

841
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: and especially when you're alone and there's just no distractions.

842
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: It's amazing what you think of me in your dreams

843
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: are more vivid and your uh, yeah, it's it's interesting.

844
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: It's more more connected to the human experience for some reason. Yeah,

845
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it's your story is interesting

846
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: because this is a good nice turn to take, like

847
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: when you really like bought into this life and and

848
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: spend more time. Yeah. So the uh, you're at some point,

849
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't remember the timeline exactly about at some point

850
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: he was like, well, I'm gonna take you out to

851
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: my you know, we have gotten clo and he trusted

852
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: me and all that. So he just took me out

853
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: to his cousins who were all nomadic of inky reindeer herders,

854
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: and uh took me out on a snowmobile, dropped me

855
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: off at the tepee and like vouched for me to

856
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: the guys and took off. And I was just I

857
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, but they took me in

858
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: right away. Uh they because they had to have your

859
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: vouch for me. It was just they were just like

860
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: immediately started making jokes, you know, like don't fart in

861
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: the teepee and no, no, no, no, you know, just

862
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: being dorks and uh yeah, they took me right in

863
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: and went and went pretty smoothly. And then it was

864
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: fenced building seasons, so we got right to work. But

865
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: I feel like they were just all talking about you, like,

866
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: we got this guy. He's great at working and he'll

867
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: do anything. He's fun to be around. We'll ship him around.

868
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: It just pass him around. He's gonna be great. And

869
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: so we got some free food. Cash is built out

870
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: of every time I went there. The first time I

871
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: went there, one of the native guys, you know that

872
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: right when after they dropped me off, one of our

873
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: first projects. He was in the process of building a

874
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: food cash and in elevated platform and then he showed

875
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: me how to do it, and I did a lot

876
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: of work and he was like, wow, he really liked

877
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: how it turned out. So then every time I went back,

878
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: you'd always have me build a new several of those

879
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: things over there. But yeah, it's good. You want to

880
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: be helpful to the people you're with. And of course, Kenn,

881
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: you just just describe what it is to live with

882
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: reindeer herders, because I know there there's some specific things

883
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: about the Evenki that aren't common with other reindeer herding,

884
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, tribes and other natives. Yeah, I mean yeah,

885
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean they still it is still like they live

886
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: in tepees and they're out in the forest. I know.

887
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: The Evenki are one of the few reindeer herders that

888
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: ride their reindeer in the summer like horses, you know.

889
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: So so that's something unique to them, which is I'm

890
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. And they wait, let me, I gotta stop you.

891
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: You have to just just describe for everyone the first

892
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: time you saw in the banky reindeered herd or just

893
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: riding the reindeer round like I shaid that first time

894
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: when they dropped me off and some of the guys

895
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: had been out searching for the reindeer. They're major and

896
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: they're big herd. And then you know, they came riding

897
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: back in. They got there like homemade hide ropes on

898
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: them and stuff, and riding on their reindeer with their

899
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: big beautiful antlers and stuff. You're just like, dang, that

900
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: is cool. You know. I didn't even know these people

901
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: existed like that. It was alsome. It was all new

902
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: to me kind of and uh uh yeah, it was

903
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: fascinating they and then they of course put me on

904
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: there and it that fell right off. They have those

905
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: uh their saddles sit on there and they're really loose.

906
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: They're not like strapped on like a horse saddle. And

907
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: you don't have stirrups, so you're kind of just using

908
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: your body to balance. And uh and I definitely plenty

909
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: of times over the years. And so you are you

910
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: do you have reins or you have are you hanging

911
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: on the MP? You have one it's a one rope system,

912
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: so it's just you have one dots called but it's

913
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: a and then it's not in their mouth. It's just

914
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: a bone on their forehead, so you can pull it

915
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: this way and pull it that way and it pushes

916
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: their head. Yeah. Did you have correspondence with your family

917
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: during this time? Were you able to like not while

918
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: I was out there, just be out there and then

919
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: come back and you know, did they ever say, like,

920
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: where where's Jordan at? Is he riding reindeer? Like I hope? So,

921
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they did or not be nice

922
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: of hopefully across their minds at some point where he

923
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: at least Siberia. Now, I think they were pretty okay

924
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: with it. I think they felt, like, you know, I

925
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: was in my purpose or whatever, doing what I felt

926
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be doing. So yeah, so what

927
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: did you what did you learn? What you learned about

928
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: yourself there? Like and you know this because this has

929
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: to be it's a chanceformedive time in your life. I'm

930
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: sure just the age you were, because how old were

931
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: you at this point? Oh? I was probably m twenty

932
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: four or something when I first hooked up with the

933
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: natives up there. Yeah yeah, yeah, I guess so. Yeah,

934
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: I was probably wearing a suit and tie. Started my

935
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: career an outdoor journalist, thinking that was gonna be some

936
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: hotshot reporter was working pretty good, that's all right, you know,

937
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: cutting up Antelope interviewing you came back. Um, but you're

938
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: twenty four. This is a time where a lot of

939
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing stuff like this, but

940
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: not quite that a lot consciously where I was like, man,

941
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: I should be trying to like what am I doing?

942
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: I should be getting a career or like finding a

943
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: wife for something. What am I doing out here? But

944
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: but I just felt really called. I feel ever felt

945
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: like it was the place for me, and uh and

946
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: it was. And I learned a lot. I mean, you

947
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: learned so much. And it's it's there, it's a lot.

948
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: It's the idealism of it wears off pretty quickly, and

949
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: you see the alcoholisms, and you're seeing suicides all the

950
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: time and all kinds of I mean, quite frankly, it's

951
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: a pretty brutal over there in in ways. And so

952
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: then you like want to try to help, and you

953
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: try to help in this way and that way and

954
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: this way, and a lot of times it doesn't really

955
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: pan out, and sometimes it does you kind of you know,

956
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: it slaps you in the face with reality a lot,

957
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: and you know it's from the outside, it looks really

958
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: amazing and it is really amazing, but there's so many

959
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: issues too, and uh, it helps you. You mature pretty fast,

960
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: you know watching. Yeah, I mean I think here, that's

961
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: interesting you say that because there's a guy named Doug

962
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: about Clark, who we had on who you've spent three

963
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: years living with um whale hunters and in the Far Pacific,

964
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: and he described the same thing where it seemed like

965
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: in the beginning he really wanted to like take a

966
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: shirt off, jump on the ocean with a spear, and

967
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: he was feeling the primal nature of it. Then after

968
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: a while he started to know the people and see

969
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: their struggle with modernity, and the younger kids had cell

970
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: phones and wanted to go into town, and the elders

971
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: wanted to keep the traditions. So did you see that

972
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: It sounds like you might say something, Yeah, yeah, it's

973
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: uh when my wife, my wife went over there with

974
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: me and she described it well, and then it feels

975
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: like there's just a damn with the thousand holes, and

976
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: you just try to plug one and there's another one.

977
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: You know, as far as like their culture surviving, and

978
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: I really hope it does. And I think it can,

979
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: but I also think it is on the brink like

980
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: that because they have a lot of the a lot

981
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: of them. For one, the women don't want to go

982
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: out in the woods and live out there as much

983
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: as the men. Quite frankly, they're there, don't have as

984
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: cool of a time out there because they mostly are

985
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: in the tps and beating and cooking food, whereas the

986
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: guys are always out hunting and trapping and so um.

987
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: So there's fewer women that want to go out there.

988
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: But then because a lot a lot of the guys

989
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: will stay in the village. But usually the less you know,

990
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: the less motivated guys would be the most alcoholic, but

991
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 1: they'll be the ones getting the women, while the coolest

992
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: dudes you know, are out there in the forest reindeer

993
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: hurting and like doing awesome stuff, but they don't have

994
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: any partners. And so then, yeah, the draw of the

995
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: village is very strong. But when you're in the village,

996
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: everybody just drinks. And that's the way it's been for

997
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: a long time. So they're just this cycle and as people,

998
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: they're just the alcoholism is off the charts, like even

999
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: on a Russian standard, it's just the Yeah, I mean,

1000
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: that's a it's it's interesting because it's a When I

1001
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: think of it, I think, man, I wish I could

1002
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: live like that. And even when we're talking about I

1003
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: go out and hunting for six days and I come

1004
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: back home and I just think, Man, the pool there, Yeah,

1005
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: the pushpool. This sucks because I would love to just

1006
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: stay there. But but this where I what I built here,

1007
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: this real comfortable thing is awesome. I really love this too.

