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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in hour number three newy Newsy Newsy. It's

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Speaker 2: a wild day for those of you just getting in

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Speaker 2: your car, maybe just starting to listen across the country.

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Speaker 2: Essentially word being shared via Trump that he is going

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Speaker 2: to be charged with federal offenses in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic discussion of that with our friend Julie Kelly in

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Speaker 2: the second hour of the program. A lot of reaction.

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Speaker 2: Buck coming in, I was checking my mentions from David

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Speaker 2: in Rhode Island, who we finished off the hour talking with.

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Speaker 2: Let me expound a little bit more about David and

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Speaker 2: Rhode Island and the argument he made and why I

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Speaker 2: find it so indefensible. Okay, thanks for listening, David in

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Speaker 2: Rhode Island. If you are a big Trump guy, or

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Speaker 2: if you are a big DeSantis guy, or you're a

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Speaker 2: nicky Haley girl, or you're a Tim Skott girl, whatever

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Speaker 2: your background is out there in the primary, you are

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Speaker 2: ardently committed to a candidate, and, as is likely going

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Speaker 2: to be the case, your candidate may not be the

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Speaker 2: primary nominee because only one person can win and whenever

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Speaker 2: there's twelve or thirteen people running out there, all of

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Speaker 2: them I believe are better than Joe Biden. But if

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Speaker 2: you are like David Rhode, Island just called in and said,

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Speaker 2: I will set out the presidential election if Trump is

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Speaker 2: the nominee, you cannot do that. You are the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of a grown man or woman who takes the ball

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Speaker 2: were playing because the game's not going your way. Every

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Speaker 2: single Republican candidate right now, even Asa Hutchinson, who I

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Speaker 2: think is worthless, sorry Asa, even he is better than

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden. I wouldn't be excited about voting for Asa Hutchinson,

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Speaker 2: buck I would go do it. You guys heard my

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Speaker 2: interview with Mike Pence. I was not happy with Mike

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Speaker 2: Pence on this show.

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Speaker 1: Let's not ask about Newsom versus Asa, though, just because

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Speaker 1: we don't want to get any.

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Speaker 2: That would be tough, my boy Newsom. But I would

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Speaker 2: go vote for Mike Pence proudly against Joe Biden. The

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Speaker 2: Republican nominee is going to be infinitely better than Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden or whomever the Democrats end up putting forward. You

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Speaker 2: must vote, all right, So you cannot allow yourself to

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Speaker 2: be if you're a desantist person out there and you're like,

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Speaker 2: I hate Trump, if Trump's a nominated no, and you

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Speaker 2: got to convince your neighbors, and you can got to

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Speaker 2: convince your wife, and you got to convince your husband.

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Speaker 2: This is a big election. The stakes really matter. They're

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Speaker 2: trying to put a chief political rival in prison for

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Speaker 2: the rest of his life. We've truly never seen this

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Speaker 2: before in the history of our Republican.

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Speaker 1: They think about also what the long term implications are

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Speaker 1: of this. You know, you don't have to go very far.

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Speaker 1: As I've said, Trump can only be president for four

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Speaker 1: or more years. What does it say to future Republican

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Speaker 1: candidates if you cross the Democrat machinery, if you cross

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Speaker 1: the uniparty, the apparatus, whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 1: We'll find a way to lock you up. Not only

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Speaker 1: who challenge the system and the establishment down the line,

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Speaker 1: Really heinous and undermining message for this country, which is,

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Speaker 1: it's not just that they will target you, they will

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Speaker 1: are openly brazenly breaking the law. Because that's real. True

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Speaker 1: tyranny isn't very strict law or very severe law. It

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Speaker 1: has to mobilize to stop this Democrat machine. And it

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Speaker 1: totally We've said from the very beginning, whether it's Trump

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Speaker 1: All of that said, Nothing we do with votes, nothing

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Speaker 1: They try to lock them up even in advance of trial,

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Speaker 1: which is possible based on what they've done to Jay

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Speaker 2: Already one hundred percent. I would encourage you to go

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Speaker 2: make sure you listen to that conversation with Julie Kelly,

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Speaker 2: because she's a patriot. She has killed she has gotten

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Speaker 2: the audacity to question the prevailing narrative surrounding January sixth,

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Speaker 2: and she has we're just talking about reading the playbook.

