1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Huttle on Giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: dot com, on the Giants the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: to the new episode of The Giants Little Podcast. It's 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: our roundtable of Giants reporters at the halfway point or 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: whatever close you and get to the halfway point in 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: the seventeen game season. I am John schmelk Kim Jones, 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and for Tom Rock, We're gonna be bad now today 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: BC is now big time to us as the national 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: reporter for Newsday or it's stabled in from the Record 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: and Paul Schwartz in the New York Post. The John 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Suttle Podcast is brought to you by p s C 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: ANDNG Energy Efficiency for game time and anytime, visit PSC 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: dot com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and home energy assessments. Kim, 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: you're here. You work in fro f a n It's 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: good to have you. How are you. I'm delighted to 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: be here. I'm great, Thank you. I know if I'm 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: as good as the Giants, I'm great. Well, I don't 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: know if any of us are as good as the 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Giants right now. So let's start there. How Kim go? 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: You know What I really love about this team and 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: and the times I'm around this team and this coaching 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: staff is they're really authentically who I believe them to be. Right, 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: I think from a distance, a lot of us had 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: an impression of Wink Martindale. My my impressions of him 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: was solely from a distance. Brian Dable I got to 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: know pretty well because I covered Buffalo so many times 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: over these last several years, and from that standpoint, none 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: of this surprises me. Now the record right now shocks 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: me because we've all become conditioned at this point in 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: the season to see one or two wins on the 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: Giants ledger, and they've turned it around very quickly, guys, 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: much more quick I thought the signs of turning it 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: around would be there long before the turnaround. I was 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: wrong about that. It's been. It's been in tandem, and 35 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: it's been fantastic, all right. He totally agree with that, obviously, 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: you know two and six a year ago and and 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: now six and two. But I will say I predicted 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: six wins, so until they get number seven, I'm spot 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: on as where the prodiction goes. That's what I'm gonna 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: stick to. I do like what Kim said about being genuine, uh. 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: And I do think that this coaching staff, why it's 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: connected to the players, is that in past years, without 43 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: pointing fingers, a lot of this stuff was said. It 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: was said behind the scenes, it was set into microphones. 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna be aggressive, we're gonna trust our players. We're 46 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: gonna build the system around what we have, not necessarily 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: an ideal as to what we're going to be. And 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: I think I go back to again what Sae Kwon 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: Barkley said the first day of the off season program 50 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: after they came off the practice field. He said, we've 51 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: talked about things behind the scenes and in meeting rooms, 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: and then you get out on the practice field and 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: you never see it. He said, we see it. We 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: see what they're talking about. That carried through the week 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: one with the two point conversion. How the players knew 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: that was the mentality that day. Ball said he was 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: gonna have the first big spot for this team to respond, 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: and he put the trust in them to come through. 59 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: They came through, and I really think it's been a 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: wave since then for this team to kind of back 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: up the trust and that authenticity of what this coaching 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: staff has brought to this team, Paul Schwartz, Um, I 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: just have to say, well, I'm a little confused because 64 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: you said Tom Rock was supposed to be on here, 65 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: and now Kim is on here, and so we have 66 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: talking points to bad mouth Tom Rock. Right, See, I 67 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: got confused. I thought that Tom was gonna be on 68 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: here and Art wasn't. And I prepared all these talking 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: points to bad mouth Art. So I'm I'm I. I mean, 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: I had nothing to bad mouth Kim, but I had 71 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff the bad mouth Art, and now 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: I had read the assess no no, So you know 73 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: what a couple of things I'm gonna touch on because 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: I had the luxury were going third. Here a couple 75 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: of things that Kim said and Art said. Art said 76 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that two point conversion to start the season, was like, okay, 77 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: that was a sign. Right, Well, let's not forget after that, 78 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the Titans missed a forty seven yard field goal, right, 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it was the same game we've seen in 80 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: other years with with other regimes, and they make that 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: field goal, right, the defense let them come, not let them. 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: The defense did not prevent the other team from coming 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: down the field to kick a makeup a field goal 84 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: and they missed it. They just missed it, right, And 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: so what Kim said, Well she was wrong about this team. 86 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: Everybody was wrong about this team. And you know what, 87 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: I think Joe Shane and Brian Dable were wrong about 88 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: this team because they did not expect six wins out 89 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: of the first seven and now six out of the 90 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: first day. They didn't. They expected to be cohesive, they 91 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: expected to be disciplined, they expected to start laying the 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: groundwork for a culture change. They didn't expect it. So look, 93 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: I picked them to go seven and ten, right, I mean, 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: you know they're gonna have to be really bad to 95 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: to to you know, to be seven and ten right now. 96 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: We don't think that's gonna happen. But I'm not like, 97 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what did I miss? What did I miss? Here? 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: We none of us missed it because the everybody missed it. 99 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 1: You know, they're there. They've been fortunate, they've been lucky, 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: they've been they played well, they've stuck to a script 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: that almost every game is worked. You know, can it 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Can it continue in the second half? I mean a 103 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: little bit. I don't think you can. But look, I 104 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: don't think we any of us missed anything. I mean, 105 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: we all missed it. This The team was not supposed 106 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: to win six games, but they have. Yeah, look, I 107 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: think you're right, Paul, And look they're only a plus 108 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: six and point differential, right, but but they're six and two. 109 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: So I think what we've all learned over the years 110 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: is that the NFL is playing on a razor line 111 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: of winning and losing, and it's a pretty thin line 112 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: between those two things. And the Giants, through execution and 113 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: coaching and also from the bounce of the ball to 114 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: your point the field goal at the times missed, they 115 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: wound up on the better side of that. This year, 116 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: every game has been a one score game except for 117 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: one that was a Seattle loss. Their five and one 118 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: and one score games, and I think that does speak 119 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: to the coaching and I think Frankly and Kim, I'll 120 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: start with the year too. I think what we all 121 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of missed is, you know, sick On Arkley looks 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: like the guy that they drafted, and the offensive line 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: for the and we'll talk about the struggles and past protection. 