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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to At Mike episode sixty six, The

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast and with Canna Fairchild from a little Bit

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Speaker 1: down Hill. We tried to do this before. I know

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Speaker 1: that was my fault. We got bumped for some little show,

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Speaker 1: The Voice or something, is that what it's called. So

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Speaker 1: because that was a finale, right, and who did you

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Speaker 1: sing with? Lauren? Lauren? Yeah? I got the other day

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Speaker 1: at c M a fest pulled on my day, get comfortable,

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Speaker 1: you know, the mess of your fancy mind. I think

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Speaker 1: that might might it calls forty do really it sounds good,

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Speaker 1: it looks fancy gold, but it's not real gold. It's

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Speaker 1: all smoking mirrors up here. So when you go to

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Speaker 1: a show like The Voice, they only called they call

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Speaker 1: you a week at a time lessons, and they I

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Speaker 1: think it was less than that. I was like maybe

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Speaker 1: three or four days and they were, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out what song and what she would sing

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Speaker 1: on the finale. And I guess we were on her list. Well,

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Speaker 1: we had of people that she really wanted to collaborate with. Wow,

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Speaker 1: so they get to actually make like a Sandy's wish list,

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Speaker 1: and I think so, and so they and she had

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Speaker 1: done better man on the show in the battle round,

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Speaker 1: and and so they had called Jason and said, is

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Speaker 1: there anyway He's like, well, they're off and the Bobby

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Speaker 1: cast and the Bobby cast and and so I was like,

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Speaker 1: I think Bobby would probably understand if you let him

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Speaker 1: know that it's the voice he I mean, he he'll

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Speaker 1: probably be okay if we rescheduled. So thank you. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool though, right, And she didn't win, but you

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Speaker 1: know it's funny country people do so well on that

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Speaker 1: show because they won. Here's why this is my theory,

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Speaker 1: because I think everything is everything is money to me. Everything.

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Speaker 1: You think Blake couldn't win this year, I think that

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Speaker 1: Blake can't win every year. So they had to find

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Speaker 1: years to not let them win. But country artists still

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Speaker 1: spend money on music. Not artists, buyers consumers either heart seats.

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Speaker 1: We start the format when people buy the most, still physical,

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Speaker 1: and we download the most, more so than stream. So

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Speaker 1: they can sell music to country consumers, so if they

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Speaker 1: can find them. My thing is every year they find

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Speaker 1: one or two really good country people and they boost

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Speaker 1: them up and so and listen, I think I didn't

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Speaker 1: watch the show, but I watch enough of it. To know,

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Speaker 1: and I thought she should have wanted by what I watched.

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Speaker 1: But they can't let Blake win every year. I know.

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Speaker 1: I know Blake is man when he like engages his

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Speaker 1: audience and says, don't y'all. I mean the country fans

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Speaker 1: are going to show us tonight what they think. I'm like, God,

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Speaker 1: here he goes again. He's gonna win again, and they do.

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Speaker 1: I know, like everybody, it's all. I have such a weird,

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Speaker 1: like love hate relationship with them, with this town. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: they get really irritated with the fans and the listeners.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I've never seen anything like it before, and

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Speaker 1: I don't deserve. They're very passionate, like don't you see

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Speaker 1: when you go out, like they wait weeks months, like

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Speaker 1: they take their money that they were I know, they

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Speaker 1: come to a show. Yeah, they pick like a couple

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Speaker 1: of shows they can do a year, and they can

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Speaker 1: still here. I mean, it's funny whenever you say you're

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Speaker 1: country music, it would feel like, you know, you guys

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Speaker 1: in the last five years have just become superstars, Like

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Speaker 1: here's a little bit down. Well I don't, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel I mean, I don't feel superstars. Now

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Speaker 1: you guys are, now you're you are, and it's time.

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Speaker 1: And I not say this everybody, it's time for you

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Speaker 1: guys to be in the echelon of entertainment of the year.

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Speaker 1: And it's weird to put a group in there, But

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Speaker 1: if Florida George Line can be there, I think you

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Speaker 1: and I think once that kind of seal was broken,

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Speaker 1: And he is what entertainer of the year. That's the definition.

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Speaker 1: With Zach brown Man, they're so good. I have said

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Speaker 1: Tiger Woods whenever he was in his prime. Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: really respect that. But with Zach brown Band, I was like, now,

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Speaker 1: greatest country band of all time. Now Alabama has way

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and and like lady A, we're super close

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Speaker 1: to them. I mean everybody in that category they're friends

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Speaker 1: But that's hoverybody fights about, like who should win, not

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Speaker 1: who do people like more somebody likes you guys more

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Speaker 1: like it's people because that's never here. And Zack's quiet

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Speaker 1: Zach would like what a weirdo. We used to tour

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Speaker 1: Whenever people start talking about preseverance in the industry, and

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Speaker 1: And then that time you guys have become superstars. But

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Speaker 1: I guess my point, how many label deals did you

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Speaker 1: record deals as a group. As a group, does that

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Speaker 1: mean you've been dropped three times? We have been dropped

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Speaker 1: And then we were at an indie label. That's where

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Speaker 1: and that was the little indie label called um Equity

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Speaker 1: forgot almost forgot what the labels called Equity. But they're

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Speaker 1: what happened? Equity? Did they go away? They went away?

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Speaker 1: every girl by the way. Ever, they've all rejected me

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Speaker 1: But they didn't like my boots, and I planned my

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Speaker 1: But anyhow, I don't know. I think cat seller doesn't

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Speaker 1: How many years was it that you didn't matter forever,

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Speaker 1: So okay, you leave truth. Were you really like superbly

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Speaker 1: of my goat you do your research. And I made

426
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: that record with Chris Harris, UM posted the Bachelor, No nothing,

427
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: what if it was Gris Harrison. So this, this duo

428
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: is called It's very creative Karen Lee because you were

429
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: named Yeah, the cover looked like a like a J. C.

430
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: Pianny Catalogs cover and so this was gospel yeah yeah ish,

431
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: but more in the vein that I felt comfortable with,

432
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: you know, literally recognized money. Is that what you mean?

433
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: Is that? Like I'm trying to know, Like because we

434
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: were you know, it was more of our voice. Truth

435
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: was more of um the guy that was in charge

436
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: his voice. We were just hired peeture, you know. But Um,

437
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: I have not heard this. I swear to you, I

438
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: have not heard this in like fifteen years. I don't know.

439
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's me this love has

440
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. So that's what I did afterwards.

441
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: And then Lee and I um did the same thing.

442
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: We were just like one day, I mean we were

443
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: so broke and um we were both married. I was

444
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: not married to Jimmy then, Um we were married. I

445
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: was married to someone else, Mark Childers, super great guy

446
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: who was Carrie Underwood's band director. Now musically I just

447
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: met him. He's like best friend with Carrie and Mike

448
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: and then his wife, Ivy child I was married to Mark.

449
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: That's what a small small town, small world. So okay,

450
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: how old are you that when you guys are in

451
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: this duo? Oh gosh, in my twenties. So, um, I

452
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville and ninety four. Yeah, so and this

453
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: is in Nashville. You did this in Nashville. This we

454
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: did this in Nashville. Chris Harris, who's an amazing musician.

455
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: He produced that record and um not the one of

456
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: the greatest kids. Can't save it for ready? Did You're

457
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: kind of you're kind of torturing me right now, just

458
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: because not that I don't have the fondest memories of this,

459
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: but part of it was part of growing up. It's

460
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: part of the story too. It is part of this

461
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: without the truth and without Karen Lee, you have a

462
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: little big town. That's true, Like you wouldn't well, Kimberly

463
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: and I were friends before this. Okay, cool, but you

464
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: didn't get together, that's true. Without all of this, none

465
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: of this. No, you're you're right, part of the story,

466
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: part of the story. So you guys decide this is

467
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: your life. Um yeah, we we still talk all the time.

468
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: She just came to the last rhyme and show and

469
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: brought her whole family, and um, she like, dang, I

470
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: was with Camper because she's in a group called Point

471
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: of Grace. Yeah. Yeah, so she stayed. She went on

472
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: to do like, Um, we both were singing demos for

473
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: people and singing and like trying to make a living.

474
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: I used to sing at Amay conventions and sing like

475
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: cover tunes and stuff, and I would get paid to

476
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: put a band together. And she and I did that

477
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: for a long time and that's how we paid our bills.

478
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: So after Karen Lee maybe a little bit during Karen

479
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: Lely a terrible name, by the way, it's a horrible name.

480
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: What a terrible name. And I think that I want

481
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: to blame that on the label at the time, but

482
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: I have to take responsibility that I was standing there

483
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: and how come your name got to go first. I

484
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: have no idea because I would think and a two

485
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: man and we'd be like a coin flip Lee Karen.

486
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter it's always because anything sounds normal once

487
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: you say it. Like the first time I heard Florida

488
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: Georgia Line, I was like, that's the dumbest name ever heard.

489
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Now she's just normal. Yeah, Chumba Womba, I was like,

490
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: one of the greatest mans of history of music. Now

491
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: it's just normal? Are they no? God, I have one song?

