WEBVTT - The Whistling, Part 3

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Manam and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back with part three of our series on whistling. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't heard the first two parts, you might

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<v Speaker 1>want to go check those out first. In the In

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<v Speaker 1>the previous sections, we talked about the physics of what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the mouth when you whistle. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>whistling based languages or variants of languages, and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the fascinating practice of Chinese transcendental whistling, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as some various psychonautical beliefs about the world changing power

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<v Speaker 1>of whistling. But today it might be interesting to turn

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes to ancient history and say, did people whistle

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<v Speaker 1>in the ancient world? And if so, how would we

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<v Speaker 1>know about it. This is such a great question that

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<v Speaker 1>I've never really thought about because I kind of took

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<v Speaker 1>it for granted, like, this is a sound that the

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<v Speaker 1>human body can make, Therefore people would have made this sound,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, I think for the most part

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<v Speaker 1>this is a a good way of looking at it. Things.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the other side of the equation is all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at the evidence. What evidence do we have

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<v Speaker 1>in the literature of the ancient world that people whistled?

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then if they did whistle, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>are the attitudes concerning whistling? Because one thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've already been able to distress in this series

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<v Speaker 1>is that that whistling is fascinating as it is, it

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<v Speaker 1>is not a a neutral thing. We end up having

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<v Speaker 1>these various cultural and uh and as we'll discuss, superstitious

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<v Speaker 1>weights attached to the practice of whistling. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just generally fascinated by the idea of ancient music. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in part because for the most part, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what it sounded like. And so when you find,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, people who have tried to render into performances

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<v Speaker 1>some of the oldest recorded like a written notation of

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<v Speaker 1>music that we have, such as the the famous Hurrian

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<v Speaker 1>songs or Hurryan hymns that are from the ancient city

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<v Speaker 1>of Yugurit, which are these hymns to the goddess nicoll Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They're they're written on cune of form tablets, and people

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<v Speaker 1>have tried to turn that music notation into performances that

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<v Speaker 1>you can hear today, and it's very haunting. Uh. The

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<v Speaker 1>same is true. I think there's an ancient Greek tombstone

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<v Speaker 1>that has some music notation on it that has been

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<v Speaker 1>translated into modern music. I think it's known as the

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<v Speaker 1>sec Loss or sec Loss epitaph. And when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>those sounds, they really do feel very alien. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>they're from another world. Uh, And it just it opens

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<v Speaker 1>the mind all these possibilities that the the ancient world

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<v Speaker 1>was full of music that we will never know because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't recorded, of course it couldn't be, and it

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<v Speaker 1>also wasn't written down or notated in any way that

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<v Speaker 1>we can understand today. Yeah. Yeah, all this is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>worth thinking about and again and coming down to like

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<v Speaker 1>why is whistling important enough to take note of? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is a question that that remains on

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<v Speaker 1>one's mind as we look at these these different examples.

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<v Speaker 1>But what the main paper that I was looking at

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<v Speaker 1>that was really getting into this was a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>paper by A. V. Van Stickellenberg titled Whistling in Antiquity,

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<v Speaker 1>and the author dives into like the basic question of

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<v Speaker 1>what evidence do we have that particularly the ancient Greeks

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<v Speaker 1>and the ancient Romans whistled or didn't whistle. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, it's hard to believe that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and stick Ellenberg points out that we know

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<v Speaker 1>the Romans, for instance, had many songs for different occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet whistling was would also probably have been considered

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<v Speaker 1>vulgar and not something that a person of status would

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<v Speaker 1>do compared to other sounds that one might make. Proper

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<v Speaker 1>romans were not even supposed to sing, for example, I

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<v Speaker 1>did not know that, not me neither uh and yet

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<v Speaker 1>uh Stikellenberg writes, quote whistling a tune with there for

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<v Speaker 1>not have been compatible with the characters of many, if

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<v Speaker 1>not most, of the persona in ancient literature. Apart from that, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a remarkable fact that we also never meet

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<v Speaker 1>a slave, a fisherman, pimp, or soldier whistling a tune,

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<v Speaker 1>not even in comedy. So whatt Callenberry is pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>here is that, Okay, if if whistling is not the

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<v Speaker 1>proper thing to do, it's not the thing that you're

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<v Speaker 1>your heroes and your your your proper romans would would

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<v Speaker 1>have done. Well, what about the the improper characters in

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<v Speaker 1>your various writings. Surely somebody would come around, come along,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would whistle, and by whistling, signify that they

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<v Speaker 1>are an improper character and therefore deserving of ridicule or

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<v Speaker 1>the villain of the piece, that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not uh. When you look at what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Roman literature survives to us, it's not all uh

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<v Speaker 1>lofty uh royal drama. You know, there are some really

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<v Speaker 1>body satirical Roman literature that still exists today. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you would expect the characters in this to engage in

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<v Speaker 1>all manner of vulgarity that the Romans knew about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think of our own cinematic history here and

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<v Speaker 1>also this in the literature as well. Spitting, uh, spitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground in front of you generally considered uncouth,

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<v Speaker 1>but in most circles, and yet you definitely see it

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in cinema because it's a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>establish that, well, this character is a little rough around

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<v Speaker 1>the edges. Um, and I think the Cowboy movies where

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<v Speaker 1>they're spitting, or Corman McCarthy novels where there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of spitting. So what Stikellenberg is saying, is that even

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<v Speaker 1>though we have Roman literature that has lower class characters

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<v Speaker 1>and characters who are understood as doing body and vulgar things,

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<v Speaker 1>we never in the existing corpus see them whistling, or

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<v Speaker 1>almost never seems to be the case, though Stikellenberg does

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<v Speaker 1>point out a few areas where we're not entirely sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where we get into, uh, the the

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<v Speaker 1>imprecise nature of language and translations um. They point to

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<v Speaker 1>a part in Petronius satiricn from the first century CE

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<v Speaker 1>that describes a person who quote put his hand to

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth and whistled out some terrible stuff I couldn't identify.