124 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure they've run blocked I think pretty well this year. 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: And when you're I think right now, there's second or 126 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: third in terms of rushing yards per game in the league. 127 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: I think that can cover up a lot of things 128 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: that maybe you're not doing well. Yeah, it's funny how 129 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: those say Clion detractors. He's done, he's finished, he can't 130 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: stay on the field. They've been awfully quiet, right. I 131 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: think sa Quon's participated in at least eight of the 132 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: snaps in every game this season. Um offensive snaps of course, 133 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, except for that game in London where I 134 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: believe he was somewhere in the sixties or something, So 135 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's been durable. The The idea that sa 136 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: Kwon was going to lose it, um, even after a 137 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: string of unfortunate injuries, including the craziest one where he 138 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: stepped on Jordan Lewis's foot in Dallas and we watched 139 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: live on television as his as his ankle absolutely ballooned 140 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: like a party balloon. Um. The idea that he was 141 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: just gonna give up or he was never going to 142 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: be the same as something I never entertained because I 143 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: have a good fortune of having known him since his 144 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: Penn's Day days, and there was no doubt about that. 145 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I will say this though, guys, I think so, I 146 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: I think, and I think I know that Sae quant 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: very very pleasantly surprised this coaching staff in every single way. 148 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't think they knew exactly the player or the 149 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: guy they were getting when they made the trip down 150 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: from Buffalo. And I mean that I don't think they 151 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: had a bad impression. I don't think they realized who 152 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: he truly is. And I think as soon as Brian 153 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: Dable and the coaching staff really kind of got the 154 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: hang of that, you see an awful lot of trust 155 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: being placed in Sae Juan Barkley UM. And it should 156 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: be right now. He's he's been fantastic. This little, this 157 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: little slash big comeback of his UM is good for 158 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: every single person in East Rutherford obviously, you know, I 159 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think Kim and Art and I have 160 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: all talked about this, you know, in private, also about 161 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: se Kwan. I mean, I never understood when he was 162 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: a great player as a rookie, because you know, it's 163 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: one thing if he came in the league and just 164 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: it just didn't work. But he was a great player 165 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: as a rookie. Great he was the offensive rookie of 166 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the of the year, rightly so and then he got hurt, 167 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and and and then every once 168 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: in a while he'd show up on zoom right because 169 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: the world had had had fallen off a cliff, or 170 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: we'd see him in person and he'd be wearing a 171 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: hoodie and he'd beat down. Yeah, he was down because 172 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: his his knee wasn't back yet and his ankle was 173 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: not there yet, and the team stunk um so you know, 174 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: and people said, well he is. You know, we have 175 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: to separate Sae Kwon Barkley the player and Sae Kwon 176 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: Barkley the number two pick in the draft. You know, 177 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: we could debate for probably twenty four hours whether you 178 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: should ever take a running back number two in the draft. 179 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: But I always said, what do was Sa Kwan supposed 180 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: to do at number two? When the Giants are putting 181 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: the card all on no, no, Dave, you know, you 182 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: know John marrass eetitition, No no no, no, no, um um. 183 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I think I'm a great player, and I think I'm 184 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: gonna be valued any franchise. But but I am a 185 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: running back in positional value, you should take me at 186 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: seven or eight or twelve, So please put that card 187 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: back and wait, I mean, come on, So, I mean 188 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: I never runs to the venom against se Kwana. And 189 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: let's remember, look, Joe Judge, I think maybe has the 190 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: potential to be a head coach. He's third. He was 191 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: thirty eight when he was hired. Ben mcindow was thirty 192 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: eight when he was hired. Brian Dable was forty seven 193 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: when he was hiled. If Brian Dable was thirty eight, 194 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: he might not have been ready for this. And Joe 195 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: Judge never had this Sa Kwan Barkley. Okay, And and 196 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: you don't have to be a genius as a head 197 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: coach to say, you know what, have the quarterback hand 198 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: the bull of Sa Kwan Barkley, you know, twenty times 199 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: a game and we'll see what happens. Joe Judge never 200 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: had that. He was never healthy. So you know, I 201 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: mean without stay Kwan Barkley, this team is two and 202 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: six not six and two. I mean, that's all of 203 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: us to it. Yeah, I mean, I do think Paul 204 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: Paul's point about say Quan and you know we all 205 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: saw it watching on zoom. It's during the pandemic. Things 206 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: aren't going well for him for the team, you know, 207 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: and just the mood you know, he was always the 208 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: bright light. I mean when se Kwan was brought in here, 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: the brooding star quote unquote was Odell Beckham Jr. And 210 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: sa Kwan was supposed to lift Odella. You know that 211 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: that idea that they were gonna be, you know, sunshine together. 212 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: The spotlight was going to be both of them. And 213 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: when O'Dell is shipped out of town and s Juan's 214 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: here now he has that burden through times where he's 215 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: not healthy, and I think it's fortunate to be able 216 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: to see him now being healthy, being a leader on 217 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: this team. But also it's the little things this coaching staff. 