1008
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Um So it sounds like they have the same push pool.

1009
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: It's so cool. I mean, yeah, it's it's really interesting

1010
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: to see that way of life and see that it

1011
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: can be. I mean, in a lot of ways it

1012
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: can be better than our modern way of life. But

1013
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: there there's this awkward period I feel like where it's

1014
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: like somehow it's got to survive through this this uncomfortable

1015
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: transition period. Like I wish there would have been more

1016
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: Native American cultures that were saved to today when people

1017
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: would appreciate it, you know what I'm saying, Like because

1018
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds, not enough outsiders appreciated and

1019
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: like stood up for it. But the natives that lived

1020
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: those ways really liked it, you know. They wanted to

1021
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: continue those ways, but they they couldn't, and then it

1022
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: got lost and now it's kind of gone and you

1023
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: can't really bring it back. Well, it feels like in

1024
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: the over there it's similar, except it's not gone yet,

1025
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: but you're just but you know, the young guys don't

1026
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And it's like even the word reindeer

1027
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: herder and rush can kind of be like an insult.

1028
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: You know. It's like so so it's not like esteemed yet,

1029
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like it will be. And when it is,

1030
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: they have a lot of opportunities even to economically grow

1031
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: and stuff that The problem is, it's like the alcoholism

1032
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: and it's such a one sided issue they have. Like

1033
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: the people are so nice and so cool, hard working

1034
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: all this and that, and then it's just alcoholism. That's

1035
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: like seems like it's it's so weird. It's like it's

1036
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like it's not like in the States where people

1037
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: have to you know, you don't you feel like, I

1038
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: don't know, someone might not drink, but they don't know,

1039
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: you know, they might have other issues. It's like over

1040
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: there just seems like, well that's the issue. You know,

1041
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: It's it's odd do you think that's Is it a

1042
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: cultural issue or is it a genetic issue or do

1043
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: you feel like it's a good question, right, I think

1044
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: it's probably both. Like I think it probably I imagine

1045
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: genetics play a role, but I also, you know, you

1046
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: could explain a lot of it just by the way

1047
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: their their cultural path followed forced collectivisation during the Soviet Union,

1048
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: and then the the aftermath of that was just they

1049
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: became dependent kind of on the government, which for a

1050
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: while worked because the Soviet Union put a lot of

1051
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: money towards them, kind of invested in it. But then

1052
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: when it collapsed, you know, it was just it was

1053
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: one generational hit during force collectivization and a second generational

1054
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: hit when it all collapsed. And then it's like there's

1055
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: just not a lot left of it. All the Shamans

1056
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: were sent to prison camps and all the like the rich,

1057
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, reindeer herders, anyone that had five reindeer sent

1058
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: to prison camps, you know, and it was just the

1059
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: dumbest stuff. And uh, and then when it was privatized,

1060
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: the same thing happened. Like it was the Russians just

1061
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: came in and bought all the reindeer and butchered them

1062
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: all and sent them to meat shops because they had

1063
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: the assets to purchase them, whereas the natives didn't. And

1064
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: so they had spent all the you know, their generations

1065
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: building these herds, and they just bought and anyway just

1066
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: slop the rough stuff. So that could explain a lot

1067
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: of the alcoholism. But I think it's repeated. It's repeated

1068
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: through history so much in different ways. But if you

1069
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: if you listen to or read the book Sapiens, I

1070
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: was listening to that. I was listening to that audiobook

1071
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: in the way back from a hand up and they

1072
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: talk about, Yeah, they talk about the author talks about

1073
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: this idea of the change from hunter gatherer civilizations to agriculture,

1074
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, thousand years ago we go, we go from

1075
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: this idea that the sick and the elderly would be

1076
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: killed and the young men and some of these native

1077
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: tribes around the world would their job would be to

1078
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: kill the slow, the sick, the week, the elderly, because

1079
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: if you couldn't move, you couldn't you couldn't live, um

1080
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: and that and that those harsh conditions. But then when

1081
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: we started to have agriculture, we started to settle we

1082
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: started to life started to get easier in some ways,

1083
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: but then we cultivated disease and and and some of

1084
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: the diseases of in Sapiens too. I can't remember which

1085
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: book I was reading, Uh, it might have been Sapients,

1086
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: but where he talked about the point that the quiet, honestly,

1087
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: until maybe really recently, hunting gatherer culture has probably had

1088
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: a higher like life satisfaction than the people that lived

1089
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: in these like you know, medieval Russian. Yeah, I put it.

1090
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: I've seen it put multiple ways, but that's the way

1091
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: that in Sapiens it goes that that that he more

1092
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: of fantizes and kind of says, hey, look, if the

1093
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: people that lived in these hunter gatherer societies were more fulfilled,

1094
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: they might not have lived long lives, they might have

1095
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: died young, but they truly did live just like you

1096
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: were saying when you were alone. Yeah, you're living off kneeds,

1097
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: You're living off you know you There is more Darwinism.

1098
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: The healthy survive the week do not. Well. What's weird

1099
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: now is that we could almost have the best of

1100
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: both worlds, right because now we don't have to die

1101
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: if we have a bad hunt. You know what I'm saying,

1102
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: like we can, we can have noodles start up and

1103
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, like now they're safety nets. But the problem

1104
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: is that we don't have almost any of that culture

1105
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: left to like revive you know, like, yeah, it's tough.

1106
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean there is there is a there's something that

1107
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: you can do. And people that listen to this podcast

1108
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: now that I have the the life Knife analogy where

1109
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, if you go out in the woods,

1110
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: it sharpens you in a way that you can deal

1111
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: with everything else in your life so much better. And

1112
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: if you're in like a nine to five cubicle job,

1113
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: it dolls you up in a way that you just

1114
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: can't deal with a lot of stuff. You get existential

1115
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: stress and these things. But just three or four days

1116
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: in the in the woods alone is enough to just

1117
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: give you. Yeah, it's it's like and also gives you

1118
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: a little inkling of what it was like to think

1119
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: that way and act that way, and and that's enough

1120
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: I think to kind of balance things where where maybe

1121
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: they weren't balanced before. Yeah, that'd be cool for people

1122
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: to do, just like just get out there. Like even

1123
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: if you don't you know, you can take supplies. You

1124
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: don't have to starve for a week, but go out

1125
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: for a week and see where your mind goes and

1126
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: stuff like you might realize even in your you know,

1127
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: where your issues are that you need to deal with

1128
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: when you get back out, you know, because they might

1129
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: start popping up in your head, like, oh jeez, this

1130
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: this this. Well. It's also that if you if you've

1131
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: ever taken things for granted, if you take the taste

1132
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: of a cheeseburger for granted, try going out and not

1133
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: having one for a long time and then and then

1134
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: coming back and get a chance at one. And I

1135
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: would hope you would appreciate maybe not Well, the hunt

1136
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: win things, that's right, that's right. Well, what else? What

1137
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: else from your time do you banky? Because eventually this

1138
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: this you talk about it a lot in the show alone.

1139
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a big part of why he probably

1140
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: won the show. But what else did you learn? What

1141
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: else do you want people to know from that time,

1142
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: because it's it's a unique thing that you went through. Yeah,

1143
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: that's a pretty broad broad Uh, there is so much

1144
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: that I learned, really and it was interesting. I don't know,

1145
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: life's just a path and so I at the time,

1146
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: I was, like I said earlier, I was seeking out

1147
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: certain experiences and this and that, and then you and

1148
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: then you learned that all experiences aren't all that it's

1149
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: all about, because I'm going to forget those anyways. So

1150
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: then you try to think get on a deeper level, like, okay,

1151
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: well relationships matter and the love expressed to these people,

1152
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: and then you and then you roll with that, you know,

1153
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: and so and then you sometimes even in that, you

1154
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: get a little bit uh disappointed or something, what's the

1155
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: right word, But you know, you get let down because

1156
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: somebody invest a lot in you know, all of a sudden,

1157
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: Oh they just shot themselves. Well that sucks, you know.