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<v Speaker 1>Afterwards he told us it was Greek air. Now, it's

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<v Speaker 1>apparently an open question if the if the proper translation

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<v Speaker 1>is whistling, and if it is whistling, what what what

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<v Speaker 1>are we really talking about? Is it whistling like or

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<v Speaker 1>is it finger whistling where you create, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>loud sound by blowing through your fingers, or is this

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<v Speaker 1>just bad singing? The idea that uh, you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>sounds are coming out of this person's mouth. They call

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<v Speaker 1>it Greek air. It's just bad singing. Oh, I see

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<v Speaker 1>so like, Uh, in order to be insulting, you might

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<v Speaker 1>describe someone singing as wheezing or something. Yeah, that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. They point out that even today, a fictional

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<v Speaker 1>character whistling often means that they're they're what like they

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<v Speaker 1>think of a whistling character in a film you've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>It often means they're care free, or they're happy, or

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<v Speaker 1>there perhaps a bit of a doo fit. Uh. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the whistling is like, what's going to happen to this

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<v Speaker 1>poor dope that's just whistling and a little uh um,

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<v Speaker 1>unprepared for the circumstances ahead of them. Does Buster Scruggs whistle?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he does. I think he does, if

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<v Speaker 1>memory serves when you know and and the Cohen Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>Buster scrugs the first bit in that anthology film. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's this so this white suited cowboy who at first

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<v Speaker 1>we think, yeah, he's just too he's just too much

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<v Speaker 1>of a goody two shoes. He's just gonna be eat

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<v Speaker 1>up by the world that he's writing into. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course we find out that he's more than a match

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<v Speaker 1>for the violence of the world. Yeah, I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>is the joke that he's like the whistling, singing cowboy.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's also a cold blooded killer. Yeah, that fabulous short.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Um. But at any right, we we

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<v Speaker 1>do see some variations on this. For instance, stickle Berg

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<v Speaker 1>points out that in Western literature we see whistling associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the Squire and the Canterbury Tales in the fourteenth century. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a quote here singing he was or

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<v Speaker 1>fluting all the day. Uh. This is from the prologue.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess the fluting here is what might be whistling,

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<v Speaker 1>fluting without a flute. That that's what I've always called

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<v Speaker 1>whistling Stackallenburg points out that, okay, this character, though the Squire,

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<v Speaker 1>is also a lusty lout, and we don't really see

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<v Speaker 1>a precursor to this character type in Roman and Greek writing.

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<v Speaker 1>But but here we have an early example of the

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<v Speaker 1>lusty lout who is also potentially whistling stick. Gallenburg also

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<v Speaker 1>raises the question of uh, perhaps humming was more common

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<v Speaker 1>than whistling. But the problem there is we also don't

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<v Speaker 1>know much about humming in antiquity either the right quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the case, whistling apparently formed no part of the

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<v Speaker 1>paral linguistic stock used by Greek and Roman authors. This

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<v Speaker 1>stock was considerable, as recent studies show, and a few

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<v Speaker 1>studies are cited from UH from the ninety nineties and

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<v Speaker 1>include such emotional indicators as jumping for joy and nail biting.

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<v Speaker 1>So saying here that, okay, if you're gonna have characters

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<v Speaker 1>do things to indicate, um, you know, what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in their heads are kind of emotions they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be emoting on the stage or on the on the page,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. Uh, you're gonna have things

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<v Speaker 1>that are being used like jumping for joy, like nail biting,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet there's no whistling. Now, they also get into

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<v Speaker 1>this concept of whistling in the dark a bit, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course is a well worn turn of phrase for us,

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<v Speaker 1>in which one whistles to stave off fear. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite examples of this, or at least one that

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<v Speaker 1>I think I encountered the earliest and therefore I always

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<v Speaker 1>think about this is the Ichabod Crane and Headless Horseman

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon from Disney. This was in the Adventures of Ichabod

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<v Speaker 1>and Mr Toad, though this would have been This was

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<v Speaker 1>also a segment that was often aired on Disney TV

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween specials, So there's definitely some whistling in the dark

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<v Speaker 1>in that one, and of course it doesn't really work

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<v Speaker 1>um Ultimately, the things in the aren't come out to

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<v Speaker 1>chase about crane around. Now, Rob, maybe we will get

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<v Speaker 1>more into this in a subsequent part when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some psychology. I'm I'm not sure, but maybe. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what you think of the function of whistling

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<v Speaker 1>in this type of scenario where you're afraid. Maybe you're

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<v Speaker 1>wandering by yourself past a graveyard or wandering by yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark, and there's a breeze blowing through the

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<v Speaker 1>trees and you're a little bit apprehensive, so you start

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<v Speaker 1>to whistle. Now, I think the phrase like whistling past

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<v Speaker 1>the graveyard or whistling in the dark is supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>denote like somebody showing bravado. You know, they're saying they're

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<v Speaker 1>like trying to show off that they're not afraid, when

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<v Speaker 1>in fact they are. But what I noticed, and that

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<v Speaker 1>comes up in the example I just mentioned, is that