218 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if Bobby Johnson and Tony Sperano Jr. 219 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: Have gotten enough credit with what they've done with this 220 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: offensive line. I mean, going back to the summer, they 221 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: were a really good run blocking unit in practice, in 222 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: training camp, even in preseason games, and that actually carried 223 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: over to the point where they're one of the best. 224 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: I don't care what the numbers may say as far 225 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: as analytics, as far as a run blocking unit, this 226 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: is the best run blocking offensive line that Sae Kuon 227 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: Barkley has had. You throw in Daniel Jones and his 228 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: ability and the creativity of this offensive minded staff with 229 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: between Dable and Mike Kafka and everybody else across the board, 230 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: I think it just it fits what Sa Kuan is doing, 231 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: and the more you see, the more creativity, the fun 232 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: of seeing him in a direct snap situation. You know, 233 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: I joke with him, it's no longer the Wildcats the 234 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: Nitney Lion. You know that that idea of he is 235 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: the engine that makes this offense go. Daniel Jones is 236 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: a separate category. I'm sure we'll get to that, but 237 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: se Juon Barkley right now is the reason they are 238 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: six and two at the top of the list, and 239 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: I think he deserves a lot of credit for that. 240 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: One other thing, there is a point where he knows 241 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: how important this season was to him, and I'm not 242 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: saying he changed his mentality or his approach. He's coming 243 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: through when he needed to come through for his individual 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: success and also for this team. So it was almost like, 245 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, if this is year two, year three, I'm 246 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: not saying that sae Quan didn't play as hard, because 247 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: he certainly did, but it's coming together at the right time. 248 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: It's his final year. He's got it he's in a 249 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: contract year, it's a new regime. He's had to prove 250 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: himself two people in this building, and I think he's 251 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: done that. From day one, moment that Dabel and Shane 252 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: walked into this building, Quan has been the guy that 253 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: we see today. Uh. And I think that's a credit 254 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. Look, and I don't think you can 255 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: understand how important he's been. I'm gonna roll off some 256 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: stats here as guys, and I think if these are 257 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: the numbers that we were looking at this year and 258 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: the Giants had a poor record, fans would be screaming 259 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: about it till the cows come home. The Giants of 260 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: nine completions of twenty more yards this year, last in 261 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: the league, deep past attempts of over twenty yards fourteen 262 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: thirty one in the NFL. Five percent rate on those 263 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: throws fifteen thirty four fifteen plus r past place twenty 264 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: nine in the NFL. You can survive that. And you 265 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: know their rush straight fifth overall most you know, in 266 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: terms of percentage of plays at a running place. You know, 267 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: if if this wasn't the s quon we're looking at, 268 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this wouldn't look much different. And I'm not 269 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: sure than the offensive between the last two years, right, 270 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: it's just changed everything. And it's the defensive ability obviously 271 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: to keep points off the board. And we'll talk about 272 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: them specifically. Everything you just kind of fit together for once. 273 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: And I think they've had trouble finding that complementary football 274 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: feel over the last few years of at least, you know, 275 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: letting both sides of the ball work together. And I 276 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: think everything Paul has kind of come together in tandem 277 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 1: this year to make that work. Well, So what do 278 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: we for years? You know, we're not looking for the 279 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys offensive line when they were great, right, they're 280 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: like four Pro bowlers. Just let's see what an average, 281 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: pretty good offensive line would look like, you know, just 282 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: let's see then let's evaluate the quarterback. Let's about say 283 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: Kwan things like that. And you know, I don't think 284 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: they're they're I think they're better than an average offensive line, 285 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: but I don't think they're a top ten offensive line 286 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: right now. I mean I really don't. I think they're 287 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: they're sort of a slightly above average. They have a 288 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: great young left tackle. I mean, he's great, you know, 289 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: he's he's he's you know, we can redo the draft 290 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: from three years ago, and where does he going the draft? Right? 291 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean he's you know, he was the number one 292 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: offensive tackle off the board then and the Giants were 293 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: roundly criticized for that. And you know he wasn't ahead 294 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: at the first quarter mile, right, but he is very 295 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: close to being ahead or maybe ahead right now. So 296 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: he's terrific. Evan Neil, I think is gonna be terrific. 297 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he was probably better in his 298 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: first six or seven games. I don't know if you 299 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: guys would agree me that that then Andrew Thomas wasn't 300 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: his first six things, so you know, so, so he's 301 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: gonna be toorific. And you know, the other three guys 302 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: inside I think are guys they're using now and next 303 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: year you may have two or three different guys or 304 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: maybe Shane Lemuse steps in, or maybe Nick Gates steps 305 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: in or you know, you know some So I just 306 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: think they have you know, I think they're pretty good 307 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: on the offensive line, but I don't think they're all 308 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: world leaders. Um. You know, you mentioned about the receivers, 309 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: and we'll get into that. And you know, look the 310 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: two well the two the two highest most prolific running 311 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: teams in the league of the Giants and the Bears, right, 312 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: and you know in college football that's great. In the NFL, 313 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, the Bears aren't any good. You know, the 314 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: Bears are selling off players now. So, um, you know, 315 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: the Giants are good with the record, but this is 316 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: a very tenuous situation. They cannot survive with those stats 317 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: in the second half of what you're saying. If they 318 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: can't get the ball down field, and you know, and 319 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: and and um, you know, Marcus Johnson is getting eighties 320 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: six percent of the offensive snaps. It's just not gonna work. 321 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: I mean, se Quan Is last night checked he is human. So, um, 322 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: you know it has to get better. But look, there's 323 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: that's why it's remarkable. And you know, Brian Dables the 324 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: coach of the year in my mind because six and 325 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: two is you know, they are being superbly coached on 326 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball art Yeah, I mean, uh, 327 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: you know that that's the coaching aspect. I mean, really, 328 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: for the first