1158
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: And then are you like, or you know that my

1159
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: wife's good friend over there, the lady that reached out

1160
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: to my wife the most, they connected really well, she

1161
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago just drank too much and

1162
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: froze to death. And you're just like, well, man, all

1163
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: that relationship invested, you know, and it just makes you

1164
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: think about that. And then but that's what you That's

1165
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: what I fall back on is that that's what's important

1166
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: is investing in people, in relationships and lives and move

1167
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: forward with that. And that goes with here or in

1168
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: Siberia or wherever you are. You know that experiences are

1169
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: great too, but really that yeah, and there's no no

1170
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: matter how simple life is, you know, you would imagine

1171
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: and a thank you reindeer heard her, their life would

1172
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: be labeled as simple based on our standards. And no

1173
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: matter how simple of your life is, you don't escape

1174
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: human problems and the human reality that everybody struggles. They

1175
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: have some rough stories over there, and it could go

1176
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: on about those, but yeah, it's a it is. It's hard,

1177
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: and they still have the I still have all the

1178
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: human struggle. But yeah, again, it's a weird thing. It's

1179
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: so weird because it just seems so their advice or

1180
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: whatever their problem seems so one dimensional. It's like, oh,

1181
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: it's just the alcohol. It's like other than that, it's

1182
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: like they're awesome people, hard work and don't that. But

1183
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: suicide rate, you know, like one out of three people

1184
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: die from suicide, accident or murder over there, it's like

1185
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: it's insane. It's like I don't know well, and then

1186
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: you have these small immunities right where and I it's

1187
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: just it's just man, I'd love to really know or

1188
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: or try to suss out. Is it is it the

1189
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: alcoholism of despair? Because I've had some alcoholics in my

1190
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: family and it was never it never felt like I

1191
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: wasn't super close to it. My uncle died for on alcoholism,

1192
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: but it just felt like it was never even in

1193
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: it manifests itself in like socially being drunk all the time.

1194
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was despair involved, but it didn't seem

1195
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna drink myself to death. It just says

1196
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: like I drink a lot. I drink a lot. I

1197
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: drink a lot. Oh man, Yeah, yeah, it's all you

1198
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: know what. I've not been able to parse it completely.

1199
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: Like sometimes it just blows my mind because you know,

1200
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: somebody will have a lot going for him and it's

1201
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: just they just drink it away. And then sometimes it's

1202
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: completely explicable, like oh, this guy's you know, third wife

1203
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: just died, so I wonder he's depressed, and you know

1204
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of there's both. It runs

1205
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: the gamut, you know, but maybe that sometimes it makes

1206
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: you wonder like is it you know, is there a

1207
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: propensity for it? There must be some of that at

1208
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: play too. I just don't know, but yeah, it's got

1209
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: there has to be something in Paul. But when so

1210
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: eventually you left. Have you gone back? I had a kid,

1211
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: so my wife was over there when she was pregnant

1212
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: and now I got a daughter's four and she was

1213
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, born in the States, and we've been here

1214
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: ever since. We actually wanted to go back this fall,

1215
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: but of course it was coronavirus, so that was really closed.

1216
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: But we stay in contact with them and stuff. I'm

1217
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: still in touch talking. I talked to your a couple

1218
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: of days ago. Yeah, so we're planning to go back.

1219
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was gonna say, you intend to have

1220
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: them more offensive now I got all these extra kids. Yeah,

1221
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I got a four year old two

1222
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: and in a nine months, Yeah, tickets just doubled all

1223
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: the time. Fights are a little more expensive before, and

1224
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: the food definitely, and the screaming. Yeah, it's all tougher now. No,

1225
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: but I do I want to. I'm gonna make a

1226
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, we're making a point of staying connected over there,

1227
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: and then that's good. Well, when you get back the

1228
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: first time, what did you do next? I mean, obviously, uh,

1229
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: you had a lot of a lot of experience, but

1230
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: you did, like you said, you hadn't really started a

1231
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: life in America. Yeah. Well, fortunately on one of my

1232
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: trips back, you know, because I've come back to States,

1233
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: earned money working and then head back to Russia and

1234
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: kind of spend it. And that's kind of what I

1235
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: did for ten years, spent like five year some total

1236
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: in Russia and then uh. But during some of those

1237
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: times back, I had met who you know, my wife,

1238
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: and and we got married on one of my trips back,

1239
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: and then she went over with me for a winter

1240
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: with the natives and then the summer, and then uh,

1241
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: and then we had the baby, came back and and yeah,

1242
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: I was just kind of doing the usual, you know,

1243
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: the usual thing. I was renovating some houses and and

1244
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: I was actually building a driveway when uh alone called

1245
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: because I had watched Alone, you know, and I you know,

1246
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, I could do that. Thought of that,

1247
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: that's all I think. I'm like, that's a nice little

1248
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: house she built there, but I would have probably had

1249
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: an annex. Then a bathtub I've built out of. Well,

1250
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: i'd recommend you for the show. I'd say, they throw

1251
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: you on there. My wife. Don't tell my wife when

1252
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: my wife watches it with him she like, you want

1253
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: to be on there, don't you. I was like, yeah,

1254
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: I do. Anyway, I was sending my little application and

1255
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: a link to my YouTube videos, you know, living with

1256
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: the Natives and stuff, because I had filmed a lot

1257
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: of it. I'm not crappy little camera, but the and

1258
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: I think they watched it. But I forgot that I

1259
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: had applied, and and they didn't contact me for like

1260
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: three years. And now I was just working on that

1261
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: driveway and they called me out of the blue and

1262
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: wanted me to come on. It's like, oh that you

1263
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: followed the show. Uh, you know, I had watched the

1264
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: first two seasons at once, Like my buddy told me

1265
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: about him, and we binge watched him, and that's when

1266
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: I sent it in the application, and then I don't,

1267
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: I didn't. I kind of forgot about it through seasons

1268
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: three and four, and then I remembered it and then

1269
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 1: uh watched them all again, you know, like I was

1270
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: caught up. By the time I went out there, I'd

1271
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: watched them all. It was a cool show. I don't

1272
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: really watch a lot of TV, but it was the

1273
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: only show that I would be like, oh, I forgot

1274
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: about that show. I got watched that. So my Yeah,

1275
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: my dad called me and said, have you seen this

1276
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: show alone? I said, no, it's not my thing, man,

1277
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: because when I watched that, I'm just like, this is

1278
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: so full of ship and this is this reality TV.

1279
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: There's usually crazy people on there and and I so

1280
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: I resisted it for so long. It was on Netflix

1281
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: and it would always suggest it to me. You know,

1282
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: it's like in the algorithm, Hey, you want to watch this,

1283
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: you should watch this, watch this. I'm like, no, I'm

1284
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: not watching that. But finally, just like you watched seasons

1285
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: one and two, I started binging it in the middle

1286
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: of the night when I couldn't sleep, and then two

1287
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: weeks later I'm like, damn, I'm watching this every night.

1288
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: It's a great show. Man. Um, I take back everything

1289
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: I thought about about the show, because they do I mean,

1290
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: they do the normal reality show things they do. They

1291
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 1: do the editing into this, into that, and the drama.

1292
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: It's all there. But it's all there. But you guys,

1293
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: so give people the story. What's happening is real? Yeah, Like,

1294
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: what is the show if you would describe it, Oh,

1295
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 1: it's just it's a show where they get ten people

1296
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: and drop them off separately with no cameraman. You're just

1297
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: by yourself, and you have ten basic items like not

1298
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: a gun, but like a bow and arrow and yeah

1299
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: for sparking fires. And I'll say ten guns a gun

1300
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: and ten round nothing else, I'll be fine. So you're

1301
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: really out there with not much and you basically film

1302
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: yourself and uh, they come and give you new batteries

1303
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: and check your footage and make sure you're not medically

1304
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: unable to continue every once in a while, and other

1305
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: than that, you're just out there and it's whoever last

1306
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: the longest wins basically, So and what do they was

1307
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: They obviously call you and say we want to we

1308
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: want you to be on the show, and then what's

1309
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: the conversation? They think, we're gonna come get you and

1310
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: we're gonna take you and trap you. We're not gonna

1311
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: tell you where or well I knew the premise of

1312
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: the show, so yeah, I kind of knew that's what

1313
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: was in the cards, but they didn't tell you where

1314
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: you were going to be until a couple of weeks

1315
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: before you know the flyout dates, so you don't have

1316
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: a ton of time to think about it and prepare.

1317
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, and then they take you out there.

