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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl drama girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, John McQueen's Drama, Queen's Guys.

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Speaker 1: I want to light a candle as a cleanse because

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Speaker 1: you we could have ever gotten. Is this spiritually clean

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Speaker 1: one Tree episode. I love this episode. This episode. This

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Speaker 1: the episode where Lucas turns to Peyton and go, hey,

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Speaker 1: to echoing the first episode, echoing the pilot. Well, we

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Speaker 1: Director tom Wright is a favorite of ours. Um, we

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Speaker 1: had a female screenwriter, Harry Karen. You can tell a

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Speaker 1: So good and so good. Yeah, and so we're going

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Speaker 1: give us the rundown? Give us the episode nine day? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So so episode nineteen we have the title which is

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Speaker 1: This was delicious. Can we talk about the elephant in

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Speaker 1: Well let's look, let's look at that a little bit

428
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: because this was the first season of our show. When

429
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: we filmed this, only like half the first season had

430
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: come out at this point, and so visiting directors, like

431
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: visiting people the writer's room, they didn't know us, they

432
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't know what we were capable of. You know, I'd

433
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: been a VJ. You know, Chad had been like the

434
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: bad guy on Dawson's Creek, so it would make sense

435
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: that visiting directors would be like, oh, you know what

436
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: he's good at smoldering. You know, let's get to do that.

437
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't know us, and so when we

438
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: finally started to get people that knew us and thought

439
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: you can do more, you know, that's when we really

440
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: were able to start turning in performances that were risky

441
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: maybe and stretched the perception. Like this episode for me

442
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: personally was hard to watch because I have a preteen

443
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: son and we just walked through the city and he

444
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: held my hand for a little while and then like

445
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: and then let at a crosswalk. He was like, I'm

446
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: holding my mom's hand. What am I doing? Oh baby,

447
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: He'll still like lay in my lap, but then he

448
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 1: remembers like, oh, I have like a mustache. You know,

449
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: like we're right on that cusp. And so to see

450
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: Lucas rebuff his mother and lie to his mother and

451
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: you know game his mother in some of these past episodes,

452
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: and then to really need his mother in this episode

453
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: and cry with his mother, Um, those two together were

454
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 1: so so it. In this episode, that scene. Oh my gosh,

455
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: the scene where Chad was I mean the whole episode,

456
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: he played this scared little boy thing so well toned,

457
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: so well. Um, that scene with with Moira, that's got

458
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: to be like when we talked to Chad, we have

459
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: to ask him about that scene because that's got to

460
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: be a career highlight for him. I mean, she's she's

461
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: such an icon and to be able to really do

462
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: a real we're not just talking about like chit chat.

463
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: This isn't just like hey mom, I'm home. This is

464
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: real deep stuff. Um, And to be able to play

465
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: that with such a formidable actress must have been really

466
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: exciting for him. So I can't wait to ask him

467
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: about that at something because it was intimidating. That was like,

468
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: you know, you're going in with somebody with all the

469
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: tools and how do you keep up well? And something

470
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: I loved about it too Moira And again, what space

471
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: they were given with that writing that that Moira's reaction,

472
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: you know, as Karen as it's script did, is that

473
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: she slaps him and then they run into his room

474
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: and it's his childhood room and you do realize that

475
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: this is a little boy And Hillary, you said something

476
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: really interesting when we were watching the episode. And again,

477
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: this is what Karen gave us as a writer. That

478
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: Brooke stabbing back at Lucas when he stabs her in

479
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: a way gave us Lucas back because it shook him

480
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: out of his I'm out experimenting and and it's like

481
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: it shakes him out of the reverie, out of that JR.

482
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: It's so intense. I remember when I read that and

483
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, this isn't this is a

484
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: lot um. But it's so good because in a way,

485
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like he snaps out of the popular kid dream

486
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: and he's a kid again. Yeah, that's it. And and

487
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: to watch them in his childhood bedroom with like that

488
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: desk that he's probably had since he was ten, and

489
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: and and more. Era delivers that performance where she's saying

490
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm just so scared for you, you know, and and

491
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: asks how Brooke is like when have we ever seen

492
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: a mom of a boy do that? And say she

493
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: must be so scared. Karen is so clearly terrified for

494
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: these kids, and it it's a perspective I haven't really

495
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: seen when when there's when there's something where parents are

496
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: talking about teen pregnancy, and her fear let Lucas be

497
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: a little boy again, and it was just ah, it

498
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: was really amazing. What's good about this? It made him

499
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: so Look, we all watched the episode. We know what

500
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: the end story is. Brooke. It was a false alarm, right,

501
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: the sentiment of um, oh, if you told me the truth,

502
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had to admit this to my mother

503
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: and my father and my you know, like my friend.