time all year a coaching staff actually 329 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: stepped up in Seattle against the Giants and kind of 330 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: match them play for play. I mean, the Giants for 331 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: their winning streak. They had completely outcoached Green Bay or 332 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Leaves Chicago, the side, Green Bay, Baltimore, Uh, and then 333 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: down in Jacksonville. You know, everything that we wanted to 334 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: hear about was, oh, this is the week that Doug 335 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Peterson and his staff are gonna out coach Gable and 336 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: the Giants, and it just didn't happen. Uh. This week. 337 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they were outcoached, but you finally 338 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: saw an opponent that was able to stand up with 339 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: much much more tow. I mean, you look at the 340 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: two talented receivers as banged up as they were for Seattle, 341 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: the damage that Metcalf and Lockett did, but also you 342 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: know the way they were able defensively to finally CounterPunch 343 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: what the Giants were able to do offensively. And I 344 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: think that's why things just really struggle to get going. 345 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: And I think in the second half it's going to 346 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: be a challenge for this team. Sure, you'd love to 347 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: see them have more talent. You want an infusion of talent, 348 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: but this coaching staff now has to evolve. They have 349 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: to figure out way now to come out of the buy. 350 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to beat teams because 351 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna go to work on what Seattle was able 352 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: to do, and now you kind of I'm kind of 353 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: excited to see how they evolved, especially offensively, to see 354 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: what they can CounterPunch off of what didn't work in Seattle. 355 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: You know, Kim, I think are kind of brought us 356 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: an interesting direction. The sustainability of this model, right, I 357 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: think it's something that is going to be a big 358 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: topic of conversation as you head into a schedule where 359 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: you still gotta play five year six division games, which 360 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: obviously are very important. Your thoughts on and how what 361 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: adjustments might be made. We're recording this before the trade deadline, 362 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: so folks, if there was a trade made, we're not 363 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: talking about it. Is recording it on Tuesday morning because 364 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: you want to get in the buy weekend and go 365 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: have a good time. Um, Your thoughts on moving forward, 366 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: how they kind of keep it on if they can't 367 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: keep it on given what's down the road. Yeah, and 368 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: I look at the defense first, and as part of 369 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: this conversation, guys, because you look at Jalen Smith, you know, 370 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: back from what I remember most of him might be 371 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: what many people remember most of him, and that was 372 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: obviously that awful injury in that Bowl game. Um, you know, 373 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: and they're getting, you know, production from from a player 374 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: like that. I'm still waiting to see Landing Collins and 375 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: and hoping that he makes it, you know, another splash 376 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: in round two as a New York Giant. But when 377 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: you think about um Link Martindale, he absolutely was in 378 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: the room when they drafted Cavon Thibodeau. He absolutely wanted 379 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: that draft pick. That's no secret and shouldn't be a 380 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: revelation to anyone, but I've been told reliably he also 381 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: loved Dexter Lawrence coming out, and I think it's not 382 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: an accident. We're seeing Dexter play what certainly, in my 383 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: opinion is his best and most enthusiastic football as a 384 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: New York Giant, and he's making plays, and you know, 385 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: and when you go back to the and imagine if 386 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: if James Bradberry could have been kept and it wasn't 387 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: a numbers game, in a dollars game. Because I also 388 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: know for a fact that Wink obviously would have loved 389 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: having James Bradberry. And I know that sounds like no kidding, 390 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: but you know, not every player meets every scheme. Um. 391 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: But but he would have and he would have been 392 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: a great part of this Wink Martin Dale defense. And 393 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, you'll look at at what Wink has been 394 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: able to do, UM, and I think it's really set 395 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: a tone and an aggressive tone for these players. And 396 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: and obviously on defense that's the goal every time out. 397 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: But I think that we are seeing players empowered, players 398 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: know that they can make plays and and perhaps most importantly, guys, 399 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: This to me is a separate topic unto itself. It 400 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't have to be in this regard, but I 401 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: can't tell you the players that they do include Dexter, 402 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: they include O'shane's Eminez, they include Darius Slayton. But that 403 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: goes beyond that. Who said to me, we can now 404 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: make mistakes on the practice field and they are corrected 405 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: on the practice field. It is not a punitive situation. 406 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: And that to me is one of the ways that 407 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: this team has very easily flipped, not only flipped the 408 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: script from last year, but really embraced the script because 409 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: they are being coached in a manner that they respect 410 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: and appreciate, but that also gets better results. You know, Okay, 411 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: I want to go back I think you make a 412 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: good point. Um. I forget what practice it was, but 413 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: oceans Emmenez in one on ones commits two offsides penalties 414 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: I think in three snaps during practice and Dave will 415 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: happen to be walking by, yells at him, you know, 416 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: does what the typical coach does. But it didn't bury 417 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: him right like they all, you know, Okay, you made 418 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: a mistake. Let's see if you can come back and contribute. 419 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: And and you know, Paul aren't I think and Paul 420 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: want to go to you first. You know, they have 421 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: given some of these guys that maybe at first you're thinking, 422 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybebe maybe they're time's up here, they're not 423 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: going to contribute, and they've been factors. And be honest, 424 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: Darius Slayen is their best wide receiver. He's he's the 425 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: only guy that really gets open besides Wandela Robinson. I mean, 426 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 1: he is he is, he is, um. I mean, they 427 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: can't live without him. And I always thought, you know, 428 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: Darius Slayton que a hundred passes his first two years. 429 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: You know, he was not a slouch. I mean he 430 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: was a he was a great draft pick at you know, 431 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: a third day draft pick and he's fast, and he 432 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: drops the ball too much. We get that. He's a 433 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: good guy. Um, you know, does he sulk or whatever? 