1318
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: You got a week or so learning how to film

1319
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: yourself and do camera work, and then they fly out

1320
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: on a helicopter and drop you off with your stuff

1321
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: and leave, and you're just like, wow, this is weird. Yeah,

1322
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: this is the show. It's like you're just out in

1323
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. You've never scouted this place, you

1324
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: have no idea, Like you wouldn't have chosen to That

1325
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: was what I stuck out to me, is like I

1326
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: just wouldn't have chosen this spot, Like why am I here?

1327
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: You know what? I was mad? I was mad watching

1328
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't they have ONYX maps, Like why can't

1329
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: they choose a spot that's like has a nice little uh,

1330
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, a little deep shoreline or something would be nice. Yeah,

1331
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: fishing hole would have been sweet and a nice little

1332
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: bog for the moose to hang out. So yeah, you

1333
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: got all the things you think about that you know,

1334
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: never like you picture it. So but then you get

1335
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: there go ahead, well no, they so what did you pick?

1336
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: What were your ten things? And like? And why I

1337
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: should be able to rattle these off really easy and

1338
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: ask for sure because like nuvinky as they would say,

1339
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: that's the one tool you need to live in the woods,

1340
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: Like if you have an ax, you might be able

1341
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: to make it without anything else. Definitely need an ax. Uh.

1342
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: That's one oh one. And then a saw I took,

1343
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: which was kind of I was really on the fence,

1344
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: like I never really used the saw on the woods

1345
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: that much like a hand like a sand saw, but

1346
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: I figured might save me some calories, so I took that,

1347
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: which was probably my only mistake, Like if I was

1348
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna change it, that's what I would switch up. And

1349
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: then took a a pot, and I took or like

1350
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: a frying pan and a leatherman and a faro rod

1351
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: and a sleeping bag and bow and arrows, trapping wire,

1352
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: fishing line and something else that I'm missing in there.

1353
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: And then then this next season they do after mine,

1354
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: season seven have a hundred day caps So that was

1355
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: the first season where they put a limit on it,

1356
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 1: which was weird. But yeah, that sea, but so you

1357
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: so you kind of know that you know, somewhere around days,

1358
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: that's what you're prepping for, Like not really, I actually

1359
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: really had. I told myself there was zero chance that

1360
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: it would end before ninety days. I didn't even din't

1361
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: even cross my mind, and honestly, out there it didn't

1362
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: even like I had no clue that was about to end.

1363
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, And I was actually prepared to

1364
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: stay another couple few months, like I didn't have had

1365
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: plenty of food, and I my weight was still what

1366
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: it is right now. I but I yeah, I was shocked.

1367
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: I had done such a good job convincing myself that

1368
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: there was no chance that it would end any before

1369
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: nine day ninety that I didn't even well because I'm

1370
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: sure that this idea, yeah, the idea of hope, like

1371
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: the idea of saying I could tomorrow might be the day.

1372
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: I would joke with myself when they got here, a

1373
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: medical flight coming in, I'm like, oh, maybe this is it.

1374
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: But it's like, but you, I would just kind of

1375
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: be kidding myself, and I knew it. Uh. But like

1376
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: on the medical check where they did come and tell

1377
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: me it was over, I hadn't even had that thought.

1378
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: I just didn't even cross my mind that it might

1379
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: be over house and then you're to skip to the end,

1380
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:25,679
Speaker 1: your wife just pops out of the trees. They got

1381
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: me good. I definitely thought they did not let on

1382
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: that it was close at all. I think it was.

1383
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Um, what about it? Is there anything about

1384
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: the show when you washed it back, assuming that you

1385
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: washed it back that that you thought was contrived or

1386
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: can just completely like they don't they don't contrive it.

1387
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: But they definitely made it look like they covered up

1388
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: how much food I had, you know, if anything to

1389
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: like make it more. They definitely made it look like

1390
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: I struggled in a way more than I did, which

1391
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: is fine, but uh, it was annoying for me to

1392
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: watch because I wanted to see the big fish I

1393
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: caught in the different things like that that I didn't

1394
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: get to see because they had to make it more suspenseful.

1395
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: So if I had, if I had a complaint, that

1396
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: was it. But but nothing's contrived, like it's it's all.

1397
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: It's all there, and it's all footage that I sent in,

1398
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: like it's all there's definitely I was out there, you know,

1399
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: seventy seven days. There's days where I was like, man,

1400
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: this sucks, Like you know I can't. I can't you know,

1401
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: eat enough moose to stay fat or what you know

1402
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: I can. And in my mind I was thinking the

1403
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: show is gonna go a hundred and forty days. So

1404
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: then when I would count my moose, I'd like, man,

1405
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't have enough fat to make it a hundred

1406
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: more days. And then I'd be like, man, I don't

1407
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: have enough moose fat. And then you know that might

1408
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: get in there, that me complaining about not having enough

1409
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: food when I'm thinking that, you know, in context, it's

1410
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: relative to yeah, and we like make some time, we

1411
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: make some TV around here. You gotta do it, yeah,

1412
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like you you know what you

1413
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: want to happen, and if sometimes you can manipulate little

1414
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: things to kind of build suspense where might it might

1415
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: have been flat. So I could see him doing that

1416
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: when I was watching the show. But there's there's points

1417
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: in the show that are real. Right, you shot a moose.

1418
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing's real. It's all real footage.

1419
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: And they don't like tell you to do anything like

1420
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: it's not like they go out there and they're like, hey,

1421
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: we want you to do this or whatever. You know,

1422
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know they don't so if they use all

1423
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: your real footage that you sent in. But yeah, the

1424
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: moose hunt, that was all genuine stuff. That was and

1425
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: that was intense this can be. That was like the

1426
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: most up the day down in my life, you know,

1427
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: because you know how it is hunting. It's always you

1428
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: can GOLLI if just you shoot it and you're so excited.

1429
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: I just like, oh man, it all works because I

1430
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: made this whole contraption to funnel moose into a certain

1431
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: area and it worked and I got the shot on

1432
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: the moose. I was super excited. But then, of course,

1433
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: as it happens, you lose your blood trail and you

1434
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: lose your you know, you can't find any more tracks.

1435
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: And then you're just like, no way am I from

1436
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 1: I can't lose this. They the con the quinces, there's

1437
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: so much greater in that situation that it's just super intense.

1438
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, there's no blood. I saw

1439
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: bubbly blood. He's hitting the lungs. I'm just gonna walk

1440
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: downhill because he probably went downhill. And then so you

1441
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: stay along the shore and then sure enough all I

1442
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: stumbled across from like there he is up there, and

1443
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: you get all excited and then and then you're like

1444
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: hiding behind a bush, but then you see him stand

1445
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: up and you're just like no, like no, way he's

1446
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: going to run off right now, But then he doesn't.

1447
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: He lays back down and you're all relieved. It's just

1448
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: such it was such an emotional roller coaster, unlike any

1449
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: I've ever been on, because you're just you're so reliant

1450
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: on that day. People that listen to this show know

1451
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: that I'm always I'm always saying like, man, if I could,

1452
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: one thing that I wanted to do was feel what

1453
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: it felt like to hunt because I had to have

1454
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: a food. Yeah. Yeah, it was unbelievable, Like that's an

1455
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: experience I won't forget because it's just that was the

1456
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 1: most intense hunt ever because I just you're so reliable

1457
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: on it, and when you get it. When I finally

1458
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: walked up, I touched my arrow to its eyeball and

1459
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: it was just dead is dead to me, You're just like,

1460
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, the pure excitement there. You just could

1461
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't. There's no way I could read do that

1462
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: situation no matter what. Yeah, that's yeah, it's it's so

1463
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: damn primal, And yeah, I wish I almost the reason

1464
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: why I want to want if they would ever have

1465
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: me on the show. And if you're listening to us alone,

1466
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: casting agents. I'm down to do it. Just reach out

1467
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: to my people, Fill the engineer, reach out to Phill

1468
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: the engineer. Um. Yeah, when I look at that, I'm like, man,

1469
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: that's that's the one reason I would do it, because

1470
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: I want to fish opportunity to yeah, fishing, fishing hunt

1471
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: because it was the same. Man, it was just so fun,

1472
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: the funnest fishing I've ever had. And plus it was

1473
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: the biggest fish I've ever caught. You know, all the

1474
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: fish were the biggest fish ever got Lake trout, right, yeah,

1475
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: Lake trout. But you know there's like a the one

1476
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: was like twenty three pounds and it's just on your

1477
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 1: on your little homemade can reel that you've rigged together,

