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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and lazarn So everybody nailed it, joined has always Barak.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barnes. To all your points,

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Speaker 2: I don't think Gonzales is really necessarily that vocal guy.

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Speaker 2: I think there will be a point in his career

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Speaker 2: lead by example and look at and say, that's that's

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Speaker 2: the the peak. You know, that's a guy that is

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Speaker 2: doing it at a really high level. I think the

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Speaker 2: biggest thing that Christian Gonzales can do to prove that

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Speaker 2: he has worth the money that he performance wise has

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Speaker 2: rightfully earned next off season is be appailable. So keeping

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Speaker 2: himself off the field is the opposite. I'm with you,

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Speaker 2: like what hurts his value more?

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Speaker 1: If he plays ten to twelve games but he plays

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Speaker 1: them at the level he played lest year better, Or

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Speaker 1: he plays sixteen or seventeen games but he's like eighty

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Speaker 1: percent of the player he was last year, which one

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Speaker 1: hurts him more.

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Speaker 2: Contractually not being available, Well, maybe we'll get out there

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Speaker 2: today a let's say practice in a couple of hours,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to Mike Vrabel too, who has been

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Speaker 2: pretty open about practice participation, and maybe Christian Conzalez will

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Speaker 2: be out there. I think there's a chance of that.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a chance of that here today. So

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Speaker 2: we're going to be talking Patriots. We're going to look

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Speaker 2: back here for the first half of the show and

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Speaker 2: talk about the Raiders game, and then we'll turn the page,

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Speaker 2: if you will, to Miami and the Dolphins and take

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Speaker 2: your calls and emails. So typical format in season format.

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Speaker 2: Good to have a game to talk to talk about,

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Speaker 2: I should say and break down Evan Lazar, Alex Barth,

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Speaker 2: Alex behind the glass with you here on the Patriots

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two podcasts. Now, I want to open the

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Speaker 2: show with talking about the Raiders, and we have a

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Speaker 2: little exercise that we're to do here in a second

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to see you up four because you're

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Speaker 2: gonna drive the bus on that, so I'll tee you

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Speaker 2: big picture first, as we normally do, and just get

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Speaker 2: your take and my take out there about this game

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Speaker 2: as a whole. I do want to say yesterday on

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Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered, I was a little agitated, Alex, I was

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Speaker 2: a little I was a little agitated. I was frustrated.

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Speaker 2: On Monday. You also have to sit in that traffic. No,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't because of traffic today Monday. You know, you

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Speaker 2: watch the film, you watch the offense, and I got

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Speaker 2: to admitted it got me in a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a dark place. You have a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: recency bias. Hey, I had a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: dark place because it looked clunky to the point where

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Speaker 2: it was very similar to what we've seen over the

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Speaker 2: last let's call it three years, going back to you know,

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Speaker 2: don't want to do that again. I don't think anybody does.

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Speaker 2: But with that being said, it's week one, it's early.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely a fair shout. And I would say that

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Speaker 2: I have a lot more faith in this coaching staff,

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels, to adjust to what their

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Speaker 2: and I do think that their roster talent is improved.

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Speaker 2: I do trust in Drake May's talent and his ability

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Speaker 2: I did certainly watching it back Monday and yesterday, because

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Speaker 2: I do want to have some faith and give some

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Speaker 2: grace to this coaching staff to get some tape, figure

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Speaker 2: out exactly what we're good at, what we're not good at,

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Speaker 2: what plays work, what plays don't work, get some tape

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Speaker 2: on opponents as well, and be able to game plan

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Speaker 2: I should say, are currently small sea concerns like none

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Speaker 2: that's why we saw a lot of those May sprays

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Speaker 2: that we didn't see as many of those last year

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Speaker 2: And I put that on mostly Josh McDaniels, but also

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Speaker 2: We see throws like the opening third down throw to

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Speaker 2: things that, like I said, when he did the scouting

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Speaker 2: everybody had concerns about it. Seemed like they had him

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Speaker 2: As a team like this that's built this way. That's

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Speaker 2: have to be more creative. They have to be more

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Speaker 2: better technique on the offensive line, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: And they have to be able to run the football.

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Speaker 2: And the last one here, I'm just trying to fix

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Speaker 2: we solve all their problems. The last thing I thought defensively,

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Speaker 2: Rabel said we had good demeanor on our blitz, which

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Speaker 2: I thought that they were physical, they were flying. They

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Speaker 2: there was those nine explosive plays. I think what I

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Speaker 2: that Carlton Davis gave up the big play to Dante

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Speaker 2: just let's calm down a little bit with the blitzes.

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Speaker 2: better at that. I think Terrell Williams will learn from

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Speaker 2: these mistakes, or you want to calm mistakes. I think

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Speaker 2: they'll get better at it overall in terms of timing

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Speaker 2: up the blitzes. But they threw a lot at the

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Speaker 2: maybe it was a little bit too much for a

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Speaker 2: week one. A lot of blitzes, a lot of exotic pressure,

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Speaker 2: a lot of cover zero. You know, it's just it

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Speaker 2: that kind of led to this loss. You know, if

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Speaker 2: to an l right like that, that's sort of where

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Speaker 2: I'm at. Where were you at with this game? After

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Speaker 2: I conclude my ran so let me throw. Make sure

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's tough up.

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Speaker 1: You're letting you saw ten minutes off the show, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought, so my big takeaways and we can get

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Speaker 1: into my exercise on the offense. I actually liked Drake

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Speaker 1: May's first half. I thought more like, was it Amona

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Speaker 1: and he was just never the same after the pick.

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Speaker 1: And whether that was him feeling he needed to get conservative,

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's getting conservative because he got freaked out by

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Speaker 1: the turnover. Probably in reality, it's a little bit of both, right,

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Speaker 1: I thought, And we talked about this a lot this summer.

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Speaker 1: Rake made did a great job of bouncing back. He

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Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of mistakes. When he did, he

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Speaker 1: was generally good after them, and so to see, and

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Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, let's move it along here. We

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Speaker 2: can be bogged down by a lot of this for

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Speaker 2: a while. Football fans know that traditions matter, turning moments

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Speaker 2: all right, So we have an exercise that we want

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Speaker 1: You can you can lead and what like pass heavy

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Speaker 2: want to be past heavy, right, But like we.

434
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Speaker 1: Saw on so okay, so here's another one, my next

435
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: one and we can kind of tie it in the

436
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Speaker 1: So I had originally had the pass protection being good

437
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: because the past protection was solidness.

438
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 2: It's fine until the end. We can get to that.

439
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: But like, all right, so I'll flip this, Yes, inability

440
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: to run the ball real or fake? I'm gonna go,

441
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: are the Patriots gonna be a bad run team this year?

442
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go It's hard to say because we only

443
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: have one game of film.

444
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: But this is the point, this is this is hard

445
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: to say. We want to subscribe, so we only have

446
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: one game. So people are gonna look at this, and

447
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: because there's no nothing else, you look at it and say,

448
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: is this what the Patriots are?

449
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: Or was this a weird Week one thing? Because Week

450
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: one is weird because Week one is I'm always weird.

451
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say fake. But I I think the concern

452
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: that I have with the run game, and this I'll

453
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: give my take because as well, the concern that I

454
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 2: have with the run game is that I thought that

455
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 2: they were not creative enough with how they ran the football.

456
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: And when I watch film around the league of other teams,

457
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: like when I watched the Colts Dolphins game, it really

458
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 2: was a nice juxtaposition with those two teams of a

459
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: gun run team versus an under center run team. The

460
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: Dolphins are an under center West Coast Kyle Shanahan Tree offense,

461
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 2: right so they run the ball from pistol or from

462
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: under center, whereas the Eagles are running a West Coast

463
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: college system where they have RPOs and zone reads and

464
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: they're running the ball from the gun. And when you

465
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 2: run the ball from under center, there's basically those are

466
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: the two buckets. Like there's the the Andy Reid Eagles

467
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 2: offshoot offense right now that is gun heavy. That's Reid

468
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 2: option or RPO heavy from the gun yep. Then there

469
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: is the Shanahan Tree guys that are under When you're

470
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: under center run team like the Shanahan entry does, there's

471
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: a ton of window dressing. There's motion. There's you know,

472
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: motion at the snap. There's motion before the snap. There's jets,

473
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: there's orbits where the guys are going around behind the quarterback.

474
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: There's faking right you know, the quarterbacks, you know, has

475
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: that slight of hand where he's faking to the different options.

476
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: And then there's also boots which like make the backside

477
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: of the formation respect it. And all of this creates

478
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: space and it opens gaps in the run game, and

479
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: it stretches the defense horizontally and challenges their communication and

480
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 2: their assignments so that you can create voids and pockets

481
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: of space into the defense with motion and with misdirection.

482
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: That's the under center team. That's what they do. The

483
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: RPO gun run team. They do it by we're going

484
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: to attach routes to this so that you have to

485
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: cover the routes. And now we're taking guys out of

486
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: the box because we're two over three over here, right

487
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: there's two receips to three defenders. So now it's just math,

488
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: like there's only so many guys you can put in

489
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: the box. If you're gonna have a let's call it

490
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: like a bubble out on the outside where there's like

491
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: a bubble to the wide receiver. If you're gonna have that,

492
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: and they're gonna put three guys over there, there's only

493
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: eleven guys on the field, so you're adding numbers advantages

494
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: to the box so that you can get hat on

495
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: the hat. From a blocking perspective, When I watched the

496
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Patriots run the football on Sunday when they went under center,

497
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't think there was enough window dressing. I don't

498
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: think there was enough misdirection, deception, all those different types

499
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 2: of things. I believe. It's just my belief, Yep. The

500
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: defenses are too good nowadays to just line up and

501
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: hand the ball off and try to smash heads. I

502
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna work. There's two The defenses are

503
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 2: too fast, they're too athletic. They have too many scheme

504
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: of related things that they can do now to shut

505
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 2: down run games. You know, gap penetration, stunting, run, blitzing. Like,

506
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: these defenses are too sift caated and the athletes are

507
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: too good that if you just run the football directly

508
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: up the gut like they used to do twenty thirty

509
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: years ago, it just doesn't work the same way that

510
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: it once did. The defenses are too evolved at this

511
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: point to do it that way. So if you're gonna

512
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: be an under center run team, you have to dress

513
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: it up. It has to be creative, it has to

514
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: have you know, window dressing to it, or you can

515
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: spread them out and be a gun run team and

516
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: use the options to your advantage. The Patriots, to me,

517
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: were like caught in between, like they didn't have either

518
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: one of those things going on often.

519
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: Enough to bring it back to the exercise, and those

520
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: are all good points. Is this something where the Patriots

521
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: are just going to have an uncreative run game and

522
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: struggle to run the ball and be forced into being

523
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: a more dedicated dropback pass team, which Mike Griebel said

524
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to happen, right, Or is this a

525
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: weird Week one thing where we know Josh McDaniels builds

526
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: his offense up as the year goes on and that

527
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: stuff is coming, but for one reason or another, wasn't

528
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: a big part of the Week one game plan.

529
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Speaker 2: I definitely worry that it's more going to be this

530
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: is what they this is what they install, and this

531
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 2: is what they're doing. But I reserve judgment to be corrected.

532
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: Well, if that's the case, and you think it's real

533
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: that they end up being kind of a pass heavy

534
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: team this year, because if they're not gonna.

535
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the exercise, but it's hard to say.

536
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: I think I think they're gonna because I have more

537
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: to running the football because the other thing, right.

538
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: By committing more to run the football only works if

539
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: you can run the ball. So here's the other thing

540
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 2: for me, and I brought this up earlier.

541
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Speaker 1: They only ran to the right side once Mike go

542
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and win when Morgan Moses are both plus run blockers,

543
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: and I know Campbell and Wilson were good at that

544
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: in the summer their rookies, and they had their rookie

545
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: moments in that game. I talked about it with David

546
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: Andrews on that podcast on Monday, which people can check

547
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: out Run Behind your Best run Blockers, and I think

548
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: it might look a little better. I know that's probably oversimplified.

549
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: Well, I think that some of that was I hear you,

550
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: But I think the direction of the runs is because

551
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 2: of Max Crosby. I think they were trying to run

552
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: away from Max Crosby. Why not run out of you?

553
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: The upset the timing of him as a pack awesome

554
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: run player, all right.

555
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: I I it might have been overthinking it and giving

556
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: him too much credit in some ways if you want

557
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: to go there, But he's just as good of a

558
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: run defender as he is a pass rusher. He's a

559
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: great player, and so I think that they decided we're

560
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: going to run at Koons, We're gonna run at Adam

561
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: Butler like we're going to run at different people, and

562
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: we're not going to try to put Max Crosby at

563
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: the point of attack. That's just my theory on why

564
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: they did it that way. Yeah, we'll see if that

565
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: is a that cannot be and I don't think that

566
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: Josh will allow it to be. That can't be a

567
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: tell that they're only going to run left. I think

568
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: that that to me, if you want to go real

569
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: or fake like that is a Week one or not?

570
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean, look, are they going to be

571
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy eight Patriots. No, but I think they're

572
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: going to be better at running the ball all right.

573
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: Number two, pass protection. Patriots allowed a pressure on thirty

574
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: percent of the dropbacks, the fourteenth lowest rate in the

575
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: NFL Accordney Next Gen stats in Week one. That that

576
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: number over the rest of the year like thirty point two.

577
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: If they keep that pressure rate for the whole year

578
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: based off last yours numbers, that would be a top

579
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: ten pass blocking offensive line in the NFL Evan Reeler fake.