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Speaker 2: She has read the playbook better than anybody out there

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Speaker 2: in terms of what was coming on January sixth, and Buck,

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Speaker 2: I think we need to build on this too. You

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Speaker 2: and I were talking about it off air. If Donald

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Speaker 2: if he were president right now, sitting in the Oval office,

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have done anything to Joe

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Speaker 2: had a great deal of retribution against Joe Biden. I

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Speaker 2: Trump would only have if he were one in twenty

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Speaker 2: Biden family, potentially including Joe Biden himself, in prison for

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Speaker 2: felony behavior for the Biden crime family behavior. If you

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Speaker 2: have put in place legalized warfare against the against the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration and many people who advise him, his own attorneys,

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Speaker 2: they're sometimes trying to put in prison. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: You might lose an election, but you go get a

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Speaker 2: Otherwise too, if you're in the Biden administration in a

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Speaker 2: world countries, when you lose, you and your family are

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Speaker 2: in significant legal peril. That's what the Democrats have done.

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Speaker 2: They have created a new world.

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Speaker 1: So now we have to take into account that whatever reservations,

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Speaker 1: We're not even talking yet about the election stuff. It

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Speaker 1: for the country. Democrats are setting up a showdown where

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Speaker 1: their party will make it clear that the Trump election.

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Speaker 1: And this is all assuming he's the nominee, which I

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Speaker 2: We don't know.

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Speaker 1: So because I do get I get the Vivek Vivek emails,

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Speaker 1: I get the desientists, you know, Facebook messages. I got

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Speaker 1: people say, hold on, why do you keep saying he's

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Speaker 2: But we don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But Clay, when when push comes to sh at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, the Democrats cannot allow Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to win, they will tell themselves is for the

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Speaker 1: self preservation of their careers, their wealth, their privileges, and

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Speaker 1: This is why things get scary. This is where it

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Speaker 2: Everyone out there listening to us right now. They want

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Speaker 1: And that person on Facebook who says you look like

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Speaker 1: Don't don't get pulled in to just because they'll lock

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Speaker 1: We have to lock Trump up because he's a threat

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Speaker 2: A threat to our democracy. Joe Biden has argued laughably

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Speaker 1: It's obviously climate change. This is upsetting, But.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how you get promoted at the FBI

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Speaker 2: by going and finding the people that Biden's says are

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Speaker 2: the biggest threats to the country. It's absolutely so. It

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Speaker 2: you're not trying to overthrow the government, But they're that

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Speaker 1: Off Sanity in an Insane World, The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. All right, team, welcome back. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: I thought this was in Here is Jonathan Turley speaking

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Speaker 1: So the question Clay remains, does he have anything more

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Speaker 4: I mean, they want to permanently and irrevocably disable President

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Speaker 2: They want Trump to be the nominee. I think that

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Speaker 4: You know, they want to disable him, either through the

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Speaker 2: All right. The book is America's Cultural Web Revolution, How

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think that we would get to a

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the only way out is through. There's

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Speaker 4: And I'm optimistic because conservatives still have political power that

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Speaker 4: We've got to give more power back to families, more

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Chris Ruffo the book America's Cultural Revolution,

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Speaker 2: How the radical left conquered everything? Last question for you,

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Speaker 2: and we appreciate the time. Encourage people to go check

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Speaker 2: out the book. Certainly COVID so far, I would say

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Speaker 2: the biggest legacy of COVID going forward has been it

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Speaker 2: made red states redder and blue states bluer. That then

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Speaker 2: leads to more polarization in many ways in terms of

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Speaker 2: the policies that are established through federalism in many different states.

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Speaker 2: Do you buy into that? If so, what should red

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Speaker 2: states be doing better of better jobs of you mentioned

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Speaker 2: the legislature majorities. Certainly a lot of them are now

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Speaker 2: almost super majorities. Should Red states go even farther redder?

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Speaker 2: And do you think that accelerates the entire change of

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Speaker 2: the country as a result, Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: I think the red states must become redder in the

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Speaker 4: sense that the policies that they pursue must reflect the

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Speaker 4: values of the voters that put the political leaders in office.

