WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 1/15: Vrabel Hiring, Coordinator Candidates, NFL Draft Talk

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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<v Speaker 2>really not talking about them, really knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex Barth.

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<v Speaker 3>And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as always

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<v Speaker 3>by our Barak.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars but they are

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<v Speaker 1>still a.

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<v Speaker 3>Better coordinator than him.

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<v Speaker 4>To be a coordinator, Mayo was never a coordinator. Hiring

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<v Speaker 4>him to be a co I coach and I'm hiring

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<v Speaker 4>him to run the football team.

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<v Speaker 3>He's games.

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<v Speaker 4>The buck stops with him. He is the boss.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kyle Shan's head coach is what you're saying you

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<v Speaker 2>got me so fired up that I cursed.

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<v Speaker 4>That was awesome. That was and I got more than

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<v Speaker 4>maybe any show we've done. I got a ton of

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<v Speaker 4>positive feedback on like just people reaching out on social

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<v Speaker 4>media or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Just gas yourself up.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, I'm saying, like to both of us that like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>this was you guys had the conversation. That's what I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to do, Like I wasn't we said that going

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<v Speaker 4>to the show. We wanted to lay out the argument

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<v Speaker 4>for both sides. It wasn't one of us trying to

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<v Speaker 4>necessarily convince the other one. It was just here's the

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<v Speaker 4>case for one, here's the case for both. We we

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<v Speaker 4>or the other. We both thought they'd each be a

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<v Speaker 4>good hire. And I think it resonated with a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people. So I appreciate everybody that reached out. And

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<v Speaker 4>that was it's gonna be we we have tough act

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<v Speaker 4>to fall. It's going to be tough to follow that show.

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<v Speaker 4>That was one of the best shows we've done.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, so you you got your way, you won,

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<v Speaker 2>you want you you won the argument. Mister Kraft sided

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 4>They were they were waiting to hear that until they

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<v Speaker 4>made high that clearly I presented that I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, they made the decision based off of the

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<v Speaker 2>show last week, and they decided.

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<v Speaker 4>Robert to go with you looking at his phone going

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, he makes a lot of good points,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they were saying. Uh and uh, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you you won, so you know, credit to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I don't. I mean, you haven't won anything yet.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you gotta win.

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<v Speaker 4>No pressures on me. Now, you just get to sit back.

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<v Speaker 4>If it doesn't work out, and I told you it

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<v Speaker 4>does work, you can say, well.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have worked with they run the ball thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five times a game, and and you know eight nine, Well.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to talk about run rate. Let's let's not

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<v Speaker 4>look up with the Lions run rates because.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to all this stuff, all right, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know you you have all the ammo

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<v Speaker 2>because the people have been coming at at your boy

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit over now now that the dust has

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<v Speaker 2>settled it, it feels like there are some anti Rabel

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<v Speaker 2>people that are starting to come out, some Titans fans,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people like that. We'll get to all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And here in a second, Evan Lazar Alex Bars. If

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know by now, I'm sure you do. Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>Catch twenty two next couple hours with you here today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our first show since the Patriots announced the hiring

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<v Speaker 2>of Mike Rabel as their head coach, So we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been on the air since the hire.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't been on the air since the press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got a lot of things to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>here today in terms of all that and spin it forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the biggest thing that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>start with today because when we had that argument last week,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I obviously knew were able to player. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew of able to coach from the outside looking in,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never spent any real time with him or

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<v Speaker 2>observing hammer at press conferences of his or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't know him as deeply as maybe I do now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the one thing that I knew when

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<v Speaker 2>they hired him was they were going to get and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, I'm you know, speaking out of turn, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get an a hole right that was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to come in here and say you

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<v Speaker 2>you and you out, you you and you in.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this is what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is our.

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<v Speaker 2>Direction, this is our plan, and he definitely is going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. I feel as though that that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>still applies. He's going to get the right people. He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get the people that do things the right way.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to get football people to run football. He

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<v Speaker 2>is going to coach a more discipline team, a more

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally sound team, more aware and you know, situationally aware

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<v Speaker 2>certainly football team.

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<v Speaker 3>Which was all the things that were the selling points.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the one thing that stood out to me just

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<v Speaker 2>watching his introductory press conference, having him in here on

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<v Speaker 2>PU for fifteen minut it's the other day, and then

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<v Speaker 2>his interview I would say yesterday with Ei was really

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<v Speaker 2>good too. And having all of these interviews now as

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots head coach, the number one thing that I think

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<v Speaker 2>I undersold initially with this was how analytically minded in

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<v Speaker 2>detailty is when it comes to football, Like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that can talk your ear off about football philosophy, strategy, scheme, analytics,

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<v Speaker 2>sports science, player health, mental health, you know, and player

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<v Speaker 2>just in terms of philosophy of how to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the modern player in all these different walks of being

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<v Speaker 2>a head coach, personnel, scouting, you know what is it

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<v Speaker 2>that you look for and wide receivers? He's got an answer,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how are you going to apply analytics to

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<v Speaker 2>the football program? He's thought of these things, and that respect,

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<v Speaker 2>he reminds me a little bit of Bill and that

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<v Speaker 2>he has all of these types of things that go

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<v Speaker 2>into building a football team and go into building a program.

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<v Speaker 2>All he's thought these things through, and he has answers

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<v Speaker 2>for all of it, and and sound and smart, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual answers.

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<v Speaker 3>About a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not you know, all I played linebacker and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a meathead and we're gonna bit kneecaps. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is the guy that's really thought things through

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways about about coaching. So I

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<v Speaker 2>understold that aspect of him, about how just detailed and

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<v Speaker 2>really just football savvy he is because I knew he's

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<v Speaker 2>a great motivator. I know who's a good defensive mind.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew he was a great culture guy. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that he has a lot more of that

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<v Speaker 2>element to him than I expected. And it really does

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<v Speaker 2>feel like and look, we're in the honeymoon phrase right

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<v Speaker 2>now with it. Let's see what happens come September if

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<v Speaker 2>they start losing games and things like that. But right now,

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<v Speaker 2>it really does feel like they've found the perfect middle

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<v Speaker 2>between Bill Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, where you now have

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<v Speaker 2>the intellect of somebody who thinks the game more on

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<v Speaker 2>the lines of Bill and can go to that depth

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<v Speaker 2>that Bill could go to with the game, but also

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<v Speaker 2>has a little bit more of a softer touch of

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<v Speaker 2>a modern player philosophy. And I think that that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited about all that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And look, I mean it's a good caveat that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's one thing to say all the right things,

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<v Speaker 4>it's another thing to execute them. We thought you're rad

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<v Speaker 4>and some of the coaching staff at this time last year.

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<v Speaker 4>We're saying a lot of the right things. But the

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<v Speaker 4>difference is when a lot of the stuff Mike Brevil

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<v Speaker 4>talks about he's done, he's done before, whether he did

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<v Speaker 4>in Tennessee. You talked about the analytics stuff, which we'll

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<v Speaker 4>get into, and I think he might be surprised on

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<v Speaker 4>my take on that. Well, you know, he's done that

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<v Speaker 4>in Cleveland. He spent last year in Cleveland with with

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<v Speaker 4>what might be the most analytically driven organization in the league.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, the stuff you're talking about that surprised you.

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<v Speaker 4>This is what I was. This is what I meant

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<v Speaker 4>when I said said program builder, right, like the core

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<v Speaker 4>concepts aren't there is that Well, we're gonna work hard

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<v Speaker 4>and we're gonna respect each other and we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>accountable like all those kind of buzzwords. But it's also

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're gonna we're gonna do this in this

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<v Speaker 4>and in player evaluation when it comes to analytics, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is what we want guys that can do this, right,

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<v Speaker 4>It's not just we want guys that work hard. He

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<v Speaker 4>gave that answer I forget, which he did so many

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<v Speaker 4>interviews the other day, which credit to him. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was one with Dan Roach where he talked about

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<v Speaker 4>the wide receivers and he goes, right, we want guys

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<v Speaker 4>with the big catch raiders. We want guys that can

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<v Speaker 4>create after the catch. We want guys that are right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's actual. So it's not just we want guys that

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<v Speaker 4>work hard and that stuff the coach buzzwords. There's actual

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<v Speaker 4>football substance behind it. And when you combine those two,

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<v Speaker 4>that's where you get your program. And he didn't get

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<v Speaker 4>into the nuts. And bolts of it. I didn't expect

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<v Speaker 4>him to get into the nuts and bolts of it

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<v Speaker 4>in the first few days. But between the interview he did,

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<v Speaker 4>the initial press conference and then interviews he did subsequently

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<v Speaker 4>had a good interview with Zolak and Bertrand in ninety

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<v Speaker 4>eighty five some of the other stuff, like you can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of see the skeleton for what the program is.

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<v Speaker 4>We're really getting idea of what this is going to

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<v Speaker 4>look like. Fullback might be coming back. Credit to you

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<v Speaker 4>for getting that one out of him. Again, he kind

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<v Speaker 4>of talked about what he wants with receivers. I thought

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<v Speaker 4>it was notable when he was asked basically, you have

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<v Speaker 4>the fourth pick, you have all this cap space and

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<v Speaker 4>just your thoughts, he went right to the offensive line

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<v Speaker 4>and immediately and there was another answer he gave in

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<v Speaker 4>another interview where he was kind of asked about building

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<v Speaker 4>the roster, and he went right to the offensive line.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're kind of seeing these core concepts early on.

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<v Speaker 4>But here you have a guy that isn't just going

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about the core concepts. We've seen him execute

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<v Speaker 4>this in.

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<v Speaker 2>The past, so he has plans, yes, and I hate

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<v Speaker 2>to kick the last guy when he's down, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do that. But to compare and contrast, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Girod had concepts of plans, right, like he had ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think he necessarily knew how to take

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<v Speaker 2>those ideas and turn them into tangible practices, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually execute those ideas. And then we're overarching, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>then they got it and they got into everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>they get into the season, and they get into training camp,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the train is going one hundred miles an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and things start going really really fast.

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<v Speaker 3>What I look at with Mike Rabel is that he already.

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<v Speaker 2>Has actual concrete evidence and plans of this is what

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do. This is how I put it into

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<v Speaker 2>practice in Tennessee, and this is how it's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's refreshing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's refreshing to have somebody that is asked and I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that the analytics answer he gave just made

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<v Speaker 2>me just I mean, I could listen to that all day.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we did that. He was kind of crazy

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<v Speaker 4>about it. It's like, you go back to that argument

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<v Speaker 4>we had last week. Yeah, and it was a philosophical argument.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't you know, debating is this right or wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>You go back to that argument, and then you listen

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<v Speaker 4>to what he said over the last forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 4>and there are things we can both point to and

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<v Speaker 4>hang our hat on that's like, Yeah, that's that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about. That's the guy I want coaching my

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<v Speaker 4>football team, which I think is kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>That to me is a good way. That's what swayed me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was already convinced, Okay, it's a proven coach with

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<v Speaker 2>a proven you know, concept, and I understand why the

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<v Speaker 2>hire is happening, and I didn't need to be that

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<v Speaker 2>sold on it, you know what I mean. But what

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<v Speaker 2>really put it over the top for me the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days is all these elements of this is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that is more modern thinking and more analytically

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<v Speaker 2>driven than I knew that I anticipated. Now is some

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<v Speaker 2>of that because of his year in Cleveland and he's

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<v Speaker 2>coming off that And you mentioned so Paldi to Podesta's

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland. Who's the Jonah Hill character in Moneyball? Right

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<v Speaker 2>for people that don't know, So, he was a big

0:12:21.578 --> 0:12:25.178
<v Speaker 2>analytics guy in baseball. The Cleveland Browns hired him to

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<v Speaker 2>run their analytics department and bring analytics to football, and

0:12:28.778 --> 0:12:32.418
<v Speaker 2>they have a huge analytics department, like it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest in the league.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rams are very analytically driven and have two guys

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<v Speaker 2>in their entire analytics department, so it's not necessarily about volume.

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<v Speaker 2>The Patriots currently have one person employed to run analytics

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<v Speaker 2>in the entire football department. No, No, Rastine is is

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<v Speaker 2>in football, but this is you know, their director of

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<v Speaker 2>research is the one guy who is who's running analytics

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<v Speaker 2>for the Patriots. The Patriots, in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, are our dinosaurs when it comes to applying

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<v Speaker 2>analytics to person to scouting, to the personnel side of things.

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<v Speaker 3>And we can get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But all these different things that he has said that

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<v Speaker 2>he that he's talked about.

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<v Speaker 3>Has really been encouraging in terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Of having a modern view, having an innovative view of

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<v Speaker 2>the game, but also still understanding that football is football,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's one of the trenches, and they're a physical element,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an aggressive element, there's a motivational element, and all

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<v Speaker 2>those things are true. What I worry about is when

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<v Speaker 2>you hire a coach that can't apply both, right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>only worried about. We're gonna be fast, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be aggressive, and we're gonna be physical, and we're gonna be.

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<v Speaker 3>Tough, like cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's important, but you know, there's all these other

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<v Speaker 2>things now that go into football that we know. So

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<v Speaker 2>with all that being said, that's a lot of sunshines

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<v Speaker 2>and rainbows up the new head coaches, you know what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and rightfully, So, he's done a good job for the

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<v Speaker 2>two days that he's been on the show to go

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<v Speaker 2>a long way to go. The concerns that I still

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<v Speaker 2>have about this entire situation are still there until we

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<v Speaker 2>find out more information. And I understand that I'm maybe

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<v Speaker 2>getting concerned about something that hasn't happened yet in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the coordinator interviews, because we haven't heard much about

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<v Speaker 2>where we're headed with that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that starts soon. Yeah, he said that

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<v Speaker 3>they were going.

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<v Speaker 2>To start talking about it yesterday afternoon after all of

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<v Speaker 2>his media obligations were finally over with, and they're, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>him and Elliott and Ryan Cowd and those guys are

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to work on the interview process for

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 3>But a couple of things with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>It can't be understated how major of a higher offensive

0:14:47.938 --> 0:14:51.658
<v Speaker 2>coordinator is it is a massive, massive hire for the

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<v Speaker 2>direction of this franchise. And I want to kick around

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<v Speaker 2>some names and things like that as well, but just

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<v Speaker 2>from a big pictures perspective, it's a major, major aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of this is who he's gonna tab as coordinator. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you talk to people down in Tennessee, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>always great in terms of putting together a staff down there.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't really and this is just their their word,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm just taking them at their word down in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't really get along with Matt Lafleur, and then promoted

0:15:20.018 --> 0:15:23.658
<v Speaker 2>Arthur Smith to avoid losing him to Matt Laflour because

0:15:23.658 --> 0:15:26.138
<v Speaker 2>Matt Lafleur wanted to bring Arthur Smith with him to

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay. So he kind of, I would, I think

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<v Speaker 2>lucked in is the wrong word, but he he's sort of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by association, kind of stumbled into a coaching

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<v Speaker 2>staff on the offense side of the ball that worked

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<v Speaker 2>for a while there in Tennessee. So who hecquires his

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator and then obviously you know what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>offense they build is still to me the number one

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<v Speaker 2>question that I have, The number two question, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>is how this is all going to work out in

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<v Speaker 2>the front office. There's been a lot of reporting out there,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike re Reeve, Tom Curran, people that are in the

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<v Speaker 2>know that you trust that Mike Rable is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the last line, right, He's going to have the

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<v Speaker 2>final say on personnel. But Mike Rabel is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be scouting four hundred college prospects and grinding the

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<v Speaker 2>tape all off season of you know, who's the guy

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<v Speaker 2>he told me to watch earlier today that's in a

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<v Speaker 2>like San Jose State.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you need to watch it. You do need to

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<v Speaker 4>watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he's at San Jose State trip. Yeah, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the receiver. I'm sorry he's not watching you know,

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<v Speaker 2>day three guy, right, Like, he's not grinding film on

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<v Speaker 2>He's not grinding the film on all these guys. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be cowten and that's gonna be Elliott Wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you get the coordinator higher?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you pick players like that? That's what this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come down to. I think we all feel really

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<v Speaker 2>good about Rabel as the head coach of the team,

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<v Speaker 2>and you feel like you're in good hands in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the head coach of the football team. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>only one piece of it. You know, that's a big piece,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's only one piece. So now, how do we

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<v Speaker 2>move forward with those two things are still concerns that

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<v Speaker 2>I have because just from the outside looking in, just

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<v Speaker 2>from my opinion, what I look at with Rabel and

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Cowden and Elliot Wolf and that whole dynamic, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of look at a peaceful transmision of power like that.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, looks like Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be running the show here, not before long.

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<v Speaker 2>But Elliott Wolf has the institutional knowledge of what the

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<v Speaker 2>roster looks like right now, what the coaching staff looks

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<v Speaker 2>like right now, how the buildings run, So they're keeping

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<v Speaker 2>him on to kind of help transition into the Rabel era.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to April and it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the draft, or it comes to March and free agency,

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<v Speaker 2>how are they gonna run the board and how are

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<v Speaker 2>they gonna go about picking the players is a massive

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<v Speaker 2>piece of this. So I don't know which way you

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<v Speaker 2>want to go from there, but I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we know who the people in charge are on the

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<v Speaker 2>personnel side, the coordinators is more about kicking the names.

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess that's easier to start, and maybe we

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<v Speaker 4>buy some time. Maybe we get some coordinator interview. See

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<v Speaker 4>me looking at my phone or Evan looking at his phone.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just trying to we know the computers because there's

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<v Speaker 4>no death, so there's an interview. We want to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to react to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stop looking at your phone, all right, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to find out we have news pay attention on.

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<v Speaker 4>The front office. Thing Like. It almost kind of feels like, now,

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<v Speaker 4>now Bill would grind the film, but maybe not to

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<v Speaker 4>the level that some of the other guys did, just

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<v Speaker 4>because he was also doing the head coaching stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of feels like the set up under Bill right

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<v Speaker 4>where Ryan Collton, Elliott Wolf. They're gonna do the legwork,

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<v Speaker 4>They're gonna like get all the reports together, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they're gonna go to Mike Rabel and basically be like,

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<v Speaker 4>here are your options. Yeah, and then Mike looks at

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<v Speaker 4>the options and he picks right, which I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>is a bad set up with Wolf. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>So much of this process has already completed. The scouting

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<v Speaker 4>process does not begin in January, begins really in August,

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<v Speaker 4>and in some cases began a year ago or two

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<v Speaker 4>years ago with some of these guys who are under

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<v Speaker 4>who have played multiple years, who are seniors. So you

0:18:51.658 --> 0:18:53.978
<v Speaker 4>can't just blow the whole staff out. You can't start

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<v Speaker 4>from scratch in January. You would be so far behind

0:18:57.098 --> 0:18:59.178
<v Speaker 4>you would it would be impossible to catch up from

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<v Speaker 4>how far behind you are. So to me, Elliot Wolf's

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<v Speaker 4>here because him and his staff did all the work

0:19:04.178 --> 0:19:06.658
<v Speaker 4>during the football season. He's going to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of pass that forward, like you said, some of

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<v Speaker 4>the institutional knowledge, and then we'll see when the draft's over,

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<v Speaker 4>if he sticks around or if it's all right, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll we'll take it from here. Rydan Callvin will take

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<v Speaker 4>it from here, and you move on from that. But

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<v Speaker 4>I don't hate the setup. I don't for for what

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<v Speaker 4>this year is. I don't know that I would keep

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<v Speaker 4>it permanently. I think it's basically Elliot Wolf kind of

0:19:26.858 --> 0:19:30.298
<v Speaker 4>auditioning for his job at this point. But for what

0:19:30.538 --> 0:19:32.538
<v Speaker 4>this year is, I think that's probably the right way

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<v Speaker 4>to structure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mentioned the Vrabel's comments about receivers and like

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<v Speaker 2>what he looks for a wide receivers which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>not not to get into speculation about trades.

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<v Speaker 3>He described a J.

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<v Speaker 4>Brown, He did describe it. Yeah, he also kind of

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<v Speaker 4>described Tech McMillan.

0:19:46.618 --> 0:19:50.258
<v Speaker 2>Tech McMillan doesn't is not physical like that Teed McMillan is.

0:19:50.978 --> 0:19:54.058
<v Speaker 2>He described described a J Brown contested catches.

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<v Speaker 4>Funny, Sorry, I saw that quote going around and everybody's

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<v Speaker 4>just saying he described whatever whoever their favorite receiver is

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<v Speaker 4>that's available.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, he described a J.

0:20:01.858 --> 0:20:06.778
<v Speaker 2>Brown to a t like, contested catches, yards after catchability,

0:20:07.218 --> 0:20:10.818
<v Speaker 2>tough to tackle, physical in the run game like it's

0:20:10.818 --> 0:20:15.818
<v Speaker 2>a J. Brown, right, And so held hopefully with this setup,

0:20:16.218 --> 0:20:18.898
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be Rabel and whoever he hires as the

0:20:18.938 --> 0:20:22.258
<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator saying for us to make this scheme work,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the archetype, like, this is the type of.

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<v Speaker 3>Player that we need.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Elliott Wolf and Ryan Cowden can then go

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<v Speaker 2>and narrow down the list. So, okay, these are the

0:20:31.258 --> 0:20:34.618
<v Speaker 2>five guys that fit that type of mold, and then

0:20:34.738 --> 0:20:37.738
<v Speaker 2>Rabel will then go watch some tape himself and kind

0:20:37.738 --> 0:20:40.258
<v Speaker 2>of come up with it of who exactly, you know,

0:20:40.298 --> 0:20:42.578
<v Speaker 2>he feels is the best out of that group. So

0:20:42.818 --> 0:20:44.818
<v Speaker 2>that that's how it runs in a lot of places.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the coaches come to the personnel people and

0:20:47.698 --> 0:20:49.858
<v Speaker 2>they say, you know, these are the groceries that I

0:20:49.938 --> 0:20:52.618
<v Speaker 2>need to make this meal, and then they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>go and find the right ingredients and then bring them

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<v Speaker 2>back to the coach.

0:20:56.298 --> 0:20:58.657
<v Speaker 3>So it's a fine setup. I don't mind it.

0:20:58.698 --> 0:21:01.138
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a little bit awkward obviously with the

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<v Speaker 2>holdovers from the last regime and Elliott Wolf and Matt

0:21:04.138 --> 0:21:07.898
<v Speaker 2>Growe and Cameron Williams, the director College Scouting, pat Stewart.

0:21:07.938 --> 0:21:10.138
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a high ranking official in the

0:21:10.138 --> 0:21:13.618
<v Speaker 2>Patriots front office. Like those people are all still here currently.

0:21:14.098 --> 0:21:16.058
<v Speaker 2>They were all at the press conference on Monday, so

0:21:16.498 --> 0:21:18.938
<v Speaker 2>they're all still currently here. And it is a little

0:21:18.938 --> 0:21:22.418
<v Speaker 2>bit of an awkward dynamic there. But it Rabel's the

0:21:22.418 --> 0:21:24.338
<v Speaker 2>guy that has the hammer, as Mike Reaves put it

0:21:24.378 --> 0:21:26.778
<v Speaker 2>on your station, I think, then, you know, everybody's got

0:21:26.818 --> 0:21:29.258
<v Speaker 2>to kind of fall in line underneath Rabel, and he's

0:21:29.298 --> 0:21:33.298
<v Speaker 2>the one that hopefully will be able to keep everybody

0:21:33.658 --> 0:21:37.378
<v Speaker 2>you know, on schedule, on tracks and in check. So

0:21:37.778 --> 0:21:40.018
<v Speaker 2>that's the front office side of it. I do eventually

0:21:40.218 --> 0:21:42.978
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I still feel like it will

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<v Speaker 2>be Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel for the long term,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe we see some of these other guys phased

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<v Speaker 2>out over the course of the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>But the other big element to this as well, just

0:21:54.098 --> 0:21:58.538
<v Speaker 2>going back the little history on Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel,

0:21:59.218 --> 0:22:02.098
<v Speaker 2>this was supposed to happen in Tennessee, right, These two

0:22:02.098 --> 0:22:05.298
<v Speaker 2>guys were supposed to take power in Tennessee after they

0:22:05.338 --> 0:22:09.018
<v Speaker 2>fired John Robinson and Tennessee Cowden was named the interim

0:22:09.058 --> 0:22:14.138
<v Speaker 2>general manager for the time being, and the owner, who's

0:22:15.218 --> 0:22:18.818
<v Speaker 2>the owner. She said that, you know, Cowden was going

0:22:18.818 --> 0:22:20.698
<v Speaker 2>to be the general manager, Rabel was going to be

0:22:20.698 --> 0:22:24.458
<v Speaker 2>the head coach. And then in order to basically avoid

0:22:24.498 --> 0:22:27.698
<v Speaker 2>giving too much power to Mike Rabel, because that's his guy,

0:22:27.738 --> 0:22:30.098
<v Speaker 2>You're basically handing the building over to Mike Ramble at

0:22:30.098 --> 0:22:32.898
<v Speaker 2>that point. In order to give, you know, to avoid

0:22:33.378 --> 0:22:36.378
<v Speaker 2>giving up too much power to Mike Rabel, she changed

0:22:36.378 --> 0:22:39.418
<v Speaker 2>her mind and hired Ran Carthin And that was sort

0:22:39.458 --> 0:22:43.138
<v Speaker 2>of what caused the the House of cards, right like that,

0:22:43.138 --> 0:22:45.378
<v Speaker 2>that's sort of what caused it all to fall down

0:22:45.418 --> 0:22:49.258
<v Speaker 2>there in Tennessee. So from the outside looking in, this

0:22:49.298 --> 0:22:51.058
<v Speaker 2>looks like mister Kraft is saying.

0:22:51.018 --> 0:22:53.658
<v Speaker 3>We'll do it. Well, we'll give you the keys, and

0:22:54.298 --> 0:22:56.138
<v Speaker 3>with Ryan Cadden, we're cool with that.

0:22:56.298 --> 0:22:59.498
<v Speaker 2>So that's the front office side of it. Before we

0:22:59.538 --> 0:23:02.098
<v Speaker 2>get into all the coordinators. Because I made a list,

0:23:02.138 --> 0:23:04.578
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<v Speaker 2>before we open it up to the phones into the email,

0:23:31.258 --> 0:23:33.298
<v Speaker 2>which we have plenty of, I do want to talk

0:23:33.338 --> 0:23:36.258
<v Speaker 2>about offensive coordinator and where they go. Now, big big

0:23:36.298 --> 0:23:39.258
<v Speaker 2>news yesterday Patriots and Jason Tommy Reese goes back to

0:23:39.298 --> 0:23:42.338
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland as their offensive coordinator. So Tommy Reese is off

0:23:42.378 --> 0:23:45.458
<v Speaker 2>the board. Where do you would you like to see

0:23:45.458 --> 0:23:49.098
<v Speaker 2>them go with offensive coordinator? And I think it's kind

0:23:49.098 --> 0:23:51.298
<v Speaker 2>of Josh McDaniels verus the field right now for a

0:23:51.298 --> 0:23:51.978
<v Speaker 2>lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>So how do you specifically feel about Josh.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm still kind of where we were last week,

0:23:58.338 --> 0:24:00.058
<v Speaker 4>which is I'm not opposed to it. I don't think

0:24:00.058 --> 0:24:02.938
<v Speaker 4>he'd be a bad hire. I'm curious how much more

0:24:03.018 --> 0:24:06.898
<v Speaker 4>there is to the twenty twenty Cam Newton offense, because yeah,

0:24:06.938 --> 0:24:08.898
<v Speaker 4>I think they're basically gonna end up running a version.

0:24:08.938 --> 0:24:11.058
<v Speaker 4>They should run a version of that with Drake may

0:24:11.498 --> 0:24:14.098
<v Speaker 4>If Josh McDaniels is here, there's obviously the big plus.