580
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: The Patriots will be a top fifteen pass blocking offensive

581
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: line this year.

582
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to go real. Wow, Okay, I'm gonna go real.

583
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: And the reason why I'm going to go real is

584
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: because I think they were able to hold up in

585
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: pass protection. Because, to give him credit, I've done a

586
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: lot of Josh bashing today. To give him credit, I

587
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: think Josh is really good at protecting weak spots on

588
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Like he did not really let Max

589
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: Crosby just tee off on Morgan Moses won on one

590
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: a ton in this game. There were chips. There was

591
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: slide to that side of the line. The tight end

592
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: would stay in for an extra second and you know

593
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: chip there, or the running back would chip on the

594
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: way out. It didn't always work obviously on the left

595
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: side with the strips at but they did kind of

596
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: the same with Campbell. I think they realized that their

597
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: offensive line is going to have some holes in pass

598
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: protection and they're not going to allow that to snowball

599
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: on them as much as maybe the staff did last year.

600
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: The staff last year just kind of called their plays

601
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: and expected the line to the execution in the line

602
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: to improve, Whereas I think Josh will say this is

603
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: a tough week for us in pass protection. You know,

604
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: maybe this week even with chubin Jalen, it's a good

605
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: front Zach Steeler with the Dolphins, like, We're not going

606
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: to just allow these guys to just isolate our players

607
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: and isolate our tackles and tee off. So I guess

608
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: this is more faith in McDaniels than it is in

609
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: the players necessarily that they'll be able to get people.

610
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: Both interesting.

611
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: So you have the run blocking in the pass blocking.

612
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: You think both were real in this game, Yes, I

613
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: think both were fake. I look, I was very encouraged

614
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: by what I saw from the offensive lines, better than

615
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: I expected. I'm not saying they're going to go back

616
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: to being the bottom the league. I think with Drake

617
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: may struggling under pressure at times in this game, you're

618
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: going to see him get blitzed more. I think that

619
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: numbers may be also a product of how many times

620
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: they throw. They threw the ball, So I said earlier,

621
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I think is going to come down. Do they I

622
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: think they will be top twenty five. Can they maybe

623
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: sniff that top twenty shirt? Top half of the league

624
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: have about the top ten. Do you think they end

625
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: up top ten in pressure rate allowed? Top ten's high

626
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: so and the other thing.

627
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: But you have to really like to me, like pressure

628
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: rate is as much about the play calling as it

629
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: is the drop I get where you're coming from. So

630
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: I think that in that sense, they just are going

631
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: to do a better job of protecting the offensive line.

632
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: And they did it on Sunday because they've dropped back

633
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: fifty three times. Yeah, and so a lot of this too,

634
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 2: is just from my film study of the game, Like

635
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: it really didn't start the snowball on the rookies until

636
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. Well, this is their first time playing

637
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: four or fourth quarters in the NFL, and they're asking

638
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: him to drop back fifty three times. They're gonna make

639
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: some mistakes. It's not going to be perfect. So that's

640
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: a big part of it too. Like Jared Wilson ends

641
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: up giving you know, depending on who you believe in,

642
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: what metric you want to, you know, round four or

643
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: five pressures in this game. Three of them happened in

644
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, Yeah, when he started to get tired.

645
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of that is part of

646
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: it too.

647
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Right, So there you go, and the other thing for

648
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: me just saying that I think that's fake. There's an

649
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: injuries too, I think will factor in that. All right,

650
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: a couple more Kayshawn Booty. I just kind of wrote

651
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Kashawn Booty's breakout if you want to characterize it. Six catches,

652
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and three yards. What I like the most

653
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: from him? Five of his six catches went for first downs.

654
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: The other one was a yard short on second and fifteen,

655
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: which I think he broke the route off short to

656
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: create the throwing window, which I'm fine with that on

657
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: second down. Any team, you know, you should feel good

658
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: about converting a third and one if you can get

659
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: that chunk play on second down. So is this real?

660
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: Is Kayshawn Booty? And that doesn't mean he has to

661
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: get one hundred yards every game? But is this real

662
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: that Kashawn Booty is going to be like a go

663
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: to chain moving wide receiver? Like, are we gonna more

664
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: or less see what we saw out of him on

665
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: Sunday weekend and week out?

666
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: Do you think real or fake? I've been I've been

667
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: told that I'm a Kashn Booty hater. I have as well,

668
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: and I would say, first of all, a lot of

669
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: that stems from the fact of how this coaching staff

670
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: has made it look like they view Kaishan Boody going

671
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: back to the offseason when he was in all these

672
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: trade rumors and they didn't seem super interested in Kashan Boody,

673
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: so that it's a lot of it stems from that.

674
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I would say, also, and this is not Kaishan Boody's fault,

675
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: but if Kaishan Boody is your best wide receiver, then

676
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: I'm concerned.

677
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: So we're not getting bigger picture with the pass game here.

678
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that.

679
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: But just so I think that that's what I'm just saying,

680
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: Like I think my takes on Kaishan Boody stem from

681
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: that because I'm thinking, to myself, Kaishan Boody is an

682
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: NFL player, Like, he's proven that he's a good He's

683
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: an NFL as receiver and it's probably a top three,

684
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: you know, starting receiver in this league. But if that's

685
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: the best you got, then that's not good.

686
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: But just in a bubble, and you're right, he's better

687
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: as a complimentary player, But in a bubble, was that

688
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: a pretty accurate representation of the player.

689
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: He's going to be this year one hundred yards a lot.

690
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: So I don't think he's going to get one hundred

691
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: yards every week. I think the way he ran routes,

692
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: and I thought, what was the best part about the

693
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: way he ran I thought he played with great play

694
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: strength yea at both at the top of the route

695
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: and at the catch point. I thought he played with

696
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: real sturdiness to his game, real willingness to go over

697
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: the middle of the field on some of those dig

698
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: routes where there were traffic and he could have taken

699
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: a lick. He actually did take a lick on one

700
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: of those. That was probably Drake's best throw of the game.

701
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: I think it's real in terms of what he put

702
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: on film. I don't know, he's not going to go

703
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: for six for one hundred every single So yeah, I

704
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: think it's real.

705
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: And part of the reason I think it's real is

706
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the kinds of catches he was making

707
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: were the kind of catches he made in camp. That

708
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: was exactly what he was doing all of camp. You know,

709
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: comeback routes and in cuts in the intermediate to the field,

710
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: creating separation at top of the route. He gave Drake

711
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: made some easy windows to put the ball into. Is

712
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: going to have one hundred yards every week? Probably not.

713
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: I will be interested to see if the Dolphins. It

714
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: felt to me like the Raiders were more focused on

715
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: taking away one the over the top and then really

716
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: sick underneath on Trayvon Henderson and on Pop Douglas, and

717
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: they were giving the Patriots the middle of the field.

718
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: And so I'll be interesting if the Dolphins maybe take

719
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: another approach and focus more on him. But if the

720
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: production goes down, but the production goes down because he's

721
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: being focused on and now it's open more underneath for

722
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Henderson in Pop Douglas, or you're bringing another safety down

723
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: and now you know somebody else Kyle Williams or whoever

724
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: can get over the top and get vertical like that's

725
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: still a real impact, even if the numbers are not there.

726
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm not saying team, I'm not saying Kashan Boody is

727
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: a Tuesday Morning player. But you're going to game plan

728
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: around somebody. You don't just come in and played Vanilla

729
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: across the board. So I think it's real. I think

730
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: that that game from Kashan Budy is real. Again, the

731
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: numbers may fluctuate a little bit, but I think that

732
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: was real all right. Being blitz heavy. Patriots had one

733
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: of the highest blitz rate in the league. They converted

734
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: it on their blitzes. They turned blitzer into pressures in

735
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: the second highest rate in the league, although it's worth

736
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: noting there were fifty six percent. Only two teams that

737
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: were like in their above fifty percent blitz more than

738
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: ten times, and they were at sixteen, so that was

739
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of higher.

740
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: Obviously mixed results.

741
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: But are the Patriots going to be one of the

742
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: heaviest blitzing teams in the NFL this year?

743
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 2: Real? Are fake? Real? I'm with you. I think they're

744
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: gonna blitz. They did not blitz a lot in Tennessee.

745
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: This staff with you know, Vrabel and Zach Kerr and

746
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: and Terrell Williams. But my guess is that didn't blitz

747
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: as much in Tennessee because they didn't have the man

748
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: corners that they have on this team. I think they

749
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: want to be an aggressive defense. I want I think

750
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: they want to make negative plays and they want to

751
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: take the football away on defense, and they're going to

752
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: live with some of the boom or bust that comes

753
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: with that. Nine explosives is too many, like they that

754
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: can't happen every single week. Yeah, but if they exchange

755
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: some haymakers like that's I think the way they want

756
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: to play. I don't think they want to be a

757
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia special where they're sitting down in coverage and

758
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: they're forcing everything in front then don't break. Yeah, that's

759
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: afraid I'm looking for. I don't think they want to

760
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 2: do that.

761
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: With and look as for the results, I think they'll

762
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: be mixed. I think it will be a little bit

763
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: better once they get Gonzales back. But just in terms

764
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: of the approach, I think the blitz heaviness you saw

765
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: in that game was real. One more and this is

766
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: one that did not get talked about as much. But

767
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: the number is a little inflated because of the way

768
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: the game ended and you had the on side kick,

769
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: go out of bounds and some other stuff. But Patriots

770
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: are called for nine penalties in this game, nine accepted penalties.

771
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: They averaged six and a half per game last year.

772
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: You had some in big spots. We'll get to Will

773
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: Campbell like I thought, blocking wise, Will Campbell was fine.

774
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: The penalties can't happen, especially the false start late in

775
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: the game. You know, Jalen Hawkins took a bad unncessary

776
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: roughness penalty. Mike Vrabel talked about playing cleaner football, not

777
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: committing bad football. There are some avoidable penalties in there.

778
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is. Nine penalties seventh most,

779
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: tied for the seventh most in the NFL. The Raiders also,

780
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: by the way, I got called for nine, so maybe

781
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: some of it was the crew. But again, things can

782
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: be weird in Week one. That's the way this goes,

783
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: real or fake. The Patriots will have a penalty problem

784
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: this year.

785
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go real, but I do think it will

786
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: level off by the end of the season. But I

787
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: think what you're seeing a lot with some of these

788
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 2: penalties is that you either have young players like Will Campbell,

789
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: who's a rookie. Jared Wilson also got called for a

790
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: hold young players or players that are now playing in

791
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: new schemes and new new systems and things like that.

792
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: I do think that that can take time to figure

793
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: that out. And when you're not one hundred percent sure

794
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: about where you're supposed to be and you're chasing, if

795
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: you're on defense, that's when the holding calls. Start. That's

796
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: when the past interference calls start. That's when maybe you know,

797
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: jumping off side because you don't have it timed up perfectly,

798
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, starts. So I think there's gonna be some

799
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: sloppiness that they are going to have to work through

800
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: as a team, as a new team with a new staff,

801
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: with what twenty seven new players or something like that.

802
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: I think that that's gonna happen. But I do expect

803
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: around and like Bill used to say, like around Thanksgiving,

804
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: I expect that to clean up. So I'm exactly.

805
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be real early and it tapers

806
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: off everything you just said. Young players, new players, all that. Like,

807
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: it's gonna take them a while to kind of settle in.

808
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Can't have nine penalties every week. The only reason I

809
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: kind of lean fake. The Raiders got called for a

810
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: lot of penalties too. This crew is pretty ticky tack.

811
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: I do appreciate they got the calls in quick. Usually

812
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: the Ticki tech crews also take their sweet time. You know,

813
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: they all gathering. It was just the one guy going

814
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: to the other guy. Here's what I've got.

815
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's gonna be nine every week.

816
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I think the number will be a little high through

817
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: the first month, month and a half of the season

818
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: then come down. So I think this is real to

819
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: an extent. I don't think this was because I look,

820
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: there were some teams last year.

821
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: I forget who it was.

822
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: There's one team that got calls were like double digit

823
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: penalties in Week one last year and then was like

824
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: bottom five in the league in penalties all year. They

825
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: just got one crew in Week one that called a

826
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: lot of penalties, And so that's where you get into

827
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: that is this a trend er? Is it a week

828
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: one thing? So I'm going real on that as well.

829
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: That's really fair. I don't know if you have any

830
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: anything else you think was a good like storyline from

831
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: this game that you think is it a week one thing.

832
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: I think we pretty much unpacked the everything that I

833
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: wanted to get to.

834
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm going to throw one more in there,

835
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: and it's not really a realer fake. I just want

836
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: to clarify it. So I had some people ask me

837
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: about this in terms of Travon Henderson not getting the

838
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: ball enough. Travon Henderson led the team in touches he

839
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: got they called thirteen design runs.

840
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: He got five carries. I did not love the plan.

841
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: So the usage is different, Yeah, Travon Henderson, And I

842
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: know people think that we're like afraid of giving Travon

843
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: Henderson the ball.

844
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: That's not even what the stake is.

845
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they gave Travon Henderson the ball enough proportionally for

846
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: what they called proportionally.

847
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: They didn't call it like again.

848
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Five right, he got six catches. A lot of them

849
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: were either checked downs or screens that got blown up.

850
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Swing swing passes into the flats and screens. As your

851
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: most explosive player on offense, it's just not it's not enough,

852
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: like they need to get him vertically down the field.

853
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: I think that.

854
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: The usage rate for Travon Henderson is real. The raw

855
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: number maybe doesn't reflect that as much, but that's due

856
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: to oddities in the play calling. That's not them. That's

857
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: not them like being afraid to give the ball to

858
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: Travon Henderson. Yeah, they just called it the game weird.