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<v Speaker 1>people often do this when they're alone, when there's nobody

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<v Speaker 1>there to see them, nobody to show off too. So

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<v Speaker 1>if whistling is to show off that you're not afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the showing off must either or be

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<v Speaker 1>to yourself somehow, or to like the scary creature that

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine is watching you. Yeah, it would have to

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<v Speaker 1>be one or the other. But I guess in some

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<v Speaker 1>of these cases, and especially when you think about graveyards,

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely an imagined other out there. And it might

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<v Speaker 1>not be an imagined other that you give a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of weight most of the time, but at least right

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<v Speaker 1>now it's on your mind. So we're gonna get into

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<v Speaker 1>several different examples of whistling as a potential means of

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<v Speaker 1>summoning or accidentally summoning or drawing the attention of things

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<v Speaker 1>that that should not be drawn in uh to your vicinity.

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<v Speaker 1>So on one level, yeah, it seems a bit a

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<v Speaker 1>bit um uh dangerous if you're gonna actually fall in

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<v Speaker 1>along with some of these supernatural beliefs, like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to to summon the devil if I'm afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>the devil coming out of the graveyard at me. But

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<v Speaker 1>maybe part of it is like proving like not only

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<v Speaker 1>am I not afraid of the devil in the graveyard,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go ahead and summon him. If he's here, he

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<v Speaker 1>come on out, and we'll go ahead and do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm done with just being afraid of the devil

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere hiding in the graveyard. Okay, But I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>question is whether it's actually whistling or whether it's just

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<v Speaker 1>singing or humming some version of this idea singing when

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<v Speaker 1>you're afraid or singing through the graveyard. Does this come

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<v Speaker 1>up in ancient history as well? Do we have any

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of this from thousands of years ago? It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like we might. Uh's to Calenberg brings up another example

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<v Speaker 1>again from Petronius, and this is again from the satiricn

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<v Speaker 1>and it also concerns a werewolf. Did you know that

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<v Speaker 1>there were ancient Roman stories about werewolves? There absolutely are, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a This one's a pretty good one. Um

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<v Speaker 1>this is I'm gonna read part of it at least.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from a um Hesseltine translation. Quote. I seized

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<v Speaker 1>my opportunity and persuaded a guest in our house to

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<v Speaker 1>come with me as far as the fifth Milestone. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a soldier and as brave as hell, so we

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<v Speaker 1>trotted off about cockrow, the moon shone like high noon.

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<v Speaker 1>We got among the tombstones. My man went aside to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the epitaphs. I sat down with my heart

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<v Speaker 1>full of song, and began to count the graves. M

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<v Speaker 1>So sta Kellenberg writes the following on this, how tempting

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<v Speaker 1>to interpret this scene as a clever application of psychological

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<v Speaker 1>paral language, which has a superstitious and frightened slave indulged

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<v Speaker 1>in an ancient equivalent of our whistling in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the kntar represents many forms of musical expressions, we

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<v Speaker 1>would even be justified in translating it here with whistling. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no straightforward indication that Petroni has had this

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<v Speaker 1>in mind. Okay, so, despite the fact that our expression

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<v Speaker 1>is often like whistling past the graveyard or whistling in

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<v Speaker 1>the graveyard, Um, this is a word cantare, which, in

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<v Speaker 1>whatever its Latin form is, could have meant whistling, but

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<v Speaker 1>could also just mean singing. Right. Yeah, So again we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the the imprecise nature of language, which continues

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<v Speaker 1>to be a theme with trying to figure out whistling

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<v Speaker 1>or not whistling, or making other sounds and various old texts.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is kind of a tangent, But I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, since we're on the werewolf story, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of a shame not to tell the werewolf story.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens in this story by Paternius here, okay, I can.

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<v Speaker 1>I can read the next little bit, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>brings it to a nice closure. Then when I looked

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<v Speaker 1>round at my friend, he stripped himself and put all

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<v Speaker 1>his clothes by the roadside. My heart was in my mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>but I stood like a dead man. He made a

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<v Speaker 1>ring of water around his clothes and suddenly turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a wolf. Please do not think I am joking. I

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<v Speaker 1>would not lie about this for any fortune in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I was saying, after he had turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a wolf, he began to howl and ran off into

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. At first I hardly knew where I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I went up to take his clothes, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had all turned to stone. No one could be near

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<v Speaker 1>dead with terror than I was. But I drew my

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<v Speaker 1>sword and went slaying shadows all the way till I

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<v Speaker 1>came to my love's house. I went in like a corpse,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly gave up the ghost. The sweat ran down my legs,

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes were dull. I could hardly be revived my beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa was surprised at my state, at my being out

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<v Speaker 1>so late, and said, if you had come earlier, you

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<v Speaker 1>might at least have helped us. A wolf got into

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<v Speaker 1>the house and worried all our sheep and let their

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<v Speaker 1>blood like a butcher. But he did not make fools

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<v Speaker 1>of us, even though he got off for our slave

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<v Speaker 1>made a hole in his neck with a spear. When

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<v Speaker 1>I heard this, I could not keep my eyes shut

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<v Speaker 1>any longer. But at break of day I rushed back

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<v Speaker 1>to my master giuss house like a defrauded publican. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I came to the place where the clothes were

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<v Speaker 1>turned into stone, I found nothing but a pool of blood.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I reached home, my soldier was lying in

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<v Speaker 1>bed like an ox, with a doctor looking after his neck.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that he was a werewolf, and I never

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<v Speaker 1>could sit down to a meal with him afterwards, not