0:24:14.098 --> 0:24:16.338
<v Speaker 4>He's not a flight risk. He's not going anywhere. You

0:24:16.378 --> 0:24:18.138
<v Speaker 4>have some security, you have some you know you're gonna

0:24:18.138 --> 0:24:21.538
<v Speaker 4>build continuity with him and Drake may Be. It'd be

0:24:21.578 --> 0:24:23.778
<v Speaker 4>a fine hire. I'm curious about some of those up

0:24:23.778 --> 0:24:26.178
<v Speaker 4>and coming guys I said last week, can he find

0:24:26.178 --> 0:24:29.018
<v Speaker 4>his own? Ben Johnson? I would still kind of poke around,

0:24:29.138 --> 0:24:31.778
<v Speaker 4>talk to talk to people in that world and see

0:24:31.778 --> 0:24:33.778
<v Speaker 4>if you find somebody you really believe in. I keep

0:24:33.818 --> 0:24:36.458
<v Speaker 4>getting them mixed up. Matt Mike, which one's in La

0:24:37.098 --> 0:24:38.498
<v Speaker 4>Mike Lafleur is an interesting one.

0:24:38.578 --> 0:24:41.898
<v Speaker 2>You get that mixed up to two names like Hars

0:24:41.938 --> 0:24:43.658
<v Speaker 2>either Okay.

0:24:43.698 --> 0:24:47.018
<v Speaker 3>The other one Mike l is the coordinator.

0:24:47.258 --> 0:24:49.418
<v Speaker 4>The other one Mike Reese threw this name out, Dave

0:24:49.498 --> 0:24:51.898
<v Speaker 4>rang Goon. I think it's the quarterbacks coach in LA. Yeah,

0:24:51.978 --> 0:24:56.778
<v Speaker 4>something like that past game who worked for Arthur Smith.

0:24:57.218 --> 0:25:00.218
<v Speaker 4>So there's a bit of a through line there. It

0:25:00.298 --> 0:25:03.378
<v Speaker 4>was interesting though, when I looked up, So I did

0:25:03.378 --> 0:25:06.058
<v Speaker 4>this whole thing before Mike Greable got fired, and I

0:25:06.098 --> 0:25:07.898
<v Speaker 4>posted on Sunday. You can read on ninety eight five

0:25:07.938 --> 0:25:10.298
<v Speaker 4>the sports on dot Com. It wasn't so much a

0:25:10.378 --> 0:25:13.898
<v Speaker 4>list of potential offensive coordinators. It's definitely part of it,

0:25:14.258 --> 0:25:15.818
<v Speaker 4>but it was more. And I was texting you during this,

0:25:15.818 --> 0:25:16.818
<v Speaker 4>I think you're got annoyed with.

0:25:16.738 --> 0:25:18.978
<v Speaker 3>Me, Yeah, because you were throwing out random names.

0:25:19.018 --> 0:25:26.417
<v Speaker 2>Well so it was Staley Barrett put everybody on the list,

0:25:26.418 --> 0:25:26.938
<v Speaker 2>fifty guys.

0:25:26.978 --> 0:25:29.338
<v Speaker 4>But this is my point. I was getting so sick

0:25:29.338 --> 0:25:31.818
<v Speaker 4>of the he's a Patriot guy, he's a Belichick guy.

0:25:31.898 --> 0:25:34.018
<v Speaker 4>He's not going to go outside the building. It was

0:25:34.098 --> 0:25:36.218
<v Speaker 4>kind of a gut response to that take. And then

0:25:36.258 --> 0:25:38.858
<v Speaker 4>will you need a pipeline offensive coordinator? Take to just

0:25:38.898 --> 0:25:42.178
<v Speaker 4>be like, hey, here's all the offensive coaches he's been

0:25:42.178 --> 0:25:47.818
<v Speaker 4>connected to. Thirty one names, on there. But when I

0:25:47.858 --> 0:25:50.218
<v Speaker 4>went through that list, like there's definitely some offensive there's

0:25:50.218 --> 0:25:52.738
<v Speaker 4>definitely some offense coordinators on there, whether it's Josh McDaniels,

0:25:52.738 --> 0:25:55.417
<v Speaker 4>whether it's Tim Kelly. I had Tommy Reese on there

0:25:55.418 --> 0:25:58.378
<v Speaker 4>that's now not happening. But the guys I found that

0:25:58.418 --> 0:26:01.738
<v Speaker 4>were really interesting were like the guys who are a

0:26:01.778 --> 0:26:03.978
<v Speaker 4>year or two away from being an offensive coordinator, the

0:26:03.978 --> 0:26:06.218
<v Speaker 4>guys that need maybe one more job to round out

0:26:06.258 --> 0:26:08.898
<v Speaker 4>the resume and be an offensive coordinator. Whether that's a

0:26:08.898 --> 0:26:11.498
<v Speaker 4>guy liked Staley in Cleveland, who I think was a

0:26:11.618 --> 0:26:14.618
<v Speaker 4>top offensive candiate coordinator candidate at one point and I

0:26:14.618 --> 0:26:16.898
<v Speaker 4>don't know whatever happened to that. But a guy like

0:26:16.978 --> 0:26:21.658
<v Speaker 4>Duce Staley, a guy like Luke Steckel, who's his backrouandsitioning.

0:26:21.698 --> 0:26:24.018
<v Speaker 4>He's coached a bunch of different positions, been a bunch

0:26:24.018 --> 0:26:27.178
<v Speaker 4>of different places. He's the Raiders tight ends coach last year, right,

0:26:27.258 --> 0:26:28.418
<v Speaker 4>heller brock Bauers.

0:26:28.498 --> 0:26:31.018
<v Speaker 3>He was in Tennessee at some point, so kept him.

0:26:30.898 --> 0:26:33.458
<v Speaker 4>In Tennessee, which he's always telling to me. Coach comes in,

0:26:33.898 --> 0:26:36.818
<v Speaker 4>looks at the staff, ninety percent of those guys getting

0:26:36.858 --> 0:26:42.098
<v Speaker 4>blown out. He kept Luke Steckel, So that tells me something. J. T.

0:26:42.178 --> 0:26:44.218
<v Speaker 4>Barrett was another one. He was on the on the

0:26:44.258 --> 0:26:46.578
<v Speaker 4>staff of Lions when Barrett was at Ohio State. Right,

0:26:46.578 --> 0:26:49.298
<v Speaker 4>you want a little day Ben Johnson flavor. J T.

0:26:49.378 --> 0:26:52.298
<v Speaker 4>Barrett is the assistant quarterbacks coach in Detroit. You bring

0:26:52.338 --> 0:26:54.378
<v Speaker 4>him in as the quarterbacks coach and maybe kind of

0:26:54.418 --> 0:26:56.458
<v Speaker 4>get him going. So if you hire a guy like

0:26:56.538 --> 0:26:59.938
<v Speaker 4>a Lafleur or like one of these up and coming names,

0:26:59.938 --> 0:27:02.018
<v Speaker 4>when he moves on. Now you have J. T. Barrett,

0:27:02.018 --> 0:27:03.538
<v Speaker 4>Now you have Luke Steckell. Now you have one of

0:27:03.538 --> 0:27:06.338
<v Speaker 4>these guys that's ready to become your offensive coordinator. So

0:27:06.898 --> 0:27:09.018
<v Speaker 4>I'm with you. I think it's McDaniels against the field.

0:27:09.738 --> 0:27:12.218
<v Speaker 4>If it is McDaniels instead of the pipeline. The next

0:27:12.218 --> 0:27:15.978
<v Speaker 4>big question is wide receivers coach. Wes Welker is obviously

0:27:16.018 --> 0:27:17.938
<v Speaker 4>the name that comes to mind. He was teammates with

0:27:18.018 --> 0:27:24.218
<v Speaker 4>Hines Ward in Pittsburgh before Rabel, before he came here.

0:27:24.418 --> 0:27:27.298
<v Speaker 4>Hines Ward's now wide receivers coach at Arizona State. They

0:27:27.338 --> 0:27:29.778
<v Speaker 4>have some they're all underclassmen, so nobody knows them because

0:27:29.778 --> 0:27:31.058
<v Speaker 4>they're not in the draft here. But they have some

0:27:31.138 --> 0:27:33.458
<v Speaker 4>up and coming wide receivers. That's a guy'd be interested

0:27:33.458 --> 0:27:35.138
<v Speaker 4>in bringing in. I don't know how connected he is

0:27:35.178 --> 0:27:38.178
<v Speaker 4>to Sean Jefferson. That's another name though. If it's if

0:27:38.178 --> 0:27:41.338
<v Speaker 4>it's McDaniels, I'm looking at wide receivers coach. If it's not,

0:27:41.378 --> 0:27:43.338
<v Speaker 4>you're looking at that pipeline. But there's some really good

0:27:43.418 --> 0:27:44.498
<v Speaker 4>pipeline names out there.

0:27:44.858 --> 0:27:48.298
<v Speaker 2>So my first of all, I'm a huge fan of

0:27:48.378 --> 0:27:52.458
<v Speaker 2>Josh McDaniels. Yeah, And I don't mean to like put

0:27:52.458 --> 0:27:56.378
<v Speaker 2>my nose up to people right now, but I can

0:27:56.418 --> 0:27:58.458
<v Speaker 2>tell a lot of people that are negative on Josh

0:27:58.578 --> 0:28:02.658
<v Speaker 2>McDaniels don't necessarily think the game through like the lens

0:28:02.658 --> 0:28:05.098
<v Speaker 2>of a coach, because I can tell you talking to

0:28:05.178 --> 0:28:08.698
<v Speaker 2>coaches around the league, Josh McDaniels is a mother to

0:28:08.738 --> 0:28:09.218
<v Speaker 2>go up again.

0:28:09.338 --> 0:28:12.058
<v Speaker 4>So I'll say this about Josh McDaniels, and you tell

0:28:12.098 --> 0:28:14.298
<v Speaker 4>me if I'm off base. There are things he does

0:28:14.338 --> 0:28:17.618
<v Speaker 4>as an offensive coordinator that bug me certainly. Yeah, I'll

0:28:17.618 --> 0:28:20.698
<v Speaker 4>take those things though, Like, I'll deal with that, Like

0:28:21.258 --> 0:28:24.298
<v Speaker 4>his play sequencing gets annoying sometimes obviously the third long

0:28:24.338 --> 0:28:27.858
<v Speaker 4>shotgun runs, like sometimes he feels a little situationally conservative.

0:28:28.258 --> 0:28:31.658
<v Speaker 4>I'll deal with that for all the positives he brings

0:28:32.578 --> 0:28:35.658
<v Speaker 4>versus like most of like some of these stuff other

0:28:35.658 --> 0:28:37.657
<v Speaker 4>offense coordinators do where they just get too cute with

0:28:37.698 --> 0:28:41.258
<v Speaker 4>it or this and that. McDaniels isn't perfect, but when

0:28:41.298 --> 0:28:43.138
<v Speaker 4>you actually step back and look at the big picture,

0:28:43.298 --> 0:28:46.698
<v Speaker 4>the stuff that it annoys you about him is really

0:28:46.778 --> 0:28:51.138
<v Speaker 4>not that bad because he compensates for it so significantly

0:28:51.138 --> 0:28:51.738
<v Speaker 4>in other ways.

0:28:51.858 --> 0:28:57.258
<v Speaker 2>He's an excellent, excellent coordinator. He's not a good head coach.

0:28:57.378 --> 0:28:59.138
<v Speaker 2>We know that, but we're not hiring, right, those are

0:28:59.178 --> 0:29:01.058
<v Speaker 2>two different things. I hire him to be the head Guys, we.

0:29:01.018 --> 0:29:03.738
<v Speaker 4>Discussed last week, we're hiring somebody to be the head coach.

0:29:03.898 --> 0:29:06.178
<v Speaker 4>He became the head coach. Now you're hiring somebody to

0:29:06.178 --> 0:29:07.858
<v Speaker 4>be the head coordinator. That person is not going to

0:29:07.898 --> 0:29:08.378
<v Speaker 4>be the head.

0:29:08.418 --> 0:29:10.578
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he's a really good coordinator.

0:29:10.738 --> 0:29:14.938
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest things with McDaniel's his experience is really,

0:29:16.218 --> 0:29:19.338
<v Speaker 2>I guess just comforting in a way a lot like

0:29:19.738 --> 0:29:25.458
<v Speaker 2>Rabel's experience is comforting because you're handing this coordinator a

0:29:25.498 --> 0:29:30.138
<v Speaker 2>twenty two year old franchise potential quarterback, right, and Drake

0:29:30.218 --> 0:29:33.138
<v Speaker 2>May has all of the bells and whistles to be

0:29:33.178 --> 0:29:35.338
<v Speaker 2>a great quarterback in this league. But he's not a

0:29:35.378 --> 0:29:38.338
<v Speaker 2>finished product. He still has a ways to go. He

0:29:38.378 --> 0:29:40.978
<v Speaker 2>still has to you know, figure out that line to

0:29:41.018 --> 0:29:43.538
<v Speaker 2>cut down on turnovers and but still be aggressive. Was

0:29:43.578 --> 0:29:45.018
<v Speaker 2>it aggressive but not reckless?

0:29:45.178 --> 0:29:47.818
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, he said, you said with the math.

0:29:47.858 --> 0:29:49.898
<v Speaker 4>That made me feel things when I heard a great

0:29:49.898 --> 0:29:51.778
<v Speaker 4>How many times have I come on the show, Evan,

0:29:51.978 --> 0:29:54.858
<v Speaker 4>whether we're talking about Drake may or some other quarterback instead,

0:29:54.898 --> 0:29:57.058
<v Speaker 4>aggressive but not recons so aggressive?

0:29:57.418 --> 0:29:59.978
<v Speaker 3>That was a great You know, he still has ways

0:30:00.018 --> 0:30:01.138
<v Speaker 3>to go in those types of things.

0:30:01.178 --> 0:30:03.418
<v Speaker 2>I still think he has a ways to go in

0:30:03.778 --> 0:30:05.978
<v Speaker 2>certain things mentally too, you know, in terms of reading

0:30:06.018 --> 0:30:08.298
<v Speaker 2>coverage and uh setting you know, things at the line

0:30:08.338 --> 0:30:10.218
<v Speaker 2>of scrimmage and all, you know, all things that young

0:30:10.298 --> 0:30:12.738
<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks have to learn. Like, I'm not saying that Drake

0:30:12.858 --> 0:30:17.338
<v Speaker 2>is behind or like different than other guys.

0:30:16.738 --> 0:30:18.258
<v Speaker 3>It's just right.

0:30:18.298 --> 0:30:20.978
<v Speaker 2>So there's still ways to go there. So as much

0:30:21.018 --> 0:30:24.738
<v Speaker 2>as I would be excited about a Josh McCown or

0:30:24.778 --> 0:30:28.138
<v Speaker 2>excited about bringing back a Nick Keyley, who I think

0:30:28.178 --> 0:30:32.018
<v Speaker 2>has a great mix of of old and new, right,

0:30:32.058 --> 0:30:33.898
<v Speaker 2>you know, he can surrun some of the Patriots stuff

0:30:33.938 --> 0:30:36.578
<v Speaker 2>that they ran for years that was successful, but meld

0:30:36.618 --> 0:30:39.898
<v Speaker 2>it with the mcveay stuff like, that's obviously extremely intriguing.

0:30:40.338 --> 0:30:42.658
<v Speaker 2>Clint Kubiak is the name that people have thrown out

0:30:42.698 --> 0:30:46.618
<v Speaker 2>that is from the Shanahan Gary Kubiak obviously his father.

0:30:46.818 --> 0:30:50.538
<v Speaker 2>You know, like those guys like they're intriguing guys. Tommy

0:30:50.578 --> 0:30:54.618
<v Speaker 2>Reese was an intriguing candidate. But all these guys you're handing,

0:30:54.658 --> 0:30:57.138
<v Speaker 2>you know, Nick Keyley for example, just to use him,

0:30:57.298 --> 0:31:00.338
<v Speaker 2>Nick Kelly has never coached quarterbacks before. So you're handing

0:31:00.858 --> 0:31:03.618
<v Speaker 2>a second year quarterback in a big pivotal year of

0:31:03.658 --> 0:31:06.258
<v Speaker 2>his development to an offensive guy. It's not Matt Patricia,

0:31:06.618 --> 0:31:09.378
<v Speaker 2>but you're handing him to a guy that's never coached

0:31:09.418 --> 0:31:09.818
<v Speaker 2>the position.

0:31:09.898 --> 0:31:15.578
<v Speaker 4>Now, quarterbacks coach becomes incredibly important. And right that's where

0:31:15.618 --> 0:31:17.738
<v Speaker 4>I liked Reese, though I wouldn't put Reese quite in

0:31:17.738 --> 0:31:19.418
<v Speaker 4>that group because he is a quarterback.

0:31:19.018 --> 0:31:20.258
<v Speaker 3>Guy, but he didn't coach.

0:31:20.338 --> 0:31:24.098
<v Speaker 2>He coached quarterbacks in college. He coached tight ends last

0:31:24.138 --> 0:31:25.418
<v Speaker 2>year for the Brown.

0:31:25.738 --> 0:31:26.778
<v Speaker 4>He is a quarterback back.

0:31:26.898 --> 0:31:29.218
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he is a quarterback, you know, yeah, not

0:31:29.258 --> 0:31:30.578
<v Speaker 3>a good one, but he was a quarter Oh.

0:31:30.578 --> 0:31:33.138
<v Speaker 4>Look, Jalen Milroe had his best season under Reese And

0:31:33.178 --> 0:31:35.818
<v Speaker 4>I know some people breaking down on Jalen Millship.

0:31:35.418 --> 0:31:36.178
<v Speaker 3>As sales, but.

0:31:37.658 --> 0:31:40.378
<v Speaker 2>I just he's thirty two years old, Okay, Like he's

0:31:40.418 --> 0:31:43.218
<v Speaker 2>a young guy. Josh McDaniels, you don't worry about any

0:31:43.258 --> 0:31:45.258
<v Speaker 2>of that. Josh McDaniels is called plays in this league

0:31:45.298 --> 0:31:48.138
<v Speaker 2>for two decades. He's worked with all sorts of quarterbacks

0:31:48.138 --> 0:31:50.298
<v Speaker 2>that I understand that. You know, he has had varying

0:31:50.338 --> 0:31:53.058
<v Speaker 2>degrees of success outside of Brady, some of it not

0:31:53.178 --> 0:31:56.338
<v Speaker 2>so good, but he's worked with a bunch of different qbs.

0:31:56.938 --> 0:32:00.738
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the camm Newton offense in twenty twenty. Do

0:32:00.818 --> 0:32:03.418
<v Speaker 2>I want Drake running like Cam Newton? No, because that

0:32:03.458 --> 0:32:06.338
<v Speaker 2>Cam Newton's a different type of athlete, right, he's six six,

0:32:06.338 --> 0:32:08.018
<v Speaker 2>two d and fifty.

0:32:08.458 --> 0:32:10.338
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like it's a different type of dude. So you're

0:32:10.338 --> 0:32:11.858
<v Speaker 3>not going to be ramming Drake.

0:32:11.698 --> 0:32:14.098
<v Speaker 2>May into the line of scrimmage on the goal line

0:32:14.138 --> 0:32:15.338
<v Speaker 2>like you were with Cam Newton.

0:32:15.338 --> 0:32:17.098
<v Speaker 4>Could you use Joe Milton as a package player and

0:32:17.178 --> 0:32:19.498
<v Speaker 4>May stop part of the offense, But no, I'm dead serious,

0:32:19.538 --> 0:32:21.938
<v Speaker 4>Like that's something Josh would do too. Maybe can you

0:32:21.938 --> 0:32:24.418
<v Speaker 4>have a Joe Milton package where you put him in there?

0:32:24.418 --> 0:32:26.298
<v Speaker 4>And they go in that full house formation they had

0:32:26.298 --> 0:32:28.058
<v Speaker 4>with Cam and when you're on the goal lineer, it's

0:32:28.058 --> 0:32:30.458
<v Speaker 4>third and one and you run that stuff like Josh

0:32:30.538 --> 0:32:32.658
<v Speaker 4>would do that. That to me seems like something Josh

0:32:32.698 --> 0:32:34.138
<v Speaker 4>would do that. I don't know that some of these

0:32:34.138 --> 0:32:35.738
<v Speaker 4>other guys would do. They get cute and put like

0:32:35.738 --> 0:32:38.698
<v Speaker 4>the right tackle back there or something. So no like that.

0:32:39.218 --> 0:32:40.938
<v Speaker 4>It's it's good to bring up because there is some

0:32:41.058 --> 0:32:41.738
<v Speaker 4>relevance there.

0:32:41.938 --> 0:32:46.698
<v Speaker 2>So my point being with McDaniels, if you're somebody that's like, oh,

0:32:46.738 --> 0:32:49.698
<v Speaker 2>his offense is archaic, you know, it's his Stone age offense,

0:32:49.738 --> 0:32:52.338
<v Speaker 2>and is he gonna be able to do some of

0:32:52.378 --> 0:32:55.058
<v Speaker 2>the things that these new offensive coordinators like I heard

0:32:55.138 --> 0:32:58.658
<v Speaker 2>Dan Rolovsky talking about, you know, the new age RPOs,

0:32:58.778 --> 0:33:00.978
<v Speaker 2>the four by ones, like all that kind of stuff.

0:33:01.178 --> 0:33:02.898
<v Speaker 3>I would urge you to go watch.

0:33:02.658 --> 0:33:05.178
<v Speaker 2>The twenty twenty Patriots, and I understand the twenty twenty

0:33:05.178 --> 0:33:09.218
<v Speaker 2>Patriots fell apart and their offense wasn't great in terms of.

0:33:09.138 --> 0:33:10.498
<v Speaker 3>The production much as anything else.

0:33:10.578 --> 0:33:13.858
<v Speaker 2>But he had Cam Newton who couldn't throw anymore, and

0:33:13.898 --> 0:33:16.578
<v Speaker 2>he had demere Bird as his top outside receiver.

0:33:17.218 --> 0:33:18.578
<v Speaker 3>He did not have a ton of.

0:33:18.538 --> 0:33:20.738
<v Speaker 2>Talent, was Ryan Is the top tight end. Ryan Is

0:33:20.978 --> 0:33:22.738
<v Speaker 2>was the top tight end. Like they didn't have a

0:33:22.778 --> 0:33:26.338
<v Speaker 2>ton of talent on that team. And the number one

0:33:26.378 --> 0:33:29.858
<v Speaker 2>thing that I would point to, they were eighth in

0:33:29.898 --> 0:33:32.778
<v Speaker 2>the league and rushing the football that year. They were

0:33:32.778 --> 0:33:36.098
<v Speaker 2>a top ten rushing offense in twenty twenty with Cam Newton.

0:33:36.498 --> 0:33:40.538
<v Speaker 2>So that shows me that he has the chops and

0:33:40.578 --> 0:33:43.658
<v Speaker 2>he has it in his rolodecks on his menu. To

0:33:43.658 --> 0:33:46.578
<v Speaker 2>be able to run design quarterback run, to be able

0:33:46.618 --> 0:33:51.458
<v Speaker 2>to run RPO, to be able to run different gun variations.

0:33:51.498 --> 0:33:54.778
<v Speaker 2>That all we're really talking about is making yourself more

0:33:54.818 --> 0:33:57.418
<v Speaker 2>efficient in the gun because a lot of these young

0:33:57.498 --> 0:34:00.618
<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks don't want to play from under center. So in

0:34:00.698 --> 0:34:03.738
<v Speaker 2>order to make more out of the gun, you have

0:34:03.818 --> 0:34:06.018
<v Speaker 2>to be more scheme diverse. You can't just have him

0:34:06.058 --> 0:34:07.738
<v Speaker 2>drop back pass from the gun all the time like

0:34:07.738 --> 0:34:08.498
<v Speaker 2>he's Tom Brady.

0:34:08.698 --> 0:34:09.537
<v Speaker 3>It's not gonna work.

0:34:09.777 --> 0:34:12.538
<v Speaker 2>So you have to add in things like window dressing,

0:34:12.698 --> 0:34:16.778
<v Speaker 2>like motion, like read option, like RPO, all these different

0:34:16.777 --> 0:34:20.658
<v Speaker 2>bells and whistles that teams use with Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels,

0:34:21.218 --> 0:34:23.977
<v Speaker 2>you know, go on, Lamar Jackson, Like that's how you

0:34:24.098 --> 0:34:27.138
<v Speaker 2>make it easier for the quarterback, So he's not Brady

0:34:27.378 --> 0:34:30.138
<v Speaker 2>coming to the line of scrimmage looking at the defense,

0:34:30.578 --> 0:34:33.618
<v Speaker 2>checking the play, making a perfect throw. Like, we don't

0:34:33.618 --> 0:34:35.377
<v Speaker 2>have to do all that stuff because we have all

0:34:35.418 --> 0:34:39.098
<v Speaker 2>this other scheme related we're weaponizing the scheme with all

0:34:39.138 --> 0:34:43.378
<v Speaker 2>this other stuff. And I wouldn't jump to the conclusion

0:34:44.178 --> 0:34:46.978
<v Speaker 2>that McDaniels doesn't have the ability to do that, but

0:34:47.018 --> 0:34:49.618
<v Speaker 2>he just hasn't had the quarterback to do it with

0:34:49.938 --> 0:34:53.218
<v Speaker 2>other than Cam. Right, you're not going to move the

0:34:53.258 --> 0:34:56.898
<v Speaker 2>pocket with Tom Brady, no, right, Like you're not going

0:34:56.978 --> 0:34:58.698
<v Speaker 2>to run a lot of boots and a lot of

0:34:58.978 --> 0:35:02.618
<v Speaker 2>movement plays when you have Tom Brady as your quarterback.

0:35:03.018 --> 0:35:04.898
<v Speaker 2>And this isn't a knock on Brady because he did

0:35:04.898 --> 0:35:07.018
<v Speaker 2>a million other things amazing, right, but it just wasn't

0:35:07.058 --> 0:35:10.698
<v Speaker 2>a stylistically different right, So I was, you know, just

0:35:10.818 --> 0:35:16.098
<v Speaker 2>with McDaniels, he hasn't necessarily had a quarterback that has

0:35:16.098 --> 0:35:18.098
<v Speaker 2>the skill set of Drake May that has that kind

0:35:18.138 --> 0:35:20.378
<v Speaker 2>of tools. If you wanted to like put together the

0:35:20.458 --> 0:35:23.058
<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks that he worked with, it was like Cam Newton's

0:35:23.138 --> 0:35:25.458
<v Speaker 2>legs with you know, like you know, a good arm

0:35:25.538 --> 0:35:27.817
<v Speaker 2>talent quarterback from the pocket. Then like maybe you could

0:35:27.818 --> 0:35:30.098
<v Speaker 2>do it that way, but he's never had the complete

0:35:30.098 --> 0:35:33.218
<v Speaker 2>package in terms of what everything is on the menu. Now,

0:35:33.378 --> 0:35:35.538
<v Speaker 2>you know, you can run him, he can throw the ball,

0:35:35.778 --> 0:35:37.698
<v Speaker 2>you can move him out of the pocket, like you

0:35:37.738 --> 0:35:40.338
<v Speaker 2>can do anything you really want to do. And I

0:35:40.378 --> 0:35:43.058
<v Speaker 2>watch a lot of the twenty twenty McDaniel's offense over

0:35:43.058 --> 0:35:45.898
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of days with Cam. I saw a

0:35:45.938 --> 0:35:48.378
<v Speaker 2>little bit of the Raiders offense. There's more of that

0:35:48.538 --> 0:35:54.458
<v Speaker 2>stuff in his playbook that you just didn't call because

0:35:54.498 --> 0:35:56.698
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't what you were ordering off the menu. With

0:35:56.778 --> 0:36:00.058
<v Speaker 2>the quarterbacks he was working with, then maybe meets the eye,

0:36:00.178 --> 0:36:02.498
<v Speaker 2>so as you can tell by all, like I would

0:36:02.578 --> 0:36:06.258
<v Speaker 2>hire Josh McDaniels for this position. I just I really

0:36:06.258 --> 0:36:09.858
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable with McDaniels. You mentioned some of his awards,

0:36:09.858 --> 0:36:13.498
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not perfect. I don't think that he's the

0:36:13.538 --> 0:36:18.098
<v Speaker 2>most you know, motion heavy coordinator. You know, he runs

0:36:18.138 --> 0:36:20.098
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of a stagnant offense at least

0:36:20.138 --> 0:36:22.338
<v Speaker 2>what he did you know with the Patriots and with

0:36:22.618 --> 0:36:25.738
<v Speaker 2>the Raiders recently. But the one thing that really stands

0:36:25.738 --> 0:36:29.898
<v Speaker 2>out to me is he's got that ability to take

0:36:29.938 --> 0:36:33.538
<v Speaker 2>the twenty two to Cam Newton offense. Yeah, twenty twenty

0:36:33.618 --> 0:36:37.338
<v Speaker 2>Cam Newton offense with like the rookie year Mac Jones

0:36:37.418 --> 0:36:38.658
<v Speaker 2>and like a little bit of what he did in

0:36:38.738 --> 0:36:41.898
<v Speaker 2>Vegas in twenty two and put those two things together.