859
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: I just didn't love how they used him in this game.

860
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: I he is your biggest big play threat on offense.

861
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: He's the most explosive player that they have. And I

862
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: get it, like when you fas a team that's playing

863
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: a ton of zone like the Vegas was, and Next

864
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: Gen had them with one snap of man to man

865
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: the entire game. I thought I saw a couple more

866
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: than just one. I think PFF was closer to like

867
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: four or five. But whatever the case may be. You

868
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: drop back to pass fifty three times and they only

869
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: play five snaps in Manta Man. That's a heavy zone plan,

870
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: but that's as heavy as it gets. Well, and when

871
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: he play zone coverage, you know you're not gonna get

872
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: the matchup of like Travon Henderson on a linebacker on

873
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: a wheel route, Like, that's not gonna be as favorable

874
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: of a matchup as maybe you would if a team

875
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: is playing man to man against you. So I get that,

876
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: but you are faced he is the most explosive player

877
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: that you have. Can I get one wheel route?

878
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: Like?

879
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Can I get one thing down the field with Travon Henderson?

880
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: They need to do that, like at once or twice

881
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: a game. He needs to be sent vertical to try

882
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: to hit him down the field on a big play.

883
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: It just has to be a big part of their arsenal.

884
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: So I expect that to be something that they'll get to,

885
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Like I don't have any concerns that Josh McDaniels is

886
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: gonna only throw you know, check downs and screens at

887
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson all season long. I'm sure that they'll have

888
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,840
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889
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905
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907
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 2: about some goods here too, because I know I feel

908
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: like I'm overly negative to start the show, so you

909
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: go first, because I think we might have a similar upslist,

910
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: So number one up.

911
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: So we just talked a lot about him and why

912
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: I think he was good, so we don't need to

913
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: do a ton of Kishawan booty like left off in

914
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: camp and being a chain mover and getting them. Is

915
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: the term chunk plays? So not not an explosive play,

916
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: not a twenty five plus yard play, but you know

917
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: ten to twenty five is that a chunk play?

918
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: Or am I using that term wrong? Well, I don't know.

919
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: I feel like explosives are twenty plus and most of

920
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: the time I hear chunk play, I hear explosive.

921
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: So what's the term for, Like, here's for Kaishan Boody,

922
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: here's where I think he was so useful. When the

923
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels offense is going, yes, and when the Patriots

924
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: and different offense have been going the last few years,

925
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: they've got, you know, as their quarterbacks have struggled, And

926
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: I need to look this up.

927
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: I haven't looked it up.

928
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: What percentage of their first downs do you think they've

929
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: picked up on third down? It's got to be pretty high, right, yes,

930
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: versus Kaishan Boody gets you first down on second and

931
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: eight gets you a first down on first and ten.

932
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: That sort of thing where maybe he's not running all

933
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: the way down the field of the end zone, but

934
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: you're not you know, three yards four yards, three yards,

935
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: first down, four yards, three arts, four yards, first down,

936
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: five yards, three arts, three yards, first down, Right, that

937
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: sort of thing he's giving you. He's moving the change

938
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: with a little more urgency. They haven't had an X

939
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: receiver that could do that in a little bit maybe

940
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: since Lafelle, and I just think him doing that. You

941
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: saw it early when the offense was moving and when

942
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: they were playing well, it's it's a real spark, and

943
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't I don't love that they got a way

944
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: from it in the second half. I don't think the

945
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Raiders coverage changed a ton, but I thought if they

946
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: can get more of that out of him, that would

947
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: be a huge development.

948
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great. He was my number two, but

949
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: he up but on my ups for sure. You know,

950
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: six for one oh three on eight targets. I thought

951
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: he played with great play strengths, ran really strong, steady routes.

952
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: I think what you saw out of him too is

953
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: something that just in general, just talking about the whole game,

954
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: I still think that it's a work in progress in

955
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: terms of Drake's confidence throwing to certain receivers in this offense.

956
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: And he has a lot of confidence throwing the ball

957
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: to Kseh on Booty, and I don't think that it's

958
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: a mistake or I don't think it's a coincidence. Yeah,

959
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 2: about Booty's body type, Like Booty is a sturdy, thicker,

960
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: bill like six foot receiver with good ball skills, decent

961
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: catch radius like, I think that those are the types receivers.

962
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: Just talking about big picture, and I know this isn't

963
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: draft time yet, but when we start to get into

964
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: all this stuff in the offseason, I think there's a

965
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: certain type of receiver they need to start targeting for

966
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Drake may Well. And Josh Downs wasn't a big guy,

967
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: I know, but Josh Downs is It's different. It's just different.

968
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: The windows are different, the coverage is different. I think

969
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: Drake may needs guys with bigger catch radiuses. This is

970
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: my on working theory on this whole thing. I think

971
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: it would really help, of course with the accuracy, right,

972
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: Like you don't have to be pinpoint accurate when you're

973
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: throwing to a guy that has good a good catch radius.

974
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: But I think he has a lot of trust in

975
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: throwing the ball to of Keisha on booty and it

976
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: showed on Sunday, so that that was a really good

977
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: positive development. Who's number two Harold Landry? YEPF.

978
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: So everything I said about Kishan Boody like, Harold Landry's

979
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: kind of that player on defense for me, I don't

980
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get two and a half sacks a game.

981
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: But you see the Raiders game looked like it was

982
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: more focused on Christian Barmore and Christian Barmoer was the

983
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: guy they were going to take away, So that left

984
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: Harold Landry won on one he teed off good, you

985
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: want that guy teen off this week?

986
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: Does Miami shift that focus and do they put focus.

987
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: More on Landry? And you know, then you look at

988
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: Barmore and does he do more? And you know, I'll

989
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: just kind of love them together. My other up was

990
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: Milton Williams me too, and I just thought the two

991
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: of those guys had a ton of success rushing off

992
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: each other and it'll be interesting to see if the

993
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: blocking approach changes. But they left Harold Landry one on

994
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: one and he made him pay. And that's what you

995
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: want from a guy like that. We know he's not

996
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: a Matthew Judon kind of player who's going to win

997
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: even when the attention is on him. But the attention

998
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: wasn't on him, and he took advantage of it and

999
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: he impacted the game. Had they won, he's probably, you know,

1000
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: the MVP of the game for them.

1001
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so number one up for me was Harold Landry.

1002
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: I had him with eight quarterback pressures, three sacks, two

1003
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: run stuffs. I just had a monster game. He just

1004
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: had a monster game. And I think the biggest thing

1005
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: with Landry that makes me really excited is that that

1006
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: looked like the Rabel Titans Harold Landry and not the

1007
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: guy that played for the Titans last year, which makes

1008
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: you think about, you know, scheme fit and all that

1009
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: kind of stuff that we have discussed with Harold Landry

1010
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 2: here a little bit of was last year a sign

1011
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: that he was starting to slow down? Or was last

1012
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: year because he switched schemes, switched coaching staffs, and he

1013
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: wasn't a fit for the defense that they were running

1014
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. As much as he's a fit in this defense,

1015
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: his comfort level, his execution on stunts and games up front,

1016
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: just it shows like he's just very comfortable in this scheme.

1017
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: He plays it very very well. And he was highly

1018
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: disruptive in this game. And I thought, you know, just

1019
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: looking at him and Milton Williams working together on some

1020
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: of those stunts, I had Milton Williams with four pressures

1021
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: in a run stuff. He was also very disruptive in

1022
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: this game. Williams was awesome in this game.

1023
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: Yea.

1024
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: He was exactly as advertised. His win rates are like

1025
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: all off the charts with all the different metrics, if

1026
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: you want to go fancy and look at all those things,

1027
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: I think he's like top five in the league in

1028
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: Week one and pass rush win weight, disruptive, first into

1029
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: the gaps, quick to the edges. Had a couple of

1030
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: pass rush moves in this one bull rush rip move

1031
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: effective on the stunts held up in the run game,

1032
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: which I know is a little bit of a concern

1033
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: for people whether or not he was going to be

1034
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: able to be a three down player at least week one.

1035
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: So far, so good on that. So if you come

1036
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: out of this game, and I know there was a

1037
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: lot of negatives that we broke down in the first

1038
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: forty five minutes here, and Harold Landry and Milton Williams

1039
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: both made their their paycheck on Sunday, that's really really

1040
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: good for that free agency class. Now, not everybody was

1041
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: great from the free agency class, but that specifically was

1042
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: very good to see. You paid those guys a lot

1043
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: of money in the offseason and week one they delivered.

1044
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: That's good news for them. All Right, let's go to

1045
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 2: the downs. Number one, Drake May.

1046
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: I just thought again I said it earlier. I can

1047
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: find the stat here.

1048
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: I have it. I actually really liked we the first half.

1049
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: I think if what you get out of Drake May

1050
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: is more or less what he was in the first

1051
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: half of that game, like like we're cooking, Like that's

1052
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: a that's not a bad spot to be. The problem

1053
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: is so here the numbers pre interception, I mean, use

1054
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: some dinosaur numbers here, so try not to get too

1055
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: out at me. Eighteen to twenty five, seventy two percent

1056
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: completion percentage, one hundred eight two yards seven three point

1057
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: yards per attempt and the touchdown and that. So that's

1058
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: the first half and that second drive up to the

1059
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: interception where he actually made some nice throws on that

1060
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: first drive of the second half before he got picked off.

1061
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: After the interception, seven for twelve, so fifty eight percent

1062
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: fifty one yards. So his completion percentage drops by fifteen points,

1063
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: his yards per attempt drops by three yards per attempt,

1064
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: and you just look like, visibly, he just is approaching

1065
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: the game differently mentally. It looks like after the interception

1066
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: that was disappointing to me, Like you want him to

1067
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: have a little more that gunslinger mentality. Obviously you don't

1068
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: want him to make mistakes, but the mistakes are gonna come.

1069
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: Can he bounce back from him and continue to make

1070
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: plays again? I thought he had a really good feel

1071
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: off of it in that first half. The Raiders made

1072
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: some adjustments, but I didn't think it was anything that

1073
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: should have been too you know, restrictive on him. I

1074
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: think he just he got in his head, McDaniel's got

1075
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: in his head whoever, and and that that was kind

1076
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: of disappointed me. That the interception threw it, threw him

1077
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: off and threw the offense off as a whole. That's

1078
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: the other number, the as a team first downs twelve

1079
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: as a team in the first six drives before the

1080
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: interception between the and that's not sorry, that's not the

1081
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: interception at the end of the game. It's the interception

1082
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: until that two minute drill where the Raiders were in

1083
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: preventing to include that twelve first downs in the first

1084
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: six drives for the Patriots the ensuing four drives before

1085
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: the game really got out of hand, two total first downs.

1086
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: And four drives.

1087
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: So it just the the interception changed everything.

1088
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I you're trying to find the fancy math.

1089
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: Now I already have it, but it's not directly from

1090
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: the interception. But the interception happened early in the second half,

1091
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: so I have first half, second half.

1092
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: So I actually thought even that drive up until the interception,

1093
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: he was okay, so I wanted to give him credit

1094
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: for that.

1095
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: So that way plus point twenty six expecting points added

1096
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: in the first half per drop back, which is good,

1097
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: minus point three in the second half. So that he

1098
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: fell off in the second half, there's no other way

1099
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: to put it. Ten for seventeen for eighty three yards

1100
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: until that last drive that you. I can't. I wouldn't

1101
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: say it's truly garbage time, but pseudo garbage. I don't

1102
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: want to call it garbage time, but it's the defense

1103
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: like it's not. So he was ten for seventeen for

1104
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: eighty three yards on those first five possisions of the

1105
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: second half that went interception, punt, punt, punt, punt right.

1106
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: So on top of that, I wanted to talk a

1107
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: little bit about because we talked about this yesterday on

1108
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: PU and Bred and I kind of got into a

1109
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: disagreement about it, and I'm curious about your take on this.

1110
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: So I rode something after the game on Sunday about

1111
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: Drake May's fit in this Josh McDaniel's offense, and it

1112
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: got screenshot and it's gone around a little bit, so

1113
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it. The biggest thing that

1114
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: I see with Drake May in this offense is that

1115
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: I have What I worry about is if Drake May

1116
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: is going to be able to be consistently accurate enough

1117
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: in the short stuff, in the short game to really

1118
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: run an offense that is predicated on picking up that

1119
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: at first down, throwing the ball underneath, taking profits and

1120
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: playing that kind of football, and for some reason, I

1121
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: feel like that gets misconstrued and like people think that

1122
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: that's easy to do, Like, oh, every quarterback should be

1123
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: able to throw at ten yards. That's a skill, Like

1124
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: that's a that's a talent, that's an ability that you know,

1125
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: obviously Brady had it at a level that's beyond probably

1126
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: anybody else that's ever played in the game. But I'm

1127
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: going to cross sports here for a second and don't

1128
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: make any Joe Mizula jokes because I know that's coming.

1129
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: But like it would be a little bit like in

1130
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: basketball if we said, I know, you can only shoot

1131
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: twenty five percent from three, but we're a three point

1132
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: shooting team, so we're just gonna have your shoot threes. Anyways,

1133
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: all right, I won't say anything. I won't say anything.

1134
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: Well this Allics don't have a lot of twenty five

1135
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: percent three point shooters, so you can't not over the

1136
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: course of the season.

1137
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: They have guys that get in slumps in that. All right, Anyway,

1138
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: do you.

1139
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: Understand what I'm saying. I get what you're saying, or

1140
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: it's a good I'll use another basketball analogy because I

1141
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: knew that one was going to get you.