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<v Speaker 1>if you had killed me first. Other people may think

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<v Speaker 1>what they like about this, but may all your guardian

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<v Speaker 1>angels punish me if I am lying. Wow, that's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>fun and pretty staple werewolf sort of story. There. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great werewolf story. But my biggest question is do

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<v Speaker 1>oxes normally lie in human beds? What does he mean

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<v Speaker 1>I was lying in my bed like an ox? Oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not him. My soldier was lying in bed like an ox.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm not sure about that. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we're we're missing some kind of historical context there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe it's like he's light, his body is

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<v Speaker 1>like that of an ox. I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>nothing comes to mind when I try and picture an

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<v Speaker 1>ox laying down. But yeah, it's really funny. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the satir con by Petronius is first century

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<v Speaker 1>uh CE, so it's like two thousand years later, and

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<v Speaker 1>werewolf movies are still using the exact same trope where

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<v Speaker 1>somebody figures out it's a werewolf because they see the

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<v Speaker 1>monster get wounded on a certain part of the body,

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<v Speaker 1>and then later they see a human wounded on the

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<v Speaker 1>same part of the body. That's in like half the

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<v Speaker 1>werewolf movies they make Yeah, if it ain't broke, don't

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<v Speaker 1>fix it, right. And I think if I've seen this

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<v Speaker 1>in other animal transform and myths and stories before, like

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps some were tigers stories from China and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree it still works than alright. So for the

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<v Speaker 1>next bit, that's the Kellenberg gets into is is that

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<v Speaker 1>they break down a couple of things we've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>we've at least touched on, if not already to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>and when they break these out further later on. But

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<v Speaker 1>we have a semaphoric whistling or whistling as a form

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<v Speaker 1>of signaling, and this has been around for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time. This is something that goes back to our

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<v Speaker 1>KaiC humans. Citing Peter f Otswald, they share quote, whistles

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<v Speaker 1>are easier to hear than words because they concentrate sound

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<v Speaker 1>energy into a narrow segment of the frequency spectrum instead

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<v Speaker 1>of spreading it. Generally, they occur in the frequency range

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<v Speaker 1>of one thousand and four thousand cycles per second, to

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<v Speaker 1>which the human era is most sensitive. Oh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is the same fact that was cited in slightly

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<v Speaker 1>different terms in that linguistics paper that we looked at

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<v Speaker 1>in the previous section. Myer, that was about how whistling

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<v Speaker 1>tends to be a good medium for transmitting information because

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<v Speaker 1>it's in that frequency range of one to four killerherts,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a good place to concentrate energy if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to travel the forest and be audible, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>carry distinct information the longest distance, because that's like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of the bull's eye for what our ears

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<v Speaker 1>can detect and separate out from ambient noise. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>next part here is where things get very biblical, because

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<v Speaker 1>Sticklenberg points out that the oldest reference to semaphoric use

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<v Speaker 1>of whistling can be found in the Book of Isaiah five,

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<v Speaker 1>where the Lord whistles to summon people. He uh quote,

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<v Speaker 1>he will raise a signal for a nation afar off

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<v Speaker 1>and whistle for it from the ends of the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and low, swiftly, speedily it comes. So I started off

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<v Speaker 1>looking into this just by checking it in my Oxford

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<v Speaker 1>in RSV to see if the translation was different in

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<v Speaker 1>any significant way. And it's not that translations almost exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same as what Stickellenberg has here. But in reading

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<v Speaker 1>it this passage, I thought I should explain more about

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<v Speaker 1>the context because it makes that quote especially interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>even scary. This is one of the most I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most powerful and chilling passages in the

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<v Speaker 1>Hebrew Bible. Uh. So what's going on here? Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a prophecy of doom. In this part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of Isaiah, the author is pronouncing a verdict

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<v Speaker 1>of divine judgment and punishment against the people of Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and Judah, because he says they have ignored God's instructions

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<v Speaker 1>and chosen to live in wickedness. And so there's a

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<v Speaker 1>section before this where he's just talking about the evil

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<v Speaker 1>they do, and you might recognize some lines from this

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<v Speaker 1>because they're pretty famous. The prophet says, ah, you who

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<v Speaker 1>call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for

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<v Speaker 1>light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet

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<v Speaker 1>and sweet for bitter, You who are wise in your

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<v Speaker 1>own eyes and shrewd in your own sight, Ah you,

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<v Speaker 1>who are heroes in drinking wine and valiant at mixing drink,

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<v Speaker 1>who acquit the guilty for a bribe and deprived the

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<v Speaker 1>innocent of their rights. Oh man, God coming out strong

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<v Speaker 1>against nixed drinks here, Yeah, against mixed drinks and against bribing,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the guilty win in court. But then it

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<v Speaker 1>starts getting with the really like scary expressive metaphors. From

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<v Speaker 1>here it goes into Therefore, as the tongue of fire

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<v Speaker 1>devours the stubble, and as dry grass sinks down in

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<v Speaker 1>the flame, so their root will become rotten, and their

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<v Speaker 1>blossom go up like the dust. For they have rejected

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<v Speaker 1>the instruction of the Lord of Hosts, and have despised

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<v Speaker 1>the word of the Holy One of Israel. Therefore the

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<v Speaker 1>anger of the Lord was kindled against his people, and

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<v Speaker 1>he stretched out his hand against them and struck them.