492
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I missed the Chumba thing. So

493
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: you and Lee, uh, you're a duo and you're no

494
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: longer a duo? No, we just we both looked at

495
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: each other, like, are you having fun? She's like not really,

496
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm not either, and so we just decided that

497
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: we would let it go. So then what do you do?

498
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: So then I'm singing demos like crazy? Do you sing

499
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: any hits for people that you remember? Like you sang

500
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: a demo for I sang she only smokes when she drinks.

501
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: I think I sing a female version of that. I

502
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: want to say it was that demo I used to

503
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: sing like all the time, demos and sessions and just

504
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: whatever I could do. Do you feel like you're better

505
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: than a lot of the people around you? Like really

506
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: like in your heart? We're like, man, how come I

507
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: just am not. I got a ticket one day and

508
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: I had like teared up on the road after it

509
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: was like after a session or I think we had

510
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: lost a deal, or maybe we were close to getting

511
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: a deal. I can't remember, but I just remember thinking, God,

512
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: this is never going to happen. And I was kind

513
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: of by myself in the car, like really, I'm not

514
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: a super emotional person, but I was emotional and I

515
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: got a ticket. I guess I was feeding while I

516
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: was crying, and so I had to drive it up

517
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: on the cop I'm too pridful, like, oh y, you

518
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: supposed to leave it for the cops to turn it

519
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: up and not. I know I should have, but I didn't.

520
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: So I got a ticket, And then then I was

521
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: even more sad, like loser. But what were you frustrated though?

522
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Because you did you feel like I'm I'm really good,

523
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: yet nobody's taken notice of me, or I haven't succeeded,

524
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: like I'm watching my peers around me. Do Yeah? I

525
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: mean I really felt that way when when the band

526
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: got together and the four of us we got a

527
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: record deal fast and we've got multiple offers and we signed,

528
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: and we thought this is gonna be amazing, and we

529
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: sang in a like an Oscar Dal Lahoya fight on HBO,

530
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: and I mean they you know, all of a sudden,

531
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: we were in limousines and we were thinking, this is

532
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: this is it? Like this is going to happen. And

533
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: our first show was at the Opery, so we had

534
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: never sung in public until the Grand Old Opery. Yeah,

535
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: so we were just thinking that was going to be it,

536
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: and then it wasn't. So you and Kimberly knew each

537
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: other first, but you didn't sing together. We sang together

538
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: in college and like we were in this yeah, but

539
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: we were buddies, like we hit it off at choir camp.

540
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: But then you've moved. You both weren't not in Nashville.

541
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: She was in Knoxville. I was in nash fill And

542
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: and she was commuting and she was singing. She did

543
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: an independent record, um and was she was singing like

544
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: little Honky Talks from here to Knoxville and traveling back

545
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: and forth. And then she moved. And so as soon

546
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: as she moved, we started hanging out and we were

547
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: just brainstorming. One day I was I was like gonna

548
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: do a country solo thing that was going to be

549
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: and so was she, and then we started brainstorm and

550
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: like maybe we should do something together. But the Dixie

551
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Chicks were like monstrous. They were selling millions of records,

552
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: and we were like, why would we do a girls

553
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: group because nobody's going to do it better than them.

554
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no purpose in doing that. But then

555
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: we started thinking, well, nobody's ever done like a Mom's

556
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: and the Papas or a Fleetwood Mac and country music

557
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: not with not where you could you know, like really

558
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: have the harmonies be the lead singer. So we took

559
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: off trying to do it. Was it ever thought to

560
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: call the group Karen Kimberly because I love the idea

561
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: of taking two names and slamming them together, not ever

562
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: one time, not everyone time. So it's you two and

563
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, we're gonna do something. Um where did

564
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy come in? We thought it was gonna be a trio.

565
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: And at the time I was married to Mark and

566
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: he was on the road with Shelley right he was

567
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: in a band with Okay, Shelley and then Jay DeMarcus

568
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: from Rascoe Flats and Joe Don ruining Rascal Flats. They

569
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: were all in a band together. So Kimberly and I

570
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: used to go down and see Rascal Flats play at

571
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: the Fiddle and Steel Bar downtown, and Gary used to

572
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: show up and saying we were like, holy cow, oh

573
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, but they weren't a band yet.

574
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: There was just always different configurations of them up there,

575
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: and we were looking for walking me through this. So

576
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: Gary would show up and sing with Jay and Joe

577
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: Don playing in a different band. Yeah, they would sing

578
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: at the Fiddle and Steel like when they weren't out

579
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: with Shelley right, and there was some other but they weren't,

580
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: but they would come together and play. But then they

581
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: all go back there on their own ways. Yeah, okay, yeah.

582
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: I think Gary might have been singing back up for

583
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Michael English at the time. And then Billy Currington would

584
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: show up and he would just hop up and sing,

585
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: so we would we would be all kind of hanging

586
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: out together, and and then I think I think it

587
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: was Joe do On first or Gary first, one of

588
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: them sang with us first, and then that didn't work out.

589
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: So you're saying a little big town at one point,

590
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: was you Kimberly and one of the Flat I wish

591
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: we had one of them in here, one of the flats, Like,

592
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: if Jay were in here, then we could really tell

593
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: the story together really well. We should do that sometimes.

594
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were not a band yet. We were

595
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: not a band. And Jay is still mad that I

596
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: we never asked him to be in a little big town. Yeah.

597
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: If it were Joe Don though, it would probably the

598
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: greatest looking band of all time. Joe Don Um. Yeah,

599
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Joe Don't played with us for a little while. And

600
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: then then Jay, Gary and Jodan decided they should be

601
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: a band. That's crazy. And so then we got the

602
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: phone call of like, we're going to be a band.

603
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: We love you all, but sorry, and we were like, dad,

604
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: gum it, we've been working on this forever. In your mind.

605
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: What was the perfect scenario at that point? At that

606
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: point we thought then Jimmy, Jimmy was a part of it.

607
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Who did you think the band was going to be

608
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: at that point? I thought it was gonna be Jimmy,

609
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Kimberly and me and Jodan. Yeah. I kind of thought

610
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Gary was just chasing his he was, he was amazing,

611
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: but I could tell he wanted to do something with Jay.

612
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: So and then then we were like well, dad, gum it,

613
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: this just isn't meant to be, like not with not

614
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: with them, And then they put out a song and

615
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: it like just took off. I mean literally they left

616
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: us in the dust like that. Well it I mean,

617
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: we were happy for them, but it was it was

618
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: not saying you weren't happy, but you're on the same

619
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: level one day and nine days later, they're on freaking team.

620
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: They have a number one show, they're like on every

621
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: late night show. They're selling millions of records and and

622
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: opening up for Vince Gill and all these people. And weird,

623
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: still we're still back at the house. Part of the

624
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: band that you was in. Your band is now selling

625
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: a million records. Yeah, that's crazy and weird, but it

626
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: also shows you how fast things can happen. Yeah, Like

627
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: I talked to so many writers and performers and they're like,

628
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: you know what, it was never happening, and if there

629
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: it went, I never thought it was gonna happen the

630
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: next thing. You know. I look back and it's like

631
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: that was the moment for them, that was the moment.

632
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: That's why you can't quit, because like we didn't. We

633
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: didn't have the easiest of journeys. But um, it was

634
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: so like meant to be. Clearly they were supposed to

635
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: be the Rascal Flats and clearly we were supposed to

636
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: be in the band together. If you call them the

637
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: rascal Flats, I'll get piste. Oh did I say that that? Well?

638
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: Did I say that? I'm sorry because they scolded me

639
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: rascal flats. We're not called the Rascal Flats. Do I

640
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: call you that? Bobby Bones is not even near a microphone.

641
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess that is weird. Somebody said

642
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: the little you do not call me because we're not

643
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: the Rascal Flats. Sorry, y'all, I mean, yeah, goes to

644
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: the thing. It's not you and Kimberly again, Well, it's me,

645
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Kimberly and Jimmy and you guys have now decided we're

646
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna try to make it as a trio. Well, somebody

647
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: challenged us, like to to make it for really early

648
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: on in the days, a guy named Brian Tankersley, who

649
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: was an engineer. He was like, man, if you guys

650
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: added a fourth person, it would it would give you

651
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: the flexibility to like one person take the lead and

652
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: keep the three part like country triad going on and

653
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: so much more versatility, and we're like, you're right that

654
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: that would be cool, but that finding that fourth person

655
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: was really really hard. I mean, that's part of the

656
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: story of the Rascal Flat deal way back years ago.

657
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: So we met Philip after all that happened. We met

658
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: Philip through a songwriter in Nashville, and Kimberly and I

659
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: met him at Starbucks and Franklin and we exchanged music

660
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 1: like c ds and like he had his own music.

661
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: Was he a lead singer of whatever project was? Yes,

662
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: And he was about to sign he wanted to do

663
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: like a Johnny Lang like Blue Um, you know, singer

664
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: songwriter deal, and he was about to sign his life

665
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: a way to kind of not a great publishing deal,

666
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: actually a bad publishing deal. And so anyhow, he we

667
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: talked him out of that and we got we got

668
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: in the car. Kimberly and I were like, well, he's

669
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: way too too handsome and well spoken to be good.