1142
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why the hell you would be

1143
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: a good idea.

1144
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: Everybody just there's certain guys, especially big guys in the

1145
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: NBA that can't shoot free throws right, And everybody is like,

1146
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: you're in the NBA, You're a professional basketball player. How

1147
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: can you not make at least the majority of your

1148
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: free throws? Some guys just can't. Like they can practice

1149
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: it all night long, they can practice it all day long,

1150
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: they can be in the gym, they can do all

1151
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 2: those things, and some guys just can't hit free throws.

1152
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: It's just the thing. So I would say this same

1153
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: thing is true for quarterbacks. Quarterbacks have different strengths and weaknesses.

1154
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: Some guys can dice up defenses underneath and they can

1155
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: take those profits, and they can just go right down

1156
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: the field and they can be consistent with their accuracy

1157
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: to matriculate the ball down the field on longer drives.

1158
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: Some guys, and I think Drake may is in this bucket,

1159
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: are better throwing the ball down the field intermediate and deep,

1160
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: and they aren't as good in the short game. So

1161
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: in this game, in the short game, Drake may was

1162
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: seven to thirteen on throws under ten yards. In this game,

1163
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: that's fifty three percent, almost fifty four to fifty three

1164
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: point eight. The league averaged since I started twenty twenty

1165
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: four on those throws is seventy six percent.

1166
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because he sailed some of them. Look, I

1167
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: think it goes beyond the fit in the offense.

1168
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: For me.

1169
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: Whatever offense you're in, these boom or bust quarterbacks, the

1170
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: book on every single one of them is going to

1171
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: be when they come in the NFL is going to

1172
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: be take away the deep stuff and force him to

1173
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: be patient and the ball down and take what's underneath

1174
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: and just wait and see if he gets impatient, makeshim

1175
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: say that was a book on Josh Allen for four years,

1176
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: right until he proved he could do that that one

1177
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: game here.

1178
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: And so whatever offense Drake.

1179
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: May was in, he was gonna have He's gonna have

1180
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: to hit those throws at some point because yes, he

1181
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: wants to throw the ball deep. The other team knows

1182
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: he wants to throw deep. They're gonna take that away.

1183
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: Regardless of the system. They're gonna take the deep ball

1184
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: away from Drake May until he proves he can Nicklin

1185
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: dime and dink is dunk, dink and dunk is way

1186
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: down the field. And then once you can do that, well,

1187
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: now teams are gonna start creeping up and now you

1188
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: can hit that deep ball behind him. They did it

1189
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: to Alan, they did it to Mahomes, They've done it

1190
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: to other quarterbacks who never proved they could do the

1191
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: dink and dunk thing. And we're just big armed quarterbacks

1192
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: and that's all they were. So not to dodge the question,

1193
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the system is what matters.

1194
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I hear it, I think it.

1195
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: But if you're playing, like if you're playing a team,

1196
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: and this is another thing that like I wish I

1197
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: had sort of had more space in that right up

1198
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: to talk about this. They're playing a team that is

1199
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: playing a lot of zone and they're playing you know what,

1200
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: because this is going to happen now like Vegas. Yeah,

1201
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: just put a blueprint out there for the rest of

1202
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: the NFL to your point, until he proves that he

1203
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: can just dink and dunk and take these profits. Not

1204
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: only does it limit the downfield throw ability if you

1205
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: play these zone coverages, it also limits his mobility because

1206
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 2: now you have eleven guys that have all their eyes

1207
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: on the quarterback. When you play scrambling quarterbacks, and I

1208
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: think this book is out from his rookie season, everybody

1209
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: knows that Drake may is a really good scrambler and

1210
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: a dynamic scrambler. So if you play man coverage, then

1211
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: you turn your back to the quarterback down the field

1212
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: and he's just going to take off running. And I

1213
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: think everybody knows that now. So if you play these

1214
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 2: teams that play cover two and cover three defense or quarters,

1215
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: and they're trying to keep everything in front of them,

1216
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: but also they're trying to limit him and put him

1217
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: in the pocket. Basically they're asking him to sit in

1218
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: the pocket and pick apart zone coverage and make consistent,

1219
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: accurate throws. It's the right way to approach it. That's

1220
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: that's the knock on him, Like that's the right that's

1221
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: the right game plan. So from a play calling perspective

1222
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: with McDaniels, just because they're sitting in two high and

1223
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: three high zone doesn't mean you can't push the ball

1224
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: down the field. You just need to time up your

1225
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: zone beaters and get routes to flood the zones down

1226
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: the field like they did do this in this game.

1227
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: A couple of times and they hit Hunter Henry on

1228
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: a post wheel. But Cover three post wheel right, you run,

1229
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: you run off the defender, you run the wheel route

1230
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: right into the boundary, into the sideline. You flood the zone.

1231
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: You know, they played Tampa two, they played Cover two.

1232
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: You have the hole shots on the sideline that he's

1233
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: great at throwing, by the way, like corner shots into

1234
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: the holes in the Cover two. Or you can split

1235
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: the safety up top, you know, run the seam and

1236
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: split the safeties. Like, there's ways to throw the football

1237
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: down the field against these zone coverages. And if you

1238
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: start doing that, then those windows underneath don't become as tight,

1239
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: right because now they have to back off, and now

1240
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: they have to you know, respect the deep ball. So they,

1241
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: in my opinion, they just need to be more vertical

1242
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: with how they're attacking things. And maybe that's not for

1243
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: a full game, Like maybe it's just a little bit,

1244
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: just enough to keep them honest, right, and then they

1245
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: go to something else. We should move off, Drake though

1246
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 2: we've talked enough about this. Who's your number two down here?

1247
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 4: Uh?

1248
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: Calev On Chase on Yeah, just you know, kind of

1249
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: the opposite of booty.

1250
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: Booty had a.

1251
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: Strong summer and everything you saw the summer from him,

1252
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: continued Caleb on, chase On kind of got a race

1253
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: in this game. Now he's going up against Colton Miller,

1254
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: who's a pretty good player. But I was hoping to

1255
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: see a little more from him. I think there were

1256
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: times where and on some of those blitzes in particular,

1257
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: where we talked about they didn't get home. Landry and

1258
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: Milton Williams collapse their side of the line, Barmore's getting doubled,

1259
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: but chase On couldn't complete collapsing the pocket and it

1260
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: allowed you know, Smith to have a little more time,

1261
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: a little more room to move.

1262
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: And maneuver and find windows.

1263
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: So I was hoping we get we get a little

1264
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: more from him, or honestly Keon White, who's held him

1265
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: at times and also didn't do much.

1266
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just thought we'd see more from them

1267
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: in this game, especially chase On, like Yins's former team,

1268
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: I thought we might see a little more from him. Yeah,

1269
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: I wonder what Chase On And this is just a theory,

1270
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: I because I didn't really notice him much on the

1271
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: on the review either. I thought he was pretty quiet

1272
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: in this game. I do wonder how much of that though,

1273
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: was like him maybe being the guy that was supposed

1274
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: to keep Gino in the pocket and maybe Milton Williams

1275
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: and Landry let those guys go eat. Now most of

1276
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: the time you think of that as armside rusher, which

1277
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: would have been Harold Landry. So to have the backside

1278
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: rusher be the one that is more like push the pocket,

1279
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: you know.

1280
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: Zero hour and then see where Gino likes to flip

1281
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: the shoulders and run.

1282
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe that was like just to maybe come

1283
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: up with a little bit of an excuse as to

1284
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: why calevon chase On was quiet in this game. My

1285
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: number two down was Christian Ellish gave up sixty nine

1286
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: yards and coverage six for sixty nine six for six

1287
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: for sixty nine yards. Three mistackles in this game as well,

1288
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: the role out played a Gino threw the ball back

1289
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: into the middle of the field. Even though the Dante

1290
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: Thornton play was kind of the one that gets highlighted,

1291
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: I thought that was really a big backbreaker in this

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01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: game as well. I just think that they need better

1293
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: from bolter linebackers. I thought Splain was good in the

1294
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: pass rush in this game, but I didn't think he

1295
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: was particularly great in coverage or in space either. They

1296
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: just need both those guys to play better in Christian Ellis,

1297
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: I do wonder, you know, we talk a lot about

1298
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: these holdovers, like Jabiel Peppers is no longer here, Anthony

1299
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: Jennings was inactive healthy scratch on Sunday in this game,

1300
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger doesn't really have much of a role played

1301
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: on this team now with Christian Ellis. I think he's

1302
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: a really good special teams player. He's a really good

1303
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: third linebacker if you want to play him in that role.

1304
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sold on him as a starting week

1305
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: side linebacker. And I wonder at what point, if this

1306
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: continues with Elis, do they give Marte Maphu a chance

1307
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: to play that spot. So he was number two for me?

1308
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: Who's uh, you're on three?

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01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 5: Right?

1310
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: Number three?

1311
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1312
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 2: I actually had four? Okay, good Jared Wilson just ye

1313
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: didn't I know?

1314
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: It kind of got worse late, but I didn't get

1315
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: much of a push in the run game, got beat

1316
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: up a little bit in the pass gamaged rough first

1317
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: game for the rookie.

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Yep, that's fair. How much more to that, Jalen Hawkins?

1319
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: So I have jail.

1320
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: I wanted it because you know, I have to be

1321
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: weird about it. I had Jalen Hawkins in his own category.

1322
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: So Jalen Hawkins was a hard one to put on

1323
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: this list. Jalen Hawkins could have been on both. He

1324
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: had a pick that was really Carlon Davis's play, but

1325
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: he made but he made me the play Johnny on

1326
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: the spot, I made to play. And he had a

1327
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 2: sack that was really good.

1328
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: A couple of the run stops at CFL again help

1329
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: with the line of scrimmage, which is not what you

1330
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: expect from him.

1331
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 5: Yep.

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: He also gave up a twenty six yard touchdown, and

1333
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: he gave up a thirty eight yard slant to two Bowers.

1334
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: The Slayer. I want to talk about though, because I

1335
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: I this is I was like weary of putting Jalen

1336
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 2: Hawkins on the downs the main and why is I like,

1337
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: why is Jalen Hawkins covering brought Bowers on a slant

1338
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: with no help? Like I just I don't think that's

1339
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: a great call. I don't think that's a great call.

1340
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: They need to figure out how they're gonna cover tight

1341
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: ends because I don't know if Woodson or Hawkins is

1342
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: really their answer for doing that. Maybe when Christian Gonzalez

1343
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: gets back. I'm hoping when Christian gets all Gonzales gets

1344
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: back Alex Austin that becomes his role is when you're

1345
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 2: facing a Bowers level tight end, like a guy that's

1346
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: that good, you put Alex Austin a better cover corner

1347
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 2: on him. Other than the safeties. I thought the safeties

1348
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 2: not so much Woodson, but Hawkins Pettis was on him

1349
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: and Bowers dropped it. But he had all sorts of

1350
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: space on a little shallow cross and beat del Pettis

1351
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: too much of the safeties in manton Man coverage in

1352
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: this game, for my liking, I thought they were leaving

1353
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: them out there to dry a little bit. So I

1354
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: had a tough time with Hawkins being on here. But

1355
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: two really big plays in this game. I think you

1356
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: could have put him on ups and down. Yeah, like

1357
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: it was. He had some very high highs and some

1358
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: very low low's. It was a weird game. It was

1359
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: an involved game for Jalen Hawkins. Yes, it was your

1360
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: last one special teams. Oh yeah, I knew you were

1361
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: gonna yeh. He had a missed field goal.

1362
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: Bryce Bearinger shanks a punt at the worst possible time,

1363
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: and we didn't even really get into the punt decision,

1364
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: whether or not you think it was right or wrong

1365
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: to punt there. I think we can all agree a

1366
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: shank is not good. Yeah, So just you know, Borgolis

1367
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: hit a couple more field goals after that, so it

1368
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: wasn't terrible. Antonio Gibson a big kick return, they wasted it.

1369
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: It went three and out, So it wasn't all terrible,

1370
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: But the mistakes came in big spots, which is why

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: I felt like I should put them on the list.

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01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 2: It was even I and you know, I'm not a

1373
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: special teams guy per se, and I kind of let

1374
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: that that's sort of your lane that I let you have.

1375
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: The Mike Rabel calling out the twenty one yard punt. Yeah,

1376
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: in the post game that was interesting, Like he doesn't

1377
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: normally just like single out specific guys for bad plays

1378
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: like that, and you went right at it. Didn't Bill

1379
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,479
Speaker 2: do that once? Yeah?

1380
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: I remember Bill doing that once and we were like, wow,

1381
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: we called out the punter.

1382
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: Twenty one yard punt not in a spot where they

1383
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: needed to flip the field was not good. It's a

1384
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: couple of penalties on special teams too. I thought they

1385
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: didn't really create a ton of room in the returns either,

1386
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: which I thought was going to be you know, Gibson

1387
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: had that one, the forty one yarder to start, which

1388
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: I thought was like, all right, well, this is what

1389
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: we saw in the preseason, like this is going to

1390
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: be a weapon for them. Didn't really get much else

1391
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: out of it, and then the missfield goal. It was

1392
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: it was not a good first first outing for special

1393
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: teams on a team that kind of needs to win.

1394
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the markets like they need to win on the

1395
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: on the margins.

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: All right, So that's the the Raiders recap producer Alex.

1397
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: Do we do we have to go to break here?