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<v Speaker 1>The mountains quaked, and their corpses were like refuse in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets. For all this his anger has not turned away,

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<v Speaker 1>and his hand is stretched out still. Then comes the

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<v Speaker 1>line about God whistling. From that it goes straight into

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<v Speaker 1>He will raise a signal for a nation far away,

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<v Speaker 1>and whistle for a people at the ends of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Here they come swiftly, speedily, And in this line the

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<v Speaker 1>people being referenced there, who are they? These are the

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<v Speaker 1>armies of the Assyrian Empire, and described in the following

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<v Speaker 1>passages in terrifying detail. The prophet says, they march without rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Their arrows are sharp, their horses hoofs are like flint,

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<v Speaker 1>their wheels like a whirlwind. They roar like lions. They

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<v Speaker 1>roar like the sea. And at in saying, the light

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<v Speaker 1>grows dark with clouds, And so the prophet is saying

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<v Speaker 1>here that the Lord will whistle to summon an invading

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<v Speaker 1>army to slaughter his people because they have done evil

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<v Speaker 1>and turned away from him. Wow. So first he does

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<v Speaker 1>recks and de stabilizes everything uh in this sinful nation,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he calls to an invading army to come

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<v Speaker 1>on over and finish him off. Yes, and the whistle here,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that takes on a totally different context that

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<v Speaker 1>makes it a whistle of absolute terror from on high.

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<v Speaker 1>It is something that should chill you to the bone.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it gets even stranger because the Callenberg points

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<v Speaker 1>out that the Hebrew word for whistle here leaves some

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<v Speaker 1>room for interpretation. And apparently there's still some discussion about this,

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<v Speaker 1>with some arguing that what we're talking about here is

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<v Speaker 1>indeed a whistle, but others say that it is a hiss,

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<v Speaker 1>the hiss of God. Wow. So you shared that fact

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<v Speaker 1>with me earlier, and I don't know what to do

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<v Speaker 1>that that is one of the scariest images I have

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard of the hiss of God. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>whistle is already scarier with the additional context that you

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<v Speaker 1>provided here, but but the idea of of God God

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<v Speaker 1>hissing and especially in in such a wrathful mode of behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, it's it's kind of chilling, Okay. But so

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<v Speaker 1>if there's some ambiguity in the translation here, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that would mean that whatever word is used has something

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<v Speaker 1>to do clearly with like a an expressive expelling of breath. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the thing we're getting into breath language here,

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<v Speaker 1>and and breath related sounds. And apparently in in various

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<v Speaker 1>ancient texts, there's a fair amount of leeway and how

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<v Speaker 1>we might think of a hiss or a whistle as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to not only human sounds but also non

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<v Speaker 1>human sounds like leaves, arrows in the wind. Uh quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Hissing and whistling, when produced by humans, results the same

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<v Speaker 1>interaction between respiratory and oral agents. The only difference is

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<v Speaker 1>that in hissing, the oral obstruction placed in the way

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<v Speaker 1>of the airstream is the teeth, while in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of whistling, it is the lips. In antiquity, this difference

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<v Speaker 1>was apparently felt as too slight for differentiation between the

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<v Speaker 1>two sounds and for the establishment of separate terminology. The

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<v Speaker 1>lack of differentiation continues in some of the daughter languages.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow That's interesting because so we're we're trying to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural significance of whistling, which in our context very

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<v Speaker 1>often means something like, you know, it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like innocent, care free soundmaking, whereas a hiss, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>is almost universally acknowledged to be one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>hostile sounds a person could make. Yes, um, my son

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<v Speaker 1>would would hiss for a while. I forget where he

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<v Speaker 1>picked this up, Like there's something animal world, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kids have the central affinity with animals. But I always

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<v Speaker 1>always approved of it because I'm like, yes, if if,

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<v Speaker 1>if threatened, like hissing sends a certain signal like that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're past language now. Now we're in a hissing

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 1>hissing zone. I am I am so mad at you.

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I've become an animal. I am a snake. I am

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>a cat. It was probably a cat connection for sure. Um. Now,

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the Kelenberg points to various examples in Greek writings, including Homer,

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>in which we also encounter this hiss whisper confusion. Both

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 1>are non verbal language substitutes. They point out that there

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>is still a distinct difference. Uh, you know, at least

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:56.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, to our our modern understanding of all this.

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it just becomes difficult to try and

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>sort all of this, especially in these ancient texts. Was

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>this a whistle? Was this a hiss? Is this other thing?

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Are we describing the wind as hissing? Or is the

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>wind whistling? How do we think of these? And that

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>connection between whistling and the wind uh is important in

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>other regards as well when we get into superstition and magic.

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 1>But Stikellenberg also gets into some other areas that I

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:24.280
<v Speaker 1>hadn't even really thought about in connection to whistling. For instance,

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the subject of cat calls uh not to be confused

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>with the wolf whistle. So this is interesting because I

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>think I would tend to think when I hear cat calls,

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I tend to think of of what sti Kellenberg is

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:44.120
<v Speaker 1>actually describing as the wolf whistle. Um. So Stakellenburg points

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>out that we do have clear Roman references to to

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the cat call, to some kind of whistling used offensively

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.920
<v Speaker 1>against actors, speakers, or performers in order to drive them

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>off the stage. You don't like the performers on the stage,

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't like the speaker, Well, everybody just just sort

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:05.159
<v Speaker 1>of whistles at them. They just kind of use a

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>bunch of these these cat calls in order to drive

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>them away. So whistling as just straightforward harassment or abuse. Yes. Uh,

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Cicero even makes reference to the Cisero. Of course, they

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>have the famous rator who lived one of six to

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>forty three BC. Basically, it's a it's a letter from

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Cicero to Atticus, and he's boasting about how popular he

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>is and how the last time he gave a particular

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.719
<v Speaker 1>of speech he did not hear a single shepherd's whistle. Uh.

