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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 1: Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 1: Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 3: And Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined as always

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Speaker 3: by our Barak.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars but they are

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Speaker 1: still a.

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Speaker 3: Better coordinator than him.

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Speaker 4: To be a coordinator, Mayo was never a coordinator. Hiring

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Speaker 4: him to be a co I coach and I'm hiring

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Speaker 4: him to run the football team.

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Speaker 3: He's games.

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Speaker 4: The buck stops with him. He is the boss.

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Speaker 2: So Kyle Shan's head coach is what you're saying you

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Speaker 2: got me so fired up that I cursed.

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Speaker 4: That was awesome. That was and I got more than

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Speaker 4: maybe any show we've done. I got a ton of

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Speaker 4: positive feedback on like just people reaching out on social

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Speaker 4: media or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Just gas yourself up.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I'm saying, like to both of us that like, hey,

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Speaker 4: this was you guys had the conversation. That's what I

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Speaker 4: for both sides. It wasn't one of us trying to

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Speaker 4: necessarily convince the other one. It was just here's the

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Speaker 4: case for one, here's the case for both. We we

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Speaker 4: or the other. We both thought they'd each be a

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Speaker 4: good hire. And I think it resonated with a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. So I appreciate everybody that reached out. And

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Speaker 4: that was it's gonna be we we have tough act

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Speaker 4: to fall. It's going to be tough to follow that show.

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Speaker 4: That was one of the best shows we've done.

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Speaker 2: There you go, so you you got your way, you won,

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Speaker 2: you want you you won the argument. Mister Kraft sided

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Speaker 4: They were they were waiting to hear that until they

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Speaker 4: made high that clearly I presented that I was.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they made the decision based off of the

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Speaker 4: Robert to go with you looking at his phone going

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Speaker 2: You know what, he makes a lot of good points,

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Speaker 2: That's what they were saying. Uh and uh, you know

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Speaker 2: you you won, so you know, credit to you.

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't. I mean, you haven't won anything yet.

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Speaker 3: You know, you gotta win.

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Speaker 4: No pressures on me. Now, you just get to sit back.

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Speaker 4: If it doesn't work out, and I told you it

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Speaker 2: It would have worked with they run the ball thirty

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Speaker 2: And here in a second, Evan Lazar Alex Bars. If

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Speaker 2: you don't know by now, I'm sure you do. Patriots

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Speaker 2: It's our first show since the Patriots announced the hiring

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Speaker 3: Which was all the things that were the selling points.

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Speaker 4: But no, the stuff you're talking about that surprised you.

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Speaker 2: The past, so he has plans, yes, and I hate

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Speaker 3: What I look at with Mike Rabel is that he already.

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Speaker 3: But a couple of things with that one.

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be cowten and that's gonna be Elliott Wolf.

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Speaker 2: Can you pick players like that? That's what this is

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Speaker 2: To me, looks like Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel are

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Speaker 2: But Elliott Wolf has the institutional knowledge of what the

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Speaker 4: So I guess that's easier to start, and maybe we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, stop looking at your phone, all right, I'm trying

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Speaker 4: So much of this process has already completed. The scouting

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Speaker 3: So it's a fine setup. I don't mind it.

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Speaker 2: They were all at the press conference on Monday, so

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00:21:16,498 --> 00:21:18,938
Speaker 2: they're all still currently here. And it is a little

437
00:21:18,938 --> 00:21:22,418
Speaker 2: bit of an awkward dynamic there. But it Rabel's the

438
00:21:22,418 --> 00:21:24,338
Speaker 2: guy that has the hammer, as Mike Reaves put it

439
00:21:24,378 --> 00:21:26,778
Speaker 2: on your station, I think, then, you know, everybody's got

440
00:21:26,818 --> 00:21:29,258
Speaker 2: to kind of fall in line underneath Rabel, and he's

441
00:21:29,298 --> 00:21:33,298
Speaker 2: the one that hopefully will be able to keep everybody

442
00:21:33,658 --> 00:21:37,378
Speaker 2: you know, on schedule, on tracks and in check. So

443
00:21:37,778 --> 00:21:40,018
Speaker 2: that's the front office side of it. I do eventually

444
00:21:40,218 --> 00:21:42,978
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I still feel like it will

445
00:21:42,978 --> 00:21:45,378
Speaker 2: be Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel for the long term,

446
00:21:45,698 --> 00:21:47,898
Speaker 2: and maybe we see some of these other guys phased

447
00:21:47,898 --> 00:21:50,178
Speaker 2: out over the course of the next couple of years.

448
00:21:50,698 --> 00:21:54,018
Speaker 2: But the other big element to this as well, just

449
00:21:54,098 --> 00:21:58,538
Speaker 2: going back the little history on Ryan Cowden and Mike Rabel,

450
00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:02,098
Speaker 2: this was supposed to happen in Tennessee, right, These two

451
00:22:02,098 --> 00:22:05,298
Speaker 2: guys were supposed to take power in Tennessee after they

452
00:22:05,338 --> 00:22:09,018
Speaker 2: fired John Robinson and Tennessee Cowden was named the interim

453
00:22:09,058 --> 00:22:14,138
Speaker 2: general manager for the time being, and the owner, who's

454
00:22:15,218 --> 00:22:18,818
Speaker 2: the owner. She said that, you know, Cowden was going

455
00:22:18,818 --> 00:22:20,698
Speaker 2: to be the general manager, Rabel was going to be

456
00:22:20,698 --> 00:22:24,458
Speaker 2: the head coach. And then in order to basically avoid

457
00:22:24,498 --> 00:22:27,698
Speaker 2: giving too much power to Mike Rabel, because that's his guy,

458
00:22:27,738 --> 00:22:30,098
Speaker 2: You're basically handing the building over to Mike Ramble at

459
00:22:30,098 --> 00:22:32,898
Speaker 2: that point. In order to give, you know, to avoid

460
00:22:33,378 --> 00:22:36,378
Speaker 2: giving up too much power to Mike Rabel, she changed

461
00:22:36,378 --> 00:22:39,418
Speaker 2: her mind and hired Ran Carthin And that was sort

462
00:22:39,458 --> 00:22:43,138
Speaker 2: of what caused the the House of cards, right like that,

463
00:22:43,138 --> 00:22:45,378
Speaker 2: that's sort of what caused it all to fall down

464
00:22:45,418 --> 00:22:49,258
Speaker 2: there in Tennessee. So from the outside looking in, this

465
00:22:49,298 --> 00:22:51,058
Speaker 2: looks like mister Kraft is saying.

466
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Speaker 3: We'll do it. Well, we'll give you the keys, and

467
00:22:54,298 --> 00:22:56,138
Speaker 3: with Ryan Cadden, we're cool with that.

468
00:22:56,298 --> 00:22:59,498
Speaker 2: So that's the front office side of it. Before we

469
00:22:59,538 --> 00:23:02,098
Speaker 2: get into all the coordinators. Because I made a list,

470
00:23:02,138 --> 00:23:04,578
Speaker 2: you made a list. We all have names, and I

471
00:23:04,618 --> 00:23:06,738
Speaker 2: think you know it's it's super important to talk about.

472
00:23:07,138 --> 00:23:09,898
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473
00:23:09,898 --> 00:23:12,578
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474
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478
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479
00:23:27,858 --> 00:23:30,458
Speaker 2: before we open it up to the phones into the email,

480
00:23:31,258 --> 00:23:33,298
Speaker 2: which we have plenty of, I do want to talk

481
00:23:33,338 --> 00:23:36,258
Speaker 2: about offensive coordinator and where they go. Now, big big

482
00:23:36,298 --> 00:23:39,258
Speaker 2: news yesterday Patriots and Jason Tommy Reese goes back to

483
00:23:39,298 --> 00:23:42,338
Speaker 2: Cleveland as their offensive coordinator. So Tommy Reese is off

484
00:23:42,378 --> 00:23:45,458
Speaker 2: the board. Where do you would you like to see

485
00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:49,098
Speaker 2: them go with offensive coordinator? And I think it's kind

486
00:23:49,098 --> 00:23:51,298
Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniels verus the field right now for a

487
00:23:51,298 --> 00:23:51,978
Speaker 2: lot of people.

488
00:23:52,458 --> 00:23:55,298
Speaker 3: So how do you specifically feel about Josh.

489
00:23:55,498 --> 00:23:58,298
Speaker 4: So I'm still kind of where we were last week,

490
00:23:58,338 --> 00:24:00,058
Speaker 4: which is I'm not opposed to it. I don't think

491
00:24:00,058 --> 00:24:02,938
Speaker 4: he'd be a bad hire. I'm curious how much more

492
00:24:03,018 --> 00:24:06,898
Speaker 4: there is to the twenty twenty Cam Newton offense, because yeah,

493
00:24:06,938 --> 00:24:08,898
Speaker 4: I think they're basically gonna end up running a version.

494
00:24:08,938 --> 00:24:11,058
Speaker 4: They should run a version of that with Drake may

495
00:24:11,498 --> 00:24:14,098
Speaker 4: If Josh McDaniels is here, there's obviously the big plus.

496
00:24:14,098 --> 00:24:16,338
Speaker 4: He's not a flight risk. He's not going anywhere. You

497
00:24:16,378 --> 00:24:18,138
Speaker 4: have some security, you have some you know you're gonna

498
00:24:18,138 --> 00:24:21,538
Speaker 4: build continuity with him and Drake may Be. It'd be

499
00:24:21,578 --> 00:24:23,778
Speaker 4: a fine hire. I'm curious about some of those up

500
00:24:23,778 --> 00:24:26,178
Speaker 4: and coming guys I said last week, can he find

501
00:24:26,178 --> 00:24:29,018
Speaker 4: his own? Ben Johnson? I would still kind of poke around,

502
00:24:29,138 --> 00:24:31,778
Speaker 4: talk to talk to people in that world and see

503
00:24:31,778 --> 00:24:33,778
Speaker 4: if you find somebody you really believe in. I keep

504
00:24:33,818 --> 00:24:36,458
Speaker 4: getting them mixed up. Matt Mike, which one's in La

505
00:24:37,098 --> 00:24:38,498
Speaker 4: Mike Lafleur is an interesting one.

506
00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,898
Speaker 2: You get that mixed up to two names like Hars

507
00:24:41,938 --> 00:24:43,658
Speaker 2: either Okay.

508
00:24:43,698 --> 00:24:47,018
Speaker 3: The other one Mike l is the coordinator.

509
00:24:47,258 --> 00:24:49,418
Speaker 4: The other one Mike Reese threw this name out, Dave

510
00:24:49,498 --> 00:24:51,898
Speaker 4: rang Goon. I think it's the quarterbacks coach in LA. Yeah,

511
00:24:51,978 --> 00:24:56,778
Speaker 4: something like that past game who worked for Arthur Smith.

512
00:24:57,218 --> 00:25:00,218
Speaker 4: So there's a bit of a through line there. It

513
00:25:00,298 --> 00:25:03,378
Speaker 4: was interesting though, when I looked up, So I did

514
00:25:03,378 --> 00:25:06,058
Speaker 4: this whole thing before Mike Greable got fired, and I

515
00:25:06,098 --> 00:25:07,898
Speaker 4: posted on Sunday. You can read on ninety eight five

516
00:25:07,938 --> 00:25:10,298
Speaker 4: the sports on dot Com. It wasn't so much a

517
00:25:10,378 --> 00:25:13,898
Speaker 4: list of potential offensive coordinators. It's definitely part of it,

518
00:25:14,258 --> 00:25:15,818
Speaker 4: but it was more. And I was texting you during this,

519
00:25:15,818 --> 00:25:16,818
Speaker 4: I think you're got annoyed with.

520
00:25:16,738 --> 00:25:18,978
Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, because you were throwing out random names.

521
00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:26,417
Speaker 2: Well so it was Staley Barrett put everybody on the list,

522
00:25:26,418 --> 00:25:26,938
Speaker 2: fifty guys.

523
00:25:26,978 --> 00:25:29,338
Speaker 4: But this is my point. I was getting so sick

524
00:25:29,338 --> 00:25:31,818
Speaker 4: of the he's a Patriot guy, he's a Belichick guy.

525
00:25:31,898 --> 00:25:34,018
Speaker 4: He's not going to go outside the building. It was

526
00:25:34,098 --> 00:25:36,218
Speaker 4: kind of a gut response to that take. And then

527
00:25:36,258 --> 00:25:38,858
Speaker 4: will you need a pipeline offensive coordinator? Take to just

528
00:25:38,898 --> 00:25:42,178
Speaker 4: be like, hey, here's all the offensive coaches he's been

529
00:25:42,178 --> 00:25:47,818
Speaker 4: connected to. Thirty one names, on there. But when I

530
00:25:47,858 --> 00:25:50,218
Speaker 4: went through that list, like there's definitely some offensive there's

531
00:25:50,218 --> 00:25:52,738
Speaker 4: definitely some offense coordinators on there, whether it's Josh McDaniels,

532
00:25:52,738 --> 00:25:55,417
Speaker 4: whether it's Tim Kelly. I had Tommy Reese on there

533
00:25:55,418 --> 00:25:58,378
Speaker 4: that's now not happening. But the guys I found that

534
00:25:58,418 --> 00:26:01,738
Speaker 4: were really interesting were like the guys who are a

535
00:26:01,778 --> 00:26:03,978
Speaker 4: year or two away from being an offensive coordinator, the

536
00:26:03,978 --> 00:26:06,218
Speaker 4: guys that need maybe one more job to round out

537
00:26:06,258 --> 00:26:08,898
Speaker 4: the resume and be an offensive coordinator. Whether that's a

538
00:26:08,898 --> 00:26:11,498
Speaker 4: guy liked Staley in Cleveland, who I think was a

539
00:26:11,618 --> 00:26:14,618
Speaker 4: top offensive candiate coordinator candidate at one point and I

540
00:26:14,618 --> 00:26:16,898
Speaker 4: don't know whatever happened to that. But a guy like

541
00:26:16,978 --> 00:26:21,658
Speaker 4: Duce Staley, a guy like Luke Steckel, who's his backrouandsitioning.

542
00:26:21,698 --> 00:26:24,018
Speaker 4: He's coached a bunch of different positions, been a bunch

543
00:26:24,018 --> 00:26:27,178
Speaker 4: of different places. He's the Raiders tight ends coach last year, right,

544
00:26:27,258 --> 00:26:28,418
Speaker 4: heller brock Bauers.

545
00:26:28,498 --> 00:26:31,018
Speaker 3: He was in Tennessee at some point, so kept him.

546
00:26:30,898 --> 00:26:33,458
Speaker 4: In Tennessee, which he's always telling to me. Coach comes in,

547
00:26:33,898 --> 00:26:36,818
Speaker 4: looks at the staff, ninety percent of those guys getting

548
00:26:36,858 --> 00:26:42,098
Speaker 4: blown out. He kept Luke Steckel, So that tells me something. J. T.

549
00:26:42,178 --> 00:26:44,218
Speaker 4: Barrett was another one. He was on the on the

550
00:26:44,258 --> 00:26:46,578
Speaker 4: staff of Lions when Barrett was at Ohio State. Right,

551
00:26:46,578 --> 00:26:49,298
Speaker 4: you want a little day Ben Johnson flavor. J T.

552
00:26:49,378 --> 00:26:52,298
Speaker 4: Barrett is the assistant quarterbacks coach in Detroit. You bring

553
00:26:52,338 --> 00:26:54,378
Speaker 4: him in as the quarterbacks coach and maybe kind of

554
00:26:54,418 --> 00:26:56,458
Speaker 4: get him going. So if you hire a guy like

555
00:26:56,538 --> 00:26:59,938
Speaker 4: a Lafleur or like one of these up and coming names,

556
00:26:59,938 --> 00:27:02,018
Speaker 4: when he moves on. Now you have J. T. Barrett,

557
00:27:02,018 --> 00:27:03,538
Speaker 4: Now you have Luke Steckell. Now you have one of

558
00:27:03,538 --> 00:27:06,338
Speaker 4: these guys that's ready to become your offensive coordinator. So

559
00:27:06,898 --> 00:27:09,018
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I think it's McDaniels against the field.

560
00:27:09,738 --> 00:27:12,218
Speaker 4: If it is McDaniels instead of the pipeline. The next

561
00:27:12,218 --> 00:27:15,978
Speaker 4: big question is wide receivers coach. Wes Welker is obviously

562
00:27:16,018 --> 00:27:17,938
Speaker 4: the name that comes to mind. He was teammates with

563
00:27:18,018 --> 00:27:24,218
Speaker 4: Hines Ward in Pittsburgh before Rabel, before he came here.

564
00:27:24,418 --> 00:27:27,298
Speaker 4: Hines Ward's now wide receivers coach at Arizona State. They

565
00:27:27,338 --> 00:27:29,778
Speaker 4: have some they're all underclassmen, so nobody knows them because

566
00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:31,058
Speaker 4: they're not in the draft here. But they have some

567
00:27:31,138 --> 00:27:33,458
Speaker 4: up and coming wide receivers. That's a guy'd be interested

568
00:27:33,458 --> 00:27:35,138
Speaker 4: in bringing in. I don't know how connected he is

569
00:27:35,178 --> 00:27:38,178
Speaker 4: to Sean Jefferson. That's another name though. If it's if

570
00:27:38,178 --> 00:27:41,338
Speaker 4: it's McDaniels, I'm looking at wide receivers coach. If it's not,

571
00:27:41,378 --> 00:27:43,338
Speaker 4: you're looking at that pipeline. But there's some really good

572
00:27:43,418 --> 00:27:44,498
Speaker 4: pipeline names out there.

573
00:27:44,858 --> 00:27:48,298
Speaker 2: So my first of all, I'm a huge fan of

574
00:27:48,378 --> 00:27:52,458
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. Yeah, And I don't mean to like put

575
00:27:52,458 --> 00:27:56,378
Speaker 2: my nose up to people right now, but I can

576
00:27:56,418 --> 00:27:58,458
Speaker 2: tell a lot of people that are negative on Josh

577
00:27:58,578 --> 00:28:02,658
Speaker 2: McDaniels don't necessarily think the game through like the lens

578
00:28:02,658 --> 00:28:05,098
Speaker 2: of a coach, because I can tell you talking to

579
00:28:05,178 --> 00:28:08,698
Speaker 2: coaches around the league, Josh McDaniels is a mother to

580
00:28:08,738 --> 00:28:09,218
Speaker 2: go up again.

581
00:28:09,338 --> 00:28:12,058
Speaker 4: So I'll say this about Josh McDaniels, and you tell

582
00:28:12,098 --> 00:28:14,298
Speaker 4: me if I'm off base. There are things he does

583
00:28:14,338 --> 00:28:17,618
Speaker 4: as an offensive coordinator that bug me certainly. Yeah, I'll

584
00:28:17,618 --> 00:28:20,698
Speaker 4: take those things though, Like, I'll deal with that, Like

585
00:28:21,258 --> 00:28:24,298
Speaker 4: his play sequencing gets annoying sometimes obviously the third long

586
00:28:24,338 --> 00:28:27,858
Speaker 4: shotgun runs, like sometimes he feels a little situationally conservative.

587
00:28:28,258 --> 00:28:31,658
Speaker 4: I'll deal with that for all the positives he brings

588
00:28:32,578 --> 00:28:35,658
Speaker 4: versus like most of like some of these stuff other

589
00:28:35,658 --> 00:28:37,657
Speaker 4: offense coordinators do where they just get too cute with

590
00:28:37,698 --> 00:28:41,258
Speaker 4: it or this and that. McDaniels isn't perfect, but when

591
00:28:41,298 --> 00:28:43,138
Speaker 4: you actually step back and look at the big picture,

592
00:28:43,298 --> 00:28:46,698
Speaker 4: the stuff that it annoys you about him is really

593
00:28:46,778 --> 00:28:51,138
Speaker 4: not that bad because he compensates for it so significantly

594
00:28:51,138 --> 00:28:51,738
Speaker 4: in other ways.

595
00:28:51,858 --> 00:28:57,258
Speaker 2: He's an excellent, excellent coordinator. He's not a good head coach.

596
00:28:57,378 --> 00:28:59,138
Speaker 2: We know that, but we're not hiring, right, those are

597
00:28:59,178 --> 00:29:01,058
Speaker 2: two different things. I hire him to be the head Guys, we.

598
00:29:01,018 --> 00:29:03,738
Speaker 4: Discussed last week, we're hiring somebody to be the head coach.

599
00:29:03,898 --> 00:29:06,178
Speaker 4: He became the head coach. Now you're hiring somebody to

600
00:29:06,178 --> 00:29:07,858
Speaker 4: be the head coordinator. That person is not going to

601
00:29:07,898 --> 00:29:08,378
Speaker 4: be the head.

602
00:29:08,418 --> 00:29:10,578
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's a really good coordinator.

603
00:29:10,738 --> 00:29:14,938
Speaker 2: I think the biggest things with McDaniel's his experience is really,

604
00:29:16,218 --> 00:29:19,338
Speaker 2: I guess just comforting in a way a lot like

605
00:29:19,738 --> 00:29:25,458
Speaker 2: Rabel's experience is comforting because you're handing this coordinator a

606
00:29:25,498 --> 00:29:30,138
Speaker 2: twenty two year old franchise potential quarterback, right, and Drake

607
00:29:30,218 --> 00:29:33,138
Speaker 2: May has all of the bells and whistles to be

608
00:29:33,178 --> 00:29:35,338
Speaker 2: a great quarterback in this league. But he's not a

609
00:29:35,378 --> 00:29:38,338
Speaker 2: finished product. He still has a ways to go. He

610
00:29:38,378 --> 00:29:40,978
Speaker 2: still has to you know, figure out that line to

611
00:29:41,018 --> 00:29:43,538
Speaker 2: cut down on turnovers and but still be aggressive. Was

612
00:29:43,578 --> 00:29:45,018
Speaker 2: it aggressive but not reckless?

613
00:29:45,178 --> 00:29:47,818
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he said, you said with the math.

614
00:29:47,858 --> 00:29:49,898
Speaker 4: That made me feel things when I heard a great

615
00:29:49,898 --> 00:29:51,778
Speaker 4: How many times have I come on the show, Evan,

616
00:29:51,978 --> 00:29:54,858
Speaker 4: whether we're talking about Drake may or some other quarterback instead,

617
00:29:54,898 --> 00:29:57,058
Speaker 4: aggressive but not recons so aggressive?

618
00:29:57,418 --> 00:29:59,978
Speaker 3: That was a great You know, he still has ways

619
00:30:00,018 --> 00:30:01,138
Speaker 3: to go in those types of things.

620
00:30:01,178 --> 00:30:03,418
Speaker 2: I still think he has a ways to go in

621
00:30:03,778 --> 00:30:05,978
Speaker 2: certain things mentally too, you know, in terms of reading

622
00:30:06,018 --> 00:30:08,298
Speaker 2: coverage and uh setting you know, things at the line

623
00:30:08,338 --> 00:30:10,218
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and all, you know, all things that young

624
00:30:10,298 --> 00:30:12,738
Speaker 2: quarterbacks have to learn. Like, I'm not saying that Drake

625
00:30:12,858 --> 00:30:17,338
Speaker 2: is behind or like different than other guys.

626
00:30:16,738 --> 00:30:18,258
Speaker 3: It's just right.

627
00:30:18,298 --> 00:30:20,978
Speaker 2: So there's still ways to go there. So as much

628
00:30:21,018 --> 00:30:24,738
Speaker 2: as I would be excited about a Josh McCown or

629
00:30:24,778 --> 00:30:28,138
Speaker 2: excited about bringing back a Nick Keyley, who I think

630
00:30:28,178 --> 00:30:32,018
Speaker 2: has a great mix of of old and new, right,

631
00:30:32,058 --> 00:30:33,898
Speaker 2: you know, he can surrun some of the Patriots stuff

632
00:30:33,938 --> 00:30:36,578
Speaker 2: that they ran for years that was successful, but meld

633
00:30:36,618 --> 00:30:39,898
Speaker 2: it with the mcveay stuff like, that's obviously extremely intriguing.

634
00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:42,658
Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak is the name that people have thrown out

635
00:30:42,698 --> 00:30:46,618
Speaker 2: that is from the Shanahan Gary Kubiak obviously his father.

636
00:30:46,818 --> 00:30:50,538
Speaker 2: You know, like those guys like they're intriguing guys. Tommy

637
00:30:50,578 --> 00:30:54,618
Speaker 2: Reese was an intriguing candidate. But all these guys you're handing,

638
00:30:54,658 --> 00:30:57,138
Speaker 2: you know, Nick Keyley for example, just to use him,

639
00:30:57,298 --> 00:31:00,338
Speaker 2: Nick Kelly has never coached quarterbacks before. So you're handing

640
00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:03,618
Speaker 2: a second year quarterback in a big pivotal year of

641
00:31:03,658 --> 00:31:06,258
Speaker 2: his development to an offensive guy. It's not Matt Patricia,

642
00:31:06,618 --> 00:31:09,378
Speaker 2: but you're handing him to a guy that's never coached

643
00:31:09,418 --> 00:31:09,818
Speaker 2: the position.

644
00:31:09,898 --> 00:31:15,578
Speaker 4: Now, quarterbacks coach becomes incredibly important. And right that's where

645
00:31:15,618 --> 00:31:17,738
Speaker 4: I liked Reese, though I wouldn't put Reese quite in

646
00:31:17,738 --> 00:31:19,418
Speaker 4: that group because he is a quarterback.

647
00:31:19,018 --> 00:31:20,258
Speaker 3: Guy, but he didn't coach.

648
00:31:20,338 --> 00:31:24,098
Speaker 2: He coached quarterbacks in college. He coached tight ends last

649
00:31:24,138 --> 00:31:25,418
Speaker 2: year for the Brown.

650
00:31:25,738 --> 00:31:26,778
Speaker 4: He is a quarterback back.

651
00:31:26,898 --> 00:31:29,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is a quarterback, you know, yeah, not

652
00:31:29,258 --> 00:31:30,578
Speaker 3: a good one, but he was a quarter Oh.

653
00:31:30,578 --> 00:31:33,138
Speaker 4: Look, Jalen Milroe had his best season under Reese And

654
00:31:33,178 --> 00:31:35,818
Speaker 4: I know some people breaking down on Jalen Millship.

655
00:31:35,418 --> 00:31:36,178
Speaker 3: As sales, but.

656
00:31:37,658 --> 00:31:40,378
Speaker 2: I just he's thirty two years old, Okay, Like he's

657
00:31:40,418 --> 00:31:43,218
Speaker 2: a young guy. Josh McDaniels, you don't worry about any

658
00:31:43,258 --> 00:31:45,258
Speaker 2: of that. Josh McDaniels is called plays in this league

659
00:31:45,298 --> 00:31:48,138
Speaker 2: for two decades. He's worked with all sorts of quarterbacks

660
00:31:48,138 --> 00:31:50,298
Speaker 2: that I understand that. You know, he has had varying

661
00:31:50,338 --> 00:31:53,058
Speaker 2: degrees of success outside of Brady, some of it not

662
00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:56,338
Speaker 2: so good, but he's worked with a bunch of different qbs.

663
00:31:56,938 --> 00:32:00,738
Speaker 2: You mentioned the camm Newton offense in twenty twenty. Do

664
00:32:00,818 --> 00:32:03,418
Speaker 2: I want Drake running like Cam Newton? No, because that

665
00:32:03,458 --> 00:32:06,338
Speaker 2: Cam Newton's a different type of athlete, right, he's six six,

666
00:32:06,338 --> 00:32:08,018
Speaker 2: two d and fifty.

667
00:32:08,458 --> 00:32:10,338
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's a different type of dude. So you're

668
00:32:10,338 --> 00:32:11,858
Speaker 3: not going to be ramming Drake.

669
00:32:11,698 --> 00:32:14,098
Speaker 2: May into the line of scrimmage on the goal line

670
00:32:14,138 --> 00:32:15,338
Speaker 2: like you were with Cam Newton.

671
00:32:15,338 --> 00:32:17,098
Speaker 4: Could you use Joe Milton as a package player and

672
00:32:17,178 --> 00:32:19,498
Speaker 4: May stop part of the offense, But no, I'm dead serious,

673
00:32:19,538 --> 00:32:21,938
Speaker 4: Like that's something Josh would do too. Maybe can you

674
00:32:21,938 --> 00:32:24,418
Speaker 4: have a Joe Milton package where you put him in there?

675
00:32:24,418 --> 00:32:26,298
Speaker 4: And they go in that full house formation they had

676
00:32:26,298 --> 00:32:28,058
Speaker 4: with Cam and when you're on the goal lineer, it's

677
00:32:28,058 --> 00:32:30,458
Speaker 4: third and one and you run that stuff like Josh

678
00:32:30,538 --> 00:32:32,658
Speaker 4: would do that. That to me seems like something Josh

679
00:32:32,698 --> 00:32:34,138
Speaker 4: would do that. I don't know that some of these

680
00:32:34,138 --> 00:32:35,738
Speaker 4: other guys would do. They get cute and put like

681
00:32:35,738 --> 00:32:38,698
Speaker 4: the right tackle back there or something. So no like that.