1398
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: Do we have to do a commercial breaker? H No,

1399
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: I cannot hear you. You can hear me, maybe possibly, No,

1400
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: we don't need to do one. Okay, all right, let's

1401
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: get to the calls and emails. I know you guys

1402
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: have been waiting for a long time. Here Sean is

1403
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

1404
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 6: Hello, guys, how you guys doing good? I want to

1405
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 6: touch on some of the things that uh like I

1406
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 6: would like to say, like some of the things you

1407
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 6: guys are saying like overrated when it comes like they're pressure,

1408
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,959
Speaker 6: because I feel like radically they got pressure, but they won't.

1409
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 6: They weren't consistent all games. That reason why Diino was

1410
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 6: very very comfortable back there when they delivered thros because

1411
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 6: I don't believe that the press was all that consistent.

1412
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 6: And then also when you look at the offense, because

1413
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 6: it may not be able to live with the ball

1414
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 6: with accuracy is the reason why the offense is suffered.

1415
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 6: So because you guys to make those throws with and

1416
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 6: seen the numbers, then teams are going to play him

1417
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 6: like the way they're gonna play him. You're gonna take

1418
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 6: away the deep ball. And so if you can't show

1419
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 6: the guy at least have of respectable past the game,

1420
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 6: the run is not going to work. So just you

1421
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 6: gotta get something for teams to respect and so that

1422
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 6: pass the game shows up, it's never going to work.

1423
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 6: That's all I have to say.

1424
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, those are two good points. I think we

1425
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: both kind of brought those points up that the blitzing

1426
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: worked and then it didn't. You know, it was very inconsistent.

1427
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: It was very boom robust, which in some respects tends

1428
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: to be the way it is when you blitz a lot,

1429
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: like you're not always going to get home. And then yeah,

1430
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: I think if you had to put the blame pie

1431
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: of the offense, I thought there were open receivers. I

1432
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: thought there was decent pass protection at time in this game.

1433
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: I think Drake was probably the biggest reason why they

1434
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: struggled in the second half in this game, which is

1435
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: is what it is.

1436
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: So again, what I thought was interesting about the blitz Like, again,

1437
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: you look at just where they ranked in the league,

1438
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: the percentage of where they got home was relatively high.

1439
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: Is I think fifty eight percent of their blitzes turned

1440
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: into pressure, not sacks, but pressure, which was top ten

1441
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: in the league. But if you they blitzed sixteen times.

1442
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: If you look at all the other teams that were

1443
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: in the top ten one blitz, I remember the exact teams.

1444
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't listened front of me.

1445
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: One blitz eleven, one blitz ten. Nobody else b blitz

1446
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: more than double digits. So, like, fifty eight percent is

1447
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: a good hit rate for a blitz, but it gets

1448
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: to the point where the volume starts to matter. Because

1449
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna use round numbers to make it easy

1450
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: Let's say you blitz eight times and you get home

1451
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: on half. That's four potential big plays you're giving up.

1452
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: Not great, but you can live. You should be able

1453
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: to live giving up four big plays. Take that same

1454
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: success rate of fifty percent, but apply it to a

1455
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: team that blitzes sixteen times like the Patriots did. Well,

1456
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: now you've given up eight big plays. You're still having

1457
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: the same amount of success with the blitz, but you've

1458
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: given up twice as many big plays. So the more

1459
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: you I don't know, I'm trying to figure out a

1460
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 1: way to make it not sound as obvious or maybe

1461
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: this is just a.

1462
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: Bad take by me because it is too obvious. But

1463
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: if you're gonna blitz that much, you have to be

1464
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: good at it.

1465
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you can't get by with an average success

1466
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: rate because the more you blitz, like that's more big

1467
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: plays are giving up, the more you're.

1468
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 2: Exposed on the backside. Thank you. It's the what I'm

1469
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 2: looking for so well. Because so this was another thing

1470
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: that we talked about yesterday. It was the third and

1471
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: twenty blitz at the end of the game. And I remember,

1472
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: you know, in twenty nineteen, and I said this yesterday.

1473
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but in twenty

1474
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 2: nineteen with the Boogeyman defense, I remember how much cover

1475
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 2: zero they were running. It was like all they were doing.

1476
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: That's Stefan Gilmour in his prime, defensive Player of the Year,

1477
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: Stefan Gilmore. They had a great secondary. They were just

1478
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 2: running cover zero, cover zero, cover zero all the time.

1479
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: And that's where the Seeing Ghost thing came from with

1480
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, like it was the whole thing. And I

1481
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 2: remember going into the locker room after the Seeing Ghosts

1482
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: game and I went to the McCarty's and I asked

1483
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: the McCarty twins, like, what what's it like playing defensive

1484
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: back when you're sending the house right and you're playing

1485
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: cover zero all the time, And both of them said,

1486
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: the most important thing is is that the pass rush

1487
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: better get the frick home because we're out. We're back there,

1488
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: and we are on islands and we are exposed. So

1489
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: if this pass rush and the ball doesn't come out

1490
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: quickly because of the pass rush, or they don't sack

1491
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: them or whatever, then we're screwed, Like we can't cover

1492
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: forever back here. And when I watched the third and

1493
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: twenty play. The fact that Dante Thornton can run a

1494
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: double move yet Carlton Davis to bite on it and

1495
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: then run down the field forty yards and Gino Smith

1496
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: is not on his butt is more indicative of the

1497
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: call and the lack of pressure than it is on

1498
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis. And then they sent seven on that plat.

1499
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 2: I argued with Paul and Fred about this because they

1500
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: told me that, you know, Carlton Davis can't get burned

1501
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: like that. Carlon Davis is sitting there expecting the ball

1502
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: to have to come out, like he's thinking that it's

1503
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,879
Speaker 2: cover zero and there's gonna be a ton of pressure

1504
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: and the ball is gonna come out quickly, and I'm

1505
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: gonna just jump this or I'm gonna, you know, make it.

1506
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: You know, he runs a hitch and he's probably thinking, oh,

1507
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 2: he's adjusting to the blitz and he's gonna run a

1508
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: hitch in front of me to give Gino a quick

1509
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 2: out out of the pressure. And then all of a

1510
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 2: sudden he's running by him and the pressure doesn't do

1511
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 2: its job. So if you're gonna blitz, you gotta get home,

1512
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 2: especially if you're gonna cover zero you got to get home.

1513
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely true. All right, Chris is in New Hampshire. What's up? Chris?

1514
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: Hey follows heavy one of day, Thank you too. Last

1515
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 4: year everything was like Drake's left foot forward and mechanics

1516
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 4: and mechanics and all this stuff. Is he getting that

1517
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 4: help this year? And who is the quarterbacks coach? And

1518
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 4: then my other question is how different is what Dabele

1519
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 4: does what Josh McDaniel does, because I think they both

1520
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 4: run the same AP style offense and I was kind

1521
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 4: of hoping to see McDaniels and Drake do what kind

1522
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 4: of Dable and Alan were doing when they were doing

1523
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 4: it together. Let's take the answer off air.

1524
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks Chris. It's a very good question about

1525
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: his footwork in mechanics and something that I maybe we'll

1526
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: get some answers about. We'll talk to Josh McDaniels tomorrow.

1527
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: We don't talk to the offensive coaches this week. We

1528
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: talked to them last week. Patriots quarterbacks coaches Ashton Grant.

1529
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: And when they hired Ashton Grant, Ashton Grant was actually

1530
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 2: in Cleveland in his past stop running the same system

1531
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: that AVP was running here last year. So the hope

1532
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 2: was is that some of these things like the left

1533
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 2: foot forward and the footwork stuff that AVP did with

1534
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 2: Drake would translate would continue into this system because of

1535
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: the Ashton Grant overlap there. It's a very fair question.

1536
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 2: I said it off the top of the show. To me,

1537
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: if Drake May falls apart mechanically and reverts back to

1538
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: the way that he was at North Carolina, that's as

1539
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: much of an indictment on the coaches as it is

1540
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 2: on him. Like it's their responsibility to make him fundamentally

1541
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: sound and keep him fundamentally sound. That is their job.

1542
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: That is why they are here now. I don't want

1543
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 2: to make it. I don't want to scapegoat Ashton Grant here.

1544
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: I want to be careful. Josh McDaniels is running Drake May.

1545
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: This is Josh McDaniels' job. This is his show. He's

1546
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks all the time. Josh McDaniels in the

1547
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: past has often been an offensive coordinator slash quarterbacks coach

1548
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 2: with the Patriots in other places. So don't pass the

1549
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: buck to Ashton Grant like this is who was it

1550
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: was it Steve Smith that like blamed Taekwon Underwood for

1551
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 2: like the Patriots receivers. Yeah, like, don't don't pass the

1552
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,480
Speaker 2: buck to the lieutenants. This is not the lieutenants problem.

1553
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 2: This is a Rabel Josh McDaniel's problem. This is high

1554
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: level stuff like the quarterback in the development of your

1555
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: second year quarterback is not on the position coach. I

1556
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 2: think that just in general, just a quick soapbox thing,

1557
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: like I think we blame the lieutenants way too much

1558
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: for things. A lot of those decisions are made way

1559
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: above their pay grade. It's like blaming middle management for

1560
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: CEO problems. And I don't want to escapegoat Ash and

1561
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 2: Grant by any means. Todd is in Gardner. What's up, Todd?

1562
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: Todd got you? All right? Todd call back in We

1563
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 2: We know you're listening. Bride is in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

1564
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 4: Hey, guys had under that good.

1565
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: Good?

1566
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

1567
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 3: I just had a couple observations and you know, questions too.

1568
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 3: And first of all, on the you know the question

1569
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: about the Davis play, I agree with. I used to

1570
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 3: play safety, so yeah, you're gonna bite on. You're going

1571
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 3: after the ball wherever it's you know, if the guy's

1572
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 3: making a move, you're making a move with him, you're

1573
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 3: and you're probably not thinking vertical route anyway, coach or player.

1574
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 3: So you know, so it was a good play call

1575
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 3: in bad corner play.

1576
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 7: That's just what a.

1577
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: Little bulls down to to me or whoever's guarding the guy.

1578
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, let's just hypothetically say that's Gonzales out there. Well,

1579
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 3: then I'm running that play a little bit more with

1580
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 3: him being that guy instead of David right, So that

1581
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: makes a difference too when you're run zero blitz and

1582
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: then at something. I'm wondering what you guys would think

1583
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 3: if we run the left against elite pass rushers more

1584
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: with will string versus you know, him having to neutral

1585
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 3: live a blocker or a rusher seventy five percent of

1586
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 3: the time running left against an elite pass rusher opposed

1587
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: to making them, you know, hold up the pass protection.

1588
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 3: What do you guys think about that? Thank you?

1589
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think there was something going on there

1590
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: with Campbell and Wilson and wanted to get them off

1591
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: the ball and into the game. Right. Like, if you

1592
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: run behind guys, offensive lineman will always tell you like

1593
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: they they want to run block. They don't want to

1594
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 2: pass block, they want to come off the ball, they

1595
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: want to hit some people, they want to get into

1596
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: the game physically. I talked to Jared Wilson on Friday

1597
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: of last week. That's exactly what he said to me.

1598
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: I was like, what what is you know? When will

1599
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: you know what will make you comfortable in this game?

1600
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, run, let's run the ball,

1601
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: let me hit some people, let me get off the football,

1602
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: get on a double team, move some bodies. They just

1603
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: weren't able to move the bodies like that. That that

1604
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: was all it really was. But I do think that

1605
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: there was some element of now, they didn't have to

1606
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: do it the whole time, like they could have mixed

1607
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: it up a little bit. But I think there was

1608
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: some element of let's get these rookies comfortable. Let's try

1609
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: to get them into some run game stuff. Let's run

1610
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: behind them, let's show some confidence in them in that

1611
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: way too, and you know, let's see where it goes.

1612
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 2: He brought up Campbell. We haven't really talked much about Campbell.

1613
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: I think that's a great thing that we haven't talked

1614
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: much about Campbell. If he had a terrible game, I

1615
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: think we'd be talking a lot more about Campbell. So

1616
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: I think that that's a really good sign. And I

1617
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 2: think that with Campbell specifically, what did you see in

1618
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: this game and what did because I thought that he

1619
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: the fall stars obviously can't happen, you know, he's got

1620
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: to cut down on those, that's a given. But in

1621
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: terms of the block to block execution, like how his

1622
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 2: actual blocking looked, I thought this was really promising stuff

1623
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: for him.

1624
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: I thought he was solid, you know, as a run blocker,

1625
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: I thought he was obviously didn't have a ton of

1626
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: success running the ball. He didn't have a ton of opportunities.

1627
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: I think he gave you a baseline. You know, him

1628
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: and Jared Wilson struggled on some double teams, struggled to

1629
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: get up to the second level at times. So that's

1630
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: something that they're going to need to build and you know,

1631
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: talking to David Andrews on Monday, kind of said, that's

1632
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: just something that's going to come with continuity. That's the

1633
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: five guys with the same set of eyes and maybe

1634
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: you're seeing the result of Jared Wilson missing that time

1635
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: at the end of camp Yeah, and them just need

1636
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: to get back on the same page. I thought as

1637
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: a pass blocker, he looked solid.

1638
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 2: I really do.

1639
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: I think that's more or less what I expected to

1640
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: get out of him. He's not Joe Thomas, right, but

1641
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was fine. I know he's getting tagged

1642
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: for two sacks. So the first one, to me, Drake

1643
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: May just steps up and.

1644
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 2: The pressure is caused by Crosby on the end.

1645
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: Rosby comes around, beats with Bradbury. I think Jared Wilson

1646
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: and Drake May steps up, and that's when where Drake

1647
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: May should probably flip the shoulders and peel out, but he.