0:36:42.178 --> 0:36:44.658
<v Speaker 2>So now you have the drop back pass game of

0:36:44.858 --> 0:36:47.538
<v Speaker 2>a Mac Jones of a Derek Carr with the run

0:36:47.578 --> 0:36:50.578
<v Speaker 2>game of a Cam Newton, and that's really intrigued. Like that,

0:36:50.738 --> 0:36:53.458
<v Speaker 2>If that's the way that they go, that's really intriguing.

0:36:53.578 --> 0:36:56.937
<v Speaker 2>And you're giving your young quarterback to an experienced guy

0:36:57.138 --> 0:36:59.618
<v Speaker 2>who were not worried about he's never called plays before,

0:36:59.658 --> 0:37:02.058
<v Speaker 2>he's never worked with quarterbacks before, he's never coordinated in

0:37:02.058 --> 0:37:04.938
<v Speaker 2>an offense before. We're not worried about any of those things.

0:37:04.978 --> 0:37:07.458
<v Speaker 2>Like last year it was always Alex Van Pelts never

0:37:07.498 --> 0:37:10.258
<v Speaker 2>called plays, So we're worried about that, right, we're worried

0:37:10.258 --> 0:37:12.498
<v Speaker 2>about that sort of thing. If you hired a Josh

0:37:12.618 --> 0:37:16.218
<v Speaker 2>McCown type pants guy, it's exciting. He's the new guy, right,

0:37:16.258 --> 0:37:20.218
<v Speaker 2>he's a guy in town. He's never coordinated an offense before.

0:37:20.738 --> 0:37:23.658
<v Speaker 2>So we don't know. We don't know how much of

0:37:23.698 --> 0:37:26.058
<v Speaker 2>that offense is Kevin O'Connell. Probably a lot of it.

0:37:26.098 --> 0:37:29.058
<v Speaker 4>Do you think they could drag mccount away in a

0:37:29.138 --> 0:37:31.498
<v Speaker 4>lateral move. I would love from as the quarterbacks coach.

0:37:31.578 --> 0:37:33.538
<v Speaker 2>So the issue, you know, with a lot of this,

0:37:33.658 --> 0:37:36.098
<v Speaker 2>and you know when we start to put together staffs

0:37:36.138 --> 0:37:41.138
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, it's not impossible, but we're crossing.

0:37:41.258 --> 0:37:44.658
<v Speaker 2>We're crossing languages here, right, Like Josh McDaniels will be

0:37:44.738 --> 0:37:46.658
<v Speaker 2>ep guy. Right, he's gonna come in and run aera

0:37:46.698 --> 0:37:50.218
<v Speaker 2>Harp Perkins. Josh McCown is a West Coast Tree type

0:37:50.218 --> 0:37:53.018
<v Speaker 2>of guy, right, Kevin O'Connell, you know, same thing would

0:37:53.098 --> 0:37:56.098
<v Speaker 2>would be said for a lot of those guys that

0:37:56.218 --> 0:37:58.218
<v Speaker 2>you know, Clint Koobiak, you know, any one of these

0:37:58.258 --> 0:38:01.778
<v Speaker 2>guys that we've thrown out. So if you want to

0:38:01.818 --> 0:38:05.458
<v Speaker 2>stick to the EP system and the roots of the

0:38:05.498 --> 0:38:08.298
<v Speaker 2>McDaniels system, then you got to get McDaniel's guys to

0:38:08.338 --> 0:38:10.338
<v Speaker 2>coming coach quarterbacks, right, you got to get guys that

0:38:10.418 --> 0:38:12.058
<v Speaker 2>understand j Bart come in there.

0:38:12.818 --> 0:38:13.578
<v Speaker 3>It's possible.

0:38:13.618 --> 0:38:16.298
<v Speaker 2>You know, Lions like run some stuff that is The

0:38:16.338 --> 0:38:18.817
<v Speaker 2>Lions offense is kind of Schmorgas port of everything. Yeah,

0:38:18.898 --> 0:38:20.298
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a little bit of RAMS, it's a

0:38:20.338 --> 0:38:22.258
<v Speaker 2>little bit of EP in terms of their protections and

0:38:22.298 --> 0:38:26.138
<v Speaker 2>their rules up front, so you could maybe do something

0:38:26.218 --> 0:38:28.098
<v Speaker 2>like that. I hear what you're saying. No, like a

0:38:28.178 --> 0:38:31.298
<v Speaker 2>kind of younger, more up and coming. Yeah, good, be

0:38:31.378 --> 0:38:32.098
<v Speaker 2>underneath Josh.

0:38:32.138 --> 0:38:33.498
<v Speaker 4>So let me give you two more names that I'm

0:38:33.498 --> 0:38:35.578
<v Speaker 4>curious about. I don't know how realistic either of these are,

0:38:35.618 --> 0:38:36.778
<v Speaker 4>but I think they're worth discussing.

0:38:37.018 --> 0:38:38.058
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:38.138 --> 0:38:43.138
<v Speaker 4>Bill O'Brien is obviously at BC Zano Chefter a couple

0:38:43.178 --> 0:38:45.418
<v Speaker 4>weeks ago said he likes it there, but he didn't

0:38:45.458 --> 0:38:48.018
<v Speaker 4>like entirely rule out that he wouldn't take a call

0:38:48.058 --> 0:38:50.778
<v Speaker 4>from the NFL called right in to talk to Rabel

0:38:50.818 --> 0:38:54.698
<v Speaker 4>and EEI the other day. That one's kind of interesting

0:38:54.738 --> 0:38:57.377
<v Speaker 4>to me, And that wouldn't be with Josh. That would

0:38:57.418 --> 0:38:59.858
<v Speaker 4>be I mean, you're hiring his offense coordinator. And the

0:38:59.938 --> 0:39:02.178
<v Speaker 4>other one is where's alex man Pelton? All this? He's

0:39:02.218 --> 0:39:04.258
<v Speaker 4>not going back to Cleveland. We know that because Tommy

0:39:04.298 --> 0:39:08.178
<v Speaker 4>Reese is there. Is he gonna get another offense coordinator job?

0:39:08.378 --> 0:39:11.578
<v Speaker 4>Which I think he could, but if he doesn't, and

0:39:11.618 --> 0:39:15.218
<v Speaker 4>I know you talked about crossing languages, but part of

0:39:15.218 --> 0:39:18.498
<v Speaker 4>me is like, I just think Van Pelt's a fantastic teacher. Yeah, right,

0:39:18.978 --> 0:39:23.618
<v Speaker 4>that's a great teacher, So could you have him? Could

0:39:23.618 --> 0:39:25.338
<v Speaker 4>you kind of lock him in a room with McDaniels

0:39:25.338 --> 0:39:28.258
<v Speaker 4>for a week, have McDaniel's drill everything to him, and

0:39:28.298 --> 0:39:30.258
<v Speaker 4>now he gets to keep working with Drake may on

0:39:30.298 --> 0:39:32.538
<v Speaker 4>some the technique stuff and some of the fundamental stuff.

0:39:32.698 --> 0:39:35.458
<v Speaker 4>But would he take a demotion here or at that

0:39:35.498 --> 0:39:36.938
<v Speaker 4>point is it Well, I'm going to be a quarterbacks

0:39:36.938 --> 0:39:38.898
<v Speaker 4>coach him to go somewhere else, so it's not a demotion.

0:39:39.418 --> 0:39:41.138
<v Speaker 4>Like to get what I'm saying, where does he fit

0:39:41.218 --> 0:39:41.538
<v Speaker 4>in all this?

0:39:41.778 --> 0:39:42.138
<v Speaker 3>I do.

0:39:42.858 --> 0:39:47.377
<v Speaker 2>My concern with mixing guys from different trees is that

0:39:48.258 --> 0:39:51.858
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the way that these offenses are designed.

0:39:51.898 --> 0:39:53.498
<v Speaker 2>It's not so much that I don't think Alex van

0:39:53.578 --> 0:39:57.498
<v Speaker 2>Pel could learn the verbiage of Josh mcdaniels's playbook, but

0:39:57.658 --> 0:40:00.857
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the way these offenses are designed are

0:40:00.898 --> 0:40:05.458
<v Speaker 2>so that the quarterback mechanics tie together with the offense. Right,

0:40:05.538 --> 0:40:08.658
<v Speaker 2>so like the left foot forward stuff and the rhythmic

0:40:08.698 --> 0:40:10.698
<v Speaker 2>of the passing game in the West Coast offense that

0:40:12.458 --> 0:40:15.538
<v Speaker 2>AVP runs, all of that is tied together to the

0:40:15.618 --> 0:40:17.378
<v Speaker 2>routes so that they're tethered together.

0:40:17.498 --> 0:40:20.098
<v Speaker 3>So his drop back is timed up with his reads

0:40:20.098 --> 0:40:20.698
<v Speaker 3>and the routes.

0:40:20.938 --> 0:40:23.258
<v Speaker 2>So now when you start to rewrite all of that,

0:40:23.738 --> 0:40:27.658
<v Speaker 2>it starts to change in terms of like the timing

0:40:27.858 --> 0:40:30.898
<v Speaker 2>of everything starts to change, you know, the cadence, timing,

0:40:30.938 --> 0:40:35.018
<v Speaker 2>the drop back. So if he's gonna if McDaniels is

0:40:35.058 --> 0:40:39.218
<v Speaker 2>coming here, it's gonna change all of that stuff.

0:40:39.298 --> 0:40:40.458
<v Speaker 3>So you're not really.

0:40:40.218 --> 0:40:43.698
<v Speaker 2>Doing AVP it's work anymore. You understand what I'm like,

0:40:43.738 --> 0:40:47.378
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting at. Yeah, So with AVP, I guess like

0:40:47.498 --> 0:40:49.658
<v Speaker 2>my question was, is and I wrote this when I

0:40:49.698 --> 0:40:53.698
<v Speaker 2>wrote My coordinators before candidates, before Reese took the Browns job,

0:40:54.138 --> 0:40:57.138
<v Speaker 2>is like, would you hire a guy like Tommy Reese

0:40:57.618 --> 0:41:01.378
<v Speaker 2>as the offensive coordinator and then try to convince Alex

0:41:01.418 --> 0:41:04.298
<v Speaker 2>van Pelt to stay on as like a senior offensive

0:41:04.378 --> 0:41:06.258
<v Speaker 2>like in the van mcadee role, right, like, as like

0:41:06.258 --> 0:41:09.857
<v Speaker 2>a senior offensive assistant work with Drake May. You're still

0:41:09.858 --> 0:41:11.978
<v Speaker 2>going to speak the West Coast language. So we're not

0:41:12.098 --> 0:41:15.738
<v Speaker 2>changing playbooks necessarily, We're just bringing in a Tommy Rees

0:41:15.858 --> 0:41:18.938
<v Speaker 2>to update and just kind of innovate the offense a

0:41:18.978 --> 0:41:21.418
<v Speaker 2>little bit, living up the scheme and the play design

0:41:21.458 --> 0:41:24.098
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. Is there a possibility if you

0:41:24.098 --> 0:41:29.938
<v Speaker 2>want to go that direction of Clint Kubiak, Josh McCown,

0:41:30.738 --> 0:41:34.458
<v Speaker 2>Nick Kayley, Mike Lafleur, like coming in and being the

0:41:34.978 --> 0:41:38.898
<v Speaker 2>tight pants guy with Alex van Pelt on their staff.

0:41:39.018 --> 0:41:41.377
<v Speaker 2>I think that would be more realistic and just based

0:41:41.418 --> 0:41:44.178
<v Speaker 2>off of what Rabel has done in the past, being

0:41:44.218 --> 0:41:47.698
<v Speaker 2>a West Coast offense basically all throughout Tennessee his time

0:41:47.698 --> 0:41:50.218
<v Speaker 2>with the Titans, that would make a lot of sense

0:41:50.258 --> 0:41:52.058
<v Speaker 2>to me. You know, you have to pitch Alex van

0:41:52.098 --> 0:41:52.658
<v Speaker 2>Pelt on it.

0:41:53.178 --> 0:41:53.777
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how.

0:41:55.458 --> 0:41:58.138
<v Speaker 4>It's just tough. If like, if I'm in his shoes,

0:41:58.178 --> 0:41:59.857
<v Speaker 4>what would I do? It's tough to say.

0:42:00.338 --> 0:42:02.098
<v Speaker 2>So he can't go back to Cleveland or you know,

0:42:02.218 --> 0:42:04.058
<v Speaker 2>you don't think that he can go back to Cleveland.

0:42:04.098 --> 0:42:05.058
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he could go back to.

0:42:05.058 --> 0:42:07.058
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland as a position coach or something like that if

0:42:07.058 --> 0:42:09.898
<v Speaker 2>he really wanted to, but that's sort of off the table.

0:42:11.338 --> 0:42:13.418
<v Speaker 2>Where else would you like? Maybe back to Green Bay?

0:42:13.538 --> 0:42:15.258
<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, where else are you going?

0:42:15.258 --> 0:42:16.498
<v Speaker 4>You got to look at it in the track. I mean,

0:42:16.538 --> 0:42:19.138
<v Speaker 4>just assuming that he wants to be a head coach, right,

0:42:19.138 --> 0:42:21.738
<v Speaker 4>because that's what the majority of these guys want, and

0:42:21.938 --> 0:42:23.338
<v Speaker 4>I don't I know, he's a little bit older. I

0:42:23.338 --> 0:42:25.297
<v Speaker 4>don't think he's at the age where he like, it's

0:42:25.298 --> 0:42:27.018
<v Speaker 4>not like seventy right, and it's like, well, I'm gonna

0:42:27.018 --> 0:42:30.337
<v Speaker 4>be a coordinator. That's just it. You know what gets

0:42:30.338 --> 0:42:33.658
<v Speaker 4>you closer to head coach? Is it? Because there's there's

0:42:33.698 --> 0:42:37.018
<v Speaker 4>the image that the league is going to have if

0:42:37.018 --> 0:42:38.698
<v Speaker 4>you take what might be a demotion here to go

0:42:38.698 --> 0:42:41.258
<v Speaker 4>to quarterbacks coach, if you go somewhere else and be

0:42:41.298 --> 0:42:43.898
<v Speaker 4>a quarterbacks coach, well, now you've taken you haven't directly

0:42:43.978 --> 0:42:46.418
<v Speaker 4>taken atomotion, but you're gonna have the same success elsewhere

0:42:46.458 --> 0:42:48.777
<v Speaker 4>without Drake May What quarterback you're gonna be working with?

0:42:49.578 --> 0:42:51.418
<v Speaker 4>Do you go out in the league and do you

0:42:51.418 --> 0:42:53.058
<v Speaker 4>go do media for a year or two and then

0:42:53.098 --> 0:42:54.817
<v Speaker 4>try to work your way back in that way?

0:42:55.578 --> 0:42:55.938
<v Speaker 3>You know it?

0:42:56.418 --> 0:42:57.937
<v Speaker 4>I feel bad for him because this is a second

0:42:57.978 --> 0:42:59.777
<v Speaker 4>year in a row that he's kind of ended up with.

0:43:00.778 --> 0:43:02.858
<v Speaker 4>He did a well, I don't I wouldn't say got

0:43:02.858 --> 0:43:05.018
<v Speaker 4>scapegoated because the entire staff just got let go.

0:43:05.098 --> 0:43:07.058
<v Speaker 3>But he but he was scapegoaded in Cleveland.

0:43:07.098 --> 0:43:07.378
<v Speaker 2>He was a.

0:43:07.298 --> 0:43:09.538
<v Speaker 4>Scapegoating Cleveland, right, And I was gonna say, this is

0:43:09.538 --> 0:43:11.778
<v Speaker 4>the second year in a row and he's been fired.

0:43:11.818 --> 0:43:13.538
<v Speaker 4>He's been let go for different reasons. We think he's

0:43:13.538 --> 0:43:14.938
<v Speaker 4>been let go. I guess I should say he's still

0:43:14.938 --> 0:43:18.058
<v Speaker 4>technically employed. But yeah, if they go another direction offensive coordinator.

0:43:18.938 --> 0:43:20.857
<v Speaker 4>This is a second year row in a row. He's

0:43:20.898 --> 0:43:23.978
<v Speaker 4>done a good job and lost his job. So it's

0:43:24.018 --> 0:43:25.658
<v Speaker 4>it's a really tough spot for him to be in.

0:43:26.138 --> 0:43:28.458
<v Speaker 4>I would love to see them, you know, the senior

0:43:28.498 --> 0:43:29.898
<v Speaker 4>advisor thing, if it is going to be a West

0:43:29.938 --> 0:43:32.658
<v Speaker 4>Coast amends. Honestly, even if it's not, just to keep

0:43:32.698 --> 0:43:36.018
<v Speaker 4>him in the building. Just whatever he did last year,

0:43:36.058 --> 0:43:41.178
<v Speaker 4>he clearly his messaging worked for Drake May, it weren't

0:43:41.218 --> 0:43:44.338
<v Speaker 4>for for both quarterbacks, right, it's not just the West

0:43:44.378 --> 0:43:46.938
<v Speaker 4>Coast technique of it all, Like he reached these guys,

0:43:47.458 --> 0:43:49.938
<v Speaker 4>and to just have him in the building as almost

0:43:49.978 --> 0:43:52.698
<v Speaker 4>a translator, yeah, for the quarterbacks or something like that.

0:43:53.458 --> 0:43:55.337
<v Speaker 4>I would love to see them keep him around in

0:43:55.378 --> 0:43:58.458
<v Speaker 4>that role. You mentioned the analytics stuff with Rabel, Let's

0:43:58.458 --> 0:44:00.298
<v Speaker 4>get that well, no, no, no, just just as kind of

0:44:00.338 --> 0:44:03.218
<v Speaker 4>an aside. Another thing that you know, you wonder if

0:44:03.258 --> 0:44:07.298
<v Speaker 4>he took from that is a lot of those teams,

0:44:07.298 --> 0:44:10.218
<v Speaker 4>the teams that preach analytics, they have big coaching staffs. Yeah,

0:44:10.298 --> 0:44:13.098
<v Speaker 4>that's something they believe in. Is Rabel going to be

0:44:13.098 --> 0:44:14.698
<v Speaker 4>one of these guys? Even last year it was a

0:44:14.738 --> 0:44:17.418
<v Speaker 4>bigger staff than Bill, it was still one of the

0:44:17.458 --> 0:44:19.337
<v Speaker 4>I think there were was about middle of the league

0:44:19.338 --> 0:44:21.218
<v Speaker 4>in terms of the size of the coaching staff. It

0:44:21.298 --> 0:44:23.738
<v Speaker 4>wasn't big, it wasn't small, but it wasn't big. Is

0:44:23.818 --> 0:44:24.938
<v Speaker 4>Rabel going to be a guy who's going to have

0:44:24.938 --> 0:44:27.258
<v Speaker 4>a big coaching staff, because you know, if you're trying

0:44:27.298 --> 0:44:28.858
<v Speaker 4>to keep it limited and say we don't want too

0:44:28.858 --> 0:44:31.898
<v Speaker 4>many cooks in the kitchen, we want define blah blah blah,

0:44:31.978 --> 0:44:33.817
<v Speaker 4>you're probably not gonna do this with Van Pell. If

0:44:33.818 --> 0:44:36.258
<v Speaker 4>he's somebody coming in and saying, no, we're gonna have

0:44:36.298 --> 0:44:38.458
<v Speaker 4>the number of people in here that we need like

0:44:38.538 --> 0:44:41.458
<v Speaker 4>to do this, then you maybe look at Van Pelt

0:44:41.498 --> 0:44:43.378
<v Speaker 4>for role like that. So it'll be really interesting. But

0:44:43.778 --> 0:44:45.578
<v Speaker 4>one way or the other, even if it is McDaniels,

0:44:45.618 --> 0:44:46.938
<v Speaker 4>I would love to see them try to find a

0:44:46.938 --> 0:44:49.058
<v Speaker 4>way to even just in the short term, you know,

0:44:49.178 --> 0:44:50.978
<v Speaker 4>year or two, keep Alex van Pelt in the building.

0:44:51.178 --> 0:44:53.298
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess I I mean, we can we

0:44:53.298 --> 0:44:55.098
<v Speaker 2>don't have to get up bogged down by the Samanas.

0:44:55.138 --> 0:44:57.418
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you need Alex Vampeller with McDaniels is here,

0:44:58.018 --> 0:44:59.978
<v Speaker 2>But if they do high.

0:44:59.738 --> 0:45:01.178
<v Speaker 4>I don't think you need him, but I don't think

0:45:01.178 --> 0:45:02.578
<v Speaker 4>would be a bad thing to keep him around.

0:45:02.738 --> 0:45:05.338
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just worry. I just don't see how it.

0:45:05.938 --> 0:45:07.978
<v Speaker 2>I don't see how it pertains. Like I don't like

0:45:08.018 --> 0:45:11.258
<v Speaker 2>it's like an It's like an algebra course with a

0:45:11.298 --> 0:45:14.218
<v Speaker 2>calculus teacher, right like you just you're you're teaching two

0:45:14.218 --> 0:45:17.458
<v Speaker 2>different things. But regardless of that, that's like not here

0:45:17.498 --> 0:45:21.938
<v Speaker 2>nor there so much if they hire one of these guys,

0:45:22.058 --> 0:45:25.338
<v Speaker 2>that's not we don't say they don't hire McDaniels, and

0:45:25.378 --> 0:45:27.618
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna hire one of these up and comers, like

0:45:27.658 --> 0:45:30.618
<v Speaker 2>a Nick Kyley, like a Josh McCown, like one of

0:45:30.698 --> 0:45:33.378
<v Speaker 2>these types of people. I'm going to Alex van Pelt

0:45:33.378 --> 0:45:36.098
<v Speaker 2>and I'm saying, listen, we need some We need to

0:45:36.138 --> 0:45:39.418
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit more innovative on offense, we need

0:45:39.458 --> 0:45:42.018
<v Speaker 2>to liven up the scheme, we need to be a

0:45:42.058 --> 0:45:45.018
<v Speaker 2>little bit fresher in terms of what we're doing schematically

0:45:45.058 --> 0:45:46.978
<v Speaker 2>and play design wise offensively.

0:45:47.458 --> 0:45:50.377
<v Speaker 3>But we we love the work that you did with Drake.

0:45:50.458 --> 0:45:53.098
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we know that Drake likes you, he trusts you,

0:45:53.778 --> 0:45:57.178
<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna we want you to stay on to.

0:45:57.218 --> 0:45:58.578
<v Speaker 3>Keep doing that type of stuff.

0:45:58.698 --> 0:46:02.337
<v Speaker 2>Basically be the quarterbacks coach more or less. And you know,

0:46:02.818 --> 0:46:05.338
<v Speaker 2>Josh mccow's got to design the offense, he's.

0:46:05.138 --> 0:46:06.058
<v Speaker 3>Gonna call the plays.

0:46:06.578 --> 0:46:08.978
<v Speaker 2>You, but you are gonna help a lot with the

0:46:09.058 --> 0:46:12.258
<v Speaker 2>quarterback and let's just keep that part of it rolling.

0:46:12.858 --> 0:46:15.178
<v Speaker 2>I would have loved that with Tommy Reese too, but

0:46:15.418 --> 0:46:17.978
<v Speaker 2>now that that's off the table, I'm with you, like

0:46:18.018 --> 0:46:19.817
<v Speaker 2>I think that with Nick Kaylee, I.

0:46:19.738 --> 0:46:23.178
<v Speaker 3>Think is a really really strong duo to do that.

0:46:23.258 --> 0:46:26.218
<v Speaker 2>You have a quarterbacks guy, and Alex van Pelt has

0:46:26.258 --> 0:46:29.298
<v Speaker 2>experienced with these quarterbacks and working with these quarterbacks, and

0:46:29.338 --> 0:46:31.738
<v Speaker 2>you have Nick Kaylee to come in here and design

0:46:31.738 --> 0:46:33.858
<v Speaker 2>the place and run the offense and call the place.

0:46:34.498 --> 0:46:36.698
<v Speaker 2>I would be on board with that as well. If

0:46:36.778 --> 0:46:39.857
<v Speaker 2>they are going to go the more inexperienced route, though,

0:46:40.178 --> 0:46:43.378
<v Speaker 2>I need Vampeld here, like I need somebody like that

0:46:43.378 --> 0:46:45.458
<v Speaker 2>that I could sit here and say, Okay, that guy

0:46:45.858 --> 0:46:48.818
<v Speaker 2>has has done it before with quarterbacks. He's been around

0:46:48.818 --> 0:46:51.298
<v Speaker 2>the block, he knows what he's doing. I'm not handing

0:46:51.378 --> 0:46:55.018
<v Speaker 2>Drake may A, first time everything, first time quarterback guy,

0:46:55.058 --> 0:46:56.578
<v Speaker 2>first time play caller, first.

0:46:56.338 --> 0:46:58.978
<v Speaker 3>Time ocie and just by himself. I'm not doing that.

0:46:59.058 --> 0:47:01.458
<v Speaker 2>But if Alex van Pelt's here to like be a

0:47:01.538 --> 0:47:05.218
<v Speaker 2>guide along the way, then then sure I'm with that.

0:47:05.498 --> 0:47:08.298
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned analytics. I do want to go back to

0:47:08.378 --> 0:47:12.218
<v Speaker 2>that here in a second, but quickly before we take

0:47:12.218 --> 0:47:15.937
<v Speaker 2>all the calls and everything. I don't think that there's

0:47:15.978 --> 0:47:20.458
<v Speaker 2>a ton of It's not as interesting to talk about

0:47:20.458 --> 0:47:21.777
<v Speaker 2>the defense side of the ball and what's going.

0:47:22.858 --> 0:47:24.538
<v Speaker 4>When he got hired Sunday, I was on the radio

0:47:24.618 --> 0:47:27.618
<v Speaker 4>with Matt McCarthy and we did the whole office corner,

0:47:27.618 --> 0:47:29.178
<v Speaker 4>I think, goes, who do you like for defense coordinators?

0:47:29.218 --> 0:47:31.338
<v Speaker 4>Like I honestly never thought it. I was so focused

0:47:31.618 --> 0:47:33.498
<v Speaker 4>on Ben Jonson defensive coordinators.

0:47:33.538 --> 0:47:36.738
<v Speaker 2>I never thought of yeah cool, because honestly it matters,

0:47:36.778 --> 0:47:38.098
<v Speaker 2>of course, like it doesn't.

0:47:38.218 --> 0:47:40.098
<v Speaker 4>I want it to be Mike Rabel's defense. Yeah, I

0:47:40.538 --> 0:47:42.618
<v Speaker 4>want him to be in charge like Patrick Graham is

0:47:42.658 --> 0:47:45.738
<v Speaker 4>the kind of layup named yeah right, but yeah, I

0:47:45.818 --> 0:47:47.857
<v Speaker 4>this was one of the big problems with girod Mayo

0:47:48.098 --> 0:47:52.337
<v Speaker 4>was he wasn't doing enough on the day to day.