434 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but but um yeah, they 435 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: buried him and then they resurrected him, and that's you know, 436 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: kudos to them. I come first of all. You know, 437 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: we have to remember one of the first things this 438 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: new group did when they came in their first big 439 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: decisions was we're not going to give the fifth year 440 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: option to Daniel Jones supporter back right, guaranteeing him well 441 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: like two million dollars three and we are going to 442 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: guarantee Dexter what is it about ten million for next 443 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: year you know, site unseen. So that goes to what 444 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: Kim said that Wink likes him. Look, it's hard not 445 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: to like him. I mean, he's he's a mountain of 446 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: a man. He's a great guy. But he was not 447 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: the kind of guy who got a lot of push 448 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: in the pocket and things like that. This year, he 449 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: is they changed basically his role in the interior of 450 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: the of the defensive line. He bought in. He's getting 451 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: good coaching. Um, look at the mature coaching staff. You know, 452 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: I really believe This is essential to the Giants, as 453 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: they hired a head coach when he was absolutely ready 454 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: to be a head coach, not five years earlier. You know, 455 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: Brian Dable thought he would be a head coach before this. 456 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: You know, he's been in the league twenty five years. 457 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: You know, he was kind of a bridesmaid a couple 458 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: of times, right, and got some interviews and he got 459 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: beaten out by somebody. So I'm sure you know he'll say, yeah, 460 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: I thought I was ready for this job, you know, 461 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: three years ago, this job five years ago. But he 462 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: didn't get it. So he's been he's been waiting and 463 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: plotting in a good way for this, and he has 464 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: hit the ground running. He knew exactly what he wanted 465 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: to do. Two things. He hired a very strong defensive 466 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: coordinator who could overshadow a younger, offensive minded head coach. 467 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: You know, he didn't have to do that. And look, 468 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: his baby is calling the plays and and I thought 469 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: when he was hired, he will call the place because 470 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: that's what these guys do. And he gives it to 471 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: not a guy who's proven, to a guy Mike Kafka 472 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: who is not proven. And to me, that was a 473 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: very very unselfish and incredibly mature thing to do, because 474 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: because I think the head coach should not be calling 475 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: the place. He's got to be operating the whole team. 476 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: Brian Dable start that way, and if he was thirty seven, 477 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: he might not have seen it that way. I just 478 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: think it's the fact that they hired this coach at 479 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: the exact right time. We're seeing that that we're seeing 480 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: the results of that. Here also is out there too 481 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: are before you go to I think the one thing 482 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: that struck me about Brian Dable is that if you 483 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: didn't know what the score of the game was, and 484 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: you didn't like listen to his words in his postgame 485 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: press conferences, just by how he looks and talks and sounds, 486 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: you would have no idea if they want are lost, Like, 487 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: there is no difference in his demeanor, and he's talked 488 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: about that and again he goes back to forget, which 489 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: when he made the point, you know, it's not just 490 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: what he says, is what he does in the coaching 491 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: staff doesn't with the players. See, he really does seem 492 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: like the same guy. Now, we'll see if they loose 493 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: four or five straight, if that continues, that's when you know, 494 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road and it gets really tough, 495 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: and we'll find out when the adversity hits. But he 496 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: just always seems to be the same guy. And and 497 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing going back to we talked about Joe 498 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: Judge being, you know, probably way too early and not 499 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: ready for this kind of thing. I think it does 500 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: come from Belichick and saving a little bit the idea 501 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: of the process versus the results, right. We heard that 502 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: with Judge early on. It was we don't look at 503 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: the standings, we focus on our process. Problem was the 504 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: results never came, and the results over the lack of 505 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: results overwhelmed the process. Players don't buy in when they 506 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: don't see results. I think with Dable and this coaching staff, 507 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: they've gotten the results. And I don't just mean wins 508 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: on the field. Obviously that matters, but with players. We 509 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: talked Dexter Lawrence, Dextra Lawrence said from his first meeting 510 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: with Wink Martindale it was he Leonard Williams and Wink Martindale, 511 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: and Wake Martindale said, I am not doing my job 512 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: if the two of you are not pro bowlers by 513 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: the end of this season. Andre Patterson came here and 514 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: told Andre Patterson, the defensive line coach, told Dexter Lawrence, 515 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm moving you to nose guard. You'll still play some 516 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: three technique, but you're playing nose guard and you will 517 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: be the best nose guard in the league because I 518 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: see your hands and I know why this will work. 519 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: And extra Lawrence trusted him. I think a big part 520 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: of this. And we can go all the way back 521 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: to Tom Coughlin when things were struggling post Super Bowl 522 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: forty six. Tom Coughlin is one of his favorite phrases 523 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: was we have to play above the exes and ohs. 524 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: Right this coaching staff right now, from an exs and 525 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: nose perspective, is good. What they've done developing players of 526 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: different levels of talent is a huge factor here. They 527 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: have not only taken elite players and made them play 528 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: a laite you know, say Kwon Barkley, let's talk dextra 529 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: war it's the first round pick. They've got that. But 530 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: they've got a guy like Julian Love who has made 531 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: at least three plays off the top of my head 532 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: that have won games this year. You know, they have 533 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: his Xavier McKinney on the back end. The job of 534 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: getting Xavier McKinney to go from just another player out 535 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: there who's talent and happened to go to Alabama to 536 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: being a leader in this locker room. I mean, you 537 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: watch Davier McKinney in this locker room, there's it's unquestioned 538 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: who the guy that everyone kind of turns to and 539 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: looks at. So, you know, I'm sure there are other 540 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: examples that are not thinking of right now. How about 541 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: a guy like Fabian Moreau who they picked off scrappy 542 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: on one last week. It's crazy and that's the other factor. 