1648
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,919
Speaker 2: Steps up on not on Campbell.

1649
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson's literally able to just disengage, turn to his left,

1650
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: and Drake May's right there. The second one is interesting

1651
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: if you go back and you watch that play, this

1652
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 1: is the strip sack. Campbell sets up pretty far inside Malcolm.

1653
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: He's expecting the chip, and you don't get much of

1654
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 1: a chip. Ramondrake kind of gives him one of like

1655
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: the elbows. It's not a full chip, it's not a

1656
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: full check and release. And look, we don't know the play,

1657
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: so maybe he wasn't supposed to do that, and he

1658
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: saw Campbell needed help and held up. But what I

1659
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: think is telling is I think he realizes he didn't

1660
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: help enough for Mondra because he turns back around and

1661
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: at one point him and Campbell are sandwiching Malcolm koons

1662
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: like remanderies behind him with his hands on the numbers

1663
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: on the back of his jersey. So you want to

1664
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 1: put that one half on Campbell, I guess, But I

1665
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: think he.

1666
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: Was supposed to get help their didn't get help.

1667
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: It again, I don't want to give away the whole

1668
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: podcast if people want to go back and listen. On

1669
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: the Sports of YouTube page, David Andrews pointed out something

1670
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: really interesting. So when Trent Brown was on, when Trent

1671
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: Brown was that guy in twenty eighteen, right, he didn't

1672
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: want help because and this is just what Andrews, right,

1673
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: you have a plan for how you're going to attack

1674
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: the guy, and you want to attack him. And now,

1675
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: if you're expecting help, you're gonna set up differently. But

1676
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: if the help doesn't come right or whatever.

1677
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: And a lot of guys say that they get thrown

1678
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,879
Speaker 2: off by chips because you're you're set inside, you're expecting

1679
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,919
Speaker 2: the chips. Sometimes the chip can actually push the defender

1680
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: so far to the inside that you get beat inside.

1681
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: Other times, the Chipchael on the strip sack, the trip

1682
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: isn't his chip isn't fully there, and so then you

1683
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 2: get beat to your edge. There's a lot of tackles

1684
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 2: that would prefer to not deal with chips.

1685
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, and so look, I don't we kind of

1686
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: spent all summer saying they're going to have to help

1687
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: out Will Campbell, and I don't think that's incorrect, but

1688
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: there's going to be a line there, right, And.

1689
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

1690
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: If you get that game from Will Campbell for seventeen games, great,

1691
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: like the blocking, the penalties, like you said, like that

1692
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: can't happen. He did have a little bit of a

1693
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: penalty problem last year at LSU. That was my bigger

1694
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: knock on him, frankly than the arm length was there

1695
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: was an uptick in penalties last year. And you can't be,

1696
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 1: especially at home, you can't be committing false starts.

1697
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would like to see him, you know,

1698
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: obviously the whole unit. But right, he's a better run

1699
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 2: blocker than he showed up, so he's got to improve there.

1700
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: I think him and.

1701
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: Wilson getting more chemistry in that regard will help. But

1702
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: like more or less, if that's the game he get

1703
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: from him, especially as a pass.

1704
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean three, I had him with three pressures on

1705
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 2: fifty three dropout, which is not bad at all. So

1706
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: that's not bad at all. You gotta kind of put

1707
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 2: player no, and you gotta you kind of have to

1708
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: put the strip sack on him like it's his guy.

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Speaker 1: Like I, yes, he's suspecting the chick. It's on him

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Speaker 1: that it's his guy. We can give we can give

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman half a sack.

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Speaker 2: I think I don't like half sacks. I'm not a

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Speaker 2: believer in that.

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Speaker 1: All right, But if we're gonna give it a defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: like I think it's half, it's half on him because

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Speaker 1: you do want your fourth overall pick to recover better

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Speaker 1: when the chick's not there. But he was expecting No,

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of mistake that like if he if

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Speaker 1: that happens in December, I'll hold it against him a

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Speaker 1: lot more than happening in his first NFL start.

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Speaker 2: I like how you're doing this podcast with David Andrews

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Speaker 1: I was always interested, but now I just feel that's

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Speaker 1: your No, what don't say it was never interesting?

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Speaker 2: let's take Mark in Connecticut's call, and then we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk dolphins. Mark, what's going on?

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Speaker 11: Hey guys, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Evin?

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Speaker 11: I tried to get a hold of you guys yesterday,

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01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,520
Speaker 11: but you guys were pretty jamming there at Patriots unfieldered

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Speaker 11: so what my couple of questions were? And I didn't

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01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 11: know if we could go back and forth a little

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Speaker 11: bit instead of hanging up. But sure, Jack Westover got

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Speaker 11: moved to fullback.

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Speaker 5: I was at the game. I don't think I saw

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Speaker 5: him take a snap at full back, and I really

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01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 5: wanted him to be a fullback and to open up

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01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 5: the gap because as you saw, there was no gaps

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01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 5: open at all. To run it up to guy like

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 5: there was absolutely nothing. And then my other take was

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 5: Jayjon Boody, I think you guys are forgetting he should

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Speaker 5: have been a first round pick. I think his first

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01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 5: year at LSU he went off for some crazy amount

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01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 5: of yards and reception, and I think we might be

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01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 5: looking at first year lsu k Shawn Booty Reborn. So

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01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 5: what do you guys think of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call. Mark. I would say that

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,480
Speaker 2: with the full back, Jack west Ever played two snaps

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01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: in this game, and I thought both times it didn't

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01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 2: go well, and I think they kind of were like, well,

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01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: if we can't get the first level blocked, then there's

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01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 2: no point of having a full back because he's not

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01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 2: getting to the block that he needs to get to anyways.

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01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 2: So it really just is another body just mucking things up,

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01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: and so I think they kind of went away from that.

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01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 2: He had one play in particular that was just kind

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01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 2: of like a lead and Garrett Bradbury gets beat on

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01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. So Jack Westover has to just

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 2: take Garrett Bradbury's guy and now Devin White, the linebacker

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01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: is unblocked anyways, and so Devin White just crashes down

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01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,839
Speaker 2: and makes the taggle. You know, if you're not getting

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01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: up to that next level of the defense, then there's

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01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: it kind of ruins the point of the fullback, if

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01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Uh, his booty take. Yes, we Hey, look,

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01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about booting the draft and for

1838
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: some reason, Alex, we are, especially me, are getting labeled

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01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: booty haters, like we all of a sudden hate Kai

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01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 2: Shan Boody. H. I think it's great what Kay Shan

1841
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: body has done. He's developed, he's gotten better and better

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01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 2: with each season. Uh. He his first season at LSU,

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01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: he was really, uh explosive, he was he was an

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01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,520
Speaker 2: explosive athlete. I think he's become more technically savvy and stronger.

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01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: I don't see necessarily that uh you know, breakaway speed

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01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: like I always remember at LSU, like him catching that

1847
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 2: slant against was it like old miss or Mississippi State? Yeah,

1848
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: and just gone to the house, right. I don't know

1849
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 2: if that's Kai Shan Boody's game anymore. But he's evolved

1850
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 2: and he's gotten better and better. I think it's great

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01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: what he's done, and he's really deserves a ton of

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01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: credit for it, and frankly a ton of credit for

1853
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: it during a timeframe where not a lot of other

1854
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: receivers have developed here. So he's kind of done it.

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01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: No offense to the coaching staff. He's kind of done

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01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 2: it on his own.

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01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: He's done it over over multiple coaching staff Yeah, you know,

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01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: multiple coaches, So.

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01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 2: You know he's been he's been like, Yeah, I was

1860
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: out on him for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He ran like a would he run it like a

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01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: four to eight?

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01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: And no, I wasn't that bad. It was like a

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Speaker 2: four or five.

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Speaker 1: I wish I knew he ran it bad. Ankle, Yeah,

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01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: that was context.

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01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: That would would have been good.

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01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: We didn't find that out till after the draft. But

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01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 1: he's always at I've said this, he's always at talent.

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01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: I've never denied he has talent. It was consistency. He

1871
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: just needed to be able to go out there weekend

1872
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: and week out and do it and look, it's just

1873
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: one game, so we'll see.

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01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: But that was my big thing with me camp.

1875
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: This was the best camp he's had because he was

1876
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: showing up every single day and we weren't going three,

1877
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: four five days without a catch the way he had

1878
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: the previous couple of years. So if he can be

1879
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: more consistent, the talent's there. You just can't have a

1880
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: guy out there that you can't count on week to week.

1881
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: And maybe some people would disagree, this is a me thing,

1882
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm general lower on George Pickens than most people.

1883
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: George Pickens is like the extreme idea of this or

1884
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis, where you know they'll have a thousand yard seasons,

1885
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: seven hundred of the yards come in four games. And

1886
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's bad, but especially on a

1887
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: team that doesn't like those guys are really good number

1888
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: twos because you can't rely on them every week and

1889
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: you need somebody you rely on, and your offense can't

1890
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: bank on a guy like that. I'm not saying this

1891
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: offense needs a bank on Kaishan Booty, but that's just

1892
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: always been my opinion. Give me the guy that puts

1893
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 1: up a thousand yards in a season but is more

1894
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: or less giving you the same thing every week over

1895
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: the guy that puts up eleven or twelve hundred yards

1896
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: in a season, but it's all in like five games

1897
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: and then he just disappears in the rest of it.

1898
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I unless you're a team that has a ton of

1899
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: talent around him, like that guy needs to be a

1900
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: complimentary piece. That guy can't be a main part of

1901
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: your offense. And right now, Kaishan Boody looks a lot

1902
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 1: more consistent, and so if he's gonna look this consistent,

1903
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: he is talented and he should have a bigger role.

1904
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 2: So I I want to continue to preface this by

1905
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: saying this is not a knock on kish On Booty.

1906
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 2: My only take on kish On Booty that might not

1907
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: be the most positive thing that I could possibly say,

1908
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: is I'm just not sure that it's he's a number

1909
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: one receiver, and if he's your best receiver or your

1910
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 2: more most productive receiver, then I don't know if that

1911
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: means that you have a great passing offense. That's not like,

1912
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: that's not his fault, like it's not it's not I'm

1913
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 2: not taking shots at him. Like he's developed, he's gotten

1914
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 2: better and better, he's gotten more consistent, to your point,

1915
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 2: and he has now made himself a viable NFL wide receiver.

1916
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 2: But they need guys that make him more of a

1917
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: complimentary piece than the focal point of the offense. I

1918
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 2: just don't see number one receiver ability. And if that

1919
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna take that as me crapping on the guy,

1920
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 2: then I guess that's how you're gonna take it. But

1921
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. They have a receiver that can

1922
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 2: play in Kai Shan Boody. That's good. Once Diggs gets

1923
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 2: more comfortable and gets his knee back to one hundred

1924
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: and ten percent and gets that game speed back up.

1925
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's to Fon Diggs is the number one receiver

1926
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 2: that we hoped he was when they assigned him, and

1927
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 2: now Kaishan Boody is like a complimentary or number two

1928
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 2: receivers Tofawon Diggs, and now you're cooking with something. Now

1929
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: there's something that you got going on. Or if it

1930
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: doesn't happen for Diggs, it's next offseason. It's a it's

1931
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 2: a high priority, and you go out and you get

1932
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 2: a true number one guy and you make Kaishan Boody

1933
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 2: a number two or a number three receiver, and now

1934
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 2: you have depth. Now you have a good receiver room.

1935
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 2: That's the hope. There's not a knock on Kaishan Boody.

1936
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 2: That's just the roster and the talent on the roster.

1937
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 2: The other receiver thing that we're getting a ton of

1938
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 2: questions about alex is Kyle Williams and did not play

1939
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: much in this game. Did have one catch and that

1940
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: hurry up two minute towards the end of the game

1941
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: where I thought he ran a nice route, ran a

1942
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 2: nice comeback. You kind of got the corner out, got

1943
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 2: up to top speed, sat the route down, I ran

1944
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 2: the corner off a little bit and craved that underneath separation.

1945
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of conversations about Matt Collins' performance in

1946
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: this game, obviously to Mario Douglas's performance in this game.

1947
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Would you like to see more Kyle Williams in week two?

1948
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think they need that speed. Who

1949
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: do you put him on the field for. I know

1950
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people probably want pop.

1951
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 2: Douglas off the field.

1952
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: I think that there was more there that he could

1953
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: have done that. I think the Raiders were sitting on

1954
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: him at times and take him away. I think Drake

1955
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: may missed him at times. You know, Diggs game, what

1956
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: do you make of that first game back off the ACL.

1957
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: It obviously wasn't a massive game, but I think it

1958
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: was probably a bit of a feeling out process.

1959
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was good enough from Diggs. I thought

1960
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: it was good enough.

1961
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: So like I would go to a rotation between those

1962
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: three guys probably, I don't think you're putting Kyle Williams

1963
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: on the field for someone. I take a few snaps

1964
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: from Digs, few snaps from Douglas, and get Kyle Williams

1965
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, I'd like see more.

1966
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: They need a speed, they need his ability after the

1967
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 2: catch and just see.

1968
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: They can't bury another receiver. They can't do another year

1969
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: of its Week eight until even see the draft pick receiver.

1970
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think the speed is the number one thing.

1971
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 2: They need somebody with some vertical juice and the ability

1972
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: to win with speed on the outside. And that's Kyle

1973
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: Williams's game. That's why he's here, that's why they drafted him.