682
00:32:39,218 --> 00:32:40,938
Speaker 4: It's it's good to bring up because there is some

683
00:32:41,058 --> 00:32:41,738
Speaker 4: relevance there.

684
00:32:41,938 --> 00:32:46,698
Speaker 2: So my point being with McDaniels, if you're somebody that's like, oh,

685
00:32:46,738 --> 00:32:49,698
Speaker 2: his offense is archaic, you know, it's his Stone age offense,

686
00:32:49,738 --> 00:32:52,338
Speaker 2: and is he gonna be able to do some of

687
00:32:52,378 --> 00:32:55,058
Speaker 2: the things that these new offensive coordinators like I heard

688
00:32:55,138 --> 00:32:58,658
Speaker 2: Dan Rolovsky talking about, you know, the new age RPOs,

689
00:32:58,778 --> 00:33:00,978
Speaker 2: the four by ones, like all that kind of stuff.

690
00:33:01,178 --> 00:33:02,898
Speaker 3: I would urge you to go watch.

691
00:33:02,658 --> 00:33:05,178
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty Patriots, and I understand the twenty twenty

692
00:33:05,178 --> 00:33:09,218
Speaker 2: Patriots fell apart and their offense wasn't great in terms of.

693
00:33:09,138 --> 00:33:10,498
Speaker 3: The production much as anything else.

694
00:33:10,578 --> 00:33:13,858
Speaker 2: But he had Cam Newton who couldn't throw anymore, and

695
00:33:13,898 --> 00:33:16,578
Speaker 2: he had demere Bird as his top outside receiver.

696
00:33:17,218 --> 00:33:18,578
Speaker 3: He did not have a ton of.

697
00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:20,738
Speaker 2: Talent, was Ryan Is the top tight end. Ryan Is

698
00:33:20,978 --> 00:33:22,738
Speaker 2: was the top tight end. Like they didn't have a

699
00:33:22,778 --> 00:33:26,338
Speaker 2: ton of talent on that team. And the number one

700
00:33:26,378 --> 00:33:29,858
Speaker 2: thing that I would point to, they were eighth in

701
00:33:29,898 --> 00:33:32,778
Speaker 2: the league and rushing the football that year. They were

702
00:33:32,778 --> 00:33:36,098
Speaker 2: a top ten rushing offense in twenty twenty with Cam Newton.

703
00:33:36,498 --> 00:33:40,538
Speaker 2: So that shows me that he has the chops and

704
00:33:40,578 --> 00:33:43,658
Speaker 2: he has it in his rolodecks on his menu. To

705
00:33:43,658 --> 00:33:46,578
Speaker 2: be able to run design quarterback run, to be able

706
00:33:46,618 --> 00:33:51,458
Speaker 2: to run RPO, to be able to run different gun variations.

707
00:33:51,498 --> 00:33:54,778
Speaker 2: That all we're really talking about is making yourself more

708
00:33:54,818 --> 00:33:57,418
Speaker 2: efficient in the gun because a lot of these young

709
00:33:57,498 --> 00:34:00,618
Speaker 2: quarterbacks don't want to play from under center. So in

710
00:34:00,698 --> 00:34:03,738
Speaker 2: order to make more out of the gun, you have

711
00:34:03,818 --> 00:34:06,018
Speaker 2: to be more scheme diverse. You can't just have him

712
00:34:06,058 --> 00:34:07,738
Speaker 2: drop back pass from the gun all the time like

713
00:34:07,738 --> 00:34:08,498
Speaker 2: he's Tom Brady.

714
00:34:08,698 --> 00:34:09,537
Speaker 3: It's not gonna work.

715
00:34:09,777 --> 00:34:12,538
Speaker 2: So you have to add in things like window dressing,

716
00:34:12,698 --> 00:34:16,778
Speaker 2: like motion, like read option, like RPO, all these different

717
00:34:16,777 --> 00:34:20,658
Speaker 2: bells and whistles that teams use with Josh Allen, Jaden Daniels,

718
00:34:21,218 --> 00:34:23,977
Speaker 2: you know, go on, Lamar Jackson, Like that's how you

719
00:34:24,098 --> 00:34:27,138
Speaker 2: make it easier for the quarterback, So he's not Brady

720
00:34:27,378 --> 00:34:30,138
Speaker 2: coming to the line of scrimmage looking at the defense,

721
00:34:30,578 --> 00:34:33,618
Speaker 2: checking the play, making a perfect throw. Like, we don't

722
00:34:33,618 --> 00:34:35,377
Speaker 2: have to do all that stuff because we have all

723
00:34:35,418 --> 00:34:39,098
Speaker 2: this other scheme related we're weaponizing the scheme with all

724
00:34:39,138 --> 00:34:43,378
Speaker 2: this other stuff. And I wouldn't jump to the conclusion

725
00:34:44,178 --> 00:34:46,978
Speaker 2: that McDaniels doesn't have the ability to do that, but

726
00:34:47,018 --> 00:34:49,618
Speaker 2: he just hasn't had the quarterback to do it with

727
00:34:49,938 --> 00:34:53,218
Speaker 2: other than Cam. Right, you're not going to move the

728
00:34:53,258 --> 00:34:56,898
Speaker 2: pocket with Tom Brady, no, right, Like you're not going

729
00:34:56,978 --> 00:34:58,698
Speaker 2: to run a lot of boots and a lot of

730
00:34:58,978 --> 00:35:02,618
Speaker 2: movement plays when you have Tom Brady as your quarterback.

731
00:35:03,018 --> 00:35:04,898
Speaker 2: And this isn't a knock on Brady because he did

732
00:35:04,898 --> 00:35:07,018
Speaker 2: a million other things amazing, right, but it just wasn't

733
00:35:07,058 --> 00:35:10,698
Speaker 2: a stylistically different right, So I was, you know, just

734
00:35:10,818 --> 00:35:16,098
Speaker 2: with McDaniels, he hasn't necessarily had a quarterback that has

735
00:35:16,098 --> 00:35:18,098
Speaker 2: the skill set of Drake May that has that kind

736
00:35:18,138 --> 00:35:20,378
Speaker 2: of tools. If you wanted to like put together the

737
00:35:20,458 --> 00:35:23,058
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that he worked with, it was like Cam Newton's

738
00:35:23,138 --> 00:35:25,458
Speaker 2: legs with you know, like you know, a good arm

739
00:35:25,538 --> 00:35:27,817
Speaker 2: talent quarterback from the pocket. Then like maybe you could

740
00:35:27,818 --> 00:35:30,098
Speaker 2: do it that way, but he's never had the complete

741
00:35:30,098 --> 00:35:33,218
Speaker 2: package in terms of what everything is on the menu. Now,

742
00:35:33,378 --> 00:35:35,538
Speaker 2: you know, you can run him, he can throw the ball,

743
00:35:35,778 --> 00:35:37,698
Speaker 2: you can move him out of the pocket, like you

744
00:35:37,738 --> 00:35:40,338
Speaker 2: can do anything you really want to do. And I

745
00:35:40,378 --> 00:35:43,058
Speaker 2: watch a lot of the twenty twenty McDaniel's offense over

746
00:35:43,058 --> 00:35:45,898
Speaker 2: the last couple of days with Cam. I saw a

747
00:35:45,938 --> 00:35:48,378
Speaker 2: little bit of the Raiders offense. There's more of that

748
00:35:48,538 --> 00:35:54,458
Speaker 2: stuff in his playbook that you just didn't call because

749
00:35:54,498 --> 00:35:56,698
Speaker 2: it wasn't what you were ordering off the menu. With

750
00:35:56,778 --> 00:36:00,058
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks he was working with, then maybe meets the eye,

751
00:36:00,178 --> 00:36:02,498
Speaker 2: so as you can tell by all, like I would

752
00:36:02,578 --> 00:36:06,258
Speaker 2: hire Josh McDaniels for this position. I just I really

753
00:36:06,258 --> 00:36:09,858
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with McDaniels. You mentioned some of his awards,

754
00:36:09,858 --> 00:36:13,498
Speaker 2: Like he's not perfect. I don't think that he's the

755
00:36:13,538 --> 00:36:18,098
Speaker 2: most you know, motion heavy coordinator. You know, he runs

756
00:36:18,138 --> 00:36:20,098
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a stagnant offense at least

757
00:36:20,138 --> 00:36:22,338
Speaker 2: what he did you know with the Patriots and with

758
00:36:22,618 --> 00:36:25,738
Speaker 2: the Raiders recently. But the one thing that really stands

759
00:36:25,738 --> 00:36:29,898
Speaker 2: out to me is he's got that ability to take

760
00:36:29,938 --> 00:36:33,538
Speaker 2: the twenty two to Cam Newton offense. Yeah, twenty twenty

761
00:36:33,618 --> 00:36:37,338
Speaker 2: Cam Newton offense with like the rookie year Mac Jones

762
00:36:37,418 --> 00:36:38,658
Speaker 2: and like a little bit of what he did in

763
00:36:38,738 --> 00:36:41,898
Speaker 2: Vegas in twenty two and put those two things together.

764
00:36:42,178 --> 00:36:44,658
Speaker 2: So now you have the drop back pass game of

765
00:36:44,858 --> 00:36:47,538
Speaker 2: a Mac Jones of a Derek Carr with the run

766
00:36:47,578 --> 00:36:50,578
Speaker 2: game of a Cam Newton, and that's really intrigued. Like that,

767
00:36:50,738 --> 00:36:53,458
Speaker 2: If that's the way that they go, that's really intriguing.

768
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:56,937
Speaker 2: And you're giving your young quarterback to an experienced guy

769
00:36:57,138 --> 00:36:59,618
Speaker 2: who were not worried about he's never called plays before,

770
00:36:59,658 --> 00:37:02,058
Speaker 2: he's never worked with quarterbacks before, he's never coordinated in

771
00:37:02,058 --> 00:37:04,938
Speaker 2: an offense before. We're not worried about any of those things.

772
00:37:04,978 --> 00:37:07,458
Speaker 2: Like last year it was always Alex Van Pelts never

773
00:37:07,498 --> 00:37:10,258
Speaker 2: called plays, So we're worried about that, right, we're worried

774
00:37:10,258 --> 00:37:12,498
Speaker 2: about that sort of thing. If you hired a Josh

775
00:37:12,618 --> 00:37:16,218
Speaker 2: McCown type pants guy, it's exciting. He's the new guy, right,

776
00:37:16,258 --> 00:37:20,218
Speaker 2: he's a guy in town. He's never coordinated an offense before.

777
00:37:20,738 --> 00:37:23,658
Speaker 2: So we don't know. We don't know how much of

778
00:37:23,698 --> 00:37:26,058
Speaker 2: that offense is Kevin O'Connell. Probably a lot of it.

779
00:37:26,098 --> 00:37:29,058
Speaker 4: Do you think they could drag mccount away in a

780
00:37:29,138 --> 00:37:31,498
Speaker 4: lateral move. I would love from as the quarterbacks coach.

781
00:37:31,578 --> 00:37:33,538
Speaker 2: So the issue, you know, with a lot of this,

782
00:37:33,658 --> 00:37:36,098
Speaker 2: and you know when we start to put together staffs

783
00:37:36,138 --> 00:37:41,138
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, it's not impossible, but we're crossing.

784
00:37:41,258 --> 00:37:44,658
Speaker 2: We're crossing languages here, right, Like Josh McDaniels will be

785
00:37:44,738 --> 00:37:46,658
Speaker 2: ep guy. Right, he's gonna come in and run aera

786
00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:50,218
Speaker 2: Harp Perkins. Josh McCown is a West Coast Tree type

787
00:37:50,218 --> 00:37:53,018
Speaker 2: of guy, right, Kevin O'Connell, you know, same thing would

788
00:37:53,098 --> 00:37:56,098
Speaker 2: would be said for a lot of those guys that

789
00:37:56,218 --> 00:37:58,218
Speaker 2: you know, Clint Koobiak, you know, any one of these

790
00:37:58,258 --> 00:38:01,778
Speaker 2: guys that we've thrown out. So if you want to

791
00:38:01,818 --> 00:38:05,458
Speaker 2: stick to the EP system and the roots of the

792
00:38:05,498 --> 00:38:08,298
Speaker 2: McDaniels system, then you got to get McDaniel's guys to

793
00:38:08,338 --> 00:38:10,338
Speaker 2: coming coach quarterbacks, right, you got to get guys that

794
00:38:10,418 --> 00:38:12,058
Speaker 2: understand j Bart come in there.

795
00:38:12,818 --> 00:38:13,578
Speaker 3: It's possible.

796
00:38:13,618 --> 00:38:16,298
Speaker 2: You know, Lions like run some stuff that is The

797
00:38:16,338 --> 00:38:18,817
Speaker 2: Lions offense is kind of Schmorgas port of everything. Yeah,

798
00:38:18,898 --> 00:38:20,298
Speaker 2: you know, it's a little bit of RAMS, it's a

799
00:38:20,338 --> 00:38:22,258
Speaker 2: little bit of EP in terms of their protections and

800
00:38:22,298 --> 00:38:26,138
Speaker 2: their rules up front, so you could maybe do something

801
00:38:26,218 --> 00:38:28,098
Speaker 2: like that. I hear what you're saying. No, like a

802
00:38:28,178 --> 00:38:31,298
Speaker 2: kind of younger, more up and coming. Yeah, good, be

803
00:38:31,378 --> 00:38:32,098
Speaker 2: underneath Josh.

804
00:38:32,138 --> 00:38:33,498
Speaker 4: So let me give you two more names that I'm

805
00:38:33,498 --> 00:38:35,578
Speaker 4: curious about. I don't know how realistic either of these are,

806
00:38:35,618 --> 00:38:36,778
Speaker 4: but I think they're worth discussing.

807
00:38:37,018 --> 00:38:38,058
Speaker 3: Yeah.

808
00:38:38,138 --> 00:38:43,138
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien is obviously at BC Zano Chefter a couple

809
00:38:43,178 --> 00:38:45,418
Speaker 4: weeks ago said he likes it there, but he didn't

810
00:38:45,458 --> 00:38:48,018
Speaker 4: like entirely rule out that he wouldn't take a call

811
00:38:48,058 --> 00:38:50,778
Speaker 4: from the NFL called right in to talk to Rabel

812
00:38:50,818 --> 00:38:54,698
Speaker 4: and EEI the other day. That one's kind of interesting

813
00:38:54,738 --> 00:38:57,377
Speaker 4: to me, And that wouldn't be with Josh. That would

814
00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:59,858
Speaker 4: be I mean, you're hiring his offense coordinator. And the

815
00:38:59,938 --> 00:39:02,178
Speaker 4: other one is where's alex man Pelton? All this? He's

816
00:39:02,218 --> 00:39:04,258
Speaker 4: not going back to Cleveland. We know that because Tommy

817
00:39:04,298 --> 00:39:08,178
Speaker 4: Reese is there. Is he gonna get another offense coordinator job?

818
00:39:08,378 --> 00:39:11,578
Speaker 4: Which I think he could, but if he doesn't, and

819
00:39:11,618 --> 00:39:15,218
Speaker 4: I know you talked about crossing languages, but part of

820
00:39:15,218 --> 00:39:18,498
Speaker 4: me is like, I just think Van Pelt's a fantastic teacher. Yeah, right,

821
00:39:18,978 --> 00:39:23,618
Speaker 4: that's a great teacher, So could you have him? Could

822
00:39:23,618 --> 00:39:25,338
Speaker 4: you kind of lock him in a room with McDaniels

823
00:39:25,338 --> 00:39:28,258
Speaker 4: for a week, have McDaniel's drill everything to him, and

824
00:39:28,298 --> 00:39:30,258
Speaker 4: now he gets to keep working with Drake may on

825
00:39:30,298 --> 00:39:32,538
Speaker 4: some the technique stuff and some of the fundamental stuff.

826
00:39:32,698 --> 00:39:35,458
Speaker 4: But would he take a demotion here or at that

827
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:36,938
Speaker 4: point is it Well, I'm going to be a quarterbacks

828
00:39:36,938 --> 00:39:38,898
Speaker 4: coach him to go somewhere else, so it's not a demotion.

829
00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:41,138
Speaker 4: Like to get what I'm saying, where does he fit

830
00:39:41,218 --> 00:39:41,538
Speaker 4: in all this?

831
00:39:41,778 --> 00:39:42,138
Speaker 3: I do.

832
00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:47,377
Speaker 2: My concern with mixing guys from different trees is that

833
00:39:48,258 --> 00:39:51,858
Speaker 2: a lot of the way that these offenses are designed.

834
00:39:51,898 --> 00:39:53,498
Speaker 2: It's not so much that I don't think Alex van

835
00:39:53,578 --> 00:39:57,498
Speaker 2: Pel could learn the verbiage of Josh mcdaniels's playbook, but

836
00:39:57,658 --> 00:40:00,857
Speaker 2: a lot of the way these offenses are designed are

837
00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:05,458
Speaker 2: so that the quarterback mechanics tie together with the offense. Right,

838
00:40:05,538 --> 00:40:08,658
Speaker 2: so like the left foot forward stuff and the rhythmic

839
00:40:08,698 --> 00:40:10,698
Speaker 2: of the passing game in the West Coast offense that

840
00:40:12,458 --> 00:40:15,538
Speaker 2: AVP runs, all of that is tied together to the

841
00:40:15,618 --> 00:40:17,378
Speaker 2: routes so that they're tethered together.

842
00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:20,098
Speaker 3: So his drop back is timed up with his reads

843
00:40:20,098 --> 00:40:20,698
Speaker 3: and the routes.

844
00:40:20,938 --> 00:40:23,258
Speaker 2: So now when you start to rewrite all of that,

845
00:40:23,738 --> 00:40:27,658
Speaker 2: it starts to change in terms of like the timing

846
00:40:27,858 --> 00:40:30,898
Speaker 2: of everything starts to change, you know, the cadence, timing,

847
00:40:30,938 --> 00:40:35,018
Speaker 2: the drop back. So if he's gonna if McDaniels is

848
00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:39,218
Speaker 2: coming here, it's gonna change all of that stuff.

849
00:40:39,298 --> 00:40:40,458
Speaker 3: So you're not really.

850
00:40:40,218 --> 00:40:43,698
Speaker 2: Doing AVP it's work anymore. You understand what I'm like,

851
00:40:43,738 --> 00:40:47,378
Speaker 2: I'm getting at. Yeah, So with AVP, I guess like

852
00:40:47,498 --> 00:40:49,658
Speaker 2: my question was, is and I wrote this when I

853
00:40:49,698 --> 00:40:53,698
Speaker 2: wrote My coordinators before candidates, before Reese took the Browns job,

854
00:40:54,138 --> 00:40:57,138
Speaker 2: is like, would you hire a guy like Tommy Reese

855
00:40:57,618 --> 00:41:01,378
Speaker 2: as the offensive coordinator and then try to convince Alex

856
00:41:01,418 --> 00:41:04,298
Speaker 2: van Pelt to stay on as like a senior offensive

857
00:41:04,378 --> 00:41:06,258
Speaker 2: like in the van mcadee role, right, like, as like

858
00:41:06,258 --> 00:41:09,857
Speaker 2: a senior offensive assistant work with Drake May. You're still

859
00:41:09,858 --> 00:41:11,978
Speaker 2: going to speak the West Coast language. So we're not

860
00:41:12,098 --> 00:41:15,738
Speaker 2: changing playbooks necessarily, We're just bringing in a Tommy Rees

861
00:41:15,858 --> 00:41:18,938
Speaker 2: to update and just kind of innovate the offense a

862
00:41:18,978 --> 00:41:21,418
Speaker 2: little bit, living up the scheme and the play design

863
00:41:21,458 --> 00:41:24,098
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Is there a possibility if you

864
00:41:24,098 --> 00:41:29,938
Speaker 2: want to go that direction of Clint Kubiak, Josh McCown,

865
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:34,458
Speaker 2: Nick Kayley, Mike Lafleur, like coming in and being the

866
00:41:34,978 --> 00:41:38,898
Speaker 2: tight pants guy with Alex van Pelt on their staff.

867
00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:41,377
Speaker 2: I think that would be more realistic and just based

868
00:41:41,418 --> 00:41:44,178
Speaker 2: off of what Rabel has done in the past, being

869
00:41:44,218 --> 00:41:47,698
Speaker 2: a West Coast offense basically all throughout Tennessee his time

870
00:41:47,698 --> 00:41:50,218
Speaker 2: with the Titans, that would make a lot of sense

871
00:41:50,258 --> 00:41:52,058
Speaker 2: to me. You know, you have to pitch Alex van

872
00:41:52,098 --> 00:41:52,658
Speaker 2: Pelt on it.

873
00:41:53,178 --> 00:41:53,777
Speaker 3: I don't know how.

874
00:41:55,458 --> 00:41:58,138
Speaker 4: It's just tough. If like, if I'm in his shoes,

875
00:41:58,178 --> 00:41:59,857
Speaker 4: what would I do? It's tough to say.

876
00:42:00,338 --> 00:42:02,098
Speaker 2: So he can't go back to Cleveland or you know,

877
00:42:02,218 --> 00:42:04,058
Speaker 2: you don't think that he can go back to Cleveland.

878
00:42:04,098 --> 00:42:05,058
Speaker 3: I'm sure he could go back to.

879
00:42:05,058 --> 00:42:07,058
Speaker 2: Cleveland as a position coach or something like that if

880
00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:09,898
Speaker 2: he really wanted to, but that's sort of off the table.

881
00:42:11,338 --> 00:42:13,418
Speaker 2: Where else would you like? Maybe back to Green Bay?

882
00:42:13,538 --> 00:42:15,258
Speaker 2: You know, you know, where else are you going?

883
00:42:15,258 --> 00:42:16,498
Speaker 4: You got to look at it in the track. I mean,

884
00:42:16,538 --> 00:42:19,138
Speaker 4: just assuming that he wants to be a head coach, right,

885
00:42:19,138 --> 00:42:21,738
Speaker 4: because that's what the majority of these guys want, and

886
00:42:21,938 --> 00:42:23,338
Speaker 4: I don't I know, he's a little bit older. I

887
00:42:23,338 --> 00:42:25,297
Speaker 4: don't think he's at the age where he like, it's

888
00:42:25,298 --> 00:42:27,018
Speaker 4: not like seventy right, and it's like, well, I'm gonna

889
00:42:27,018 --> 00:42:30,337
Speaker 4: be a coordinator. That's just it. You know what gets

890
00:42:30,338 --> 00:42:33,658
Speaker 4: you closer to head coach? Is it? Because there's there's

891
00:42:33,698 --> 00:42:37,018
Speaker 4: the image that the league is going to have if

892
00:42:37,018 --> 00:42:38,698
Speaker 4: you take what might be a demotion here to go

893
00:42:38,698 --> 00:42:41,258
Speaker 4: to quarterbacks coach, if you go somewhere else and be

894
00:42:41,298 --> 00:42:43,898
Speaker 4: a quarterbacks coach, well, now you've taken you haven't directly

895
00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:46,418
Speaker 4: taken atomotion, but you're gonna have the same success elsewhere

896
00:42:46,458 --> 00:42:48,777
Speaker 4: without Drake May What quarterback you're gonna be working with?

897
00:42:49,578 --> 00:42:51,418
Speaker 4: Do you go out in the league and do you

898
00:42:51,418 --> 00:42:53,058
Speaker 4: go do media for a year or two and then

899
00:42:53,098 --> 00:42:54,817
Speaker 4: try to work your way back in that way?

900
00:42:55,578 --> 00:42:55,938
Speaker 3: You know it?

901
00:42:56,418 --> 00:42:57,937
Speaker 4: I feel bad for him because this is a second

902
00:42:57,978 --> 00:42:59,777
Speaker 4: year in a row that he's kind of ended up with.

903
00:43:00,778 --> 00:43:02,858
Speaker 4: He did a well, I don't I wouldn't say got

904
00:43:02,858 --> 00:43:05,018
Speaker 4: scapegoated because the entire staff just got let go.

905
00:43:05,098 --> 00:43:07,058
Speaker 3: But he but he was scapegoaded in Cleveland.

906
00:43:07,098 --> 00:43:07,378
Speaker 2: He was a.

907
00:43:07,298 --> 00:43:09,538
Speaker 4: Scapegoating Cleveland, right, And I was gonna say, this is

908
00:43:09,538 --> 00:43:11,778
Speaker 4: the second year in a row and he's been fired.

909
00:43:11,818 --> 00:43:13,538
Speaker 4: He's been let go for different reasons. We think he's

910
00:43:13,538 --> 00:43:14,938
Speaker 4: been let go. I guess I should say he's still

911
00:43:14,938 --> 00:43:18,058
Speaker 4: technically employed. But yeah, if they go another direction offensive coordinator.

912
00:43:18,938 --> 00:43:20,857
Speaker 4: This is a second year row in a row. He's

913
00:43:20,898 --> 00:43:23,978
Speaker 4: done a good job and lost his job. So it's

914
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:25,658
Speaker 4: it's a really tough spot for him to be in.

915
00:43:26,138 --> 00:43:28,458
Speaker 4: I would love to see them, you know, the senior

916
00:43:28,498 --> 00:43:29,898
Speaker 4: advisor thing, if it is going to be a West

917
00:43:29,938 --> 00:43:32,658
Speaker 4: Coast amends. Honestly, even if it's not, just to keep

918
00:43:32,698 --> 00:43:36,018
Speaker 4: him in the building. Just whatever he did last year,

919
00:43:36,058 --> 00:43:41,178
Speaker 4: he clearly his messaging worked for Drake May, it weren't

920
00:43:41,218 --> 00:43:44,338
Speaker 4: for for both quarterbacks, right, it's not just the West

921
00:43:44,378 --> 00:43:46,938
Speaker 4: Coast technique of it all, Like he reached these guys,

922
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:49,938
Speaker 4: and to just have him in the building as almost

923
00:43:49,978 --> 00:43:52,698
Speaker 4: a translator, yeah, for the quarterbacks or something like that.

924
00:43:53,458 --> 00:43:55,337
Speaker 4: I would love to see them keep him around in

925
00:43:55,378 --> 00:43:58,458
Speaker 4: that role. You mentioned the analytics stuff with Rabel, Let's

926
00:43:58,458 --> 00:44:00,298
Speaker 4: get that well, no, no, no, just just as kind of

927
00:44:00,338 --> 00:44:03,218
Speaker 4: an aside. Another thing that you know, you wonder if

928
00:44:03,258 --> 00:44:07,298
Speaker 4: he took from that is a lot of those teams,

929
00:44:07,298 --> 00:44:10,218
Speaker 4: the teams that preach analytics, they have big coaching staffs. Yeah,

930
00:44:10,298 --> 00:44:13,098
Speaker 4: that's something they believe in. Is Rabel going to be

931
00:44:13,098 --> 00:44:14,698
Speaker 4: one of these guys? Even last year it was a

932
00:44:14,738 --> 00:44:17,418
Speaker 4: bigger staff than Bill, it was still one of the

933
00:44:17,458 --> 00:44:19,337
Speaker 4: I think there were was about middle of the league

934
00:44:19,338 --> 00:44:21,218
Speaker 4: in terms of the size of the coaching staff. It

935
00:44:21,298 --> 00:44:23,738
Speaker 4: wasn't big, it wasn't small, but it wasn't big. Is

936
00:44:23,818 --> 00:44:24,938
Speaker 4: Rabel going to be a guy who's going to have

937
00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:27,258
Speaker 4: a big coaching staff, because you know, if you're trying

938
00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:28,858
Speaker 4: to keep it limited and say we don't want too

939
00:44:28,858 --> 00:44:31,898
Speaker 4: many cooks in the kitchen, we want define blah blah blah,

940
00:44:31,978 --> 00:44:33,817
Speaker 4: you're probably not gonna do this with Van Pell. If

941
00:44:33,818 --> 00:44:36,258
Speaker 4: he's somebody coming in and saying, no, we're gonna have

942
00:44:36,298 --> 00:44:38,458
Speaker 4: the number of people in here that we need like

943
00:44:38,538 --> 00:44:41,458
Speaker 4: to do this, then you maybe look at Van Pelt

944
00:44:41,498 --> 00:44:43,378
Speaker 4: for role like that. So it'll be really interesting. But

945
00:44:43,778 --> 00:44:45,578
Speaker 4: one way or the other, even if it is McDaniels,

946
00:44:45,618 --> 00:44:46,938
Speaker 4: I would love to see them try to find a

947
00:44:46,938 --> 00:44:49,058
Speaker 4: way to even just in the short term, you know,

948
00:44:49,178 --> 00:44:50,978
Speaker 4: year or two, keep Alex van Pelt in the building.

949
00:44:51,178 --> 00:44:53,298
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess I I mean, we can we

950
00:44:53,298 --> 00:44:55,098
Speaker 2: don't have to get up bogged down by the Samanas.