0:47:52.458 --> 0:47:53.938
<v Speaker 4>He was trying to be a week to week coach,

0:47:54.018 --> 0:47:55.338
<v Speaker 4>not a day to day coach, and you need a

0:47:55.418 --> 0:47:57.578
<v Speaker 4>day to day coach, especially with a young team. I

0:47:57.618 --> 0:48:00.178
<v Speaker 4>want Rabel there on the sidelines with the whiteboard, in

0:48:00.218 --> 0:48:02.738
<v Speaker 4>the huddle, like after the defense comes off. I wanted

0:48:02.778 --> 0:48:05.898
<v Speaker 4>to be his unit. And maybe he's not calling the plays,

0:48:06.618 --> 0:48:08.258
<v Speaker 4>but like I want him to be the one that's

0:48:08.258 --> 0:48:10.218
<v Speaker 4>handing the play sheet to the defensive coordinator right and

0:48:10.218 --> 0:48:11.938
<v Speaker 4>say this is what we worked on all week. I

0:48:11.978 --> 0:48:13.777
<v Speaker 4>want him to be able to jump in on third

0:48:13.818 --> 0:48:17.418
<v Speaker 4>downs and say, hey, I'm making this call. Things like that. So, yeah,

0:48:17.458 --> 0:48:19.858
<v Speaker 4>you're right, it's not honestly special teams. One's more interesting

0:48:19.858 --> 0:48:22.338
<v Speaker 4>to me, of course, because well no, because of course

0:48:22.338 --> 0:48:25.178
<v Speaker 4>it is. I thought that they really made strides on.

0:48:25.498 --> 0:48:26.938
<v Speaker 3>Tom Quinn was with him in Tennessee.

0:48:27.098 --> 0:48:29.218
<v Speaker 4>Right. So the question is, does he look at Tom

0:48:29.298 --> 0:48:30.978
<v Speaker 4>Quinn and say, I'm making you my guy because we

0:48:31.018 --> 0:48:33.417
<v Speaker 4>worked together in Tennessee, yeah, Or does tom Quin maybe

0:48:33.418 --> 0:48:36.258
<v Speaker 4>go to him and say, hey, me and Springer, we

0:48:36.258 --> 0:48:38.738
<v Speaker 4>did a good thing going last year. Let's just not

0:48:38.858 --> 0:48:41.698
<v Speaker 4>like I'm fine being the assistant. Let's just not touch it. Yeah, right,

0:48:42.058 --> 0:48:43.938
<v Speaker 4>So because I we all said this at the end

0:48:43.938 --> 0:48:45.938
<v Speaker 4>of the year. Like oddly enough, Springer was the one

0:48:45.938 --> 0:48:47.978
<v Speaker 4>guy we sort of looked at and said, yeah, he's

0:48:48.138 --> 0:48:50.138
<v Speaker 4>probably good, like you should say so, Yeah, I.

0:48:50.178 --> 0:48:51.938
<v Speaker 3>Think you know, Tom Quinn was a big part of

0:48:51.938 --> 0:48:54.138
<v Speaker 3>what they did, right, so experience.

0:48:54.178 --> 0:48:57.658
<v Speaker 4>I would love to see them run it back on

0:48:57.698 --> 0:48:58.378
<v Speaker 4>special teams.

0:48:58.458 --> 0:49:00.218
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'd be less okay with that.

0:49:00.378 --> 0:49:04.658
<v Speaker 2>I a defensive coordinator, you know, I'm a big fan

0:49:04.658 --> 0:49:07.578
<v Speaker 2>of lou Ana Rumos. So if they if they went

0:49:07.618 --> 0:49:09.578
<v Speaker 2>after big Lou, I would be all for it.

0:49:09.778 --> 0:49:11.938
<v Speaker 3>But that's his defense, right, don't you think so?

0:49:12.018 --> 0:49:13.777
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Don't you think Louien and Romo is gonna want

0:49:13.778 --> 0:49:15.778
<v Speaker 4>to go somewhere where like he's the head coach of

0:49:15.818 --> 0:49:17.098
<v Speaker 4>the defense kind of thing.

0:49:16.978 --> 0:49:17.778
<v Speaker 3>I would imagine.

0:49:17.778 --> 0:49:19.818
<v Speaker 2>So, But there is a lot of overlap between what

0:49:20.178 --> 0:49:23.058
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots and what the Titans and what the Bengals

0:49:23.058 --> 0:49:26.698
<v Speaker 2>have done schematically from a defensive perspective, I'd actually think

0:49:26.738 --> 0:49:29.858
<v Speaker 2>that that would work in terms of those two systems

0:49:29.858 --> 0:49:30.458
<v Speaker 2>coming together.

0:49:31.218 --> 0:49:34.018
<v Speaker 3>But he I just think he's a great coach, right, I.

0:49:33.978 --> 0:49:34.817
<v Speaker 4>Know, I don't get you're wrong.

0:49:34.858 --> 0:49:35.218
<v Speaker 3>I do too.

0:49:35.258 --> 0:49:37.098
<v Speaker 4>I would take him one hundred percent. I would take him.

0:49:37.138 --> 0:49:39.858
<v Speaker 4>But if i'm him I'm looking like I want to

0:49:39.898 --> 0:49:42.538
<v Speaker 4>go somewhere where it's clearly my show on defense, because

0:49:42.898 --> 0:49:44.378
<v Speaker 4>does he still want to be a head coach? Right?

0:49:44.618 --> 0:49:44.777
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:49:44.818 --> 0:49:46.458
<v Speaker 4>I want to go somewhere where it's clearly my show

0:49:46.498 --> 0:49:48.858
<v Speaker 4>on defense where there's nobody I'm not answering to anybody

0:49:48.898 --> 0:49:50.778
<v Speaker 4>in that regard, and then so that way in a

0:49:50.858 --> 0:49:52.218
<v Speaker 4>year or two, like I can get a head coach.

0:49:52.218 --> 0:49:54.338
<v Speaker 4>If he's here, there's always gonna be the question, and

0:49:54.378 --> 0:49:57.337
<v Speaker 4>everybody knows what a great coach he is, But isn't

0:49:57.338 --> 0:49:58.858
<v Speaker 4>there always gonna kind of be that well is it

0:49:58.938 --> 0:50:01.138
<v Speaker 4>and rumo or is it vable sort of thing? So

0:50:01.818 --> 0:50:04.618
<v Speaker 4>I just I don't know. I don't see what the

0:50:04.738 --> 0:50:07.098
<v Speaker 4>draw is. And there's not a lot of talent here

0:50:07.138 --> 0:50:08.458
<v Speaker 4>for him to work with, and he just dealt with that.

0:50:08.498 --> 0:50:10.857
<v Speaker 4>And that's why I got fired in Cincinnati because there's

0:50:10.858 --> 0:50:12.618
<v Speaker 4>a talent trained on the defense. It's not because he

0:50:12.658 --> 0:50:15.858
<v Speaker 4>was doing a bad job. So what's the draw for

0:50:15.978 --> 0:50:16.618
<v Speaker 4>him to come here?

0:50:17.458 --> 0:50:17.978
<v Speaker 3>That's fair?

0:50:18.498 --> 0:50:20.458
<v Speaker 4>Right? I don't get me. I I'd love to talk to.

0:50:20.818 --> 0:50:22.538
<v Speaker 3>I think his name has to be mentioned because he's

0:50:22.538 --> 0:50:23.298
<v Speaker 3>a great coordinator.

0:50:23.298 --> 0:50:26.218
<v Speaker 4>Fair fair. If i'm him, I'm like, uh, you know,

0:50:26.218 --> 0:50:27.978
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna I got five other interviews.

0:50:28.018 --> 0:50:28.337
<v Speaker 5>I'm good.

0:50:28.418 --> 0:50:30.458
<v Speaker 2>I would say Patrick Graham is in the same category

0:50:30.618 --> 0:50:31.178
<v Speaker 2>I think Patsa.

0:50:31.338 --> 0:50:32.578
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think Patrick Graham is a.

0:50:32.578 --> 0:50:34.778
<v Speaker 4>Guy that he at least has the familiarity with Rabel.

0:50:34.818 --> 0:50:38.498
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, but he's he's getting head coaching interviews

0:50:38.538 --> 0:50:42.618
<v Speaker 2>this cycle already. Yeah, And so I would imagine that

0:50:42.698 --> 0:50:45.058
<v Speaker 2>he's another one of those guys that wants ownership of

0:50:45.098 --> 0:50:48.178
<v Speaker 2>the defense so that he can flex that he's running

0:50:48.218 --> 0:50:50.098
<v Speaker 2>that side of the ball when it comes to interviews

0:50:50.138 --> 0:50:52.738
<v Speaker 2>in the future. So you know, Shane Bowen is his

0:50:52.778 --> 0:50:54.938
<v Speaker 2>guy from Tennessee. He's with the Giants right now. It

0:50:54.978 --> 0:50:56.817
<v Speaker 2>sounds like he's going to stay with the Giants at

0:50:56.898 --> 0:50:59.578
<v Speaker 2>least for the time being. So I find those ones

0:50:59.618 --> 0:51:03.378
<v Speaker 2>interesting just a little bit though, because if you're in

0:51:03.418 --> 0:51:05.298
<v Speaker 2>the other name I i'd put in this category is

0:51:05.298 --> 0:51:08.098
<v Speaker 2>a more experienced guy. Jim Schwartz has like a long

0:51:08.178 --> 0:51:11.498
<v Speaker 2>relationship with Rabel, going back to being on his staff

0:51:11.498 --> 0:51:13.458
<v Speaker 2>in Tennessee as a senior advisor.

0:51:13.738 --> 0:51:14.738
<v Speaker 3>And all that type of stuff.

0:51:14.778 --> 0:51:16.658
<v Speaker 4>So I think Jimmy Stewart threw that name out.

0:51:17.098 --> 0:51:19.978
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Jim Schwartz and Shane Bowen just putting those two

0:51:20.058 --> 0:51:23.178
<v Speaker 2>names together for a second, if you go to those

0:51:23.178 --> 0:51:25.698
<v Speaker 2>two guys, if you're Vrabel and I understand that he's

0:51:25.738 --> 0:51:28.498
<v Speaker 2>got a relationship probably with Dable and Kevin Stefanski, So

0:51:28.818 --> 0:51:30.738
<v Speaker 2>you have to be careful.

0:51:30.578 --> 0:51:31.138
<v Speaker 3>You phrase this.

0:51:31.658 --> 0:51:34.938
<v Speaker 2>But what are the odds that they're sitting here next

0:51:34.978 --> 0:51:37.297
<v Speaker 2>year without jobs because their two head coaches just got

0:51:37.298 --> 0:51:40.138
<v Speaker 2>blown out in New York and in Cleveland?

0:51:40.698 --> 0:51:41.338
<v Speaker 3>Pretty high?

0:51:41.498 --> 0:51:44.218
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty high that that job in Cleveland and

0:51:44.298 --> 0:51:46.337
<v Speaker 2>that job with the Giants does not have a whole

0:51:46.338 --> 0:51:49.458
<v Speaker 2>lot of staying power. Rabel's getting multiple years to try

0:51:49.498 --> 0:51:50.538
<v Speaker 2>to fix this here.

0:51:51.058 --> 0:51:52.377
<v Speaker 3>They just want and done to coach.

0:51:52.458 --> 0:51:56.818
<v Speaker 2>It's not happening again, So he's getting multiple chances from

0:51:56.938 --> 0:52:00.578
<v Speaker 2>the Crafts to build this here. So if you're Shane

0:52:00.578 --> 0:52:04.458
<v Speaker 2>Bowen and you can go next year with the Giants

0:52:05.098 --> 0:52:07.418
<v Speaker 2>have all the same issues you just had last year

0:52:07.458 --> 0:52:09.458
<v Speaker 2>that was not a very good football team, just like

0:52:09.498 --> 0:52:13.738
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots, and then potentially run the risk of getting

0:52:13.738 --> 0:52:17.298
<v Speaker 2>fired in a year when Dable gets blown out if

0:52:17.298 --> 0:52:20.858
<v Speaker 2>they stink again, then you could come here. You probably

0:52:20.858 --> 0:52:23.337
<v Speaker 2>have two or three years of job security here at

0:52:23.338 --> 0:52:28.098
<v Speaker 2>the very least, and maybe a decade if it goes well, Right,

0:52:28.178 --> 0:52:28.578
<v Speaker 2>so at.

0:52:28.458 --> 0:52:30.297
<v Speaker 4>That point you hope you can hire Aways a head coach.

0:52:30.538 --> 0:52:34.178
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So that would just be a pitch I

0:52:34.218 --> 0:52:36.738
<v Speaker 2>would maybe try to make. Bowen is you know, an

0:52:36.778 --> 0:52:38.898
<v Speaker 2>intense guy, fired up guy. You can see him on

0:52:38.938 --> 0:52:41.578
<v Speaker 2>hard knocks. He's like one of those types of coaches, right,

0:52:41.618 --> 0:52:44.138
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna make you want to run through a brick wall.

0:52:44.818 --> 0:52:48.978
<v Speaker 2>Jim Schwartz is a mastermind. He's he's an experienced mastermind,

0:52:49.298 --> 0:52:53.258
<v Speaker 2>awesome pressure coach, like great at press, scheming up pressure,

0:52:53.258 --> 0:52:55.938
<v Speaker 2>and designing pressure. He's one of the best in the

0:52:56.018 --> 0:52:58.378
<v Speaker 2>league on the defense side of the ball. Like I said,

0:52:58.378 --> 0:53:00.698
<v Speaker 2>he's been with Rabel in Tennessee. I think it was

0:53:01.338 --> 0:53:04.578
<v Speaker 2>for maybe two years as a senior advisor on the

0:53:04.578 --> 0:53:06.698
<v Speaker 2>defensive side of the ball, and that staff I.

0:53:06.858 --> 0:53:07.698
<v Speaker 3>Would just pitch them.

0:53:07.858 --> 0:53:10.938
<v Speaker 2>And there's then there's some other names that are some

0:53:10.978 --> 0:53:12.538
<v Speaker 2>of the up and coming guys that kind of like

0:53:12.578 --> 0:53:15.018
<v Speaker 2>the tight pants equivalent on the defensive side of the ball.

0:53:15.258 --> 0:53:17.658
<v Speaker 2>That if it is truly going to be Rabel's defense,

0:53:17.938 --> 0:53:21.378
<v Speaker 2>then maybe he develops a coach instead, like I think Rabel,

0:53:21.978 --> 0:53:24.618
<v Speaker 2>not that just as an example, but like if Rabel

0:53:24.698 --> 0:53:27.578
<v Speaker 2>was was with DeMarcus Comington last year like that, that

0:53:27.658 --> 0:53:29.818
<v Speaker 2>might have worked out better, right when you have like

0:53:29.858 --> 0:53:32.578
<v Speaker 2>a more experience as head coach that is running the

0:53:32.618 --> 0:53:35.338
<v Speaker 2>defense side of the ball, done it before, whatever, you know,

0:53:35.418 --> 0:53:37.818
<v Speaker 2>that type of guy. So you know there's some names

0:53:37.858 --> 0:53:40.058
<v Speaker 2>out there. I'm gonna butcher this one name, so I

0:53:40.378 --> 0:53:47.658
<v Speaker 2>apologize in advance. Efraim Branda Banda who is on the

0:53:47.658 --> 0:53:48.498
<v Speaker 2>head coaching track.

0:53:48.898 --> 0:53:49.538
<v Speaker 3>He's one name.

0:53:49.578 --> 0:53:52.658
<v Speaker 2>Brandon Lynch, Chris Harris, a couple of other names there

0:53:52.698 --> 0:53:56.578
<v Speaker 2>on the defense side of the ball that have connections

0:53:56.618 --> 0:54:00.618
<v Speaker 2>to Rabel that you know could potentially come over. Treil

0:54:00.658 --> 0:54:04.258
<v Speaker 2>Williams into Shad Townsend are the two guys in Detroit. Yeah,

0:54:04.298 --> 0:54:05.858
<v Speaker 2>one of those guys I would assume is going to

0:54:05.938 --> 0:54:08.138
<v Speaker 2>take over for Aaron Glenn when he gets a job

0:54:08.458 --> 0:54:10.857
<v Speaker 2>this cycle. But maybe the other guy that doesn't get

0:54:10.898 --> 0:54:12.698
<v Speaker 2>it is going to be out, you know, and maybe

0:54:12.738 --> 0:54:14.857
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be looking for a job. So those would

0:54:14.858 --> 0:54:17.218
<v Speaker 2>be the guys that I would throw out as like, Okay,

0:54:17.258 --> 0:54:20.538
<v Speaker 2>that's the tight pants equivalent on defense. Rabel's really gonna

0:54:20.538 --> 0:54:22.698
<v Speaker 2>be the guy that's running the defense, but we're going

0:54:22.778 --> 0:54:26.098
<v Speaker 2>to train this guy to maybe take on more responsibility

0:54:26.138 --> 0:54:29.378
<v Speaker 2>as we go here. But yeah, I'm not as interested

0:54:29.378 --> 0:54:32.578
<v Speaker 2>in that side of the ball. But there's a couple

0:54:32.578 --> 0:54:36.218
<v Speaker 2>of names on that side coaching wise, you know, Mike Pelgrino,

0:54:36.538 --> 0:54:39.377
<v Speaker 2>I think that we would all both be interested in retaining.

0:54:39.138 --> 0:54:44.698
<v Speaker 4>Him absolutely, And UNC just hired the cornerbacks coach from Washington,

0:54:44.978 --> 0:54:48.698
<v Speaker 4>Washington like, he's one of the bigger names coming up

0:54:48.738 --> 0:54:50.578
<v Speaker 4>on the on that side of the ball in college.

0:54:50.658 --> 0:54:52.978
<v Speaker 4>So I don't know, maybe they're still a job for

0:54:52.978 --> 0:54:56.098
<v Speaker 4>Pelagreno there with Bill, but defensive backs coach is taken.

0:54:56.658 --> 0:55:00.178
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so uh yeah, I think that that's a possibility

0:55:00.218 --> 0:55:02.218
<v Speaker 2>that he goes younger on the defensive side of the

0:55:02.218 --> 0:55:05.098
<v Speaker 2>ball and tries to train that guy up. Last thing

0:55:05.138 --> 0:55:08.418
<v Speaker 2>here and then we'll do the second hour, we'll do

0:55:08.458 --> 0:55:11.298
<v Speaker 2>some draft, we'll do some whatever your phones and emails,

0:55:11.538 --> 0:55:12.618
<v Speaker 2>you guys want to talk about.

0:55:12.658 --> 0:55:13.698
<v Speaker 3>I do want to talk about.

0:55:13.458 --> 0:55:15.178
<v Speaker 2>The analytics thing for a second, because we got it,

0:55:15.538 --> 0:55:18.818
<v Speaker 2>you know, I gotta scratch the stitch. I I was

0:55:18.858 --> 0:55:23.018
<v Speaker 2>so encouraged by what I heard from Vrabel in terms

0:55:23.058 --> 0:55:25.818
<v Speaker 2>of applying analytics to personnel.

0:55:26.338 --> 0:55:28.218
<v Speaker 3>I'm with you, not one hundred.

0:55:28.778 --> 0:55:33.378
<v Speaker 2>I I catch some people by surprise that I am

0:55:33.418 --> 0:55:38.498
<v Speaker 2>not in love with the fourth down decision making route

0:55:38.578 --> 0:55:40.738
<v Speaker 2>in terms of analytics. I don't want to just follow

0:55:40.778 --> 0:55:43.098
<v Speaker 2>the math when it comes to those teens.

0:55:43.418 --> 0:55:46.018
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I'm not like that. People may misunderstand me.

0:55:46.178 --> 0:55:47.178
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't.

0:55:47.738 --> 0:55:50.897
<v Speaker 2>I'm not with that because I do hear the bill

0:55:51.058 --> 0:55:54.777
<v Speaker 2>argument of well, what are the what's the situation, who

0:55:54.778 --> 0:55:57.418
<v Speaker 2>are you playing, what's the weather, what's the flow of

0:55:57.458 --> 0:55:58.777
<v Speaker 2>the game?

0:55:59.218 --> 0:56:01.338
<v Speaker 4>For years. I've been telling you this for years.

0:56:01.418 --> 0:56:03.338
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have never disagreed with you on this.

0:56:04.018 --> 0:56:05.738
<v Speaker 4>You just think that that applies to more than just

0:56:05.778 --> 0:56:06.178
<v Speaker 4>fourth down.

0:56:06.738 --> 0:56:08.297
<v Speaker 3>You just you misunderstand me.

0:56:09.218 --> 0:56:13.378
<v Speaker 2>What I am very very encouraged by was his answer

0:56:13.418 --> 0:56:16.098
<v Speaker 2>to we I yesterday about how they were going to

0:56:16.138 --> 0:56:20.538
<v Speaker 2>apply analytics to player personnel, to scouting, to talent evaluation.

0:56:21.418 --> 0:56:23.978
<v Speaker 2>So when we talk about that side of the street,

0:56:24.018 --> 0:56:27.618
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about in game tracking data. You know, the

0:56:27.698 --> 0:56:30.178
<v Speaker 2>chips and the pads that track miles per hour and

0:56:30.178 --> 0:56:34.858
<v Speaker 2>eletion and the ability to transition whether you're a receiver

0:56:34.938 --> 0:56:36.938
<v Speaker 2>at the top of the route or a dB mirroring

0:56:36.978 --> 0:56:39.698
<v Speaker 2>a receiver at the top of the route, top speed,

0:56:40.018 --> 0:56:43.858
<v Speaker 2>average speed, all those different types of things. The teams

0:56:43.898 --> 0:56:48.818
<v Speaker 2>that are winning in the NFL are all using this data.

0:56:48.938 --> 0:56:51.858
<v Speaker 2>They're all using this data to evaluate talent and to

0:56:51.898 --> 0:56:55.778
<v Speaker 2>evaluate players in the draft and even in pro personnel

0:56:55.858 --> 0:57:01.738
<v Speaker 2>and free agency. The Chiefs, the Bills, the Eagles, the Lions,

0:57:01.818 --> 0:57:04.658
<v Speaker 2>like these teams are all at ms. RAMS are all

0:57:04.698 --> 0:57:08.258
<v Speaker 2>at the forefront of doing all these things. The Patriots

0:57:08.338 --> 0:57:12.458
<v Speaker 2>are way way behind because when they had Bill Belichick,

0:57:13.298 --> 0:57:15.978
<v Speaker 2>it was all just in Bill's mind, right, and he

0:57:16.098 --> 0:57:19.258
<v Speaker 2>had that ability because he's special, but not everybody does.

0:57:19.418 --> 0:57:20.338
<v Speaker 4>Most people don't.

0:57:20.378 --> 0:57:24.938
<v Speaker 2>So the Patriots need to update this part of their

0:57:24.938 --> 0:57:27.978
<v Speaker 2>football operations. They need to come up to the twenty

0:57:28.458 --> 0:57:32.218
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five way of doing things. And the RAMS,

0:57:32.218 --> 0:57:38.218
<v Speaker 2>to me, are the perfect example because who's the I'll

0:57:38.218 --> 0:57:40.058
<v Speaker 2>look it up in a second when I pass it

0:57:40.098 --> 0:57:43.258
<v Speaker 2>to you. The analytics guy for ESPN. He released the

0:57:43.298 --> 0:57:46.898
<v Speaker 2>list every single year of all the analytics departments across

0:57:46.938 --> 0:57:49.338
<v Speaker 2>the league and who's staffed and who you know, how

0:57:49.378 --> 0:57:52.938
<v Speaker 2>many people they do staff. The Rams have two people

0:57:53.698 --> 0:57:57.898
<v Speaker 2>on staff that are their chief analytics guys. So it's

0:57:57.898 --> 0:58:00.338
<v Speaker 2>not like it's this like ten person staff like it

0:58:00.378 --> 0:58:03.818
<v Speaker 2>is in Cleveland. It's just two people. But the Rams

0:58:03.858 --> 0:58:07.138
<v Speaker 2>don't even go to the combine. They don't even go

0:58:07.218 --> 0:58:10.338
<v Speaker 2>to the combine because they don't waste their time with

0:58:10.378 --> 0:58:13.498
<v Speaker 2>the forty anymore, or with the short shuttle or the

0:58:13.538 --> 0:58:17.018
<v Speaker 2>three cone or anything like that. They do the interview

0:58:17.138 --> 0:58:20.578
<v Speaker 2>side and the medical side, but they don't they don't

0:58:20.618 --> 0:58:24.458
<v Speaker 2>pay any attention whatsoever to the on field stuff. So

0:58:25.218 --> 0:58:27.298
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a couple of examples that where it

0:58:27.338 --> 0:58:33.418
<v Speaker 2>worked out. Pukaniku the big everybody points souk is the

0:58:33.418 --> 0:58:36.858
<v Speaker 2>big one, but I would also say Kyron Williams they're

0:58:36.938 --> 0:58:40.538
<v Speaker 2>running back, is another one who did bomb the combine,

0:58:40.538 --> 0:58:43.618
<v Speaker 2>but is a great football athlete, is a great football

0:58:43.658 --> 0:58:46.458
<v Speaker 2>player and a guy that you loved cam Kinchines right

0:58:46.498 --> 0:58:47.418
<v Speaker 2>still do Yeah, good.

0:58:47.298 --> 0:58:51.018
<v Speaker 4>Football player want him so big?

0:58:51.498 --> 0:58:54.018
<v Speaker 2>So those are the three like kind of skill position guys.

0:58:54.218 --> 0:58:56.058
<v Speaker 2>And this is you know, mostly what we're talking about,

0:58:56.138 --> 0:58:59.458
<v Speaker 2>right is the skill positions. Uh but pokin is the

0:58:59.458 --> 0:59:03.058
<v Speaker 2>big one. And there's actually a clip of Sean McVay

0:59:03.098 --> 0:59:07.938
<v Speaker 2>and Less Sneed talking about Pokinakua and uh Les Sneed says, uh,

0:59:07.978 --> 0:59:12.298
<v Speaker 2>if I sort the spreadsheet by my top speeds, then

0:59:12.338 --> 0:59:15.018
<v Speaker 2>he's one of the fastest receivers in the draft. And

0:59:15.058 --> 0:59:17.858
<v Speaker 2>Pukka ran like a four or five something and wasn't

0:59:18.138 --> 0:59:20.858
<v Speaker 2>a good time speed guy. And then you get into

0:59:20.858 --> 0:59:22.698
<v Speaker 2>the game and you can see how good he is

0:59:22.738 --> 0:59:26.498
<v Speaker 2>and how athletic he is, and uh, he's plenty fast

0:59:26.578 --> 0:59:30.298
<v Speaker 2>enough to win at the NFL level. So the Rams

0:59:30.298 --> 0:59:32.178
<v Speaker 2>are like kind of the poster child for it right

0:59:32.218 --> 0:59:34.138
<v Speaker 2>now because of these clips you know, from there behind

0:59:34.138 --> 0:59:36.858
<v Speaker 2>the scenes stuff. But all these teams that are are

0:59:37.298 --> 0:59:39.178
<v Speaker 2>are at the you know, the top of the top,

0:59:39.658 --> 0:59:42.858
<v Speaker 2>that are scouting at the best you know, across the league,

0:59:43.338 --> 0:59:47.338
<v Speaker 2>they're all using this data. They're all using analytics. And

0:59:47.618 --> 0:59:50.458
<v Speaker 2>the example that I would give is like for us,

0:59:50.538 --> 0:59:53.018
<v Speaker 2>you know, we want to make good content, right, we

0:59:53.058 --> 0:59:54.858
<v Speaker 2>want to make content that we think is good. We

0:59:54.898 --> 0:59:57.538
<v Speaker 2>want to make content what we think is interesting to people.

0:59:58.378 --> 1:00:00.538
<v Speaker 3>But we also have to.

1:00:00.498 --> 1:00:05.738
<v Speaker 2>Answer to engagement clicks numbers, like that's just our business, right,

1:00:05.898 --> 1:00:09.618
<v Speaker 2>because that's the tangible evidence of what you're doing is working.

1:00:10.178 --> 1:00:13.498
<v Speaker 2>Is that type of thing that that's what analytics are

1:00:13.498 --> 1:00:15.938
<v Speaker 2>in football. You still want to the film's still king,

1:00:16.178 --> 1:00:18.898
<v Speaker 2>and you still want to make the pretty picture, but

1:00:19.218 --> 1:00:23.058
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to what's tangible evidence that we can

1:00:23.098 --> 1:00:25.458
<v Speaker 2>point to that this is successful and this is working,

1:00:26.058 --> 1:00:28.578
<v Speaker 2>that's where the analytics come into mind. And if they're

1:00:28.618 --> 1:00:30.738
<v Speaker 2>going to bring a lot of that analytics stuff to

1:00:30.778 --> 1:00:35.178
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots personnel in their scouting process, all the power, like,

1:00:35.338 --> 1:00:38.458
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you, Mike Rabel, please do that. And

1:00:38.458 --> 1:00:41.698
<v Speaker 2>hopefully he maybe he's poached some guys from Cleveland to

1:00:41.738 --> 1:00:42.538
<v Speaker 2>come do it for him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So, I mean, this is where probably everybody expects

1:00:44.858 --> 1:00:48.058
<v Speaker 4>me to go yell and scream about the math. I'll

1:00:48.098 --> 1:00:51.898
<v Speaker 4>say this one, and I always say, it's about the draft.