670
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: So we were dreading putting his CD in the car,

671
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: and then there that we hadn't heard him yet. Just

672
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: somebody somebody had been bragging on him that he was

673
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: an amazing singer. So that was like going to be

674
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: the exchange of music and we got in the car

675
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh my gosh, he's got this voice.

676
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: And we had always said if we could have a

677
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: singer that sounded like he smoked all day, that that

678
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: would really change the texture of our voices together. And

679
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: that's what Philip sounds like. Was there somebody in between

680
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Philip or seven somebody's where you kept trying

681
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: and they didn't. It didn't work. No, and we never

682
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: sang as a band until we were Philip and Jimmy

683
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: and Kimberly and I. The night at the Opery, I

684
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: think we sang in CIA's conference room with Joe Don

685
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: once as Joe Don is the other member. Huh, Jimmy

686
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Joe Don. I I gotta ask jod on that, but

687
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: I think it was one afternoon on like a conference

688
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: room deal of playing our agent songs. I have video.

689
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I have video of any of the

690
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 1: jod On Gary stuff, but we have video, Like way back,

691
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: I have video of like some CIA meetings and where

692
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: we were trying to figure out if we could afford

693
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: to open up for Billy Gilman and what people don't understand,

694
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: you say afford to open up. It costs money. It's

695
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: not like I just use my girlfriend as an example,

696
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: because she won't care afou us it. She's hoping for

697
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: Brad Paisley right now, and Brad says, I'll give you

698
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: one dollar per show, and you have to figure out

699
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: how to get your travel there, how to eat, how

700
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: to pay for your band, and sometimes it cost a

701
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: dollar in five cents, right, So it's can you last

702
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: for She's doing like sixty days with Brad, and Brad's

703
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: very generous to yeah, and the people are so kindle,

704
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: and it's they're very She got lucky with Brad um

705
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: but a lot of artists struggle and they lose money

706
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: forever forever. And then when you're splitting it four ways,

707
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to get that in a minute. I don't

708
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: even know how I mean. Then you're like really, like,

709
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: are you splitting it four ways? Yeah? Oh yeah? And

710
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: I used to rent the van. It was my job.

711
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: I would advance the shows and the tour manager. I

712
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: was like the tour managers. Sometimes I would advance under

713
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: a different name. What's your fake name? Do you remember?

714
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: I can't remember? Was it something crazy? Like Karen could

715
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: be crazy? That would have been good. Why didn't I

716
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: think of that? I needed you run? Yeah, so, but

717
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: we would we would have to come up with Okay,

718
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: a sprinter van, not a sprinter van on a white van,

719
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, not even there was a mini bus with

720
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: little beds. But it feels like you're laying in the

721
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: back of a truck when you hit bumps lane. Yeah,

722
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: if this would just be like a regular fifteen passenger

723
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: van and then we would figure out meals and Starbucks

724
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: and and literally I have video of like me beating

725
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: little big Town bracelets in the front of the van

726
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: because we needed to sell. We needed to sell like

727
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: ten bracelets and fifteen t shirts and to have gas

728
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: to make it back home. Do you look back at

729
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: that time the and go, man, that was fun, Like man,

730
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: that we're looking back at the struggle, the real struggle,

731
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: because I I do that now. I look back when

732
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: I was at the time, it was more of the

733
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck, like I was below and now would

734
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: have to do extra things to me. But that was

735
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: the most fun because I had everything in front of me. Yeah,

736
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: we used to go. We would we would drive for

737
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours, and just the four of us,

738
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: and we were so tight and we would just like dream,

739
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: just sit out and dream and while we were driving

740
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: of things that we could do and what we would

741
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: do if we ever had a little bit of success

742
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: and a little bit of money. And that's why now

743
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: it's so amazing, it really is, because it was a long, long,

744
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: long time. Who was the person that said a little

745
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: big town that name? Yeah? Little um it was. It

746
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: was a publishing company, a little bit town Publishing And

747
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: did they go away before you? And so you thought

748
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: that's cool, keep it. Well, we we were messing with

749
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: town names because of like Kimberly and Jimmy and Philip

750
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: are like from tiny, tiny, tiny towns. And I was

751
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of the city girl, and we were

752
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: trying to find names that reflected the music. And somebody

753
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: turned over a c D and it's a little Big

754
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Town Publishing and we're like, maybe that's the name. You know. Again,

755
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: you become kind of names, you know what I mean,

756
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: Like you said about Florida Georgia line or it was not,

757
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: But now a little Big Towns is the name. Yeah,

758
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: it's just the name of the group that you hear

759
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: all the time. It's not even weird, but I would

760
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: think that the first time, little big talent, that was

761
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: weird to you. Yeah, it's signsighted, it is. Think about

762
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: the first time. It is very selfish thing for me

763
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: to tell anything about think about the first time and

764
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: you won't remember it, but that you ever heard my

765
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: stupid name Bobby Bones, Like who is that a pirate?

766
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: That a porn star? Like, so, is Bobby Bones your

767
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: real name? No? No, no, I would like Bobby And

768
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: so I was given that name when I was like

769
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: seventeen and I got to get her copy of my

770
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: book on the way out. I'll I'll sign it for

771
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: him when she lives. Um. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. I was.

772
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I know I was. I know it wasn't it's only

773
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: on Wikipedia. Don't worry. No, no, that's not a real name.

774
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: And I I don't even hide it, but it's um it

775
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: was forced on me. I say, the team and so

776
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: like you can be Bobby Bones, Bobby Z. I was

777
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: a kid, I know, I was like, well Bones at

778
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: least sounds like an actual person. And so everywhere I

779
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: was I went, I was connected to somewhere else because

780
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I went from Hot Springs, Arkansas to Little Rock shared

781
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: some listening audience Little Rock to Austin, Texas, and I

782
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: was already doing nights, and then Austin I was started

783
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: doing a national night show, and then the morning everything

784
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: was connected. I can never leave the stupid name. Everybody

785
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: want to had the stupid name. It's not stupid now,

786
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: it's not because it's normal, because it's normal, and it's

787
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: because it is something you know, like it becomes. I

788
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: feel it a little hurt, you know my real name,

789
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: like a little bit of my fathers. I'm gonna be

790
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: honest and be selfish a second. My fanis a little hurt,

791
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: you know my real name. That's okay. I didn't want

792
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: to hurt your feelings, and we should that. That's honestly.

793
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: When you can openly ask and hurt feelings, when you

794
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: can put other people at the risk and see, it

795
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: means you're being open and honest. I'm sorry. Why would

796
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: you be sorry? You didn't know. Let me talk about

797
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: wag Walker for a second. So let me talk about

798
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: wag Walker for a second. It is an on demand

799
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: app for getting a dog walker. It's like a bur

800
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: for your dog. I use it all the time. Just

801
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: search wag Walking in the app store. You can search

802
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: wag I love it because again, let's say I'm at

803
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: work and it's like one PM and my dogs that

804
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: go out, I go boop, find somebody close and they'll

805
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: come to the house so thoroughly vetted, so I mean

806
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: they know these people quality experience. You can GPS track

807
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: your dog's walk. You have notifications if your dog uses

808
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: the bathroom, piece poops, your apple, actually bark at you.

809
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: There's a photo report, cards sumbody after each walk. You

810
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: know your dog's home. It's safe in details and how

811
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: many times use the bathroom. You don't have to be home.

812
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: That's when I use it. That's the only time I

813
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: use it actually is when I'm not home. Wag send

814
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: you a free lock box or you can leave an

815
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: alternate home access instruction, and so you can say, hey,

816
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: get in this way. You know the type of code

817
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: in My dog just jumped up here on me right now.

818
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, Dusty, and the dog walker can will come

819
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: in anyway. If I must have, I think it must

820
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: have app for every dog owner. Just search wag walking

821
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: in the app store. Could your first wag walk for

822
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: free by texting the word bones to four bones B

823
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: one to four wagg Willson do you link download the

824
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: appat your first free wag All right, so add some

825
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: stuff for you here, wag walker. You have dog? I do, honey, Um,

826
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: old dog, nine months old puppy? Are you training the puppy?

827
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: Who's training the puppy? We have a trainer um out

828
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: at Cedar Valley Canine really good? Yeah? Why do you

829
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: have a trainer for yours? My dog is now fourteen

830
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: and when I have my dog, when he was young,

831
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I could not afford a trainer. Um, so I yeah,

832
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: animals are expensive. My dog is a better life than

833
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: I do. Probably, like he just chills. Where is your downstairs?

834
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: His own room, just chilling, like being a single guy

835
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: and you know, nice hours. We got some room, got

836
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: the backyard. He has his own room. I got kids

837
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: or anything yet, So he just chills. You'll just be

838
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: a great dad. I don't know. I don't know. If

839
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. One more thing you

840
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: don't know about. I don't know anything. I want to

841
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: play some stuff I'm talking about me. I don't wanna

842
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: talk to me. You're a little big town. You're in

843
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: a van, You're driving all around the country. Are you

844
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: opening for whom when we're in a van. Yeah, probably

845
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: the most Phil Vassar. And then Keith took us out

846
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: on like a weekend, a couple of weekends of shows.