1478
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: and it's barbarous hooks and it's so intense the whole time,

1479
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you finally landed, it's the same thing. It's

1480
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: like pure joy that you cannot replicate anywhere else. It's yeah,

1481
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: well that throughout the show, all the other contestants you included,

1482
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: that was the one thing when I was watching, I'm thinking, Man,

1483
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna anti hunter or or a non hunter,

1484
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: or somebody that doesn't know what it's like to kill

1485
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: an animal, and I see these people going through this,

1486
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: at least, then maybe I can I can watch a

1487
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: hunter in modern demdern sense do the same kind of

1488
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 1: dance when they shoot something and gets have some kind

1489
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: of understanding of what they might feel. Yeah, why they're

1490
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: so excited. Yeah, because every time you came back with

1491
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: four rabbits, I felt like they were like your storyline

1492
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: wasn't quite true to to actually as it happened, as

1493
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: you mentioned there, because you would, yeah, you would come

1494
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: back with four rabbits, and they would cover that, like

1495
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: very briefly, and then somebody else would get like spend

1496
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: six days looking for a rabbit that would get you know,

1497
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: very very observant. No, for me watching it, it was

1498
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:08,440
Speaker 1: a little frustrating, but it was I understood it. But

1499
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: because then they had to because of that, they couldn't

1500
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: show a lot of the cool stuff because they had

1501
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: to like maked more you could, they couldn't show you

1502
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: like reading the book, you know. And that's why I

1503
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 1: didn't get to see any of my fishing. You know,

1504
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 1: I just made it. It looked like I just lost

1505
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: all my hooks and didn't catch any fish, and it

1506
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: was over, and I was like what, no way. So

1507
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: how many fish did you catch along the way? A thirteen?

1508
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: But they're just such big fish, you know. It was

1509
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: like golly, and they're all exciting, and I don't know.

1510
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: I did catch one arctic railing artic grailing, and it

1511
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: wasn't that big all the rest of her big old fish?

1512
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: Did you did you feel like that you ever had

1513
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: a moment where you were worried you were going to

1514
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: call and ask to be taken out of there or

1515
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 1: be medically. It never got close at all. I thought, I,

1516
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: I can't get into if I like, there's some production

1517
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: details they don't want us to get into, like as

1518
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: far as if I thought I was too skinny at

1519
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: some points. But I never was too skinny at some points.

1520
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: But but that was the only thing I was worried

1521
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: about because I just figured, if I ever leave here,

1522
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: it's because I'm gonna be too skinny, and so uh yeah, no,

1523
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: I it would never never was an issue. Like I

1524
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: I really thought, Okay, we're gonna get to day ninety

1525
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get started. It's gonna be like

1526
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: I figured a few of us would make it to

1527
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: day ninety and then but nobody's gonna quit. Then I

1528
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: figured then from then on it would be the push,

1529
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: Like that's where we're gonna stretch it way out and

1530
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: see how far we can go. So I was doing

1531
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: everything I could to accumulate everything I could until day

1532
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: ninety and then see if I could push through January

1533
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: or into February, and then then I figured I'd win.

1534
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 1: But so before that, I hadn't had that thought. Honestly,

1535
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: I got the moose at day twenty, and once I

1536
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: had a day a moose, it's like, you, you're not

1537
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna quit. That's a T shirt. I totally did you.

1538
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: Did you ever have like a mental um like drill

1539
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: that you would do or did you ever like check

1540
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: in on your mental status and try to keep yourself healthy,

1541
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, out there by yourself? It's always a yeah.

1542
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: I mean you have to stay active, Like you really

1543
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: have to stay active, and you get a lot of

1544
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: like trials that come and you have to approach them proactively.

1545
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 1: It would be easy to be like, oh, this sucks,

1546
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, I can't do this or that, but yeah,

1547
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: you're staying mentally active is a big thing. And I

1548
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: did that in a you know, I had a lot

1549
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: of different outlets for doing that. The ideally you're doing

1550
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: something productive that's mentally engaging, you know, So that's what

1551
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: I would try. But you honestly, as much as when

1552
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: you're watching your show, you're always like, why are those

1553
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: idiots sitting around? You know, like good, you can't actually

1554
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: be a productive a hundred percent of the time, even

1555
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: though I tried. You know, there's there's just times where

1556
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: you just don't really have anything to do. And so, uh,

1557
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: in those times, I would like film stupid skits and

1558
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: just try to you know, encourage myself by coming up

1559
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: with dumb things to do like that. And uh, and

1560
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, you you kind of journal to your cameras.

1561
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: You might talk to your daughter or your wife or

1562
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: your son, you know, like try to try to think

1563
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: about deep they're politically charged issues and see if I

1564
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: could think of like unifying solutions and things like, you know,

1565
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: like all that kind of stuff. And you're like, yeah,

1566
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: you're like Gandhi alone, Ye, Gandhi alone, trying to figure

1567
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: out the world sales exactly? Do all that? Did you ever? Have?

1568
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: You know, because when I've I've done, you know, a

1569
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks away and again nothing. I'm not no

1570
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: comparison to what you've done. But I I've always found

1571
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: once I had a little baby, I had my son,

1572
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: it was so much harder. I could not I was,

1573
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: I was. I was undecided on whether it was harder

1574
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: or not with kids, because, for one, it's so I

1575
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: mean because it's harder when you don't have any prize

1576
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: out there, you know. But like so when you're out there,

1577
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I'm out here a week. I haven't

1578
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: seen the kids, like kind of miss him. But when

1579
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: there's a big monetary prize, that's like, man, that's so

1580
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: much time with the kids. Like I work dumb construction job.

1581
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: I know what how much time? How much work do

1582
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: I have to do to uh, you know make up

1583
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: for that kind of money. It's like that's a lot

1584
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: of time with the family. So it was all it

1585
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: put it in pretty good perspective. But you know the

1586
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: other thing, Uh, it's just haven't gone to Russia for

1587
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: long periods of time. I have the perspective that like

1588
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: a year will pass and I'll come back and my

1589
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: loved ones will still be my loved ones, and you know,

1590
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: like the relationships are strong. It's not like insecurities there,

1591
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, you missed the kids, do you know you

1592
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: definitely that's what you think about all the time. But

1593
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: but you kind of just keep it in perspective and

1594
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, three months isn't that long.

1595
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: If this show goes three months, it's like fine. I'll

1596
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: get home and I'll be like, hey, how was it,

1597
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: And I'll be like, oh, it's fine. Yeah, here's a

1598
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: briefcase with half a million dollars. Now we're all caught up.

1599
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: It turned out it wasn't that simple because there's actually

1600
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: a lot harder on my wife than me. So because

1601
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: he had to deal with the kids and they were young,

1602
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, had like a two and at three or

1603
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: something year old, really young kids, and they were sick

1604
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: the whole time and this and that. You know, she

1605
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: lost more weight than I did. Honestly, she was She

1606
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: had a hard time. But yeah, I feel that's how

1607
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: that is. One of my favorite things in the world

1608
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: is a garment end reach, right, Those are awesome. Yeah,

1609
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: I just got to use one this summer for the

1610
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 1: first time. Yeah, So you're just like, man, if I

1611
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: could text my wife and just say how are you,

1612
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: and she could say not doing great, Like then you

1613
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: can recalibrate when you unlike you like have the choice

1614
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: to go back and you don't have anything really riding

1615
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: on at other there something, Yeah, you can kind of

1616
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: make that decision a little more and yeah, ahead, I

1617
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: wanna I don't want to leave the best thing for last.

1618
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: But you killed a wolverine with your acts, man, Yeah,

1619
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: I was talking about when I think about primal, that

1620
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: was the most primal experience because I wasn't really like

1621
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: I would have been built up for so long. The

1622
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: thing kept coming and harassing me and I would always

1623
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: and I'd spent a lot of nights like ah awake

1624
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: with my bow and arrow in my shelter, in a

1625
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: pile of meat out front, just like hoping that they

1626
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: would come, and uh, trying all these different things to

1627
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: get him. I like, I knew it was gonna go

1628
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: down at some point, but then when it when it

1629
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: finally did, it's like it's not like the Moose where

1630
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh man, this is up and

1631
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: down and up and down. It was just like it

1632
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: just happened so fast, and it all oh and over

1633
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: there and I still have It's like, you know, imprint,

1634
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: I can still picture memory where it was like nar

1635
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: snarling at me and jumping at me, but he was

1636
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: stuck with his arrow. So yeah, so you stuck him

1637
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: to the ground with an arrow. Well, the night before,

1638
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: he had been behind a bush and I was like,

1639
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot him because he found it.