543 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: And like Kim mentioned before, Jalen Smith, you know, all 544 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, Fabian Moreau is making plays 545 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Landon Collins in his first game and forever against Jacksonville, 546 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: And on that last play, he's right there Landing College 547 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: made a huge stop on third and one earlier in 548 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: that game. That's set up the fourth and one stop 549 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: against Jacksonville. So there are guys that they're just kind 550 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: of working in here. Jahad Ward johad Ward last year 551 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: was basically, you know, he was a guy in a 552 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: scrap heap in Jacksonville. You know, people look at that 553 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: and said, oh, well, they're hiring. You know, they're signing 554 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: a guy from Jacksonville. Look at what jahad Ward has 555 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: meant to this team, especially with the injuries to Oje 556 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: Lory and then recently O'Shane Siminez. And then look at 557 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: O'Shane Simminez. You know, look at what O'Shane has done. 558 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: He closed the game against Green Bay in London. So 559 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: I do think that we can go all around about 560 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: the idea of the XS and ose of this coaching staff, 561 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: and we always talk about developing players. They are developing 562 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: players who are not the most talented players on the roster. 563 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: It's one thing to come in and say we need 564 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: to get the most out of sa Kuon Barkley. It's 565 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: another thing to come in here and say we need 566 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: to turn Julian Love from a player who is essentially 567 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: a special teamer and you know, the duct tape guy, 568 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: because we just stick him wherever something's broken. Julian Love 569 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: is a big time player on this team right now, 570 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: and you know he's playing himself into uh the idea 571 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: that he can get a contract extension to be a 572 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: part of this Giants team going forward. I think they 573 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: deserve a lot of credit the players deserve the credit too, 574 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: but that's what they've done here. Uh, in the first 575 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: eight games of the season. You want to add that, Kim, 576 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't add a little anecdote about Brian Dable. Um, 577 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: he's so cool as a cucumber as Giants head coach, 578 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: and I certainly understand there's a difference when you ascend 579 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: from offensive coordinator as he did in Buffalo to being 580 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: a head coach of the New York Giants. But there's 581 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: there's a fire that burns in him. And I believe 582 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: it was last season. One of the teams was definitely Seattle, 583 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: and in my mind the other team was either Pittsburgh 584 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: or the Chargers. Both games were at Orchard Park and 585 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: Brian Dable started five ye And I remember asking him 586 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: about that, either after the game or in his subsequent zoom, 587 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, a day after the game, about that, because 588 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was sending a clear message, we might 589 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: be Buffalo, we might be up here in the cold, uh, 590 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, days of of uh you know, Buffalo impending winters, 591 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: but we can fly with any of you. And and 592 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: he had a team in an offense that could and 593 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: he wasn't afraid to show that. And I told him 594 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: one time, I said on the air, I called it 595 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: the day Ball flex, and he smiled. He didn't give 596 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: me anything audible that I could use, but he absolutely smiled. 597 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: This is a guy who takes great pride in what 598 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: he does. Has waited a while. Uh. He could have 599 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: been a coach, he put perhaps of the Chargers had 600 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: things gone gone differently. Uh, And he could have been 601 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: on that West Coast a year earlier or so. But 602 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: but the Bills kept winning in the playoffs and sometimes, 603 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: as we know, coordinators quote unquote pay the price for that. 604 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: I think Ryan dave Ball would tell you he's in 605 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: the absolute perfect spot for him to be in and 606 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: nothing he does will surprise me. And I say that 607 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: with optimism that he's going to have a very successful tenure. 608 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: And I mean that he cares deeply about his players. 609 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: He makes sure they know that. He also gets on 610 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: him as we've we've all seen on the sidelines in particular, 611 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: and even at practice, but practices practice, we've certainly seen 612 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: it on game day. Um. But but he's invested an 613 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: awful lot in this. He's going to be very, very successful, 614 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: and I know it's easy to say that now, but 615 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: I've thought that for a long time about Dave Ball. 616 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: All Right, we got ten minutes. We've got two topics. 617 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: We haven't talked about. Daniel Jones. I think we've mentioned 618 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: his name once as a runner, which is kind of amazing. 619 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 1: Uh So, either any of you can jump in. How 620 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: do you view what he's done so far this year? 621 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: I think he's done what they've asked him, but he 622 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: has that to do a lot just because of what's 623 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: going on around him. So jump in. Daniel Jones thoughts 624 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: here with nine games left in the schedule, I see 625 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: a better quarterback right now, and I've just talking statistically. 626 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: I just see a better quarterback, better coach, quarterback, an 627 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: offense that he has seemed to take two obviously. I 628 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: think some of the throws that he's ripped off on 629 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: third and longs the gotta have it throws he's made him. 630 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: I think he had two against Seattle on Sunday in 631 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: which he just fired it in there and there was 632 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: no apprehension. The turnovers are down. The bottom line is 633 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: when it comes down to should the Giants resign Daniel 634 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Jones and what's going to happen? I think there's a 635 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: lot of game to play and he's got to stay healthy. 636 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: He obviously avoided a serious injury with the ankle. But 637 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: before I can commit to Daniel Jones long term as 638 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Giants, I have to see how 639 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: this season finishes out. And I don't necessarily means when 640 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: mean wins and losses. I think I want to see 641 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: him continue to evolve and grow. But he deserves a 642 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: lot of credit it this coaching staff growing Shade Tierney 643 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: as the quarterbacks coach. They've actually developed Daniel Jones where 644 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones the last two years has kind 645 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: of been stagnant. I think Jones developed under Pat Shermer 646 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: and that former coaching staff and then just went stagnant 647 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: completely with Joe Judge, Jason Garrett and everybody else. I 648 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: think this year you've seen a different Daniel Jones. Uh. 649 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: And if you're the Giants, I think part of you 650 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: was kicking yourself, Like John Marris said in the offseason, Uh, 651 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: how much do we do to screw up this guy 652 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: and not advanced him to the point where making your 653 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: decision on his future would be a lot easier than 654 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: I think right now, it's still a little bit more complicated. 