1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, that normal ticks. But when the news gets weird. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: I am Mary coutha pants and I'm Carol Margott. How 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: are you, Mary Catherine. 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing all right as usual. The onslaught of news 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: is somewhat overwhelming, to the extent by the way that 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: the president's on a whole ass Asian trip. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: It's funny because when we were talking topics today, you know, 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: I keep thinking, like, should we talk Virginia and New 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: Jersey New York City elections? Like we were on Fox 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: and Friends together this morning, possibly our first ever TV appearents, although. 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: I think soon there one of us has. 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 2: That great a memory, so who knows, it could be 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: we may have been on before. 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: But you know, there's really not much to say. 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: We're careening toward election day and it's not looking good, so. 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: Like a little bit of tightening. I do think that 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: a g rayson Virginia. There's a chance that Republicans pick 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: that one off, not to use an inappropriate metaphor given 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: the opponent there, but I think that one's possible. It's 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: gonna be an uphill battle for everyone else. As you know, 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: I did early vote today. I like to vote on 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: election day, but I am traveling on election day, so generally, 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: when I can, I vote on election day. But I 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: do enjoy the part where I in my northern Virginia 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: area walk by and the Democrats see a mom and 26 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: they go, do you want our ballot? And I say, now, 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: give me that one lonely Republican over here. I' let 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: me grab that from you. 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: I could even get it. You guys have separate ballots. 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: No, it's the sample ballot. We're not even registered as 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: party in Virginia, so like you can grab, you can 32 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: vote in either primary. You can do whatever you want here. 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: But I do enjoy kind of like tweaking them a 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: little bit because they're not even aware that we are 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: around them. Right, do you even make much less than 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: we're forty something moms? So that's always a fun moment 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Yeah. 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: In New York, I have to explain to my mom 39 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: how she's not voting for the Republican candidate this time, 40 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: and it's going to have to be some party she's 41 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: never heard of, like the wing. You do is you 42 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: find Andrew Cuomo on the ballot, My. 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Gosh, bless them, bless him. All right, So we decided 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: to talk a little foreign policy, since that's important and 45 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: that is happening right now. 46 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Donald Trump is in Asia. He met 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: with the new Japanese Prime Minister, who is also a 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: heavy metal drummer, which I absolutely love. That is just 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: and she's so cute, And I mean, I know it's 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: not fair that we describe women as cute, although I 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: have to say Abbe was also very adorable, but she 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: just is so cute. She jumped up and down when 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: she met Donald Trump. 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Adorable, super cute. Well, and she apparently is a shinzo. 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: Abbe was the former prime minister who was assassinated, a 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: story that we don't talk about enough. That one kind 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: of just like slipped by everybody story. Yeah. So he 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: was a great friend to Donald Trum. They liked each 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: other a lot. She's a protege of his and is 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: a conservative as he was, so there's reason for her 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: and Trump to get along. Her name is Sanai teik 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: to Kaichi. I'm sure I'm mispronouncing it medium wrong, but 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: that's what it is. And they had a seem to 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: have a very nice time together. She donated some more 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: cherry trees to the to d C, which actually is 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: much needed. The title Basin Storm wiped out a bunch 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: of them, so it'll be nice to have some new ones. 68 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: I also noticed in Japan, and I sent you this 69 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: and we can play a clip of it, because it 70 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: is pretty spectacular, just the showmanship of Donald Trump in 71 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: any place, on any occasion. He comes down and look, 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a term for this. He's like on 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: a battleship in Japan and he comes down on what's 74 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: essentially to meet the troops, an elevator for the fighter jets, 75 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: and like reveals himself as the elevator cost. It's just insane. 76 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: The troops go crazy. He has a real gift for that. 77 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: And at this point, at this point, like he does 78 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: it so often that that one doesn't even make news, 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I saw. I happen to see it 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: on X at some point. 81 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually I didn't see it until you sent 82 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: it to me. I saw the one where he lands 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: in Malaysia and goes right into dancing with like the 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: Malaysians who are waiting there for him. Whatever you think 85 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, and he's amazing at this kind of showmanship. 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 2: He is so real in those moments. He is not 87 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: faking the funk in any way. He is just like 88 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: getting down with the Malaysian readers. 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of presidents dancing. I don't 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: get mad at any of them for it. I think 91 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: it's cool. I think it's you being yourself, enjoying the moment. 