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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal. Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: you look at those documents. Can we go back and

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Speaker 1: look at those documents on the floor. Keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents

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Speaker 1: in Donald Trump's desks. What were they doing in the desk?

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Speaker 1: And when you look at these particular things right here

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Speaker 1: at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another

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Speaker 1: secret SCI that stands for Sensitive Compartmentalized Information. These are

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Speaker 1: the biggest secrets the world. If you know, we have

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Speaker 1: heard that Donald Trump's lawyers went through all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: But how could you go and look at that and

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Speaker 1: not think, you know what, that's probably something I should

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Speaker 1: turn back over. What'd you make of that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is it deniable? What is the argue? Can you argue

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Speaker 1: with that? Like? Not? Really? I mean beyond that? And

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Speaker 1: I think, again, I look at what are the most

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Speaker 1: I think that there are a class of people out

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Speaker 1: there who are actually very very adept at defending Trump

445
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Speaker 1: really in any way possible, and they always will gravitate

446
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Speaker 1: to what I would say is like the respectable version.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen that materialize on this case. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it can't possibly. Maybe they'll come up with

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Speaker 1: something I haven't seen in court yet. And to the

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Speaker 1: best of my knowledge, Trump and his defenders are going

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Speaker 1: with what Dan Bongino is basically going with and either

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Speaker 1: insinuating that the documents themselves are fake or that it

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Speaker 1: was egregious to just spread them on the office. So

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Speaker 1: let's give people a preview of what that looks like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love the pictures are showing they're too top secret covers.

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Speaker 1: Top secret covers are covers. And you're assuming, by the

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Speaker 1: way taking the I get is a lot of it's

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Speaker 1: blocks redacted. I'm not stupid, but here's the point here.

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Speaker 1: You know, I dealt with a lot of classified material

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Speaker 1: in the Secret Service too, like motorcade routes and and Brian,

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Speaker 1: I've got news for you. After the motorcade route is

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Speaker 1: run and one hundred thousand people saw the motorcade route,

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Speaker 1: it's not classified anymore. I'm not telling you those documents

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Speaker 1: aren't classified because I'm not a leftist media loser who

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Speaker 1: jumps to conclusions. I'm simply telling you jumping to the

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Speaker 1: conclusion and assuming the FBI's story in the DOJ that

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Speaker 1: it is classified is equally dumb. You know, he's basically

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Speaker 1: saying I don't know if it's classified or not, and

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Speaker 1: his point is not incorrect. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: and you actually said this in terms of the affidavit.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is all the DOJS and FBI's case. Like,

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Speaker 1: that's not how you prosecute in America. Like in America,

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Speaker 1: the defense also gets to have their day in court. Now,

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Speaker 1: the defense has not put a very forthcoming defense in

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Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, and may come up with

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Speaker 1: something in the court. But at this point, you know

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Speaker 1: what Dan is going with, which is basically like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't trust the FBI. I don't trust the FBI either.

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Speaker 1: Would they outright lie about whether these documents are classwid

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Speaker 1: or not? I don't know. I mean, you'd be very risky,

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Speaker 1: right or to do so, because I think they would

482
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Speaker 1: probably get exposed the trial. The other thing is that

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Speaker 1: Trump hasn't really denied that they had material that at

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Speaker 1: least was at one point, yes, highly classified. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even with regard to this photo, he was like, I

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Speaker 1: had all those documents and cartons, so he's not He

487
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Speaker 1: originally was like, well, maybe these weren't even maybe the

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Speaker 1: FBI brought these here, who knew. Who's to say? And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't trust that BI either, But he basically admitted that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had these documents, I just had them in cartons,

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Speaker 1: not on the floor, because he's so triggered by the

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Speaker 1: idea that like they made us off this messy or

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Speaker 1: something that he feels like that's a good place. They

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Speaker 1: just don't have a lot to hang their hat on

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Speaker 1: right now. Basically, and while I understand the strategy and

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Speaker 1: it may be maybe effective to slow things down, muddy