1640
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: So I was waiting for him to come out from

1641
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: behind the bush, but it was nighttime as I was

1642
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: just watching his eyes, and then he like turned his

1643
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: head and his eyes went away, and then I was like,

1644
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: where is he? Where is he? And he had just

1645
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: vanished and I was like what, Like, oh no, I

1646
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: should have just shot, like what an idiot? And then

1647
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: uh so the next night, the same scenario kind of

1648
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: played out where he ran through my warning system. I

1649
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: heard the cans rumble, so I like ran outside, kind

1650
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: of set the camera up where I thought he you know,

1651
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: where his trail was, and then U uh, sure enough

1652
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: he came scurrying down it, and but then he kind

1653
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: of paused behind these bushes and that was just I

1654
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: was like, well, tonight, I'm gonna shoot him. Behind the

1655
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: bus just sent a narrow in and I don't know,

1656
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: it deflected through there and stuck him through the hind

1657
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: leg and you know, the arrow stuck into the ground,

1658
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: but also it was still in the shrubs on the

1659
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: top because on the holders, and so it just hung

1660
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: them up enough to where I grabbed that axe and

1661
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: ran over there, and you know, it all happened really fast.

1662
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: I got the axe, ran over there, swung that first

1663
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: swing like disemboweled him, and then he like spun around,

1664
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: and you know, he was spinning around mad, and then

1665
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: I swung again, and the next one like hit him,

1666
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: and and then I just swung a bunch. But then

1667
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: they like and then it ended, and you're just like, wow,

1668
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: I didn't think about any you know, I hadn't thought

1669
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,879
Speaker 1: about any of that. And he's like, wow, that was crazy.

1670
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: I just can't feel like kill the wolverine with the ax.

1671
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: And then you're just like, whoa, that was wild. Yeah,

1672
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 1: if you're making a show like Alone and that happens

1673
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: and you get your reaction like they did there, they

1674
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 1: were pretty excited. I'm yeah, I'm sure the producers are like,

1675
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 1: we got it. Yeah, this is this one's gone on Netflix.

1676
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: Jonas killed a wolverine with his I'm mad, but yeah,

1677
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: you were, you were of that kind of regrets not

1678
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: grabbing the camera and bringing it with me, But I

1679
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know that they would have shown it. So maybe

1680
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: it's better that I left it like it was. But

1681
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 1: probably I think it was perfect for what it was

1682
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: because you knew what happened, you could hear it, you

1683
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: saw your reaction, you're all wide eyed when you came

1684
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: back from that. Um, I think it was. It was

1685
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: well done in that regard, but it shows. It just

1686
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: goes to show people how when I'm watching this, I'm

1687
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of watching through the lens of somebody who thinks

1688
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: a lot about these all the issues of wild life

1689
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: and making shows right, same thing, And I'm thinking of like,

1690
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: how do how are they trying to tell the stories

1691
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: based on how they happened? But then what what can

1692
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: people learn from this? You know, what can they see? Well,

1693
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: they can see that you know, in a in a

1694
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 1: scenario where you're just trying to survive, there's no room

1695
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: for compassion for the wolverine because yeah, you just couldn't

1696
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: coexist in that situation. There just wasn't. It wasn't an option.

1697
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: It was like he or me, and we both knew it.

1698
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: He knew. I tried many times to get him to

1699
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: stay away, and he's he was trying to make it

1700
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: through the winters. So yeah, he was trying to get

1701
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: some he got a taste for moose. Yeah, I can't

1702
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: blame it for that, but he got a lot of

1703
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:22,480
Speaker 1: good food before he went. But yeah, I was definitely

1704
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: thought about that. It's like in those situations, it is like,

1705
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: of course you love nature and that's that, but yeah,

1706
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: it's in some in some situations you're you kind of

1707
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: feel pitted against it, and that was definitely one of

1708
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,600
Speaker 1: those situations. That's That's a good point. Is there is

1709
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: there anything for for people that watch the show or

1710
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 1: didn't um in terms of foraging or skills because you

1711
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: you did a lot of stuff. Obviously built a shelter,

1712
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: you built u you built some skis for for ice ski,

1713
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things. Are there any other things

1714
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: that that you did out there that um you either

1715
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: did for the first time or you know, now that's

1716
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: just essential knowledge for somebody like Scott's side. Oh man,

1717
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: um should there's a lot of things. Of course they

1718
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't show a lot of things. I gotta think about

1719
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: what I thought. But yeah, of course there was a

1720
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: ton of foraging you're always foraging. I was always drinking,

1721
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: like you know, there's all the little, so many details,

1722
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: like I would always drink hot water instead of cold

1723
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 1: water because you're just saving calories by preheating it. And

1724
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: then you're always drinking teas, so you're getting vitamins when

1725
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: you're drinking your water. It's things like stacking your hot

1726
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: rocks around your water before you go to bed so

1727
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't freeze solid, and sleeping with a hot rock

1728
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: and you're sleeping bag and you know, it's just there's

1729
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 1: so many little details. But the cool thing about it

1730
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 1: is when you put yourself in those situations, your ingenuity

1731
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: starts to come alive because like when you're in the

1732
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: modern world, everything's kind of figured out for you and

1733
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to think that much as much, you know,

1734
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: like whereas out there it's like you get these really

1735
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 1: specific problems and you have to come up with a

1736
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: solution or you're going to fail, you know. So it's

1737
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: like it's very very uh direct once again, and so

1738
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: that you can kind of hopefully you can rely on

1739
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: your ingenuity too to arrive for you out there when

1740
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 1: you need it. And uh, because that's one thing I

1741
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: felt was really cool. I felt very creative out there,

1742
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 1: whereas I'm not. I don't feel creative usually because I'm

1743
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: not like an artist or anything. But when you're out

1744
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: in those situations, it's like, oh, this is where creativity

1745
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: came from, you know, like you're just trying to figure

1746
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: out solutions to these problems. And and hopefully when you

1747
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: guys go out there for your little week alone and

1748
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: you come across little problems, you'll find like, hey, that's cool,

1749
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: I just thought of a solution, like you know, like

1750
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, sort that's the broadest way to say.

1751
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: And rather than just giving you a million little examples

1752
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: of this that, I think that's a good thing, man.

1753
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 1: And because because as I you know, like I said,

1754
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: I was, I knew we were going to chat, and

1755
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I was listening to Sapiens and I was thinking, man,

1756
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, this is just the way my brain works.

1757
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: But you know, all the things that you were learning

1758
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: out there, all the things that you were doing, were

1759
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: very human. They were that you were kind of recreating

1760
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: how we came to be where we are and in

1761
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy ways. And and to to know

1762
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: that you've kind of seen not only have you seen

1763
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of the other contestants had

1764
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: maybe played at this a little bit or trained for it,

1765
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: or had like woodcraft skills, but had never done what

1766
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: you've done in terms of living with the eve anking

1767
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and having that perspective. So you've seen, yeah, you've seen

1768
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: different sides of it, um, but yeah, I mean, did

1769
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: you ever think about was it? Because the one thing

1770
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: that I did the questions in my mind is did

1771
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: you think about the money as much as they portrayed

1772
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: in the show. Not you personally, but it just it

1773
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 1: kind of kept coming back to this. That was my

1774
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: motivating factor for going out there, because it's like, I

1775
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff for free, and I have

1776
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: a lot, so it's like, uh so, if I'm really honest,

1777
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm going out there because it's an opportunity to win

1778
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: a lot. When I was out there, I found they

1779
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: were almost went in reverse where I kind of went

1780
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: out there, well, because it is a chance that a

1781
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: far of course I'm gonna try it because it's right

1782
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: up my alley. But then when I was out there,

1783
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: I realized they were actually and before I remember telling

1784
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: History Channel guys before I went that, I wanted to

1785
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 1: leave something for my kids to see and you know,

1786
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: descendants to see that I wish I had of my grandparents,

1787
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: you know, like I wish I had footage of my

1788
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: grandparents doing their thing in life, you know, so I

1789
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: could know them more than just pictures and stories and

1790
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: uh in the same way, I wanted to have that.