1:00:52.298 --> 1:00:56.218
<v Speaker 4>The Senior Bowl holds weight, especially for guys from smaller schools,

1:00:56.218 --> 1:01:00.218
<v Speaker 4>but like the combine should never outweigh what the player

1:01:00.298 --> 1:01:04.298
<v Speaker 4>did for four months from September to December, right right, Like,

1:01:04.578 --> 1:01:06.498
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day, you're drafting these guys.

1:01:06.498 --> 1:01:08.618
<v Speaker 4>You're hiring these guys to play football. What do they

1:01:08.618 --> 1:01:10.578
<v Speaker 4>look like as football players? So if a guy runs

1:01:10.618 --> 1:01:12.938
<v Speaker 4>bad forty this is what I kind of kept saying

1:01:12.978 --> 1:01:17.418
<v Speaker 4>about Cam Kitchens last year. It's not great, it factors

1:01:17.418 --> 1:01:20.858
<v Speaker 4>into my evaluation. But I saw that guy for twelve

1:01:20.898 --> 1:01:23.578
<v Speaker 4>games patrol the backs end of the defense for Miami,

1:01:23.818 --> 1:01:25.658
<v Speaker 4>and I know what he can do. I know how

1:01:25.658 --> 1:01:28.418
<v Speaker 4>he can cover ground on a football field. He had

1:01:28.458 --> 1:01:31.418
<v Speaker 4>a bad day, like he ran a bad forty, gets

1:01:31.418 --> 1:01:33.218
<v Speaker 4>one shot to prove how fast he is for his

1:01:33.338 --> 1:01:36.658
<v Speaker 4>entire career. I've always thought that's ridiculous. I do still

1:01:36.658 --> 1:01:39.498
<v Speaker 4>think there's value going to the combine because I think that,

1:01:39.618 --> 1:01:41.498
<v Speaker 4>and this is where the math kind of loses it.

1:01:42.698 --> 1:01:45.618
<v Speaker 4>How are guys operating in between the drills? How are

1:01:45.658 --> 1:01:48.298
<v Speaker 4>guys you know, interacting with each other? How are they

1:01:48.298 --> 1:01:51.178
<v Speaker 4>getting themselves ready immediately before the drill? How do they

1:01:51.178 --> 1:01:53.618
<v Speaker 4>react after the drill? Like I think you learn about

1:01:53.618 --> 1:01:56.458
<v Speaker 4>the person that way. I still think teams should go

1:01:56.498 --> 1:01:58.298
<v Speaker 4>to the combine. I still think there's value in that.

1:01:58.658 --> 1:02:00.658
<v Speaker 4>I think the rams are missing something there. What I

1:02:00.698 --> 1:02:02.378
<v Speaker 4>will say when it comes to analytics and where I

1:02:02.498 --> 1:02:08.058
<v Speaker 4>liked Rabel's answer, I've always said I like the tangible numbers, right,

1:02:08.338 --> 1:02:10.858
<v Speaker 4>I like the numbers that actually mean something. To find something,

1:02:10.858 --> 1:02:12.698
<v Speaker 4>you can point to me and say, there is that

1:02:12.938 --> 1:02:17.898
<v Speaker 4>in action. A guy running twenty miles an hour is relevant.

1:02:18.258 --> 1:02:21.458
<v Speaker 4>That is a tangible number. I am all on board

1:02:21.458 --> 1:02:24.058
<v Speaker 4>for that, and say, good way to crosscheck. Oh hey,

1:02:24.098 --> 1:02:28.338
<v Speaker 4>this guy ran a bad forty. Let's go look at

1:02:28.418 --> 1:02:30.858
<v Speaker 4>you know what he was doing with pad on in

1:02:30.898 --> 1:02:33.258
<v Speaker 4>the season and see if it reflects that. I think

1:02:33.298 --> 1:02:35.338
<v Speaker 4>the same is true on the flip side. Oh this

1:02:35.338 --> 1:02:38.698
<v Speaker 4>guy ran a great forty, but his numbers aren't as

1:02:38.738 --> 1:02:43.058
<v Speaker 4>good in games. So he's track speed, but he's not

1:02:43.138 --> 1:02:45.178
<v Speaker 4>really fast as a football player. I think kind of

1:02:45.178 --> 1:02:48.778
<v Speaker 4>what happened with Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, so that like player

1:02:48.818 --> 1:02:52.218
<v Speaker 4>tracking stuff, I'm all for. If they start using DVOA

1:02:52.338 --> 1:02:54.378
<v Speaker 4>and EPA and all that, now you've lost me. No,

1:02:54.378 --> 1:02:56.978
<v Speaker 4>now you've lost me, right or in all of that.

1:02:57.258 --> 1:02:59.018
<v Speaker 2>As much as I love all that kind of stuff,

1:02:59.098 --> 1:03:00.658
<v Speaker 2>NFL teams are not looking at that good.

1:03:01.538 --> 1:03:03.858
<v Speaker 4>But if you're just telling me, hey, we want to

1:03:03.938 --> 1:03:06.178
<v Speaker 4>actually see how fast this player ran on the field,

1:03:06.418 --> 1:03:09.738
<v Speaker 4>yeah right, Yeah, they should be using that data. Because

1:03:10.138 --> 1:03:13.178
<v Speaker 4>Bill Belichick could do that. There's many reasons Bill Belichick

1:03:13.258 --> 1:03:15.298
<v Speaker 4>was the greatest coach of all time, but he could

1:03:15.418 --> 1:03:17.258
<v Speaker 4>just one of them is I think he could just

1:03:17.298 --> 1:03:18.578
<v Speaker 4>look at the film and sort of just know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I've.

1:03:19.458 --> 1:03:21.658
<v Speaker 4>Always said that, Oh, Bill used the analytics.

1:03:22.018 --> 1:03:22.898
<v Speaker 3>I think a.

1:03:22.818 --> 1:03:24.778
<v Speaker 4>Lot of the stuff that people have to use analytics

1:03:24.778 --> 1:03:27.618
<v Speaker 4>to find out, we're just common sense for Bill. So

1:03:27.658 --> 1:03:29.858
<v Speaker 4>he might have been taking an analytical approach, but his

1:03:29.938 --> 1:03:31.658
<v Speaker 4>brain was just a freaking supercomputer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but he also used analytics more for like value

1:03:35.138 --> 1:03:38.258
<v Speaker 2>based stuff in terms of paying people, like free agents

1:03:38.258 --> 1:03:41.338
<v Speaker 2>and things like that. A lot of his analytics and

1:03:41.418 --> 1:03:44.858
<v Speaker 2>let him and already Adams put together besides the like

1:03:46.018 --> 1:03:50.058
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, charting plays and personnel groupings and formations

1:03:50.098 --> 1:03:53.258
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, that's like sort of a separate category.

1:03:53.778 --> 1:03:55.818
<v Speaker 2>But then you know, in terms of the actual data

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<v Speaker 2>side of it, they had models in terms of like

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<v Speaker 2>this is what we think this player is worth, right, Like, ye,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's worth ten, but he's getting twelve on the

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<v Speaker 2>open market, and like how close are we going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that?

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<v Speaker 3>That?

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<v Speaker 2>That's where they they didn't necessarily use like Zebra tech

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<v Speaker 2>and next gen and all that kind of right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, but I'm more so saying like who was I

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<v Speaker 4>wrote this a couple of years ago, Like Patriots draft

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<v Speaker 4>picks had bad combines. Brandon Spikes, Yeah, I had like

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<v Speaker 4>a really bad combine. But he's like one of the

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's like the worst testing linebacker that you're

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<v Speaker 4>across the board or he was it a couple of drills.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill looked at him and said, nope, I've seen it

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<v Speaker 4>on tape that I can play football. I'll take them.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's some nuts all, like, there's no whether

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<v Speaker 4>Bill Belichick. Everybody is to look at that now and

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<v Speaker 4>they need the data to help them figure it out.

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<v Speaker 4>So if they're going to be using like player acquisition

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<v Speaker 4>tracking data, I don't consider that analytics. To me, analytics

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<v Speaker 4>is like the Bill James moneyball stuff with war and

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<v Speaker 4>and these expected this and things like that EPOA tvo.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you're never gonna sell me on that. You will

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<v Speaker 4>never sell me on that. That's what I consider analytics.

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<v Speaker 4>Just looking at how fast a player runs because he's

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<v Speaker 4>a chip in his shoulder. I guess it is technically analytics,

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<v Speaker 4>but to me, it's like, no, that's just factfinding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like to call that like just player tracking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's player tracking, right, but it's obviously it's it's it's organized.

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<v Speaker 2>The data is organized by the analytics departments of these football.

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<v Speaker 4>I get, like, I guess on a technicality, it's all right,

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<v Speaker 4>So let.

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<v Speaker 3>Me say that. I don't we don't need to get

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<v Speaker 3>bogged out here.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's if it's analytics, it's analytics, YEP, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>the math. That is not what I would consider the math.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need to argue about the math of the seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundredth time of our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>But sounds good. I definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I just look at it as they have all this data,

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<v Speaker 2>they have all this stuff that's available to them that

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<v Speaker 2>they are openly, willingly choosing to ignore, and all these

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<v Speaker 2>other teams that are winning and are having success. And

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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, like, I'm not saying that Andy

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<v Speaker 2>Reid and Patrick Mahomes are successful because of analytics, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what I'm saying. But a lot of what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing in Kansas City is analytically driven in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of finding the fringe guys to help and supplement Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Mahomes and Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey Margins and Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Jones and right.

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<v Speaker 4>So what Rabel's all about, that's every it's used as

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<v Speaker 4>a dirty term, like, oh, Rabel, get ready to win

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<v Speaker 4>on the Margins. Yeah, all I heard is get ready

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<v Speaker 4>to win. I'm good with that. I don't really care,

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<v Speaker 4>how I really, I don't care if they win every

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<v Speaker 4>game by one or whenever, game by forty. If they

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<v Speaker 4>win every game. I'm happy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the last thing I want to talk about when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to this analytics thing was the conversation that's

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<v Speaker 2>going around Twitter. You got clipped, you got well, you

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<v Speaker 2>got one already. You know, you do seventeen different media

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<v Speaker 2>and things. You're about to get clipped and all the

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<v Speaker 2>all the nerds, you know, all my people, my brethren

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<v Speaker 2>are are piling on him a little bit because he

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<v Speaker 2>dropped the stat of like teams that rush at more

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<v Speaker 2>than forty times or one hundred and fifty five and

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<v Speaker 2>two or whatever, and that's causation correlation like whatever, nerd, okay, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I look at when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 2>run game, and this is where I think you misunderstand

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<v Speaker 2>me again. I'm not anti running the football. I'm anti

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<v Speaker 2>running back, but I'm not anti running the football. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna run the football, it's you're running with

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<v Speaker 2>a purpose, right, So I'm running for two things. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>running for explosives and I'm running to set up play action.

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<v Speaker 4>You need you have an explosive running back.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not one of the people that will

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<v Speaker 2>ever believe and we need to establish the run and

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<v Speaker 2>we need to set a tone and we need to

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<v Speaker 2>be the more physical team. Purpose no running with the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose to me is you're running to set up things.

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<v Speaker 2>You're running to hit bigger plays off of play action.

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<v Speaker 2>You are running to, you know, make explosives in the

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<v Speaker 2>run game on its own. You are running the football

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<v Speaker 2>late in games because you have a two score lead

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<v Speaker 2>and you're trying to milk clock. Like that is effective

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<v Speaker 2>efficient running. If you go into football games and you

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<v Speaker 2>think that if we run it forty times today, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to win. That that's that's antiquated, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at it backwards. So the good teams, because

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're gonna mention it, but the good teams

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<v Speaker 2>like Detroit, like Baltimore, like Philadelphia that are run first teams, ye,

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<v Speaker 2>are highly highly efficient.

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<v Speaker 4>Passing teams have efficient passing team.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why they're so efficient passing the ball, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is because a lot of what they do in the

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<v Speaker 2>past game branches off their run game. So that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the hand in hand goes together. I understand that he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got finger wagged for the stat that he dropped,

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<v Speaker 2>but I actually understood the bigger picture conversation that he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to have maybe we look at it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>slightly differently from there. But I'm not like totally anti

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<v Speaker 2>it what he said. I just hope that the point

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<v Speaker 2>of the run game for him should be to set

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<v Speaker 2>up the pass game and to and to close out games.

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<v Speaker 4>Why can't be to set up the fast pass game

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<v Speaker 4>and establish some sort of physicality.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the establishing the physicality is not gonna win you jack.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you, if you, if you come out early

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<v Speaker 4>and you run the ball and you put body blows

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<v Speaker 4>into that defensive front, it's gonna get a lot harder

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<v Speaker 4>for them to rush. The quarterback is based off of

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<v Speaker 4>what you're physically wearing them down.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no proofer evidence of that. There's no proofer evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that any of that has an effect on that. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what does have an effect is I said to him

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<v Speaker 2>that my favorite run was Power. Right, So you come

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<v Speaker 2>into the game and you run Power, and you pull

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<v Speaker 2>the guard through and you get them up on the

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<v Speaker 2>second level, and now all of a sudden, those linebackers

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<v Speaker 2>and those safeties have to respect the poll and now

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<v Speaker 2>you false pull them and then you hit the play

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<v Speaker 2>action behind it that's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't think it's a little bit harder to chase

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<v Speaker 4>Lamar Jackson around the backfield after Derek Henry just put

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<v Speaker 4>his shoulder in your chest to play or two before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it is like I've never I've never been there,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not gonna sit here and act like it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I've never been there. But you know, you see

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<v Speaker 4>how defensive line and react when team runs the ball

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<v Speaker 4>a couple times in a row, they look kind of gassed.

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<v Speaker 4>You only start getting little banged up. Maybe you have

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<v Speaker 4>team subbing, but now you're getting good players off the field,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think you can do And maybe that is

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<v Speaker 4>in a sense that is running to set up the pass,

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<v Speaker 4>So I guess it's not counter to you. But like

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<v Speaker 4>when I when I hear that stat, right, that what

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<v Speaker 4>is it? It's like if you throw more than forty

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<v Speaker 4>five times in a game quarterbacks when twenty percent of

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<v Speaker 4>the time outside Tom Brady, Yeah right, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>inverse that one fifty five and two when you run

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<v Speaker 4>X number of times. I think if you go into

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<v Speaker 4>a game planning to run the ball forty times, you're

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<v Speaker 4>kidding yourself. I think if you go into a game

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<v Speaker 4>outside of very very specific examples, right the win game

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<v Speaker 4>in Buffalo or twenty fourteen against Baltimore when they came

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<v Speaker 4>out in the second half, just like, we're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>run the ball. Right outside of very very specific matchup examples,

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<v Speaker 4>if you come into a game plan to plan to

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<v Speaker 4>throw the ball forty times, you're kidding yourself. If you

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<v Speaker 4>come into a game plan to run the ball forty times,

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<v Speaker 4>you're kidding yourself. The best offenses do both. The best

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<v Speaker 4>offenses are balanced. I don't think you can win in

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<v Speaker 4>this league, however good that one dimension is. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think it's possible to win in this league at a

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<v Speaker 4>high level as a one dimensional offense. There may be

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<v Speaker 4>games here or there. Maybe you realize after one quarter, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we can't run the ball in these guys. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have to throw out forty times. Or you go into

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<v Speaker 4>a game and you realize, hey, the conditions suck for throwing.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna have to run this thing the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>the way and get there. Like that might happen in

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<v Speaker 4>moments as in game adjustments, But if you go into

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<v Speaker 4>a game planning to be so heavy one way or

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<v Speaker 4>so heavy the other, you go into a season planning

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<v Speaker 4>to be so heavy one way or so heavy the other.

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<v Speaker 4>You're kidding yourself. It's not gonna work ideally, Like you'd

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<v Speaker 4>love to end every game running the football five ten

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<v Speaker 4>times in a row, because it means you're up a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of scores. You're trying to run the clock out.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you end up running the ball forty times,

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<v Speaker 4>like it might happen, or maybe you're.

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<v Speaker 2>You you have to make this comebacking right, like you run.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the reason why teams have such a great record

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<v Speaker 2>and they run it forty times is because they're winning

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're nuts, if you don't think Mike Rabeil understands that. No,

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<v Speaker 4>I think I know not. The people on the internet

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<v Speaker 4>think he doesn't understand it, and those people.

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<v Speaker 2>Are fell into like a little coach speaking it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that big.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, those those people claim to know football, but

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<v Speaker 4>their noses too deep in Microsoft Excel. My point being,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my god, I.

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<v Speaker 3>When you sit there and you say these things, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just the self aware you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know exactly what I'm talking I know you what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, but you're saying it like somebody that that

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<v Speaker 2>like is you do not use microsoftself what like you're

1:12:25.098 --> 1:12:28.058
<v Speaker 2>saying it like you're Dan Campbell, Like you have to

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<v Speaker 2>realize there.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't use Microsoft. I think I can talk about not

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<v Speaker 4>using Microsoft Excel. I think that's perfectly fair.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 4>The point being what I got from that from Rabel

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<v Speaker 4>was there not gonna be a one dimensional offense. I agreed,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's good because I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>wanted them to be a one dimensional offense. I think

1:12:46.018 --> 1:12:47.977
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people wanted them to be We're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>come out and Drake may is gonna throw it all

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<v Speaker 4>over the yard and our runs are either gonna be

1:12:51.258 --> 1:12:54.017
<v Speaker 4>designed quarterback runs or him scrambling, and that's not what

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<v Speaker 4>it's gonna be. There is still gonna be a place

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<v Speaker 4>for running the football, traditionally running the football. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be a I don't know significance the right word, but

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<v Speaker 4>like a major part of the offense. It'll be as

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<v Speaker 4>much a part of the offense as throwing the football.

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<v Speaker 4>Good good. I don't want to see them become one dimensional.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's how you fail. You can't be one dimensional

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<v Speaker 4>in the modern and the same thing applies to defensively too.

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<v Speaker 4>But like you can't be one dimensional in the modern NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just if you're gonna be a run first team,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna be like the Detroit Lions, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Baltimore Ravens, like the Philadelphia Eagles, and you're truly gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a run first football team, you have to when

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<v Speaker 2>you do pass, you have to be damn good at passing.

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<v Speaker 4>And what did Mike Crabiles say, we have to be

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<v Speaker 4>in effective passing team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's just that's it, right, Like if you

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<v Speaker 2>the dude, the Lions are twenty seventh in the league

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<v Speaker 2>and early down pass rate, Yeah, twenty seven. They run

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<v Speaker 2>the ball a ton work, they run the ball a

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<v Speaker 2>ton but they're such a good passing game when they

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<v Speaker 2>have to go to their passing game. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>both agree with the same philosophy. You pass the score,

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<v Speaker 2>you run to win, right, And if the Patriots still

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<v Speaker 2>adhere to that and they get to forty carries because

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<v Speaker 2>they're up a score or two late in the game

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<v Speaker 2>and they're just you know, running it, running it, running

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<v Speaker 2>it to milk the clock and close out games, great,

1:14:09.258 --> 1:14:11.018
<v Speaker 2>Like that's exactly where you want to be as a

1:14:11.058 --> 1:14:13.178
<v Speaker 2>team if you think that you're gonna get to that

1:14:13.298 --> 1:14:15.617
<v Speaker 2>point where you're running clock late in games because you

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<v Speaker 2>have a lead.

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<v Speaker 3>By running the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball and setting the tone and establishing a run and

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<v Speaker 2>being more physical and all that kind of stuff, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be four and thirteen, You're gonna be this the

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<v Speaker 2>Patriots of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's more to the physicality element than you're

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<v Speaker 4>litting on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we disagree on that part.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know football is a physical game.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that's a hot take.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's but like, why does the physicality of

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<v Speaker 2>the game only pertain to running the football?

1:14:39.737 --> 1:14:42.657
<v Speaker 4>Running because it's run. Stopping the run is a much

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<v Speaker 4>more physically demanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Task for the front passive I would say pass blocking

1:14:48.098 --> 1:14:50.017
<v Speaker 2>is is also physical, like you're passing.

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<v Speaker 3>Pass blocking is not passive, like you gotta go.

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<v Speaker 4>Pass blocking is not That's not what I said. I

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<v Speaker 4>said Stopping a run is much more physically demanding for

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<v Speaker 4>the defensive front. Is the offense You're trying to wear

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<v Speaker 4>out the defensive front, And to your point.

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<v Speaker 2>You think that it's but like, isn't it physically demanding

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<v Speaker 2>in a different way? Like isn't chasing around the quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>or trying to get off the ball and get around

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<v Speaker 2>the edge.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's just it's just more like exclusively.

1:15:14.418 --> 1:15:17.817
<v Speaker 4>You're not taking like the physical body blows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you see all the time, like you see

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<v Speaker 2>pass rushers like wear out as games wear on because

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<v Speaker 2>they are have been trying to.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's more of a gradual thing. Whereas like

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<v Speaker 4>if you if you really punch the other team the

1:15:29.138 --> 1:15:31.458
<v Speaker 4>mouth up front for the you look at the thirteen

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<v Speaker 4>play all run drive from the Ravens, right, those guys

1:15:34.617 --> 1:15:37.017
<v Speaker 4>about eight plays in that Steelers defense was tapped out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but how about you know, like if you got

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<v Speaker 2>a receiver like AJ Brown or a receiver you know

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Goddard on Sunday when he's stiff arm and dudes

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<v Speaker 2>like that's also physically hard, like to tackle guys in

1:15:49.497 --> 1:15:52.377
<v Speaker 2>the secondary now it's all physically tough, like it's Sot's

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<v Speaker 2>right exactly. So why does it just apply to the

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<v Speaker 2>run game, Like why is it just hard to stop

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<v Speaker 2>the run.

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<v Speaker 4>Because if you because if you run the ball a

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<v Speaker 4>few times, now, those guys are gassed more so than

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<v Speaker 4>I think in the past game, especially early on. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not talking about yes, if you throw the ball

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch. The pass rushers get worn out in the

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<v Speaker 4>fourth quarter. That's what happened twenty eight three. You run

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<v Speaker 4>the ball a couple of times early on. Now those

1:16:14.218 --> 1:16:17.458
<v Speaker 4>those defenders are gassed. It sets It's part of setting

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<v Speaker 4>up the pass. Like to your point, it's part of

1:16:19.497 --> 1:16:22.298
<v Speaker 4>how the run game sets up the pass. Like these

1:16:22.338 --> 1:16:24.218
<v Speaker 4>guys are now because they're they're trying to tackle, they're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to fight through double teams. They're trying, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they get knocked on their ass.

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<v Speaker 3>Things like a really good way to keep the score down.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care if they win thirteen to six.

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<v Speaker 2>If they win, I mean you have to care about

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<v Speaker 2>that because they have to be able to play a

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<v Speaker 2>different way.

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<v Speaker 3>Your last year without.

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<v Speaker 4>Scoring, did I not just say you cannot be one dimensioned?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you have to be in this league. You

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<v Speaker 3>are going to have to outscore people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if they're going to try to win game seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>to fourteen, that is a problem. They can't win that way.

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<v Speaker 2>They basically have tried to win that I'm saying. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying come out run the ball forty times.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying. You should not do. You should

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<v Speaker 4>not plan going into the game if you end up

1:16:57.298 --> 1:16:58.338
<v Speaker 4>running it forty you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing by running the ball early on in games is

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<v Speaker 2>shortening the game, that's all you're doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know that's something that I'm actually big on personally.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and that's the problem. They've been trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>that for three straight years.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, a good team. Shortening the team is good. Shortening

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<v Speaker 4>the game is good. But I there's something to be

1:17:15.058 --> 1:17:18.058
<v Speaker 4>said about establishing the physicality, setting a tone, getting in

1:17:18.098 --> 1:17:19.857
<v Speaker 4>a rhythm. We hear Lineman talk about that all the

1:17:19.897 --> 1:17:21.657
<v Speaker 4>time too, Right, getting in a rhythm. You hit a

1:17:21.657 --> 1:17:23.418
<v Speaker 4>couple of big runs, you hit a couple solid runs.

1:17:23.458 --> 1:17:25.857
<v Speaker 4>Now the line's feeling it now in the defense is

1:17:25.897 --> 1:17:28.497
<v Speaker 4>kind of back on their heels. And again it's that mentality.

1:17:28.697 --> 1:17:30.218
<v Speaker 4>Now when you want to throw the ball, you have

1:17:30.298 --> 1:17:33.217
<v Speaker 4>a established that advantage up front, and maybe that buys

1:17:33.258 --> 1:17:34.977
<v Speaker 4>you more time in the past game or it gets

1:17:34.978 --> 1:17:37.137
<v Speaker 4>guys cheating a little more on play action or things

1:17:37.178 --> 1:17:39.497
<v Speaker 4>like that. This is you say you want to run

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<v Speaker 4>to set up the pass, right, Yes, what does that

1:17:42.218 --> 1:17:44.178
<v Speaker 4>look like? What is that's not just doing it to

1:17:44.218 --> 1:17:47.138
<v Speaker 4>do it? There's something that actually happens. Sure to set

1:17:47.218 --> 1:17:48.777
<v Speaker 4>up the pass but that's what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think it's not a volume thing to me, right,

1:17:52.497 --> 1:17:54.737
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a looks thing to me. It's I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about volume, but you are, though, because if you're

1:17:57.418 --> 1:17:59.817
<v Speaker 2>talking about shortening games and things like that, you're talking

1:17:59.817 --> 1:18:00.418
<v Speaker 2>about volvan.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about like in your in your opening ten playscript, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>have three or four good, punch them in the mouth

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<v Speaker 4>runs in there. That's what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But that's different than saying we need to establish

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<v Speaker 2>the run. I think that's establishing the run by having

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<v Speaker 2>three or four runs in a twenty playscript.

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<v Speaker 4>If I said ten plays and if you hit them, well,

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<v Speaker 4>if you execute them, well yeah you can. I think

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<v Speaker 4>if you watch the playoff games last weekend, a couple

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<v Speaker 4>big plays early, not even.

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<v Speaker 2>Like explosive, but just like But I would argue in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those playoff games, especially Buffalo, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're.

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<v Speaker 4>Buffalo's is so much more talented than Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but they it took them until the second half

1:18:40.817 --> 1:18:43.057
<v Speaker 2>to start to blow out Denver because of how they

1:18:43.058 --> 1:18:45.137
<v Speaker 2>are playing in the first half. Like the I think

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<v Speaker 2>I would say a lot of those games were closer

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<v Speaker 2>than they should have been, Like I think Philly Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay was closer.

1:18:50.777 --> 1:18:52.937
<v Speaker 4>I think Buffalo was just rusty because they didn't play

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<v Speaker 4>last week essentially, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was I think Buffalo ran way too

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<v Speaker 2>much in the first half of that game.