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Speaker 1: the waters, throw out these procedural objections like asking the

498
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Speaker 1: special Master that's happening in the hearing today, it also

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Speaker 1: is giving the government an opportunity to do things like

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Speaker 1: you know, put in this this filing would not have

501
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Speaker 1: happened if it were not for the Trump team's efforts

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Speaker 1: to secure a special Master. So that created an opening

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Speaker 1: for the government to drop this photo lay on a

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Speaker 1: very aggressive case to push back on the talking points

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Speaker 1: that we've been hearing from the Trump people about classification,

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Speaker 1: about how they were greeted with open arms, and they

507
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Speaker 1: were working very cooperatively in all these things. So they

508
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Speaker 1: in a certain way seem to have sort of shot

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Speaker 1: themselves in the foot by opening the door to let

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Speaker 1: the government put in this filing. So we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens in the court hearing today whether the judge had

512
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Speaker 1: indicated that she was likely to side with the Trump

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Speaker 1: team and appoint a special Master, even though potentially it's

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Speaker 1: irrelevant at this point since the government has already gone

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Speaker 1: through all of these documents. We'll see whether she's convinced

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Speaker 1: by the government's case against doing that. And they basically

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Speaker 1: made the case that number one, you know, the fact

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Speaker 1: that that would slow down their ability to kind of

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Speaker 1: go through the review of whether national security was compromised

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Speaker 1: by the fact that these documents have been hanging out

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Speaker 1: at mar A Lago with people potentially around who aren't

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Speaker 1: who shouldn't be seeing that information, so it would slow

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Speaker 1: down that review. And then they also take issue with

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Speaker 1: the idea that Trump even has standing to assert executive

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Speaker 1: privilege in the fact that he is not in the

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Speaker 1: White House currently. So we'll see if she's swayed by

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Speaker 1: those arguments. But ultimately, from a political perspective, it's a

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Speaker 1: different story. From a legal perspective, it seems like the

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Speaker 1: Trump team is struggling to come up with a coherent,

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Speaker 1: innocent narrative of what's going on. I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: Crystal and to the political point. There's so a lot

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Speaker 1: going on there right now too with Joe Biden. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the best things that's frankly happened

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Speaker 1: to the Biden country in quite some time. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with this President Biden is very, very happy to not

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Speaker 1: talk about inflation, to not talk about gas, to not

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00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: talk about the economy, to not talk about the Federal Reserve.

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Speaker 1: All this man has ever wanted to do, and all

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Speaker 1: frankly was ever good at, was talking about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And he is returning to his political roots in the

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Speaker 1: latest midterm campaign rally. Let's take a listen. You're on

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Speaker 1: the side of a mob to the side of the police.

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Speaker 1: You can't be pro law enforcement and pro insurrection. You

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Speaker 1: can't be a party of law and order and call

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Speaker 1: the people who attack the police on January sixth patriots.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it. What are we teaching our children?

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00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: It says that simple, But now it's sickening to see

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00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: the new attacks in the FBI threatening life of law

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Speaker 1: enforcement agents and their families for simply carrying out the

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Speaker 1: law and doing their job. Look, I want to say

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Speaker 1: it as clear as I can, there's no place in

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Speaker 1: this country no place for the dagream the lives of

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Speaker 1: law enforcement no place, no never, period. I'm opposed to

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Speaker 1: defunding the police. I'm also opposed to defunding the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Best thing that ever happened to Joe Biden, Crystal, and

556
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Speaker 1: he's running with it all day long. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there. Return to the very beginning of the campaign.

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Speaker 1: President Biden traveling to Pennsylvania today and to give a

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Speaker 1: prime time speech on what the White House is calling

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Speaker 1: a battle for the soul of the nation. Where have

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00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: I heard that one before? Democracy in peril? The twenty

562
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Speaker 1: twenty last listen, it did work. This is why can

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00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: you blame the man? It's not like he's been all

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Speaker 1: that good at governing. So what do you return to?