951
00:44:55,138 --> 00:44:57,418
Speaker 2: I don't think you need Alex Vampeller with McDaniels is here,

952
00:44:58,018 --> 00:44:59,978
Speaker 2: But if they do high.

953
00:44:59,738 --> 00:45:01,178
Speaker 4: I don't think you need him, but I don't think

954
00:45:01,178 --> 00:45:02,578
Speaker 4: would be a bad thing to keep him around.

955
00:45:02,738 --> 00:45:05,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just worry. I just don't see how it.

956
00:45:05,938 --> 00:45:07,978
Speaker 2: I don't see how it pertains. Like I don't like

957
00:45:08,018 --> 00:45:11,258
Speaker 2: it's like an It's like an algebra course with a

958
00:45:11,298 --> 00:45:14,218
Speaker 2: calculus teacher, right like you just you're you're teaching two

959
00:45:14,218 --> 00:45:17,458
Speaker 2: different things. But regardless of that, that's like not here

960
00:45:17,498 --> 00:45:21,938
Speaker 2: nor there so much if they hire one of these guys,

961
00:45:22,058 --> 00:45:25,338
Speaker 2: that's not we don't say they don't hire McDaniels, and

962
00:45:25,378 --> 00:45:27,618
Speaker 2: they're gonna hire one of these up and comers, like

963
00:45:27,658 --> 00:45:30,618
Speaker 2: a Nick Kyley, like a Josh McCown, like one of

964
00:45:30,698 --> 00:45:33,378
Speaker 2: these types of people. I'm going to Alex van Pelt

965
00:45:33,378 --> 00:45:36,098
Speaker 2: and I'm saying, listen, we need some We need to

966
00:45:36,138 --> 00:45:39,418
Speaker 2: be a little bit more innovative on offense, we need

967
00:45:39,458 --> 00:45:42,018
Speaker 2: to liven up the scheme, we need to be a

968
00:45:42,058 --> 00:45:45,018
Speaker 2: little bit fresher in terms of what we're doing schematically

969
00:45:45,058 --> 00:45:46,978
Speaker 2: and play design wise offensively.

970
00:45:47,458 --> 00:45:50,377
Speaker 3: But we we love the work that you did with Drake.

971
00:45:50,458 --> 00:45:53,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know that Drake likes you, he trusts you,

972
00:45:53,778 --> 00:45:57,178
Speaker 2: so we're gonna we want you to stay on to.

973
00:45:57,218 --> 00:45:58,578
Speaker 3: Keep doing that type of stuff.

974
00:45:58,698 --> 00:46:02,337
Speaker 2: Basically be the quarterbacks coach more or less. And you know,

975
00:46:02,818 --> 00:46:05,338
Speaker 2: Josh mccow's got to design the offense, he's.

976
00:46:05,138 --> 00:46:06,058
Speaker 3: Gonna call the plays.

977
00:46:06,578 --> 00:46:08,978
Speaker 2: You, but you are gonna help a lot with the

978
00:46:09,058 --> 00:46:12,258
Speaker 2: quarterback and let's just keep that part of it rolling.

979
00:46:12,858 --> 00:46:15,178
Speaker 2: I would have loved that with Tommy Reese too, but

980
00:46:15,418 --> 00:46:17,978
Speaker 2: now that that's off the table, I'm with you, like

981
00:46:18,018 --> 00:46:19,817
Speaker 2: I think that with Nick Kaylee, I.

982
00:46:19,738 --> 00:46:23,178
Speaker 3: Think is a really really strong duo to do that.

983
00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:26,218
Speaker 2: You have a quarterbacks guy, and Alex van Pelt has

984
00:46:26,258 --> 00:46:29,298
Speaker 2: experienced with these quarterbacks and working with these quarterbacks, and

985
00:46:29,338 --> 00:46:31,738
Speaker 2: you have Nick Kaylee to come in here and design

986
00:46:31,738 --> 00:46:33,858
Speaker 2: the place and run the offense and call the place.

987
00:46:34,498 --> 00:46:36,698
Speaker 2: I would be on board with that as well. If

988
00:46:36,778 --> 00:46:39,857
Speaker 2: they are going to go the more inexperienced route, though,

989
00:46:40,178 --> 00:46:43,378
Speaker 2: I need Vampeld here, like I need somebody like that

990
00:46:43,378 --> 00:46:45,458
Speaker 2: that I could sit here and say, Okay, that guy

991
00:46:45,858 --> 00:46:48,818
Speaker 2: has has done it before with quarterbacks. He's been around

992
00:46:48,818 --> 00:46:51,298
Speaker 2: the block, he knows what he's doing. I'm not handing

993
00:46:51,378 --> 00:46:55,018
Speaker 2: Drake may A, first time everything, first time quarterback guy,

994
00:46:55,058 --> 00:46:56,578
Speaker 2: first time play caller, first.

995
00:46:56,338 --> 00:46:58,978
Speaker 3: Time ocie and just by himself. I'm not doing that.

996
00:46:59,058 --> 00:47:01,458
Speaker 2: But if Alex van Pelt's here to like be a

997
00:47:01,538 --> 00:47:05,218
Speaker 2: guide along the way, then then sure I'm with that.

998
00:47:05,498 --> 00:47:08,298
Speaker 2: You mentioned analytics. I do want to go back to

999
00:47:08,378 --> 00:47:12,218
Speaker 2: that here in a second, but quickly before we take

1000
00:47:12,218 --> 00:47:15,937
Speaker 2: all the calls and everything. I don't think that there's

1001
00:47:15,978 --> 00:47:20,458
Speaker 2: a ton of It's not as interesting to talk about

1002
00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:21,777
Speaker 2: the defense side of the ball and what's going.

1003
00:47:22,858 --> 00:47:24,538
Speaker 4: When he got hired Sunday, I was on the radio

1004
00:47:24,618 --> 00:47:27,618
Speaker 4: with Matt McCarthy and we did the whole office corner,

1005
00:47:27,618 --> 00:47:29,178
Speaker 4: I think, goes, who do you like for defense coordinators?

1006
00:47:29,218 --> 00:47:31,338
Speaker 4: Like I honestly never thought it. I was so focused

1007
00:47:31,618 --> 00:47:33,498
Speaker 4: on Ben Jonson defensive coordinators.

1008
00:47:33,538 --> 00:47:36,738
Speaker 2: I never thought of yeah cool, because honestly it matters,

1009
00:47:36,778 --> 00:47:38,098
Speaker 2: of course, like it doesn't.

1010
00:47:38,218 --> 00:47:40,098
Speaker 4: I want it to be Mike Rabel's defense. Yeah, I

1011
00:47:40,538 --> 00:47:42,618
Speaker 4: want him to be in charge like Patrick Graham is

1012
00:47:42,658 --> 00:47:45,738
Speaker 4: the kind of layup named yeah right, but yeah, I

1013
00:47:45,818 --> 00:47:47,857
Speaker 4: this was one of the big problems with girod Mayo

1014
00:47:48,098 --> 00:47:52,337
Speaker 4: was he wasn't doing enough on the day to day.

1015
00:47:52,458 --> 00:47:53,938
Speaker 4: He was trying to be a week to week coach,

1016
00:47:54,018 --> 00:47:55,338
Speaker 4: not a day to day coach, and you need a

1017
00:47:55,418 --> 00:47:57,578
Speaker 4: day to day coach, especially with a young team. I

1018
00:47:57,618 --> 00:48:00,178
Speaker 4: want Rabel there on the sidelines with the whiteboard, in

1019
00:48:00,218 --> 00:48:02,738
Speaker 4: the huddle, like after the defense comes off. I wanted

1020
00:48:02,778 --> 00:48:05,898
Speaker 4: to be his unit. And maybe he's not calling the plays,

1021
00:48:06,618 --> 00:48:08,258
Speaker 4: but like I want him to be the one that's

1022
00:48:08,258 --> 00:48:10,218
Speaker 4: handing the play sheet to the defensive coordinator right and

1023
00:48:10,218 --> 00:48:11,938
Speaker 4: say this is what we worked on all week. I

1024
00:48:11,978 --> 00:48:13,777
Speaker 4: want him to be able to jump in on third

1025
00:48:13,818 --> 00:48:17,418
Speaker 4: downs and say, hey, I'm making this call. Things like that. So, yeah,

1026
00:48:17,458 --> 00:48:19,858
Speaker 4: you're right, it's not honestly special teams. One's more interesting

1027
00:48:19,858 --> 00:48:22,338
Speaker 4: to me, of course, because well no, because of course

1028
00:48:22,338 --> 00:48:25,178
Speaker 4: it is. I thought that they really made strides on.

1029
00:48:25,498 --> 00:48:26,938
Speaker 3: Tom Quinn was with him in Tennessee.

1030
00:48:27,098 --> 00:48:29,218
Speaker 4: Right. So the question is, does he look at Tom

1031
00:48:29,298 --> 00:48:30,978
Speaker 4: Quinn and say, I'm making you my guy because we

1032
00:48:31,018 --> 00:48:33,417
Speaker 4: worked together in Tennessee, yeah, Or does tom Quin maybe

1033
00:48:33,418 --> 00:48:36,258
Speaker 4: go to him and say, hey, me and Springer, we

1034
00:48:36,258 --> 00:48:38,738
Speaker 4: did a good thing going last year. Let's just not

1035
00:48:38,858 --> 00:48:41,698
Speaker 4: like I'm fine being the assistant. Let's just not touch it. Yeah, right,

1036
00:48:42,058 --> 00:48:43,938
Speaker 4: So because I we all said this at the end

1037
00:48:43,938 --> 00:48:45,938
Speaker 4: of the year. Like oddly enough, Springer was the one

1038
00:48:45,938 --> 00:48:47,978
Speaker 4: guy we sort of looked at and said, yeah, he's

1039
00:48:48,138 --> 00:48:50,138
Speaker 4: probably good, like you should say so, Yeah, I.

1040
00:48:50,178 --> 00:48:51,938
Speaker 3: Think you know, Tom Quinn was a big part of

1041
00:48:51,938 --> 00:48:54,138
Speaker 3: what they did, right, so experience.

1042
00:48:54,178 --> 00:48:57,658
Speaker 4: I would love to see them run it back on

1043
00:48:57,698 --> 00:48:58,378
Speaker 4: special teams.

1044
00:48:58,458 --> 00:49:00,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be less okay with that.

1045
00:49:00,378 --> 00:49:04,658
Speaker 2: I a defensive coordinator, you know, I'm a big fan

1046
00:49:04,658 --> 00:49:07,578
Speaker 2: of lou Ana Rumos. So if they if they went

1047
00:49:07,618 --> 00:49:09,578
Speaker 2: after big Lou, I would be all for it.

1048
00:49:09,778 --> 00:49:11,938
Speaker 3: But that's his defense, right, don't you think so?

1049
00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:13,777
Speaker 4: Yeah? Don't you think Louien and Romo is gonna want

1050
00:49:13,778 --> 00:49:15,778
Speaker 4: to go somewhere where like he's the head coach of

1051
00:49:15,818 --> 00:49:17,098
Speaker 4: the defense kind of thing.

1052
00:49:16,978 --> 00:49:17,778
Speaker 3: I would imagine.

1053
00:49:17,778 --> 00:49:19,818
Speaker 2: So, But there is a lot of overlap between what

1054
00:49:20,178 --> 00:49:23,058
Speaker 2: the Patriots and what the Titans and what the Bengals

1055
00:49:23,058 --> 00:49:26,698
Speaker 2: have done schematically from a defensive perspective, I'd actually think

1056
00:49:26,738 --> 00:49:29,858
Speaker 2: that that would work in terms of those two systems

1057
00:49:29,858 --> 00:49:30,458
Speaker 2: coming together.

1058
00:49:31,218 --> 00:49:34,018
Speaker 3: But he I just think he's a great coach, right, I.

1059
00:49:33,978 --> 00:49:34,817
Speaker 4: Know, I don't get you're wrong.

1060
00:49:34,858 --> 00:49:35,218
Speaker 3: I do too.

1061
00:49:35,258 --> 00:49:37,098
Speaker 4: I would take him one hundred percent. I would take him.

1062
00:49:37,138 --> 00:49:39,858
Speaker 4: But if i'm him I'm looking like I want to

1063
00:49:39,898 --> 00:49:42,538
Speaker 4: go somewhere where it's clearly my show on defense, because

1064
00:49:42,898 --> 00:49:44,378
Speaker 4: does he still want to be a head coach? Right?

1065
00:49:44,618 --> 00:49:44,777
Speaker 3: Right?

1066
00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:46,458
Speaker 4: I want to go somewhere where it's clearly my show

1067
00:49:46,498 --> 00:49:48,858
Speaker 4: on defense where there's nobody I'm not answering to anybody

1068
00:49:48,898 --> 00:49:50,778
Speaker 4: in that regard, and then so that way in a

1069
00:49:50,858 --> 00:49:52,218
Speaker 4: year or two, like I can get a head coach.

1070
00:49:52,218 --> 00:49:54,338
Speaker 4: If he's here, there's always gonna be the question, and

1071
00:49:54,378 --> 00:49:57,337
Speaker 4: everybody knows what a great coach he is, But isn't

1072
00:49:57,338 --> 00:49:58,858
Speaker 4: there always gonna kind of be that well is it

1073
00:49:58,938 --> 00:50:01,138
Speaker 4: and rumo or is it vable sort of thing? So

1074
00:50:01,818 --> 00:50:04,618
Speaker 4: I just I don't know. I don't see what the

1075
00:50:04,738 --> 00:50:07,098
Speaker 4: draw is. And there's not a lot of talent here

1076
00:50:07,138 --> 00:50:08,458
Speaker 4: for him to work with, and he just dealt with that.

1077
00:50:08,498 --> 00:50:10,857
Speaker 4: And that's why I got fired in Cincinnati because there's

1078
00:50:10,858 --> 00:50:12,618
Speaker 4: a talent trained on the defense. It's not because he

1079
00:50:12,658 --> 00:50:15,858
Speaker 4: was doing a bad job. So what's the draw for

1080
00:50:15,978 --> 00:50:16,618
Speaker 4: him to come here?

1081
00:50:17,458 --> 00:50:17,978
Speaker 3: That's fair?

1082
00:50:18,498 --> 00:50:20,458
Speaker 4: Right? I don't get me. I I'd love to talk to.

1083
00:50:20,818 --> 00:50:22,538
Speaker 3: I think his name has to be mentioned because he's

1084
00:50:22,538 --> 00:50:23,298
Speaker 3: a great coordinator.

1085
00:50:23,298 --> 00:50:26,218
Speaker 4: Fair fair. If i'm him, I'm like, uh, you know,

1086
00:50:26,218 --> 00:50:27,978
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I got five other interviews.

1087
00:50:28,018 --> 00:50:28,337
Speaker 5: I'm good.

1088
00:50:28,418 --> 00:50:30,458
Speaker 2: I would say Patrick Graham is in the same category

1089
00:50:30,618 --> 00:50:31,178
Speaker 2: I think Patsa.

1090
00:50:31,338 --> 00:50:32,578
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Patrick Graham is a.

1091
00:50:32,578 --> 00:50:34,778
Speaker 4: Guy that he at least has the familiarity with Rabel.

1092
00:50:34,818 --> 00:50:38,498
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, but he's he's getting head coaching interviews

1093
00:50:38,538 --> 00:50:42,618
Speaker 2: this cycle already. Yeah, And so I would imagine that

1094
00:50:42,698 --> 00:50:45,058
Speaker 2: he's another one of those guys that wants ownership of

1095
00:50:45,098 --> 00:50:48,178
Speaker 2: the defense so that he can flex that he's running

1096
00:50:48,218 --> 00:50:50,098
Speaker 2: that side of the ball when it comes to interviews

1097
00:50:50,138 --> 00:50:52,738
Speaker 2: in the future. So you know, Shane Bowen is his

1098
00:50:52,778 --> 00:50:54,938
Speaker 2: guy from Tennessee. He's with the Giants right now. It

1099
00:50:54,978 --> 00:50:56,817
Speaker 2: sounds like he's going to stay with the Giants at

1100
00:50:56,898 --> 00:50:59,578
Speaker 2: least for the time being. So I find those ones

1101
00:50:59,618 --> 00:51:03,378
Speaker 2: interesting just a little bit though, because if you're in

1102
00:51:03,418 --> 00:51:05,298
Speaker 2: the other name I i'd put in this category is

1103
00:51:05,298 --> 00:51:08,098
Speaker 2: a more experienced guy. Jim Schwartz has like a long

1104
00:51:08,178 --> 00:51:11,498
Speaker 2: relationship with Rabel, going back to being on his staff

1105
00:51:11,498 --> 00:51:13,458
Speaker 2: in Tennessee as a senior advisor.

1106
00:51:13,738 --> 00:51:14,738
Speaker 3: And all that type of stuff.

1107
00:51:14,778 --> 00:51:16,658
Speaker 4: So I think Jimmy Stewart threw that name out.

1108
00:51:17,098 --> 00:51:19,978
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim Schwartz and Shane Bowen just putting those two

1109
00:51:20,058 --> 00:51:23,178
Speaker 2: names together for a second, if you go to those

1110
00:51:23,178 --> 00:51:25,698
Speaker 2: two guys, if you're Vrabel and I understand that he's

1111
00:51:25,738 --> 00:51:28,498
Speaker 2: got a relationship probably with Dable and Kevin Stefanski, So

1112
00:51:28,818 --> 00:51:30,738
Speaker 2: you have to be careful.

1113
00:51:30,578 --> 00:51:31,138
Speaker 3: You phrase this.

1114
00:51:31,658 --> 00:51:34,938
Speaker 2: But what are the odds that they're sitting here next

1115
00:51:34,978 --> 00:51:37,297
Speaker 2: year without jobs because their two head coaches just got

1116
00:51:37,298 --> 00:51:40,138
Speaker 2: blown out in New York and in Cleveland?

1117
00:51:40,698 --> 00:51:41,338
Speaker 3: Pretty high?

1118
00:51:41,498 --> 00:51:44,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty high that that job in Cleveland and

1119
00:51:44,298 --> 00:51:46,337
Speaker 2: that job with the Giants does not have a whole

1120
00:51:46,338 --> 00:51:49,458
Speaker 2: lot of staying power. Rabel's getting multiple years to try

1121
00:51:49,498 --> 00:51:50,538
Speaker 2: to fix this here.

1122
00:51:51,058 --> 00:51:52,377
Speaker 3: They just want and done to coach.

1123
00:51:52,458 --> 00:51:56,818
Speaker 2: It's not happening again, So he's getting multiple chances from

1124
00:51:56,938 --> 00:52:00,578
Speaker 2: the Crafts to build this here. So if you're Shane

1125
00:52:00,578 --> 00:52:04,458
Speaker 2: Bowen and you can go next year with the Giants

1126
00:52:05,098 --> 00:52:07,418
Speaker 2: have all the same issues you just had last year

1127
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:09,458
Speaker 2: that was not a very good football team, just like

1128
00:52:09,498 --> 00:52:13,738
Speaker 2: the Patriots, and then potentially run the risk of getting

1129
00:52:13,738 --> 00:52:17,298
Speaker 2: fired in a year when Dable gets blown out if

1130
00:52:17,298 --> 00:52:20,858
Speaker 2: they stink again, then you could come here. You probably

1131
00:52:20,858 --> 00:52:23,337
Speaker 2: have two or three years of job security here at

1132
00:52:23,338 --> 00:52:28,098
Speaker 2: the very least, and maybe a decade if it goes well, Right,

1133
00:52:28,178 --> 00:52:28,578
Speaker 2: so at.

1134
00:52:28,458 --> 00:52:30,297
Speaker 4: That point you hope you can hire Aways a head coach.

1135
00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:34,178
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So that would just be a pitch I

1136
00:52:34,218 --> 00:52:36,738
Speaker 2: would maybe try to make. Bowen is you know, an

1137
00:52:36,778 --> 00:52:38,898
Speaker 2: intense guy, fired up guy. You can see him on

1138
00:52:38,938 --> 00:52:41,578
Speaker 2: hard knocks. He's like one of those types of coaches, right,

1139
00:52:41,618 --> 00:52:44,138
Speaker 2: He's gonna make you want to run through a brick wall.

1140
00:52:44,818 --> 00:52:48,978
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz is a mastermind. He's he's an experienced mastermind,

1141
00:52:49,298 --> 00:52:53,258
Speaker 2: awesome pressure coach, like great at press, scheming up pressure,

1142
00:52:53,258 --> 00:52:55,938
Speaker 2: and designing pressure. He's one of the best in the

1143
00:52:56,018 --> 00:52:58,378
Speaker 2: league on the defense side of the ball. Like I said,

1144
00:52:58,378 --> 00:53:00,698
Speaker 2: he's been with Rabel in Tennessee. I think it was

1145
00:53:01,338 --> 00:53:04,578
Speaker 2: for maybe two years as a senior advisor on the

1146
00:53:04,578 --> 00:53:06,698
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball, and that staff I.

1147
00:53:06,858 --> 00:53:07,698
Speaker 3: Would just pitch them.

1148
00:53:07,858 --> 00:53:10,938
Speaker 2: And there's then there's some other names that are some

1149
00:53:10,978 --> 00:53:12,538
Speaker 2: of the up and coming guys that kind of like

1150
00:53:12,578 --> 00:53:15,018
Speaker 2: the tight pants equivalent on the defensive side of the ball.

1151
00:53:15,258 --> 00:53:17,658
Speaker 2: That if it is truly going to be Rabel's defense,

1152
00:53:17,938 --> 00:53:21,378
Speaker 2: then maybe he develops a coach instead, like I think Rabel,

1153
00:53:21,978 --> 00:53:24,618
Speaker 2: not that just as an example, but like if Rabel

1154
00:53:24,698 --> 00:53:27,578
Speaker 2: was was with DeMarcus Comington last year like that, that

1155
00:53:27,658 --> 00:53:29,818
Speaker 2: might have worked out better, right when you have like

1156
00:53:29,858 --> 00:53:32,578
Speaker 2: a more experience as head coach that is running the

1157
00:53:32,618 --> 00:53:35,338
Speaker 2: defense side of the ball, done it before, whatever, you know,

1158
00:53:35,418 --> 00:53:37,818
Speaker 2: that type of guy. So you know there's some names

1159
00:53:37,858 --> 00:53:40,058
Speaker 2: out there. I'm gonna butcher this one name, so I

1160
00:53:40,378 --> 00:53:47,658
Speaker 2: apologize in advance. Efraim Branda Banda who is on the

1161
00:53:47,658 --> 00:53:48,498
Speaker 2: head coaching track.

1162
00:53:48,898 --> 00:53:49,538
Speaker 3: He's one name.

1163
00:53:49,578 --> 00:53:52,658
Speaker 2: Brandon Lynch, Chris Harris, a couple of other names there

1164
00:53:52,698 --> 00:53:56,578
Speaker 2: on the defense side of the ball that have connections

1165
00:53:56,618 --> 00:54:00,618
Speaker 2: to Rabel that you know could potentially come over. Treil

1166
00:54:00,658 --> 00:54:04,258
Speaker 2: Williams into Shad Townsend are the two guys in Detroit. Yeah,

1167
00:54:04,298 --> 00:54:05,858
Speaker 2: one of those guys I would assume is going to

1168
00:54:05,938 --> 00:54:08,138
Speaker 2: take over for Aaron Glenn when he gets a job

1169
00:54:08,458 --> 00:54:10,857
Speaker 2: this cycle. But maybe the other guy that doesn't get

1170
00:54:10,898 --> 00:54:12,698
Speaker 2: it is going to be out, you know, and maybe

1171
00:54:12,738 --> 00:54:14,857
Speaker 2: he's gonna be looking for a job. So those would

1172
00:54:14,858 --> 00:54:17,218
Speaker 2: be the guys that I would throw out as like, Okay,

1173
00:54:17,258 --> 00:54:20,538
Speaker 2: that's the tight pants equivalent on defense. Rabel's really gonna

1174
00:54:20,538 --> 00:54:22,698
Speaker 2: be the guy that's running the defense, but we're going

1175
00:54:22,778 --> 00:54:26,098
Speaker 2: to train this guy to maybe take on more responsibility

1176
00:54:26,138 --> 00:54:29,378
Speaker 2: as we go here. But yeah, I'm not as interested

1177
00:54:29,378 --> 00:54:32,578
Speaker 2: in that side of the ball. But there's a couple

1178
00:54:32,578 --> 00:54:36,218
Speaker 2: of names on that side coaching wise, you know, Mike Pelgrino,

1179
00:54:36,538 --> 00:54:39,377
Speaker 2: I think that we would all both be interested in retaining.

1180
00:54:39,138 --> 00:54:44,698
Speaker 4: Him absolutely, And UNC just hired the cornerbacks coach from Washington,

1181
00:54:44,978 --> 00:54:48,698
Speaker 4: Washington like, he's one of the bigger names coming up

1182
00:54:48,738 --> 00:54:50,578
Speaker 4: on the on that side of the ball in college.

1183
00:54:50,658 --> 00:54:52,978
Speaker 4: So I don't know, maybe they're still a job for

1184
00:54:52,978 --> 00:54:56,098
Speaker 4: Pelagreno there with Bill, but defensive backs coach is taken.

1185
00:54:56,658 --> 00:55:00,178
Speaker 2: Yeah, so uh yeah, I think that that's a possibility

1186
00:55:00,218 --> 00:55:02,218
Speaker 2: that he goes younger on the defensive side of the

1187
00:55:02,218 --> 00:55:05,098
Speaker 2: ball and tries to train that guy up. Last thing

1188
00:55:05,138 --> 00:55:08,418
Speaker 2: here and then we'll do the second hour, we'll do

1189
00:55:08,458 --> 00:55:11,298
Speaker 2: some draft, we'll do some whatever your phones and emails,

1190
00:55:11,538 --> 00:55:12,618
Speaker 2: you guys want to talk about.

1191
00:55:12,658 --> 00:55:13,698
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about.

1192
00:55:13,458 --> 00:55:15,178
Speaker 2: The analytics thing for a second, because we got it,

1193
00:55:15,538 --> 00:55:18,818
Speaker 2: you know, I gotta scratch the stitch. I I was

1194
00:55:18,858 --> 00:55:23,018
Speaker 2: so encouraged by what I heard from Vrabel in terms

1195
00:55:23,058 --> 00:55:25,818
Speaker 2: of applying analytics to personnel.

1196
00:55:26,338 --> 00:55:28,218
Speaker 3: I'm with you, not one hundred.

1197
00:55:28,778 --> 00:55:33,378
Speaker 2: I I catch some people by surprise that I am

1198
00:55:33,418 --> 00:55:38,498
Speaker 2: not in love with the fourth down decision making route

1199
00:55:38,578 --> 00:55:40,738
Speaker 2: in terms of analytics. I don't want to just follow

1200
00:55:40,778 --> 00:55:43,098
Speaker 2: the math when it comes to those teens.

1201
00:55:43,418 --> 00:55:46,018
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not like that. People may misunderstand me.

1202
00:55:46,178 --> 00:55:47,178
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.

1203
00:55:47,738 --> 00:55:50,897
Speaker 2: I'm not with that because I do hear the bill

1204
00:55:51,058 --> 00:55:54,777
Speaker 2: argument of well, what are the what's the situation, who

1205
00:55:54,778 --> 00:55:57,418
Speaker 2: are you playing, what's the weather, what's the flow of

1206
00:55:57,458 --> 00:55:58,777
Speaker 2: the game?

1207
00:55:59,218 --> 00:56:01,338
Speaker 4: For years. I've been telling you this for years.

1208
00:56:01,418 --> 00:56:03,338
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have never disagreed with you on this.

1209
00:56:04,018 --> 00:56:05,738
Speaker 4: You just think that that applies to more than just

1210
00:56:05,778 --> 00:56:06,178
Speaker 4: fourth down.

1211
00:56:06,738 --> 00:56:08,297
Speaker 3: You just you misunderstand me.

1212
00:56:09,218 --> 00:56:13,378
Speaker 2: What I am very very encouraged by was his answer

1213
00:56:13,418 --> 00:56:16,098
Speaker 2: to we I yesterday about how they were going to

1214
00:56:16,138 --> 00:56:20,538
Speaker 2: apply analytics to player personnel, to scouting, to talent evaluation.

1215
00:56:21,418 --> 00:56:23,978
Speaker 2: So when we talk about that side of the street,

1216
00:56:24,018 --> 00:56:27,618
Speaker 2: we're talking about in game tracking data. You know, the

1217
00:56:27,698 --> 00:56:30,178
Speaker 2: chips and the pads that track miles per hour and

1218
00:56:30,178 --> 00:56:34,858
Speaker 2: eletion and the ability to transition whether you're a receiver

1219
00:56:34,938 --> 00:56:36,938
Speaker 2: at the top of the route or a dB mirroring

1220
00:56:36,978 --> 00:56:39,698
Speaker 2: a receiver at the top of the route, top speed,

1221
00:56:40,018 --> 00:56:43,858
Speaker 2: average speed, all those different types of things. The teams

1222
00:56:43,898 --> 00:56:48,818
Speaker 2: that are winning in the NFL are all using this data.