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>So the idea is that he's referring to a complete

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>absence of cat calls during his appearance because it was

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 1>just so captivating. And apparently the language is key here,

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>because if Cisero had been referring to hissing instead of whistling,

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:54.399
<v Speaker 1>he would have used a different particular bit of terminology. Okay,

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>So while earlier STI Kellenberg was arguing that we don't

0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>have references to fictional characters in Roman literature whistling, there

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>are some references to whistling in the in the broader

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of descriptive literature about society. Yeah, and so, first

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 1>of all, this cat call area, which, um, you know,

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>my mind didn't go to here immediately. And also I

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know that I've encountered this much. Maybe I just

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 1>haven't been to performances uh in a while where uh

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.679
<v Speaker 1>that there were that were where there was like a

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>negative audience experience that is, I don't think that's maybe

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>where at least like modern Western audiences are going to

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>go immediately if they want to express their negative feelings,

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>like they're probably gonna boo or something. Right, Yeah, I'd

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 1>say booing is is more common in American culture. Yeah,

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard an audience whistle as a form of disapproval. Well,

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>apparently it was such a thing that it was and

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>still is at least at the writing this was again

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>written in two thousand in the British theater, that whistling

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>was just such a fear like this would be the

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>force trying to drive you off the stage. That whistling

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>was was just not done in a British theater dressing room. Um,

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's possibly linked to this now Stickkellenberg stresses that

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:15.719
<v Speaker 1>there seems to be a divide between whistling uh on

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>with the British stage and the American stage again as

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand. Anyway, when this was written, pointing out

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>that okay, sometimes it seems okay and positive for American

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 1>audiences to whistle at the performers on stage, and this

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 1>this does click for me. I know, I've been to

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:36.640
<v Speaker 1>performances where there's a certain amount of whistling, clapping, wooing,

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, all sorts of different sounds that are made

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>as a positive sound at the end of her performance.

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh you relations as well, um, you know, various different

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>um non verbal sounds. But but this could include whistling,

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>whereas in the British context you still wouldn't whistle. You

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>might have you know, gotten a dirty look from uh

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>from from England theater goers if you were there whistling

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>at the end of a performance of Shakespeare and you

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>were trying to say, oh, this is great, I'm gonna whistle.

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying that might have been interpreted by some

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>as like praising a performance by yelling get off the stage.

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. Uh. Now, finally Stakellenberg gets to this, this

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>topic of wolf whistling, which again is what I thought

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>what a cat call was. But I guess I had

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>my terminology mixed up. On that uh, the wolf whistle

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>is a whistle to indicate sexual interest, not unlike a

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>cartoon wolf in an old animated short. Now, I was

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>reading a little bit about people trying to locate the

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>origin of the wolf whistle, which is a specific intonation.

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like a rising whistle followed by a falling whistle.

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>You can probably hear it in your head right now,

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>woo woo. And for a while there was an explanation

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>going around that this was traceable back to uh specific

0:29:56.960 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 1>whistles used on naval ships, that there were like a

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>whistle with that intonation would be used to get sailor's attention.

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>But I've also seen some undermining of that explanation, so

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it's exactly known where the the

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the sexual harassment form of the whistle comes from. Yeah,

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and when we go to look for evidence in antiquity,

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>this is another case where Stickmenberg says, there's just we

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>just don't know. There's like one account of possible wolf

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>whistling and Platius's mercater This would have been from the

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>very early fifth century, and it's unclear if it's a

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.719
<v Speaker 1>hiss or a whistle. Once again, it might have been

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>so it might have been a hiss, could have been

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a whistle, some other sound of the mouth even thank Okay,

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 1>but Rob, I think we should switch over to talking

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>about some of the superstitions about whistling, because whistling apparently

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>is widely believed in many cultures to have some kind

0:30:55.320 --> 0:31:00.080
<v Speaker 1>of power, often negative power, beyond just being perceived of

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>as rude or or a form of harassment or something

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 1>like that, that it actually could have dangerous magical power.

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, they're they're numerous examples of this discuss

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>and they have some similar trends. There's sort of the

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>idea of of whistling as wind magic and therefore their

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>potential elemental uh ramifications for whistling, especially kind of reckless whistling.

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's what a lot of these teams to

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>get to the idea that when we whistle, we're engaging

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>in some sort of wind magic and we probably don't

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>know what we're doing and the effects could just be

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>completely out of control. Other ideas are that whistling is

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>some sort of connection to the spirit world, and whistling

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>can summon or attract the attention of things that we

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>don't want the attention of and uh and so forth.

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Then there are also some other sort of environmental specific

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>examples that get into the dangers of whistling. You know,

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't have um proof that this is the the

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>causal connection here, but I wonder if a lot of

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>these beliefs about the supernatural power of whistling comes from

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the linguistic tradition of associating spirits with breath. You know,

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>like in Greek you would often use the same word

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to indicate both that like a person's breath leaving their

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>body would be the numa, which is the same word

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you use to indicate a certain kind of animating divine spirit,

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 1>or like the holy ghost the numa. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I imagine there might be something to that. Now. The

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>first idea I want to touch on, though, it's just

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea of and this is a pretty big one,

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>whistling at sea uh and and this is discussed in

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a paper by Christina Whole that is titled Superstitions and

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Belief of the State. This came out in the nineteen

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven edition of the journal Folklore, and in it

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>she writes that at least in Western traditions, the whistle

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>was just a bad omen as it created a little

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>wind quote and by imitative magic may produce a greater one.