504
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't had to tell everybody about this. I wouldn't

505
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: have gon to Jake. If you told me the truth.

506
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: It was a catalyst for Lucas to get his together

507
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: and to do the right thing, voluntarily volunteered it. He

508
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: could have kept this a secret for another couple of months,

509
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, because Brooke wouldn't have shown for like another

510
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: three or four months. Totally could have kept it a secret,

511
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: could have played you know, I don't know what's going on. Um. Instead,

512
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: he gets right in there right away, and it's like,

513
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 1: we got to figure this out because his identity of

514
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: being an unwanted child is so triggering in this moment um,

515
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: the conversations that he had with Dan and then Brooke

516
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: having called him Danny Jr. Let's get into that. Let's

517
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: talk about Dan. You know what I think is really

518
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: important because and we we've talked about this offline, the

519
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: three of us, that this is the Lucas we look

520
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: back on. This is the guy we've always remembered and

521
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: lionized show. Yeah, like, this is our good guy, who's

522
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: our empathetic leader, who's the author, who writes the sense

523
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: of he's playing, he's endgame and and so one of

524
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: the things I think that's been, to be honest, triggering

525
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: for all of us is to watch when by some

526
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: writers Lucas was kind of hijacked and we didn't remember.

527
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't and it wasn't a good look, and we

528
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: didn't we didn't remember that there was bad behavior on

529
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: Lucas's part. Honestly, we didn't. And one of the things

530
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm realizing that in our like what what did he do?

531
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: What did he say? He said he had two girlfriends?

532
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: How dare he? You know, like experience in real time

533
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: is that we haven't We've always remembered Nathan being the

534
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: bad guy who had a bad dad and then became

535
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: a good guy because of Haley. In in these episodes,

536
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm really seeing the impact that again like eighteen years later,

537
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. I don't know if you guys did

538
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: of of exactly that that scar for Lucas of what

539
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: Dan's abandonment did to him, and it like what an

540
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: impactful thing for a for a kid. And and this

541
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: is the episode where we really get into it, where

542
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: he's not running away from it, where he's not like

543
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: you know if you at the insults, where where he

544
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: confronts it and he owns it and he uses it

545
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: as his vulnerability when he talks to Brooke about what

546
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of dad he would never want to be. When

547
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: he confronts Dan about why Dan was so selfish and

548
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: how he knows he could never be like him, you know,

549
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: he started to experiment a little bit and realizes he

550
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: isn't Dan. It's such a beautiful um moment where you

551
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: see a character cement his identity as an individual. And

552
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I just I just thought it was like such a powerhouse, Um,

553
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: this is this is like a this is a if

554
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: we made a top ten list like this would be

555
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: on my top ten episodes for Lucas. First, sure, I

556
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: think all of us also in the Lucas of it.

557
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: All the episodes that were written by men. Even when

558
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Lucas was going through something, he still found a way

559
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: to flirt with everyone, right, and that may have been

560
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: a direction thing, that may have been what was on

561
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: the page, you know, like whatever. When Lucas finds out

562
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: like Brooke could be pregnant and then he runs into

563
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: Peyton again on the quad, there is not a note

564
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: of impropriety. He is not flirty with Peyton in any way.

565
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: He's not Like it's when he says, what did we do?

566
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing um conspiratorial? What's what is? There's

567
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: something conspiring about it? What's guys? Vocab conspiratorial? Is that

568
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: a word? Yeah, listen, we're gonna have our drama queens.

569
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: Vocab list what we had a while back. Scrapple, scrap

570
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: crap bull that's right. So I liked that they shook

571
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: him up and he realized, like, oh, not every chick

572
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: is a sex spot, you know, Like Peyton is Brooks

573
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: best friend. Like eventually we're all going to be involved

574
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: in this situation, whether we like it or not. Like,

575
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: let's be thoughtful. He's thoughtful in that moment um. It

576
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: was good to see them in friend zone. Yeah, and

577
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: the thoughtfulness makes the misdirection later for Brook and Peyton

578
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: so delicious because it was the first time in a

579
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: long time that this boy hasn't been flirting with her,

580
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: that he's come to her for help. So then when

581
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Peyton turns around and says, yeah, he was so upset earlier,

582
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: it's like she steps in it because it was so innocent,

583
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: and you realize these people they're just missing each other,

584
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's heartbreaking. She's real dumb, she's pond spirit tutorial.