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00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: The greatest hits? This is what Trump always did whenever

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Speaker 1: he was in the fight for his election. This is

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Speaker 1: exactly what Joe Biden is doing. And the greatest thing

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Speaker 1: that has ever happened to Joe Biden is the supremacy

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump on the chiron of every news channel

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Speaker 1: in this country, on the top of every newspaper. Because

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Speaker 1: what does it remind you of Trump? And this the

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Speaker 1: more we talk about Trump, the better it is for Biden.

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Speaker 1: Two thirds of the people voted for Biden did not

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Speaker 1: vote for him affirmatively, they voted against Trump. The more

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Speaker 1: that Biden can turn this as a cast against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Now with the Jan six stuff, I generally, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have a slightly different view. I don't really think

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Speaker 1: it had any real impact, but to the extent that

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Speaker 1: it matters, and you pair it then with the FBI investigation,

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Speaker 1: then again it just elevates it even more up to

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Speaker 1: the top and we start talking about things eighteen twenty

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Speaker 1: months ago than what transpired. By the way, in the

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Speaker 1: middle of those twenty months. You know, it's fascinating view

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Speaker 1: of politics because you have these meta political trends which

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Speaker 1: mattered so much in November with Glenn Youngkin, school closure, inflation,

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Speaker 1: all of that. But the moment Trump comes to the four,

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Speaker 1: it's just the most insane thing to me is how

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Speaker 1: this man in his personality can dwarf life expectancy, school closures.

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Speaker 1: I mean, data came out this morning. We have a

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Speaker 1: two decade reversal on school children learning. Is that going

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Speaker 1: to be talked about by some of these Republicans on

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Speaker 1: the campaign trail. No, they're gonna be talking about Trump.

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Speaker 1: It's like, the more that that's all that we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: even Fox Frankly, the more that that is really at

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Speaker 1: the center of mind, yeah, the less it's good for Republicans,

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Speaker 1: that's not all the way to say it. Well. And also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, schools have been open this year, so we've

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Speaker 1: also like COVID as an issue is just not the

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Speaker 1: center of gravity that it was either for the writer

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Speaker 1: for the left, true, and so you know, it's we

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Speaker 1: sort of moved past that cultural moment, which was very

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Speaker 1: beneficial to Glenn Youngkin. I mean, there was there's a

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Speaker 1: new Wall Street Journal poll out this morning that has

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Speaker 1: Democrats gaining and edging out Republicans on the jer ballot,

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Speaker 1: has Biden's approval rating up a bit, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it reflects a lot of things. I think

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Speaker 1: you've got the fact that yes, Trump is back in

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Speaker 1: the news and reminding everybody why they were anxious to

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Speaker 1: get rid of them in the first place, and being

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Speaker 1: the pull arising asshole that he always is and chs

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Speaker 1: generator that that's what he does. So there's that reminder,

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Speaker 1: which is not helpful to Republicans who wanted to make

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Speaker 1: this a referendum on Biden. So that's one number two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, very obviously the Dob's decision that really was

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Speaker 1: the game changing moment in this election. All the trends shifted.

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Speaker 1: The vibe shift starts with the Dobb's decision overturning Roe

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Speaker 1: versus Wade. That gives Democrats something to just hammer the

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Speaker 1: hell out of Republicans on and paint them as extremists,

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Speaker 1: and that ties into their defenses of Trump and January sixth,

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Speaker 1: and all of those things all sort of adds up

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Speaker 1: to this view of the Republican Party of like, these

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Speaker 1: people are really out there and I may not be

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Speaker 1: happy one hundred percent with what's going on. I may

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Speaker 1: feel like the country's on the wrong track, but I

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00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: don't know about letting these people back in charge either.