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>So you've got to be careful whistling because that whistle

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>could turn into a fearsome gale that could blow the

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>ship over, etcetera. And that's if men did it, and

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>if women did it, it could be even worse because

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.479
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like the ideas it seems very sexist here.

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like, well, if men are at sea

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>and they are near a boat and they're whistling, they

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 1>might accidentally bring about a catastrophic wind that destroys everything.

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 1>But if a woman's doing well, she might be a

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 1>wind summoning, which she might actually know what she's doing,

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's even more dangerous. Yes, So either way, though,

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>whistling at sea was bad luck for anybody. The rare

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>exception whole rights is that you did have cases where

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.479
<v Speaker 1>you'd have sailors stuck at sea in a dead calm,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>so they're out there on the ship and there's no wind,

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the ship is not moving. It's the it's the opposite

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>of the threat of the catastrophic wind. It's the threat

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of no wind and a slow death out on the waters.

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So in some of these cases there are accounts of

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of of the sailors daring to make like small whistle

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>slight whistles, and the hopes that they'll stir up just

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>enough when to get them out of this predicament. Oh,

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.399
<v Speaker 1>this is this is the scene from the horror movie

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>where a character is in such a jam that they

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>have no choice but to do do the dangerous ritual

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that they have been warned against by a wise old person. Yeah,

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>so I thought this was an interesting paper in general,

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>this one by Christina hole Uh and she argues that

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the sea is a place where old, otherwise long vanished

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>tensions between gods and religions tend to rise up again.

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And part of the explanation here is that for many Pagans,

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the sea not only had a god, but in a

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>in a sense kind of was a god. It was

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>like a living entity with thoughts and desires and whims,

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and the sea brought both blessings and curses. It's you know,

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 1>it's the bringer of riches, but it can also destroy.

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And for this reason, proba wably god's embodying the sea

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 1>are often depicted as temperamental, unpredictable, alternately generous and murderous.

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And one interesting fact I've never heard before, but Whole

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>talks about how in uh in European seafaring traditions, for

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of years, priests, nuns, and clergy have been considered

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>bad luck on the sea, like you don't want to

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>carry monks or nuns on board. And she even tells

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the story of a sea voyage taken by a friend

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 1>of hers, which, when I think it was crossing the Atlantic,

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 1>had some Trappist monks on board, and the sailors were

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>blaming the monks for the fact that there was bad

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>weather and the boat kept rolling and everybody was nauseated

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and throwing up. So in many cases, you're on a

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>boat and you not only do you not want to

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>be carrying monks or nuns or whatever, you don't even

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>want to say a word like priest. So why would

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 1>that be You would think, okay, these are these are

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Christian sailors, so they would at least probably think that

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the clergy would be a good omen, not bad. But

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the author here speculates as follows quote, these beliefs have

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with anti clerical feeling, and many who

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>hold them are devout Christians win on land. They probably

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>run back to that transition period when Paganism was slowly

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>giving way to Christianity, and many people, especially those who

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>like sailors, lead a dangerous life, had a foot in

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 1>both camps, acknowledging Christ on shore but taking care not

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to offend the old gods when at sea. Moreover, whatever

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>was holy and consecrated was once regarded as a center

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of mystical power, which was as likely to be dangerous

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 1>as to be beneficent, and was therefore to be guarded against.

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>And so of course that's just an interpretation. We don't

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>know that's the reasoning here. It's always hard to get

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>at the ultimate reasoning for folk beliefs, but that seems

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>plausible to me, and I really like that there. It's

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>the idea that there's a power in it, and just

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's a power in it is dangerous.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Even if the priest is supposedly the good based on

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>your current religious beliefs, just the fact that the priesthood

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is a center of power makes it potentially dangerous when

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you're in a dangerous situation like the sea. And I

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>think you could maybe say the same thing of whistling itself,

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<v Speaker 1>that whistling is perceived as having a power, and therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>even if the power isn't always evil, it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there is the power in it that makes

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<v Speaker 1>it scary. Yeah. Yeah, all this on top of just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the other idea of falling back into older

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs when things heat up, when you're in a dangerous place,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course again this is the ocean, it is

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<v Speaker 1>inherently dangerous, and therefore, yeah, you can imagine this this

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<v Speaker 1>not only this idea of like I'm gonna slide back

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<v Speaker 1>into over belief systems because I feel like there's heightened danger.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder too, you have if you have more

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<v Speaker 1>specific gods and traditions that you can fall back on. Whereas,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the new Christianity it might not it might

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<v Speaker 1>not have any like specific things you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid uh a watery death. But the old ways they

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<v Speaker 1>might have had particular rights, particular things you could do,

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<v Speaker 1>things you were not supposed to do, a path you

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<v Speaker 1>might follow through the uncertain which I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of us might be able to relate

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<v Speaker 1>to that in a modern sense too, Like it's you

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<v Speaker 1>can have more of an atheistic mindset. Uh. When you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the airplane and there's no turbulence, but when the

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>turbulence kicks in, well, what can you do? You might

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<v Speaker 1>you might let a prayer slip out here there, just

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, if if there is nothing practically you

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<v Speaker 1>can do in that scenario beyond you know, the obvious

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<v Speaker 1>safety parameters. Uh, then then there are these other scripts

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<v Speaker 1>you can turn to, these other uh models of of

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<v Speaker 1>reality that at least give you, like somewhere to devote