92 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: George Bush was famously a charming and slightly dorky dancer, 93 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it very much, and so more power 94 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: to him. But yeah, he's in He's in Malaysia, he's 95 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: in Japan. He's going to South Korea, which has a 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: new prime minister at host coup prime minister, remember that, 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: yeah story, And then he's off to meet Xijingping in China, where, 98 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: of course, in all of these stops, trade is a 99 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: talk they're having. I believe in Japan they talked about 100 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: some soybean and gas trade changes. She was talking about 101 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: purchasing vehicles from the US, all sorts of stuff like 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: that as the tariff conversation continues. But China will be 103 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the main event. 104 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Chinese trade talks are supposed to be 105 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: kicking off. And you know, if you're wondering what side 106 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: the Washington Post is on, it's not our pride. 107 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: No, yeah, you think right. 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: The headline is Drew Holden highlighted this on x as 109 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: Trump meets Chi Chinese leader has the upper hand. It's 110 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: like if it was an opinion column. Okay, this is 111 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: in their news section, in their world section, and then 112 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: they have this line. The parent deal on offer signals 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: a little more than a redemption of the status quo 114 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: from around when Trump returned to office in January, and 115 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: serves as vindication of China's own hardball approach to the 116 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: Trump administration's coercive tactics, Like why are you rooting against 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: us even if you don't like tariffs, which I understand completely, Yeah, 118 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: why would you want China. 119 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: To win well? And I don't like tariffs, And also 120 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't think the facts on the ground reflect that 121 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: it's gone super well for China since this whole thing started. Yeah, 122 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: so let's even if you don't dig the tariffs or Trump, 123 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: can we evaluate it in a fair way? 124 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: No, fair away. That's the thing though, Like, you know, 125 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: we don't expect fairness, and it's gone to the point 126 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: where we don't even you know, we don't even expect 127 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: it in like the most basic ways, right, It would 128 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: be so much better if everything was just like, here's 129 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: our opinion, because that's really all it is anyway, Like 130 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: just be honest and say. 131 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: All of it, this this whole newspaper's opinion. Like, yeah, 132 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: well I do think that is I mean, that's essentially. 133 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I was a straight journalist when I got into journalism, 134 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: and I decided that as a right leaning person, it 135 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: would be extremely hard to continue and to rise as 136 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: a straight journalist because once they figure out what you are, 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: they're like, well, you can't do straight journalism, so you're 138 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: sort of relegated to doing opinion journalism, opinion and reporting 139 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: as you and I do sometimes. But I actually think 140 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: it's helpful for people to know this is where I stand, 141 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: right and this is how I'm evaluating these facts. 142 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: Right, Like, let's stop pretending. 143 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: So that you can evaluate, Okay, where's she coming from 144 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: on this? And I try to be an honest broker 145 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: and I try to be rational about things, and as 146 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: a result, I ended up writer about a lot of 147 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: things at CNN and then everyone else while I was 148 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: there because I was coming from a different place. And 149 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: so that's helpful to know. 150 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, everybody has an opinion, like, let's stop 151 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: pretending otherwise. 152 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Come on. Yeah, well, we'll keep you posted on the 153 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: g meeting. Ye, I'm not rooting against us. 154 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm very much rooting for us, and now would 155 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: be rooting for us even if it were Joe Biden 156 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: taking this meeting or Kamala Harris or anybody else root 157 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: for America. It's really not that hard. 158 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, righty. We'll take a break on Normally and we'll 159 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: be back in a moment with another podcast that had 160 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: some disappointing thoughts on it. 161 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: This week, we are back on Normally, and I hate 162 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: to talk about this subject because I don't want to 163 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: give it air. But on the flip side, as we 164 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: were talking about it before, like you said, not giving 165 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: this air hasn't worked, and that is that Tucker Carlson 166 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: has gone off the deep end, and he had Nick 167 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: Fuentes on his show this week. I'm disappointed. I really 168 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: like Tucker. I said this on an episode, you know, 169 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: on a previous episode, that I liked him when he 170 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: was a conservative. I don't know what this is anymore. 171 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: He's obsessed with Israel and Jews. It is the topic 172 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: on every show, and if it's not on the show. 173 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: Then it's in his newsletter. It's all all the air 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: in the room for him. And I liked him. We 175 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: were friendly. I don't overuse the term friends. We weren't friends, 176 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: but we certainly had a good rapport. We were text 177 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: And it's sad. He doesn't even look the same to 178 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: me anymore. He looks like a different person. The eye 179 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: that are completely different, the smile is completely different. Something 180 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: happened there and I don't know. 181 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a whole thing. And in keeping with 182 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: the theme of our show, it's not normal. No, this 183 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: is This is a very online discussion. Nick fuent Us 184 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: is a very online personality, as Tucker has become at 185 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: this point because he is not with a network anymore, 186 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: and there are like healthy online personalities and unhealthy online personalities. 