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Speaker 1: So that was another piece. And then the other thing is, look,

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Speaker 1: Democrats have delivered on a few things lately. You know,

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Speaker 1: they actually got a few things through. That had the

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Speaker 1: pac Act, which delivered for veterans toxic bird pit victims,

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Speaker 1: which has been long due, and they finally got that done.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really significant. The Chips acted Inflation Reduction Act,

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Speaker 1: and now student loan debt relief, which I think has

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Speaker 1: really changed Joe Biden's fortunes with young people, but also

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00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: was very important and very popular among African Americans of course,

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Speaker 1: a key Democratic based constituency as well. So when you

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Speaker 1: add the focus on Trump on top of all of that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it has made it so that and I'm always careful

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Speaker 1: to not overstate the case, it has made it so

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Speaker 1: that Democrats have a shot. Yes, whereas before there was

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Speaker 1: no shot. They were losing the Senate, they were getting

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Speaker 1: wiped out in the House, Republicans were staring down potentially

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Speaker 1: historic margins. Democrats in Biden plus ten districts were shaking

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Speaker 1: in their boots. Now I just saw more ratings changes

644
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Speaker 1: come out this morning, shifting more House districts towards Democrats.

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Speaker 1: They've outperformed and we'll get to this a little bit

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Speaker 1: more in the midterm section. They've outperformed in every single

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Speaker 1: special election. They've outperformed Biden's margin in these district districts

648
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Speaker 1: in every single special election post Dobbs. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised that Biden, who I don't know what like

650
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: drug cocktail mixture they've given him, but he's like a

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Speaker 1: different guy. These past couple of weeks, he's definitely got

652
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of something that he was lacking before.

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Speaker 1: Kind of a smart move that they're leaning into this

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Speaker 1: moment he's doing the primetime speech. Apparently there was a

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Speaker 1: memo that was put together by Jen o'melly Dylan, who

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Speaker 1: is a deputy White House Chief of Staff, and need

657
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Speaker 1: Ha Done, a top communications advisor, and they're sort of

658
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Speaker 1: leaning into this playbook. Biden is expected to trump legislative

659
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Speaker 1: victories that quote, beat the special interests, smart framing there,

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Speaker 1: and attack the extremism embraced by mister Trump and his

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00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: allies boast strategies emphasized in the memo, So really leaning

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00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: into the vibe shift and trying to make the most

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Speaker 1: of it that they possibly can. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: some moves that maybe indicate Biden is I personally am

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Speaker 1: of the view Biden's running for president again. There are

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Speaker 1: other people who don't agree with that, especially since you

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Speaker 1: add a number of Democrats. Carolyn Maloney up in New

668
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: York being like, it's my understanding that he's not running again,

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Speaker 1: so question marks there. But I personally think, especially with

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Speaker 1: his gains and approval ratings, Democrats are going to prop

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Speaker 1: him up, you know, if they possibly possibly can, because

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Speaker 1: they've also got a Kamala Harris problem of you know,

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't run, she's the obvious successor. Would be

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Speaker 1: hard to put her to the side, given her sort

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Speaker 1: of trailblazing historic status. So he did file an update,

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Speaker 1: I guess to his Biden for President committee. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahad and put this up on the screen. Initially, reporters

678
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Speaker 1: really ceased on this of like, oh my god, this

679
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: is it. He's filed for president. The Fox News headline

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00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: says Biden fec filing not a reelection announcement, and official

681
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Speaker 1: says they were updating the treasure on this filing. Is

682
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Speaker 1: my understanding of what was happening here. But you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously he will be in a much much stronger position

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Speaker 1: to run for reelection if they're able to maintain this momentum.

685
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Speaker 1: And it shows you that for Republicans, I mean, this

686
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Speaker 1: is the double edged sword with Trump. His people really

687
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: love him. He's still is very much in the pole

688
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: position to get the Republican nomination, actually stronger than he's

689
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: ever been in his post presidency. He's never been stronger

690
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Speaker 1: than right now to win the nomination, and he's never

691
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Speaker 1: been weaker to win the White House back than he

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Speaker 1: is right now. That's the problem for them. It will

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Speaker 1: be the problem, as I say, until the day he dies.