655 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: Kampa Paul. Yeah, you know, you know, I'm not afraid 656 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: to say I don't know. You know, it's it's you 657 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: should know about Daniel Jones, but I can't. He you 658 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: Kim mention, you know, Kim Newdable you know more, you 659 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: know earlier than I did. Certainly um um. You know 660 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: she mentioned a dable of flex right. You know, this 661 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: is not what Brian Dable wants to do. You know, 662 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be the leading Russian team in 663 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: the league. You know, he doesn't want to have two 664 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: tight ends out there or three tight ends out there. 665 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to have Nick Gates reporting as eligible 666 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: as often as he does. He just doesn't want to 667 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: do that. You know, he doesn't. You know, that's not 668 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: his visions of the offense. And and we all know 669 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: why he's doing it. And he's not doing it because 670 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't think Daniel Jones is any good. So what 671 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't you know? He's doing it because they have 672 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: se Quan, they have no wide receivers. I mean, look, 673 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: if if we would have sat here two months ago 674 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, I know what's gonna happen that 675 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay is gonna have two catches for twenty two 676 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: yards and Darius Toni's not gonna have one receiving yard 677 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be six and two. You say, okay, 678 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: turn off his microphone, you know, get him off zoom 679 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: and you know you gotta, you gotta, you know, put it, 680 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: put him in the looney bin. And so you know, 681 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: we get why this is happening. But I still want 682 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: to do that, by the way, but that's that's fine, 683 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: that's fine, go ahead, you got the power, turn it off. 684 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think people, you know. I mean, 685 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: I'll go about my day and your listeners might be 686 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: a little happier, you know. Um um, I don't know. 687 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid that. I don't know what Brian Dable 688 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: and Joe Shane are thinking here. I think they respect 689 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. That you know, he's he's a big, strong guy. 690 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: He's a great company guy. You never you go to 691 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: sleep at night and you never have to worry about 692 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: your phone saying Daniel Jones whatever, you know whatever, except 693 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: maybe he helped the lady across the street or something 694 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: like that. You know what I mean, so, so he's 695 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: perfect in that regard. I think they have very very 696 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: high standards for quarterbacks. You know, they just came out 697 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: of Buffalo with they you know, helped create this monster 698 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: out there, and so I'm not saying he's going to 699 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: be that, but they have very high standards. You know. 700 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if they think Daniel can ever come 701 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: close to that, And and that's why it is so 702 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: frustrating to see him throwing to these guys, because you know, 703 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him try to open it up 704 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: a little more if they could, and then we get 705 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: a better picture of what Daniel is. I don't know. 706 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I will say this. I think 707 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: the giants, you know, the powers that be a look 708 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: around the league and saying, let's put a list together 709 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: of who everyone's got and where we think Daniel fits 710 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: in there, and he fits in there higher than maybe 711 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: you would think. So, um, at this point, if he's 712 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: not here, then who the heck is going to be here? 713 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: So I think you have to weigh that too, you 714 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so I think it you know, 715 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: the finances and all that stuff, we'll see and his 716 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: art said, you know, Luckily we don't have one more 717 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: game here. We got a lot of games to go. 718 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: You know, hopefully it'll be evident. I don't know if 719 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: it will be. Kim Yeah, you know, to me, a 720 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: quarterback can't be incidental to what's going on around him, 721 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: And a lot of times this season I thought Daniel 722 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: was was pretty darn important to what was going on 723 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: with the offense and his execution. He's cut down on turnovers, 724 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: He's won games. You've got to win games as a quarterback. 725 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: Can be a beautiful quarterback with every single metric in 726 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: your favor, and if you don't win, you're not gonna 727 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: last very long in this league. He has turned that 728 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: part of his game around. He is now a win quarterback, 729 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: particularly this season. It is going to be a very 730 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: interesting call because Brian Dable, when they drafted Josh allen 731 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: Um had someone at the entire organization had incredible faith, 732 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: in incredible faith to the point where Brandon being tried 733 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: to tried to draft up or move up in that 734 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: draft to get too overall from Dave Gettleman, who he 735 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: formerly worked with in Carolina, because he was so afraid 736 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: someone else was gonna Josh was going to draft Josh. 737 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: Obviously that trade didn't get made. They sat at seven, 738 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: which was as high as they could get. They get 739 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and now we're all seeing that play out. 740 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: But Brian Dable is used to having a quarterback in 741 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: whom he has great conviction in every part of the game. 742 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: I'm giving you a non answer answer here because I 743 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: simply don't know as I sit here today, how many 744 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: of those boxes Daniel checks for Dable. I know it's 745 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot, and I know it's some significant ones. I 746 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: don't know how in the world they would go into 747 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: next year though, without at least competition, And I understand 748 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: the contract then becomes part of this and everything else. 749 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: It's it is going to be a bit of a 750 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: murky situation coming off of a very good first year. 751 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: I think it remains very important for the Giants, and 752 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: they're showing every every sign that they're going to I 753 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to collapse after this by I 754 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: don't think that. And I think they were smart not 755 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: to take the buye after London by the way, as 756 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: many teams are now doing. But for Brian Davile, what 757 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: boxes and how many does Daniel check? We can't know 758 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: that yet. Well, well, the good thing Joe Shane's talking 759 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: on on Tuesday afternoon, I'm sure I'll give the definitive 760 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: answer to exactly what they're doing with Daniel the season anyway, 761 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: So those whole conversations we moved all right, final final 762 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: topic here, guys, we got about four minutes. Kim, We'll 763 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: start with you biggest concern for the Giants as they 764 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: head into the second half here, and what's top of 765 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: mind for you when you think about this team trying 766 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: to make it into the playoffs. I think probably if 767 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: a big injury, I don't even want to say a name. 768 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to say a position. I don't know, 769 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: I don't never whoever roots for injuries except like awful people. 