847
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: Was it Keith because I had a bunch of talk

848
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: to Keith? Was it Keith while he was still crazy Keith?

849
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: Or was the Keith after he kind of fixed himself?

850
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: The first ones were crazy Keith um and then not

851
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: crazy Yeah, but he let me tell you, even crazy

852
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: Keith was still like this amazing good I didn't know

853
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: crazy Keith sold like just amazing person. And so yeah,

854
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: just a different part of his journey. But both we

855
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: we too. We've toured with Keith more than we've toured

856
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: with anybody. And Keith was the first guy that ever

857
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: gave us a chance on a big stage, like an

858
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: arena tour. It was him. Did you guys consider a

859
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: band or a vocal group? Like we like boys to

860
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: men or we like Hanson? Like if you had to

861
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: pick one, Like, what did you consider yourself? Because a

862
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of times we just see maybe three of you

863
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 1: and then one has a guitar, maybe two guitar. Well,

864
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: but you haven't I know, I'm going to get my

865
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: feelings hurt. I've seen your shows and you've been around you.

866
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: Of course you have been around you, But I'm saying yeah,

867
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: but but you haven't seen us play like just the

868
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: four of us. Let me think for a second. Hold

869
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: on a minute, have I ever seen before? So like

870
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: to be fair, I don't get to I'm on the

871
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: road every weekend. My feelings really aren't hurt. Good because

872
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: you can wikipedia my name really easy. Um, okay, back

873
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: to my question, do you can see yourself more like

874
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: boys to Man or Hanson? But wait, can we get

875
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: back to the name thing really quick? What did ever

876
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: you want? You're control here? No? Um, like John Mellencamp

877
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: doesn't like to ever be referred to as John Cougar Mellencamp. Yeah,

878
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: so I didn't know if if your name you didn't

879
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: know my name's okay, I didn't know your name, but

880
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I don't a bad thing? Now.

881
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: Of course, there's no like I told you before we

882
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: went on there, Jake and I got into a screaming

883
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: match on this, there's no rules here. Okay, just talk

884
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: about say whatever you want, ask whatever you want. I

885
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: don't care. Okay, So back to Hanson or boys men?

886
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: Are you more like handsOn or boy? Well? Boys to men?

887
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: I think, okay, but I think more like hill billy

888
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Mamas and the Papas or Fleetwood mac Fair. But people

889
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe that don't know music or below thirty five won't

890
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: get that reference. True, but we'll they'll get boys. Amen,

891
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: Water runs Dry. I'll make Love to you on Bend Kneed.

892
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: The two albums, the Blue album, Are you kidding me?

893
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: You come on? No? I love them Nineties. I just

894
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: saw them sing last year with Dan and Shay. It

895
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, boy, yeah, you can talk about seventies

896
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: versus nineties. Yeah that's why. So okay, so okay your

897
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: boys to men, your country boys to mind. And here

898
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: you are. You're up there, and let me play a

899
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: song for you. Here. Tell me about the song right here.

900
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: This sounds like a church song. Yea, yes, it sounds

901
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: like the guys part from the girls parts are split

902
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: up on purpose where you're not allowed to dance with

903
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: each other. It's like you're singing across from each other

904
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: at church. That's what I picture in my head. You

905
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: know what that that is? That's an overthought record, um,

906
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: and that is us not having our voice, like not

907
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: fully knowing who we are the moment, but there's elements

908
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: of us way in there, you know, what are you

909
00:47:51,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: here with some good stories about this record? So, um,

910
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: we didn't want that to be the single. Yeah, but

911
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: they didn't listen to us. Did you begrudgingly go out

912
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: and perform it? And like, oh no, because we know

913
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: but but and I like I like the song. We

914
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: like the song. Fine, it's just that we it shouldn't

915
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: have been a first single and and the record, um,

916
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: and we blame ourselves for this, but we it's kind

917
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: of like a vanilla dout version of us, you know,

918
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: like very too much thinking. You can get in the

919
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: studio and just like think too much, and you can

920
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: have people around you that think too much, and sometimes

921
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: that doesn't make for the best music, but it also

922
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: is part of the journey. It's like sometimes you just

923
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: don't come out of the gate getting it right, and

924
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: it's not anybody's fault. Like the people that we made

925
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: those records with were obviously trying hard. You know, they

926
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: wanted us to break and they weren't trying to do

927
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: a bad job. They weren't trying to put a bad no,

928
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: not at all. I wondered Lee of my favorite group

929
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: Karring Lee. By the way, I wonder if she is

930
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: like man I could have been Kimberly in a little

931
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: big town. No, because I think she thinks too much

932
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: that that she had a path and we had a

933
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: path and it was all what it was supposed to Okay,

934
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: so don't waste my time? Doesn't work? Right? Do you

935
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: get dropped after that? Um? I think we had do

936
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: we have one more? I think we had one more

937
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: single than we got dropped. And so when you're dropped,

938
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: how does that work? What do you get a call?

939
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: And we were on the five o'clock news, you know,

940
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: Dmitria Calademos and everybody. I think that's channel. I can't

941
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: remember the channel that is. Um, we were a part

942
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: of a mass exodus of artists at Sony and I

943
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: think they're like fifteen artists that got dropped and we

944
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: were one of them. But for some reason, and we

945
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned on the news and that we had owed

946
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: like millions of dollars in recording debt. But isn't that

947
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: you don't really have to pay unless you make it right? Yeah,

948
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: And but it was weird that we we were on

949
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: the news and it kind of really it just sucked

950
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: because we were thinking, God, now we're damaged. Goods were

951
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: two label deals in you know, we were out of

952
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: the Mercury deal. Now we got dropped on Sony. We

953
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: had Boondocks and Bring It on Home, and Sony still

954
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: dropped us. So that means they really didn't want us.

955
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: When you say when you said you had Boondocks, like

956
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: it was already out or you had it sitting there

957
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: ready to get We had it ready to go, So

958
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't it wasn't out yet. Never listened to this

959
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: on the radio. I love the end of the song. Thanks.

960
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: This was the first time we we got the sound

961
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: right and like got in the studio and we didn't

962
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: have anybody looking over our shoulder and we made the

963
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: music we wanted to make. And we were broke and

964
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: like three oroken relationships and a husband that passed away,

965
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: and it was a difficult time for the band, but

966
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: we found our solace in making music. And you know,

967
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: when you're desperate, then you really get down to it.

968
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: Could you feel like when you're recording this on somethingmuch different? Yeah? Really?

969
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it's hard to feel different when things

970
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: just haven't gone right for a long time, you know

971
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: where we felt different. When we were in Afghanistan, we

972
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: had this song and we could tell the soldiers like

973
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: they just loved this song about home and they didn't

974
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: know us. We didn't have a hit, and they talked

975
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: about this song all the time. Who it was it

976
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: written at the end for it to be the breakdown,

977
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, the yeah that was in I always wonder

978
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: how do you guys decide who? We were sitting around

979
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: just like this, and we were at Wayne's studio and

980
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, because let's it feels like

981
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: it needs like a cool vamp on the end, but

982
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: like something that Lyle love, it would love, you know,

983
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: like something cool like that feels familiar and yet it's new.

984
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: And so he started singing that and then we started

985
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: just kind of vamping around parts and he was like,

986
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. And then we one by one

987
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: quickly went in and just started singing those like ad

988
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: libby things, you know, five Church Sunday. So that was

989
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: just the thing that that happened, and Wayne started it

990
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: and then he yeah, I think he came up with that,

991
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I like it. First of all, I

992
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: like all those voices, and to me it sounds a

993
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: bit like um um, I want to hear something the

994
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: round of that. Yeah, And I loved that, you know,

995
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: I love so Boondocks. So you had Boon Dog and

996
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: you didn't You didn't go out like you had it.

997
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: You were just holding onto it. We were holding onto it.

998
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: And then we we we took Boon Ducks and bring

999
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: it on home with us when Yeah, which is this

1000
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: was the biggest single we had ever had right here,

1001
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: not yet in the story. I love this song. I

1002
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: don't know if I love those long harmonies, and I

1003
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: think it reminds me of that time in our lives,

1004
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: this sentimental bring it on home? So you take these

1005
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: with you to the new deal to a no deal,

1006
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean we had no deal. And and so that's

1007
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: when we we went out to Wayne's studio and we

1008
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: just made just a record, and we had probably eight

1009
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: songs that ended up being on the road to hear

1010
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: record and we are lawyer pitched him around town to

1011
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: people without telling people who it was, and because we

1012
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: were kind of damaged goods and just to get feedback,

1013
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: and again we got rejected several times. And then Mike Crasky,

1014
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: who was our old um kind of one of the

1015
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: higher ups at Sony who had gotten blown out. When

1016
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: we got blown out, he felt like it was unfinished business.