187 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: My concern in the past has been, Okay, do I 188 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: want to spend a bunch of my time as a 189 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: normal person, raising a normal family, right parsing Groper's and 190 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: all other groups of anti semites and all of these 191 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: online fights and figuring out who everyone is in order 192 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: to push them away. Or do I want to be 193 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: a normal person and do my part. And it feels like, 194 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be in this If you want 195 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: to be in this business, you're going to have to 196 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: understand who these people are. To agree you do a 197 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: degree you don't really want to and listen to them 198 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: to a degree you don't really want to in order 199 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: to say this is why no, this is why no. 200 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. And the silence from so 201 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: many different quarters on the right is also disappointing. They 202 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: all see what's going on, they don't want to comment 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: on it because they know it's gross. Nick Fointes is 204 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: not anti Israel. He is just an anti Semite. He 205 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: has little to no opinion on Israel. His only opinions 206 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: stem from I don't like Jews, therefore I don't like Israel. 207 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: And this you know washing of his reputation that's going 208 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: on where Tucker and others are trying to portray him 209 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: as no, no, he's just you know, anti Zionist whatever. No, 210 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: not at all. He's just a racist, anti semi and 211 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: it's just not that interesting a person. And that's the 212 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: other thing. I feel like the fact that he has 213 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 2: a following says some really bad, dark things about you know, 214 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: where some people in our country are. 215 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have trouble understanding the appeal in a lot 216 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: of these cases, whether it's Candice Owans or Tucker at 217 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: this point or fuint Ess And like, you know, some 218 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: would say that's a weakness of mine. I don't think 219 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: it's a weakness. And by the way, I think one 220 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: of the analogs on the left is this Jennifer Welsh 221 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: woman who's become a light of the movement, and just 222 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: today I saw it she gets again, this is sort 223 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: of how you get famous being very online, is that 224 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: you say outrageous and sane, very very mean things and 225 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: then your clips go everywhere. And so I saw her 226 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: today calling Riley Gaines a twat and was just like, 227 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: this is how we create leaders. Now, yeah, I know 228 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: we're trolling all the way down in politics, but like it. 229 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: At some point I watched a watched a segment of 230 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: the Fintest discussion that was about women and porn and sex. 231 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: After that my day was pretty much shot, Like like 232 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: one of my one of my favorite lines was not 233 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: about the porn, but it was just Fuintests saying, the 234 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: women are they're they're very emboldened, they're too emboldened. And 235 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: then there was a lot of discussion about, you know, 236 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: sort of the dopamine problem with porn and how it 237 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: burns people out. It's an addiction, and all the points 238 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: were correct, but when they're paired with the problem is 239 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: the women right now the porn, Like, I'm not sure 240 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: that's going to solve the problem, folks. H And at 241 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: one point also Tucker was just like, Wow, that's a 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: lot of jerking off, And I was like, I think 243 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: I've heard enough. I think I've heard enough. 244 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a lot of jerking off. Actually, Nick 245 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: Fuintes one time live streamed himself watching gay porn and 246 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: guess who he blamed for it. Guess who he blamed 247 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: for quote unquote hacking his computer? Is real married Catherine, 248 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: It was Israel. 249 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: Why'd y'all do that, Carol? You know. 250 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: And that's the other thing, like talkwards like mister you know, 251 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: have a family, get married young, like conservative or at 252 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: least you know he was and lived that life right, 253 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: and we used to talk about that all the time. 254 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: How that was the most important thing and how I 255 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: know Number one for me is that my kids get 256 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: married and have kids. And he would stay you know 257 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: the same for him. And now he entertains this kind 258 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: of nonsense and people like the Tate brothers who just 259 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: are misogynist and gross and dumb, just so dumb, and Yeah, 260 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: I continue to be massively disappointed in him. I was 261 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: really on his side after he got fired from Box 262 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: and this is where he is now. 263 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a pleasant watch. No, as my as 264 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: my very tame description of it probably indicates, Sorry, guys, 265 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: my kid is having a fit downstairs. 266 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: The right is going to have to face this. It's 267 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: going to have to decide whether they are in the movement, 268 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: and if they are, I can say people like me 269 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: are out. Which listen, you know the all the comments 270 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: I got on X that good Jews shouldn't be in 271 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: it any way, if that's where you want to take it, like, 272 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: good luck with that. We saw what happened to the 273 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: left when they entertained their fringe voices, and that's where 274 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: we are now, at a crossroads of do we entertain 275 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: this insanity or do we push them aside and move 276 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: past them. 277 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the Seth Dylan thesis is like, you 278 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: can see what letting the Koop's drive did to the left. 279 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: Do you want to do that or should we sort 280 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: of rent it in here. 281 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I like, you know, the people who 282 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: are speaking out, like Seth Dill, and like you like 283 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: a lot of other people like Dana Lash. They're my people. 