1791
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: And when I was out there, I was realizing, Oh,

1792
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 1: this is cool because I can share this not only

1793
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: with my descendants but even my immediate family. Because a

1794
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, like you're you're in town

1795
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm in town right now. We're just

1796
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: living in our little houses. People don't know that aspect

1797
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: of us, not all you know, a lot of my

1798
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: friends and family don't. And so it was cool to

1799
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: be able to be like, oh, can share this with

1800
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: my loved ones. Actually, you know, like there's an aspect

1801
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: of me. Not everybody gets the seat. And so I

1802
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 1: was really motivated by that also, that's I mean, yeah,

1803
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: and then then you have like, well, Uncle Jordan's coolest

1804
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: shit he made. He made skis. It's inspired a lot

1805
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: of fun backyard activity around here. That's good looks kids,

1806
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: a lot of wolverine hunts down in the playroom, I

1807
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: love it. Man, What did your kids like? It? Sounds

1808
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 1: like your kids are old enough to kind of say

1809
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: a few things about it. What do they say? Uh,

1810
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: what do they say? They re enacted a lot. They

1811
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: just play, you know, they play those games a lot.

1812
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 1: Hunt the moose and they hunt the wolverine. And yeah,

1813
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: they're worried about wolverines at night, which is odd in Virginia.

1814
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 1: But you're trying to explain it. So, yeah, don't worry.

1815
01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: They're not only in comic books. Yeah, they're really animals. Then.

1816
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Uh no, it's become a part of the and of

1817
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: course it's bled into so many other things now that

1818
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: now you know, we're doing survival courses and writing a

1819
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: book and blah blah blah. So it's kind of affected

1820
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 1: more of their stuff, you know, you know, it's affected

1821
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: our lives trajectory. Obviously, Yeah, for sure did did when

1822
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: you got back. I mean obviously, like I said, I

1823
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 1: listen to you on the rogue in and uh and

1824
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: and other places. Um, and so obviously there was a

1825
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: plenty of attention when you got back. It's like, how

1826
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 1: did that go for you? All Right? It's like I'd

1827
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: actually quit all my social media you know, a good

1828
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 1: while before I went on the show, and I actually

1829
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: was really happy. I was like, Man, I'm glad I

1830
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: don't do that because it's just waste my time. And uh,

1831
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: now though it's a part of and you know, I've

1832
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: had to dive back into that stuff. And I really

1833
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: like connecting people that are genuinely interested, you know, and

1834
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: that's how we connect and it's all that it's it's

1835
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 1: so necessary, but at the same time I can sense

1836
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, the ability to suck away our

1837
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: time and what we're really Yeah, it gets you in

1838
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: that half distracted mode, which is super annoying. And so

1839
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: it's like trying to navigate that has been the most

1840
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: annoying part of it all. Because before I could just

1841
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: be like, ah, forget it, I'm not doing any of

1842
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. I'll buy an old Nokia or something. But

1843
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: now it's like, now I can't really So now I

1844
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: have to actually figure out how to navigate that more.

1845
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: Man enjoy Man? Can I relate to that? I do

1846
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: want people when we do this podcast, and the podcast

1847
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: is the thing I enjoy the most because it's just

1848
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: talking to cool people and telling ship stories and just

1849
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: whatever makes me laugh or makes right. It's enjoyable. But

1850
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: the social media stuff, there is some poison in there. Yeah,

1851
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think. I don't think my my personal feelings.

1852
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: It's not what most people would say. For me. It's

1853
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: it's what you said. It's just addicting. It's this. Yeah,

1854
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: it's exactly. That's it. In um it's just something to

1855
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 1: be there every time you're mildly bored. It's like yes,

1856
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:08,600
Speaker 1: it's like dang it, like so, yeah, I get to

1857
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: press sometimes. When I was I was when I last

1858
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: I traveled, I was on a rental car shuttle. I'm

1859
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: sitting on the shutal car shuttle and I had been

1860
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 1: on my phone the whole flight, and I looked up

1861
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like in a daze, even

1862
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: when I wasn't looking at my phone. And it's kind

1863
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: of like I had been in this virtual world and

1864
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: I had to readjust to like walking around the airport.

1865
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,879
Speaker 1: And I get this rental car shuttle and I decided

1866
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: to turn my phone off and just like for the

1867
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 1: drive home, I wasn't gonna look at I just wasn't

1868
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 1: gonna look at my phone. And I to go see

1869
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 1: my family and I was. I was in this rental

1870
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: car shuttle and I was looking around. There's fifteen people

1871
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: in there. It's COVID. They're all wearing their mask. Every

1872
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: single one of them was deep into the phone. Like

1873
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: I could have probably taken all of their wallets out

1874
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: of their podets. No one would have known. It feels

1875
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: so impersonal that world mas You just just like, man,

1876
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: you can't you can't imagine. You couldn't have explained this

1877
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: to something the bank, You couldn't take them, drop them

1878
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,680
Speaker 1: here and say like this is what these people are doing.

1879
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: That well, that's that's ultimately better. It's way better. Like, no,

1880
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:15,839
Speaker 1: it's not. It's awful. Yeah. I feel really hacked at times,

1881
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: like they just they hacked my brain. It's annoying to

1882
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: try to overcome it. Yeah, so you get and you

1883
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: get those moments where you feel like you're reaching for

1884
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 1: your phone when it's not there. Syndrome, the missing syndrome. Yeah,

1885
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't I don't mind that people will

1886
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: always complain about the comments and the negativity. I don't

1887
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: mind that that's the discourse of the world that I

1888
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: live in. But it's it's more just the idea that

1889
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: the addiction of the thing. It's like, what it is

1890
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 1: that sucks so much? And I tell you, when I

1891
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: go in the wizard come back. The most stress I

1892
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 1: feel is when they pick up my phone and gets

1893
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 1: service again and I start hearing the exactly that's exactly me.

1894
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 1: Like We'll be riding back, you know, coming out of

1895
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: the woods, and you're just like, oh man, it's that

1896
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 1: little dread you get because your phone's coming. You cannot

1897
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 1: do it. There has to be some irony for you,

1898
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 1: right because you got famous by going out in the

1899
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,719
Speaker 1: woods and being alone, and then when you come back

1900
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: and now I'm like spent all literally spent all day

1901
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: to day, uh doing a website. I was like, how

1902
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: figure this out? And then uh my brother was laughing

1903
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 1: at me because I could like had my sister watched

1904
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 1: the kids and uh, and he's like, oh, cool, you're

1905
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: going hunting. I was like, I know, I'm doing a podcast.

1906
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, times have changed. This is I used

1907
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,600
Speaker 1: to be out doing what I like. Now I have

1908
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: to be Social Media's a lot, but it's just a

1909
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: part of the all comes with the territory. But for

1910
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: us to figure out how to navigate it well and

1911
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: then we're all work in progress, so hopefully well. And

1912
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 1: like I said, a lot of people would love to

1913
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,680
Speaker 1: be in that situation to teach other people like you can,

1914
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: or to to be known because now you'll be known

1915
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: for a while a little. I'm sure the guy from alone,

1916
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: the guy who um is that? Is that ever felt

1917
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,000
Speaker 1: weird to you? Or is this that's you knew that

1918
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 1: going in that there, if you won your on TV whatever, Yeah, yeah,

1919
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel really weird. I guess it probably just

1920
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: goes with my personality that didn't get culture shock, you know,

1921
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: it just feels kind of it's whatever. It just like, yeah,

1922
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of roll with it. But the it's fun. Like

1923
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: I always thought it was hilarious when I get recognized,

1924
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: not that much here in Lynchburgo. Then I went up

1925
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: the IDO and every time I went to like Black Sheep,

1926
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: like the outdoor store, it's like you can just counted

1927
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: on the clockwork somebody Like. It's like, I guess that's

1928
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: the demographic you should. You should troll everybody every time

1929
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: you go into like an outdoor store. Just wear like

1930
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 1: a wolverine hat, totally try to stand wait a minute,

1931
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 1: wait a minute. If I ever need an ego boost.

1932
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: I just swing on over to the outdoors door. Oh yeah,

1933
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: you started looking around, man, You're like, uh, know what's

1934
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 1: going to happen. That's why I like podcast. I could

1935
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: be in my kitchen, you can be in your sister's house. Yeah,

1936
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: we could just be hanging out. Um, that's a good

1937
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 1: I thought too. Like I said, it's not too much fame,

1938
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: it's just enough. That's sometimes it's fun chatting with people.