1974
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 2: So I would like to see it. It doesn't have

1975
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 2: to be a huge package of plays. He doesn't have

1976
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 2: to go out there and play seventy snaps on Sunday,

1977
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 2: but maybe you give him twenty to twenty five snaps

1978
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 2: instead of what I think he had a handful in

1979
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 2: this game, and he really only got him I think

1980
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 2: because Booty got hurt. Yeah, and allow him to play

1981
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I would really like to see

1982
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: that on Sunday. Trying to look up his snapcount real quick. Yeah,

1983
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: he played seven. I thought I was gonna say seven,

1984
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 2: but I wasn't a hundred percent sure he played seven

1985
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 2: in this game. I think if you get that to

1986
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 2: twenty and you just give him a few more routes

1987
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 2: and get more off opportunities. That would be a good

1988
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 2: thing with Pop. I thought that Pop he had to drop.

1989
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 2: And I saw this a little bit on the preseason

1990
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 2: tape after the one in Minnesota that Drake airmailed over

1991
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: his head. I thought there were opportunities for Pop in

1992
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 2: this game. I thought he got opened a couple of

1993
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 2: times underneath the defense. And we've already we've already nitpicked

1994
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: Drake enough about the short game and the short passing.

1995
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: But my developing theory back in the preseason, and I

1996
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: continue to have this developing theory, is Pop Douglas a

1997
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 2: five foot eight slot receiver that doesn't have a large

1998
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 2: catch radius. I don't think that this is an issue

1999
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 2: of like Pop Douglas wasn't sitting properly against zones and

2000
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I don't think that's what was happening.

2001
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 2: It's not Pop Douglas's fault that he gets open on

2002
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 2: the first third down of the game and Drake throws

2003
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 2: a ten yards over his head right like that. That's

2004
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: not the receiver's fault. He was open, he ran the

2005
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 2: right route, he was in the right place. It just

2006
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,600
Speaker 2: he missed the throw. He missed the row, he was

2007
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 2: opened twice. He caught the touchdown to play before that.

2008
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 2: He was also open again on the crosser and Drake

2009
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 2: missed him. He just didn't make a great throw. So

2010
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 2: I get the stat line looks bad, but I would

2011
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 2: just say with Pop, I did not think, because I

2012
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 2: see that I'm seeing this a ton that he's not

2013
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 2: sitting in zone and this is a big conversation with

2014
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: him now that I not to like toot my own horner,

2015
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 2: like go on an ego trip here for a second.

2016
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 2: I feel like partially responsible for because I feel like

2017
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 2: we brought that. We bring this up a lot on

2018
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 2: this show. This is the type of stuff we talk

2019
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: about a lot on this show. I don't think that

2020
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: that was the issue on Sunday. I think the issue

2021
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 2: on Sunday was he had a bad drop. Yep, Drake

2022
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 2: missed him a couple of times, and it just didn't

2023
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 2: go well. They just couldn't get on the same page.

2024
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 2: They couldn't get on the same page. They when Pop

2025
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 2: was opened, Drake missed him, When Pop, when Drake hit him,

2026
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 2: Pop dropped it right, And it was so that sort

2027
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 2: of thing. So I'll give it a little bit more time.

2028
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 2: Before we start. I know there's already calls for afting

2029
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 2: chain and give it a little bit more.

2030
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: You gotta get Kyle Williams on the field first before

2031
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 1: fton Chism. Like that's well, we'll we'll get there with

2032
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 1: fton chism. Kyle Williams was first of all higher, he

2033
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 1: was a draft pick. Chism wasn't drafted.

2034
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he brings straight line speed that Chism doesn't give

2035
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 2: you that you need you gotta get. You gotta figure

2036
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 2: it out first Kyle.

2037
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: Williams, and then you can figure out afton Chism.

2038
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2039
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 2: Last thing on pop the the working theory, the catch

2040
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 2: radious thing I think might be at play here, and

2041
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: I highly doubt that that Drake may whatever admit to it,

2042
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 2: and he shouldn't. But when you don't have great accuracy

2043
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 2: throw to throw, and then you're throwing to you know,

2044
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 2: in a small pocket in zone coverage and you have

2045
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 2: to hit a five foot eight slot receiver that's moving

2046
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 2: across the field, that has to be a pinpoint accurate throw.

2047
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 2: If it's a little behind, if it's a little high,

2048
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:55,759
Speaker 2: that's a pick.

2049
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: So do you worry about that at all? With Kyle Williams,

2050
01:35:58,080 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: tho Kyle Williams. I mean he's not as small as piece.

2051
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, not as much because I think of where he's

2052
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 2: going to be targeted, Like I think Pop is running

2053
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 2: over the middle of the feat do you worry about

2054
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 2: with Chisholm. Not as much because he's bigger. Is he

2055
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: how much bigger? It's five ten five eleven, I mean

2056
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: it's yeah, two and a half inches taller is not nothing.

2057
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 2: But I'm not with you. I'm not there yet. I'm

2058
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 2: not I'm not on twosm Island yet. I'm not We're

2059
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 2: not going there yet. But I do think that the

2060
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 2: catch radius thing is something to think about, something to monitor.

2061
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 2: Is just does is it better off in the long

2062
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 2: term for Drake made to have receivers like at least

2063
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 2: like a Kaishan booty type, you know, that has a

2064
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 2: bigger frame and has a bigger catch radius. That's why

2065
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 2: I don't want to give up on mac Collins either,

2066
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 2: because I think that that's a perfect type of receiver

2067
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 2: for Drake. If Mac Collins can get his game going,

2068
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 2: it's a really good fit from a six foot four

2069
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 2: big target. Like we see how how comfortable he is

2070
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 2: throwing a hunter Henry, you know, It's just I think

2071
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: it's a catch radius thing I do. Dolphins. I keep

2072
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 2: saying it, Dolphins, Dolphins, Dolphins were talking about the Dolphins

2073
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,560
Speaker 2: this game on Sunday. To me, I don't think the

2074
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 2: Patriots are good enough to call it a trap game,

2075
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,719
Speaker 2: but it's kind of one of those trappy games because

2076
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 2: I keep hearing about how and I know this is

2077
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 2: your boy, McDaniel. I know you are loving the fact that.

2078
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how he's a bad head coach

2079
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: yet or do we still have to wait?

2080
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 2: Because he look at all the motion? The motion's fun?

2081
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: Is it fun getting your doors blown off by a team?

2082
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 1: Get the first overall pick and the Colts.

2083
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: No, the Colts might be better than me think. I

2084
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 2: don't think so. I can't sit here though, and say, well,

2085
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,839
Speaker 2: the Dolphins are imploding like this should be. The Patriots

2086
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,360
Speaker 2: would win this game. The Patriot Dolphins. They might be,

2087
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 2: but the Patriots have never beaten to a No. They

2088
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 2: haven't won him down in Miami since twenty nineteen. That

2089
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: was Tom Brady was the quarterback of the Patriots. The

2090
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 2: last time they beat the Miami Dolphins in Miami. Antonio

2091
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 2: Brown was catching passes from Tom Brady. The last time

2092
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots beat the Miami Dolphins in Miami, they've never

2093
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 2: solved Tua. Now it's a different coaching staff, different defense.

2094
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 2: I do think the defense that they're running now has

2095
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 2: a better chance against Tua because it's not the bigger

2096
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 2: linebackers that are, you know, clunky in space, and they're

2097
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 2: not going to use their team speed to stretch a Maut. Well,

2098
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 2: they'll try, but maybe they won't be as effective at

2099
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 2: doing that, but you can. If you want to take

2100
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 2: your McDaniel victory lap, I'll let you do it. But

2101
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: in my mind, I'm throwing out week one for Miami,

2102
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 2: and I'm going off the history, like seven to zero

2103
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 2: against the Patriots for Tua they had, the Patriots have

2104
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 2: never played well down in Miami. I can't imagine sitting

2105
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 2: here and having a ton of confidence about the Patriots

2106
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: going down in Miami this week.

2107
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: So I'll just say this about the Patriots having never

2108
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: beat Tua, I do put and I don't know, Evan,

2109
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: you can tell me if I'm allowed to put this

2110
01:38:56,200 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: asterisk on this. It might be the Patriots have never

2111
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 1: beat two. I don't think it's about Tua. I think

2112
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: it's about the Dolphins defense. I know you keep saying,

2113
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 1: so just just real quick, just real quick. Outside of

2114
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: last year, which was obviously a mess, right, they just

2115
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 1: weren't good last year. The points the Dolphins have scored,

2116
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: the two was put up against the Patriots twenty four

2117
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 1: to twenty thirty three. That was in Miami, twenty two,

2118
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 1: and I think there's a couple defensive touchdowns in there. Yeah,

2119
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: seventeen to twenty two. He's never out Before last year,

2120
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: he had never thrown multiple touchdowns in a game.

2121
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 2: Right, But it's the official against the Patriots actially the game.

2122
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 1: It's the efficiency, but like, yeah, it's efficiency because the Patriots.

2123
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 2: So here's the Patriots scoring totals. They were not competitive

2124
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 2: in those two games with him last year.

2125
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I just listen, here's Patriots scoring totals fifteen seventeen, seventeen seven,

2126
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: twenty four, sixteen twelve. He's just not screwing up. He's

2127
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 1: it's not like he's out here dicing the Patriots up.

2128
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: He's not screwing up. I think he was dicing the

2129
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 1: Patriots up. Not People are acting like he's thrown for

2130
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: five hundred yards against them.

2131
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 2: But it's not about the yards it's about the efficiency

2132
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:01,799
Speaker 2: and it's about.

2133
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: This is my point, because he can play that way

2134
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: because the Patriots defense, the Patriots offense has The Dolphins

2135
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: have done more damage defensively to the Patriots, and they

2136
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: have offensively. Again, they've broken twenty once. Right, but against Miami.

2137
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 2: You're not going to get into a track meet with

2138
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 2: Miami and try to outscore the Dolphins. No, but you

2139
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 2: have not gonna win game. You have to score.

2140
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: They're just making them entirely too comfortable. The bigger issue

2141
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: for the Patriots again, this is not like two has

2142
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 1: been good. This is not to say hasn't. I just

2143
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: think this thing gets miscast. I think the bigger issue

2144
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins has been the offense, not the defense.

2145
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 1: Going back to twenty twenty, I think it's that they

2146
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,759
Speaker 1: can't do anything. Now they had some really good defensive

2147
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: coordinators there. Defensive head coaches was Flores and then it

2148
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: was it's Fangio, right was there whom my third year

2149
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: per year? And now the defense might be better, Right

2150
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: now the defense might be bad. So they got a score.

2151
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,599
Speaker 1: They've got a score against my I get you don't

2152
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: want to get into a track meet with him. Although

2153
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little less scared of that this year. When

2154
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: you look at what the Patriots defensive line did and

2155
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: when you look at what my off Miami's offensive line

2156
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: is going to be in this game, I think they're

2157
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,759
Speaker 1: going to be starting a career right career college right tackle.

2158
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how many NFL games he's played at

2159
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: right guard this week, if I saw that correctly.

2160
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Keon something or other, Keon Smith or the.

2161
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Patriots should be able to disrupt the Miami offense more. Sorry,

2162
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: they they have to the games in Miami. They've only

2163
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: actually played to uh twice in Miami.

2164
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's twice last week in that game and

2165
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 2: we trunk. He didn't play in the first game. He

2166
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 2: was hurt. Right, eighty second percentile EPA per play to

2167
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 2: eighty second percent times. I'm not good with percentiles. You want, yeah,

2168
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: you want it to be closer to one hundred. He

2169
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 2: was good last week. You know this is last year

2170
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 2: against the Patriots. Okay, twelve last year against the patrik Yes,

2171
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:56,719
Speaker 2: you're eighty sec point plus zero point three to two

2172
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 2: EPA per play like he he was? Does them up?

2173
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're.

2174
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: Talking about, right, and I even said last year, last year,

2175
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: they were bad. They've they've scored more than seventeen points once. Evan,

2176
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 1: regardless of what to it does, can't score. But in

2177
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: seventeen points.

2178
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 2: Going to get a problem sometimes with points allowed and

2179
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 2: things like that. Like it's about the way the game

2180
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 2: goes right, like Miami is is just they have not

2181
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 2: stopped to him. I'm not like the game before that

2182
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 2: that they played to a week two. Remember that game

2183
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 2: here Gonzo had the pick. Yeah, it was one of

2184
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 2: his first signature plays. Seventy ninth percentile EPA per play,

2185
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Like they just I don't think that they've done a

2186
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 2: lot of good things against Tua, and I think that

2187
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 2: it's more recent like when he was early on in

2188
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 2: his career. I probably am with you that early on

2189
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 2: in his career.

2190
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: So last year's team that was not good in any facet,

2191
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: I will get it.

2192
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: Yes he turned it on twenty three, Like I can

2193
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 2: keep going back, But they like to two has had

2194
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: a lot of success against them.

2195
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: He has, but they've also allowed him to get very

2196
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: comfortable because the offense is a non factor. So the

2197
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: offense is not.

2198
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 2: A threat they when you play to how we're.

2199
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: On the opposite side of this, Like usually it's me

2200
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: arguing no defense matters, and you're the ones saying, just

2201
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: score all the points and who cares what.

2202
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 2: It does, because I think that depends on the game,

2203
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 2: on the team that you're playing. Oh so now you

2204
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: want to add context. I don't think that this is

2205
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 2: so the opposite where we u. I do not think

2206
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: that you can get into a track meet with the Dolphins.

2207
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: You can't get into a track meet, but you have

2208
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 1: to score. Scoring more than seventeen points is not a

2209
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 1: track meet.

2210
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah you're okay, thank you, but you can't like you can't.

2211
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 1: They can't score board seventeen points on them.