585
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: We're just like, oh, you should say the thing instead

586
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: of saying the around the thing. Um, guys, we have

587
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: we have not talked about one big thing that happened

588
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: in this episode, which was finding out that Dan has

589
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: this whole folder full of Lucas memorable memorabilia. Caught out

590
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: like magazine cut out that right, yeah, well once, yeah,

591
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: once I saw it on screen, I remembered, but um no,

592
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I remembered the magazine holder. I don't know why. It's

593
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: just a problem. It's like I was having some random

594
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: this right. You know what else I remembered is the

595
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: sheets on the bed. As soon as I saw Nathan

596
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: and Haleien bed together in the apartment, I had, like

597
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: you know, like sense memory. I remembered feeling feeling those

598
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: sheets because they were all the same and it was

599
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: the same, you know, they all smelled like props, like

600
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: they've been stored up in the problems totally. They smell

601
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: like the inside of a plastic bit yeah truck, and

602
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: they've been washed with the same detergent for the last

603
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: like ten years. Like it was just I don't know why,

604
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: but that was some sort of sense memory hit me.

605
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: And then when Dan was in his office, the magazine

606
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: rack behind him, like the wooden mag He's office, but

607
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: they would move props around so that ended up in

608
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: Hayley's office or desk or something somehow. But I was

609
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: like all things in this episode, I was like when

610
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: you said it, when you were like, I remember that

611
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: we were on to the next point, but I wanted

612
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to be like, is it because it's under the lamp?

613
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Like it was lit by one of the million lamps.

614
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: It was such a funny choice about so many lamps.

615
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, I was. I was pretty um a pleasantly

616
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: surprised to see Dan pull out this envelope with all

617
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: those clippings in it. Um I loved, you know, when

618
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: Dan went into talk to Lucas in the weightlifting room.

619
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: I was like, why is he in here? Why is

620
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: he doing this making the rounds? Like what's the point

621
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: of this conversation? And then he turned the corner of

622
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: like not just being a bad guy and being like

623
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: your mother should have had an abortion and you should

624
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: never have, you know, been born, because I was like, God,

625
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: what hustle this guy is And then he says something

626
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what the dialogue was. There is

627
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: something about you've got so much life. You've got yes,

628
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: there's so much life ahead of you, and that's what

629
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: it was. It was like, that's and that's what Paul

630
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: was telling us when he was on the show a

631
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: few weeks ago about that he was actually looking at

632
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to in his weird, sick, twisted way,

633
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: he was trying to look out for Lucas in the

634
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: best way he knew how, and trying to get Lucas

635
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: to see things from his perspective, even though obviously not

636
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: considering Lucas's feelings or how it would affect him or

637
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: impact him anyway. He was just and he really was

638
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: genuinely so happy to see Lucas when he came to

639
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: the dealership. He was like, you finally think I'm not

640
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: a bad guy. You know my side of things. I

641
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: was the dork that when he opened up that folder,

642
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is Paul pictures of chat? Like I enjoy?

643
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Had to explain it. She's like, it's Lucas. He's been

644
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: saving them for years, Hilary, And I'm like, all right,

645
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: because he does secretly really care. He's you know, it's

646
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: meaningful to him. That's that's why Dan's my favorite character.

647
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: He just keeps unfolding. It's like an onion, you just

648
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: keep peeling the layers. Yeah. Well, and you know what's

649
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: cool about it is it's kind of what we were

650
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: talking about last week, you know, like when we were

651
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: all saying our opinions on whether or not it would

652
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: have been an interesting choice to have had Brooke lie

653
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: about the pregnancy from the beginning. Sometimes the most misguided

654
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: actions can produce the most interesting on screen journeys. And

655
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: what I loved was that we had because they're sixteen,

656
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: that's really genuine scare. You know the pregnancy tests that

657
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: home one says it's positive and had you ever taken

658
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: a pregnancy test? And sixteen Oh my god, Oh my god. No,

659
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: I was Hayley at sixteen. I've been dating my poor

660
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: high school sweetheart for three years. That I was like,

661
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm still not ready, sweet angel. The idea of having

662
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: to go by one, you know, terrifying. It's a big deal,

663
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: and I and I think about I think about. Some

664
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: of the beauty of this episode to me was the

665
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: innocence and the fallibility, like Lucas had been fallible and

666
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: gets his innocence back, and Brooks innocence of being in

667
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: love for the first time is broken, and then when

668
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: he says to her that hideous thing of how do

669
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I even know it's mine? That fight in the parking

670
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: lot is Chef's kiss so good, It's so good. So

671
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: you were awesome in this episode, Sophia. Yeah, we talked

672
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: about Sophia's stamina because for the last like a lot

673
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of episodes, Brooke has been so hurt and so sad

674
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: and isolated in her room and having to just sit

675
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: by yourself and cry is so much harder than doing

676
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: a scene where someone else is helping your work into it.