1223
00:56:48,938 --> 00:56:51,858
Speaker 2: They're all using this data to evaluate talent and to

1224
00:56:51,898 --> 00:56:55,778
Speaker 2: evaluate players in the draft and even in pro personnel

1225
00:56:55,858 --> 00:57:01,738
Speaker 2: and free agency. The Chiefs, the Bills, the Eagles, the Lions,

1226
00:57:01,818 --> 00:57:04,658
Speaker 2: like these teams are all at ms. RAMS are all

1227
00:57:04,698 --> 00:57:08,258
Speaker 2: at the forefront of doing all these things. The Patriots

1228
00:57:08,338 --> 00:57:12,458
Speaker 2: are way way behind because when they had Bill Belichick,

1229
00:57:13,298 --> 00:57:15,978
Speaker 2: it was all just in Bill's mind, right, and he

1230
00:57:16,098 --> 00:57:19,258
Speaker 2: had that ability because he's special, but not everybody does.

1231
00:57:19,418 --> 00:57:20,338
Speaker 4: Most people don't.

1232
00:57:20,378 --> 00:57:24,938
Speaker 2: So the Patriots need to update this part of their

1233
00:57:24,938 --> 00:57:27,978
Speaker 2: football operations. They need to come up to the twenty

1234
00:57:28,458 --> 00:57:32,218
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five way of doing things. And the RAMS,

1235
00:57:32,218 --> 00:57:38,218
Speaker 2: to me, are the perfect example because who's the I'll

1236
00:57:38,218 --> 00:57:40,058
Speaker 2: look it up in a second when I pass it

1237
00:57:40,098 --> 00:57:43,258
Speaker 2: to you. The analytics guy for ESPN. He released the

1238
00:57:43,298 --> 00:57:46,898
Speaker 2: list every single year of all the analytics departments across

1239
00:57:46,938 --> 00:57:49,338
Speaker 2: the league and who's staffed and who you know, how

1240
00:57:49,378 --> 00:57:52,938
Speaker 2: many people they do staff. The Rams have two people

1241
00:57:53,698 --> 00:57:57,898
Speaker 2: on staff that are their chief analytics guys. So it's

1242
00:57:57,898 --> 00:58:00,338
Speaker 2: not like it's this like ten person staff like it

1243
00:58:00,378 --> 00:58:03,818
Speaker 2: is in Cleveland. It's just two people. But the Rams

1244
00:58:03,858 --> 00:58:07,138
Speaker 2: don't even go to the combine. They don't even go

1245
00:58:07,218 --> 00:58:10,338
Speaker 2: to the combine because they don't waste their time with

1246
00:58:10,378 --> 00:58:13,498
Speaker 2: the forty anymore, or with the short shuttle or the

1247
00:58:13,538 --> 00:58:17,018
Speaker 2: three cone or anything like that. They do the interview

1248
00:58:17,138 --> 00:58:20,578
Speaker 2: side and the medical side, but they don't they don't

1249
00:58:20,618 --> 00:58:24,458
Speaker 2: pay any attention whatsoever to the on field stuff. So

1250
00:58:25,218 --> 00:58:27,298
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of examples that where it

1251
00:58:27,338 --> 00:58:33,418
Speaker 2: worked out. Pukaniku the big everybody points souk is the

1252
00:58:33,418 --> 00:58:36,858
Speaker 2: big one, but I would also say Kyron Williams they're

1253
00:58:36,938 --> 00:58:40,538
Speaker 2: running back, is another one who did bomb the combine,

1254
00:58:40,538 --> 00:58:43,618
Speaker 2: but is a great football athlete, is a great football

1255
00:58:43,658 --> 00:58:46,458
Speaker 2: player and a guy that you loved cam Kinchines right

1256
00:58:46,498 --> 00:58:47,418
Speaker 2: still do Yeah, good.

1257
00:58:47,298 --> 00:58:51,018
Speaker 4: Football player want him so big?

1258
00:58:51,498 --> 00:58:54,018
Speaker 2: So those are the three like kind of skill position guys.

1259
00:58:54,218 --> 00:58:56,058
Speaker 2: And this is you know, mostly what we're talking about,

1260
00:58:56,138 --> 00:58:59,458
Speaker 2: right is the skill positions. Uh but pokin is the

1261
00:58:59,458 --> 00:59:03,058
Speaker 2: big one. And there's actually a clip of Sean McVay

1262
00:59:03,098 --> 00:59:07,938
Speaker 2: and Less Sneed talking about Pokinakua and uh Les Sneed says, uh,

1263
00:59:07,978 --> 00:59:12,298
Speaker 2: if I sort the spreadsheet by my top speeds, then

1264
00:59:12,338 --> 00:59:15,018
Speaker 2: he's one of the fastest receivers in the draft. And

1265
00:59:15,058 --> 00:59:17,858
Speaker 2: Pukka ran like a four or five something and wasn't

1266
00:59:18,138 --> 00:59:20,858
Speaker 2: a good time speed guy. And then you get into

1267
00:59:20,858 --> 00:59:22,698
Speaker 2: the game and you can see how good he is

1268
00:59:22,738 --> 00:59:26,498
Speaker 2: and how athletic he is, and uh, he's plenty fast

1269
00:59:26,578 --> 00:59:30,298
Speaker 2: enough to win at the NFL level. So the Rams

1270
00:59:30,298 --> 00:59:32,178
Speaker 2: are like kind of the poster child for it right

1271
00:59:32,218 --> 00:59:34,138
Speaker 2: now because of these clips you know, from there behind

1272
00:59:34,138 --> 00:59:36,858
Speaker 2: the scenes stuff. But all these teams that are are

1273
00:59:37,298 --> 00:59:39,178
Speaker 2: are at the you know, the top of the top,

1274
00:59:39,658 --> 00:59:42,858
Speaker 2: that are scouting at the best you know, across the league,

1275
00:59:43,338 --> 00:59:47,338
Speaker 2: they're all using this data. They're all using analytics. And

1276
00:59:47,618 --> 00:59:50,458
Speaker 2: the example that I would give is like for us,

1277
00:59:50,538 --> 00:59:53,018
Speaker 2: you know, we want to make good content, right, we

1278
00:59:53,058 --> 00:59:54,858
Speaker 2: want to make content that we think is good. We

1279
00:59:54,898 --> 00:59:57,538
Speaker 2: want to make content what we think is interesting to people.

1280
00:59:58,378 --> 01:00:00,538
Speaker 3: But we also have to.

1281
01:00:00,498 --> 01:00:05,738
Speaker 2: Answer to engagement clicks numbers, like that's just our business, right,

1282
01:00:05,898 --> 01:00:09,618
Speaker 2: because that's the tangible evidence of what you're doing is working.

1283
01:00:10,178 --> 01:00:13,498
Speaker 2: Is that type of thing that that's what analytics are

1284
01:00:13,498 --> 01:00:15,938
Speaker 2: in football. You still want to the film's still king,

1285
01:00:16,178 --> 01:00:18,898
Speaker 2: and you still want to make the pretty picture, but

1286
01:00:19,218 --> 01:00:23,058
Speaker 2: when it comes to what's tangible evidence that we can

1287
01:00:23,098 --> 01:00:25,458
Speaker 2: point to that this is successful and this is working,

1288
01:00:26,058 --> 01:00:28,578
Speaker 2: that's where the analytics come into mind. And if they're

1289
01:00:28,618 --> 01:00:30,738
Speaker 2: going to bring a lot of that analytics stuff to

1290
01:00:30,778 --> 01:00:35,178
Speaker 2: the Patriots personnel in their scouting process, all the power, like,

1291
01:00:35,338 --> 01:00:38,458
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, Mike Rabel, please do that. And

1292
01:00:38,458 --> 01:00:41,698
Speaker 2: hopefully he maybe he's poached some guys from Cleveland to

1293
01:00:41,738 --> 01:00:42,538
Speaker 2: come do it for him.

1294
01:00:42,658 --> 01:00:44,858
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, I mean, this is where probably everybody expects

1295
01:00:44,858 --> 01:00:48,058
Speaker 4: me to go yell and scream about the math. I'll

1296
01:00:48,098 --> 01:00:51,898
Speaker 4: say this one, and I always say, it's about the draft.

1297
01:00:52,298 --> 01:00:56,218
Speaker 4: The Senior Bowl holds weight, especially for guys from smaller schools,

1298
01:00:56,218 --> 01:01:00,218
Speaker 4: but like the combine should never outweigh what the player

1299
01:01:00,298 --> 01:01:04,298
Speaker 4: did for four months from September to December, right right, Like,

1300
01:01:04,578 --> 01:01:06,498
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you're drafting these guys.

1301
01:01:06,498 --> 01:01:08,618
Speaker 4: You're hiring these guys to play football. What do they

1302
01:01:08,618 --> 01:01:10,578
Speaker 4: look like as football players? So if a guy runs

1303
01:01:10,618 --> 01:01:12,938
Speaker 4: bad forty this is what I kind of kept saying

1304
01:01:12,978 --> 01:01:17,418
Speaker 4: about Cam Kitchens last year. It's not great, it factors

1305
01:01:17,418 --> 01:01:20,858
Speaker 4: into my evaluation. But I saw that guy for twelve

1306
01:01:20,898 --> 01:01:23,578
Speaker 4: games patrol the backs end of the defense for Miami,

1307
01:01:23,818 --> 01:01:25,658
Speaker 4: and I know what he can do. I know how

1308
01:01:25,658 --> 01:01:28,418
Speaker 4: he can cover ground on a football field. He had

1309
01:01:28,458 --> 01:01:31,418
Speaker 4: a bad day, like he ran a bad forty, gets

1310
01:01:31,418 --> 01:01:33,218
Speaker 4: one shot to prove how fast he is for his

1311
01:01:33,338 --> 01:01:36,658
Speaker 4: entire career. I've always thought that's ridiculous. I do still

1312
01:01:36,658 --> 01:01:39,498
Speaker 4: think there's value going to the combine because I think that,

1313
01:01:39,618 --> 01:01:41,498
Speaker 4: and this is where the math kind of loses it.

1314
01:01:42,698 --> 01:01:45,618
Speaker 4: How are guys operating in between the drills? How are

1315
01:01:45,658 --> 01:01:48,298
Speaker 4: guys you know, interacting with each other? How are they

1316
01:01:48,298 --> 01:01:51,178
Speaker 4: getting themselves ready immediately before the drill? How do they

1317
01:01:51,178 --> 01:01:53,618
Speaker 4: react after the drill? Like I think you learn about

1318
01:01:53,618 --> 01:01:56,458
Speaker 4: the person that way. I still think teams should go

1319
01:01:56,498 --> 01:01:58,298
Speaker 4: to the combine. I still think there's value in that.

1320
01:01:58,658 --> 01:02:00,658
Speaker 4: I think the rams are missing something there. What I

1321
01:02:00,698 --> 01:02:02,378
Speaker 4: will say when it comes to analytics and where I

1322
01:02:02,498 --> 01:02:08,058
Speaker 4: liked Rabel's answer, I've always said I like the tangible numbers, right,

1323
01:02:08,338 --> 01:02:10,858
Speaker 4: I like the numbers that actually mean something. To find something,

1324
01:02:10,858 --> 01:02:12,698
Speaker 4: you can point to me and say, there is that

1325
01:02:12,938 --> 01:02:17,898
Speaker 4: in action. A guy running twenty miles an hour is relevant.

1326
01:02:18,258 --> 01:02:21,458
Speaker 4: That is a tangible number. I am all on board

1327
01:02:21,458 --> 01:02:24,058
Speaker 4: for that, and say, good way to crosscheck. Oh hey,

1328
01:02:24,098 --> 01:02:28,338
Speaker 4: this guy ran a bad forty. Let's go look at

1329
01:02:28,418 --> 01:02:30,858
Speaker 4: you know what he was doing with pad on in

1330
01:02:30,898 --> 01:02:33,258
Speaker 4: the season and see if it reflects that. I think

1331
01:02:33,298 --> 01:02:35,338
Speaker 4: the same is true on the flip side. Oh this

1332
01:02:35,338 --> 01:02:38,698
Speaker 4: guy ran a great forty, but his numbers aren't as

1333
01:02:38,738 --> 01:02:43,058
Speaker 4: good in games. So he's track speed, but he's not

1334
01:02:43,138 --> 01:02:45,178
Speaker 4: really fast as a football player. I think kind of

1335
01:02:45,178 --> 01:02:48,778
Speaker 4: what happened with Taekwon Thornton. Yeah, so that like player

1336
01:02:48,818 --> 01:02:52,218
Speaker 4: tracking stuff, I'm all for. If they start using DVOA

1337
01:02:52,338 --> 01:02:54,378
Speaker 4: and EPA and all that, now you've lost me. No,

1338
01:02:54,378 --> 01:02:56,978
Speaker 4: now you've lost me, right or in all of that.

1339
01:02:57,258 --> 01:02:59,018
Speaker 2: As much as I love all that kind of stuff,

1340
01:02:59,098 --> 01:03:00,658
Speaker 2: NFL teams are not looking at that good.

1341
01:03:01,538 --> 01:03:03,858
Speaker 4: But if you're just telling me, hey, we want to

1342
01:03:03,938 --> 01:03:06,178
Speaker 4: actually see how fast this player ran on the field,

1343
01:03:06,418 --> 01:03:09,738
Speaker 4: yeah right, Yeah, they should be using that data. Because

1344
01:03:10,138 --> 01:03:13,178
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick could do that. There's many reasons Bill Belichick

1345
01:03:13,258 --> 01:03:15,298
Speaker 4: was the greatest coach of all time, but he could

1346
01:03:15,418 --> 01:03:17,258
Speaker 4: just one of them is I think he could just

1347
01:03:17,298 --> 01:03:18,578
Speaker 4: look at the film and sort of just know.

1348
01:03:18,858 --> 01:03:19,578
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've.

1349
01:03:19,458 --> 01:03:21,658
Speaker 4: Always said that, Oh, Bill used the analytics.

1350
01:03:22,018 --> 01:03:22,898
Speaker 3: I think a.

1351
01:03:22,818 --> 01:03:24,778
Speaker 4: Lot of the stuff that people have to use analytics

1352
01:03:24,778 --> 01:03:27,618
Speaker 4: to find out, we're just common sense for Bill. So

1353
01:03:27,658 --> 01:03:29,858
Speaker 4: he might have been taking an analytical approach, but his

1354
01:03:29,938 --> 01:03:31,658
Speaker 4: brain was just a freaking supercomputer.

1355
01:03:31,858 --> 01:03:35,098
Speaker 2: Yes, but he also used analytics more for like value

1356
01:03:35,138 --> 01:03:38,258
Speaker 2: based stuff in terms of paying people, like free agents

1357
01:03:38,258 --> 01:03:41,338
Speaker 2: and things like that. A lot of his analytics and

1358
01:03:41,418 --> 01:03:44,858
Speaker 2: let him and already Adams put together besides the like

1359
01:03:46,018 --> 01:03:50,058
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, charting plays and personnel groupings and formations

1360
01:03:50,098 --> 01:03:53,258
Speaker 2: and things like that, that's like sort of a separate category.

1361
01:03:53,778 --> 01:03:55,818
Speaker 2: But then you know, in terms of the actual data

1362
01:03:56,058 --> 01:03:58,378
Speaker 2: side of it, they had models in terms of like

1363
01:03:58,458 --> 01:04:01,378
Speaker 2: this is what we think this player is worth, right, Like, ye,

1364
01:04:02,338 --> 01:04:04,298
Speaker 2: like he's worth ten, but he's getting twelve on the

1365
01:04:04,298 --> 01:04:06,098
Speaker 2: open market, and like how close are we going to

1366
01:04:06,178 --> 01:04:06,898
Speaker 2: get to that?

1367
01:04:06,898 --> 01:04:07,178
Speaker 3: That?

1368
01:04:07,178 --> 01:04:11,258
Speaker 2: That's where they they didn't necessarily use like Zebra tech

1369
01:04:11,458 --> 01:04:13,298
Speaker 2: and next gen and all that kind of right.

1370
01:04:13,338 --> 01:04:15,178
Speaker 4: Well, but I'm more so saying like who was I

1371
01:04:15,218 --> 01:04:17,298
Speaker 4: wrote this a couple of years ago, Like Patriots draft

1372
01:04:17,338 --> 01:04:20,578
Speaker 4: picks had bad combines. Brandon Spikes, Yeah, I had like

1373
01:04:20,578 --> 01:04:23,058
Speaker 4: a really bad combine. But he's like one of the

1374
01:04:23,058 --> 01:04:24,938
Speaker 4: I think it's like the worst testing linebacker that you're

1375
01:04:24,938 --> 01:04:27,298
Speaker 4: across the board or he was it a couple of drills.

1376
01:04:27,818 --> 01:04:29,818
Speaker 4: Bill looked at him and said, nope, I've seen it

1377
01:04:29,858 --> 01:04:32,338
Speaker 4: on tape that I can play football. I'll take them.

1378
01:04:32,578 --> 01:04:35,858
Speaker 4: I think there's some nuts all, like, there's no whether

1379
01:04:35,938 --> 01:04:37,578
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick. Everybody is to look at that now and

1380
01:04:37,618 --> 01:04:39,258
Speaker 4: they need the data to help them figure it out.

1381
01:04:39,338 --> 01:04:42,738
Speaker 4: So if they're going to be using like player acquisition

1382
01:04:43,618 --> 01:04:46,698
Speaker 4: tracking data, I don't consider that analytics. To me, analytics

1383
01:04:46,738 --> 01:04:50,618
Speaker 4: is like the Bill James moneyball stuff with war and

1384
01:04:50,618 --> 01:04:55,058
Speaker 4: and these expected this and things like that EPOA tvo.

1385
01:04:55,258 --> 01:04:56,778
Speaker 4: Like you're never gonna sell me on that. You will

1386
01:04:56,778 --> 01:04:58,858
Speaker 4: never sell me on that. That's what I consider analytics.

1387
01:04:59,418 --> 01:05:01,738
Speaker 4: Just looking at how fast a player runs because he's

1388
01:05:01,738 --> 01:05:04,818
Speaker 4: a chip in his shoulder. I guess it is technically analytics,

1389
01:05:04,858 --> 01:05:06,818
Speaker 4: but to me, it's like, no, that's just factfinding.

1390
01:05:07,058 --> 01:05:10,178
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to call that like just player tracking.

1391
01:05:10,218 --> 01:05:15,658
Speaker 2: It's player tracking, right, but it's obviously it's it's it's organized.

1392
01:05:15,938 --> 01:05:19,258
Speaker 2: The data is organized by the analytics departments of these football.

1393
01:05:19,138 --> 01:05:21,738
Speaker 4: I get, like, I guess on a technicality, it's all right,

1394
01:05:21,778 --> 01:05:22,178
Speaker 4: So let.

1395
01:05:22,058 --> 01:05:23,298
Speaker 3: Me say that. I don't we don't need to get

1396
01:05:23,338 --> 01:05:23,858
Speaker 3: bogged out here.

1397
01:05:23,858 --> 01:05:27,018
Speaker 4: If it's if it's analytics, it's analytics, YEP, it's not

1398
01:05:27,338 --> 01:05:30,058
Speaker 4: the math. That is not what I would consider the math.

1399
01:05:30,578 --> 01:05:33,978
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, And I don't

1400
01:05:34,018 --> 01:05:36,578
Speaker 2: we don't need to argue about the math of the seventeenth,

1401
01:05:36,578 --> 01:05:37,818
Speaker 2: one hundredth time of our lives.

1402
01:05:37,818 --> 01:05:40,578
Speaker 3: But sounds good. I definitely.

1403
01:05:41,538 --> 01:05:44,738
Speaker 2: I just look at it as they have all this data,

1404
01:05:44,818 --> 01:05:47,138
Speaker 2: they have all this stuff that's available to them that

1405
01:05:47,178 --> 01:05:51,578
Speaker 2: they are openly, willingly choosing to ignore, and all these

1406
01:05:51,618 --> 01:05:56,098
Speaker 2: other teams that are winning and are having success. And

1407
01:05:56,098 --> 01:05:58,218
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, like, I'm not saying that Andy

1408
01:05:58,258 --> 01:06:01,578
Speaker 2: Reid and Patrick Mahomes are successful because of analytics, right, Like,

1409
01:06:01,578 --> 01:06:04,258
Speaker 2: that's not what I'm saying. But a lot of what

1410
01:06:04,298 --> 01:06:07,978
Speaker 2: they're doing in Kansas City is analytically driven in terms

1411
01:06:07,978 --> 01:06:12,218
Speaker 2: of finding the fringe guys to help and supplement Patrick

1412
01:06:12,258 --> 01:06:15,898
Speaker 2: Mahomes and Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey Margins and Chris

1413
01:06:15,978 --> 01:06:16,938
Speaker 2: Jones and right.

1414
01:06:16,898 --> 01:06:19,658
Speaker 4: So what Rabel's all about, that's every it's used as

1415
01:06:19,658 --> 01:06:22,378
Speaker 4: a dirty term, like, oh, Rabel, get ready to win

1416
01:06:22,418 --> 01:06:24,378
Speaker 4: on the Margins. Yeah, all I heard is get ready

1417
01:06:24,418 --> 01:06:26,618
Speaker 4: to win. I'm good with that. I don't really care,

1418
01:06:26,698 --> 01:06:29,018
Speaker 4: how I really, I don't care if they win every

1419
01:06:29,058 --> 01:06:31,498
Speaker 4: game by one or whenever, game by forty. If they

1420
01:06:31,538 --> 01:06:32,818
Speaker 4: win every game. I'm happy.

1421
01:06:33,258 --> 01:06:35,538
Speaker 2: So the last thing I want to talk about when

1422
01:06:35,538 --> 01:06:39,498
Speaker 2: it comes to this analytics thing was the conversation that's

1423
01:06:39,538 --> 01:06:42,018
Speaker 2: going around Twitter. You got clipped, you got well, you

1424
01:06:42,098 --> 01:06:44,778
Speaker 2: got one already. You know, you do seventeen different media

1425
01:06:44,858 --> 01:06:47,178
Speaker 2: and things. You're about to get clipped and all the

1426
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:50,498
Speaker 2: all the nerds, you know, all my people, my brethren

1427
01:06:50,778 --> 01:06:52,738
Speaker 2: are are piling on him a little bit because he

1428
01:06:52,818 --> 01:06:54,898
Speaker 2: dropped the stat of like teams that rush at more

1429
01:06:54,938 --> 01:06:56,938
Speaker 2: than forty times or one hundred and fifty five and

1430
01:06:56,978 --> 01:07:02,778
Speaker 2: two or whatever, and that's causation correlation like whatever, nerd, okay, whatever.

1431
01:07:03,218 --> 01:07:06,698
Speaker 2: But what I look at when it comes to the

1432
01:07:06,778 --> 01:07:08,898
Speaker 2: run game, and this is where I think you misunderstand

1433
01:07:08,898 --> 01:07:12,098
Speaker 2: me again. I'm not anti running the football. I'm anti

1434
01:07:12,178 --> 01:07:15,018
Speaker 2: running back, but I'm not anti running the football. But

1435
01:07:15,058 --> 01:07:17,698
Speaker 2: if you're gonna run the football, it's you're running with

1436
01:07:17,778 --> 01:07:21,298
Speaker 2: a purpose, right, So I'm running for two things. I'm

1437
01:07:21,338 --> 01:07:24,578
Speaker 2: running for explosives and I'm running to set up play action.

1438
01:07:24,698 --> 01:07:26,618
Speaker 4: You need you have an explosive running back.

1439
01:07:27,298 --> 01:07:28,618
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm doing.

1440
01:07:28,778 --> 01:07:31,498
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not one of the people that will

1441
01:07:31,538 --> 01:07:35,098
Speaker 2: ever believe and we need to establish the run and

1442
01:07:35,098 --> 01:07:36,618
Speaker 2: we need to set a tone and we need to

1443
01:07:36,658 --> 01:07:39,778
Speaker 2: be the more physical team. Purpose no running with the

1444
01:07:39,818 --> 01:07:43,898
Speaker 2: purpose to me is you're running to set up things.

1445
01:07:44,098 --> 01:07:47,818
Speaker 2: You're running to hit bigger plays off of play action.

1446
01:07:47,978 --> 01:07:51,778
Speaker 2: You are running to, you know, make explosives in the

1447
01:07:51,858 --> 01:07:54,698
Speaker 2: run game on its own. You are running the football

1448
01:07:54,778 --> 01:07:57,178
Speaker 2: late in games because you have a two score lead

1449
01:07:57,218 --> 01:08:00,218
Speaker 2: and you're trying to milk clock. Like that is effective

1450
01:08:00,258 --> 01:08:04,098
Speaker 2: efficient running. If you go into football games and you

1451
01:08:04,298 --> 01:08:07,178
Speaker 2: think that if we run it forty times today, we

1452
01:08:07,258 --> 01:08:11,058
Speaker 2: are going to win. That that's that's antiquated, right, Like

1453
01:08:11,098 --> 01:08:13,578
Speaker 2: you're looking at it backwards. So the good teams, because

1454
01:08:13,618 --> 01:08:15,818
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna mention it, but the good teams

1455
01:08:15,898 --> 01:08:20,258
Speaker 2: like Detroit, like Baltimore, like Philadelphia that are run first teams, ye,

1456
01:08:20,577 --> 01:08:23,617
Speaker 2: are highly highly efficient.

1457
01:08:23,418 --> 01:08:26,697
Speaker 4: Passing teams have efficient passing team.

1458
01:08:26,898 --> 01:08:29,458
Speaker 2: The reason why they're so efficient passing the ball, though,

1459
01:08:29,738 --> 01:08:31,418
Speaker 2: is because a lot of what they do in the

1460
01:08:31,458 --> 01:08:34,697
Speaker 2: past game branches off their run game. So that's where

1461
01:08:34,938 --> 01:08:38,338
Speaker 2: the hand in hand goes together. I understand that he

1462
01:08:38,458 --> 01:08:41,097
Speaker 2: kind of got finger wagged for the stat that he dropped,

1463
01:08:41,497 --> 01:08:44,858
Speaker 2: but I actually understood the bigger picture conversation that he

1464
01:08:44,898 --> 01:08:47,218
Speaker 2: was trying to have maybe we look at it, you know,

1465
01:08:47,298 --> 01:08:50,298
Speaker 2: slightly differently from there. But I'm not like totally anti

1466
01:08:50,458 --> 01:08:54,298
Speaker 2: it what he said. I just hope that the point

1467
01:08:54,298 --> 01:08:57,138
Speaker 2: of the run game for him should be to set

1468
01:08:57,218 --> 01:09:00,057
Speaker 2: up the pass game and to and to close out games.

1469
01:09:00,098 --> 01:09:03,097
Speaker 4: Why can't be to set up the fast pass game

1470
01:09:03,218 --> 01:09:06,337
Speaker 4: and establish some sort of physicality.

1471
01:09:05,697 --> 01:09:08,937
Speaker 2: Because the establishing the physicality is not gonna win you jack.

1472
01:09:09,058 --> 01:09:11,617
Speaker 4: But if you, if you, if you come out early

1473
01:09:11,697 --> 01:09:13,897
Speaker 4: and you run the ball and you put body blows

1474
01:09:13,937 --> 01:09:15,817
Speaker 4: into that defensive front, it's gonna get a lot harder

1475
01:09:15,817 --> 01:09:19,178
Speaker 4: for them to rush. The quarterback is based off of

1476
01:09:19,178 --> 01:09:20,817
Speaker 4: what you're physically wearing them down.

1477
01:09:21,418 --> 01:09:24,257
Speaker 2: There's no proofer evidence of that. There's no proofer evidence

1478
01:09:24,258 --> 01:09:26,497
Speaker 2: that any of that has an effect on that. Now,

1479
01:09:26,497 --> 01:09:29,657
Speaker 2: what does have an effect is I said to him

1480
01:09:29,657 --> 01:09:32,458
Speaker 2: that my favorite run was Power. Right, So you come

1481
01:09:32,458 --> 01:09:34,897
Speaker 2: into the game and you run Power, and you pull

1482
01:09:34,978 --> 01:09:36,777
Speaker 2: the guard through and you get them up on the

1483
01:09:36,817 --> 01:09:39,577
Speaker 2: second level, and now all of a sudden, those linebackers

1484
01:09:39,577 --> 01:09:42,178
Speaker 2: and those safeties have to respect the poll and now

1485
01:09:42,218 --> 01:09:44,218
Speaker 2: you false pull them and then you hit the play

1486
01:09:44,258 --> 01:09:45,937
Speaker 2: action behind it that's going on.