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<v Speaker 1>your attention and and just from the to the standpoint

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<v Speaker 1>of the ocean. I mean, we could easily come back

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and discuss these greater length. You get their whole lists

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of various bad had luck omens that include things like,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the albatross is tied up in some of these,

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but also things like bananas, and then various interesting um

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<v Speaker 1>like touch based uh positive good luck, like everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>to touch the same part of the ship. Um that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, collar touching. I think cats end up

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<v Speaker 1>playing a role in some of these. Uh. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there there it's a whole interesting world of like the

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<v Speaker 1>heightened danger of the sea and some of the superstitious

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<v Speaker 1>approaches to survival on the sea. Apparently seeing a drowned

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<v Speaker 1>cat was one of the worst omens. She says that

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<v Speaker 1>would sometimes make people just turn around and go back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow oh. But to come back to whistling. Another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that Christina Holt says here is that it whistling

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<v Speaker 1>is not just a locusts of superstition on the sea.

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<v Speaker 1>There seemed to be all kinds of fears about the

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<v Speaker 1>power of whistling even on land, right, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>gets into this idea again that whistling may attract the

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<v Speaker 1>attention of things that you don't want to attract. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>And and some of these relate to the sea, some

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<v Speaker 1>or more related to the land. She points that in

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<v Speaker 1>the East Anglian Thins sportsman out at night never whistled

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<v Speaker 1>to their dog because they might call up the lantern man,

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<v Speaker 1>which would have been a type of willow the wisp

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<v Speaker 1>creature that you did not want attracted to your whereabouts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fire fiend. And you know what, I wonder if there

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<v Speaker 1>is just a general similar line of thinking, or if

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<v Speaker 1>it could actually be based in that biblical passage about

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<v Speaker 1>you know again, one of the oldest references to whistling

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<v Speaker 1>as a signal to like attract attention. Is God whistling

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<v Speaker 1>to attract the attention of a ravaging army that will

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<v Speaker 1>come and destroy you. Yeah uh now in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>this is an interesting one. This one was when I

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<v Speaker 1>read and Carol Rose and her Compendium of Monsters. She

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<v Speaker 1>points to the merman known as the Denny Mara that

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<v Speaker 1>was considered a threat in some case by by the

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<v Speaker 1>people of the Isle of Man, the Manx people. Generally

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<v Speaker 1>the man of the sea that anymara was generally more

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<v Speaker 1>benevolent than other forms of the myth because you have some, um,

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 1>you have some truly awful mirror creatures out there in

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.439
<v Speaker 1>the world of folklore. But this one in particular, though,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to whistle, you could stir stir him

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<v Speaker 1>up and cause excess wind. So on one hand, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a supernatural creature whose attention you might get

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>through whistling. But also we get back into the basic

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>wind magic of the thing, like, be careful whistling. You're

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>toying with the wind magic, and you're at sea, and

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that's where the wind is particularly dangerous, and the least

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>little thing can stir it up. Hole mentions another omen

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<v Speaker 1>related to whistling and that is the omen of the

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<v Speaker 1>seven whistlers. And this from from her description, it sounds

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>basically like a particular chorus of bird song that would

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<v Speaker 1>spell disaster for those who heard it, particularly say, before

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<v Speaker 1>a battle. Now, coming back at least briefly to us

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<v Speaker 1>to Kellenberg's to Kellenberg points to Roman writer Colomela, who

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<v Speaker 1>shares that whistling could be used to encourage oxen to drink,

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<v Speaker 1>which which to Kellenberg, links to the possible sound similarities

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:17.479
<v Speaker 1>between whistling and flowing water. So again, instead of the wind,

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 1>this time we're talking about water and we're talking about

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the similarities of the sound here. Um, this idea seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have survived into English traditions concerning horses at least

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<v Speaker 1>into the sixteenth century. But wait, so if you're an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Roman, you can whistle to make oxen drink. But

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<v Speaker 1>will that make Oxen lie in your bed? I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not certain about that. Now. Uh, somebody who has

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<v Speaker 1>Roman history knowledge it, can you explain the ox in

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<v Speaker 1>the bed metaphor? To us? I want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>that means. It is interesting that to think about this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like the whistle as a sound that is

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<v Speaker 1>imitating not birds or other organisms, but but imitating elemental

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<v Speaker 1>forces the wind or in this case, the water, and

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>therefore allowing just the average person to tap in to

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>those the streams of of terrific and at times, you know,

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>catastrophic energies. Well, I would also say the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>for hissing. Hissing kind of takes away your humanity. You're

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<v Speaker 1>you're you don't sound like a person speaking or expressing

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 1>an opinion. You sound like a hostile animal or even

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a hostile landscape. M I guess sometimes there is hissing

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 1>in theater, right, like a negative that's hiss at the villain. Yeah, yeah,

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>you you know, you boo hiss when the Yago comes

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 1>on stage or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, all right, we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the clock now and we realize that we're out

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<v Speaker 1>of time for this episode. But oh we we have.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have a lot more. So we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>to a four parter on whistling, but we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff to come back to. We're going to dive

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<v Speaker 1>back in a bit to some Eastern traditions of of

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<v Speaker 1>magic and whistling. We're going to discuss some more examples

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<v Speaker 1>of whistling superstition, and folklore. Um, and then oh, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get into the psychology of whistling a bit as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the spirit dwell within you if it does, come

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<v Speaker 1>back and expel that breath one more time? Yeah? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it okay to whistle while you work? Should we be

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<v Speaker 1>listening to dwarves on this matter? To begin with? Will

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