677
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: And you know, frankly, I'm pissed that Peyton's got the

678
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: reputation as the cry baby because you're outcrying, my as.

679
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: I learned a lot this year, but so good and

680
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: like you can see the front of her being angry

681
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: with Lucas and then how it turns at home and

682
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: being able to do both is a lot of work, um,

683
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: and you make it look easy. You do. Thanks. You know,

684
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: it was really important for me to two I don't

685
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: mean to be like hyperbolic, but it felt really important

686
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: to do right by this storyline. If you were flip

687
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: about it, oh my god, but you know, given some

688
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: of what we were talking about, like girls who end

689
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: up in this position and get you know, left tongue

690
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: out to dry, Like how scary this is, and yes,

691
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: how scary it is for kids in general. Like that

692
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: she goes to him and says, I really don't want

693
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: to have to tell you this, but who else am

694
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: I supposed to talk to? Like it was something that

695
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't know why it was about it it I

696
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: think because we rallied and kind of rode so hard

697
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: for our characters. I was so heartbroken for her and

698
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: and to show that for someone like her who on

699
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: the outside looks like she has it all together, to

700
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: really begin getting a window into Brooks world where she's

701
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: completely alone. She has no parental support um, which she

702
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: shared with Karen a little bit, which was why I

703
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: loved that. Karen in that moment also asked me because

704
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: how Brooke was doing it was so thoughtful. Um, but

705
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, this little girl who's facing this by herself

706
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: was UM, something I wanted to honor. And in that

707
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: youth and in that heartbreak when he insults her and

708
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: and says the thing about her that, yeah, like the

709
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: thing you're you're worried people would say to you that

710
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: also is up fair because it's a double standard about

711
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: boys and girls. But anyway, um, Kennel, Hello, Carousel, Carosel,

712
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: caros Al, that's what she should have just said, carros Out,

713
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. But you know, she stabs her, and she

714
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: stabs him back, and it's a it's a reaction, it's

715
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: not even a choice. And I thought it was beautiful

716
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: because then she's sitting there going, oh, dear, I've said

717
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: this thing, and how do I take it back? And

718
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: that scene with them, I thought was so genuine because

719
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: she did need him to apologize, but the apology, it

720
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: just it breaks her heart almost even more because she's

721
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: because he's good that she really loved, like he's saying

722
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: all the things he made her love him. It was

723
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: really good. That was really good writing for for Chad

724
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: and I. It was really beautiful in this sort of

725
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: cycle of the Brook and Lucas story too. Essentially bring

726
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: these two back together in that bedroom and they're covered

727
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: in cuts they've given to each other, like they've hurt

728
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: each other, and nobody actually says I'm sorry. It's just

729
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: that the communication is it just shows it's not always

730
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: necessary to say. Sometimes it's necessary to say the words,

731
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just have to hear each other and

732
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: and talk through. And I loved that he was so

733
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: willing to just say, what do you want? I will

734
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: be here for you, I will do I will do

735
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to be a great dad. I want

736
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: I want to be a good guy. I want to

737
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: do the right thing. You know. That's such a beautiful observation, Joy,

738
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: because you're right, they don't apologize to each other verbally,

739
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: but that scene feels so apologetic on both their parts,

740
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: and they and they and they are sorry and they're

741
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: yelling and they're honest about all the things that have

742
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: happened between them, and I actually think that the unsaid

743
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: but obvious apology of it all is what lets her

744
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: finally sit alone and just cry. And it's going to

745
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: let them be okay with each other in the future

746
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: as the show moves on, because they've become such good friends. Yeah,

747
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: the comedy, the comedy that evolves for Brooke and Lucas

748
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: like over the years, is so good and so funny,

749
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: and I do think you're right. I think this really

750
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: lays the foundation for an honest friendship in the future.

751
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: They both know that nothing was based in malice. Yeah,

752
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, and if you can get through really hard

753
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: things like that with somebody, you know, you kind of

754
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: know that you can get through anything. And them being

755
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: able to have that as a foundation of like, yeah,

756
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: we made it through some really hard and look how

757
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: young we are and we figured it out, like we

758
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: can do this well. And I like that we got

759
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: to model it too. There's a lot we got to

760
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: model really well in this episode. The conversations around consent

761
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: with Haley and Nathan, the honest apologies and like the

762
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: owning of your failures and the ways you've hurt people.