1939
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: But I remember when I was with Joe Rogan, I

1940
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: was just like, man, that sucks to be that famous.

1941
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: Like that poor guy as to like, God, he can't

1942
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: go anywhere I've been. I've been with that dude. Yeah,

1943
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: I've been with that dude a few times where he

1944
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: picked him up one time at the Austin Airport to

1945
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 1: go hunt and he was flying into Austin before he

1946
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: lived there and when I when I lived there and

1947
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 1: he didn't. I picked him up at the airport and

1948
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: he was putting his stuff in the back of my

1949
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: truck and people were just running up to my truck

1950
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:54,679
Speaker 1: going like and just yelling things at him. Yeah yeah,

1951
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 1: And I thought, why to say, like hey, love your

1952
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,040
Speaker 1: show or love the UFC or love your calm, and

1953
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: he would be cool to do. But just running up

1954
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: to him and yelling some slogan running away, that seems

1955
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 1: but I got imagine it's got to be twenty four

1956
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: seven when he's outside basically like unending. Yeah, it's unending.

1957
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's tough life, man, That's yeah, it's gotta

1958
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: be tough. I don't I don't envy that, man. Yeah,

1959
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: for me, it's still enjoyable. You know, it's fine. So

1960
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: what's in that? What's the future like working people? I know,

1961
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 1: like you said, you're writing a book and some of

1962
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 1: those things, and yeah, I'm trying to be I want

1963
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: to do some of the more of those survival courses.

1964
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: And then I got the I just thinking about trying

1965
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 1: to do some online stuff because that's just where people

1966
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 1: are at these days, and so it could be cool,

1967
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 1: and uh, actually it sounds fun because I feel like

1968
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: it'd be fun to like do the coolest, like the

1969
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: most practical and cool online stuff I can put out,

1970
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: like real stuff, why do you actually need to know?

1971
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 1: And then do it well? And that'd be fun knowledge

1972
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: to relay. So I'm just now thinking about how to

1973
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 1: do that and what I would want too. That's cool, man.

1974
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 1: We just we just finished our company just finished a

1975
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 1: book on just practical survival and uh, you know, stuff

1976
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: for hunters and outdoors. So there's a lot in there.

1977
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Um then there's so many different levels. So maybe maybe

1978
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you find yourself on the meat eator dot com right,

1979
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 1: and they're doing some videos, no doubt. Yeah. Let's well,

1980
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate, appreciate me at that Hobo Jordan is on

1981
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: my Instagram. Go there, keep people linked up to whatever

1982
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing. That's awesome. Man. Well, I appreciate the time

1983
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: and the show and let me binge watch and my underwear,

1984
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: uh midnight watching you shoot him? Good times for you

1985
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: to know what things you were like. Man, look at

1986
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: that moron he's doing that. There's a couple other people

1987
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: on the show. I thought they have to have a

1988
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: couple of crazy people who were never gonna make it anyway.

1989
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: I won't I won't make fun of them in the

1990
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: public form here, but there's few people in there that

1991
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: you're just like, you just knew that they're they're playing

1992
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 1: the role they were meant to play. They were never

1993
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: gonna make it, but they're crazy and they have you know,

1994
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 1: they have they tried. That's more than most people would

1995
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: be willing to do. Good. Yeah, and then you and

1996
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 1: then you get to the thing where you're when you're

1997
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 1: just saying, well, that guy only made it a couple

1998
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 1: of days. My wife said that, well, that I only

1999
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 1: made it a couple of days, And I said, how

2000
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: many days would you make it? Like, let's not judge

2001
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 1: these people. They're doing their best. You know, guy fell

2002
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 1: down and broke his leg. I think he probably it's

2003
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: fund Well, it's been fun chatting and yeah, man, it's

2004
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: been fun. It's fun getting to know what what you're

2005
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 1: all about. I'd love to take a trip with you

2006
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: over to Siberia. Man, it sounds like the most interesting

2007
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 1: thing in the world. Yeah, someday maybe I'll organize something

2008
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 1: where people can come, because it would be cool if

2009
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 1: you write documents sound very scary in that situation, if

2010
01:45:57,560 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 1: I can make an ask and your is your book

2011
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: about out that time? Like are you in the book? Yeah?

2012
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:05,759
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, I can't wait to read that because

2013
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm endlessly interested in those kind of experiences. So yeah, yeah.

2014
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: Tying in like resilience with Siberian natives and what we

2015
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: can learn from nomadic life. You know anyway, that whole

2016
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 1: thing will be interesting. Just a guy riding to reindeer.

2017
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 1: Just a guy riding reindeer on the cover. Totally all right, Jordan, Man,

2018
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate man. We'll talk soon. Yeah, that's it, and

2019
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: that is all for the uh this episode of the Uncollective.

2020
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: Thank you to George Jonas, and thank you all of

2021
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,799
Speaker 1: you from righting in being a part of this. Hopefully,

2022
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: m Hopefully you've got a nice little distraction from Jordan's

2023
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,559
Speaker 1: as you guys are all casting your votes and out

2024
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: there doing your American duty to elect the next president,

2025
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: the next senator, next to everything, elect our officials in

2026
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: this country. Um, we'll talk much more about that. I'm

2027
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: just gonna leave you with that. I'm a little bit,

2028
01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 1: a little bit melancholy, a little bit sad about this election. Uh.

2029
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 1: Me and Phil were just kind of going back and

2030
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: forth about why we would vote the way we did. Um.

2031
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: It leaves me this, this the conflict in my own

2032
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 1: mind about who I voted for and why I voted

2033
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: for them. Um Man, it just it is making me

2034
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,719
Speaker 1: sad because I don't identify with either party. I can't

2035
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: find if I'm finding reasons not to vote for each

2036
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: candidate rather than reasons to vote for for those candidates.

2037
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 1: And and this is it feels like I feel like

2038
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: a man on an island. And I feel like when

2039
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 1: you are that way, when you don't really identify with

2040
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 1: either of these two candidates or parties, then you're you're

2041
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: You're kind of out in the open for hate from

2042
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 1: both sides. And it's it's a tough place to be.

2043
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back and after all this and

2044
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 1: reassess my own values. I just wish the best for

2045
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: our country, and I wish the best for all of you,

2046
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: especially you Phil. I'm looking forward to going hunting with you,

2047
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:57,760
Speaker 1: even though we voted for different candidates. Maybe we can

2048
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,679
Speaker 1: heal by going hunting together. Ben, let's me up after

2049
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: after this election, and uh, we'll crack open a watermelon

2050
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: white cloth. Maybe make a salty Gilbert. If you try

2051
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: to salty Gilbert with a water watermelon white cloth. I

2052
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 1: have not, but I would love to. It might make

2053
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 1: me just a little bit happy, because I'm feeling pretty

2054
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 1: salty right now. I'm feeling alone, which is good because

2055
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 1: we just interviewed a guy that lived in the woods

2056
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 1: for seventy seven days. Um, So if to any of

2057
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 1: you out there that feel alone, that feel like you

2058
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 1: don't align completely with one of these ideologies and politics

2059
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 1: and all the polarity, if you're feeling alone, there's just

2060
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 1: nowhere to turn in your life. You know who's there

2061
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: for you. Me and Fill the Engineer. We're there for you. Yeah,

2062
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:49,760
Speaker 1: that depends if you're gonna tell if you're gonna talk

2063
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: about poop stories, I don't want to, don't come. Don't

2064
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 1: come to me. Fills there for you unless just talk

2065
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: about poop stories. Well, also, I mean you're gonna look

2066
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:01,280
Speaker 1: down on me for playing video games. I don't wanna.

2067
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to hang out with you either. Also

2068
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 1: that also that one thing. Also you have to like

2069
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: you have to like Star Wars. Um. You know, you

2070
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 1: have to like everything that I like and agree with

2071
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: everything that that I agree with. Perfect. So well, you're

2072
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: welcome here as long as you agree with Phil that's right. Luckily,

2073
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 1: you should be naming your dogs after various fruits and yeah,

2074
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: this is what you should be doing. As long as

2075
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 1: you do all those things, you're welcome and accepted here

2076
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 1: at the Hunting Collective. So we'll keep soldiering on episode

2077
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: one one next week A whole New World. We'll see

2078
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: you next week. Say bye, Phil, goodbye, because I can't

2079
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: go a week without doing run O.