1487
01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:47,577
Speaker 4: You don't think it's a little bit harder to chase

1488
01:09:47,617 --> 01:09:50,097
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson around the backfield after Derek Henry just put

1489
01:09:50,098 --> 01:09:51,897
Speaker 4: his shoulder in your chest to play or two before.

1490
01:09:52,617 --> 01:09:55,017
Speaker 2: I'm sure it is like I've never I've never been there,

1491
01:09:55,018 --> 01:09:57,058
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna sit here and act like it is.

1492
01:09:57,258 --> 01:09:59,258
Speaker 4: Look, I've never been there. But you know, you see

1493
01:09:59,258 --> 01:10:01,977
Speaker 4: how defensive line and react when team runs the ball

1494
01:10:01,978 --> 01:10:04,217
Speaker 4: a couple times in a row, they look kind of gassed.

1495
01:10:04,418 --> 01:10:06,178
Speaker 4: You only start getting little banged up. Maybe you have

1496
01:10:06,218 --> 01:10:08,937
Speaker 4: team subbing, but now you're getting good players off the field,

1497
01:10:09,378 --> 01:10:11,857
Speaker 4: So I think you can do And maybe that is

1498
01:10:12,258 --> 01:10:13,977
Speaker 4: in a sense that is running to set up the pass,

1499
01:10:13,978 --> 01:10:15,458
Speaker 4: So I guess it's not counter to you. But like

1500
01:10:15,897 --> 01:10:18,857
Speaker 4: when I when I hear that stat, right, that what

1501
01:10:19,178 --> 01:10:20,537
Speaker 4: is it? It's like if you throw more than forty

1502
01:10:20,537 --> 01:10:22,497
Speaker 4: five times in a game quarterbacks when twenty percent of

1503
01:10:22,537 --> 01:10:25,138
Speaker 4: the time outside Tom Brady, Yeah right, and then the

1504
01:10:25,138 --> 01:10:27,298
Speaker 4: inverse that one fifty five and two when you run

1505
01:10:27,418 --> 01:10:30,298
Speaker 4: X number of times. I think if you go into

1506
01:10:30,338 --> 01:10:34,378
Speaker 4: a game planning to run the ball forty times, you're

1507
01:10:34,418 --> 01:10:36,697
Speaker 4: kidding yourself. I think if you go into a game

1508
01:10:36,777 --> 01:10:39,617
Speaker 4: outside of very very specific examples, right the win game

1509
01:10:39,978 --> 01:10:42,937
Speaker 4: in Buffalo or twenty fourteen against Baltimore when they came

1510
01:10:42,937 --> 01:10:44,378
Speaker 4: out in the second half, just like, we're not gonna

1511
01:10:44,418 --> 01:10:48,297
Speaker 4: run the ball. Right outside of very very specific matchup examples,

1512
01:10:49,058 --> 01:10:51,458
Speaker 4: if you come into a game plan to plan to

1513
01:10:51,458 --> 01:10:53,657
Speaker 4: throw the ball forty times, you're kidding yourself. If you

1514
01:10:53,737 --> 01:10:55,817
Speaker 4: come into a game plan to run the ball forty times,

1515
01:10:55,897 --> 01:10:59,258
Speaker 4: you're kidding yourself. The best offenses do both. The best

1516
01:10:59,298 --> 01:11:01,937
Speaker 4: offenses are balanced. I don't think you can win in

1517
01:11:01,937 --> 01:11:05,218
Speaker 4: this league, however good that one dimension is. I don't

1518
01:11:05,218 --> 01:11:06,777
Speaker 4: think it's possible to win in this league at a

1519
01:11:06,857 --> 01:11:09,817
Speaker 4: high level as a one dimensional offense. There may be

1520
01:11:09,897 --> 01:11:12,977
Speaker 4: games here or there. Maybe you realize after one quarter, hey,

1521
01:11:13,098 --> 01:11:14,897
Speaker 4: we can't run the ball in these guys. We're gonna

1522
01:11:14,897 --> 01:11:16,298
Speaker 4: have to throw out forty times. Or you go into

1523
01:11:16,298 --> 01:11:19,217
Speaker 4: a game and you realize, hey, the conditions suck for throwing.

1524
01:11:19,458 --> 01:11:21,018
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to run this thing the rest of

1525
01:11:21,018 --> 01:11:22,777
Speaker 4: the way and get there. Like that might happen in

1526
01:11:22,817 --> 01:11:26,537
Speaker 4: moments as in game adjustments, But if you go into

1527
01:11:26,537 --> 01:11:28,977
Speaker 4: a game planning to be so heavy one way or

1528
01:11:29,018 --> 01:11:31,097
Speaker 4: so heavy the other, you go into a season planning

1529
01:11:31,098 --> 01:11:32,977
Speaker 4: to be so heavy one way or so heavy the other.

1530
01:11:33,258 --> 01:11:36,577
Speaker 4: You're kidding yourself. It's not gonna work ideally, Like you'd

1531
01:11:36,617 --> 01:11:39,178
Speaker 4: love to end every game running the football five ten

1532
01:11:39,218 --> 01:11:40,937
Speaker 4: times in a row, because it means you're up a

1533
01:11:40,937 --> 01:11:42,657
Speaker 4: couple of scores. You're trying to run the clock out.

1534
01:11:42,937 --> 01:11:44,937
Speaker 4: So if you end up running the ball forty times,

1535
01:11:44,937 --> 01:11:46,418
Speaker 4: like it might happen, or maybe you're.

1536
01:11:46,258 --> 01:11:50,258
Speaker 2: You you have to make this comebacking right, like you run.

1537
01:11:50,378 --> 01:11:52,378
Speaker 2: Like the reason why teams have such a great record

1538
01:11:52,418 --> 01:11:54,977
Speaker 2: and they run it forty times is because they're winning

1539
01:11:55,018 --> 01:11:55,378
Speaker 2: and you're not.

1540
01:11:55,697 --> 01:11:57,977
Speaker 4: If you're nuts, if you don't think Mike Rabeil understands that. No,

1541
01:11:58,098 --> 01:12:00,697
Speaker 4: I think I know not. The people on the internet

1542
01:12:00,737 --> 01:12:02,737
Speaker 4: think he doesn't understand it, and those people.

1543
01:12:02,537 --> 01:12:04,897
Speaker 2: Are fell into like a little coach speaking it's not

1544
01:12:04,937 --> 01:12:05,338
Speaker 2: that big.

1545
01:12:05,298 --> 01:12:07,617
Speaker 4: Right, Well, those those people claim to know football, but

1546
01:12:07,617 --> 01:12:10,177
Speaker 4: their noses too deep in Microsoft Excel. My point being,

1547
01:12:10,298 --> 01:12:10,857
Speaker 4: oh my god, I.

1548
01:12:12,737 --> 01:12:14,697
Speaker 3: When you sit there and you say these things, it's

1549
01:12:14,737 --> 01:12:16,097
Speaker 3: just the self aware you.

1550
01:12:16,058 --> 01:12:17,977
Speaker 2: Know exactly what I'm talking I know you what you're

1551
01:12:18,018 --> 01:12:20,737
Speaker 2: talking about, but you're saying it like somebody that that

1552
01:12:20,897 --> 01:12:25,097
Speaker 2: like is you do not use microsoftself what like you're

1553
01:12:25,098 --> 01:12:28,058
Speaker 2: saying it like you're Dan Campbell, Like you have to

1554
01:12:28,138 --> 01:12:29,458
Speaker 2: realize there.

1555
01:12:29,458 --> 01:12:32,098
Speaker 4: Doesn't use Microsoft. I think I can talk about not

1556
01:12:32,218 --> 01:12:34,817
Speaker 4: using Microsoft Excel. I think that's perfectly fair.

1557
01:12:35,458 --> 01:12:35,737
Speaker 3: Good.

1558
01:12:36,577 --> 01:12:39,137
Speaker 4: The point being what I got from that from Rabel

1559
01:12:39,777 --> 01:12:42,418
Speaker 4: was there not gonna be a one dimensional offense. I agreed,

1560
01:12:42,497 --> 01:12:44,097
Speaker 4: And that's good because I think a lot of people

1561
01:12:44,178 --> 01:12:45,977
Speaker 4: wanted them to be a one dimensional offense. I think

1562
01:12:46,018 --> 01:12:47,977
Speaker 4: a lot of people wanted them to be We're gonna

1563
01:12:47,978 --> 01:12:49,497
Speaker 4: come out and Drake may is gonna throw it all

1564
01:12:49,497 --> 01:12:51,218
Speaker 4: over the yard and our runs are either gonna be

1565
01:12:51,258 --> 01:12:54,017
Speaker 4: designed quarterback runs or him scrambling, and that's not what

1566
01:12:54,058 --> 01:12:55,857
Speaker 4: it's gonna be. There is still gonna be a place

1567
01:12:56,018 --> 01:12:58,937
Speaker 4: for running the football, traditionally running the football. It's gonna

1568
01:12:58,978 --> 01:13:01,617
Speaker 4: be a I don't know significance the right word, but

1569
01:13:01,697 --> 01:13:04,378
Speaker 4: like a major part of the offense. It'll be as

1570
01:13:04,458 --> 01:13:06,217
Speaker 4: much a part of the offense as throwing the football.

1571
01:13:06,458 --> 01:13:09,618
Speaker 4: Good good. I don't want to see them become one dimensional.

1572
01:13:09,937 --> 01:13:12,657
Speaker 4: That's that's how you fail. You can't be one dimensional

1573
01:13:12,657 --> 01:13:14,577
Speaker 4: in the modern and the same thing applies to defensively too.

1574
01:13:14,617 --> 01:13:17,178
Speaker 4: But like you can't be one dimensional in the modern NFL.

1575
01:13:17,058 --> 01:13:19,338
Speaker 2: It's just if you're gonna be a run first team,

1576
01:13:19,497 --> 01:13:21,497
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be like the Detroit Lions, like the

1577
01:13:21,497 --> 01:13:25,017
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens, like the Philadelphia Eagles, and you're truly gonna

1578
01:13:25,058 --> 01:13:29,177
Speaker 2: be a run first football team, you have to when

1579
01:13:29,218 --> 01:13:32,577
Speaker 2: you do pass, you have to be damn good at passing.

1580
01:13:32,777 --> 01:13:34,378
Speaker 4: And what did Mike Crabiles say, we have to be

1581
01:13:34,378 --> 01:13:35,737
Speaker 4: in effective passing team.

1582
01:13:35,817 --> 01:13:38,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's just that's it, right, Like if you

1583
01:13:39,098 --> 01:13:42,298
Speaker 2: the dude, the Lions are twenty seventh in the league

1584
01:13:42,617 --> 01:13:45,537
Speaker 2: and early down pass rate, Yeah, twenty seven. They run

1585
01:13:45,537 --> 01:13:47,458
Speaker 2: the ball a ton work, they run the ball a

1586
01:13:47,497 --> 01:13:51,138
Speaker 2: ton but they're such a good passing game when they

1587
01:13:51,178 --> 01:13:53,497
Speaker 2: have to go to their passing game. And so we

1588
01:13:53,817 --> 01:13:56,977
Speaker 2: both agree with the same philosophy. You pass the score,

1589
01:13:57,058 --> 01:13:59,497
Speaker 2: you run to win, right, And if the Patriots still

1590
01:13:59,497 --> 01:14:02,177
Speaker 2: adhere to that and they get to forty carries because

1591
01:14:02,178 --> 01:14:04,418
Speaker 2: they're up a score or two late in the game

1592
01:14:04,458 --> 01:14:06,617
Speaker 2: and they're just you know, running it, running it, running

1593
01:14:06,657 --> 01:14:09,137
Speaker 2: it to milk the clock and close out games, great,

1594
01:14:09,258 --> 01:14:11,018
Speaker 2: Like that's exactly where you want to be as a

1595
01:14:11,058 --> 01:14:13,178
Speaker 2: team if you think that you're gonna get to that

1596
01:14:13,298 --> 01:14:15,617
Speaker 2: point where you're running clock late in games because you

1597
01:14:15,697 --> 01:14:16,178
Speaker 2: have a lead.

1598
01:14:16,418 --> 01:14:17,138
Speaker 3: By running the.

1599
01:14:17,098 --> 01:14:19,577
Speaker 2: Ball and setting the tone and establishing a run and

1600
01:14:19,617 --> 01:14:22,017
Speaker 2: being more physical and all that kind of stuff, you're

1601
01:14:22,058 --> 01:14:24,577
Speaker 2: gonna be four and thirteen, You're gonna be this the

1602
01:14:24,577 --> 01:14:25,817
Speaker 2: Patriots of twenty twenty four.

1603
01:14:25,937 --> 01:14:28,577
Speaker 4: I think there's more to the physicality element than you're

1604
01:14:28,617 --> 01:14:28,977
Speaker 4: litting on.

1605
01:14:29,138 --> 01:14:30,458
Speaker 3: Yeah, we disagree on that part.

1606
01:14:30,857 --> 01:14:33,138
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know football is a physical game.

1607
01:14:33,138 --> 01:14:33,977
Speaker 4: I guess that's a hot take.

1608
01:14:34,098 --> 01:14:37,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's but like, why does the physicality of

1609
01:14:37,138 --> 01:14:39,257
Speaker 2: the game only pertain to running the football?

1610
01:14:39,737 --> 01:14:42,657
Speaker 4: Running because it's run. Stopping the run is a much

1611
01:14:42,737 --> 01:14:44,378
Speaker 4: more physically demanding.

1612
01:14:43,978 --> 01:14:47,977
Speaker 2: Task for the front passive I would say pass blocking

1613
01:14:48,098 --> 01:14:50,017
Speaker 2: is is also physical, like you're passing.

1614
01:14:50,817 --> 01:14:53,017
Speaker 3: Pass blocking is not passive, like you gotta go.

1615
01:14:53,657 --> 01:14:55,657
Speaker 4: Pass blocking is not That's not what I said. I

1616
01:14:55,697 --> 01:14:58,737
Speaker 4: said Stopping a run is much more physically demanding for

1617
01:14:58,777 --> 01:15:01,258
Speaker 4: the defensive front. Is the offense You're trying to wear

1618
01:15:01,298 --> 01:15:03,218
Speaker 4: out the defensive front, And to your point.

1619
01:15:03,338 --> 01:15:05,737
Speaker 2: You think that it's but like, isn't it physically demanding

1620
01:15:05,777 --> 01:15:08,337
Speaker 2: in a different way? Like isn't chasing around the quarterback

1621
01:15:08,497 --> 01:15:10,857
Speaker 2: or trying to get off the ball and get around

1622
01:15:10,937 --> 01:15:11,338
Speaker 2: the edge.

1623
01:15:11,418 --> 01:15:14,857
Speaker 3: Like that's just it's just more like exclusively.

1624
01:15:14,418 --> 01:15:17,817
Speaker 4: You're not taking like the physical body blows.

1625
01:15:17,937 --> 01:15:19,937
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you see all the time, like you see

1626
01:15:19,937 --> 01:15:22,697
Speaker 2: pass rushers like wear out as games wear on because

1627
01:15:22,737 --> 01:15:24,097
Speaker 2: they are have been trying to.

1628
01:15:24,537 --> 01:15:27,017
Speaker 4: I think that's more of a gradual thing. Whereas like

1629
01:15:27,058 --> 01:15:29,098
Speaker 4: if you if you really punch the other team the

1630
01:15:29,138 --> 01:15:31,458
Speaker 4: mouth up front for the you look at the thirteen

1631
01:15:31,537 --> 01:15:34,537
Speaker 4: play all run drive from the Ravens, right, those guys

1632
01:15:34,617 --> 01:15:37,017
Speaker 4: about eight plays in that Steelers defense was tapped out.

1633
01:15:37,058 --> 01:15:39,817
Speaker 2: Okay, but how about you know, like if you got

1634
01:15:39,817 --> 01:15:43,338
Speaker 2: a receiver like AJ Brown or a receiver you know

1635
01:15:43,458 --> 01:15:45,897
Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard on Sunday when he's stiff arm and dudes

1636
01:15:46,218 --> 01:15:49,418
Speaker 2: like that's also physically hard, like to tackle guys in

1637
01:15:49,497 --> 01:15:52,377
Speaker 2: the secondary now it's all physically tough, like it's Sot's

1638
01:15:52,777 --> 01:15:54,458
Speaker 2: right exactly. So why does it just apply to the

1639
01:15:54,537 --> 01:15:56,697
Speaker 2: run game, Like why is it just hard to stop

1640
01:15:56,737 --> 01:15:57,257
Speaker 2: the run.

1641
01:15:57,098 --> 01:15:58,857
Speaker 4: Because if you because if you run the ball a

1642
01:15:58,857 --> 01:16:02,098
Speaker 4: few times, now, those guys are gassed more so than

1643
01:16:02,138 --> 01:16:04,497
Speaker 4: I think in the past game, especially early on. Right,

1644
01:16:04,537 --> 01:16:06,298
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about yes, if you throw the ball

1645
01:16:06,298 --> 01:16:08,098
Speaker 4: a bunch. The pass rushers get worn out in the

1646
01:16:08,098 --> 01:16:10,697
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. That's what happened twenty eight three. You run

1647
01:16:10,737 --> 01:16:14,137
Speaker 4: the ball a couple of times early on. Now those

1648
01:16:14,218 --> 01:16:17,458
Speaker 4: those defenders are gassed. It sets It's part of setting

1649
01:16:17,497 --> 01:16:19,458
Speaker 4: up the pass. Like to your point, it's part of

1650
01:16:19,497 --> 01:16:22,298
Speaker 4: how the run game sets up the pass. Like these

1651
01:16:22,338 --> 01:16:24,218
Speaker 4: guys are now because they're they're trying to tackle, they're

1652
01:16:24,218 --> 01:16:25,977
Speaker 4: trying to fight through double teams. They're trying, you know,

1653
01:16:26,138 --> 01:16:27,418
Speaker 4: they get knocked on their ass.

1654
01:16:27,458 --> 01:16:29,657
Speaker 3: Things like a really good way to keep the score down.

1655
01:16:30,577 --> 01:16:32,178
Speaker 4: I don't care if they win thirteen to six.

1656
01:16:32,178 --> 01:16:33,897
Speaker 2: If they win, I mean you have to care about

1657
01:16:33,937 --> 01:16:35,497
Speaker 2: that because they have to be able to play a

1658
01:16:35,537 --> 01:16:35,977
Speaker 2: different way.

1659
01:16:37,617 --> 01:16:38,657
Speaker 3: Your last year without.

1660
01:16:38,418 --> 01:16:40,937
Speaker 4: Scoring, did I not just say you cannot be one dimensioned?

1661
01:16:40,978 --> 01:16:42,737
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to be in this league. You

1662
01:16:42,817 --> 01:16:44,537
Speaker 3: are going to have to outscore people.

1663
01:16:44,697 --> 01:16:46,697
Speaker 2: Yes, if they're going to try to win game seventeen

1664
01:16:46,737 --> 01:16:49,097
Speaker 2: to fourteen, that is a problem. They can't win that way.

1665
01:16:49,218 --> 01:16:51,338
Speaker 2: They basically have tried to win that I'm saying. But

1666
01:16:51,418 --> 01:16:53,298
Speaker 2: I'm not saying come out run the ball forty times.

1667
01:16:53,298 --> 01:16:55,177
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. You should not do. You should

1668
01:16:55,178 --> 01:16:57,258
Speaker 4: not plan going into the game if you end up

1669
01:16:57,298 --> 01:16:58,338
Speaker 4: running it forty you're.

1670
01:16:58,218 --> 01:16:59,977
Speaker 2: Doing by running the ball early on in games is

1671
01:16:59,978 --> 01:17:01,617
Speaker 2: shortening the game, that's all you're doing.

1672
01:17:01,657 --> 01:17:04,817
Speaker 4: Well, you know that's something that I'm actually big on personally.

1673
01:17:04,378 --> 01:17:06,657
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's the problem. They've been trying to do

1674
01:17:06,697 --> 01:17:07,737
Speaker 2: that for three straight years.

1675
01:17:08,058 --> 01:17:11,217
Speaker 4: Well, a good team. Shortening the team is good. Shortening

1676
01:17:11,218 --> 01:17:14,977
Speaker 4: the game is good. But I there's something to be

1677
01:17:15,058 --> 01:17:18,058
Speaker 4: said about establishing the physicality, setting a tone, getting in

1678
01:17:18,098 --> 01:17:19,857
Speaker 4: a rhythm. We hear Lineman talk about that all the

1679
01:17:19,897 --> 01:17:21,657
Speaker 4: time too, Right, getting in a rhythm. You hit a

1680
01:17:21,657 --> 01:17:23,418
Speaker 4: couple of big runs, you hit a couple solid runs.

1681
01:17:23,458 --> 01:17:25,857
Speaker 4: Now the line's feeling it now in the defense is

1682
01:17:25,897 --> 01:17:28,497
Speaker 4: kind of back on their heels. And again it's that mentality.

1683
01:17:28,697 --> 01:17:30,218
Speaker 4: Now when you want to throw the ball, you have

1684
01:17:30,298 --> 01:17:33,217
Speaker 4: a established that advantage up front, and maybe that buys

1685
01:17:33,258 --> 01:17:34,977
Speaker 4: you more time in the past game or it gets

1686
01:17:34,978 --> 01:17:37,137
Speaker 4: guys cheating a little more on play action or things

1687
01:17:37,178 --> 01:17:39,497
Speaker 4: like that. This is you say you want to run

1688
01:17:39,537 --> 01:17:42,137
Speaker 4: to set up the pass, right, Yes, what does that

1689
01:17:42,218 --> 01:17:44,178
Speaker 4: look like? What is that's not just doing it to

1690
01:17:44,218 --> 01:17:47,138
Speaker 4: do it? There's something that actually happens. Sure to set

1691
01:17:47,218 --> 01:17:48,777
Speaker 4: up the pass but that's what I'm talking about.

1692
01:17:48,817 --> 01:17:49,258
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.

1693
01:17:49,657 --> 01:17:52,418
Speaker 2: Don't think it's not a volume thing to me, right,

1694
01:17:52,497 --> 01:17:54,737
Speaker 2: It's it's a looks thing to me. It's I'm not

1695
01:17:54,777 --> 01:17:57,418
Speaker 2: talking about volume, but you are, though, because if you're

1696
01:17:57,418 --> 01:17:59,817
Speaker 2: talking about shortening games and things like that, you're talking

1697
01:17:59,817 --> 01:18:00,418
Speaker 2: about volvan.

1698
01:18:00,497 --> 01:18:04,857
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like in your in your opening ten playscript, Yes,

1699
01:18:05,098 --> 01:18:07,138
Speaker 4: have three or four good, punch them in the mouth

1700
01:18:07,218 --> 01:18:08,937
Speaker 4: runs in there. That's what I'm talking about.

1701
01:18:08,897 --> 01:18:11,978
Speaker 2: Okay, But that's different than saying we need to establish

1702
01:18:11,978 --> 01:18:14,178
Speaker 2: the run. I think that's establishing the run by having

1703
01:18:14,258 --> 01:18:16,218
Speaker 2: three or four runs in a twenty playscript.

1704
01:18:16,298 --> 01:18:19,097
Speaker 4: If I said ten plays and if you hit them, well,

1705
01:18:19,418 --> 01:18:22,657
Speaker 4: if you execute them, well yeah you can. I think

1706
01:18:22,817 --> 01:18:27,057
Speaker 4: if you watch the playoff games last weekend, a couple

1707
01:18:27,258 --> 01:18:29,177
Speaker 4: big plays early, not even.

1708
01:18:29,018 --> 01:18:31,777
Speaker 2: Like explosive, but just like But I would argue in

1709
01:18:31,817 --> 01:18:35,497
Speaker 2: a lot of those playoff games, especially Buffalo, I would say,

1710
01:18:35,657 --> 01:18:36,337
Speaker 2: like they're.

1711
01:18:36,338 --> 01:18:38,378
Speaker 4: Buffalo's is so much more talented than Denver.

1712
01:18:38,338 --> 01:18:40,817
Speaker 2: Right, but they it took them until the second half

1713
01:18:40,817 --> 01:18:43,057
Speaker 2: to start to blow out Denver because of how they

1714
01:18:43,058 --> 01:18:45,137
Speaker 2: are playing in the first half. Like the I think

1715
01:18:45,138 --> 01:18:47,577
Speaker 2: I would say a lot of those games were closer

1716
01:18:47,617 --> 01:18:49,617
Speaker 2: than they should have been, Like I think Philly Green

1717
01:18:49,657 --> 01:18:50,258
Speaker 2: Bay was closer.

1718
01:18:50,777 --> 01:18:52,937
Speaker 4: I think Buffalo was just rusty because they didn't play

1719
01:18:53,018 --> 01:18:54,178
Speaker 4: last week essentially, like.

1720
01:18:54,258 --> 01:18:56,537
Speaker 2: I think that was I think Buffalo ran way too

1721
01:18:56,577 --> 01:18:57,857
Speaker 2: much in the first half of that game.

1722
01:18:58,018 --> 01:19:00,697
Speaker 4: I well, what's not to say that them running the

1723
01:19:00,697 --> 01:19:02,098
Speaker 4: ball in the first half is would allow them to

1724
01:19:02,138 --> 01:19:04,657
Speaker 4: pull away because they ran out. They ran out to Denver.

1725
01:19:05,577 --> 01:19:08,617
Speaker 2: There's like again, there's just no there's no tangible evidence,

1726
01:19:08,657 --> 01:19:13,497
Speaker 2: there's no But it's the sport because you're just saying that,

1727
01:19:13,577 --> 01:19:16,657
Speaker 2: like that's like you're you're you're saying that. That's like

1728
01:19:16,697 --> 01:19:19,138
Speaker 2: your your gut thing just says that that's true. Like

1729
01:19:19,178 --> 01:19:21,537
Speaker 2: there's so if they if Buffalo had come out in

1730
01:19:21,577 --> 01:19:24,057
Speaker 2: that game, like Denver could not score with you think

1731
01:19:24,218 --> 01:19:26,777
Speaker 2: Denver could not score with Bufffo. So if you just

1732
01:19:26,857 --> 01:19:29,137
Speaker 2: came out of that game and you threw the ball

1733
01:19:29,577 --> 01:19:31,857
Speaker 2: like it did when the Patriots went down, you know,

1734
01:19:32,018 --> 01:19:33,857
Speaker 2: to Buffalo in twenty twenty one, I.

1735
01:19:33,857 --> 01:19:36,258
Speaker 4: Also think that they were rusty. I also just think

1736
01:19:36,258 --> 01:19:40,857
Speaker 4: that Buffalo is rusty. But like you looked at look

1737
01:19:40,897 --> 01:19:43,897
Speaker 4: at the body language right after that thirteen play drive

1738
01:19:43,937 --> 01:19:47,577
Speaker 4: by the Ravens. The Steelers never mentally recovered from that,

1739
01:19:48,817 --> 01:19:51,338
Speaker 4: and I think it's because they're getting pushed around. And

1740
01:19:51,378 --> 01:19:54,458
Speaker 4: when you get knocked around a couple of times, you

1741
01:19:54,537 --> 01:19:56,418
Speaker 4: can't it's gonna be hard to come back up with

1742
01:19:56,458 --> 01:19:58,937
Speaker 4: that same little confidence. On the flip side, if you're

1743
01:19:58,937 --> 01:20:01,737
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman, you just knock these guys around three

1744
01:20:01,817 --> 01:20:03,697
Speaker 4: or four times in the first ten places, you're gonna

1745
01:20:03,697 --> 01:20:05,497
Speaker 4: be look at each other like, oh, we're feeling it today.

1746
01:20:05,737 --> 01:20:08,017
Speaker 4: Here we go. It's it's it's mental. It's mental as

1747
01:20:08,098 --> 01:20:10,137
Speaker 4: much as it is physical. But there is that physical

1748
01:20:10,178 --> 01:20:12,418
Speaker 4: demandingness that comes with I don't think that's that crazy

1749
01:20:12,458 --> 01:20:12,817
Speaker 4: of take.

1750
01:20:12,978 --> 01:20:15,458
Speaker 3: It's not. It's a it's an antiquated to take, it's

1751
01:20:15,497 --> 01:20:15,937
Speaker 3: not crazy.

1752
01:20:16,018 --> 01:20:18,298
Speaker 4: How how often do we talk about, oh, the offensive

1753
01:20:18,298 --> 01:20:21,737
Speaker 4: line is feeling it right there? The offense lines going.

1754
01:20:21,657 --> 01:20:22,897
Speaker 3: Out having success.

1755
01:20:22,978 --> 01:20:26,737
Speaker 4: So now I can't give you a math number exactly game.

1756
01:20:27,298 --> 01:20:29,218
Speaker 4: This game has been played for a long time. And

1757
01:20:29,258 --> 01:20:31,657
Speaker 4: when you look at teams start to run the football early.

1758
01:20:31,777 --> 01:20:33,737
Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about calling eight runs on your

1759
01:20:33,737 --> 01:20:35,937
Speaker 4: first ten plays. I'm talking about when you get.

