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Speaker 4: I'll share my opinions on selling Sunset because child I

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Speaker 4: got lots of them, and later we'll get into my

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Speaker 4: conversation with one of the agents, Mary Fitzgerald. Right after

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Speaker 4: these quick ads. Welcome to Reality with the King. It's

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Speaker 4: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one

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Speaker 4: of the most sought after executive producers in reality television.

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Speaker 4: With over ten years of production experience, I've executive produced

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Speaker 4: top rated programs such as eight seasons of the House

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Speaker 4: Spots of Atlanta. Additionally, I have created shows such as

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Speaker 4: Netflix Is Styling, Hollywood Owns, number one rated Love and

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Speaker 4: Twice a week on Reality with the King, we'll sit

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Speaker 4: down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap.

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Speaker 3: Our favorite reality shows.

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Speaker 4: And revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and

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Speaker 4: tweeting about. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of Reality

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Speaker 4: with the King, We're going to get into all the

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Speaker 4: drama on screens and behind the scenes of Netflix's highly

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Speaker 4: addictive reality show Selling Sunsets. Lately, there's been a lot

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Speaker 4: So is Netflix is Selling Sunset real or scripted? Okay, listen,

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Speaker 4: major questions that I get is, Carlos is reality real?

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Speaker 3: Is reality fake? Blah blah blah blah blah. I get

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Speaker 4: So my answer is always the shows that Carlos King

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Speaker 4: That's one thing I tell my team of producers, like

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Speaker 3: The science behind producing.

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Speaker 4: Reality television is you must follow what's real, really, get

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Speaker 4: So what that means is if I'm filming a scene

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Speaker 4: For example, we got Monique and Chris Samuel's. We literally

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Speaker 1: Everybody on the show, the entire storyline. All of them

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Speaker 4: Mary, you let her have it. Mary, you let her

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Speaker 1: This, she has to change. This is not working, this

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Speaker 1: Thing that you still can like this, this shitty stuff

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Speaker 3: Mary is such a cool chick.

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Speaker 4: She is cool as a cucumber, honey, and you cannot

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Speaker 4: Mary read the girls. It's about damn time you stood

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Look, I love Christine,

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Speaker 4: And I'm just so happy that Mary decided to give

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Speaker 4: and look, whether or not selling Sunset.

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Speaker 4: So at least we all can watch it and enjoy it,

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