284 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: This is who I want on my side for any 285 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: upcoming You know, I don't want to say war or 286 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,479 Speaker 2: battles because I don't mean it literally metaphorical political battles 287 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: like this is this is the squad that I would 288 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: like to be with. 289 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also not Jennifer Welch. 290 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: Right back with more on Normally and Bill Gates changed 291 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: his mind. Look at that we are back on normally 292 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: where Bill Gates has had a change of heart about 293 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: climate change, which is kind of funny because he was 294 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: a giant, you know, we got to do everything we 295 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: could to stop climate change. He had an essay that 296 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: he wrote where he said, I want to read from it. 297 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: Climate change, disease, and poverty are all major problems. We 298 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: should deal with them in proportion to the suffering they cause. 299 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: Although climate change will have serious consequences, particularly for people 300 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: in the poorest country, it will not lead to humanity's demise. 301 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: This is a chance to refocus on the metric that 302 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: should count even more than emissions and temperature change improving lives. 303 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: Our chief goal should be to prevent suffering, particularly for 304 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: those in the toughest conditions who live in the world's 305 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: forest country. I mean, that's nice. 306 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: Now, told Carol, Yeah, that's dot can be told all along. 307 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: I said this to my kids today, Like, you know, 308 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: we're trying to get more into current events and what's 309 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: going on. And you know, with the note of like 310 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: you may have heard Mama say this once or twice 311 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: in the last few years, that defeating poverty is far 312 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,479 Speaker 2: more important than any climate goals. 313 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: You know. 314 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: It's bizarre, and I'm sure that there's some personal gain here. 315 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: A lot of people are pointing out that he has 316 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: some sort of something in the works that he'd get 317 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: some climate pushback on. Somebody tweeted at me, he's setting 318 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: up a defense for his AI data centers that will 319 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: consume massive energy. I mean, that's probably what's going on here. 320 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that he actually had a change of heart. 321 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: He needs people to tone down the crazy climate change 322 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 2: veteric because he's got a business deal in there. 323 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a combo of the two. Yes, 324 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: the data centers are becoming a real energy issue and 325 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: a populist energy issue that both Republicans and Democrats and 326 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: races this year are addressing and sort of pushing back 327 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: against because it can raise electricity prices, and they're saying, hey, 328 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: you guys need to kick in for maintenance of the 329 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: grid if you're going to have these big power eaters. 330 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: All of that is worth talking about. But I don't 331 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: think he had a change of heart. I think his 332 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: original position was cynical and stupid. Yeah, and he was 333 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: just freaking people out because that was what was utilitarian 334 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: at the moment. And now what's beneficial and utilitarian is 335 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: that people calm down a little bit. But we should 336 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: have been calmer the whole time, and a person who 337 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: invented something so world changing should always have been telling 338 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: people that innovation, technology, freedom, capitalism create better outcomes for 339 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: the most impoverished areas. And the quicker you get those 340 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: those places, more technology, and by that way, that means 341 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: more power, Ye, the better off they're gonna be. I'm 342 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: reading a Fossil Future, which I should have read years ago, 343 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: but it's it's by Alex Epstein, and he makes the point, 344 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: which is, you know, our sort of gut feeling the 345 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: whole time, which is we only evaluate the energy discussion 346 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: on the prospective negative consequences. Yeah, we never talk about 347 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: how it's the lifeblood of everything, right, and how you 348 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: can't have human flourishing without it. 349 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 2: Right. 350 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: The more people have it, the better off they are, 351 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: and the more we are able to create solutions to 352 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: any possible negative downside. Like exactly, yeah, I'm so glad 353 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: you're with us now, Bill, but like we've been here 354 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: for a while. 