1760
01:20:35,777 --> 01:20:37,537
Speaker 3: An offensive want to get them fired up.

1761
01:20:37,577 --> 01:20:40,497
Speaker 4: When you talk when you get an offensive line going early, right,

1762
01:20:41,218 --> 01:20:42,857
Speaker 4: that generally kind of carries through.

1763
01:20:43,338 --> 01:20:44,697
Speaker 3: Okay, So what a better way?

1764
01:20:45,098 --> 01:20:46,617
Speaker 4: A better way to get an offensive line going there

1765
01:20:46,697 --> 01:20:47,777
Speaker 4: running early, That's what I'm saying.

1766
01:20:47,817 --> 01:20:48,977
Speaker 3: Do you know who has confidence?

1767
01:20:49,018 --> 01:20:51,817
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1782
01:21:39,978 --> 01:21:42,977
Speaker 2: England Patriots. Let's get to the phones. I know you

1783
01:21:42,978 --> 01:21:45,497
Speaker 2: guys have been waiting. I appreciate it. Patty is an

1784
01:21:45,497 --> 01:21:46,298
Speaker 2: agu on what's up?

1785
01:21:46,338 --> 01:21:46,617
Speaker 3: Patty?

1786
01:21:48,018 --> 01:21:48,338
Speaker 4: Up? Jen?

1787
01:21:49,098 --> 01:21:49,617
Speaker 3: How are you doing?

1788
01:21:50,298 --> 01:21:50,378
Speaker 4: So?

1789
01:21:51,298 --> 01:21:53,897
Speaker 6: Doing all right? So I got kind of a convoluted question,

1790
01:21:54,058 --> 01:21:59,857
Speaker 6: but there with me. So, if indeed Josh McDaniel is

1791
01:21:59,897 --> 01:22:03,258
Speaker 6: the the next stuffensive coordinator, can you kind of see

1792
01:22:03,338 --> 01:22:07,497
Speaker 6: them sticking to some of the gap runs. And the

1793
01:22:07,537 --> 01:22:11,817
Speaker 6: reason why I asked is my favorite tackle coming out

1794
01:22:11,857 --> 01:22:15,617
Speaker 6: this year is actually Josh Connerly hevn't. I can't wait

1795
01:22:15,657 --> 01:22:19,537
Speaker 6: for you to watch them on this guy. He's but

1796
01:22:19,657 --> 01:22:22,017
Speaker 6: to me, like I think he's more in depth to

1797
01:22:22,018 --> 01:22:24,937
Speaker 6: play in that zone style, whereas like Banks might be

1798
01:22:24,978 --> 01:22:29,058
Speaker 6: able to you know, bridge both styles, because you know,

1799
01:22:29,098 --> 01:22:31,617
Speaker 6: he's he's kind of a a monster, you know. But

1800
01:22:31,857 --> 01:22:35,657
Speaker 6: h Connor is a really good athlete. And from everything

1801
01:22:35,697 --> 01:22:38,017
Speaker 6: that I've heard, like he's twenty he just turned twenty

1802
01:22:38,018 --> 01:22:40,577
Speaker 6: one years old. They don't think that he's hit his

1803
01:22:40,657 --> 01:22:43,138
Speaker 6: physical well, he hasn't hit his physical peak yet, but

1804
01:22:43,178 --> 01:22:46,777
Speaker 6: he's he's only been playing on the line for a

1805
01:22:46,817 --> 01:22:49,418
Speaker 6: few years because he was a running back in basketball player.

1806
01:22:50,857 --> 01:22:53,977
Speaker 6: So I just want to know, like if if they

1807
01:22:54,018 --> 01:22:56,378
Speaker 6: don't run any of those gaps teams, could you see

1808
01:22:56,458 --> 01:22:59,817
Speaker 6: him as a fit in the system.

1809
01:23:00,018 --> 01:23:04,298
Speaker 2: Yeah, day, thanks for the call, Patty, So thanks. In

1810
01:23:04,378 --> 01:23:06,937
Speaker 2: terms of Connorly, I have watched Connory. Yeah, I've seen

1811
01:23:06,978 --> 01:23:10,418
Speaker 2: a little bit of Connorly from the championship game, which

1812
01:23:10,458 --> 01:23:12,857
Speaker 2: was a Big Ten championship. What freaking conference is Oregon?

1813
01:23:12,897 --> 01:23:15,218
Speaker 2: And at this point Big ten championship game?

1814
01:23:15,577 --> 01:23:17,458
Speaker 4: Uh now, let me I should I guess I should

1815
01:23:17,497 --> 01:23:20,378
Speaker 4: check an update the way things are going right this morning.

1816
01:23:20,697 --> 01:23:25,418
Speaker 2: He's a very athletic guy, very toolsy, you know, still young,

1817
01:23:25,497 --> 01:23:28,458
Speaker 2: still raw. Like Patty talked about, not probably not you know,

1818
01:23:28,458 --> 01:23:30,258
Speaker 2: a traditional gap run to.

1819
01:23:30,857 --> 01:23:33,058
Speaker 3: He is more of like a high level pass a

1820
01:23:33,058 --> 01:23:33,817
Speaker 3: little more at.

1821
01:23:34,178 --> 01:23:36,537
Speaker 2: A little bit more athletic, but that's what you're looking

1822
01:23:36,537 --> 01:23:39,657
Speaker 2: for on the blind side with me, with Connorley just

1823
01:23:39,697 --> 01:23:42,817
Speaker 2: starting there, I just I wonder how hw his ceiling

1824
01:23:42,857 --> 01:23:44,497
Speaker 2: is in terms of where he goes in the draft,

1825
01:23:44,617 --> 01:23:47,258
Speaker 2: Like with a draft that has some question marks with

1826
01:23:47,298 --> 01:23:50,617
Speaker 2: certain tackles and you know, are they guards or whatever.

1827
01:23:51,978 --> 01:23:53,537
Speaker 3: He could go high, like he could.

1828
01:23:53,338 --> 01:23:56,777
Speaker 2: Be somebody that sneaks up into the late team's early twenties.

1829
01:23:56,817 --> 01:23:59,258
Speaker 2: I would say just based off the fact that he's

1830
01:23:59,298 --> 01:24:01,817
Speaker 2: got all the trades, he's got some good film against

1831
01:24:01,817 --> 01:24:05,057
Speaker 2: some good competition, you know, late in the season for Oregon.

1832
01:24:05,617 --> 01:24:08,097
Speaker 2: So I just worry about is he going to sort

1833
01:24:08,098 --> 01:24:10,178
Speaker 2: of be in that no man's land for the Patriots

1834
01:24:10,218 --> 01:24:12,737
Speaker 2: who have four and thirty eight? Like, how do you

1835
01:24:12,777 --> 01:24:15,497
Speaker 2: bridge the gap if he goes twenty, Like, you're not,

1836
01:24:15,937 --> 01:24:17,338
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be in the range for him.

1837
01:24:17,537 --> 01:24:19,418
Speaker 4: And that's where trading down comes in will be interesting

1838
01:24:19,497 --> 01:24:22,058
Speaker 4: him Arianta Urseres another guy like who are kind of

1839
01:24:22,058 --> 01:24:25,178
Speaker 4: in that same range. Good player, good player, But yeah,

1840
01:24:25,178 --> 01:24:26,697
Speaker 4: it's going to kind of be about where where do

1841
01:24:26,737 --> 01:24:31,897
Speaker 4: they land him. I still am and the camp of

1842
01:24:31,897 --> 01:24:34,617
Speaker 4: trade down especially. I don't know if you saw Dane

1843
01:24:34,617 --> 01:24:37,977
Speaker 4: Burglar's mock draft today, Yes, I said the son I

1844
01:24:38,058 --> 01:24:40,178
Speaker 4: like to. I do too. I didn't love it for

1845
01:24:40,178 --> 01:24:41,977
Speaker 4: the Patriots. That's not actually the point I wanted to make.

1846
01:24:42,737 --> 01:24:45,138
Speaker 4: I said this the other night on Twitter, and I

1847
01:24:45,178 --> 01:24:46,937
Speaker 4: think it's something we're gonna need to talk about quite

1848
01:24:46,978 --> 01:24:50,017
Speaker 4: a bit. His top three were cam Ward I think

1849
01:24:50,058 --> 01:24:52,097
Speaker 4: this is in ORR if I have it correctly, cam Ward,

1850
01:24:52,218 --> 01:24:57,017
Speaker 4: Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter. So like, I don't think

1851
01:24:57,058 --> 01:25:00,418
Speaker 4: the conversation is is Abdull Carter the best player on

1852
01:25:00,458 --> 01:25:03,177
Speaker 4: the Is Abdull Carter the right player for the Patriots

1853
01:25:03,178 --> 01:25:04,937
Speaker 4: at four? I think the real question is Abdual Carter

1854
01:25:05,018 --> 01:25:07,298
Speaker 4: going to be on the board at four for the Patriots?

1855
01:25:07,697 --> 01:25:09,258
Speaker 4: And you know, I asked that and a lot of

1856
01:25:09,258 --> 01:25:12,897
Speaker 4: people said, well, you draft Travis Hunter. I don't think.

1857
01:25:13,058 --> 01:25:13,497
Speaker 3: I don't.

1858
01:25:13,577 --> 01:25:15,218
Speaker 4: I think that there's a chance that you only have

1859
01:25:15,218 --> 01:25:18,178
Speaker 4: one quarterback go in in the top three, and it's

1860
01:25:18,218 --> 01:25:20,298
Speaker 4: Carter and Hunter with him. So now those two guys

1861
01:25:20,338 --> 01:25:22,217
Speaker 4: are off the board. So now what do you do?

1862
01:25:22,218 --> 01:25:23,897
Speaker 4: Do you take Teed McMillan at four? Do you take

1863
01:25:23,937 --> 01:25:27,298
Speaker 4: Kelvin Bankster, Will Campbell at four? Do you take Mason Graham?

1864
01:25:27,817 --> 01:25:29,937
Speaker 4: I still think moving down makes the most sense, and

1865
01:25:29,978 --> 01:25:32,218
Speaker 4: maybe that's you move the bridge the gap. Do you

1866
01:25:32,258 --> 01:25:34,178
Speaker 4: move from four to six? Out of know Evan, you

1867
01:25:34,258 --> 01:25:35,897
Speaker 4: tell me if this is an overpay by the Raiders,

1868
01:25:36,338 --> 01:25:38,137
Speaker 4: do you move from four to six and then get

1869
01:25:38,178 --> 01:25:40,937
Speaker 4: thirty seven? And that's the whole trade and you don't

1870
01:25:40,937 --> 01:25:42,657
Speaker 4: get in the future first, which would kind of suck,

1871
01:25:42,817 --> 01:25:44,058
Speaker 4: But you don't have a ton of leverage in a

1872
01:25:44,098 --> 01:25:46,577
Speaker 4: two quarterback draft, But now you have thirty seven and

1873
01:25:46,657 --> 01:25:48,418
Speaker 4: thirty eight in the second round, and you can do

1874
01:25:48,458 --> 01:25:51,458
Speaker 4: a lot with that, and you could package those two

1875
01:25:51,497 --> 01:25:54,378
Speaker 4: and probably get back up into the top twenty right

1876
01:25:54,418 --> 01:25:56,657
Speaker 4: around twenty. So it let's call twenty two to be

1877
01:25:56,897 --> 01:26:00,977
Speaker 4: just to split the difference. Would you rather pick and

1878
01:26:00,978 --> 01:26:02,298
Speaker 4: if you don't think it's a fair if you don't

1879
01:26:02,298 --> 01:26:03,977
Speaker 4: think the Raiders would do it, feel free to say that.

1880
01:26:04,018 --> 01:26:06,817
Speaker 4: But would you rather pick at four and thirty eight

1881
01:26:08,018 --> 01:26:10,258
Speaker 4: where you still maybe have a chance at Carter, or

1882
01:26:10,817 --> 01:26:12,138
Speaker 4: now you have no chance at Carter, but you're now

1883
01:26:12,138 --> 01:26:14,418
Speaker 4: picking at like six in twenty two?

1884
01:26:14,897 --> 01:26:17,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if the Raiders would do that.

1885
01:26:17,857 --> 01:26:19,577
Speaker 3: I think it would. It would, Matt.

1886
01:26:19,657 --> 01:26:21,657
Speaker 2: You know, you tell me that these quarterbacks are gonna

1887
01:26:21,657 --> 01:26:23,418
Speaker 2: go higher than I think. So I guess if the

1888
01:26:23,537 --> 01:26:26,098
Speaker 2: Raiders are worried that somebody from behind them is going

1889
01:26:26,138 --> 01:26:28,737
Speaker 2: to jump them for Sir Door Sanders, and they want

1890
01:26:28,777 --> 01:26:31,577
Speaker 2: to make sure they have them sign sealed delivered by

1891
01:26:31,617 --> 01:26:33,777
Speaker 2: moving up the four, like I could see a trade

1892
01:26:33,817 --> 01:26:38,218
Speaker 2: like that happening. I would probably rather pick twice in

1893
01:26:38,258 --> 01:26:41,737
Speaker 2: the first round in this type of class. I feel like,

1894
01:26:41,737 --> 01:26:45,058
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some guys at in the twenties in

1895
01:26:45,098 --> 01:26:49,497
Speaker 2: this draft that are going to be really interesting players

1896
01:26:49,497 --> 01:26:54,577
Speaker 2: that probably aren't shore fire, blue chip and top of

1897
01:26:54,577 --> 01:26:57,378
Speaker 2: the line prospects, but have those types of traits like

1898
01:26:58,258 --> 01:27:01,378
Speaker 2: Connory Josh Simmons, who I know you're luke warmon, but

1899
01:27:01,418 --> 01:27:03,537
Speaker 2: if he's your second pick in the draft and other

1900
01:27:03,577 --> 01:27:06,857
Speaker 2: things happen in free agency, some of the receivers you know,

1901
01:27:06,897 --> 01:27:10,497
Speaker 2: a Mecca Abuka, Matthew Gold and Luther Burden, like those

1902
01:27:10,537 --> 01:27:12,458
Speaker 2: types of guys. I don't think those guys are top

1903
01:27:12,537 --> 01:27:16,458
Speaker 2: ten players in a draft, but you pick you know,

1904
01:27:16,777 --> 01:27:19,737
Speaker 2: Luther Burden at twenty two, like that makes sense. You know,

1905
01:27:19,817 --> 01:27:22,977
Speaker 2: that's right where the Ze Flowers JSN group went a

1906
01:27:22,978 --> 01:27:25,737
Speaker 2: couple of years ago that I can get on board with.

1907
01:27:26,218 --> 01:27:27,737
Speaker 3: And I do think that that helps you a lot.

1908
01:27:27,777 --> 01:27:29,817
Speaker 2: Whereas when you wait all the way to thirty eight

1909
01:27:30,537 --> 01:27:32,458
Speaker 2: to make your second pick in this draft, I think

1910
01:27:32,497 --> 01:27:34,617
Speaker 2: there's a pretty significant drop off because it's not a

1911
01:27:34,657 --> 01:27:38,697
Speaker 2: great top of the draft. The drop off there comes quick,

1912
01:27:38,857 --> 01:27:40,697
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna come hard for a lot

1913
01:27:40,697 --> 01:27:42,817
Speaker 2: of teams. So if you're really looking for a guy

1914
01:27:42,857 --> 01:27:45,897
Speaker 2: that can make a day one impact, you're probably gonna

1915
01:27:45,937 --> 01:27:47,817
Speaker 2: have to move up from thirty eight to get that.

1916
01:27:47,697 --> 01:27:51,217
Speaker 4: Sh So moving down from four to then move up, Yeah,

1917
01:27:51,298 --> 01:27:54,378
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think especially if Carter's not there

1918
01:27:54,418 --> 01:27:56,897
Speaker 4: at four, if Carter and Hunter are not there at

1919
01:27:56,897 --> 01:28:00,257
Speaker 4: for I don't know that you like, are Will Campbell

1920
01:28:00,258 --> 01:28:03,777
Speaker 4: and Calvin Bank's going, Well, they're not going like four

1921
01:28:03,817 --> 01:28:06,378
Speaker 4: your trading for quarterbacks, So you're gonna lose one guy

1922
01:28:06,418 --> 01:28:08,218
Speaker 4: at five. Now you're on the board at six. Now

1923
01:28:08,258 --> 01:28:12,418
Speaker 4: you're in great shape. So I still think trading back

1924
01:28:12,497 --> 01:28:13,258
Speaker 4: makes the most sense.

1925
01:28:13,497 --> 01:28:18,777
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the gap scheme question, if they hire.

1926
01:28:18,657 --> 01:28:21,218
Speaker 3: McDaniels, they're gonna run gap. Yeah, like that that that's

1927
01:28:21,258 --> 01:28:22,097
Speaker 3: always what he's done.

1928
01:28:22,138 --> 01:28:24,817
Speaker 2: That's always you know, outside zones obviously in his playbook

1929
01:28:24,817 --> 01:28:28,538
Speaker 2: and it's in his arsenal. But if they hire McDaniels

1930
01:28:28,817 --> 01:28:31,617
Speaker 2: in McDaniel's playbook, yeah, well that's Daniels' playbook. Is that,

1931
01:28:31,657 --> 01:28:35,217
Speaker 2: it's literally everything. If they're gonna hire McDaniels, they're gonna

1932
01:28:35,258 --> 01:28:38,057
Speaker 2: run Downhill at teams, they're gonna run Gap, they're gonna

1933
01:28:38,098 --> 01:28:40,857
Speaker 2: run Power, they're gonna run Counter, they're gonna run Iso,

1934
01:28:40,897 --> 01:28:43,937
Speaker 2: you know, lead full back dive, whatever you wanna call it.

1935
01:28:43,978 --> 01:28:47,097
Speaker 2: They're gonna run. Uh, They're gonna run all that type

1936
01:28:47,098 --> 01:28:48,458
Speaker 2: of stuff. They're gonna get downhill.

1937
01:28:48,857 --> 01:28:48,977
Speaker 3: Uh.

1938
01:28:49,098 --> 01:28:51,097
Speaker 2: If they go with one of these West Coast guys,

1939
01:28:51,098 --> 01:28:53,418
Speaker 2: and they're probably gonna stick to what Rabel did in

1940
01:28:53,458 --> 01:28:56,497
Speaker 2: Tennessee and run some outside zone and be a wide

1941
01:28:56,577 --> 01:28:59,258
Speaker 2: zone team, which is okay too. Like it doesn't it

1942
01:28:59,298 --> 01:29:03,297
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter now, assuming that you know it's not college.

1943
01:29:03,298 --> 01:29:05,217
Speaker 2: It's not They're not going in the portal and turning

1944
01:29:05,218 --> 01:29:08,178
Speaker 2: over the entire roster most likely, So assuming that they

1945
01:29:08,178 --> 01:29:11,617
Speaker 2: still have some of the same pieces, I do still

1946
01:29:11,617 --> 01:29:15,258
Speaker 2: believe that their personnel fits a gap scheme better. Like

1947
01:29:15,298 --> 01:29:17,937
Speaker 2: I still would rather see Mike on Wentu in a

1948
01:29:17,978 --> 01:29:21,178
Speaker 2: gap scheme. I still would rather see Leyden Robinson if

1949
01:29:21,218 --> 01:29:23,537
Speaker 2: he's a guy that has potential to start down the line,

1950
01:29:23,617 --> 01:29:26,297
Speaker 2: Cayden Wallace if he has potential to start down the line.

1951
01:29:26,378 --> 01:29:29,617
Speaker 2: I would still rather see those guys in a gap scheme.

1952
01:29:30,138 --> 01:29:32,057
Speaker 2: So I like the idea of that better. But if

1953
01:29:32,058 --> 01:29:34,817
Speaker 2: you're telling me that they're going to completely retool the

1954
01:29:34,937 --> 01:29:37,338
Speaker 2: entire offensive line and get more athletic and get leaner

1955
01:29:37,378 --> 01:29:39,458
Speaker 2: and get all that type of stuff, then okay, then

1956
01:29:39,458 --> 01:29:41,737
Speaker 2: you can go back to the zone scheme. But in

1957
01:29:41,777 --> 01:29:43,737
Speaker 2: Tennessee they had to do that. You know, they the

1958
01:29:43,817 --> 01:29:46,017
Speaker 2: floor kind of started it, Arthur Smith kind of finished

1959
01:29:46,018 --> 01:29:49,577
Speaker 2: it off. They they changed how they evaluated the line,

1960
01:29:49,697 --> 01:29:54,137
Speaker 2: and they didn't draft big three hundred and fifty pound guards,

1961
01:29:54,497 --> 01:29:57,697
Speaker 2: you know, so that that's a whole philosophical shift. They

1962
01:29:57,697 --> 01:29:59,577
Speaker 2: could get there. You know, it's possible that you could

1963
01:29:59,577 --> 01:30:00,618
Speaker 2: get there, but that.

1964
01:30:00,418 --> 01:30:01,097
Speaker 3: Would take time.

1965
01:30:01,178 --> 01:30:03,378
Speaker 2: You know, that's more than one off season, I would

1966
01:30:03,378 --> 01:30:05,817
Speaker 2: think to make that sort of thing happen. All right,

1967
01:30:06,537 --> 01:30:08,578
Speaker 2: Cole is in Minnesota.

1968
01:30:08,617 --> 01:30:13,057
Speaker 3: What's up, Coley? I were doing? Cole.

1969
01:30:14,537 --> 01:30:14,737
Speaker 5: Hey.

1970
01:30:15,657 --> 01:30:18,977
Speaker 7: So I'm pretty excited about the rabel hire obviously, just

1971
01:30:18,978 --> 01:30:23,257
Speaker 7: like everybody else. And I kind of agree with Evan obviously.

1972
01:30:23,338 --> 01:30:23,857
Speaker 2: I think.

1973
01:30:25,338 --> 01:30:30,338
Speaker 7: As far as an experienced offensive coordinator goes, Josh McDaniels

1974
01:30:30,817 --> 01:30:35,178
Speaker 7: pretty easy pick. It feels like the only thing I'm

1975
01:30:35,178 --> 01:30:38,577
Speaker 7: worried about. Like, even with Bill at the height of

1976
01:30:38,617 --> 01:30:41,737
Speaker 7: the Patriots, you know, he still had guys around him

1977
01:30:41,737 --> 01:30:47,697
Speaker 7: that weren't necessarily yes man Ernie Adams who could at

1978
01:30:47,777 --> 01:30:50,617
Speaker 7: least butt heads with him and challenge his way of thinking.

1979
01:30:51,418 --> 01:30:55,458
Speaker 7: So I'm just hoping that you know, obviously Rabel's a

1980
01:30:55,497 --> 01:30:59,058
Speaker 7: pretty strongly opinionated guy. You know, he's passionate, you know,

1981
01:30:59,098 --> 01:31:01,057
Speaker 7: so I feel like it's important to find a guy

1982
01:31:01,098 --> 01:31:03,617
Speaker 7: that you know, doesn't have to soft skin, just isn't

1983
01:31:03,657 --> 01:31:06,577
Speaker 7: gonna do be a yes man and can challenge his

1984
01:31:06,617 --> 01:31:07,617
Speaker 7: way of thinking as well.

1985
01:31:09,577 --> 01:31:11,418
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a good question.

1986
01:31:11,458 --> 01:31:15,178
Speaker 4: Thanks to say something and the press conference where it's like,

1987
01:31:15,298 --> 01:31:17,177
Speaker 4: we don't all want to be I don't want everybody

1988
01:31:17,218 --> 01:31:18,697
Speaker 4: to be on the same page or something like that.

1989
01:31:18,777 --> 01:31:21,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you definitely want people to challenge.

1990
01:31:20,897 --> 01:31:22,857
Speaker 4: You, right, It hit everybody weird. It's like, why why

1991
01:31:22,897 --> 01:31:24,737
Speaker 4: don't why doesn't he want everybody in the same page.

1992
01:31:24,777 --> 01:31:26,138
Speaker 4: I took that to mean like, yeah, I don't want

1993
01:31:26,218 --> 01:31:27,737
Speaker 4: let yes men Like, yeah, you're gonna get on the

1994
01:31:27,777 --> 01:31:30,657
Speaker 4: same page eventually. But you know, differentiating off idea as

1995
01:31:30,697 --> 01:31:34,697
Speaker 4: things like that. You know that's for somebody like Ryan Cowden.

1996
01:31:34,777 --> 01:31:36,338
Speaker 4: You look at him and it's all right. You know

1997
01:31:36,378 --> 01:31:39,138
Speaker 4: he's been with Verbel before, they have a working relationship,

1998
01:31:39,138 --> 01:31:41,378
Speaker 4: and you look for him to be that guy. Elliott Wolfe,

1999
01:31:42,178 --> 01:31:44,098
Speaker 4: you know, comes from a different background, can maybe be

2000
01:31:44,178 --> 01:31:46,098
Speaker 4: that guy and push back a little bit. I'm not

2001
01:31:46,218 --> 01:31:49,458
Speaker 4: super worried about Rabel insulating himself. I'm really he just

2002
01:31:49,497 --> 01:31:50,697
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like that kind of guy.

2003
01:31:51,497 --> 01:31:54,458
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not super worried about it either. And I

2004
01:31:54,978 --> 01:31:57,897
Speaker 2: think there will be guys that have differing opinions on

2005
01:31:57,937 --> 01:32:01,097
Speaker 2: this staff, and there probably are on every single staff.

2006
01:32:01,138 --> 01:32:03,258
Speaker 2: But I think the most important thing is when we

2007
01:32:03,298 --> 01:32:05,697
Speaker 2: talk about personnel and we talk about this type of stuff,

2008
01:32:05,777 --> 01:32:08,458
Speaker 2: is do you need to really identify? And I think

2009
01:32:08,497 --> 01:32:10,777
Speaker 2: that they didn't really have the time to do this

2010
01:32:10,857 --> 01:32:13,418
Speaker 2: with your odd but you really need to identify, like

2011
01:32:13,458 --> 01:32:16,258
Speaker 2: what is a Patriot player? Like what is and I'm

2012
01:32:16,298 --> 01:32:19,777
Speaker 2: not talking about the intangibles. I'm talking about skill sets,

2013
01:32:19,857 --> 01:32:21,977
Speaker 2: like what is a Patriot wide receiver? What is a

2014
01:32:22,018 --> 01:32:24,857
Speaker 2: Patriot running back? What's a Patriot tackle? And if you

2015
01:32:24,897 --> 01:32:27,338
Speaker 2: can stick to the archetypes of the guys that you're

2016
01:32:27,378 --> 01:32:30,258
Speaker 2: searching for, then it becomes like a well oiled machine.

2017
01:32:30,497 --> 01:32:32,777
Speaker 4: So I'm talking about last week with the program, part

2018
01:32:32,817 --> 01:32:34,577
Speaker 4: of the program as the kind of players we want,

2019
01:32:34,657 --> 01:32:37,378
Speaker 4: and now it you know it. It makes things a

2020
01:32:37,418 --> 01:32:39,178
Speaker 4: lot easier because you know what you're looking for. Yeah,

2021
01:32:39,218 --> 01:32:41,977
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's a I don't expect them to

2022
01:32:41,978 --> 01:32:43,138
Speaker 4: know that right now, like, you need to know who

2023
01:32:43,178 --> 01:32:44,977
Speaker 4: your coordinators are before we're going to do that. It's

2024
01:32:45,018 --> 01:32:47,218
Speaker 4: obviously low hanging fruit, but like just to look at,

2025
01:32:47,298 --> 01:32:50,618
Speaker 4: you know, the slot receiver for example, and the Patriots

2026
01:32:50,617 --> 01:32:53,497
Speaker 4: an old way of doing things. They knew that the

2027
01:32:53,617 --> 01:32:58,418
Speaker 4: Troy Brown, Dion Branch, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amandola,

2028
01:32:58,777 --> 01:33:02,218
Speaker 4: Like they knew what to look for to get that guy,

2029
01:33:02,937 --> 01:33:05,857
Speaker 4: and so they were not only able to continually pass

2030
01:33:05,937 --> 01:33:09,017
Speaker 4: the torch and get that guy, they were also able

2031
01:33:09,378 --> 01:33:11,418
Speaker 4: to get it later in the draft, Like they never

2032
01:33:11,497 --> 01:33:13,458
Speaker 4: had to reach on that guy in like the first

2033
01:33:13,497 --> 01:33:16,458
Speaker 4: or the second round because they knew the exact type

2034
01:33:16,497 --> 01:33:19,137
Speaker 4: of player that they were looking for, and they could

2035
01:33:19,138 --> 01:33:21,657
Speaker 4: find that player like Welker, you know, is a is

2036
01:33:21,697 --> 01:33:24,897
Speaker 4: a sign and trade situation as an RFA. Edelman's obviously

2037
01:33:24,937 --> 01:33:28,657
Speaker 4: a well known seventh round pick quarterback at the college level.