763
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: And I'm so curious how when we think about like

764
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of the repair of the rip for Brooke

765
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: and Lucas. I'm excited to see because we still see

766
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: the rip for Brooke and Peyton. I'm excited to see

767
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: how these two friends begin their repair because they remain

768
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: in the end game of it family, they remain best

769
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: friends and well, our middle our daughter's middle name is Brooke.

770
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: What I mean exactly how do we go from this? Yes, Baby,

771
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: saw your Brook. It makes me feel emotional. I love it. Um.

772
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: I think the title of this episode is like bedroom

773
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: talks because the bedroom talks in this episode are so strong.

774
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: We've got the Nathan and Haley bedroom talk where he

775
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: spies there for the first time. We've got the Brook

776
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: and Lucas bedroom talk. We've got the Karen and Lucas

777
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: bedroom talk, and then we have the Haley and Peyton

778
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: bedroom talk. I love that too. I love even discussed that.

779
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: Yet you said the most lovely thing to her. Well,

780
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: first of all, Haley pouring her heart out in a

781
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: way that isn't like she's just been so honest. Before

782
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: a girl loses her virginity, she thinks most girls think

783
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: about whether or not they're going to do it for

784
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: a very long time. It's something that gave me like

785
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: hives and and horror Show. And I was so nervous

786
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: that I built up this reputation about being like I'm

787
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: a clean teen. You know. I really had a club

788
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: called Clean Teen's in high school. I was like Queen

789
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: Virgin and I dated a boy who was not and

790
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: I remember crying in his lap, just like laying at

791
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: a party, like I just need to know it's never

792
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and so you can tell me now if

793
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: you want to, you know. And he he was lovely.

794
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: He didn't um, which was nice. That like makes you

795
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: feel nice when you take it off the table entirely

796
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know what, I like you. I

797
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: just like being around you. And Nathan says that, so

798
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Haley laying it all out, I think it was important

799
00:45:53,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: for girls to see. Yeah, I think so too. I

800
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: loved that. Um the thing that Peyton says at the chalkboard,

801
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: you were painting h J plus n S equals hard.

802
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: It's so cute. And you said, um, I say something

803
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: about how much I'm in love with him and how

804
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: I feel and all those things, and you say, well,

805
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: then you went further with him than I ever did,

806
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: because just acknowledging that that there's so much more to

807
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: a relationship and a connection than sex um. And I

808
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: think Haley really needed to hear that. Haley got a

809
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: lot of good info, good advice in this episode, I think,

810
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: which is so nice because she's so often the voice

811
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: of reason supporting everyone else. That's a great Yes, that's

812
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: a good insight to watch her get supported and poured

813
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: into and the one place she feels lost. Yeah, and

814
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: to get lots of information, you know, this information from Peyton,

815
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: that nugget from Lucas, all of all of these things,

816
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: so that she can understand why she feels conflicted and

817
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: that that's okay. And as you so wisely said, Joy,

818
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: that there's no shame in that. Yeah. I mean, you know, Hillary,

819
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about how intense it felt for you to

820
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: think about it. I remember my own anxieties like you.

821
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I hate that girls get so ashamed that they get

822
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: hives thinking about that's heartbreaking, guys, It's never gonna happen,

823
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: so I die. Honestly, we would go to parties. We

824
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: would go to parties in high school and not drink,

825
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: and like, at some point in the party. When other

826
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: people started acting stupid, we'd yell out clean teens, and

827
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: then the other girls would yell out versions for life,

828
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: and that was like, oh my god. It was like

829
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: it was like the call and response across a party,

830
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: and we thought it was so funny because we were

831
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: owning the thing that other people could have picked on.

832
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean yeah, yeah, girls gets. There

833
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: was one more thing too, that I want to say

834
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: about Hayley's tattoo, because it just really started making me think, what,

835
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: um what an intro like that? There's so many layers

836
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: in someone who would get a tattoo and sixteen years

837
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: old and hide it from everyone, even her best friend.

838
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: It's literally just for her. Yeah, that that's that takes

839
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: a certain amount of Um. I don't know. I'm a lost,

840
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm a lost for vocabulary words to anymore coffee, But

841
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: it has that ever happened? Did you get a secret tattoo? Aver?