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<v Speaker 4>I well, what's not to say that them running the

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<v Speaker 4>ball in the first half is would allow them to

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<v Speaker 4>pull away because they ran out. They ran out to Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like again, there's just no there's no tangible evidence,

1:19:08.657 --> 1:19:13.497
<v Speaker 2>there's no But it's the sport because you're just saying that,

1:19:13.577 --> 1:19:16.657
<v Speaker 2>like that's like you're you're you're saying that. That's like

1:19:16.697 --> 1:19:19.138
<v Speaker 2>your your gut thing just says that that's true. Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's so if they if Buffalo had come out in

1:19:21.577 --> 1:19:24.057
<v Speaker 2>that game, like Denver could not score with you think

1:19:24.218 --> 1:19:26.777
<v Speaker 2>Denver could not score with Bufffo. So if you just

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<v Speaker 2>came out of that game and you threw the ball

1:19:29.577 --> 1:19:31.857
<v Speaker 2>like it did when the Patriots went down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to Buffalo in twenty twenty one, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Also think that they were rusty. I also just think

1:19:36.258 --> 1:19:40.857
<v Speaker 4>that Buffalo is rusty. But like you looked at look

1:19:40.897 --> 1:19:43.897
<v Speaker 4>at the body language right after that thirteen play drive

1:19:43.937 --> 1:19:47.577
<v Speaker 4>by the Ravens. The Steelers never mentally recovered from that,

1:19:48.817 --> 1:19:51.338
<v Speaker 4>and I think it's because they're getting pushed around. And

1:19:51.378 --> 1:19:54.458
<v Speaker 4>when you get knocked around a couple of times, you

1:19:54.537 --> 1:19:56.418
<v Speaker 4>can't it's gonna be hard to come back up with

1:19:56.458 --> 1:19:58.937
<v Speaker 4>that same little confidence. On the flip side, if you're

1:19:58.937 --> 1:20:01.737
<v Speaker 4>an offensive lineman, you just knock these guys around three

1:20:01.817 --> 1:20:03.697
<v Speaker 4>or four times in the first ten places, you're gonna

1:20:03.697 --> 1:20:05.497
<v Speaker 4>be look at each other like, oh, we're feeling it today.

1:20:05.737 --> 1:20:08.017
<v Speaker 4>Here we go. It's it's it's mental. It's mental as

1:20:08.098 --> 1:20:10.137
<v Speaker 4>much as it is physical. But there is that physical

1:20:10.178 --> 1:20:12.418
<v Speaker 4>demandingness that comes with I don't think that's that crazy

1:20:12.458 --> 1:20:12.817
<v Speaker 4>of take.

1:20:12.978 --> 1:20:15.458
<v Speaker 3>It's not. It's a it's an antiquated to take, it's

1:20:15.497 --> 1:20:15.937
<v Speaker 3>not crazy.

1:20:16.018 --> 1:20:18.298
<v Speaker 4>How how often do we talk about, oh, the offensive

1:20:18.298 --> 1:20:21.737
<v Speaker 4>line is feeling it right there? The offense lines going.

1:20:21.657 --> 1:20:22.897
<v Speaker 3>Out having success.

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<v Speaker 4>So now I can't give you a math number exactly game.

1:20:27.298 --> 1:20:29.218
<v Speaker 4>This game has been played for a long time. And

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<v Speaker 4>when you look at teams start to run the football early.

1:20:31.777 --> 1:20:33.737
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not talking about calling eight runs on your

1:20:33.737 --> 1:20:35.937
<v Speaker 4>first ten plays. I'm talking about when you get.

1:20:35.777 --> 1:20:37.537
<v Speaker 3>An offensive want to get them fired up.

1:20:37.577 --> 1:20:40.497
<v Speaker 4>When you talk when you get an offensive line going early, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that generally kind of carries through.

1:20:43.338 --> 1:20:44.697
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So what a better way?

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<v Speaker 4>A better way to get an offensive line going there

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<v Speaker 4>running early, That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>England Patriots. Let's get to the phones. I know you

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<v Speaker 2>guys have been waiting. I appreciate it. Patty is an

1:21:45.497 --> 1:21:46.298
<v Speaker 2>agu on what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Patty?

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<v Speaker 4>Up? Jen?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 6>Doing all right? So I got kind of a convoluted question,

1:21:54.058 --> 1:21:59.857
<v Speaker 6>but there with me. So, if indeed Josh McDaniel is

1:21:59.897 --> 1:22:03.258
<v Speaker 6>the the next stuffensive coordinator, can you kind of see

1:22:03.338 --> 1:22:07.497
<v Speaker 6>them sticking to some of the gap runs. And the

1:22:07.537 --> 1:22:11.817
<v Speaker 6>reason why I asked is my favorite tackle coming out

1:22:11.857 --> 1:22:15.617
<v Speaker 6>this year is actually Josh Connerly hevn't. I can't wait

1:22:15.657 --> 1:22:19.537
<v Speaker 6>for you to watch them on this guy. He's but

1:22:19.657 --> 1:22:22.017
<v Speaker 6>to me, like I think he's more in depth to

1:22:22.018 --> 1:22:24.937
<v Speaker 6>play in that zone style, whereas like Banks might be

1:22:24.978 --> 1:22:29.058
<v Speaker 6>able to you know, bridge both styles, because you know,

1:22:29.098 --> 1:22:31.617
<v Speaker 6>he's he's kind of a a monster, you know. But

1:22:31.857 --> 1:22:35.657
<v Speaker 6>h Connor is a really good athlete. And from everything

1:22:35.697 --> 1:22:38.017
<v Speaker 6>that I've heard, like he's twenty he just turned twenty

1:22:38.018 --> 1:22:40.577
<v Speaker 6>one years old. They don't think that he's hit his

1:22:40.657 --> 1:22:43.138
<v Speaker 6>physical well, he hasn't hit his physical peak yet, but

1:22:43.178 --> 1:22:46.777
<v Speaker 6>he's he's only been playing on the line for a

1:22:46.817 --> 1:22:49.418
<v Speaker 6>few years because he was a running back in basketball player.

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<v Speaker 6>So I just want to know, like if if they

1:22:54.018 --> 1:22:56.378
<v Speaker 6>don't run any of those gaps teams, could you see

1:22:56.458 --> 1:22:59.817
<v Speaker 6>him as a fit in the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, day, thanks for the call, Patty, So thanks. In

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<v Speaker 2>terms of Connorly, I have watched Connory. Yeah, I've seen

1:23:06.978 --> 1:23:10.418
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of Connorly from the championship game, which

1:23:10.458 --> 1:23:12.857
<v Speaker 2>was a Big Ten championship. What freaking conference is Oregon?

1:23:12.897 --> 1:23:15.218
<v Speaker 2>And at this point Big ten championship game?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh now, let me I should I guess I should

1:23:17.497 --> 1:23:20.378
<v Speaker 4>check an update the way things are going right this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a very athletic guy, very toolsy, you know, still young,

1:23:25.497 --> 1:23:28.458
<v Speaker 2>still raw. Like Patty talked about, not probably not you know,

1:23:28.458 --> 1:23:30.258
<v Speaker 2>a traditional gap run to.

1:23:30.857 --> 1:23:33.058
<v Speaker 3>He is more of like a high level pass a

1:23:33.058 --> 1:23:33.817
<v Speaker 3>little more at.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit more athletic, but that's what you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for on the blind side with me, with Connorley just

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<v Speaker 2>starting there, I just I wonder how hw his ceiling

1:23:42.857 --> 1:23:44.497
<v Speaker 2>is in terms of where he goes in the draft,

1:23:44.617 --> 1:23:47.258
<v Speaker 2>Like with a draft that has some question marks with

1:23:47.298 --> 1:23:50.617
<v Speaker 2>certain tackles and you know, are they guards or whatever.

1:23:51.978 --> 1:23:53.537
<v Speaker 3>He could go high, like he could.

1:23:53.338 --> 1:23:56.777
<v Speaker 2>Be somebody that sneaks up into the late team's early twenties.

1:23:56.817 --> 1:23:59.258
<v Speaker 2>I would say just based off the fact that he's

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<v Speaker 2>got all the trades, he's got some good film against

1:24:01.817 --> 1:24:05.057
<v Speaker 2>some good competition, you know, late in the season for Oregon.

1:24:05.617 --> 1:24:08.097
<v Speaker 2>So I just worry about is he going to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of be in that no man's land for the Patriots

1:24:10.218 --> 1:24:12.737
<v Speaker 2>who have four and thirty eight? Like, how do you

1:24:12.777 --> 1:24:15.497
<v Speaker 2>bridge the gap if he goes twenty, Like, you're not,

1:24:15.937 --> 1:24:17.338
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna be in the range for him.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's where trading down comes in will be interesting

1:24:19.497 --> 1:24:22.058
<v Speaker 4>him Arianta Urseres another guy like who are kind of

1:24:22.058 --> 1:24:25.178
<v Speaker 4>in that same range. Good player, good player, But yeah,

1:24:25.178 --> 1:24:26.697
<v Speaker 4>it's going to kind of be about where where do

1:24:26.737 --> 1:24:31.897
<v Speaker 4>they land him. I still am and the camp of

1:24:31.897 --> 1:24:34.617
<v Speaker 4>trade down especially. I don't know if you saw Dane

1:24:34.617 --> 1:24:37.977
<v Speaker 4>Burglar's mock draft today, Yes, I said the son I

1:24:38.058 --> 1:24:40.178
<v Speaker 4>like to. I do too. I didn't love it for

1:24:40.178 --> 1:24:41.977
<v Speaker 4>the Patriots. That's not actually the point I wanted to make.

1:24:42.737 --> 1:24:45.138
<v Speaker 4>I said this the other night on Twitter, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's something we're gonna need to talk about quite

1:24:46.978 --> 1:24:50.017
<v Speaker 4>a bit. His top three were cam Ward I think

1:24:50.058 --> 1:24:52.097
<v Speaker 4>this is in ORR if I have it correctly, cam Ward,

1:24:52.218 --> 1:24:57.017
<v Speaker 4>Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter. So like, I don't think

1:24:57.058 --> 1:25:00.418
<v Speaker 4>the conversation is is Abdull Carter the best player on

1:25:00.458 --> 1:25:03.177
<v Speaker 4>the Is Abdull Carter the right player for the Patriots

1:25:03.178 --> 1:25:04.937
<v Speaker 4>at four? I think the real question is Abdual Carter

1:25:05.018 --> 1:25:07.298
<v Speaker 4>going to be on the board at four for the Patriots?

1:25:07.697 --> 1:25:09.258
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I asked that and a lot of

1:25:09.258 --> 1:25:12.897
<v Speaker 4>people said, well, you draft Travis Hunter. I don't think.

1:25:13.058 --> 1:25:13.497
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

1:25:13.577 --> 1:25:15.218
<v Speaker 4>I think that there's a chance that you only have

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<v Speaker 4>one quarterback go in in the top three, and it's

1:25:18.218 --> 1:25:20.298
<v Speaker 4>Carter and Hunter with him. So now those two guys

1:25:20.338 --> 1:25:22.217
<v Speaker 4>are off the board. So now what do you do?

1:25:22.218 --> 1:25:23.897
<v Speaker 4>Do you take Teed McMillan at four? Do you take

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<v Speaker 4>Kelvin Bankster, Will Campbell at four? Do you take Mason Graham?

1:25:27.817 --> 1:25:29.937
<v Speaker 4>I still think moving down makes the most sense, and

1:25:29.978 --> 1:25:32.218
<v Speaker 4>maybe that's you move the bridge the gap. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>move from four to six? Out of know Evan, you

1:25:34.258 --> 1:25:35.897
<v Speaker 4>tell me if this is an overpay by the Raiders,

1:25:36.338 --> 1:25:38.137
<v Speaker 4>do you move from four to six and then get

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<v Speaker 4>thirty seven? And that's the whole trade and you don't

1:25:40.937 --> 1:25:42.657
<v Speaker 4>get in the future first, which would kind of suck,

1:25:42.817 --> 1:25:44.058
<v Speaker 4>But you don't have a ton of leverage in a

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<v Speaker 4>two quarterback draft, But now you have thirty seven and

1:25:46.657 --> 1:25:48.418
<v Speaker 4>thirty eight in the second round, and you can do

1:25:48.458 --> 1:25:51.458
<v Speaker 4>a lot with that, and you could package those two

1:25:51.497 --> 1:25:54.378
<v Speaker 4>and probably get back up into the top twenty right

1:25:54.418 --> 1:25:56.657
<v Speaker 4>around twenty. So it let's call twenty two to be

1:25:56.897 --> 1:26:00.977
<v Speaker 4>just to split the difference. Would you rather pick and

1:26:00.978 --> 1:26:02.298
<v Speaker 4>if you don't think it's a fair if you don't

1:26:02.298 --> 1:26:03.977
<v Speaker 4>think the Raiders would do it, feel free to say that.

1:26:04.018 --> 1:26:06.817
<v Speaker 4>But would you rather pick at four and thirty eight

1:26:08.018 --> 1:26:10.258
<v Speaker 4>where you still maybe have a chance at Carter, or

1:26:10.817 --> 1:26:12.138
<v Speaker 4>now you have no chance at Carter, but you're now

1:26:12.138 --> 1:26:14.418
<v Speaker 4>picking at like six in twenty two?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if the Raiders would do that.

1:26:17.857 --> 1:26:19.577
<v Speaker 3>I think it would. It would, Matt.

1:26:19.657 --> 1:26:21.657
<v Speaker 2>You know, you tell me that these quarterbacks are gonna

1:26:21.657 --> 1:26:23.418
<v Speaker 2>go higher than I think. So I guess if the

1:26:23.537 --> 1:26:26.098
<v Speaker 2>Raiders are worried that somebody from behind them is going

1:26:26.138 --> 1:26:28.737
<v Speaker 2>to jump them for Sir Door Sanders, and they want

1:26:28.777 --> 1:26:31.577
<v Speaker 2>to make sure they have them sign sealed delivered by

1:26:31.617 --> 1:26:33.777
<v Speaker 2>moving up the four, like I could see a trade

1:26:33.817 --> 1:26:38.218
<v Speaker 2>like that happening. I would probably rather pick twice in

1:26:38.258 --> 1:26:41.737
<v Speaker 2>the first round in this type of class. I feel like,

1:26:41.737 --> 1:26:45.058
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be some guys at in the twenties in

1:26:45.098 --> 1:26:49.497
<v Speaker 2>this draft that are going to be really interesting players

1:26:49.497 --> 1:26:54.577
<v Speaker 2>that probably aren't shore fire, blue chip and top of

1:26:54.577 --> 1:26:57.378
<v Speaker 2>the line prospects, but have those types of traits like

1:26:58.258 --> 1:27:01.378
<v Speaker 2>Connory Josh Simmons, who I know you're luke warmon, but

1:27:01.418 --> 1:27:03.537
<v Speaker 2>if he's your second pick in the draft and other

1:27:03.577 --> 1:27:06.857
<v Speaker 2>things happen in free agency, some of the receivers you know,

1:27:06.897 --> 1:27:10.497
<v Speaker 2>a Mecca Abuka, Matthew Gold and Luther Burden, like those

1:27:10.537 --> 1:27:12.458
<v Speaker 2>types of guys. I don't think those guys are top

1:27:12.537 --> 1:27:16.458
<v Speaker 2>ten players in a draft, but you pick you know,

1:27:16.777 --> 1:27:19.737
<v Speaker 2>Luther Burden at twenty two, like that makes sense. You know,

1:27:19.817 --> 1:27:22.977
<v Speaker 2>that's right where the Ze Flowers JSN group went a

1:27:22.978 --> 1:27:25.737
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago that I can get on board with.

1:27:26.218 --> 1:27:27.737
<v Speaker 3>And I do think that that helps you a lot.

1:27:27.777 --> 1:27:29.817
<v Speaker 2>Whereas when you wait all the way to thirty eight

1:27:30.537 --> 1:27:32.458
<v Speaker 2>to make your second pick in this draft, I think

1:27:32.497 --> 1:27:34.617
<v Speaker 2>there's a pretty significant drop off because it's not a

1:27:34.657 --> 1:27:38.697
<v Speaker 2>great top of the draft. The drop off there comes quick,

1:27:38.857 --> 1:27:40.697
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's gonna come hard for a lot

1:27:40.697 --> 1:27:42.817
<v Speaker 2>of teams. So if you're really looking for a guy

1:27:42.857 --> 1:27:45.897
<v Speaker 2>that can make a day one impact, you're probably gonna

1:27:45.937 --> 1:27:47.817
<v Speaker 2>have to move up from thirty eight to get that.

1:27:47.697 --> 1:27:51.217
<v Speaker 4>Sh So moving down from four to then move up, Yeah,

1:27:51.298 --> 1:27:54.378
<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't think especially if Carter's not there

1:27:54.418 --> 1:27:56.897
<v Speaker 4>at four, if Carter and Hunter are not there at

1:27:56.897 --> 1:28:00.257
<v Speaker 4>for I don't know that you like, are Will Campbell

1:28:00.258 --> 1:28:03.777
<v Speaker 4>and Calvin Bank's going, Well, they're not going like four

1:28:03.817 --> 1:28:06.378
<v Speaker 4>your trading for quarterbacks, So you're gonna lose one guy

1:28:06.418 --> 1:28:08.218
<v Speaker 4>at five. Now you're on the board at six. Now

1:28:08.258 --> 1:28:12.418
<v Speaker 4>you're in great shape. So I still think trading back

1:28:12.497 --> 1:28:13.258
<v Speaker 4>makes the most sense.

1:28:13.497 --> 1:28:18.777
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to the gap scheme question, if they hire.

1:28:18.657 --> 1:28:21.218
<v Speaker 3>McDaniels, they're gonna run gap. Yeah, like that that that's

1:28:21.258 --> 1:28:22.097
<v Speaker 3>always what he's done.

1:28:22.138 --> 1:28:24.817
<v Speaker 2>That's always you know, outside zones obviously in his playbook

1:28:24.817 --> 1:28:28.538
<v Speaker 2>and it's in his arsenal. But if they hire McDaniels

1:28:28.817 --> 1:28:31.617
<v Speaker 2>in McDaniel's playbook, yeah, well that's Daniels' playbook. Is that,

1:28:31.657 --> 1:28:35.217
<v Speaker 2>it's literally everything. If they're gonna hire McDaniels, they're gonna

1:28:35.258 --> 1:28:38.057
<v Speaker 2>run Downhill at teams, they're gonna run Gap, they're gonna

1:28:38.098 --> 1:28:40.857
<v Speaker 2>run Power, they're gonna run Counter, they're gonna run Iso,

1:28:40.897 --> 1:28:43.937
<v Speaker 2>you know, lead full back dive, whatever you wanna call it.

1:28:43.978 --> 1:28:47.097
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna run. Uh, They're gonna run all that type

1:28:47.098 --> 1:28:48.458
<v Speaker 2>of stuff. They're gonna get downhill.

1:28:48.857 --> 1:28:48.977
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:28:49.098 --> 1:28:51.097
<v Speaker 2>If they go with one of these West Coast guys,

1:28:51.098 --> 1:28:53.418
<v Speaker 2>and they're probably gonna stick to what Rabel did in

1:28:53.458 --> 1:28:56.497
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee and run some outside zone and be a wide

1:28:56.577 --> 1:28:59.258
<v Speaker 2>zone team, which is okay too. Like it doesn't it

1:28:59.298 --> 1:29:03.297
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter now, assuming that you know it's not college.

1:29:03.298 --> 1:29:05.217
<v Speaker 2>It's not They're not going in the portal and turning

1:29:05.218 --> 1:29:08.178
<v Speaker 2>over the entire roster most likely, So assuming that they

1:29:08.178 --> 1:29:11.617
<v Speaker 2>still have some of the same pieces, I do still

1:29:11.617 --> 1:29:15.258
<v Speaker 2>believe that their personnel fits a gap scheme better. Like

1:29:15.298 --> 1:29:17.937
<v Speaker 2>I still would rather see Mike on Wentu in a

1:29:17.978 --> 1:29:21.178
<v Speaker 2>gap scheme. I still would rather see Leyden Robinson if

1:29:21.218 --> 1:29:23.537
<v Speaker 2>he's a guy that has potential to start down the line,

1:29:23.617 --> 1:29:26.297
<v Speaker 2>Cayden Wallace if he has potential to start down the line.

1:29:26.378 --> 1:29:29.617
<v Speaker 2>I would still rather see those guys in a gap scheme.

1:29:30.138 --> 1:29:32.057
<v Speaker 2>So I like the idea of that better. But if

1:29:32.058 --> 1:29:34.817
<v Speaker 2>you're telling me that they're going to completely retool the

1:29:34.937 --> 1:29:37.338
<v Speaker 2>entire offensive line and get more athletic and get leaner

1:29:37.378 --> 1:29:39.458
<v Speaker 2>and get all that type of stuff, then okay, then

1:29:39.458 --> 1:29:41.737
<v Speaker 2>you can go back to the zone scheme. But in

1:29:41.777 --> 1:29:43.737
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee they had to do that. You know, they the

1:29:43.817 --> 1:29:46.017
<v Speaker 2>floor kind of started it, Arthur Smith kind of finished

1:29:46.018 --> 1:29:49.577
<v Speaker 2>it off. They they changed how they evaluated the line,

1:29:49.697 --> 1:29:54.137
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't draft big three hundred and fifty pound guards,

1:29:54.497 --> 1:29:57.697
<v Speaker 2>you know, so that that's a whole philosophical shift. They

1:29:57.697 --> 1:29:59.577
<v Speaker 2>could get there. You know, it's possible that you could

1:29:59.577 --> 1:30:00.618
<v Speaker 2>get there, but that.

1:30:00.418 --> 1:30:01.097
<v Speaker 3>Would take time.

1:30:01.178 --> 1:30:03.378
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's more than one off season, I would

1:30:03.378 --> 1:30:05.817
<v Speaker 2>think to make that sort of thing happen. All right,

1:30:06.537 --> 1:30:08.578
<v Speaker 2>Cole is in Minnesota.

1:30:08.617 --> 1:30:13.057
<v Speaker 3>What's up, Coley? I were doing? Cole.

1:30:14.537 --> 1:30:14.737
<v Speaker 5>Hey.

1:30:15.657 --> 1:30:18.977
<v Speaker 7>So I'm pretty excited about the rabel hire obviously, just

1:30:18.978 --> 1:30:23.257
<v Speaker 7>like everybody else. And I kind of agree with Evan obviously.

1:30:23.338 --> 1:30:23.857
<v Speaker 2>I think.

1:30:25.338 --> 1:30:30.338
<v Speaker 7>As far as an experienced offensive coordinator goes, Josh McDaniels

1:30:30.817 --> 1:30:35.178
<v Speaker 7>pretty easy pick. It feels like the only thing I'm

1:30:35.178 --> 1:30:38.577
<v Speaker 7>worried about. Like, even with Bill at the height of

1:30:38.617 --> 1:30:41.737
<v Speaker 7>the Patriots, you know, he still had guys around him

1:30:41.737 --> 1:30:47.697
<v Speaker 7>that weren't necessarily yes man Ernie Adams who could at

1:30:47.777 --> 1:30:50.617
<v Speaker 7>least butt heads with him and challenge his way of thinking.

1:30:51.418 --> 1:30:55.458
<v Speaker 7>So I'm just hoping that you know, obviously Rabel's a

1:30:55.497 --> 1:30:59.058
<v Speaker 7>pretty strongly opinionated guy. You know, he's passionate, you know,

1:30:59.098 --> 1:31:01.057
<v Speaker 7>so I feel like it's important to find a guy

1:31:01.098 --> 1:31:03.617
<v Speaker 7>that you know, doesn't have to soft skin, just isn't

1:31:03.657 --> 1:31:06.577
<v Speaker 7>gonna do be a yes man and can challenge his

1:31:06.617 --> 1:31:07.617
<v Speaker 7>way of thinking as well.

1:31:09.577 --> 1:31:11.418
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a it's a good question.

1:31:11.458 --> 1:31:15.178
<v Speaker 4>Thanks to say something and the press conference where it's like,

1:31:15.298 --> 1:31:17.177
<v Speaker 4>we don't all want to be I don't want everybody

1:31:17.218 --> 1:31:18.697
<v Speaker 4>to be on the same page or something like that.

1:31:18.777 --> 1:31:21.218
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you definitely want people to challenge.

1:31:20.897 --> 1:31:22.857
<v Speaker 4>You, right, It hit everybody weird. It's like, why why

1:31:22.897 --> 1:31:24.737
<v Speaker 4>don't why doesn't he want everybody in the same page.

1:31:24.777 --> 1:31:26.138
<v Speaker 4>I took that to mean like, yeah, I don't want

1:31:26.218 --> 1:31:27.737
<v Speaker 4>let yes men Like, yeah, you're gonna get on the

1:31:27.777 --> 1:31:30.657
<v Speaker 4>same page eventually. But you know, differentiating off idea as

1:31:30.697 --> 1:31:34.697
<v Speaker 4>things like that. You know that's for somebody like Ryan Cowden.

1:31:34.777 --> 1:31:36.338
<v Speaker 4>You look at him and it's all right. You know

1:31:36.378 --> 1:31:39.138
<v Speaker 4>he's been with Verbel before, they have a working relationship,

1:31:39.138 --> 1:31:41.378
<v Speaker 4>and you look for him to be that guy. Elliott Wolfe,

1:31:42.178 --> 1:31:44.098
<v Speaker 4>you know, comes from a different background, can maybe be

1:31:44.178 --> 1:31:46.098
<v Speaker 4>that guy and push back a little bit. I'm not

1:31:46.218 --> 1:31:49.458
<v Speaker 4>super worried about Rabel insulating himself. I'm really he just

1:31:49.497 --> 1:31:50.697
<v Speaker 4>doesn't seem like that kind of guy.

1:31:51.497 --> 1:31:54.458
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not super worried about it either. And I

1:31:54.978 --> 1:31:57.897
<v Speaker 2>think there will be guys that have differing opinions on

1:31:57.937 --> 1:32:01.097
<v Speaker 2>this staff, and there probably are on every single staff.

1:32:01.138 --> 1:32:03.258
<v Speaker 2>But I think the most important thing is when we

1:32:03.298 --> 1:32:05.697
<v Speaker 2>talk about personnel and we talk about this type of stuff,

1:32:05.777 --> 1:32:08.458
<v Speaker 2>is do you need to really identify? And I think

1:32:08.497 --> 1:32:10.777
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't really have the time to do this

1:32:10.857 --> 1:32:13.418
<v Speaker 2>with your odd but you really need to identify, like

1:32:13.458 --> 1:32:16.258
<v Speaker 2>what is a Patriot player? Like what is and I'm

1:32:16.298 --> 1:32:19.777
<v Speaker 2>not talking about the intangibles. I'm talking about skill sets,

1:32:19.857 --> 1:32:21.977
<v Speaker 2>like what is a Patriot wide receiver? What is a

1:32:22.018 --> 1:32:24.857
<v Speaker 2>Patriot running back? What's a Patriot tackle? And if you

1:32:24.897 --> 1:32:27.338
<v Speaker 2>can stick to the archetypes of the guys that you're

1:32:27.378 --> 1:32:30.258
<v Speaker 2>searching for, then it becomes like a well oiled machine.

1:32:30.497 --> 1:32:32.777
<v Speaker 4>So I'm talking about last week with the program, part

1:32:32.817 --> 1:32:34.577
<v Speaker 4>of the program as the kind of players we want,

1:32:34.657 --> 1:32:37.378
<v Speaker 4>and now it you know it. It makes things a

1:32:37.418 --> 1:32:39.178
<v Speaker 4>lot easier because you know what you're looking for. Yeah,

1:32:39.218 --> 1:32:41.977
<v Speaker 4>I mean, look, it's a I don't expect them to

1:32:41.978 --> 1:32:43.138
<v Speaker 4>know that right now, like, you need to know who

1:32:43.178 --> 1:32:44.977
<v Speaker 4>your coordinators are before we're going to do that. It's

1:32:45.018 --> 1:32:47.218
<v Speaker 4>obviously low hanging fruit, but like just to look at,

1:32:47.298 --> 1:32:50.618
<v Speaker 4>you know, the slot receiver for example, and the Patriots

1:32:50.617 --> 1:32:53.497
<v Speaker 4>an old way of doing things. They knew that the

1:32:53.617 --> 1:32:58.418
<v Speaker 4>Troy Brown, Dion Branch, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amandola,

1:32:58.777 --> 1:33:02.218
<v Speaker 4>Like they knew what to look for to get that guy,

1:33:02.937 --> 1:33:05.857
<v Speaker 4>and so they were not only able to continually pass

1:33:05.937 --> 1:33:09.017
<v Speaker 4>the torch and get that guy, they were also able

1:33:09.378 --> 1:33:11.418
<v Speaker 4>to get it later in the draft, Like they never

1:33:11.497 --> 1:33:13.458
<v Speaker 4>had to reach on that guy in like the first

1:33:13.497 --> 1:33:16.458
<v Speaker 4>or the second round because they knew the exact type

1:33:16.497 --> 1:33:19.137
<v Speaker 4>of player that they were looking for, and they could

1:33:19.138 --> 1:33:21.657
<v Speaker 4>find that player like Welker, you know, is a is

1:33:21.697 --> 1:33:24.897
<v Speaker 4>a sign and trade situation as an RFA. Edelman's obviously

1:33:24.937 --> 1:33:28.657
<v Speaker 4>a well known seventh round pick quarterback at the college level.