1017
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: And he just really always believed in us. So he

1018
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: and Clint Black were starting to label an indie label, yes,

1019
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: Clint Black, and and so we took this record over

1020
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: there to them, and and then it took off, like

1021
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: and it was so amazing. I gotta wonder before it

1022
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: took off though, So there are four of you and

1023
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: it hasn't worked. How close did you guys get to

1024
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: go on, Okay, this isn't gonna work. We're gonna have

1025
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: to go our own ways. We never did you really

1026
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: never did. No. I remember one truck stop on the

1027
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: way to Boston where Kimberly said, what are we doing?

1028
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: Because we're so tired and so broke. But it was

1029
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: just like a laughing like what are we doing? We're crazy?

1030
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: But I just think we're just we're just so stubborn,

1031
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, like just not going to quit. And so

1032
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: we just kept going and then this happened. So what

1033
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: was it? What hit first for you where you're like, Okay,

1034
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: this thing's got some real legs Okay. The day we

1035
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: were I think we were in We were in a

1036
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: North Carolina's studio like parking lot with our radio guy

1037
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: in the car, Jeff Davis, I think it was Jeff Davis. Yeah,

1038
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: And we were sitting there and we got a call

1039
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: from our then manager and we had been crucified in

1040
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: the press, like for like everything from the way the

1041
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: record looked, you know, that first record that you were

1042
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: playing from the videos too, just like I mean, it's

1043
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: wrong with what we're wrong with you And they were

1044
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: just saying like put together band, overproduced, slick um, you know,

1045
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: boy band with girls in it, you know, just any

1046
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: kind of criticism. I mean, we were written up in

1047
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: the Tennessee and like worst review ever. It was horrible.

1048
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: Like all these things went on. So one day after

1049
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: we've been out on radio tour, we got a call

1050
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, um, Bob Orman. And I don't

1051
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 1: know if your listeners know who he is, but he's

1052
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: like Kunch, your music critic forever and ever and ever.

1053
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: Do you know him? Robert Dorman? And he wrote a

1054
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: critique of the record and he said, this is a revelation.

1055
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: I take back any negative thing I've ever said about

1056
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: this band, and that was like, I mean, I think

1057
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: Kimberly started crying like it is turning around, Like this

1058
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: is the moment it's turning around. So that and it

1059
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: really was. He really helped change people's perspective that we

1060
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: had made the record finally, that we needed to make

1061
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: and people should pay attention. And then Keith heard the

1062
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: record and then that's when he took us out. So

1063
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: what song was the radio song at that point? Boon Docks.

1064
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: So you now I've put it out, so you have

1065
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: Boondocks is on the chart because it wasn't a number

1066
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: one was yeah. And I used to mail bootleg copies

1067
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: of this when we had it at Sony and we

1068
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to really be doing anything with it. I

1069
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: I used to mail it to radio program directors and

1070
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: just that were friends of ours and say what do

1071
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: you think? Just to get feedback, you know, like Jenny

1072
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: Rodgers in Boston. I've mailed it to her and a

1073
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: couple other guys just to say, like Greg Swedberg, I think,

1074
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: um so, just people that seem to like even the

1075
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: first record, that saw the potential there, and you know,

1076
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: those people have been friends of ours ever since I'm

1077
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: sure I wasn't supposed to do that, but I did.

1078
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: History is full of people who weren't supposed to do things,

1079
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: who did things, and that's how things happen. That's right.

1080
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: You gotta make it. Tell me about this one right here,

1081
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: because this is when I first started being like, who

1082
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: are these guys? I want to cook and Chase? Make

1083
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: sure I know I love I love this record? Are

1084
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: you supposed to say that about your own records? I

1085
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: think if you do say it, it's very you were

1086
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: very honest, because you're not supposed to say you do,

1087
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: But if you do, it's a really honest thing to say,

1088
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, I love it. I love it? Because that

1089
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: again was like a defining moment for the band, like

1090
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: because we were in the studio with Jay Joyce, it

1091
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,479
Speaker 1: was it was just the first time we had done

1092
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: something again. That was a new chapter, a new relationship

1093
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: of production. Jay is a lot different than Wayne. They

1094
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: both have they just have very different ways of producing records.

1095
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: And Jay won't let you think about anything. It's all

1096
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: about instinct and what feels good. And when he started

1097
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: crafting that moment right there, he was so in it

1098
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: and like it was almost like watching a conductor. You know,

1099
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: he had some of those crazy parts I could tell

1100
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: in his head and he was just like just going

1101
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: for it, and it it sounds like that. It sounds

1102
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: like people in there really singing and going for it

1103
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: without overthinking. And we never thought that that would be

1104
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: a single, much less than number one record. We didn't

1105
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: eat um. We didn't even play this for Dungan until

1106
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: the very end of playing the record because we were

1107
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: scared to play that for him. We waited until we

1108
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: played everything else and that was like the twelfth song.

1109
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: We were like, and we have this and what was

1110
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: his response? He liked it all. I mean, I think,

1111
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so happy about Pontoon because he

1112
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: had heard that song the demo and he was like,

1113
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: you guys need to stop. Everybody was saying, oh, it's

1114
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: a smash, it's a smash, it's a smash, and he

1115
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: was like, hey, it's not a smash yet. Wait, like,

1116
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: hold on until you get in the studio and you

1117
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: make it a smash. And he was right about that.

1118
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't start saying that when

1119
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: you don't even haven't even recorded it. So but he

1120
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: turned around when he heard it and he had the

1121
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: biggest grin on his face and he was like, well,

1122
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: you did it. Yeah, that's it. Natalie Hamby was in

1123
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: sitting there, we're talking about this song, and she was like,

1124
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: you know when it whenever they wrote it was back

1125
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: this be into the water, you know, and they had

1126
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: to change the bad word. What what what do you guys?

1127
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes live I still say it, but on

1128
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: the record it's not though it's hitch back this hitch

1129
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: into the water. Okay, Yeah, she said she probably told

1130
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: you a story about the guys on the boat with

1131
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: them when they bought a boat, and she's like, and

1132
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: he was like that that songs like have you ever

1133
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: seen people do that in your show? That maybe like

1134
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: in a festival. I mean not people that would buy

1135
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: tickets to the show, but I've seen people on a

1136
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: festival like we're clearly they were coming to see Blake

1137
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: or somebody that was on and we were on in

1138
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: front of them, and they'll they'll whisper things like why

1139
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: did she wear that? Or I hate this song? Have

1140
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: you ever seen people do that? For yes, because either

1141
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: when we play festivals and we oddly get put on

1142
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: big festivals, in good spots. But the thing is, you

1143
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: either know us or you have no idea, like it

1144
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: seemed a music beft. We played the river stage right.

1145
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: That's like this the big ones in football field, the

1146
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: one that you guys played. And then they put the

1147
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: b X on the river and we're not gonna be

1148
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: at but they puts the river in a perfect spot

1149
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: four pm, right before everybody goes over, and I remember

1150
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: like a third of the people because they want to

1151
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: leave because somebody good was coming after us. They were like,

1152
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: what is happening on stage right? And I get to

1153
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: see it in their faces, so yes, but they were

1154
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: just confused by us. We're jumpsuits and all that. But

1155
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: you guys are actually good, though there's a difference, like

1156
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: our thing is stupid, but uh, pontoon first number one,

1157
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: Tornadoes number one? Um, I have so many things. Yea

1158
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: was and then tornado and then I can't something that

1159
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't work I think was next. So you're side of

1160
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: the bed. I remember watching I was here, I remember

1161
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: watching the performance, like in the bed, the person doing

1162
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: like the circles. I always loved your song. This is

1163
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: the truth, it seems. I love the songs that don't

1164
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: make it more than I like the ones that do.

1165
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: It's weird. Say whatever you're about to say. I say

1166
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: it because I love there are songs of your I'm

1167
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: just disgusted and they don't make it. I just am

1168
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: so angry at the industry. I know. And this came

1169
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: out in a time when not very many ballads were

1170
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: on radio, and so I don't know if that's why,

1171
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:28,959
Speaker 1: But we wrote this with Lorie McKenna real girl Crush. Yeah,

1172
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I loved this song. Thanks. I had this this chorus

1173
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: and the melody of the verse in my phone for

1174
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: a while and and then LORI had the hook. Hey.

1175
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: I was disappointed when it didn't work. It's just such

1176
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: a song like whatever i'llever on the radio, like song

1177
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: should win, which later ended up happening with a Girl

1178
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: Crush Franklace like, yes, you guys kind of kicked that

1179
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: wall down of can ballad's work. Well you really did.