842
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: I never got a secret tattoo? Mean that that takes

843
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: a certain amount of introverted that I don't have, Like

844
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: that's a level of I need something that's just for me,

845
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: and or maybe it's just confidence, a level of self

846
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: confidence that I didn't know where you can just be

847
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: so comfortable that you're like, I'm getting something. I don't

848
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: need to show anybody. I don't need to talk anybody

849
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: but anybody about it. I'm just it's just for me.

850
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: So y'all can all bugger off, right. I haven't thought

851
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: about it so much in that way, but I'm realizing, like,

852
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: oh I r L, I'm Haley. When it comes to tattoos,

853
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: Oh you are Do you have all those white tattoos

854
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: that nobody knows? I have a Yeah, I have a

855
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of secret tattoos. You guys have seven tattoos and

856
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: only one is in color. That's awesome and I love.

857
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: I love when I show them to people who I

858
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, trust and love, who go, how have I

859
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: never seen this? And then they never unsee it? But

860
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: and no one knows they're there, and they're just mine

861
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: to do that. As an adult, that's like, it's wonderful.

862
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: But as a kid at I can't because you met

863
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: like we're all so desperate to be seeing, like to

864
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: known firmed approved all of that stuff that for somebody

865
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: to just be like, yeah, no, I'm I'm she's got

866
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: another planets. So it was such a bold choice for

867
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: a teenager. She had to figure out how to get

868
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: permission or get that illegally and be yeah. I mean

869
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: I I started getting mine at twenty three, And truly,

870
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: I think part of it was was to make sense

871
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: of how intense all the eyeballs on us because of

872
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: the show felt. It gave me a way to make

873
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: my personhood feel like it was just for me again.

874
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Your body's a secret again, Like there's a thing you

875
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: don't get to look at or touch or comment on

876
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: or know about. Where are we going to put our

877
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: drama queens tattoos? I can't stop thinking about it. I

878
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: have ideas if we want to talk about adults making choices.

879
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, we've been wishy washy on how old Nikki

880
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: was um and in this in this episode, she talks

881
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: about tuition money, so we know she's like right, she

882
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: seems like she seems yeah. I mean, they certainly wrote

883
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: her to feel that way. They hired a Manuel. She's

884
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: got such good eyebrows and eye like she you know,

885
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,479
Speaker 1: she okay, so because she used to model and maybe

886
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: she still does, I don't know. Um And they would

887
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: need to sort of paint her eyebrows in different ways,

888
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: like sometimes it would be really extreme to the side

889
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: or like all the way up or whatever. So she

890
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: plucked her eyebrows from the arch out like toward her

891
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: ears arch out. They were completely gone. There was no

892
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: eyebrows there. It was just the main part. And um,

893
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: I had this when I went to ledge other I

894
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: just had this conversation, was like, what's going on with

895
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: your eyebrows? Because I'm so no filter? Yeah, but she

896
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: told me it was because I'm modeled. And I went

897
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: home and I plucked out my eyebrows from because I

898
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: was like, she was so cool. She is so cool.

899
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is it's you know, should we

900
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: get to see a human side of her in this?

901
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: But you guys, just so you know, we were all

902
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: so intimated by Emmanuel because she was cool, been with

903
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: those little mean poodles she carried around with her. Go,

904
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: why don't we we need to have her on? Can

905
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: we get meta come? Yeah, she's cool, He's got to

906
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: come on immediately. But it's interesting years people have always talked.

907
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I've gotten to note a number of times that it

908
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: looked like Peyton was going to kiss her before she

909
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: slapped it. And there she's a babe. Uh and we

910
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: I think we wrestle in the next episode. Um, if

911
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: memory serves me, I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. We see Nikki's humanity.

912
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: We see her humanity and it is really interesting. You know.

913
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: We touched on this a little bit in the last episode,

914
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: but there is something one of the things that creeps

915
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: in you know again that came from a room we

916
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: didn't have control of. That is weird for all of us, guys,

917
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: is the reality that Nikki's in college and Jake is

918
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: sixteen that she does again not written by Karen, the

919
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah, she inherited this information for sure,

920
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: from someone else, but that someone else cracked a joke,

921
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, wrote a line for Nikki to say, oh

922
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: I like him young and if she's twenty in Jake sixteen, Like,

923
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that's not okay. And I just

924
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: want to say, I know that that has been a

925
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: bit triggering for some fans of the show who are

926
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: realizing this information as we are, and because when we

927
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: were kids we didn't even track it because we were

928
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: all around the same age. But you know, if you

929
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: have experienced something like that, you know, we don't mean

930
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: to be redundant, but it does feel important to continue

931
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: to remind ourselves and all of you guys that if

932
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: you've been through something like this, there are resources you

933
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: can reach out to organizations to help you. There are

934
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: wonderful online and in person support groups and therapy groups

935
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: and um individual you know, resources that you can reach

936
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: out to if you need support to kind of process

937
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: um something, just to even ask questions. Yeah, we don't

938
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: want to be flippant about a thing that you know,

939
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: in a court of law would be a statutory rape case.