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Speaker 4: And so, if voters don't want critical race during the classroom,

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Speaker 4: overrule the will of the public. In those states, the

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Speaker 4: in this country. The primary venue for that is state legislatures,

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Speaker 4: and so we have to get the will of the voters,

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Speaker 4: That's the true essence of democracy. And conservatives should not

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Speaker 4: be scared of waging into the culture war, because, after all,

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Speaker 4: what else do we have at the end of the

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Speaker 2: So the culture war matters.

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Speaker 4: If you want to win the culture war, get a

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Speaker 2: Awesome. We appreciate the time. Congrats on the books success,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's Chris Ruffo. I'm going to take your calls to

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Speaker 2: close up the program here. Wanted to say, by the way,

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Speaker 2: some good news. Congrats to Michael Mason, our video producer

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Speaker 2: many of you out there having fantastic things going on

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Speaker 2: in your lives as well. I wanted to be able

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Speaker 2: to take some calls to close out what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But I'll also mention to story up at Mediaite Clay

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Speaker 2: Travis invents wacko conspiracy that Democrats are prosecuting Trump to

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Speaker 2: help him. And if any of you know anything, it's

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Speaker 2: that wacky conspiracy theories become truth very very rapidly in

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Speaker 2: left wing media. So that that is out there for

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Speaker 2: all of you to react to. Buck hopping out early

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Speaker 2: to get a flight out of New York City. Side note,

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Speaker 2: it's been almost impossible to fly in and out of

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Speaker 2: New York City all summer long. Buck and I were

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Speaker 2: talking about off air, if you ever question whether the

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Speaker 2: Transportation secretary matters mayor Pete has been an unmitigated disaster

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Speaker 2: at Transportation Secretary. And it's so bad that we know

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Speaker 2: his name. You know how, sometimes in sports you know

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Speaker 2: an umpire or an official's name. Usually that's not a

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Speaker 2: good sign. It means that they've drawn attention to themselves

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Speaker 2: doing something that otherwise could be in anonymous job. Most

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Speaker 2: of us can't name transportation secretaries, mayor pete. It turns

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Speaker 2: out being the mayor of South Bend, Indiana did not

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Speaker 2: prepare him to run infrastructure for the entire United States,

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Speaker 2: to say nothing of the fact that he overall has

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Speaker 2: been a full unmitigated disaster. That's when he's actually not

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Speaker 2: been on paternity leave. By the way, several calls Roger

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Speaker 2: in Dover, North Carolina, what you got for us, Hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you great?

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to say earlier we were talking about,

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Speaker 5: you know, prosecuting our political rivals makes us a third

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Speaker 5: world country, and I think it's the opposite. Not prosecuting

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Speaker 5: them is what makes us a third world country. An

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Speaker 5: example is, you know, by not prosecuting ones that commit

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Speaker 5: actual serious criminal activity like we've had in the past

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Speaker 5: with Hillary and Joe and so on, that's what's led

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Speaker 5: us to embolden them to act the way they act.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I appreciate the call. I think our justice

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Speaker 2: system is broken. I would argue that at least if

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Speaker 2: you prosecuted everybody, there would be a consistency at play.

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Speaker 2: So if you're not going to prosecute Hillary for the

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of emails. If you're not going to

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Speaker 2: prosecute Hunter Biden for his litany of felonies, then how

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Speaker 2: in the world are you going to try to prosecute

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Speaker 2: Trump over storage of documents? Or what I think is

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Speaker 2: And this is where I think the argument for Trump

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Speaker 2: on January sixth is headed. I think Trump believed that

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Speaker 2: he won the election in twenty twenty. I think he

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Speaker 2: legitimately believed it, and I think as a result, he

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Speaker 2: had his team look for ways that he could legitimately

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Speaker 2: win in twenty twenty, and that led to the belief

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Speaker 2: among some that Mike Pence had the authority to reject

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Speaker 2: the electors that were being sent from some of these

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Speaker 2: disputed states. If you doubt that that was at based

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Speaker 2: on some level a legal ambiguity, They changed the law

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Speaker 2: as to what the vice president's role is on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: So if you're telling me there's not a legal ambiguity,

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Speaker 2: then why did they change the law in the first place.