1180
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: It was like kenneball and you don't get much slower

1181
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: than Girl Cry Crush Hey too, And man, I mean,

1182
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: I think You're the Bed is just as good as

1183
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: Girl Crush. Yeah, I know, will you help this one

1184
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: a lot? But this, regardless of who helped what. I'm

1185
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: just so disappointed your side of the bed didn't work, yeah,

1186
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: because I love girl Crush obviously, but when you're side

1187
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: of the bed didn't work. But this song all said

1188
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: is about girl crush. And I think this story is

1189
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: it's told thousand times, is that. I think that kind

1190
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: of kicked the door down for balance, at least in

1191
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: my company, which is the biggest company, and my new

1192
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: boss which I'm very close to, who brought me here

1193
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: and then helped bring him here. It was like, look

1194
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: at this, like this works. Yeah, And the power of

1195
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: of that once it started, I mean, remember the remember

1196
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: how it happened when you played it, and then it

1197
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: went from what was it? It wasn't even on the chart,

1198
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: and then it was like bam, it was like number

1199
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: four or something, the number two. I remember, I'm exactly

1200
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: because I remember us talking. We were in New York

1201
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: and Day Drinking was about to number one, and this

1202
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: record was about to come out. So Day Drinking was

1203
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: the single day and I was like, I'm not listening

1204
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: to the record till it comes out. That's always not

1205
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Rule's record comes out. Record came out at midnight and

1206
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 1: they were like four songs that one of the guys

1207
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: worked at your label, Steve said, hey, he's just some

1208
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: other songs. And I heard Girl Across. I was like,

1209
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: holy crap. And I was in New York City. I

1210
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: was like, Amy, you have to play this song. I

1211
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: got so much trouble. I've told you before they did

1212
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: that to you, before they spent up research money my

1213
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: company did to research this song. I see it was

1214
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: hurting my show. How are you kidding? So this is

1215
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: why they literally spent thousands of dollars because I was

1216
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: playing it all the time, right, researching to see if

1217
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: the controversy was hurting you. So it wasn't. It wasn't

1218
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: a radio song and it was to everybody else was

1219
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: a lesbian song. But the song was so good and

1220
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: I started playing it and I'll play it and I

1221
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: like it. Songs are good, and I would did it

1222
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: for like a week, right, And so my companies where

1223
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: they get worried and they they hire without my knowledge

1224
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: and not an eve been a bad way. One of

1225
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: those rooms where people could sit in it and they

1226
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: say back. One of the terms called my research rooms,

1227
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: uh focus like a focus room, and they had people

1228
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: listened to it and say if it was making them

1229
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: angry that I was talking about it, and it ended

1230
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: up being like sixty percent we're okay, within weren't, which

1231
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: is still pretty high, but you mean high on the

1232
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: negative side. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean a lot of

1233
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: people think we made up the controversy, but we didn't.

1234
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you didn't make up the controversy.

1235
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: I know, but I've had I've had people in the

1236
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: business stopped me and go, man, that was a good one.

1237
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: Y'all did like, would you think that we would actually

1238
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: do that? When you guys came to the studio there

1239
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: these are memories I haven't thought of since. But I'm

1240
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: sitting here, and you know, you sit with someone, you

1241
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: remember things. You and Kimberly came to the studio, did

1242
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: you two we're talking about? And Emily was listening to

1243
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: the show in d C. And Emily are right for

1244
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: the post she and she messages me, She's like, that's

1245
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: a crazy interview that song like, And I was like,

1246
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: there's a story here, and don't put me in the

1247
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: front of the story. Put somebody else because it will

1248
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: automatic term pop off. Because I've been you screamed aout

1249
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: it forever and she put like a DJ and I

1250
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: wor something first and did me second, and boom controversy

1251
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: and it was I love controversy. I was in love,

1252
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,959
Speaker 1: but it was it was that weird for you guys.

1253
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: Did you feel like you were being attacked? Well, we

1254
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: had done a few interviews kind of a couple of

1255
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: weeks before, trying to like ward off some of the

1256
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: negativity that of just like maybe moms that didn't think

1257
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: they wanted their children to hear I want to taste

1258
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: her lips in the morning on country radio, and they

1259
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: were calling into complain, and so we were getting on

1260
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: there saying, you know, oh, it's a song about jealousy,

1261
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: and you know, just having to try to like get

1262
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: the stations to play it that we're thinking about dropping

1263
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: it because of the negative calls. So then this happens

1264
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: with you. And I remember you saying, maybe a couple

1265
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: of weeks before the Kimberly and I session, you said

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01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: to the four of us in the studio, doesn't it

1267
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: make you all mad that like you have like such

1268
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: a big selling song on iTunes and you're like at

1269
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: number forty something on the chart. Do you remember saying

1270
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: that's what? Then started it too, and then Kimberly and

1271
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: I came back the post thing was written. The Iowa

1272
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: guy wrote his thing. Jimmy saw the Iowa guy. I

1273
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: guess he wrote something on a blog or something about it.

1274
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: He saw that on the bus late one night, and

1275
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: I remember all us all gathering in the front lounge

1276
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: to the bus and going, oh my gosh, what is

1277
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: going to happen? And all I really cared about was

1278
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: that the song didn't get lost in the shuffle of controversy.

1279
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: I was afraid it was going to go away, and

1280
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: I was like, this is such a special lyric, such

1281
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: a special song, Please don't let this go away. You

1282
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: needed the shuffle for the song to get out. You

1283
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 1: needed the shuffle for other songs to it out. That's

1284
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: the weird thing about it. All. You guys just didn't

1285
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: do this for a girl crush, Like I'm not kidding,

1286
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: like other ballads that you should be here from cal

1287
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: Swindell that those songs like that would not have been

1288
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: on the radio if you guys want to put that

1289
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: girl crush, because that song was against everything that ready

1290
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. By the way I was pulling

1291
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: my hair, I'm frustrated. Right, I'm talking about it, and

1292
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: this is two years ago. It was everything wrong with radio.

1293
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,839
Speaker 1: It was slow, it was female, well it probably ballads

1294
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: weren't researching. It was yeah, everything it was the six

1295
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 1: eight waltzing was wrong with it except it was perfect.

1296
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: Except for it was perfect and it stood out like

1297
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: it was. You couldn't ignore it, you know. And that's

1298
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: what If there's anything that I learned through the years

1299
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: of when you're making music, it's like you have to

1300
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: stand out among the pack, even if you fail, even

1301
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: if you lose. Sometimes it's so much better to be

1302
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: like fire than it is to just be ignored. Back

1303
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: to how we first started to be on the worst

1304
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: dress list than no list at all. That's right, that's right,

1305
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: And I'm okay with you. And I get beat up

1306
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: all time by and by the guard, the natural guard

1307
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: kill the Let me tell you what other song really

1308
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: irritates me that and I know you guys just lost

1309
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: it with Happy People. I love that song. I was

1310
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: playing in the dance part. That was such a good song.

1311
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: I think Happy People is going to have its life

1312
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: Somehow can you sell it to the cartoon like a movie,

1313
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: like well, I know doesn't it feel like, Yeah, it's again,

1314
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: it's so different. People were scared of it. It sounds

1315
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: seventies ish to me. It has that kind of bell

1316
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: bottom I hear bell bottoms dancing. I hear people it

1317
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: would stop listen, And I think that different always scares

1318
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: people until it's not different anymore. And I was soppointed.

1319
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: And you know what, when we're in the studio, we're

1320
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: always setting out to be different. And so when we

1321
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: made that record, we could have cut it a different way,

1322
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: and we specifically chased, chased, chased the very things that

1323
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 1: you're saying, like while we were listening and referencing to

1324
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: old records and going the kick should feel like this,

1325
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: and it should feel very like train ish, you know,

1326
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: not trained the band um. But you know it didn't.

1327
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: It's not just one of those records that just jumps

1328
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: out and smacks up side the head. Is a radio hit,

1329
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: I guess, but I think, but I think it would

1330
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: have been too. I love it, Yeah, I just keep playing.

1331
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: It just puts everybody off. I think it should be

1332
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: like in a commercial. I do too. I think you

1333
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: should be in a cartoon or something. It's so happy

1334
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: and I just like happy songs to me too, and

1335
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: I think it's an important, important sentiment for right now.

1336
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: How about this one. It's a very good song. I did,

1337
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: like I know then the song and when you guys

1338
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: played at the c MT Awards. I love the song

1339
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: to begin with because it's it's very it's very musical

1340
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: message e I love message songs, love songs that you

1341
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: can hear the words. Yeah. Um, they're like, it's a

1342
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: little risky, I know, a little risky to go and

1343
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: and I know, throw a Baladi song out with Jimmy,

1344
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: I know with but but it's it's the rule of

1345
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: the band. It's like we just we have to go

1346
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: with what we think, you know, we just have to

1347
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: go with our gut, and we have to go with

1348
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: what also we see people reacting to. And I don't

1349
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: think you can. That's the research. You cannot ignore people

1350
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: lighting up in an audience, even though people will say,

1351
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: well you can't. Don't ask your mom, you know, of course,

1352
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: but she's gonna like everything you like. But when you

1353
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: see people moved by a song, or they're talking about it,

1354
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: or you know, you're so good with your fans, you

1355
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: can see what they're talking about, what they love what

1356
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: they light up about when you're doing your stuff, so

1357
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. We can see it too. So

1358
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: we're just gonna roll the guys. I love it and

1359
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: see if it works. I love risks, love failing because

1360
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: that means at least I gave it a big Also.

1361
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: I tell Luke when Luke Brown one day we were

1362
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: on tour and I was like, you can't remember not

1363
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: having it hit, do you? He didn't remember. I mean

1364
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: he does remember, but he you know, he he's like

1365
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: one of those guys that just and his fans they

1366
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: just adore him, and I do too. We do two,

1367
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: but he it's been a long time. Some people can

1368
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: just try risky things and radio is gonna play it

1369
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: all the time. I don't know. For some reason, we

1370
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: haven't always been that band, but that's okay because when

1371
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: we we do have them, it's huge. And radio has

1372
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: been so good to us because you have females in

1373
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: the band, Like that's the real reason we're going to one.