940
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: It is hard for us to realize that these were

941
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: some of the things that we're not well modeled on

942
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: on our show. Yeah, because what when she was a

943
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: senior in high school, it was Jake like a freshman

944
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: and eighth grader. I don't know, I mean even if

945
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: she was, yeah, because we're all supposed to be we're

946
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: all supposed to be freshman or sophomore. So we're all juniors,

947
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: sophomores or juniors. Yeah, yeah, and Jenny's Jenny's about a

948
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: year maybe less. So, oh my god, Jake was like

949
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: fourteen when they hooked up. See that's rough. Maybe she

950
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: was seventeen and then like you know, had the baby

951
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: the next year or something. This is bad math. Yeah,

952
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It just doesn't feel great for us no

953
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 1: matter what. And and you know, I think the three

954
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: of us definitely went oh and she said, I've got

955
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: spirit tuition money. We're we're like, oh we we we

956
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta talk about this. So but regardless, in

957
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: real life, Emmanuel is fabulous, wonderful, smoking, hot, and so

958
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: cool that she made or eyebrows out. Yeah, we've the

959
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: least time anyone saw Emmanuel. I don't know has anyone

960
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 1: seen her recently. I wanted to get her back when

961
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: she when she drops the bomb on Lucas that she's

962
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Jenny's mother. His reaction is so good, so good. They

963
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: both played that really, really, they really did. They really.

964
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: There was just no it felt like there was no

965
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: acting in this episode. You know, sometimes you're doing a show,

966
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: you're doing twenty two episodes and season after season, and

967
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: it can start to just sometimes it just feels like

968
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: you're you're a desk job. You can just you know,

969
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you're phoning it in, it's like, yeah,

970
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: I got lunch and that like I'm supposed to be

971
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: out of here by by noon. And I got a

972
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: lunch meeting, like let's just get this over with. There

973
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: was no phoning it in in this episode. Everybody. You

974
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: know that the scenes where you're supposed to be acting

975
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: like this is the best time ever, where I'm like, yeah,

976
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: those scenes were the ones where you're like supposed to

977
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: be at a club raging, except there's way music and

978
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: everyone's just fake in the morning, the wrong. Oh god,

979
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: those are my Those are my nightmare. Those are the

980
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: ones where I'm like, all right, channel, get it together,

981
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: get it together, think about it. Well, guys, should we

982
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: like maybe look at fan questions and spin a wheel.

983
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: The one thing I want to say about the end

984
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: of the episode, I love how this episode ended because

985
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: Lucas thanked his mother. Yes, mom, thank you if you're

986
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: out there, thank your mother. Um. That was such a

987
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: good note, especially for all the crap he's done in

988
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: these first like eighteen episodes. You know, Yeah, it was

989
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: a lovely way to end. Yeah. I'm wanting to work

990
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: with Tom right on two other shows. Have you guys

991
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: gotten to work with haven't? I would love to. He

992
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: did White Collar and I was like, oh my god, Tom,

993
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see And then He called me

994
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 1: because he was doing an episode of Castle and he

995
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: um wanted me to come in and play a Kim Kardashian.

996
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: I remember that no one would have ever thought of

997
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: me to do that. But I think what we see

998
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: in this episode where they let us do things we've

999
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: never done before, a good director will see the potential

1000
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: in you that no one else has ever seen before.

1001
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: So yes, that's Tom right, talk, let's do a question.

1002
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: We've got a fan question from Bia, which I think

1003
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: is actually so genius. I wouldn't have thought about this,

1004
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: but we've talked in the earlier part of the episodes

1005
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: about how Chad had a tattoo on his shoulder and

1006
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: they needed to figure out how to cover it, so

1007
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: they gave Lucas a tattoo, and Bia is asking did

1008
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: Joy actually already have a tattoo? And that did that

1009
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: influence the Haley tattoo moment storyline, Joy, you've got tattoos,

1010
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: but I don't think you have one there. Oh no, no,

1011
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: that was just it was just painted on. That's just

1012
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: me sitting in a chair and then spray me with

1013
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: a stencil. Um. Yeah, it was a stencil. It wasn't

1014
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: like a it eventually was, but the first because we

1015
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: only saw it twice and we didn't know how many

1016
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: more times we were going to see it. So I

1017
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: think the first two times it was painted on and

1018
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: then they might have gotten a Stanci because I mean,

1019
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: if you see it, it it looks like a sticker at

1020
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: the saint right, and you know, it looks like when

1021
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: they would paint your tears your face with the cheerleading

1022
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: they are cheerleading cheek. Yeah, it was. I think it

1023
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: was the exact same paint, the same everything, and they

1024
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: just put just put some hair sprays mock on net.