1:33:28.857 --> 1:33:32.138
<v Speaker 4>Jacobe Myers is an undraftfted rookie free agent, right, Like,

1:33:32.178 --> 1:33:33.857
<v Speaker 4>so you were able to do these types of things,

1:33:33.857 --> 1:33:35.937
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's big. I'll give you another one

1:33:35.978 --> 1:33:38.338
<v Speaker 4>that's a little less uh less obvious. I'm trying to

1:33:38.378 --> 1:33:41.458
<v Speaker 4>remember where this tree starts because obviously He's not like

1:33:41.737 --> 1:33:44.737
<v Speaker 4>Teddy Bruski. But you go from a Landon Roberts to

1:33:44.817 --> 1:33:47.897
<v Speaker 4>Juwan Bentley, right, that kind of linebacker. I'm trying to

1:33:47.897 --> 1:33:50.378
<v Speaker 4>remember who that was before Roberts.

1:33:49.897 --> 1:33:54.258
<v Speaker 2>But right Landon Roberts obviously Dante high Towers like the

1:33:54.298 --> 1:33:59.577
<v Speaker 2>apex version of that, right, yeaferent pet Johnson. Uh, you

1:33:59.617 --> 1:34:02.497
<v Speaker 2>know a Landon Roberts is going Jawan Bentley. Now, even

1:34:02.537 --> 1:34:04.497
<v Speaker 2>like Terrees Hall, who we love to talk about from

1:34:04.497 --> 1:34:07.017
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty season, like even though he didn't have

1:34:07.058 --> 1:34:09.258
<v Speaker 2>a ton going for him, he was a sledgehammer. That

1:34:09.338 --> 1:34:11.458
<v Speaker 2>guy could take on a guard you want to lead

1:34:11.497 --> 1:34:13.937
<v Speaker 2>through the line of scrimmage with the full back. Theres

1:34:14.018 --> 1:34:16.537
<v Speaker 2>Hall was meeting you at the party right right, and

1:34:16.577 --> 1:34:19.298
<v Speaker 2>that that type of guy is a skill set, it's

1:34:19.298 --> 1:34:21.737
<v Speaker 2>a type and they were able to find those types

1:34:21.777 --> 1:34:24.138
<v Speaker 2>of guys, you know, man coverage corners, Like, we're not

1:34:24.178 --> 1:34:27.497
<v Speaker 2>gonna draft ballhawks, We're not gonna draft zone guys.

1:34:27.617 --> 1:34:29.698
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna draft several one time Withcy.

1:34:29.418 --> 1:34:31.737
<v Speaker 3>Jackson, Yeah, well I was, you know, different situation.

1:34:31.857 --> 1:34:36.298
<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna draft Chushian Gonzales, We're gonna draft Marcus Jones,

1:34:36.378 --> 1:34:38.017
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna draft guys that can.

1:34:37.978 --> 1:34:41.937
<v Speaker 4>Run mind Stefan Gilmore, Right, we're gonna sign to yep.

1:34:42.537 --> 1:34:42.697
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:34:43.458 --> 1:34:46.977
<v Speaker 2>You know Jack Nelson from Wisconsin to tackle hearing a

1:34:47.018 --> 1:34:50.258
<v Speaker 2>little hearing a lot about him, Yeah, because he's got

1:34:50.258 --> 1:34:53.897
<v Speaker 2>all the traits and experience and stuff, I mean tackle. Yeah,

1:34:53.937 --> 1:34:56.178
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a little bit of all as one of

1:34:56.218 --> 1:34:59.657
<v Speaker 2>the emailers. Uh, you know, everybody keeps asking me about

1:34:59.697 --> 1:35:01.977
<v Speaker 2>that guy. I've seen a little bit of him. I

1:35:02.937 --> 1:35:05.737
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen enough to like have a full take on it,

1:35:05.817 --> 1:35:08.258
<v Speaker 2>but uh, I've seen a little bit of him. And uh,

1:35:08.378 --> 1:35:10.137
<v Speaker 2>you know, the one thing that I always worry about

1:35:10.577 --> 1:35:13.258
<v Speaker 2>with tackles like that is like the height can be

1:35:13.298 --> 1:35:15.857
<v Speaker 2>a detriment, right, Like if you're too tall and you

1:35:15.897 --> 1:35:18.258
<v Speaker 2>don't have the flexibility in your lowers to like be

1:35:18.298 --> 1:35:21.458
<v Speaker 2>able to sink and leverage and really get into your chair,

1:35:21.937 --> 1:35:24.017
<v Speaker 2>then you can almost be too tall for the position.

1:35:24.058 --> 1:35:26.817
<v Speaker 4>Who was the guy when we're at the Shrine Bowl

1:35:27.138 --> 1:35:30.018
<v Speaker 4>from Baylor who was like six eight three thirty and

1:35:30.058 --> 1:35:32.617
<v Speaker 4>he was physical as hell. Yeah, he was moving guys

1:35:32.657 --> 1:35:34.497
<v Speaker 4>left and right, but he couldn't bend at all.

1:35:34.817 --> 1:35:35.218
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you.

1:35:35.218 --> 1:35:38.497
<v Speaker 2>Remember, Yeah, I know who you're talking about, But you know,

1:35:38.537 --> 1:35:40.138
<v Speaker 2>like a guy like Joe Walt is really tall. But

1:35:40.218 --> 1:35:43.378
<v Speaker 2>Joe Walt's got great lower body flexibility and great uh,

1:35:43.697 --> 1:35:44.738
<v Speaker 2>you know, knee bend.

1:35:44.497 --> 1:35:46.897
<v Speaker 4>And he can make himself six to two like that, right.

1:35:46.817 --> 1:35:48.497
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, That's a good way of putting it.

1:35:49.537 --> 1:35:54.378
<v Speaker 2>Andrew here he emails in and says that he's worried

1:35:54.378 --> 1:35:58.657
<v Speaker 2>about Josh McDaniels, not because of a Patriots retread thing,

1:35:59.178 --> 1:36:02.497
<v Speaker 2>but he's worried about changing systems on Drake May. And

1:36:02.537 --> 1:36:05.458
<v Speaker 2>this is a fair concern, you know. He said, it's like,

1:36:05.537 --> 1:36:09.857
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting a Spanish teacher to teach German, or

1:36:09.857 --> 1:36:12.817
<v Speaker 2>a German teacher to speak whatever. And he's right, you know,

1:36:13.178 --> 1:36:15.697
<v Speaker 2>it's a different system, it's a different terminology. And if

1:36:15.697 --> 1:36:19.897
<v Speaker 2>I had one concern with Josh McDaniels, it's not so

1:36:20.018 --> 1:36:21.297
<v Speaker 2>much the change of the language.

1:36:21.298 --> 1:36:24.137
<v Speaker 3>It's it's more so, I would say, how much.

1:36:23.978 --> 1:36:26.578
<v Speaker 2>His system puts on the quarterback at the line of scrimmage.

1:36:26.817 --> 1:36:30.218
<v Speaker 2>I actually liked the idea of the center taking on

1:36:30.298 --> 1:36:33.258
<v Speaker 2>a lot of those responsibilities, and I loved We.

1:36:33.178 --> 1:36:33.857
<v Speaker 3>Talked to AVP.

1:36:34.018 --> 1:36:35.857
<v Speaker 2>I forget which time it was, but as before the

1:36:35.897 --> 1:36:38.617
<v Speaker 2>season started, and I remember he said to me that,

1:36:38.978 --> 1:36:41.258
<v Speaker 2>you know, the quarterback has got enough to worry about, right,

1:36:41.338 --> 1:36:43.097
<v Speaker 2>Like he's got he's got to read the coverage, he's

1:36:43.098 --> 1:36:45.338
<v Speaker 2>got to read the defense. He's got to read his progressions.

1:36:45.458 --> 1:36:47.338
<v Speaker 2>He's got to get the ball out accurately. He's got

1:36:47.338 --> 1:36:50.057
<v Speaker 2>to time up his footwork, like he's got enough things

1:36:50.378 --> 1:36:52.857
<v Speaker 2>on his mind to then also have to worry about

1:36:52.897 --> 1:36:55.617
<v Speaker 2>protections and what's going on up front and all that

1:36:55.697 --> 1:36:58.577
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. I actually really liked the approach of

1:36:58.577 --> 1:37:01.258
<v Speaker 2>putting most of that on the center. Now they were

1:37:01.258 --> 1:37:03.697
<v Speaker 2>able to do it with rookie year Mac Jones, So

1:37:03.897 --> 1:37:06.777
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they did that. Maybe streamlined it

1:37:06.857 --> 1:37:08.537
<v Speaker 2>a little bit for Mac his rookie year, because I

1:37:08.537 --> 1:37:11.338
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine Mac was out there his rookie season like

1:37:11.378 --> 1:37:15.097
<v Speaker 2>a field general, you know, putting everybody in their proper places.

1:37:15.378 --> 1:37:17.617
<v Speaker 2>So maybe they did do some things to tweak it

1:37:18.058 --> 1:37:20.937
<v Speaker 2>mac Jones's rookie season to help him out. So maybe

1:37:20.937 --> 1:37:22.497
<v Speaker 2>they could do that with Drake, But that would be

1:37:22.537 --> 1:37:26.697
<v Speaker 2>my one concern with that system for Drake is putting

1:37:26.857 --> 1:37:30.138
<v Speaker 2>a lot more mentally on his plate pre snap at

1:37:30.138 --> 1:37:33.378
<v Speaker 2>the line scrimmage and maybe bogging him down a little

1:37:33.378 --> 1:37:36.097
<v Speaker 2>bit and not letting him play as fast and loose

1:37:36.098 --> 1:37:38.697
<v Speaker 2>as we know he can play. So I'm not necessarily

1:37:38.737 --> 1:37:40.657
<v Speaker 2>worried about changing languages on him.

1:37:41.138 --> 1:37:42.697
<v Speaker 3>I am worried about that a little bit.

1:37:43.058 --> 1:37:44.697
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm with you. I mean we heard him talking

1:37:44.737 --> 1:37:47.138
<v Speaker 4>camp about how in the West Coast system it's like

1:37:47.178 --> 1:37:50.857
<v Speaker 4>fourteen fifteen word play calls and how that was a challenge.

1:37:50.857 --> 1:37:52.697
<v Speaker 4>So you're not gonna I think McDaniel still has some

1:37:52.697 --> 1:37:54.378
<v Speaker 4>of those, but it's not gonna be as many as

1:37:54.378 --> 1:37:57.537
<v Speaker 4>it is in a West Coast playbook. Yeah, it's it's

1:37:57.617 --> 1:38:00.378
<v Speaker 4>it's the pre snap stuff, and maybe they find a way,

1:38:00.458 --> 1:38:02.617
<v Speaker 4>especially if Andrews is back, to kind of keep some

1:38:02.737 --> 1:38:05.817
<v Speaker 4>of that with the center. Yeah, even in McDaniel's system

1:38:05.897 --> 1:38:07.657
<v Speaker 4>kind of blend it. But I'm with you. By the way,

1:38:07.697 --> 1:38:10.298
<v Speaker 4>that tackle was Connor Gallvian. Oh yeah, Connor gall he's

1:38:10.338 --> 1:38:12.657
<v Speaker 4>still on the Lions. Yeah, he's on IR but he's

1:38:12.737 --> 1:38:13.298
<v Speaker 4>on the Lions.

1:38:14.138 --> 1:38:14.458
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:38:14.537 --> 1:38:16.577
<v Speaker 2>I remember Connor g There's another one there too that

1:38:16.737 --> 1:38:19.697
<v Speaker 2>was like similar build, that was also really tall and

1:38:19.817 --> 1:38:21.497
<v Speaker 2>also maybe went to Pitt.

1:38:21.497 --> 1:38:24.057
<v Speaker 3>I want to say Pitt. I don't remember, though, Yeah,

1:38:24.058 --> 1:38:24.298
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:38:24.418 --> 1:38:25.017
<v Speaker 4>I just remember Connor.

1:38:25.138 --> 1:38:29.737
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember both of those guys being there. So

1:38:29.937 --> 1:38:33.418
<v Speaker 2>here's another question from Thomas that I I've seen a lot.

1:38:33.777 --> 1:38:36.137
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you get one of these, as.

1:38:36.098 --> 1:38:38.897
<v Speaker 2>You know, we feel like we've we've so to coined

1:38:38.897 --> 1:38:40.338
<v Speaker 2>the phrase type pants guy.

1:38:40.617 --> 1:38:42.057
<v Speaker 3>If you get the type pants guy.

1:38:42.098 --> 1:38:44.098
<v Speaker 4>The YouTube chat's been all over you saying that. I

1:38:44.098 --> 1:38:46.218
<v Speaker 4>think you've said it like if people playing a drinking game.

1:38:46.258 --> 1:38:47.777
<v Speaker 4>Every time you say it they passed out a long

1:38:47.817 --> 1:38:48.258
<v Speaker 4>time ago.

1:38:48.657 --> 1:38:51.577
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, yeah, I haven't even noticed that. Uh hey,

1:38:51.577 --> 1:38:52.857
<v Speaker 3>this one says it in the email.

1:38:52.978 --> 1:38:55.178
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying I'm not saying it's wrong. No, it's good.

1:38:55.817 --> 1:38:58.778
<v Speaker 4>How am I supposed to describe It's a good shorthand.

1:38:58.817 --> 1:39:00.977
<v Speaker 4>I just think it's funny that in the chat noticed,

1:39:01.777 --> 1:39:04.817
<v Speaker 4>do not play that game. By the way, don't, seriously don't.

1:39:05.018 --> 1:39:07.537
<v Speaker 3>If if you hire that guy, I'm not gonna say

1:39:07.577 --> 1:39:07.937
<v Speaker 3>it again.

1:39:08.258 --> 1:39:15.258
<v Speaker 2>Now, if you hire the innovative offensive coordinator takes a

1:39:15.577 --> 1:39:19.218
<v Speaker 2>new age right exactly, So say I, if you hire

1:39:19.258 --> 1:39:22.537
<v Speaker 2>that guy, then can you hire McDaniels as a quarterbacks coach?

1:39:22.817 --> 1:39:25.017
<v Speaker 2>I do not know why Josh McDaniels would do that.

1:39:25.258 --> 1:39:28.777
<v Speaker 2>Josh McDaniels is sitting pretty right now. The Raiders are

1:39:28.817 --> 1:39:30.817
<v Speaker 2>still paying them like he's got all the money in

1:39:30.857 --> 1:39:33.098
<v Speaker 2>the world. I have no idea why he would come

1:39:33.098 --> 1:39:36.497
<v Speaker 2>here to be a quarterback. If anything, I've wondered, could

1:39:36.537 --> 1:39:38.697
<v Speaker 2>you do it the other way? Could you hire some

1:39:38.777 --> 1:39:42.418
<v Speaker 2>young upshot coordinator and Josh McDaniels essentially becomes a much much, much,

1:39:42.497 --> 1:39:46.937
<v Speaker 2>much much better version of Ben mcint Yes, yeah, that's

1:39:47.018 --> 1:39:50.177
<v Speaker 2>I think it is definitely fair. A couple questions about

1:39:50.218 --> 1:39:53.178
<v Speaker 2>some Day two wide receiverst I don't know if this

1:39:53.218 --> 1:39:56.537
<v Speaker 2>guy's gonna go on Day two. Matthew Golden, he's like

1:39:56.617 --> 1:40:00.097
<v Speaker 2>the darling right now. Everybody loves Matthew Golden from.

1:40:00.098 --> 1:40:01.338
<v Speaker 3>Two games in the playoffs.

1:40:01.378 --> 1:40:03.697
<v Speaker 4>No, he's been good all year. Everybody's just discovering him

1:40:03.697 --> 1:40:05.857
<v Speaker 4>because everybody was so locked in on Isaiah Bond during

1:40:05.857 --> 1:40:09.298
<v Speaker 4>the year. Matthew Golden is a really good receiver. He's

1:40:09.298 --> 1:40:11.697
<v Speaker 4>a really good So you know, I love those like

1:40:11.737 --> 1:40:13.897
<v Speaker 4>well rounded guys where I'm like, I don't know that

1:40:13.978 --> 1:40:16.338
<v Speaker 4>he does any one thing amazing, but like find a

1:40:16.378 --> 1:40:18.737
<v Speaker 4>weakness in his gaming. Can't maybe a little small, but

1:40:18.817 --> 1:40:22.178
<v Speaker 4>like he looks like one of these complete guys that's

1:40:22.178 --> 1:40:24.577
<v Speaker 4>just gonna come in day one and go. And I

1:40:24.577 --> 1:40:26.657
<v Speaker 4>know people as what you said about Jalleen Polk. No,

1:40:26.897 --> 1:40:30.177
<v Speaker 4>Jalen Polk was like for what he was, seemed NFL ready,

1:40:30.497 --> 1:40:32.018
<v Speaker 4>but he was what he was, which was like a

1:40:32.138 --> 1:40:35.577
<v Speaker 4>chain mover. He wasn't super athletic, wasn't a separator. No,

1:40:35.777 --> 1:40:39.137
<v Speaker 4>Matthew Golden has some explosiveness to him, has the ability

1:40:39.138 --> 1:40:41.018
<v Speaker 4>to separate. He can create big place. He's not a

1:40:41.098 --> 1:40:43.777
<v Speaker 4>chain mover. He's a big play threat. He can make

1:40:43.817 --> 1:40:47.178
<v Speaker 4>plays at all three levels. He's gonna be like a

1:40:47.178 --> 1:40:49.857
<v Speaker 4>fringe first round pick. I think he's right there with Agbuca.

1:40:50.018 --> 1:40:53.737
<v Speaker 4>Like the top is Tep mcmill and we've talked about

1:40:53.737 --> 1:40:56.497
<v Speaker 4>this the disclaimer. Travis Hunter is the number one Travis

1:40:56.577 --> 1:40:57.258
<v Speaker 4>Hunter in the draft.

1:40:57.258 --> 1:40:57.937
<v Speaker 3>He's his own thing.

1:40:58.098 --> 1:41:01.258
<v Speaker 4>We're putting him to the side. Tet McMillan's best receiver

1:41:01.298 --> 1:41:04.138
<v Speaker 4>in a draft, Luthor Burden's number two. I think when

1:41:04.138 --> 1:41:06.977
<v Speaker 4>you get to that like next tier, right, it's like Buca,

1:41:07.577 --> 1:41:10.617
<v Speaker 4>it's Bolden. I feel like I'm missing somebody, but like

1:41:10.657 --> 1:41:13.657
<v Speaker 4>he's right there in that next group Luthor Burden. No,

1:41:13.737 --> 1:41:15.298
<v Speaker 4>I said I put Burden in between.

1:41:15.418 --> 1:41:17.657
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, Burn's better.

1:41:17.458 --> 1:41:19.178
<v Speaker 4>Than a Buca and Golden, but he's not as good

1:41:19.178 --> 1:41:19.577
<v Speaker 4>as mcmill.

1:41:19.817 --> 1:41:21.537
<v Speaker 2>So the other names that he put out there were

1:41:21.577 --> 1:41:23.218
<v Speaker 2>Trey Harris, who I know a lot of people are

1:41:23.218 --> 1:41:26.657
<v Speaker 2>big fans of we're gonna talk a lot about yeah,

1:41:26.697 --> 1:41:28.697
<v Speaker 2>and uh Jalen Royal. So I'm looking forward to seeing

1:41:28.737 --> 1:41:30.537
<v Speaker 2>it the Senior Bowl. I haven't watched a ton of

1:41:30.577 --> 1:41:33.378
<v Speaker 2>his film yet, but he's gonna be in Mobile, which

1:41:33.378 --> 1:41:36.617
<v Speaker 2>will be good. So Trey Harris, I watched a little

1:41:36.617 --> 1:41:37.577
<v Speaker 2>bit of him the other day.

1:41:37.937 --> 1:41:38.137
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:41:38.338 --> 1:41:41.098
<v Speaker 2>The one thing that I noticed with him is, you know,

1:41:41.178 --> 1:41:43.217
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of more of like a builder of speed

1:41:43.258 --> 1:41:45.217
<v Speaker 2>than he is like a true burner on the outside

1:41:45.378 --> 1:41:47.897
<v Speaker 2>that good size and a good catch rightious his hands

1:41:47.897 --> 1:41:50.977
<v Speaker 2>are you know, he has some of those tracking you know,

1:41:51.138 --> 1:41:53.378
<v Speaker 2>over the shoulder focus drops if you want to call

1:41:53.458 --> 1:41:56.458
<v Speaker 2>him those. I'm not in love with Trey Harris's game.

1:41:56.697 --> 1:41:59.178
<v Speaker 2>I I see it like I see the archetype that

1:41:59.218 --> 1:42:01.657
<v Speaker 2>he fits the outside, bigger X receiver.

1:42:02.458 --> 1:42:04.458
<v Speaker 3>But I'm just saying I'm not a big fan.

1:42:04.497 --> 1:42:08.258
<v Speaker 4>That guy from Old Miss you know what the takes

1:42:08.298 --> 1:42:11.218
<v Speaker 4>gonna be. Yeah, but he's nothing like I know, but

1:42:11.258 --> 1:42:16.378
<v Speaker 4>get ready for a totally I'm not saying that I

1:42:16.378 --> 1:42:18.777
<v Speaker 4>don't think Brown's like a running back with the football.

1:42:19.378 --> 1:42:20.777
<v Speaker 4>But just get ready to hear that.

1:42:21.298 --> 1:42:23.617
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Royals, I'm looking forward to seeing down in Mobile.

1:42:23.697 --> 1:42:26.378
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I like Matthew Golden the lot. I

1:42:26.937 --> 1:42:29.378
<v Speaker 2>definitely think Matthew Golden is more of like a z

1:42:29.617 --> 1:42:32.697
<v Speaker 2>or An off the line. He doesn't he doesn't have

1:42:32.737 --> 1:42:35.217
<v Speaker 2>the size or the play strength to play the X spot.

1:42:35.258 --> 1:42:38.258
<v Speaker 2>And I saw some stuff, especially against Georgia, where he

1:42:38.258 --> 1:42:41.097
<v Speaker 2>struggled a little bit against press and things of that nature.

1:42:41.577 --> 1:42:44.218
<v Speaker 2>But he's really bursty. He's really smooth at the top

1:42:44.258 --> 1:42:46.697
<v Speaker 2>of the route. One of those guys that doesn't have

1:42:46.777 --> 1:42:48.897
<v Speaker 2>to to discelerate too much at the top, like he

1:42:48.897 --> 1:42:50.017
<v Speaker 2>can just break right through.

1:42:50.338 --> 1:42:52.097
<v Speaker 3>He's got good explosiveness through the top.

1:42:52.617 --> 1:42:54.458
<v Speaker 2>He's one of those players that if you move him

1:42:54.458 --> 1:42:56.737
<v Speaker 2>around like a chess piece, you move him in motion,

1:42:56.897 --> 1:42:59.537
<v Speaker 2>you start him in motion, your cheap motion thing, Like

1:42:59.617 --> 1:43:02.137
<v Speaker 2>he's going to eat up and cushion fast and break

1:43:02.218 --> 1:43:02.817
<v Speaker 2>really quickly.

1:43:02.937 --> 1:43:05.298
<v Speaker 4>I saw something, Jalen Wadall, I don't think he's quite

1:43:05.298 --> 1:43:07.338
<v Speaker 4>that fast. Yeah, so stage wise.

1:43:07.058 --> 1:43:08.737
<v Speaker 3>I could so. I touted you this last night.

1:43:08.777 --> 1:43:10.817
<v Speaker 2>I got you who said, that's my my con for

1:43:10.978 --> 1:43:11.937
<v Speaker 2>Matthew Golden right now?

1:43:11.978 --> 1:43:14.777
<v Speaker 3>Is Jayden Reid agree? But yeah, that's what I see

1:43:14.817 --> 1:43:15.977
<v Speaker 3>because I think he can't.

1:43:16.018 --> 1:43:17.937
<v Speaker 2>He has really good ball skills and he can win

1:43:18.537 --> 1:43:20.577
<v Speaker 2>in some crowds and things like that, which is true

1:43:20.617 --> 1:43:23.258
<v Speaker 2>with Jayden Reid too, but his like his special trade

1:43:23.418 --> 1:43:25.937
<v Speaker 2>is his acceleration and his speed, and I think both

1:43:25.978 --> 1:43:29.338
<v Speaker 2>those guys have that. So I'm with Matthew Golden, but again,

1:43:29.418 --> 1:43:31.977
<v Speaker 2>I think with all these guys and I I'm really

1:43:32.258 --> 1:43:33.738
<v Speaker 2>also really looking forward.

1:43:33.458 --> 1:43:35.378
<v Speaker 3>To, uh the Miami kid.

1:43:37.458 --> 1:43:40.657
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's he's going to be down in mobile and

1:43:40.657 --> 1:43:43.178
<v Speaker 2>Williams going to be a mobile. Yes, yeah, also all

1:43:43.218 --> 1:43:45.577
<v Speaker 2>of that, like Tier is all going to be at

1:43:45.577 --> 1:43:51.218
<v Speaker 2>the Senior Bowl. Perfectstreppo excites me. He reminds me a

1:43:51.218 --> 1:43:52.217
<v Speaker 2>ton of Khalil Shakir.

1:43:53.058 --> 1:43:54.258
<v Speaker 4>He's bigger na though, isn't he?

1:43:54.338 --> 1:43:54.857
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

1:43:54.937 --> 1:43:58.098
<v Speaker 2>Clear is a decent size, like in terms of thickness.

1:43:58.857 --> 1:44:01.418
<v Speaker 2>So I'm looking forward to seeing him too when he

1:44:01.458 --> 1:44:03.937
<v Speaker 2>moves it and just runs with the football like five

1:44:03.978 --> 1:44:07.138
<v Speaker 2>ten yeah, probably like five ten, five eleven, only five ten.

1:44:07.178 --> 1:44:09.737
<v Speaker 4>I think he's like six ft six one, okay.

1:44:09.418 --> 1:44:11.857
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it binds me a little bit of Shaker

1:44:11.978 --> 1:44:14.057
<v Speaker 2>just the way that he like weaves with the ball

1:44:14.138 --> 1:44:15.737
<v Speaker 2>and you know, good with the ball in his hands.

1:44:15.737 --> 1:44:18.178
<v Speaker 4>While we're that you got any recency bias, guys.

1:44:18.058 --> 1:44:20.857
<v Speaker 2>Uh, I might, but give me a second. I want

1:44:20.857 --> 1:44:24.857
<v Speaker 2>to read some more of these emails. So this is

1:44:24.897 --> 1:44:27.697
<v Speaker 2>uh Nicholas and I've heard this name a ton. When

1:44:28.018 --> 1:44:30.458
<v Speaker 2>Fred brought this name up, he's he's high on this player.

1:44:30.657 --> 1:44:30.817
<v Speaker 4>Boy.

1:44:31.138 --> 1:44:34.298
<v Speaker 2>So we both agree on this one for once. Okay,

1:44:34.537 --> 1:44:40.458
<v Speaker 2>So Nicholas brings up Mason Graham. Okay, And my take

1:44:40.497 --> 1:44:44.857
<v Speaker 2>on Mason Graham is that I hear where everybody's saying,

1:44:44.897 --> 1:44:48.937
<v Speaker 2>where like, if you're just taking best player available and

1:44:49.058 --> 1:44:52.218
<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter off the board and you're

1:44:52.338 --> 1:44:55.777
<v Speaker 2>just going best player available, there's a case for Mason Graham.

1:44:56.298 --> 1:45:00.338
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not a just pure BPA type of guy.

1:45:00.857 --> 1:45:04.458
<v Speaker 2>I'm a best player available at a premium position of need,

1:45:04.577 --> 1:45:05.418
<v Speaker 2>the best player.

1:45:05.138 --> 1:45:07.258
<v Speaker 4>Available for the football team in specific.

1:45:07.497 --> 1:45:10.657
<v Speaker 3>So I think we're kind of yeah, splitting hairs there.