1374
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: You hear it or not? Do you think absolutely it is?

1375
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: You don't think this industry is like a little like

1376
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: the females. Of course, of course I do. And you

1377
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: have females, and you guys do an amazing job because

1378
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if you call yourself the lead vocalist,

1379
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: but you're the lead vocalist of the group and in

1380
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: everyone's mind cause you sing more of the lead parts.

1381
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 1: So the main voice that you hear's a female. So

1382
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: it's like you think of lady and a bellum. That's

1383
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: a girl. That's that's a girl band. There are two

1384
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: guys and a girl, but it's still a girl band.

1385
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: And so that's why that's all it is. This one

1386
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: about a bunch of haters. Well, I'm gonna say this.

1387
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: A few years ago, I was so discouraged about this subject,

1388
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: and I think there has been a little bit of

1389
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: an improvements. I mean to see Kelsey Maren really bust

1390
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: through and on a Grammy level bus through that we've

1391
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: made progress. It's better than it was a year ago,

1392
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: and in the year it'll be better than it is now.

1393
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: You don't want a revolution, you want evolution because the

1394
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: revolution comes and goes. The worst thing to happen when

1395
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: people start throwing females in the radio just to put

1396
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: females on the radio. Yeah, because it's so much better

1397
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: when it has substance and and girls right substance songs.

1398
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: It's just more difficult to play it on the radio.

1399
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: And and I just think it's it's not balanced and

1400
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: it's not true real life when you're not playing women.

1401
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't even want balance because I'm okay if it's

1402
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: imbalanced the other way, that's all I want. Like, let's

1403
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: not not do things because of something. And I see

1404
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: how I deal with it all the time. But well, oh,

1405
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm mna ask one more thing before we wrap up,

1406
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: Like are you making a lot of money in your

1407
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: clothing line? Because I wouldn't think you would early. It's

1408
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: a new business, you know, it's like it's a brand

1409
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 1: new baby. Are doing the whole a lot? Though? No?

1410
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: Do you have investors like that came in? You called

1411
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: me and be like, hey, you want to you wanna Yeah,

1412
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: you want to invest on the worst Stress List? Uh?

1413
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: Those are the kind of less I like to invest

1414
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: because you get in low. The stock is low. Um,

1415
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: it's been successful. Tell me about this line. It's been successful. Um,

1416
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 1: and my I have a partner and apparel partner in

1417
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: New York that executes the vision. Um. But I'm not

1418
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: a person to just throw my name on something, so like,

1419
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to New York early in the morning and

1420
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: we're brainstorming about a few pieces, and I will hover

1421
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: over fabric for hours and hours and hours tomorrow and

1422
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: I will I'm not a sketcher, but I will like

1423
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: write out notes tonight, like all the time about details

1424
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: and what I want to do. I really love fashion

1425
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,520
Speaker 1: and I always have and I love it's an expression

1426
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: of the music in a deeper way to me, and

1427
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: it's part of your personality. I mean, I love that

1428
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: you guys are wearing those jump seats and stuff because

1429
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: it it is y'all's personality. It's your personality, and it

1430
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: is so identifiable. It's like, you know, bam, you're saying

1431
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: something you know we're saying is the raging and it

1432
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: says is the God's honest rats, Like that band became

1433
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 1: it should never become anything. It really shouldn't have became. Ronnie,

1434
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: I can't sing, and we're not good and helping sing.

1435
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: I saw you so Secondly, uh, people would come out

1436
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: with It'll be like, what is this about? Because the

1437
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: last thing I want to do is see an actor

1438
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: get up and try to be an athlete or an actor,

1439
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: get up and try to be a singer. I'm not

1440
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: trying to watch Eddie Murphy download his songs. So I

1441
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, people are always all right, prove me

1442
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: you suck, prove me wrong. I was like, I don't

1443
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: want that. We're gonna put on stupid jumpsuits and so

1444
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, we walk out there, we know we're not

1445
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: serious and you're gonna have fun and that's it. Well,

1446
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: and I mean, that's why you're selling out places because

1447
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: people are having a big old party. You know. That's

1448
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: the key to to Luke. That guy knows his audience.

1449
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: You know your audience. He knows his audience. He is

1450
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: so in touch church. He knows his audience. He goes

1451
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: out there and it's like he's you know, it's like

1452
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: method acting. It's like not not that he's an actor,

1453
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. He is in tune

1454
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: with what his fans want to. I get it because

1455
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: I know what my listeners want, and I try to

1456
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: give them exactly what they want because I know what

1457
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: they want because I am them. It's the weirdest thing.

1458
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think we don't like, we don't give we're

1459
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: sometimes we get lost in our own art of You're

1460
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: also four people, to be fair, with four different personalities,

1461
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: very different and lives and influences. And so I mean

1462
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: you're a mom, your mom. Yes, it's like your kids

1463
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: famous to me. I see him on Instagram, I'm like,

1464
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: your kid, your kid. If I saw him, be like,

1465
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: holy crap, look your kid. You're a kids famous to

1466
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: me because I want to se him on Instagram. I

1467
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: like picture it all the time. Jimmy's coaching basketball right now.

1468
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: We have a double double game tonight. How does he

1469
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: does he coach all the time. He's the coach. He's

1470
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: the co coach of this league of basketball. Are you

1471
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: guys able to have a somewhat normal neighborhood where people

1472
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: do Yeah? Yeah, yeah we I mean, you know, school friends.

1473
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: And Alata doesn't know that this is not normal. He

1474
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: thinks getting on the bus and you know, is he

1475
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: cool because of you guys? Like is he popular? Because

1476
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't really have a I don't know. I really

1477
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I do know that I almost cheered up

1478
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: at the Predators game when Elijah didn't know it, but

1479
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: he was sitting He knew he was sitting behind Keith

1480
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: because he knows Keith from touring, but he was sitting

1481
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: next to Mac Davis and he didn't know it. And

1482
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: Mac Davis is just one of the greatest songwriters ever.

1483
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: And and when the Predators scored the whole you know,

1484
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 1: suite erupted with joy, and Keith turned around and slapped

1485
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: a logeah five, and then Mac Davis slapped a logeah five,

1486
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, my child does not know that

1487
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: he is. He is literally slapping five with two people

1488
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: that have so much musical influence on not just me

1489
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: as a writer and a singer, but on country music history.

1490
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: I mean, Keith is a future Hall of Famer. Mac

1491
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: just won the Icon Award. We sang in the Ghetto.

1492
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: He wrote in the Ghetto, huh. I mean, so I

1493
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: got a little I get teary eyed and things like that,

1494
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: just because I think he someday he'll understand it. Does

1495
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: he want to sing because his mom and dad do.

1496
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: He more likes to dance, and he credits Luke all

1497
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: the time that that's where the moves come from. He's

1498
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of a good dancer. He plays drums, plays a

1499
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: little guitar. He sings, but he sings. He I think

1500
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: he's going to be more into rap music just like

1501
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: his mom. He loves Michael Jackson and Bruno Mars like

1502
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: he likes things that groove, So he's not his into

1503
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: our ballads as he likes, like, you know, the fast

1504
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: songs of the rock and songs. Well, I think I

1505
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: see Kelsey Maron, you are the next. We only have

1506
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: one left on the wall. These are I have six

1507
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: pictures on the ball that I keep. I don't p

1508
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: anybody else out there. Those are like the people there's

1509
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: are like, it's it's you, guys, Kelsey and listen, I'm

1510
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: working with you. I get all this cry get crap

1511
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: all time, all time. People send me crap. There's a

1512
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: platt here's some crap. I don't keep any of it.

1513
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we made the wall. Those are like

1514
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: the people that I really enjoy being around. And it's Kelsey,

1515
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: you guys, Maren pass Ley, Jansen, and Urban and Urban

1516
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: is the only one that hasn't come in yet. I

1517
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: haven't let him yet. This was never gonna be artists.

1518
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: It was never gonna be just gonna bring some song

1519
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: writers in. And then Marin was the first artist to go,

1520
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: can I please come on, and I was like, no,

1521
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: how long we keep Marin off? Two months? And then

1522
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: and then Dirk's nose, Kelsey and Jake Jake, Has Cam

1523
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: done it? Because you and Cam are friends? No, Cam

1524
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: hasn't done it yet friends, but now has Lindsey done it? Yeah?

1525
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: But it was different. It was when we first before. No,

1526
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: now was when we first started dating. Huh, like we

1527
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: first started dating and so she came on then. But yeah, anyway,

1528
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have have you in? Did you have fun? Yes?

1529
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't bore you. No, No, if you'd

1530
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: bore me out to change subjects now, listen, you are

1531
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: what you do and do what I do. So would

1532
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, like, would would you be mad if I

1533
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 1: had a radio show? No? I mad? No, just like

1534
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: we were talking about no, like like Eddie Murphy like

1535
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't you know? And you were talking about because

1536
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: becoming singers and different like I like Chuck Wicks it.