2212
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 2: Okay, but you can't sit here and say that Tua

2213
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 2: hasn't played well against the Patriots.

2214
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: No, I never said that, but I just view it

2215
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,719
Speaker 1: as the bigger issue. They're both issues. They've sucked against

2216
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: the Dolphins on both sides of the ball.

2217
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 2: I think Miami's team's speed has overwhelmed them every single

2218
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 2: time they play since since Ta McDaniel and Tyree kill

2219
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 2: have gotten there. I think that they've been non competitive

2220
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:54,520
Speaker 2: against their speed.

2221
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 1: Their inability to do anything offensively, and those games gets

2222
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: underrated because everybody looks.

2223
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 2: At what Tua did, and I don't know.

2224
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: People want to take a victory lap on to a

2225
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 1: being good against the Patriots? Would I I don't get it, like, yeah,

2226
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: Bill never beat him. Sure, there's people that want to

2227
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: take a victory lap on that that's not.

2228
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 2: The whole story.

2229
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: That that that's ignoring a whole chunk of what's going on.

2230
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: That's been the issue. They have not been able to

2231
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: crack Miami's defense in years. And even if they do

2232
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 1: a little bit better of a job on Tua, you're

2233
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 1: not gonna beat this team scoring again twelve sixteen, twenty four, seven,

2234
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:30,719
Speaker 1: seventeen fifes.

2235
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna be anybody doing that right, and

2236
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 2: that's why they haven't one.

2237
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: But why do we just ignore it against the Dolphins?

2238
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: It matters again everybody else against the dog. That's what

2239
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: you're doing by just say to all I've heard this

2240
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 1: week is to it to it?

2241
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 2: Can the Patriots?

2242
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 7: Can?

2243
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: We ask the Patriots to score points against him, and

2244
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: we can drive. But the thing that he gets he

2245
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 1: can take the easy read every time. And yes, he's

2246
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: been incredibly efficient because he doesn't have to take any

2247
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 1: risks because he knows that if he puts up twenty points,

2248
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: they're gonna win the game. Put a little pressure on

2249
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 1: him score some points. I'm not saying getting a track, which.

2250
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 2: We love, got for them to score some points. I

2251
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 2: just don't know if they can. Like I, this is

2252
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 2: what I've been does. This is why I've been so down.

2253
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 2: It does because if they're going to score thirteen points

2254
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 2: a game, then they're not going anywhere. We all know that,

2255
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: and you know what they're reality. They should be better. Yes,

2256
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 2: they have to score.

2257
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: They should have been better against in this game because

2258
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 1: the line sucks. Who knows what's where Tyreek Hills at

2259
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 1: like they should the.

2260
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Coach who knows the going get it. This is God,

2261
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 2: this is the game. This has got to be it.

2262
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: But even with all that, they have to score more

2263
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: than seventeen points.

2264
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 2: Probably do it. Thank you that that's a that's a

2265
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 2: bold take by you, that they have to score seventeen points.

2266
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 1: He has apparently been single handedly been beating the patrols,

2267
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: he's blocking, he's catching.

2268
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 2: You watch this game like when you watched that game

2269
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 2: last year down in Miami. Do you think they were

2270
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 2: competitive against Miami's offense?

2271
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 1: No, but there I honestly don't really remember that much

2272
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 1: about that game.

2273
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 2: I was going to watch it today. But like it

2274
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: was like early on in that game, like they it

2275
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 2: was not campetitive, they were getting they were runs together

2276
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 2: for me at this time, Okay, let's move on and

2277
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 2: off of Tua first. In this capacity, we're gonna go,

2278
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna agree to this. Ignore the fact that their offense.

2279
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 2: Their offense has been bad for two years, really three years.

2280
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 2: We know that, we know that their offens been bad.

2281
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

2282
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 2: The The key to Tua to me is taking away

2283
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. He loves throwing those in

2284
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 2: breaking routes. That's what kills the Patriots because their linebackers

2285
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 2: and safeties have not been great cover players over the

2286
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 2: last handful of years. That's you, it's a bad matchup, right,

2287
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 2: Like it's tuas really good at attacking between the numbers

2288
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 2: on those inbreaking routes. You know, the slants, the crossers.

2289
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 2: Like you, We've seen it in a million times. It's

2290
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: Tyree Kill and Jaylen Waddle coming running across the field

2291
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 2: against a Patriot linebacker safety and it's not it's not close,

2292
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 2: it's not competitive. So taking away the middle of the field,

2293
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 2: and he is a rhythmic passer. He's a time rhythmic passer.

2294
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 2: So you've got to get pressure on him. They hit

2295
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 2: him and you got to move him off his spot,

2296
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 2: and you got it. The whole offense, from the motion,

2297
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 2: to all of the routes that they like to run from,

2298
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 2: the inbreaking stuff, from the anticipation he likes to throw to,

2299
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 2: the entire offense is predicated on timing. Is a timing

2300
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 2: based game for them. That's what they're a West Coast offense.

2301
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 2: That's true for most West Coast offenses, but it's even

2302
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 2: more true for Miami. So the best way to throw

2303
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 2: off their timing and their rhythm is to get to

2304
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 2: an office spot. You gotta move them, You got to

2305
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,799
Speaker 2: hit them, you got to get make him hold of football,

2306
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,719
Speaker 2: because what they've had issues with in the past, especially

2307
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 2: on early downs against Tua, is that he just gets

2308
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,679
Speaker 2: rid of the ball so dang quickly that they can't

2309
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 2: get to him and he's just dicing them up in

2310
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,719
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. So Raybell had some success

2311
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen or twenty twenty three, I should say,

2312
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: as a Titans head coach against Tua, a lot of

2313
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 2: too high coverage a lot of Tampa too, with that

2314
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 2: whole player just sitting in the slant and dig window

2315
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 2: just waiting for him to throw that ball and just

2316
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 2: allowing you know, the pass rush some time and making

2317
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 2: them hold it on the other side of the ball.

2318
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 2: For the Patriots with Drake May against this defense, the

2319
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,759
Speaker 2: Miami secondary is in hell like they are decimated by injuries.

2320
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 2: Jack Jones right now is probably their best and number

2321
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 2: one corner, which kind of tells you where they are

2322
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 2: from a defense perspective. Minca is still back there, but

2323
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 2: the rest of the secondary is really I mean, Daniel

2324
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 2: Jones looked like he was Tom Brady on Sunday in Indianapolis.

2325
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,680
Speaker 2: That being said, they have a good front, they have

2326
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 2: a good pass rush package. Past pass rush package, it's

2327
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 2: hard to say they have a good front and pass

2328
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 2: rush package. That's what beat the Patriots last year in

2329
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 2: Week twelve, and Drake starred against them. Anthony Weaver coming

2330
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 2: it came after him, He blitzed him a time, a

2331
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 2: lot of different types of Britz pressure. That was a

2332
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 2: big problem for them in that game. So being ready

2333
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 2: for that, obviously, Bradley Chubb coming off the injuries not

2334
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 2: quite the same guy right now, but Bradley Chubb, Jalen Phillips,

2335
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 2: Zack Sealer. They have a good front seven, they have

2336
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:05,759
Speaker 2: a good pass rush. So in this game, you gotta

2337
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 2: try to figure out ways to block it because I

2338
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:10,439
Speaker 2: do think you're gonna have open receivers down the field.

2339
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 2: I think everybody's gonna have open receivers against Miami. If

2340
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 2: you can block it, just gotta block it. What are

2341
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 2: you what are you looking for on this game? From Drake?

2342
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 2: From Drake and the offense's home and the offense, well,

2343
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Speaker 2: I would say on the defense first, just real quick again,

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01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 2: Miami's got a backup line in there, so you to

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01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,719
Speaker 2: your point about too, like it's all pressure.

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Speaker 1: It's all pressure and getting into him. On offense, I

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01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: mean they got to establish the run and the dolphin.

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01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 2: They weren't horrible.

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01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Against the run last week, as bad as that game went,

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01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: but there should be opportunities to run on them. May

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01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 1: I just want to see him get his head on

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01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 1: right and like not kind of for again last week,

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01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: throws that interception, change his game, come out, throw the ball,

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01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: test some windows, set his feet and just kind of

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01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: go back to where he was again. The first half

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01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 1: last week was fine. If that's what you get out

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01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 1: of Drake May on a regular basis, I think you can.

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Speaker 2: Live with that.

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01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:03,120
Speaker 1: You know, he had a couple of misses here and there,

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01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: but overall, I thought, I mean, that was competitive quarterback play.

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01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 2: I was going to keep you in just about every game, right.

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01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 1: Obviously there's the element of, you know, late in the game,

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01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,680
Speaker 1: if it's close, how does he play there? But just

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01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: big picture, I thought that was perfectly fine quarterback, Like

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01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 1: can you get back to that and not get knocked

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01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 1: out of it?

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01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 2: So quickly? Here from Jonathan Jones, where's Jonathan Worgan in

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01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 2: front nowadays? CBS not former Patriot Jonathan no No Insider

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01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 2: reporter Jonathan Jones saying that the Dolphins are probably going

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01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 2: to have a backup right side to their offensive line.

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01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 2: So I was right. Keon Smith is the in line

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01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: to start at right guard right now for James Daniels

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01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 2: who they just placed on ir and Austin Jackson's out

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01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 2: too with a injury as well. They're starting right tackle.

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01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 2: So you're looking at Keon Smith at right guard and

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01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:54,719
Speaker 2: Larry Boram at right tackle. Harold Andrey against Larry Boram

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01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 2: is a matchup that the Patriot should be able to exploit,

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01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 2: and Milton Williams on whoever's it right? Right? So I

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01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 2: expect him to put ninety seven in two over the

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01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 2: right guard and the right tackle and just let let

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01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 2: him go to work and see what happens. Yeah, we

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01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 2: got to wrap up the show here, but we do

2383
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,679
Speaker 2: have two more calls really quickly though. It's your calls,

2384
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 2: because we got to get the say stage set here

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01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 2: for Patriots unfiltered. James is in North Carolina. What's up, James? James?

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01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 7: Hey guys, I'm here, Okay, cool?

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01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 2: What's up?

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01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 5: Hear me?

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01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 4: All right?

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01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 7: I tried to writing yesterday, Paul and Fred didn't get

2391
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 7: to it. It's understandable considering how yesterday's show went. Is

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01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 7: Josh McDaniel's capable of allowing Tom House to come in

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01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 7: and keep Drake May's fundamentals and mechanics where they need

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01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 7: to be, get them back where they need to be

2395
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 7: because I heard you talking about his mechanics starting to

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01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 7: slip again already without getting butt hurt and causing friction

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01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 7: and that coaching staff.

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01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the calle, James. I don't know why

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01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 2: Tom House. I mean Tom House worked with Brady for

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01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:06,559
Speaker 2: like fifteen years, so I don't know why that would

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01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,840
Speaker 2: cause friction. I don't know if we're there yet. Like,

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01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:11,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's been one game. I don't know

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01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 2: if they need to go to that extreme. Drake in

2404
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 2: the past has worked with Clie Christensen, who was sort

2405
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:20,759
Speaker 2: of like an advisor to the program at North Carolina.

2406
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 2: I am sure he is no longer working for North Carolina,

2407
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 2: so that's been his guy in the past. Clie Christensen,

2408
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 2: really good track record, Peyton Manning Andrew Luck with the

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01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 2: Colts for years. I don't think we're there yet. Now.

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01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, especially during bye weeks, Brady

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01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 2: would have a little check in with Tom House during

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01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 2: the football season and just make sure everything was, you know,

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01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 2: going mechanically the correct way. So we'll see AJ is

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01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 2: in Spain. What's up AJ, guys?

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01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 12: So I just wanted to ask a little bit about

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01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 12: the defensive line. So I wasn't watching the game super closely,

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01:52:57,479 --> 01:53:00,679
Speaker 12: but it felt like towards the end the pass us

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01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 12: really slowed down and just wasn't as effective. Then looking

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 12: at the snap counts after the game, you see Christian

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01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 12: Bahama up at like seventy percent, Milton Williams at seventy

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01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 12: eight percent, all those guys up in the upper seventies

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01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 12: for the main starters, And I was just curious, you know,

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01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 12: whether that was more like a scheme thing that the

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01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 12: Raiders were picking it up, or just that these guys

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01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 12: are getting gassed because early in the season and they

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01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 12: haven't played that much. But was just definitely a point

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01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 12: of concern that I wanted to hear a little bit

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01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:24,719
Speaker 12: more about.

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01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, a J So, I would say that if you

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01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 2: look across the board on interior defensive lineman, especially, very

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01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 2: few tier defensive linemen are playing every snap.

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01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:36,560
Speaker 1: No. In the seventies is pretty high for that position.

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01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,719
Speaker 2: Especially for those two guys bar more Off blood Clotts

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01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 2: and Williams wasn't really a three down player in Philadelphia. Now,

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01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:45,639
Speaker 2: Max Crossey played every snap because he's amazing.

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01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,400
Speaker 1: So Max Crosby, like, yes, the Max Crosby's of the world.

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01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 1: I think even Aaron Donald would usually only be about

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01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 1: like eighty percent.

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01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, most of the time, those interior guys rotate.

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01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 2: It's really hard to play that position from a conditioning standpoint.

2441
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 2: Those are big boys and they're flying off the ball.

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01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: You want to keep them fresh, so there's a lot

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01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 2: of rotation usually there with that position group. All right,

2444
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 2: we got to wrap up the show Patriots Unfiltered. We'll

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01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 2: start here in a few minutes at noon, so we'll

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01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 2: have much more Patriots talk. Alex and I will be

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