770 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: Um so I think it would just be a certain injury, 771 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: perhaps a certain injury or two that would kind of, 772 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 1: you know, put them off course, let's put it that way. 773 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: And I very much hope everyone involves stays healthy because 774 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: they're on they're on the right track, and I love 775 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 1: the Giants fans have embraced that idea too, right, Yeah, 776 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, the the injury certainly is one to look at, Im, 777 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: and we we've seen seasons the railed here with with 778 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: big time injuries. Um you know, I'll say I'll say 779 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: the weapons offensively at receiver would concern me over the 780 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: course of the season because, um you know, I think 781 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: teams are gonna start attacking the Giants that the way 782 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: Seattle did, and some teams will have the personnel to 783 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: do it and some teams won't. You know, going against 784 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: Houston and Detroit, I don't necessarily know if anything they 785 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: do is going to prevent this rushing attack. But when 786 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: you get into games against Dallas and Philly, and those 787 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: are games that you need to ride, your entire offense 788 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: needs to rise up. And again, like you said, John, 789 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: where recording is before the trade deadline, I don't anticipate 790 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: a big move at receiver. If that comes, then maybe 791 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: I'll revisit it. But you're not getting Sterling Shepherd back 792 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: this year's receiver. You've already cut ties with Cadarius Tony. 793 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much you can expect from Kenny Golladay. 794 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't see that help coming at wide receiver. 795 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: And I think, like Paul said, is a great point, 796 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: this isn't the offense that Brian Dable would like to run. 797 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: But I think this is the offense that is going 798 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: to be for the remainder of this season because of 799 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: the personnel and because of that, I think that will 800 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: catch up to them against the elite teams that are 801 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: remaining on their schedules, specifically the Cowboys and Eagles. You 802 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: gotta score with those teams, and I don't know if 803 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: the Giants can score with those teams playing the way 804 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: they're forced to play. Paul Um I think, Um, I 805 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: think the defense is gonna hang in, you know what 806 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: I mean. Then they have some deficiencies, but with Wink, 807 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, Wink said against Jacksonville that was the most 808 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: situational football he's ever called in one game ever, which 809 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: is incredible. So literally almost every snap he is okay, 810 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: um this package, that package he's in, he's out. You know, 811 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: he can't just throw guys out there and say, okay, 812 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: just go get him guys, you know. I mean, And 813 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe if Olari comes back and and 814 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: is a better player, you know, and he's healthy, he 815 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: can do a little more of that. But you know, 816 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: I think I trust him to mix and match enough 817 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: with what they have on every level. Um, not loving 818 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: the inside linebackers that much. But you know they can 819 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: figure it out. You know, they don't play a bunch 820 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: of powerhouses. Um sa kan kan um. I think Art 821 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: said it's passing the football. You know, they can't be 822 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: a team that that look. Daniel Belling is not there 823 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future with that eye injury that you 824 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: know sucks the guts out of the tight end position. Um, 825 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 1: it's passing the football. It's easy to say, make these 826 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: guys plays above the X and os, but you know 827 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: these are just guys that that you know, quite frankly, 828 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 1: some of them are really not NFL players or their 829 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: marginal NFL players. And you know Kenny Gollady is gonna 830 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: come back healthy. I mean, he looked darn near shot 831 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: uh this spring and summer. So you know, if he 832 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,479 Speaker 1: contributes something, that's great, but you know he'll be gone 833 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: by the end of this year, you know, not for 834 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: next year. So it's it's I don't see how they 835 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: can figure out a way to be dynamic in any way, 836 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: shape or form throwing the football. And I know, as 837 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 1: it gets colder and sloppy, or you want to run 838 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: the ball more, but how much more can they run 839 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: the ball so um um, it's gonna be a real, real, 840 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, head scratcher for this coaching staff to figure 841 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: out a way to get the ball down the field 842 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: with what they have. Yeah, and I'll close it this. 843 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: I think they've been very good situationally this year on 844 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. And they they even converted 845 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: some third and nine plus is the last couple of 846 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: weeks that really have let the touchdowns. But this wide 847 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: receiver corps that you know, they really shouldn't be doing that, 848 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: but they have. You know, Wink has been so good 849 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: in the in the red zone and certain third down opportunities, 850 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: and they don't really reflect the yard as you're giving up. 851 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if that dichotomy can continue on both sides. 852 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: Will see and if that can, you know, keep them 853 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: in these close games and win as many close games 854 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: as they have is you know, you guys know that 855 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: that tends to even out over the course of the 856 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: year those one score games, and we'll see whether or 857 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 1: not that continues. We thank Kim Jones from w F 858 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: and Art stabled them from the record, Paul Schwartz in 859 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: the New York Post for joining us on this episode 860 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: of the Giant Settle Podcast. Don't forget, Folks, don't miss 861 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: out Giant games second half of the year. Go to 862 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: Giants dot com slash take us to find your game 863 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,479 Speaker 1: this season, Secure your seat and download the Giants TV App, 864 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: the official Giants streaming app for Big Blue fans on Amazon, 865 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: Fire TV, Giants Mobile App, Apple TV, and Roku. It 866 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: is free for the group. I'm John Schmalk. Thank you 867 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: being with us in the John Suttle Podcast. We'll see 868 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: you next time.