1537
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: Chuck's over on the Cumulus Sation and he's he's an artist.

1538
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: I think that they're making them kind of play a

1539
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: character over that there's really not but I like Chuck

1540
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, I don't want to care like

1541
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: everybody should go out and just do the best I

1542
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: can do. I mean, I don't want to. I don't

1543
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: want to do a radio show, but I think it's

1544
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: too hard. I think it's hard. You don't sleep. I

1545
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: don't know how you sleep. Well, that's all back from Haiti.

1546
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: I'm on the road every weekend. I do since January.

1547
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: Told him, well, I've been doing stand up all weekend,

1548
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: but my clock's never I want to come to a

1549
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 1: stand up show that we didn't. I didn't want to

1550
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: tea back and but you'd be on the road, well,

1551
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: not as much this summer. Yeah. Have you ever had

1552
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: Josh Wolf here? Oh no, no, no, I know Josh

1553
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: but had him here? But you know who played because

1554
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: I did? You know. Here's a funny story for you.

1555
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: So um, First of all, it's a Nashville show. I

1556
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: don't like to play Nationville shows. I love my Nashville listeners.

1557
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: But everybody from all the blogs and all the pain,

1558
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: they all want to come out and see if you suck.

1559
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: It's not see if you're good. They all want to

1560
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: come out and just see if you suck. Because they've

1561
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: been seeing ticket sales, they've been seeing Twitter posts, the

1562
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: fall theaters. Let's just see if you suck. That's what

1563
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: everybody's thinking when they come out, right. So I'm like, great,

1564
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: but I like my national listeners are amazing. But I

1565
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want to deal with to see

1566
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: if you suckers, right, So like what just I just

1567
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: want to do it? So Ross Conferring comes out and

1568
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: he comes down and Ross's friend he's been on and

1569
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: so Ross comes down and he plays um the song

1570
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: that he wrote for Chesney, one of like yeah, the

1571
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: big pink Sunshine and the pink dumb what is it? Yeah?

1572
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: With other world Ifire sings that, and Carly Pierce, who

1573
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm taking out with me is my main act for

1574
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: the next for the rest of the year. She's she's

1575
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: my support, and so she comes out and plays and

1576
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: who do I who comes up? Who'd I bring up?

1577
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: Is that Krall? Okay? So do you? Zakrawlis okay? He's

1578
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: Sam he produced uh like WoT it like a background? Okay.

1579
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is. I had no idea

1580
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: who it was. I don't I don't know that I've

1581
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: met Zach, but I know his name. I do nothink

1582
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 1: about him and all this. I'm doing this bit where

1583
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: I don't to run the bit but I juggle knives

1584
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: and hump a face and stuff right, and so I

1585
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: have no ideaho he is, but I'm humping his face basically,

1586
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: and he didn't know that blindfold on. Everybody's laughing, and

1587
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,560
Speaker 1: he goes back down to see that finished show and

1588
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that was a guy brott by

1589
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: like a back road and I was like, oh, so

1590
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: he's coming in like three weeks. I owe it to

1591
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: him to come in, but yeah, he should come out.

1592
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes he wasn't, though I don't know because I didn't care.

1593
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I'll be your second fight. I didn't do the show.

1594
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: Do you ever have any hecklers? There um no. Two reasons. One,

1595
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I do theaters. So the theaters are usually between a thousand,

1596
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: depending on what town I'm in, and they're in seats

1597
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: and it's very everybody's you have you their attention. Theaters

1598
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: are different things. It's different for us too. It's so

1599
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: no because tickets aren't super cheap. People are there to

1600
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: really like focus and have in the crowd usually shut

1601
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: people up. If listen somebody starts yelling something in crowds

1602
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: like shut they'll beat him up, so I don't have

1603
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: to worry about that. Like my people always have my

1604
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: back breakup. Yes, I was in uh well Boston, there

1605
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: was a five Boston. They fought before I got in there.

1606
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: But in in western Massachusetts, Uh, someone stands up in

1607
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: yells I'm gonna shoot you, and I'm like, oh, I

1608
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: already had it. I've had like five ins and nets

1609
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: right where I think I'm gonna like die already. And

1610
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: so I'm like, well, so I just sit down behind

1611
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: the speak because I know the promoter is gonna not

1612
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: pay me if I leave the stage, because there's sometimes

1613
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: promoters may not be the nice as the guys. We

1614
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: would be looking for reasons and not paying me. And

1615
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: so I was on a contract not I was doing

1616
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: my hour set it and all of a sudden it's

1617
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: a fist fight in the audience. There's another fist fir

1618
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: below it, and I don't need the stage and I

1619
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: sit behind it and I just keep talking. The cops came.

1620
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,719
Speaker 1: It was the whole thing, and then they get pulled

1621
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: everybody theater and I was like, so anyway, they pulled

1622
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 1: everybody out of they pulled was fighting, They put took

1623
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: people to jail. It's amazing. But I never left to

1624
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: stage and then I went back into the act. Everybody

1625
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,560
Speaker 1: was kind of but I've stopped to show before what

1626
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: the fight? Oh yeah, because I saw like a guy

1627
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 1: like trying to hit a girl and I was like,

1628
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, like right in the middle

1629
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: of a song. Is that before you uh, like before

1630
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: people started doing that on YouTube? Yeah? Maybe because I

1631
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 1: think that'd be put up all over the internet. Yeah,

1632
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: you know what happens. It fights happen a lot drinking.

1633
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: It's the drink, it's the drinking. I mean, I would

1634
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: think it a nary church show that it would be

1635
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: like a fight every nighting or every everywhere. You would

1636
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: just which are the crowd. I like to look and

1637
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: see a fight. But and with Luke, we would see

1638
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: them get really like really having a good time and

1639
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: some of them would get out of hand, you know.

1640
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: But I don't like that. I want you to like

1641
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: come and have a good time for me because it's quiet,

1642
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: and I don't go on until like show starts George

1643
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 1: on the seven show starts to day my first dat

1644
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: goes on then say Walker open for me for six months.

1645
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: Carly wool now and then I'll come on third right

1646
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: and do Sorry. By that point, if they're drinking, they've

1647
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: been drinking a lot and it's really quiet, so you

1648
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: hear everything. But yeah, it's fun. I hope you come sometimes.

1649
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: I would love to come. I'll come. I not come

1650
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: to one of your shows sometime and I'm wikipedia you

1651
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: before we do this. Here's the thing. People don't realize that,

1652
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: really you don't get to spend a lot of time

1653
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: with people in this town because when you're home, you're

1654
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: doing home stuff, and then when it's time to do

1655
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: like people stuff, you're on the road. Yeah, the only

1656
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: time or like the Monday, Tuesdays, Wednesdays sometimes. Yeah, I'm

1657
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: glad you came by. Well, thank you for having me,

1658
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and thanks for letting me do the voice. I didn't

1659
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: let you do the voice. First of all, there was

1660
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: not nothing I know, but you you were gracious about it.

1661
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing even racious. You had to go to the

1662
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 1: joy Wheeler Walker Jr. Do it. Yeah, you know, I

1663
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: just met him at Liz Rose's album release. He was Yeah,

1664
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: he's crazy, Like I don't even gonna run. I think

1665
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: he follows me now on Instagram. I was so honored. Yeah,

1666
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: he's nice. Um, well, thank you, thank you. I hope

1667
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: this was therapy. It was awesome and I think, like

1668
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: you go into Haiti and surprising Amy was the sweetest

1669
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 1: thing I've seen anybody doing a long time. That was

1670
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 1: she was about to like she was losing it on

1671
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: the show. I'm a little uncomfortable, okay talking about it

1672
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: because not because of the subject, but because she's done

1673
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: that like twenty times and I did it once and

1674
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people are like, Bobby, you're the greatest,

1675
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I know, but that's I know, but

1676
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: that she's you're her friend. That's like a best friend going, hey,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go meet your kids. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: best friend thing. Like we're not radio co host I

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Speaker 1: can tell your best friend Like that's like, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do it if you mean, like, I don't you

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Speaker 1: think Mike d k crap out him. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: My deal. Let my dad du Mike says my intern

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Speaker 1: like years and years and years and years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: That whole shows my team from friends there, none of

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Speaker 1: them are radio people. Thankfully. Lunchbox no Lunchbox for thirteen

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Speaker 1: years memory bar So. They were all on the Austin show,

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Speaker 1: The talk show. Some of them were Yeah, Amy and

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Speaker 1: Lunchbox were Ray was an intern, Morgan my executive producer

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Speaker 1: and as an intern. Mike was an intern, like everybody was.

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Speaker 1: Does Ray really have bedbug bites? S? I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he is on it? I don't. I don't ask

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Speaker 1: that questions. I saw the instagram today. Yeah, well, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go talking to us episode what's this my sixty six?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've learned. Thank you for the trip

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Speaker 1: down memory lane. I'd really right. I mean that, Karen Lye,

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Speaker 1: there's something to that you should re explore that. Maybe.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna go, Thank you very much,