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Speaker 2: That I think is a pretty compelling defense for Trump

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Speaker 2: as it is related to the January sixth related charges.

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Speaker 2: If I were representing Trump, I would say one, he

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Speaker 2: thought he won, and he thought he won, and acting

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Speaker 2: on that belief, he explored every possible legal avenue that

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Speaker 2: to me for him to have been pursuing that, and

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Speaker 2: so I think that's going to be a fairly dispositive defense. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's going to matter if you've

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Speaker 2: got a ninety five percent jury that wants to convict

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Speaker 2: Trump because they hate him, because ninety three percent of

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Speaker 2: Washington DC residents voted for Joe Biden, and you effectively

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Speaker 2: have a kangaroo court in play. As why I've said

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Speaker 2: the danger for Trump is not to my mind, South Florida,

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Speaker 2: because I think the charges there, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: get a conviction. I think there's a high likelihood of

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Speaker 2: a hung jury. I don't think the charges in New

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Speaker 2: York City are significant enough to even pay attention to

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Speaker 2: the peril to Trump comes related to January sixth. But

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Speaker 2: I also think the January sixth charges are all political

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Speaker 2: in nature, and it will go all the way up

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Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court before all is said and done.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if Trump is the nominee and

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Speaker 2: wins the election, then he'll pardon himself. And if Trump

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Speaker 2: is not the nominee. For those of you out there

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Speaker 2: who've been listening to the show, this is why I've

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Speaker 2: been so aggressive in questioning the other Republican nominees. I

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Speaker 2: got into it with Mike Penn's for those of you

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Speaker 2: out there who were listening then, because I think it's

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Speaker 2: important as a matter of principle to establish that you

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Speaker 2: will not allow a political persecution of Donald Trump to occur.

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Speaker 2: And so, whether you're rondas Antis, Tim Scott, Mike penns,

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Speaker 2: Hinicky Haley, whoever, the Vagran Romas Swami, They've all been

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Speaker 2: on the program and I've asked them all about that

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Speaker 2: exact issue. Frank in Arizona, what you got for me?

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Speaker 6: Think you guys are backing Trump too much. That's my

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Speaker 6: personal opinion. I don't think Trump should run age personality.

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Speaker 6: What happened in the last three elections. I'm from Arizona.

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Speaker 6: The top of the ticket got blown away in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 6: Why because twenty twenty, twenty twenty, that's all they That's

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Speaker 6: all they talked about. Okay, you have to answer to me.

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Speaker 6: All these people Republicans who voted against Trump the last election.

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Speaker 6: Do you actually think they're going to come back and

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Speaker 6: vote for him now?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, And well, that's what we'll have

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Speaker 2: the election for now. I would submit if Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: the nominee, Joe Biden is weaker and worse than we

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Speaker 2: would have thought. Here's the question for you, Frank, you

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Speaker 2: think we're too much in the tank for Trump. If

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Speaker 2: you had a choice in Arizona in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: as you well might, Trump or Biden, would you go vote?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, vot. I voted for Trump twice. There's

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Speaker 6: going to be if it's Trump against Biden's going to

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Speaker 6: be a third party. I got news for you. They will.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that may well be the case. The data reflects

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Speaker 2: that the third party would actually help Trump. Here's my thing,

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Speaker 2: so Trump, that Frank calls in and says we're too

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Speaker 2: much in the tank for Trump, my thing is, and

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Speaker 2: I'll say the same thing that I said to close

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Speaker 2: out the second hour when we were talking with the

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Speaker 2: caller from Rhode Island. I don't see this as a

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Speaker 2: difficult decision. If you are a supporter of someone right

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Speaker 2: now in the Republican primary other than Donald Trump, as

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Speaker 2: roughly fifty percent of you are right, fifty percent of

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Speaker 2: you out there voting if your candidate loses. I don't

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Speaker 2: understand how in the world you would basically take your

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Speaker 2: ball and go home. I think if you love this country,

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Speaker 2: if you love the republic upon which it was founded,

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