355 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, nice of you to join us. There was an 356 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: AP story like two days ago that about how young, 357 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: some young people don't want to have kids because of 358 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: climate change. And you know what's interesting about that also 359 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: is the Semaphore website they do this thing where they 360 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: point out stories that each side isn't reading, like what 361 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: conservatives aren't reading, what liberals aren't reading, And this was 362 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: the conservatives aren't reading story that AP story and young 363 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: young people not having kids because of climate change, maybe 364 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 2: because we've read that story like a million times and 365 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: we know about it and we talk about it more 366 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: than they do. We talk about the fact that that's 367 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: ridiculous and stop. 368 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: That, and yeah, we should give some some stats from 369 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: that just for perspective, because I hate this thing where 370 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: leading liberals get to do this thing, where they get 371 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: all this social credit and plaudits for a decade, two 372 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: decades for being on the panicky side of this. They 373 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: turn people into this. In a twenty twenty four Lancet 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: study of people sixteen to twenty five years old, the 375 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: majority of respondents were very or extremely worried about climate change. 376 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: Study also found fifty two percent so they were hesitant 377 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: to have children because of climate change. Adults fifty years 378 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: old without children were four times more likely than adults 379 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: over fifty without children to say that climate plays a 380 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: factor in their decision, according to a Pew Research Center poll, 381 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: and a study a published this year in the Proceedings 382 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: of the National Academy of Sciences found that more than 383 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: half a respondent said yes or maybe to whether climate 384 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: change made them question having children. Now, from our perspective, 385 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: having children is like the greatest joy, Yeah that I 386 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: have experienced, the greatest fun that I have experienced. And 387 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: to freak people out to the degree that they change 388 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: their life trajectory because of something you now think can like, oh, 389 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: we can solve that later. 390 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they damage this generation of kids. And look, 391 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: if you want to be extra specific about it, it's 392 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: not conservative kids. Like conservative kids are not getting the 393 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: message at home that like, you know, you shouldn't have 394 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 2: kids because the climate change is can get real bad. 395 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: You know, we have a joke that we make in 396 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: our house, which is when the kids were little and 397 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: they were learning about climate change is school. And I 398 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: want to diffuse the situation and not make it like 399 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: a crazy thing and say, you know, the world's not 400 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: going to end. The world is going to be fine. 401 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: People might not be here, but the world will be fine, 402 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: and you don't have to worry about it. Nothing that 403 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: you need to concern yourself with. And it's something I've 404 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: always talked about also, like why do we start beating 405 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: the climate change story to kids in kindergarten? Why what 406 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: is the kid going to do about it? And then 407 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: they kind of do state of the kids, Well, well, 408 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: what should we do about it? Like how about you 409 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: leave the kids alone and you figure it out yourself. 410 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: Bill Gates seems like he's fine with not figuring it 411 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: out anymore. 412 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Well, I know, and like, as I said, this would 413 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: have been the crazy right wing position ten years ago, right, 414 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: which is like Hey, I think we could probably figure 415 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: this out, and maybe we should all chill. Also, a 416 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: lot of people change their life plans based on the 417 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: stupid population bomb from Paul Rlick, which was not a 418 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: real thing, and like it changes people's lives in bad ways. 419 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: The anxiety is terrible. People shouldn't have to worry about 420 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: it now. According to Bill Gates, thanks a lot. And 421 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: I just think there's like as usual with these huge 422 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: damaging policy pushes, like keeping schools closed, for instance, there's 423 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: no one who's held accountable for this. He's just like, oh, yeah. 424 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: Rapes right the whole time he's been flying on his 425 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: private plane. I mean, oh yeah, but like, well, yeah, 426 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: you know ed you shouldn't be you know, it doesn't 427 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: matter how rich you are, how many people will talk 428 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: to you on the flight. 429 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they don't believe it, because if they did, 430 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Obama wouldn't have built like three shoreline homes for himself. 431 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: The I also wanted to point out, just to couple 432 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: with this, the this has always been a scam the 433 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: California This is from this week too. The California Public 434 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: Employees retirement system for state employees lost seventy one percent 435 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: of a four hundred and sixty eight million dollar investment 436 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: in a clean energy and technology private equity fund, state 437 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: records show, but they won't explain how these losses are 438 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: a major problem for the California taxpayers, who, at least 439 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: for now, are the backstop for underfunded state pensions. So 440 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: all this like economy built around this, and I use 441 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: economy loosely because it's a lot of scam stuff loses 442 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: people money, loses taxpayers money. You remember the Cylindra of 443 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: the past. There's a thousand of those that we funded, 444 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: and now California yet again showing its optimum governance by 445 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: throwing in on this stuff and losing everybody's money. 446 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: Good work, California. Well, thanks for joining us on normally 447 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 448 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us at 449 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and when 450 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: things get weird, act normally