1025
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: We filmed it. We filmed on film, you know, so

1026
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: everything was kind of soft and you could like fudge

1027
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: things like stubble and like tattoos. Now that we shoot

1028
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: on HD, if you don't actually tattoo it on the person,

1029
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: it looks so fake. So it's a different it's a

1030
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: different medium. That's hilarious. It would have actually been kind

1031
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: of amazing if they had had to cover you having

1032
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: a tattoo with a like it just would have Oh,

1033
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: that would have been funny. No, I don't have one,

1034
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: but did they because you have a cool tattoo on

1035
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: your foot? Did they cover that up for Haley or

1036
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: did they like they did h No, they covered it

1037
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: up most of the time. I think they were eventually.

1038
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean there were times, and there were seasons where

1039
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: I was like wearing glasses in an episode randomly because

1040
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: I just like, I had my glasses on set and

1041
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: I forgot to take them off the top of my head.

1042
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: And then they were like, oh, Joy, Continuity, you're wearing

1043
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: your glasses. And I was like, whatever, I'll just put

1044
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: them on my face. And then Haley has glasses for

1045
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: like suddenly she's got bad vision when she reads for

1046
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: like an episode, and there's stuff like where you'll see

1047
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,479
Speaker 1: my tattoo and then it goes away and then it's there.

1048
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Continuity is a whole life of its own

1049
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: on this show. Yeah, when you're working eighteen hours a day,

1050
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's impossible. You do start to lose your

1051
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: mind a little bit. I feel like they let you

1052
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: keep your foot tattoo. Once we came back after the

1053
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: time jump, Oh yeah, it might have been. Yeah, it

1054
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: could have been. Well, we'll see when we get there.

1055
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, when we get to season five,

1056
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: we're all going to be looking at Joy's feet. We

1057
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: will have an answer for you in season five. All right,

1058
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: here we go spinning the wheel. Most likely to be

1059
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Speaker 1: a social media influencer Bevin Bevin. Yes, in like real

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Speaker 1: life and in in pretend land, because she's so likable,

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Speaker 1: Like Bevin is the girl who could do a TikTok

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Speaker 1: that you're like, oh my god. Yeah, and like I'm

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Speaker 1: obsessed with this company that she has started back in

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Speaker 1: Wilmington's what's that? I don't know anything about Recess. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's so cool. Bevin had been like this high ranking

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Speaker 1: Soul Cycle instructor for years. Started yeah, like at the

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Speaker 1: major facility here in New York, and she moved back

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Speaker 1: to Wilmington and the pandemic and opened up Recess, which

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Speaker 1: isn't you know it's a gym where you do things

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Speaker 1: that are like fun. Jim's can be so toxic and weird,

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Speaker 1: and Bevin is fun. She's walking fun. Yes, she is

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Speaker 1: so fun. I mean we were like campaigning for years

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Speaker 1: to get Bevan on s and now I still stand

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Speaker 1: by that. But it's it's been so cool to watch

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Speaker 1: her find her passion and then, like Hillary said, you know,

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Speaker 1: become like a top person in Soul Cycle which is

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Speaker 1: such a huge company, and then go and start her

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Speaker 1: own like what a what a legend? Yeah, wins wins.

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Speaker 1: I like it when we have an easy answer, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Come back next week We've got episode twenty what is

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Speaker 1: and what should Never Be? I don't know what happens

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Speaker 1: in this episode. I'm like, I don't need fetching up

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Speaker 1: with everyone, um, but we've had some much fun with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching this episode with us. If you're not

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Speaker 1: watching along, we encourage you to do so, or at

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Speaker 1: least just this episode because this one was gold. Because

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Speaker 1: this one's so good, maybe watch episode nineteen twice because

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Speaker 1: it's it's really that good. See you guys later, Bye,

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Speaker 1: love you, Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave

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Speaker 1: next time. Were all about that high school drama? Girl,

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Speaker 1: drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take

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Speaker 1: you for a ride at our comic girl cheering for

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Speaker 1: You could sit with us, Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama,

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