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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Markets Podcast. I'm Paul Sweeney, alongside

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Speaker 1: my co host Matt Miller. Every business day, we bring

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Speaker 1: you interviews from CEOs, market pros, and Bloomberg experts, along

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com slash podcast. All right, let's talk

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Speaker 1: middle markets, and we love to chat with Lawrence Golob,

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Speaker 1: CEO of Golob Capital about middle markets. You know, how

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Speaker 1: are the middle markets doing? How are some of the

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Speaker 1: small midsized companies doing. We always here about in these

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Speaker 1: earning seasons some of the bigger companies. But let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at what the middle market is doing. Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us here. I know you

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Speaker 1: guys are out with a new report looking at the

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Speaker 1: middle market of this economy. What are some of the

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Speaker 1: key takeaways that you guys found great, very happy to

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Speaker 1: be here, Thanks for having me. Gall of Capital is

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Speaker 1: one of the largest lenders to medium sized businesses in

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Speaker 1: the United States, and we put together this report to

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Speaker 1: look at actual monthly results from the early months in

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Speaker 1: a quarter to see what's going on in the real

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Speaker 1: US economy, not projections, not conjecture. So our report is

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Speaker 1: based on UH, the actual results from July and August,

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Speaker 1: on revenue and on profitability. And what we see almost

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Speaker 1: across the board is a booming degree of growth, booming

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Speaker 1: growth and revenue, booming growth and profits. Very few one

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Speaker 1: but not many warning signs UH and and this is

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Speaker 1: one of the strongest periods of growth we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Hang On, you say there's one warning sign, Well, we

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Speaker 1: have in the aggregate about growth rate and revenue, about

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Speaker 1: growth rate and profits, but not in industrials. Industrial profits

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Speaker 1: are down. We're seeing margin contraction, and that margin contraction

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Speaker 1: is especially alarming because revenue is still growing. I think

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Speaker 1: we're seeing the impacts of UH declining productivity, of inflation

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Speaker 1: logistic issues. In contrast to that. On the consumer side,

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Speaker 1: consumer margins have been exploding up almost fiftuh in in

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Speaker 1: industrials because eventually those margin issues may start migrating over

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Speaker 1: to other industry areas. So, Lawrence, you mentioned the supply chain,

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Speaker 1: and we're hearing that from companies across the board on

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Speaker 1: a global scale. Even Apple had to take down their

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Speaker 1: iPhone sales forecast due to supply chain issues. I would

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Speaker 1: in the marketplace that might be even more pronounced. What

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Speaker 1: are you hearing my My message to listeners is do

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Speaker 1: your Christmas shopping now. Grinches for Halloween and he's not leaving,

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Speaker 1: and he may not even be leaving for Christmas. Of two. Yes,

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Speaker 1: middle market companies that can't hire their own ships have

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Speaker 1: certain disadvantages over some of the big box or or

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Speaker 1: internet retailers. But fundamentally, what's going on is we have

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Speaker 1: an excess of demand. Now that's good. People want to

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Speaker 1: buy things, but we've pumped five trillion dollars of fiscal

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of buyers chasing fewer goods than exist.

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Speaker 1: I think that the the supply chain issues will vary

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Speaker 1: why areas of consumer products this Christmas something similar to

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Speaker 1: That people are going to see some stock outs than

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Speaker 1: big Christmas for gift cards. It's not the great the

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Speaker 1: greatest time to try and ship in nine eleven and

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Speaker 1: through software. I think something we've seen and that our

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Speaker 1: and that's an area we continue to look at very favorably.

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Speaker 1: for joining us, Lawrence. Always great to get your insight.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence called there from gold Capital, one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: lenders to the middle market in America, talking to us

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Speaker 1: about um the economics of middle market business right now

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Speaker 1: and giving us his outlook as well. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring in liz Anne Saunders. Now she is chief

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Speaker 1: investment strategist Charles Schwab and um, you know they have

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Speaker 1: listen to what she has to say, Lizzie, And let

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Speaker 1: But the kind of systemic wage price spiral environment that

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Speaker 1: the ground level, and I think that that's justified, all right, Dan,

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting here where do you see some opportunities here?

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Speaker 1: We're doing both. I think what's been really interesting, both

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Speaker 1: All Right, Dan, thanks so much for joining us. Always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure talking to you. Dan Griffith is senior vice

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Speaker 1: president and the director of Wealth Strategy for the Huntington's

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Speaker 1: It's just it's it's enough to draw me back, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get back here with Although the housing markets

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Speaker 1: I hope it loosens up a little bit. I do

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Speaker 1: can we can just hope that over the next few

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