2038
01:33:28,857 --> 01:33:32,138
Speaker 4: Jacobe Myers is an undraftfted rookie free agent, right, Like,

2039
01:33:32,178 --> 01:33:33,857
Speaker 4: so you were able to do these types of things,

2040
01:33:33,857 --> 01:33:35,937
Speaker 4: and I think that's big. I'll give you another one

2041
01:33:35,978 --> 01:33:38,338
Speaker 4: that's a little less uh less obvious. I'm trying to

2042
01:33:38,378 --> 01:33:41,458
Speaker 4: remember where this tree starts because obviously He's not like

2043
01:33:41,737 --> 01:33:44,737
Speaker 4: Teddy Bruski. But you go from a Landon Roberts to

2044
01:33:44,817 --> 01:33:47,897
Speaker 4: Juwan Bentley, right, that kind of linebacker. I'm trying to

2045
01:33:47,897 --> 01:33:50,378
Speaker 4: remember who that was before Roberts.

2046
01:33:49,897 --> 01:33:54,258
Speaker 2: But right Landon Roberts obviously Dante high Towers like the

2047
01:33:54,298 --> 01:33:59,577
Speaker 2: apex version of that, right, yeaferent pet Johnson. Uh, you

2048
01:33:59,617 --> 01:34:02,497
Speaker 2: know a Landon Roberts is going Jawan Bentley. Now, even

2049
01:34:02,537 --> 01:34:04,497
Speaker 2: like Terrees Hall, who we love to talk about from

2050
01:34:04,497 --> 01:34:07,017
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty season, like even though he didn't have

2051
01:34:07,058 --> 01:34:09,258
Speaker 2: a ton going for him, he was a sledgehammer. That

2052
01:34:09,338 --> 01:34:11,458
Speaker 2: guy could take on a guard you want to lead

2053
01:34:11,497 --> 01:34:13,937
Speaker 2: through the line of scrimmage with the full back. Theres

2054
01:34:14,018 --> 01:34:16,537
Speaker 2: Hall was meeting you at the party right right, and

2055
01:34:16,577 --> 01:34:19,298
Speaker 2: that that type of guy is a skill set, it's

2056
01:34:19,298 --> 01:34:21,737
Speaker 2: a type and they were able to find those types

2057
01:34:21,777 --> 01:34:24,138
Speaker 2: of guys, you know, man coverage corners, Like, we're not

2058
01:34:24,178 --> 01:34:27,497
Speaker 2: gonna draft ballhawks, We're not gonna draft zone guys.

2059
01:34:27,617 --> 01:34:29,698
Speaker 4: We're gonna draft several one time Withcy.

2060
01:34:29,418 --> 01:34:31,737
Speaker 3: Jackson, Yeah, well I was, you know, different situation.

2061
01:34:31,857 --> 01:34:36,298
Speaker 2: But we're gonna draft Chushian Gonzales, We're gonna draft Marcus Jones,

2062
01:34:36,378 --> 01:34:38,017
Speaker 2: We're gonna draft guys that can.

2063
01:34:37,978 --> 01:34:41,937
Speaker 4: Run mind Stefan Gilmore, Right, we're gonna sign to yep.

2064
01:34:42,537 --> 01:34:42,697
Speaker 3: Uh.

2065
01:34:43,458 --> 01:34:46,977
Speaker 2: You know Jack Nelson from Wisconsin to tackle hearing a

2066
01:34:47,018 --> 01:34:50,258
Speaker 2: little hearing a lot about him, Yeah, because he's got

2067
01:34:50,258 --> 01:34:53,897
Speaker 2: all the traits and experience and stuff, I mean tackle. Yeah,

2068
01:34:53,937 --> 01:34:56,178
Speaker 2: I've seen a little bit of all as one of

2069
01:34:56,218 --> 01:34:59,657
Speaker 2: the emailers. Uh, you know, everybody keeps asking me about

2070
01:34:59,697 --> 01:35:01,977
Speaker 2: that guy. I've seen a little bit of him. I

2071
01:35:02,937 --> 01:35:05,737
Speaker 2: haven't seen enough to like have a full take on it,

2072
01:35:05,817 --> 01:35:08,258
Speaker 2: but uh, I've seen a little bit of him. And uh,

2073
01:35:08,378 --> 01:35:10,137
Speaker 2: you know, the one thing that I always worry about

2074
01:35:10,577 --> 01:35:13,258
Speaker 2: with tackles like that is like the height can be

2075
01:35:13,298 --> 01:35:15,857
Speaker 2: a detriment, right, Like if you're too tall and you

2076
01:35:15,897 --> 01:35:18,258
Speaker 2: don't have the flexibility in your lowers to like be

2077
01:35:18,298 --> 01:35:21,458
Speaker 2: able to sink and leverage and really get into your chair,

2078
01:35:21,937 --> 01:35:24,017
Speaker 2: then you can almost be too tall for the position.

2079
01:35:24,058 --> 01:35:26,817
Speaker 4: Who was the guy when we're at the Shrine Bowl

2080
01:35:27,138 --> 01:35:30,018
Speaker 4: from Baylor who was like six eight three thirty and

2081
01:35:30,058 --> 01:35:32,617
Speaker 4: he was physical as hell. Yeah, he was moving guys

2082
01:35:32,657 --> 01:35:34,497
Speaker 4: left and right, but he couldn't bend at all.

2083
01:35:34,817 --> 01:35:35,218
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you.

2084
01:35:35,218 --> 01:35:38,497
Speaker 2: Remember, Yeah, I know who you're talking about, But you know,

2085
01:35:38,537 --> 01:35:40,138
Speaker 2: like a guy like Joe Walt is really tall. But

2086
01:35:40,218 --> 01:35:43,378
Speaker 2: Joe Walt's got great lower body flexibility and great uh,

2087
01:35:43,697 --> 01:35:44,738
Speaker 2: you know, knee bend.

2088
01:35:44,497 --> 01:35:46,897
Speaker 4: And he can make himself six to two like that, right.

2089
01:35:46,817 --> 01:35:48,497
Speaker 3: Exactly, That's a good way of putting it.

2090
01:35:49,537 --> 01:35:54,378
Speaker 2: Andrew here he emails in and says that he's worried

2091
01:35:54,378 --> 01:35:58,657
Speaker 2: about Josh McDaniels, not because of a Patriots retread thing,

2092
01:35:59,178 --> 01:36:02,497
Speaker 2: but he's worried about changing systems on Drake May. And

2093
01:36:02,537 --> 01:36:05,458
Speaker 2: this is a fair concern, you know. He said, it's like,

2094
01:36:05,537 --> 01:36:09,857
Speaker 2: you know, getting a Spanish teacher to teach German, or

2095
01:36:09,857 --> 01:36:12,817
Speaker 2: a German teacher to speak whatever. And he's right, you know,

2096
01:36:13,178 --> 01:36:15,697
Speaker 2: it's a different system, it's a different terminology. And if

2097
01:36:15,697 --> 01:36:19,897
Speaker 2: I had one concern with Josh McDaniels, it's not so

2098
01:36:20,018 --> 01:36:21,297
Speaker 2: much the change of the language.

2099
01:36:21,298 --> 01:36:24,137
Speaker 3: It's it's more so, I would say, how much.

2100
01:36:23,978 --> 01:36:26,578
Speaker 2: His system puts on the quarterback at the line of scrimmage.

2101
01:36:26,817 --> 01:36:30,218
Speaker 2: I actually liked the idea of the center taking on

2102
01:36:30,298 --> 01:36:33,258
Speaker 2: a lot of those responsibilities, and I loved We.

2103
01:36:33,178 --> 01:36:33,857
Speaker 3: Talked to AVP.

2104
01:36:34,018 --> 01:36:35,857
Speaker 2: I forget which time it was, but as before the

2105
01:36:35,897 --> 01:36:38,617
Speaker 2: season started, and I remember he said to me that,

2106
01:36:38,978 --> 01:36:41,258
Speaker 2: you know, the quarterback has got enough to worry about, right,

2107
01:36:41,338 --> 01:36:43,097
Speaker 2: Like he's got he's got to read the coverage, he's

2108
01:36:43,098 --> 01:36:45,338
Speaker 2: got to read the defense. He's got to read his progressions.

2109
01:36:45,458 --> 01:36:47,338
Speaker 2: He's got to get the ball out accurately. He's got

2110
01:36:47,338 --> 01:36:50,057
Speaker 2: to time up his footwork, like he's got enough things

2111
01:36:50,378 --> 01:36:52,857
Speaker 2: on his mind to then also have to worry about

2112
01:36:52,897 --> 01:36:55,617
Speaker 2: protections and what's going on up front and all that

2113
01:36:55,697 --> 01:36:58,577
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I actually really liked the approach of

2114
01:36:58,577 --> 01:37:01,258
Speaker 2: putting most of that on the center. Now they were

2115
01:37:01,258 --> 01:37:03,697
Speaker 2: able to do it with rookie year Mac Jones, So

2116
01:37:03,897 --> 01:37:06,777
Speaker 2: I don't know what they did that. Maybe streamlined it

2117
01:37:06,857 --> 01:37:08,537
Speaker 2: a little bit for Mac his rookie year, because I

2118
01:37:08,537 --> 01:37:11,338
Speaker 2: can't imagine Mac was out there his rookie season like

2119
01:37:11,378 --> 01:37:15,097
Speaker 2: a field general, you know, putting everybody in their proper places.

2120
01:37:15,378 --> 01:37:17,617
Speaker 2: So maybe they did do some things to tweak it

2121
01:37:18,058 --> 01:37:20,937
Speaker 2: mac Jones's rookie season to help him out. So maybe

2122
01:37:20,937 --> 01:37:22,497
Speaker 2: they could do that with Drake, But that would be

2123
01:37:22,537 --> 01:37:26,697
Speaker 2: my one concern with that system for Drake is putting

2124
01:37:26,857 --> 01:37:30,138
Speaker 2: a lot more mentally on his plate pre snap at

2125
01:37:30,138 --> 01:37:33,378
Speaker 2: the line scrimmage and maybe bogging him down a little

2126
01:37:33,378 --> 01:37:36,097
Speaker 2: bit and not letting him play as fast and loose

2127
01:37:36,098 --> 01:37:38,697
Speaker 2: as we know he can play. So I'm not necessarily

2128
01:37:38,737 --> 01:37:40,657
Speaker 2: worried about changing languages on him.

2129
01:37:41,138 --> 01:37:42,697
Speaker 3: I am worried about that a little bit.

2130
01:37:43,058 --> 01:37:44,697
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. I mean we heard him talking

2131
01:37:44,737 --> 01:37:47,138
Speaker 4: camp about how in the West Coast system it's like

2132
01:37:47,178 --> 01:37:50,857
Speaker 4: fourteen fifteen word play calls and how that was a challenge.

2133
01:37:50,857 --> 01:37:52,697
Speaker 4: So you're not gonna I think McDaniel still has some

2134
01:37:52,697 --> 01:37:54,378
Speaker 4: of those, but it's not gonna be as many as

2135
01:37:54,378 --> 01:37:57,537
Speaker 4: it is in a West Coast playbook. Yeah, it's it's

2136
01:37:57,617 --> 01:38:00,378
Speaker 4: it's the pre snap stuff, and maybe they find a way,

2137
01:38:00,458 --> 01:38:02,617
Speaker 4: especially if Andrews is back, to kind of keep some

2138
01:38:02,737 --> 01:38:05,817
Speaker 4: of that with the center. Yeah, even in McDaniel's system

2139
01:38:05,897 --> 01:38:07,657
Speaker 4: kind of blend it. But I'm with you. By the way,

2140
01:38:07,697 --> 01:38:10,298
Speaker 4: that tackle was Connor Gallvian. Oh yeah, Connor gall he's

2141
01:38:10,338 --> 01:38:12,657
Speaker 4: still on the Lions. Yeah, he's on IR but he's

2142
01:38:12,737 --> 01:38:13,298
Speaker 4: on the Lions.

2143
01:38:14,138 --> 01:38:14,458
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2144
01:38:14,537 --> 01:38:16,577
Speaker 2: I remember Connor g There's another one there too that

2145
01:38:16,737 --> 01:38:19,697
Speaker 2: was like similar build, that was also really tall and

2146
01:38:19,817 --> 01:38:21,497
Speaker 2: also maybe went to Pitt.

2147
01:38:21,497 --> 01:38:24,057
Speaker 3: I want to say Pitt. I don't remember, though, Yeah,

2148
01:38:24,058 --> 01:38:24,298
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2149
01:38:24,418 --> 01:38:25,017
Speaker 4: I just remember Connor.

2150
01:38:25,138 --> 01:38:29,737
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember both of those guys being there. So

2151
01:38:29,937 --> 01:38:33,418
Speaker 2: here's another question from Thomas that I I've seen a lot.

2152
01:38:33,777 --> 01:38:36,137
Speaker 3: You know, if you get one of these, as.

2153
01:38:36,098 --> 01:38:38,897
Speaker 2: You know, we feel like we've we've so to coined

2154
01:38:38,897 --> 01:38:40,338
Speaker 2: the phrase type pants guy.

2155
01:38:40,617 --> 01:38:42,057
Speaker 3: If you get the type pants guy.

2156
01:38:42,098 --> 01:38:44,098
Speaker 4: The YouTube chat's been all over you saying that. I

2157
01:38:44,098 --> 01:38:46,218
Speaker 4: think you've said it like if people playing a drinking game.

2158
01:38:46,258 --> 01:38:47,777
Speaker 4: Every time you say it they passed out a long

2159
01:38:47,817 --> 01:38:48,258
Speaker 4: time ago.

2160
01:38:48,657 --> 01:38:51,577
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, I haven't even noticed that. Uh hey,

2161
01:38:51,577 --> 01:38:52,857
Speaker 3: this one says it in the email.

2162
01:38:52,978 --> 01:38:55,178
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm not saying it's wrong. No, it's good.

2163
01:38:55,817 --> 01:38:58,778
Speaker 4: How am I supposed to describe It's a good shorthand.

2164
01:38:58,817 --> 01:39:00,977
Speaker 4: I just think it's funny that in the chat noticed,

2165
01:39:01,777 --> 01:39:04,817
Speaker 4: do not play that game. By the way, don't, seriously don't.

2166
01:39:05,018 --> 01:39:07,537
Speaker 3: If if you hire that guy, I'm not gonna say

2167
01:39:07,577 --> 01:39:07,937
Speaker 3: it again.

2168
01:39:08,258 --> 01:39:15,258
Speaker 2: Now, if you hire the innovative offensive coordinator takes a

2169
01:39:15,577 --> 01:39:19,218
Speaker 2: new age right exactly, So say I, if you hire

2170
01:39:19,258 --> 01:39:22,537
Speaker 2: that guy, then can you hire McDaniels as a quarterbacks coach?

2171
01:39:22,817 --> 01:39:25,017
Speaker 2: I do not know why Josh McDaniels would do that.

2172
01:39:25,258 --> 01:39:28,777
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels is sitting pretty right now. The Raiders are

2173
01:39:28,817 --> 01:39:30,817
Speaker 2: still paying them like he's got all the money in

2174
01:39:30,857 --> 01:39:33,098
Speaker 2: the world. I have no idea why he would come

2175
01:39:33,098 --> 01:39:36,497
Speaker 2: here to be a quarterback. If anything, I've wondered, could

2176
01:39:36,537 --> 01:39:38,697
Speaker 2: you do it the other way? Could you hire some

2177
01:39:38,777 --> 01:39:42,418
Speaker 2: young upshot coordinator and Josh McDaniels essentially becomes a much much, much,

2178
01:39:42,497 --> 01:39:46,937
Speaker 2: much much better version of Ben mcint Yes, yeah, that's

2179
01:39:47,018 --> 01:39:50,177
Speaker 2: I think it is definitely fair. A couple questions about

2180
01:39:50,218 --> 01:39:53,178
Speaker 2: some Day two wide receiverst I don't know if this

2181
01:39:53,218 --> 01:39:56,537
Speaker 2: guy's gonna go on Day two. Matthew Golden, he's like

2182
01:39:56,617 --> 01:40:00,097
Speaker 2: the darling right now. Everybody loves Matthew Golden from.

2183
01:40:00,098 --> 01:40:01,338
Speaker 3: Two games in the playoffs.

2184
01:40:01,378 --> 01:40:03,697
Speaker 4: No, he's been good all year. Everybody's just discovering him

2185
01:40:03,697 --> 01:40:05,857
Speaker 4: because everybody was so locked in on Isaiah Bond during

2186
01:40:05,857 --> 01:40:09,298
Speaker 4: the year. Matthew Golden is a really good receiver. He's

2187
01:40:09,298 --> 01:40:11,697
Speaker 4: a really good So you know, I love those like

2188
01:40:11,737 --> 01:40:13,897
Speaker 4: well rounded guys where I'm like, I don't know that

2189
01:40:13,978 --> 01:40:16,338
Speaker 4: he does any one thing amazing, but like find a

2190
01:40:16,378 --> 01:40:18,737
Speaker 4: weakness in his gaming. Can't maybe a little small, but

2191
01:40:18,817 --> 01:40:22,178
Speaker 4: like he looks like one of these complete guys that's

2192
01:40:22,178 --> 01:40:24,577
Speaker 4: just gonna come in day one and go. And I

2193
01:40:24,577 --> 01:40:26,657
Speaker 4: know people as what you said about Jalleen Polk. No,

2194
01:40:26,897 --> 01:40:30,177
Speaker 4: Jalen Polk was like for what he was, seemed NFL ready,

2195
01:40:30,497 --> 01:40:32,018
Speaker 4: but he was what he was, which was like a

2196
01:40:32,138 --> 01:40:35,577
Speaker 4: chain mover. He wasn't super athletic, wasn't a separator. No,

2197
01:40:35,777 --> 01:40:39,137
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden has some explosiveness to him, has the ability

2198
01:40:39,138 --> 01:40:41,018
Speaker 4: to separate. He can create big place. He's not a

2199
01:40:41,098 --> 01:40:43,777
Speaker 4: chain mover. He's a big play threat. He can make

2200
01:40:43,817 --> 01:40:47,178
Speaker 4: plays at all three levels. He's gonna be like a

2201
01:40:47,178 --> 01:40:49,857
Speaker 4: fringe first round pick. I think he's right there with Agbuca.

2202
01:40:50,018 --> 01:40:53,737
Speaker 4: Like the top is Tep mcmill and we've talked about

2203
01:40:53,737 --> 01:40:56,497
Speaker 4: this the disclaimer. Travis Hunter is the number one Travis

2204
01:40:56,577 --> 01:40:57,258
Speaker 4: Hunter in the draft.

2205
01:40:57,258 --> 01:40:57,937
Speaker 3: He's his own thing.

2206
01:40:58,098 --> 01:41:01,258
Speaker 4: We're putting him to the side. Tet McMillan's best receiver

2207
01:41:01,298 --> 01:41:04,138
Speaker 4: in a draft, Luthor Burden's number two. I think when

2208
01:41:04,138 --> 01:41:06,977
Speaker 4: you get to that like next tier, right, it's like Buca,

2209
01:41:07,577 --> 01:41:10,617
Speaker 4: it's Bolden. I feel like I'm missing somebody, but like

2210
01:41:10,657 --> 01:41:13,657
Speaker 4: he's right there in that next group Luthor Burden. No,

2211
01:41:13,737 --> 01:41:15,298
Speaker 4: I said I put Burden in between.

2212
01:41:15,418 --> 01:41:17,657
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Burn's better.

2213
01:41:17,458 --> 01:41:19,178
Speaker 4: Than a Buca and Golden, but he's not as good

2214
01:41:19,178 --> 01:41:19,577
Speaker 4: as mcmill.

2215
01:41:19,817 --> 01:41:21,537
Speaker 2: So the other names that he put out there were

2216
01:41:21,577 --> 01:41:23,218
Speaker 2: Trey Harris, who I know a lot of people are

2217
01:41:23,218 --> 01:41:26,657
Speaker 2: big fans of we're gonna talk a lot about yeah,

2218
01:41:26,697 --> 01:41:28,697
Speaker 2: and uh Jalen Royal. So I'm looking forward to seeing

2219
01:41:28,737 --> 01:41:30,537
Speaker 2: it the Senior Bowl. I haven't watched a ton of

2220
01:41:30,577 --> 01:41:33,378
Speaker 2: his film yet, but he's gonna be in Mobile, which

2221
01:41:33,378 --> 01:41:36,617
Speaker 2: will be good. So Trey Harris, I watched a little

2222
01:41:36,617 --> 01:41:37,577
Speaker 2: bit of him the other day.

2223
01:41:37,937 --> 01:41:38,137
Speaker 3: Uh.

2224
01:41:38,338 --> 01:41:41,098
Speaker 2: The one thing that I noticed with him is, you know,

2225
01:41:41,178 --> 01:41:43,217
Speaker 2: he's kind of more of like a builder of speed

2226
01:41:43,258 --> 01:41:45,217
Speaker 2: than he is like a true burner on the outside

2227
01:41:45,378 --> 01:41:47,897
Speaker 2: that good size and a good catch rightious his hands

2228
01:41:47,897 --> 01:41:50,977
Speaker 2: are you know, he has some of those tracking you know,

2229
01:41:51,138 --> 01:41:53,378
Speaker 2: over the shoulder focus drops if you want to call

2230
01:41:53,458 --> 01:41:56,458
Speaker 2: him those. I'm not in love with Trey Harris's game.

2231
01:41:56,697 --> 01:41:59,178
Speaker 2: I I see it like I see the archetype that

2232
01:41:59,218 --> 01:42:01,657
Speaker 2: he fits the outside, bigger X receiver.

2233
01:42:02,458 --> 01:42:04,458
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying I'm not a big fan.

2234
01:42:04,497 --> 01:42:08,258
Speaker 4: That guy from Old Miss you know what the takes

2235
01:42:08,298 --> 01:42:11,218
Speaker 4: gonna be. Yeah, but he's nothing like I know, but

2236
01:42:11,258 --> 01:42:16,378
Speaker 4: get ready for a totally I'm not saying that I

2237
01:42:16,378 --> 01:42:18,777
Speaker 4: don't think Brown's like a running back with the football.

2238
01:42:19,378 --> 01:42:20,777
Speaker 4: But just get ready to hear that.

2239
01:42:21,298 --> 01:42:23,617
Speaker 2: Jalen Royals, I'm looking forward to seeing down in Mobile.

2240
01:42:23,697 --> 01:42:26,378
Speaker 2: Like I said, I like Matthew Golden the lot. I

2241
01:42:26,937 --> 01:42:29,378
Speaker 2: definitely think Matthew Golden is more of like a z

2242
01:42:29,617 --> 01:42:32,697
Speaker 2: or An off the line. He doesn't he doesn't have

2243
01:42:32,737 --> 01:42:35,217
Speaker 2: the size or the play strength to play the X spot.

2244
01:42:35,258 --> 01:42:38,258
Speaker 2: And I saw some stuff, especially against Georgia, where he

2245
01:42:38,258 --> 01:42:41,097
Speaker 2: struggled a little bit against press and things of that nature.

2246
01:42:41,577 --> 01:42:44,218
Speaker 2: But he's really bursty. He's really smooth at the top

2247
01:42:44,258 --> 01:42:46,697
Speaker 2: of the route. One of those guys that doesn't have

2248
01:42:46,777 --> 01:42:48,897
Speaker 2: to to discelerate too much at the top, like he

2249
01:42:48,897 --> 01:42:50,017
Speaker 2: can just break right through.

2250
01:42:50,338 --> 01:42:52,097
Speaker 3: He's got good explosiveness through the top.

2251
01:42:52,617 --> 01:42:54,458
Speaker 2: He's one of those players that if you move him

2252
01:42:54,458 --> 01:42:56,737
Speaker 2: around like a chess piece, you move him in motion,

2253
01:42:56,897 --> 01:42:59,537
Speaker 2: you start him in motion, your cheap motion thing, Like

2254
01:42:59,617 --> 01:43:02,137
Speaker 2: he's going to eat up and cushion fast and break

2255
01:43:02,218 --> 01:43:02,817
Speaker 2: really quickly.

2256
01:43:02,937 --> 01:43:05,298
Speaker 4: I saw something, Jalen Wadall, I don't think he's quite

2257
01:43:05,298 --> 01:43:07,338
Speaker 4: that fast. Yeah, so stage wise.

2258
01:43:07,058 --> 01:43:08,737
Speaker 3: I could so. I touted you this last night.

2259
01:43:08,777 --> 01:43:10,817
Speaker 2: I got you who said, that's my my con for

2260
01:43:10,978 --> 01:43:11,937
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden right now?

2261
01:43:11,978 --> 01:43:14,777
Speaker 3: Is Jayden Reid agree? But yeah, that's what I see

2262
01:43:14,817 --> 01:43:15,977
Speaker 3: because I think he can't.

2263
01:43:16,018 --> 01:43:17,937
Speaker 2: He has really good ball skills and he can win

2264
01:43:18,537 --> 01:43:20,577
Speaker 2: in some crowds and things like that, which is true

2265
01:43:20,617 --> 01:43:23,258
Speaker 2: with Jayden Reid too, but his like his special trade

2266
01:43:23,418 --> 01:43:25,937
Speaker 2: is his acceleration and his speed, and I think both

2267
01:43:25,978 --> 01:43:29,338
Speaker 2: those guys have that. So I'm with Matthew Golden, but again,

2268
01:43:29,418 --> 01:43:31,977
Speaker 2: I think with all these guys and I I'm really

2269
01:43:32,258 --> 01:43:33,738
Speaker 2: also really looking forward.

2270
01:43:33,458 --> 01:43:35,378
Speaker 3: To, uh the Miami kid.

2271
01:43:37,458 --> 01:43:40,657
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's going to be down in mobile and

2272
01:43:40,657 --> 01:43:43,178
Speaker 2: Williams going to be a mobile. Yes, yeah, also all

2273
01:43:43,218 --> 01:43:45,577
Speaker 2: of that, like Tier is all going to be at

2274
01:43:45,577 --> 01:43:51,218
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. Perfectstreppo excites me. He reminds me a

2275
01:43:51,218 --> 01:43:52,217
Speaker 2: ton of Khalil Shakir.

2276
01:43:53,058 --> 01:43:54,258
Speaker 4: He's bigger na though, isn't he?

2277
01:43:54,338 --> 01:43:54,857
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

2278
01:43:54,937 --> 01:43:58,098
Speaker 2: Clear is a decent size, like in terms of thickness.

2279
01:43:58,857 --> 01:44:01,418
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to seeing him too when he

2280
01:44:01,458 --> 01:44:03,937
Speaker 2: moves it and just runs with the football like five

2281
01:44:03,978 --> 01:44:07,138
Speaker 2: ten yeah, probably like five ten, five eleven, only five ten.

2282
01:44:07,178 --> 01:44:09,737
Speaker 4: I think he's like six ft six one, okay.

2283
01:44:09,418 --> 01:44:11,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it binds me a little bit of Shaker

2284
01:44:11,978 --> 01:44:14,057
Speaker 2: just the way that he like weaves with the ball

2285
01:44:14,138 --> 01:44:15,737
Speaker 2: and you know, good with the ball in his hands.

2286
01:44:15,737 --> 01:44:18,178
Speaker 4: While we're that you got any recency bias, guys.

2287
01:44:18,058 --> 01:44:20,857
Speaker 2: Uh, I might, but give me a second. I want

2288
01:44:20,857 --> 01:44:24,857
Speaker 2: to read some more of these emails. So this is

2289
01:44:24,897 --> 01:44:27,697
Speaker 2: uh Nicholas and I've heard this name a ton. When

2290
01:44:28,018 --> 01:44:30,458
Speaker 2: Fred brought this name up, he's he's high on this player.

2291
01:44:30,657 --> 01:44:30,817
Speaker 4: Boy.

2292
01:44:31,138 --> 01:44:34,298
Speaker 2: So we both agree on this one for once. Okay,

2293
01:44:34,537 --> 01:44:40,458
Speaker 2: So Nicholas brings up Mason Graham. Okay, And my take

2294
01:44:40,497 --> 01:44:44,857
Speaker 2: on Mason Graham is that I hear where everybody's saying,

2295
01:44:44,897 --> 01:44:48,937
Speaker 2: where like, if you're just taking best player available and

2296
01:44:49,058 --> 01:44:52,218
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter off the board and you're

2297
01:44:52,338 --> 01:44:55,777
Speaker 2: just going best player available, there's a case for Mason Graham.

2298
01:44:56,298 --> 01:45:00,338
Speaker 2: But I'm not a just pure BPA type of guy.

2299
01:45:00,857 --> 01:45:04,458
Speaker 2: I'm a best player available at a premium position of need,

2300
01:45:04,577 --> 01:45:05,418
Speaker 2: the best player.

2301
01:45:05,138 --> 01:45:07,258
Speaker 4: Available for the football team in specific.

2302
01:45:07,497 --> 01:45:10,657
Speaker 3: So I think we're kind of yeah, splitting hairs there.