1:45:11.378 --> 1:45:16.818
<v Speaker 2>I am not drafting an interior defensive lineman at four overall,

1:45:18.138 --> 1:45:22.138
<v Speaker 2>unless the one caveat is that a doctor tells me

1:45:22.178 --> 1:45:24.418
<v Speaker 2>that Christian Barmer is never going to play football again, right,

1:45:24.458 --> 1:45:26.657
<v Speaker 2>which God, I hope is not the case, right, But

1:45:26.737 --> 1:45:30.378
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying if that is the case, then okay, Like.

1:45:30.497 --> 1:45:31.897
<v Speaker 4>It becomes more of a conversation.

1:45:31.937 --> 1:45:34.497
<v Speaker 2>But the only issue that I have with Mason Graham

1:45:34.897 --> 1:45:38.737
<v Speaker 2>that high is that you are counting on him being

1:45:39.338 --> 1:45:40.817
<v Speaker 2>like I don't want to put.

1:45:40.777 --> 1:45:42.137
<v Speaker 3>Him in Aaron Donald because that's unfair.

1:45:42.138 --> 1:45:43.977
<v Speaker 2>But like, you know what I'm trying to say, Cox,

1:45:44.098 --> 1:45:46.378
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to put him in a tier where he

1:45:46.497 --> 1:45:50.178
<v Speaker 2>is one of the elite, elite interior pass rushers at

1:45:50.178 --> 1:45:53.537
<v Speaker 2>the position, like a top five player at that position.

1:45:54.098 --> 1:45:58.058
<v Speaker 2>Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, you know, like we're talking about.

1:45:57.817 --> 1:45:59.057
<v Speaker 3>A stud of studs.

1:45:59.497 --> 1:46:02.497
<v Speaker 2>If that's what you're telling me that he is, then okay,

1:46:02.537 --> 1:46:05.298
<v Speaker 2>but he if you're it's almost like taking a guard.

1:46:05.338 --> 1:46:06.177
<v Speaker 3>It's not quite as.

1:46:06.138 --> 1:46:08.497
<v Speaker 2>Bad, but it almost is where like you better be

1:46:08.577 --> 1:46:11.697
<v Speaker 2>getting freakin' John Hannah if you're taking a guard that high.

1:46:11.857 --> 1:46:14.137
<v Speaker 2>And I just don't know if Mason Graham is quite

1:46:14.178 --> 1:46:14.577
<v Speaker 2>that good.

1:46:14.777 --> 1:46:16.817
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, you can answer this better than me.

1:46:17.897 --> 1:46:20.777
<v Speaker 4>How are you going to get him in barmore both

1:46:20.857 --> 1:46:22.897
<v Speaker 4>on the field where he's on the field a significant

1:46:22.897 --> 1:46:25.897
<v Speaker 4>amount as a top draft pick, like you need him

1:46:25.937 --> 1:46:28.338
<v Speaker 4>on the field. It's a defensive tackle taking that high

1:46:28.378 --> 1:46:30.817
<v Speaker 4>you're talking at least like sixty five seventy percent usage

1:46:30.897 --> 1:46:34.897
<v Speaker 4>rate Barmar's if he's healthy, he's probably one of your

1:46:34.937 --> 1:46:37.658
<v Speaker 4>top three best players, right, It's him, May and Gonzales,

1:46:38.018 --> 1:46:41.258
<v Speaker 4>So you want him on the field a significant amount.

1:46:41.617 --> 1:46:43.418
<v Speaker 4>So now, like, what are you doing in the end?

1:46:43.497 --> 1:46:47.497
<v Speaker 4>Is one of them playing in? Now you're pretty big, Like,

1:46:47.537 --> 1:46:49.497
<v Speaker 4>how's that good? I'm not saying it can't work, but

1:46:49.817 --> 1:46:52.177
<v Speaker 4>you're you're really kind of putting yourself in a box

1:46:52.537 --> 1:46:54.497
<v Speaker 4>if you make that pick, and you so you have

1:46:54.617 --> 1:46:57.298
<v Speaker 4>to be damn sure that he's gonna give you the

1:46:57.338 --> 1:47:00.458
<v Speaker 4>outcome that you're expecting, because if not, it comes really

1:47:00.458 --> 1:47:01.697
<v Speaker 4>hard to justify that pick.

1:47:01.897 --> 1:47:02.097
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1:47:02.218 --> 1:47:05.977
<v Speaker 2>So they're both three techniques naturally, right, and so you

1:47:05.978 --> 1:47:08.537
<v Speaker 2>can you know, you could obviously make it work with

1:47:08.577 --> 1:47:11.497
<v Speaker 2>them being three four ends like you know four I

1:47:11.777 --> 1:47:15.218
<v Speaker 2>five technique ends over the tackle or outside shade the

1:47:15.218 --> 1:47:19.617
<v Speaker 2>guard on early downs passing downs, Like you worry about

1:47:19.657 --> 1:47:21.857
<v Speaker 2>how that is going to fit together, Like how do

1:47:21.897 --> 1:47:24.857
<v Speaker 2>you have both those guys on the field. You know,

1:47:24.937 --> 1:47:27.577
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots in the past, they've always liked to run

1:47:27.737 --> 1:47:30.777
<v Speaker 2>like that mebafront where they have one down lineman over

1:47:30.777 --> 1:47:33.418
<v Speaker 2>the nose, like, okay, so how is that Christian Barmore?

1:47:33.617 --> 1:47:35.817
<v Speaker 2>Is that Mason Graham? Are you gonna play with two

1:47:35.857 --> 1:47:36.618
<v Speaker 2>three techniques?

1:47:36.657 --> 1:47:36.897
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

1:47:36.897 --> 1:47:38.418
<v Speaker 2>If you're gonna do that, then you have nobody in

1:47:38.458 --> 1:47:40.137
<v Speaker 2>the A gaps, So now you have to find ways

1:47:40.138 --> 1:47:42.458
<v Speaker 2>to cover the A gaps. And like those types of

1:47:42.497 --> 1:47:46.697
<v Speaker 2>things are all you know in consideration with that type

1:47:46.697 --> 1:47:50.378
<v Speaker 2>of pick. He's an up the field player as well.

1:47:50.418 --> 1:47:53.057
<v Speaker 2>Like you, I don't look at Mason Graham on film

1:47:53.338 --> 1:47:56.258
<v Speaker 2>and necessarily think of him as a great two gapping.

1:47:57.657 --> 1:47:58.178
<v Speaker 3>And he's not.

1:47:58.418 --> 1:48:00.897
<v Speaker 2>And he's not, you know, a pure two gapping end

1:48:00.937 --> 1:48:04.497
<v Speaker 2>I So in that respect, you know the guy that

1:48:04.537 --> 1:48:06.617
<v Speaker 2>he reminds me a lot of. And I know that

1:48:06.617 --> 1:48:09.418
<v Speaker 2>this guy was drafted a little bit later but has

1:48:09.458 --> 1:48:10.937
<v Speaker 2>had a great rookie year for the Rams.

1:48:10.937 --> 1:48:13.577
<v Speaker 3>Is Brandon Fiskey, right, Like, he just up the.

1:48:13.497 --> 1:48:17.737
<v Speaker 2>Field, absolute terror to block and just a screamer, right

1:48:17.777 --> 1:48:20.018
<v Speaker 2>And and that's a great player. Fisky is one of

1:48:20.058 --> 1:48:22.098
<v Speaker 2>the best young players in the league. That's outside of

1:48:22.098 --> 1:48:24.977
<v Speaker 2>the bos you want, Yeah, Barmore is more physical though.

1:48:25.018 --> 1:48:28.857
<v Speaker 2>Barmore is stronger and more and stouter than Graham is.

1:48:28.897 --> 1:48:33.577
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like you have that role filled, Yeah.

1:48:33.537 --> 1:48:33.777
<v Speaker 3>You do.

1:48:34.258 --> 1:48:36.177
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the few roles that you have filled

1:48:36.178 --> 1:48:37.137
<v Speaker 2>with the blue chip play.

1:48:37.058 --> 1:48:39.577
<v Speaker 4>Right exactly, So like why double down on that with

1:48:39.617 --> 1:48:40.497
<v Speaker 4>this premium massage?

1:48:40.537 --> 1:48:42.057
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I'm totally with you there.

1:48:43.897 --> 1:48:47.017
<v Speaker 2>David says, Uh, we need to get Rabel on catch

1:48:47.018 --> 1:48:50.977
<v Speaker 2>twenty two. I'd love I'd love to see Stacy's face on.

1:48:50.857 --> 1:48:52.058
<v Speaker 4>That one option.

1:48:53.617 --> 1:48:57.337
<v Speaker 2>Uh, that would be good. Open invitation is right, anytime

1:48:57.338 --> 1:48:58.177
<v Speaker 2>he wants to come.

1:48:58.058 --> 1:49:02.258
<v Speaker 4>On any any time, staff really not just any Yeah.

1:49:02.857 --> 1:49:08.697
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna happen, Field, and uh, let's take these calls

1:49:08.737 --> 1:49:11.097
<v Speaker 2>and then we gotta we gotta end this plane, because

1:49:11.218 --> 1:49:13.697
<v Speaker 2>land this plane, because I got I got some good

1:49:13.737 --> 1:49:16.017
<v Speaker 2>interviews lined up on the place for Vrabel. By the way,

1:49:16.018 --> 1:49:18.418
<v Speaker 2>I can protease that. I don't want to say who,

1:49:18.458 --> 1:49:20.697
<v Speaker 2>but it's gonna be a good one. All right, Dan

1:49:20.857 --> 1:49:22.098
<v Speaker 2>is in Philadelphia?

1:49:22.138 --> 1:49:24.577
<v Speaker 3>What's up? Dan? Or Don? Sorry? Don?

1:49:25.937 --> 1:49:30.497
<v Speaker 7>Hey guys, I just want to quickly how appealing do

1:49:30.537 --> 1:49:33.098
<v Speaker 7>you think New England is as a free agent destination

1:49:33.258 --> 1:49:37.937
<v Speaker 7>with Vrabel as compared to you know, if Ben Johnson

1:49:38.058 --> 1:49:42.258
<v Speaker 7>did come in, And I think you guys pretty much

1:49:42.378 --> 1:49:44.977
<v Speaker 7>nailed it with the coordinator talk today, so I wanted

1:49:45.018 --> 1:49:49.378
<v Speaker 7>to jump to the draft here. I'm kind of a

1:49:49.458 --> 1:49:53.137
<v Speaker 7>firm believer that now with Vrabel as a head coach,

1:49:53.298 --> 1:49:57.578
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't necessarily in on taking Travis Hunter if he's available,

1:49:58.537 --> 1:50:02.137
<v Speaker 7>but I think Rabel is the right coach to turn

1:50:02.218 --> 1:50:04.897
<v Speaker 7>him into a special player in the league. But for

1:50:04.978 --> 1:50:08.937
<v Speaker 7>this hypothetical, if Travis Hunter and Abdull Carter are off

1:50:08.978 --> 1:50:11.897
<v Speaker 7>the board, are you guys planning to stick there? Do

1:50:11.937 --> 1:50:14.977
<v Speaker 7>you think the talent is there? Are you trading back?

1:50:17.098 --> 1:50:19.657
<v Speaker 7>You know, I know you just mentioned why have two

1:50:19.777 --> 1:50:23.458
<v Speaker 7>blue chip players like Mason Graham and Barmore on the

1:50:23.458 --> 1:50:27.418
<v Speaker 7>defensive line, But is Will Johnson a consideration? Are you

1:50:27.458 --> 1:50:30.258
<v Speaker 7>trading back and maybe thinking receiver? You know, what's your

1:50:30.497 --> 1:50:34.138
<v Speaker 7>what's your draft strategy going forward? I'll take it off air.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank yeah, thanks for the call.

1:50:35.737 --> 1:50:38.378
<v Speaker 2>Do so on the first point about being a free

1:50:38.378 --> 1:50:42.737
<v Speaker 2>agent destination, I'm interested to ask some players that for

1:50:42.777 --> 1:50:45.458
<v Speaker 2>this piece about that, and because they did sign his

1:50:45.537 --> 1:50:46.777
<v Speaker 2>free agents with Rabel.

1:50:46.817 --> 1:50:49.737
<v Speaker 3>But I do think it's better, certainly.

1:50:49.298 --> 1:50:52.617
<v Speaker 2>Because you're not current free like free agents that are

1:50:52.697 --> 1:50:55.258
<v Speaker 2>coming up, you know, in twenty twenty five, I know

1:50:55.298 --> 1:50:58.378
<v Speaker 2>that you're talking to a past you're not talking current

1:50:59.058 --> 1:51:01.697
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five guys though new co current. I do

1:51:01.777 --> 1:51:04.057
<v Speaker 2>think it's it's a better sell. You have a guy

1:51:04.058 --> 1:51:05.777
<v Speaker 2>that has a proof of concept and a guy that

1:51:05.857 --> 1:51:08.817
<v Speaker 2>knows how to coach and can probably really present like

1:51:08.897 --> 1:51:10.977
<v Speaker 2>a plan of like this is how we're gonna use you,

1:51:11.018 --> 1:51:12.977
<v Speaker 2>and this is what we're gonna do, and all those

1:51:13.018 --> 1:51:15.897
<v Speaker 2>types of things. So I'm I think it's definitely a

1:51:15.897 --> 1:51:18.497
<v Speaker 2>better job than where they were. But money talks like

1:51:18.537 --> 1:51:21.218
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna take money still, like there's still not a

1:51:21.258 --> 1:51:23.737
<v Speaker 2>destination to the point where they're gonna get guys at discounts.

1:51:23.857 --> 1:51:25.697
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I'm one hundred percent with you, you know.

1:51:25.737 --> 1:51:28.017
<v Speaker 4>Compared to Ben Johnson, I think some of that's probably

1:51:28.058 --> 1:51:30.177
<v Speaker 4>personality thing. I think there are certain kinds of players

1:51:30.178 --> 1:51:32.178
<v Speaker 4>that would probably rather play for Mike Rabel. I think

1:51:32.178 --> 1:51:34.617
<v Speaker 4>there's certain kind of players, certain kinds of players that

1:51:34.777 --> 1:51:37.338
<v Speaker 4>rather pay for play for Ben Johnson. I think they

1:51:37.338 --> 1:51:39.537
<v Speaker 4>are more of a destination now than they were before,

1:51:39.978 --> 1:51:42.577
<v Speaker 4>but yet they're they're not getting anybody without paying them

1:51:42.577 --> 1:51:43.697
<v Speaker 4>the most money. At the end of the day, they

1:51:43.737 --> 1:51:45.338
<v Speaker 4>got to pay people the most money to come here

1:51:45.697 --> 1:51:46.497
<v Speaker 4>whoever the coaches.

1:51:46.777 --> 1:51:50.977
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely also agree with the caller about Travis Hunter,

1:51:51.058 --> 1:51:52.017
<v Speaker 2>like I feel better.

1:51:52.737 --> 1:51:54.458
<v Speaker 3>I still don't feel great about it.

1:51:54.458 --> 1:51:59.817
<v Speaker 4>Right, No, better, I don't. Yeah, I still don't know.

1:51:59.937 --> 1:52:03.497
<v Speaker 4>I would take him over Will Johnson, like if I

1:52:03.537 --> 1:52:06.338
<v Speaker 4>need to. We're gonna learn a lot at the Combine

1:52:06.378 --> 1:52:08.577
<v Speaker 4>about what his plans are. I still just it's so

1:52:08.657 --> 1:52:11.418
<v Speaker 4>hard to take about Travis Hunter because I don't know

1:52:11.458 --> 1:52:13.497
<v Speaker 4>where he's gonna play, and I don't know what his

1:52:13.577 --> 1:52:15.458
<v Speaker 4>plan's gonna be and how open he's gonna be, the

1:52:15.458 --> 1:52:17.897
<v Speaker 4>different plans and things like that, because that's what it

1:52:17.937 --> 1:52:18.817
<v Speaker 4>really comes down to.

1:52:20.298 --> 1:52:21.657
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would be interesting to see.

1:52:21.737 --> 1:52:24.777
<v Speaker 4>I assume that his also think I think he's going

1:52:24.817 --> 1:52:25.537
<v Speaker 4>to the Giants, So.

1:52:25.697 --> 1:52:27.338
<v Speaker 2>I think his answers that the Combine are gonna be

1:52:27.338 --> 1:52:28.458
<v Speaker 2>that he wants to play both ways.

1:52:29.458 --> 1:52:30.418
<v Speaker 3>I think that's what he wants to do.

1:52:30.617 --> 1:52:33.258
<v Speaker 2>It's just not realistic, it's not but I think that's

1:52:33.258 --> 1:52:35.137
<v Speaker 2>what he wants to do, or at least do it

1:52:35.298 --> 1:52:36.938
<v Speaker 2>in some sort of packaged.

1:52:36.537 --> 1:52:37.858
<v Speaker 3>Way that it is realistic.

1:52:37.897 --> 1:52:41.017
<v Speaker 2>You know, he plays twenty five snaps on defense and

1:52:41.058 --> 1:52:43.897
<v Speaker 2>twenty five on offense, or you know, ten on offense,

1:52:43.978 --> 1:52:46.098
<v Speaker 2>but fifty on defense, you know, try to find that

1:52:46.178 --> 1:52:48.777
<v Speaker 2>happy medium. But I don't think that he's going to

1:52:48.817 --> 1:52:51.017
<v Speaker 2>go in the league and only play on one side

1:52:51.018 --> 1:52:54.338
<v Speaker 2>of the ball unless he gets into the NFL, and

1:52:54.378 --> 1:52:56.177
<v Speaker 2>maybe he has to learn the hard way, Like maybe

1:52:56.178 --> 1:52:57.137
<v Speaker 2>he has to learn the hard way.

1:52:57.258 --> 1:52:58.657
<v Speaker 4>This is too But I feel like if you get

1:52:58.657 --> 1:53:00.937
<v Speaker 4>to that point and when I say playboat, like, yeah,

1:53:00.978 --> 1:53:02.937
<v Speaker 4>he can be a package player. But that's what that's

1:53:02.937 --> 1:53:06.657
<v Speaker 4>what I worry about, is he's too ambitious. The coaching

1:53:06.737 --> 1:53:08.937
<v Speaker 4>staff is too ambitious. You get to the point where

1:53:08.978 --> 1:53:10.737
<v Speaker 4>you're learning something the hard way. At that point it's

1:53:10.777 --> 1:53:14.258
<v Speaker 4>too late, Like now, all right, you're wasting time with

1:53:14.338 --> 1:53:16.098
<v Speaker 4>this great player. So that's what worries me.

1:53:16.378 --> 1:53:21.378
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Sal is in Linnfield. I believe it says, yeah, Sal,

1:53:21.497 --> 1:53:21.857
<v Speaker 2>what's up?

1:53:21.857 --> 1:53:22.017
<v Speaker 3>Sal?

1:53:22.418 --> 1:53:23.218
<v Speaker 8>Hey, what's going on?

1:53:23.577 --> 1:53:23.777
<v Speaker 2>Boyd?

1:53:24.577 --> 1:53:28.617
<v Speaker 8>Sale of my friends call me money Listen. I feel

1:53:28.657 --> 1:53:30.857
<v Speaker 8>like the tackle position on this rough the is not

1:53:30.897 --> 1:53:33.257
<v Speaker 8>good enough. You know, I was I was to standout

1:53:33.258 --> 1:53:34.777
<v Speaker 8>in high school and I think I could do a

1:53:34.817 --> 1:53:37.458
<v Speaker 8>better jump than Madarian Lowe and the boys there. So

1:53:38.298 --> 1:53:41.418
<v Speaker 8>I'm really liking the idea of drafting a tackle. I like,

1:53:41.537 --> 1:53:44.657
<v Speaker 8>I really like Campbell. I also think we should probably

1:53:44.737 --> 1:53:47.857
<v Speaker 8>move up somewhere in this draft, top fifteen maybe and

1:53:47.937 --> 1:53:53.578
<v Speaker 8>look at Ashton gent. I also Scattabo Scataboo. However, he's

1:53:53.577 --> 1:53:55.097
<v Speaker 8>a pretty good, pretty good player.

1:53:55.178 --> 1:53:57.737
<v Speaker 3>But I feel like this guy's trolling a good one.

1:53:57.937 --> 1:54:01.497
<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, thanks, so that might have been.

1:54:02.737 --> 1:54:04.497
<v Speaker 4>I think so. I have said for the record, I

1:54:04.897 --> 1:54:09.737
<v Speaker 4>do not think the Patriots and draft in the first drafts. No,

1:54:10.218 --> 1:54:12.418
<v Speaker 4>they they they have too Manykees take a running back

1:54:12.458 --> 1:54:14.418
<v Speaker 4>that high look like, but.

1:54:14.458 --> 1:54:16.577
<v Speaker 3>He built it around Derrick Henry, Alex.

1:54:17.138 --> 1:54:19.697
<v Speaker 4>Ashton Gent's not This is your same thing with comparing

1:54:19.737 --> 1:54:23.218
<v Speaker 4>Mason Graham to to Aaron Donald, Like, okay, you know,

1:54:23.378 --> 1:54:26.298
<v Speaker 4>let's not. I'm not comparing any right, Derrick Henry. I've

1:54:26.298 --> 1:54:28.657
<v Speaker 4>said this year, We're never gonna see Derrick Henry again,

1:54:29.218 --> 1:54:31.857
<v Speaker 4>like just because of how basileagu geted he is and

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<v Speaker 4>to the way the league's going, We're never gonna see

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<v Speaker 4>a guy like Derreck Henry again. Uh, Cam Skataboo good player.

1:54:37.178 --> 1:54:38.738
<v Speaker 4>I would like to see him draft a running back.

1:54:39.098 --> 1:54:41.578
<v Speaker 4>I do think with Rabel there is a chance they drive,

1:54:41.738 --> 1:54:45.017
<v Speaker 4>especially if he doesn't believe vermonder Stevenson can fix his

1:54:45.018 --> 1:54:47.458
<v Speaker 4>fumbling issues. I do think there's a chance they're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>take a running back somewhere that's gonna make you uncomfortable.

1:54:49.618 --> 1:54:51.097
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's gonna be in the first round.

1:54:51.338 --> 1:54:54.498
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's on Day two. Those Ohio State backs. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>if he wants to find again, I'm not gonna compare

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<v Speaker 4>anybody to Derrick Henry, but if he wants to find himself,

1:54:58.818 --> 1:55:02.098
<v Speaker 4>a bell cow right twenty five carries a game seventeen

1:55:02.138 --> 1:55:04.937
<v Speaker 4>games this season. Can can weather the tear, can still

1:55:04.937 --> 1:55:07.298
<v Speaker 4>be giving out body blows with all of that that

1:55:07.418 --> 1:55:10.937
<v Speaker 4>contact that he's taking. Oh boy, would Quinn Shaw and

1:55:11.018 --> 1:55:14.498
<v Speaker 4>Judkins be fun in that offense or Travon Henderson. I

1:55:14.538 --> 1:55:17.257
<v Speaker 4>like Judkins a little bit better, But like those Ohio

1:55:17.378 --> 1:55:22.818
<v Speaker 4>State backs, Mari, just those stop stop, don't do that

1:55:22.897 --> 1:55:26.698
<v Speaker 4>thing good football, don't don't, don't blame.

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<v Speaker 3>Up front. We're gonna be a bunch of hogs. So

1:55:31.778 --> 1:55:32.137
<v Speaker 3>you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>So you don't like the Ohio State running backs.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, they're fine. I think they're all.

1:55:37.018 --> 1:55:39.218
<v Speaker 2>I think this running back class is so deep and

1:55:39.338 --> 1:55:41.937
<v Speaker 2>uh and has so many names in it that like

1:55:42.138 --> 1:55:43.418
<v Speaker 2>just just just take something.

1:55:43.418 --> 1:55:45.097
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a ton of good Backs. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think you can miss running back this year.

1:55:46.818 --> 1:55:48.017
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I don't. I don't.

1:55:48.338 --> 1:55:50.498
<v Speaker 2>I'm not putting any sort of priority on that position

1:55:50.498 --> 1:55:52.378
<v Speaker 2>if they're gonna go a little higher, which I wouldn't

1:55:52.378 --> 1:55:53.258
<v Speaker 2>be surprised if they do.

1:55:53.338 --> 1:55:55.698
<v Speaker 4>I like the Ohio State guys, but that guy was

1:55:55.698 --> 1:55:59.977
<v Speaker 4>definitely trolling or maybe or maybe you maybe a Mario

1:56:00.218 --> 1:56:02.618
<v Speaker 4>a mari and Hampton is more realistic of conversation than

1:56:02.618 --> 1:56:04.578
<v Speaker 4>we thought. There we go and reuniting him with Drake Man.

1:56:04.658 --> 1:56:06.137
<v Speaker 4>You like Hampton, I know you like Hampton.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like Hampton. I saw him at the pro day,

1:56:08.618 --> 1:56:11.498
<v Speaker 2>and I am very, very as much recency bias as

1:56:11.498 --> 1:56:13.458
<v Speaker 2>I have. I'm also biased to people that I saw

1:56:13.538 --> 1:56:17.338
<v Speaker 2>in person, the Ohio State guys. I think most people

1:56:17.418 --> 1:56:19.258
<v Speaker 2>that that do this for a living are that way.

1:56:19.498 --> 1:56:24.178
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, if you see so, I I definitely am

1:56:24.258 --> 1:56:24.618
<v Speaker 3>all right.

1:56:25.058 --> 1:56:25.538
<v Speaker 4>That does it.

1:56:25.978 --> 1:56:27.738
<v Speaker 2>I have to take a call out too, so we

1:56:27.778 --> 1:56:31.538
<v Speaker 2>have to a few minutes earlier here, but I think

1:56:31.618 --> 1:56:35.977
<v Speaker 2>next week, you know, next week. I know we have

1:56:36.018 --> 1:56:39.298
<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions in here about like draft strategy

1:56:39.418 --> 1:56:42.378
<v Speaker 2>and Vrabels types and things. We obviously had to open

1:56:42.418 --> 1:56:44.298
<v Speaker 2>the show today with our thoughts on the higher and

1:56:44.338 --> 1:56:46.618
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff to begin with. So next

1:56:46.618 --> 1:56:48.418
<v Speaker 2>week we'll get right back into it. And then the

1:56:48.418 --> 1:56:50.177
<v Speaker 2>week after that, Not to make you feel bad because

1:56:50.178 --> 1:56:51.937
<v Speaker 2>I wish you were coming with me, but the week

1:56:51.978 --> 1:56:55.137
<v Speaker 2>after that, I will be in Mobile for the Senior Bowl,

1:56:55.618 --> 1:56:58.618
<v Speaker 2>so we'll do a show. Alex will be here running

1:56:58.818 --> 1:57:01.778
<v Speaker 2>the ship from home base, and I'll be at the

1:57:01.778 --> 1:57:04.738
<v Speaker 2>Senior Bowl, so we'll have plenty of draft talk on

1:57:04.778 --> 1:57:07.218
<v Speaker 2>that show. Obviously will be all draft talk. We'll just

1:57:07.258 --> 1:57:10.578
<v Speaker 2>do mobile mobile Mobile down there. So I'm really looking

1:57:10.618 --> 1:57:13.738
<v Speaker 2>forward to that on my second trip to the Senior Bowl.

1:57:14.058 --> 1:57:17.017
<v Speaker 2>So I'm excited for that, and I'm really excited just

1:57:17.098 --> 1:57:19.778
<v Speaker 2>also to observe and see who's there from the Patriots

1:57:19.818 --> 1:57:23.858
<v Speaker 2>will be interesting in itself, so we'll see what reports

1:57:23.858 --> 1:57:28.418
<v Speaker 2>I can come up from there. But one more time,

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1:57:35.218 --> 1:57:37.778
<v Speaker 2>All right, we'll see you guys next week and we'll

1:57:37.778 --> 1:57:39.937
<v Speaker 2>get into a lot of draft talk.

1:57:39.978 --> 1:57:41.418
<v Speaker 3>In a couple weeks and I'm in Mobile.

1:57:41.498 --> 1:57:44.297
<v Speaker 2>But until then, signing off for Alex Bartam Evan Lazarre,

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<v Speaker 2>See you next time.

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