2303
01:45:11,378 --> 01:45:16,818
Speaker 2: I am not drafting an interior defensive lineman at four overall,

2304
01:45:18,138 --> 01:45:22,138
Speaker 2: unless the one caveat is that a doctor tells me

2305
01:45:22,178 --> 01:45:24,418
Speaker 2: that Christian Barmer is never going to play football again, right,

2306
01:45:24,458 --> 01:45:26,657
Speaker 2: which God, I hope is not the case, right, But

2307
01:45:26,737 --> 01:45:30,378
Speaker 2: I'm just saying if that is the case, then okay, Like.

2308
01:45:30,497 --> 01:45:31,897
Speaker 4: It becomes more of a conversation.

2309
01:45:31,937 --> 01:45:34,497
Speaker 2: But the only issue that I have with Mason Graham

2310
01:45:34,897 --> 01:45:38,737
Speaker 2: that high is that you are counting on him being

2311
01:45:39,338 --> 01:45:40,817
Speaker 2: like I don't want to put.

2312
01:45:40,777 --> 01:45:42,137
Speaker 3: Him in Aaron Donald because that's unfair.

2313
01:45:42,138 --> 01:45:43,977
Speaker 2: But like, you know what I'm trying to say, Cox,

2314
01:45:44,098 --> 01:45:46,378
Speaker 2: You're trying to put him in a tier where he

2315
01:45:46,497 --> 01:45:50,178
Speaker 2: is one of the elite, elite interior pass rushers at

2316
01:45:50,178 --> 01:45:53,537
Speaker 2: the position, like a top five player at that position.

2317
01:45:54,098 --> 01:45:58,058
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, you know, like we're talking about.

2318
01:45:57,817 --> 01:45:59,057
Speaker 3: A stud of studs.

2319
01:45:59,497 --> 01:46:02,497
Speaker 2: If that's what you're telling me that he is, then okay,

2320
01:46:02,537 --> 01:46:05,298
Speaker 2: but he if you're it's almost like taking a guard.

2321
01:46:05,338 --> 01:46:06,177
Speaker 3: It's not quite as.

2322
01:46:06,138 --> 01:46:08,497
Speaker 2: Bad, but it almost is where like you better be

2323
01:46:08,577 --> 01:46:11,697
Speaker 2: getting freakin' John Hannah if you're taking a guard that high.

2324
01:46:11,857 --> 01:46:14,137
Speaker 2: And I just don't know if Mason Graham is quite

2325
01:46:14,178 --> 01:46:14,577
Speaker 2: that good.

2326
01:46:14,777 --> 01:46:16,817
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you can answer this better than me.

2327
01:46:17,897 --> 01:46:20,777
Speaker 4: How are you going to get him in barmore both

2328
01:46:20,857 --> 01:46:22,897
Speaker 4: on the field where he's on the field a significant

2329
01:46:22,897 --> 01:46:25,897
Speaker 4: amount as a top draft pick, like you need him

2330
01:46:25,937 --> 01:46:28,338
Speaker 4: on the field. It's a defensive tackle taking that high

2331
01:46:28,378 --> 01:46:30,817
Speaker 4: you're talking at least like sixty five seventy percent usage

2332
01:46:30,897 --> 01:46:34,897
Speaker 4: rate Barmar's if he's healthy, he's probably one of your

2333
01:46:34,937 --> 01:46:37,658
Speaker 4: top three best players, right, It's him, May and Gonzales,

2334
01:46:38,018 --> 01:46:41,258
Speaker 4: So you want him on the field a significant amount.

2335
01:46:41,617 --> 01:46:43,418
Speaker 4: So now, like, what are you doing in the end?

2336
01:46:43,497 --> 01:46:47,497
Speaker 4: Is one of them playing in? Now you're pretty big, Like,

2337
01:46:47,537 --> 01:46:49,497
Speaker 4: how's that good? I'm not saying it can't work, but

2338
01:46:49,817 --> 01:46:52,177
Speaker 4: you're you're really kind of putting yourself in a box

2339
01:46:52,537 --> 01:46:54,497
Speaker 4: if you make that pick, and you so you have

2340
01:46:54,617 --> 01:46:57,298
Speaker 4: to be damn sure that he's gonna give you the

2341
01:46:57,338 --> 01:47:00,458
Speaker 4: outcome that you're expecting, because if not, it comes really

2342
01:47:00,458 --> 01:47:01,697
Speaker 4: hard to justify that pick.

2343
01:47:01,897 --> 01:47:02,097
Speaker 3: Right.

2344
01:47:02,218 --> 01:47:05,977
Speaker 2: So they're both three techniques naturally, right, and so you

2345
01:47:05,978 --> 01:47:08,537
Speaker 2: can you know, you could obviously make it work with

2346
01:47:08,577 --> 01:47:11,497
Speaker 2: them being three four ends like you know four I

2347
01:47:11,777 --> 01:47:15,218
Speaker 2: five technique ends over the tackle or outside shade the

2348
01:47:15,218 --> 01:47:19,617
Speaker 2: guard on early downs passing downs, Like you worry about

2349
01:47:19,657 --> 01:47:21,857
Speaker 2: how that is going to fit together, Like how do

2350
01:47:21,897 --> 01:47:24,857
Speaker 2: you have both those guys on the field. You know,

2351
01:47:24,937 --> 01:47:27,577
Speaker 2: the Patriots in the past, they've always liked to run

2352
01:47:27,737 --> 01:47:30,777
Speaker 2: like that mebafront where they have one down lineman over

2353
01:47:30,777 --> 01:47:33,418
Speaker 2: the nose, like, okay, so how is that Christian Barmore?

2354
01:47:33,617 --> 01:47:35,817
Speaker 2: Is that Mason Graham? Are you gonna play with two

2355
01:47:35,857 --> 01:47:36,618
Speaker 2: three techniques?

2356
01:47:36,657 --> 01:47:36,897
Speaker 3: Okay?

2357
01:47:36,897 --> 01:47:38,418
Speaker 2: If you're gonna do that, then you have nobody in

2358
01:47:38,458 --> 01:47:40,137
Speaker 2: the A gaps, So now you have to find ways

2359
01:47:40,138 --> 01:47:42,458
Speaker 2: to cover the A gaps. And like those types of

2360
01:47:42,497 --> 01:47:46,697
Speaker 2: things are all you know in consideration with that type

2361
01:47:46,697 --> 01:47:50,378
Speaker 2: of pick. He's an up the field player as well.

2362
01:47:50,418 --> 01:47:53,057
Speaker 2: Like you, I don't look at Mason Graham on film

2363
01:47:53,338 --> 01:47:56,258
Speaker 2: and necessarily think of him as a great two gapping.

2364
01:47:57,657 --> 01:47:58,178
Speaker 3: And he's not.

2365
01:47:58,418 --> 01:48:00,897
Speaker 2: And he's not, you know, a pure two gapping end

2366
01:48:00,937 --> 01:48:04,497
Speaker 2: I So in that respect, you know the guy that

2367
01:48:04,537 --> 01:48:06,617
Speaker 2: he reminds me a lot of. And I know that

2368
01:48:06,617 --> 01:48:09,418
Speaker 2: this guy was drafted a little bit later but has

2369
01:48:09,458 --> 01:48:10,937
Speaker 2: had a great rookie year for the Rams.

2370
01:48:10,937 --> 01:48:13,577
Speaker 3: Is Brandon Fiskey, right, Like, he just up the.

2371
01:48:13,497 --> 01:48:17,737
Speaker 2: Field, absolute terror to block and just a screamer, right

2372
01:48:17,777 --> 01:48:20,018
Speaker 2: And and that's a great player. Fisky is one of

2373
01:48:20,058 --> 01:48:22,098
Speaker 2: the best young players in the league. That's outside of

2374
01:48:22,098 --> 01:48:24,977
Speaker 2: the bos you want, Yeah, Barmore is more physical though.

2375
01:48:25,018 --> 01:48:28,857
Speaker 2: Barmore is stronger and more and stouter than Graham is.

2376
01:48:28,897 --> 01:48:33,577
Speaker 2: But yeah, like you have that role filled, Yeah.

2377
01:48:33,537 --> 01:48:33,777
Speaker 3: You do.

2378
01:48:34,258 --> 01:48:36,177
Speaker 2: It's one of the few roles that you have filled

2379
01:48:36,178 --> 01:48:37,137
Speaker 2: with the blue chip play.

2380
01:48:37,058 --> 01:48:39,577
Speaker 4: Right exactly, So like why double down on that with

2381
01:48:39,617 --> 01:48:40,497
Speaker 4: this premium massage?

2382
01:48:40,537 --> 01:48:42,057
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm totally with you there.

2383
01:48:43,897 --> 01:48:47,017
Speaker 2: David says, Uh, we need to get Rabel on catch

2384
01:48:47,018 --> 01:48:50,977
Speaker 2: twenty two. I'd love I'd love to see Stacy's face on.

2385
01:48:50,857 --> 01:48:52,058
Speaker 4: That one option.

2386
01:48:53,617 --> 01:48:57,337
Speaker 2: Uh, that would be good. Open invitation is right, anytime

2387
01:48:57,338 --> 01:48:58,177
Speaker 2: he wants to come.

2388
01:48:58,058 --> 01:49:02,258
Speaker 4: On any any time, staff really not just any Yeah.

2389
01:49:02,857 --> 01:49:08,697
Speaker 2: That's gonna happen, Field, and uh, let's take these calls

2390
01:49:08,737 --> 01:49:11,097
Speaker 2: and then we gotta we gotta end this plane, because

2391
01:49:11,218 --> 01:49:13,697
Speaker 2: land this plane, because I got I got some good

2392
01:49:13,737 --> 01:49:16,017
Speaker 2: interviews lined up on the place for Vrabel. By the way,

2393
01:49:16,018 --> 01:49:18,418
Speaker 2: I can protease that. I don't want to say who,

2394
01:49:18,458 --> 01:49:20,697
Speaker 2: but it's gonna be a good one. All right, Dan

2395
01:49:20,857 --> 01:49:22,098
Speaker 2: is in Philadelphia?

2396
01:49:22,138 --> 01:49:24,577
Speaker 3: What's up? Dan? Or Don? Sorry? Don?

2397
01:49:25,937 --> 01:49:30,497
Speaker 7: Hey guys, I just want to quickly how appealing do

2398
01:49:30,537 --> 01:49:33,098
Speaker 7: you think New England is as a free agent destination

2399
01:49:33,258 --> 01:49:37,937
Speaker 7: with Vrabel as compared to you know, if Ben Johnson

2400
01:49:38,058 --> 01:49:42,258
Speaker 7: did come in, And I think you guys pretty much

2401
01:49:42,378 --> 01:49:44,977
Speaker 7: nailed it with the coordinator talk today, so I wanted

2402
01:49:45,018 --> 01:49:49,378
Speaker 7: to jump to the draft here. I'm kind of a

2403
01:49:49,458 --> 01:49:53,137
Speaker 7: firm believer that now with Vrabel as a head coach,

2404
01:49:53,298 --> 01:49:57,578
Speaker 7: I wasn't necessarily in on taking Travis Hunter if he's available,

2405
01:49:58,537 --> 01:50:02,137
Speaker 7: but I think Rabel is the right coach to turn

2406
01:50:02,218 --> 01:50:04,897
Speaker 7: him into a special player in the league. But for

2407
01:50:04,978 --> 01:50:08,937
Speaker 7: this hypothetical, if Travis Hunter and Abdull Carter are off

2408
01:50:08,978 --> 01:50:11,897
Speaker 7: the board, are you guys planning to stick there? Do

2409
01:50:11,937 --> 01:50:14,977
Speaker 7: you think the talent is there? Are you trading back?

2410
01:50:17,098 --> 01:50:19,657
Speaker 7: You know, I know you just mentioned why have two

2411
01:50:19,777 --> 01:50:23,458
Speaker 7: blue chip players like Mason Graham and Barmore on the

2412
01:50:23,458 --> 01:50:27,418
Speaker 7: defensive line, But is Will Johnson a consideration? Are you

2413
01:50:27,458 --> 01:50:30,258
Speaker 7: trading back and maybe thinking receiver? You know, what's your

2414
01:50:30,497 --> 01:50:34,138
Speaker 7: what's your draft strategy going forward? I'll take it off air.

2415
01:50:34,218 --> 01:50:35,657
Speaker 3: Thank yeah, thanks for the call.

2416
01:50:35,737 --> 01:50:38,378
Speaker 2: Do so on the first point about being a free

2417
01:50:38,378 --> 01:50:42,737
Speaker 2: agent destination, I'm interested to ask some players that for

2418
01:50:42,777 --> 01:50:45,458
Speaker 2: this piece about that, and because they did sign his

2419
01:50:45,537 --> 01:50:46,777
Speaker 2: free agents with Rabel.

2420
01:50:46,817 --> 01:50:49,737
Speaker 3: But I do think it's better, certainly.

2421
01:50:49,298 --> 01:50:52,617
Speaker 2: Because you're not current free like free agents that are

2422
01:50:52,697 --> 01:50:55,258
Speaker 2: coming up, you know, in twenty twenty five, I know

2423
01:50:55,298 --> 01:50:58,378
Speaker 2: that you're talking to a past you're not talking current

2424
01:50:59,058 --> 01:51:01,697
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five guys though new co current. I do

2425
01:51:01,777 --> 01:51:04,057
Speaker 2: think it's it's a better sell. You have a guy

2426
01:51:04,058 --> 01:51:05,777
Speaker 2: that has a proof of concept and a guy that

2427
01:51:05,857 --> 01:51:08,817
Speaker 2: knows how to coach and can probably really present like

2428
01:51:08,897 --> 01:51:10,977
Speaker 2: a plan of like this is how we're gonna use you,

2429
01:51:11,018 --> 01:51:12,977
Speaker 2: and this is what we're gonna do, and all those

2430
01:51:13,018 --> 01:51:15,897
Speaker 2: types of things. So I'm I think it's definitely a

2431
01:51:15,897 --> 01:51:18,497
Speaker 2: better job than where they were. But money talks like

2432
01:51:18,537 --> 01:51:21,218
Speaker 2: it's gonna take money still, like there's still not a

2433
01:51:21,258 --> 01:51:23,737
Speaker 2: destination to the point where they're gonna get guys at discounts.

2434
01:51:23,857 --> 01:51:25,697
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm one hundred percent with you, you know.

2435
01:51:25,737 --> 01:51:28,017
Speaker 4: Compared to Ben Johnson, I think some of that's probably

2436
01:51:28,058 --> 01:51:30,177
Speaker 4: personality thing. I think there are certain kinds of players

2437
01:51:30,178 --> 01:51:32,178
Speaker 4: that would probably rather play for Mike Rabel. I think

2438
01:51:32,178 --> 01:51:34,617
Speaker 4: there's certain kind of players, certain kinds of players that

2439
01:51:34,777 --> 01:51:37,338
Speaker 4: rather pay for play for Ben Johnson. I think they

2440
01:51:37,338 --> 01:51:39,537
Speaker 4: are more of a destination now than they were before,

2441
01:51:39,978 --> 01:51:42,577
Speaker 4: but yet they're they're not getting anybody without paying them

2442
01:51:42,577 --> 01:51:43,697
Speaker 4: the most money. At the end of the day, they

2443
01:51:43,737 --> 01:51:45,338
Speaker 4: got to pay people the most money to come here

2444
01:51:45,697 --> 01:51:46,497
Speaker 4: whoever the coaches.

2445
01:51:46,777 --> 01:51:50,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely also agree with the caller about Travis Hunter,

2446
01:51:51,058 --> 01:51:52,017
Speaker 2: like I feel better.

2447
01:51:52,737 --> 01:51:54,458
Speaker 3: I still don't feel great about it.

2448
01:51:54,458 --> 01:51:59,817
Speaker 4: Right, No, better, I don't. Yeah, I still don't know.

2449
01:51:59,937 --> 01:52:03,497
Speaker 4: I would take him over Will Johnson, like if I

2450
01:52:03,537 --> 01:52:06,338
Speaker 4: need to. We're gonna learn a lot at the Combine

2451
01:52:06,378 --> 01:52:08,577
Speaker 4: about what his plans are. I still just it's so

2452
01:52:08,657 --> 01:52:11,418
Speaker 4: hard to take about Travis Hunter because I don't know

2453
01:52:11,458 --> 01:52:13,497
Speaker 4: where he's gonna play, and I don't know what his

2454
01:52:13,577 --> 01:52:15,458
Speaker 4: plan's gonna be and how open he's gonna be, the

2455
01:52:15,458 --> 01:52:17,897
Speaker 4: different plans and things like that, because that's what it

2456
01:52:17,937 --> 01:52:18,817
Speaker 4: really comes down to.

2457
01:52:20,298 --> 01:52:21,657
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be interesting to see.

2458
01:52:21,737 --> 01:52:24,777
Speaker 4: I assume that his also think I think he's going

2459
01:52:24,817 --> 01:52:25,537
Speaker 4: to the Giants, So.

2460
01:52:25,697 --> 01:52:27,338
Speaker 2: I think his answers that the Combine are gonna be

2461
01:52:27,338 --> 01:52:28,458
Speaker 2: that he wants to play both ways.

2462
01:52:29,458 --> 01:52:30,418
Speaker 3: I think that's what he wants to do.

2463
01:52:30,617 --> 01:52:33,258
Speaker 2: It's just not realistic, it's not but I think that's

2464
01:52:33,258 --> 01:52:35,137
Speaker 2: what he wants to do, or at least do it

2465
01:52:35,298 --> 01:52:36,938
Speaker 2: in some sort of packaged.

2466
01:52:36,537 --> 01:52:37,858
Speaker 3: Way that it is realistic.

2467
01:52:37,897 --> 01:52:41,017
Speaker 2: You know, he plays twenty five snaps on defense and

2468
01:52:41,058 --> 01:52:43,897
Speaker 2: twenty five on offense, or you know, ten on offense,

2469
01:52:43,978 --> 01:52:46,098
Speaker 2: but fifty on defense, you know, try to find that

2470
01:52:46,178 --> 01:52:48,777
Speaker 2: happy medium. But I don't think that he's going to

2471
01:52:48,817 --> 01:52:51,017
Speaker 2: go in the league and only play on one side

2472
01:52:51,018 --> 01:52:54,338
Speaker 2: of the ball unless he gets into the NFL, and

2473
01:52:54,378 --> 01:52:56,177
Speaker 2: maybe he has to learn the hard way, Like maybe

2474
01:52:56,178 --> 01:52:57,137
Speaker 2: he has to learn the hard way.

2475
01:52:57,258 --> 01:52:58,657
Speaker 4: This is too But I feel like if you get

2476
01:52:58,657 --> 01:53:00,937
Speaker 4: to that point and when I say playboat, like, yeah,

2477
01:53:00,978 --> 01:53:02,937
Speaker 4: he can be a package player. But that's what that's

2478
01:53:02,937 --> 01:53:06,657
Speaker 4: what I worry about, is he's too ambitious. The coaching

2479
01:53:06,737 --> 01:53:08,937
Speaker 4: staff is too ambitious. You get to the point where

2480
01:53:08,978 --> 01:53:10,737
Speaker 4: you're learning something the hard way. At that point it's

2481
01:53:10,777 --> 01:53:14,258
Speaker 4: too late, Like now, all right, you're wasting time with

2482
01:53:14,338 --> 01:53:16,098
Speaker 4: this great player. So that's what worries me.

2483
01:53:16,378 --> 01:53:21,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Sal is in Linnfield. I believe it says, yeah, Sal,

2484
01:53:21,497 --> 01:53:21,857
Speaker 2: what's up?

2485
01:53:21,857 --> 01:53:22,017
Speaker 3: Sal?

2486
01:53:22,418 --> 01:53:23,218
Speaker 8: Hey, what's going on?

2487
01:53:23,577 --> 01:53:23,777
Speaker 2: Boyd?

2488
01:53:24,577 --> 01:53:28,617
Speaker 8: Sale of my friends call me money Listen. I feel

2489
01:53:28,657 --> 01:53:30,857
Speaker 8: like the tackle position on this rough the is not

2490
01:53:30,897 --> 01:53:33,257
Speaker 8: good enough. You know, I was I was to standout

2491
01:53:33,258 --> 01:53:34,777
Speaker 8: in high school and I think I could do a

2492
01:53:34,817 --> 01:53:37,458
Speaker 8: better jump than Madarian Lowe and the boys there. So

2493
01:53:38,298 --> 01:53:41,418
Speaker 8: I'm really liking the idea of drafting a tackle. I like,

2494
01:53:41,537 --> 01:53:44,657
Speaker 8: I really like Campbell. I also think we should probably

2495
01:53:44,737 --> 01:53:47,857
Speaker 8: move up somewhere in this draft, top fifteen maybe and

2496
01:53:47,937 --> 01:53:53,578
Speaker 8: look at Ashton gent. I also Scattabo Scataboo. However, he's

2497
01:53:53,577 --> 01:53:55,097
Speaker 8: a pretty good, pretty good player.

2498
01:53:55,178 --> 01:53:57,737
Speaker 3: But I feel like this guy's trolling a good one.

2499
01:53:57,937 --> 01:54:01,497
Speaker 3: All right, all right, thanks, so that might have been.

2500
01:54:02,737 --> 01:54:04,497
Speaker 4: I think so. I have said for the record, I

2501
01:54:04,897 --> 01:54:09,737
Speaker 4: do not think the Patriots and draft in the first drafts. No,

2502
01:54:10,218 --> 01:54:12,418
Speaker 4: they they they have too Manykees take a running back

2503
01:54:12,458 --> 01:54:14,418
Speaker 4: that high look like, but.

2504
01:54:14,458 --> 01:54:16,577
Speaker 3: He built it around Derrick Henry, Alex.

2505
01:54:17,138 --> 01:54:19,697
Speaker 4: Ashton Gent's not This is your same thing with comparing

2506
01:54:19,737 --> 01:54:23,218
Speaker 4: Mason Graham to to Aaron Donald, Like, okay, you know,

2507
01:54:23,378 --> 01:54:26,298
Speaker 4: let's not. I'm not comparing any right, Derrick Henry. I've

2508
01:54:26,298 --> 01:54:28,657
Speaker 4: said this year, We're never gonna see Derrick Henry again,

2509
01:54:29,218 --> 01:54:31,857
Speaker 4: like just because of how basileagu geted he is and

2510
01:54:31,897 --> 01:54:33,778
Speaker 4: to the way the league's going, We're never gonna see

2511
01:54:33,778 --> 01:54:37,097
Speaker 4: a guy like Derreck Henry again. Uh, Cam Skataboo good player.

2512
01:54:37,178 --> 01:54:38,738
Speaker 4: I would like to see him draft a running back.

2513
01:54:39,098 --> 01:54:41,578
Speaker 4: I do think with Rabel there is a chance they drive,

2514
01:54:41,738 --> 01:54:45,017
Speaker 4: especially if he doesn't believe vermonder Stevenson can fix his

2515
01:54:45,018 --> 01:54:47,458
Speaker 4: fumbling issues. I do think there's a chance they're gonna

2516
01:54:47,458 --> 01:54:49,538
Speaker 4: take a running back somewhere that's gonna make you uncomfortable.

2517
01:54:49,618 --> 01:54:51,097
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be in the first round.

2518
01:54:51,338 --> 01:54:54,498
Speaker 4: Maybe it's on Day two. Those Ohio State backs. Man,

2519
01:54:54,578 --> 01:54:56,458
Speaker 4: if he wants to find again, I'm not gonna compare

2520
01:54:56,498 --> 01:54:58,818
Speaker 4: anybody to Derrick Henry, but if he wants to find himself,

2521
01:54:58,818 --> 01:55:02,098
Speaker 4: a bell cow right twenty five carries a game seventeen

2522
01:55:02,138 --> 01:55:04,937
Speaker 4: games this season. Can can weather the tear, can still

2523
01:55:04,937 --> 01:55:07,298
Speaker 4: be giving out body blows with all of that that

2524
01:55:07,418 --> 01:55:10,937
Speaker 4: contact that he's taking. Oh boy, would Quinn Shaw and

2525
01:55:11,018 --> 01:55:14,498
Speaker 4: Judkins be fun in that offense or Travon Henderson. I

2526
01:55:14,538 --> 01:55:17,257
Speaker 4: like Judkins a little bit better, But like those Ohio

2527
01:55:17,378 --> 01:55:22,818
Speaker 4: State backs, Mari, just those stop stop, don't do that

2528
01:55:22,897 --> 01:55:26,698
Speaker 4: thing good football, don't don't, don't blame.

2529
01:55:29,098 --> 01:55:31,658
Speaker 3: Up front. We're gonna be a bunch of hogs. So

2530
01:55:31,778 --> 01:55:32,137
Speaker 3: you don't.

2531
01:55:32,178 --> 01:55:34,498
Speaker 4: So you don't like the Ohio State running backs.

2532
01:55:34,498 --> 01:55:37,017
Speaker 3: Uh, they're fine. I think they're all.

2533
01:55:37,018 --> 01:55:39,218
Speaker 2: I think this running back class is so deep and

2534
01:55:39,338 --> 01:55:41,937
Speaker 2: uh and has so many names in it that like

2535
01:55:42,138 --> 01:55:43,418
Speaker 2: just just just take something.

2536
01:55:43,418 --> 01:55:45,097
Speaker 4: I think there's a ton of good Backs. I don't

2537
01:55:45,138 --> 01:55:46,937
Speaker 4: think you can miss running back this year.

2538
01:55:46,818 --> 01:55:48,017
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't. I don't.

2539
01:55:48,338 --> 01:55:50,498
Speaker 2: I'm not putting any sort of priority on that position

2540
01:55:50,498 --> 01:55:52,378
Speaker 2: if they're gonna go a little higher, which I wouldn't

2541
01:55:52,378 --> 01:55:53,258
Speaker 2: be surprised if they do.

2542
01:55:53,338 --> 01:55:55,698
Speaker 4: I like the Ohio State guys, but that guy was

2543
01:55:55,698 --> 01:55:59,977
Speaker 4: definitely trolling or maybe or maybe you maybe a Mario

2544
01:56:00,218 --> 01:56:02,618
Speaker 4: a mari and Hampton is more realistic of conversation than

2545
01:56:02,618 --> 01:56:04,578
Speaker 4: we thought. There we go and reuniting him with Drake Man.

2546
01:56:04,658 --> 01:56:06,137
Speaker 4: You like Hampton, I know you like Hampton.

2547
01:56:06,178 --> 01:56:08,578
Speaker 2: I do like Hampton. I saw him at the pro day,

2548
01:56:08,618 --> 01:56:11,498
Speaker 2: and I am very, very as much recency bias as

2549
01:56:11,498 --> 01:56:13,458
Speaker 2: I have. I'm also biased to people that I saw

2550
01:56:13,538 --> 01:56:17,338
Speaker 2: in person, the Ohio State guys. I think most people

2551
01:56:17,418 --> 01:56:19,258
Speaker 2: that that do this for a living are that way.

2552
01:56:19,498 --> 01:56:24,178
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you see so, I I definitely am

2553
01:56:24,258 --> 01:56:24,618
Speaker 3: all right.

2554
01:56:25,058 --> 01:56:25,538
Speaker 4: That does it.

2555
01:56:25,978 --> 01:56:27,738
Speaker 2: I have to take a call out too, so we

2556
01:56:27,778 --> 01:56:31,538
Speaker 2: have to a few minutes earlier here, but I think

2557
01:56:31,618 --> 01:56:35,977
Speaker 2: next week, you know, next week. I know we have

2558
01:56:36,018 --> 01:56:39,298
Speaker 2: a lot of questions in here about like draft strategy

2559
01:56:39,418 --> 01:56:42,378
Speaker 2: and Vrabels types and things. We obviously had to open

2560
01:56:42,418 --> 01:56:44,298
Speaker 2: the show today with our thoughts on the higher and

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff to begin with. So next

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Speaker 2: week we'll get right back into it. And then the

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Speaker 2: week after that, Not to make you feel bad because

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Speaker 2: I wish you were coming with me, but the week

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Speaker 2: after that, I will be in Mobile for the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 2: so we'll do a show. Alex will be here running

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Speaker 2: the ship from home base, and I'll be at the

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, so we'll have plenty of draft talk on

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Speaker 2: that show. Obviously will be all draft talk. We'll just

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Speaker 2: do mobile mobile Mobile down there. So I'm really looking

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Speaker 2: forward to that on my second trip to the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited for that, and I'm really excited just

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Speaker 2: also to observe and see who's there from the Patriots

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Speaker 2: will be interesting in itself, so we'll see what reports

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Speaker 2: I can come up from there. But one more time,

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you guys next week and we'll

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Speaker 2: get into a lot of draft talk.

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Speaker 3: In a couple weeks and I'm in Mobile.

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Speaker 2: But until then, signing off for Alex Bartam Evan Lazarre,

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Speaker 2: See you next time.

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