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Speaker 1: So look, we'll see if I'm Joe. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I personally can't stand this whole everything on the dividing

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Speaker 1: line of Trump. But I have to be honest. We

697
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Speaker 1: have to be honest with people that this is the

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Speaker 1: stuff that frankly matters. Joe Biden has had a terrible record.

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Speaker 1: Last couple of months have been decent for him. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I should give credit where credit is due. He did

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Speaker 1: pass the Chips Act. They have been using the Strategic

702
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Speaker 1: Patrol and Reserve in order to reduce the price of oil,

703
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Speaker 1: which is something I advocated for very strongly, and I

704
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: think it took them far too long in order to

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Speaker 1: do so. They passed the Packed Act, they had the

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Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act. They also had student loan forgiveness. Will

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Speaker 1: don't personally agree with the policy, but will see how

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Speaker 1: it politically shapes out. So these are things I think

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Speaker 1: people get it. What more, what I would say is

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Speaker 1: action always beats in action. That's right, It's a beat

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Speaker 1: because in action. As we know, we had an entire

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Speaker 1: eight month period where in action was the status quo

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans were cleaning up. So they have given

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Speaker 1: themselves a shot. They've definitely shot themselves in the foot

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Speaker 1: with Dobbs. But that's really out of control of the

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Speaker 1: current Republicans. It's been a multi decade project and we're

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Speaker 1: just living in a whole new world. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a big part of it. Yeah, and you mentioned gas prices.

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Speaker 1: It's going down that that should not be overlooked in

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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, things are feeling a little

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Speaker 1: bit better for Democrats right now. That's probably as key

722
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Speaker 1: a thing as as any of them. So and this

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Speaker 1: is let's go ahead and jump into the midterms segment here.

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Speaker 1: So kind of pretty big surprising news we got out

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Speaker 1: of Alaska last night, which is that a Democrat one

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Speaker 1: there at large congressional seat defeating Sarah Palin, the one

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Speaker 1: and only hockey mom herself pit bull. Yeah, and we

728
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Speaker 1: covered this before. Let me just say I wouldn't read

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: too much into this one because there are some very

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Speaker 1: unique dynamics, the number one unique dynamic being that they

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Speaker 1: used ranked choice voting. Sarah Palin and this is a

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Speaker 1: special election. They're actually going to all be on the

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Speaker 1: ballot again in November. Sarah Palin got the most votes

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Speaker 1: in the initial round of balloting, but she is an

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Speaker 1: extremely divisive figure. So Mary Peltola, who is the Democrat,

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Speaker 1: we could go ahead and put this tear sheet up

737
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Speaker 1: on the screen here the Democrat defeats Sarah Palin in

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Speaker 1: Alaska's special House election. Mary Peltola, who actually seems to

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Speaker 1: be very good friends with Sarah Palin, and is it

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Speaker 1: Nick Begich who was the other more moderate Republican. They

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Speaker 1: all seem to be very friendly. The campaign didn't seem

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Speaker 1: to be like really ugly at all, which I also

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Speaker 1: think is a testament to the different dynamics and incentives

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Speaker 1: of ranked choice voting. She sneaks in there because she

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Speaker 1: got the second highest number of votes in the initial

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Speaker 1: round balloting. And then you take the third candidate out,

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Speaker 1: who was this more moderate Republican, And you then look

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Speaker 1: at who picked him, picked who his like his voters?

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Speaker 1: Who did they pick second? A lot of them just

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Speaker 1: didn't vote, A lot of them just picked him, and

751
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Speaker 1: then they fell off. That was it. They weren't going

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Speaker 1: through the rest of these candidates, A bulk of them

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Speaker 1: picked Sarah Palin, but a significant minority picked Mary Peltola.

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Speaker 1: So she ends up then with the edge and beating

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Speaker 1: Sarah Palin in you know, with the ranked choice voting system.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I think the unique dynamics here are ranked

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Speaker 1: choice voting number one and number two, Sarah Palin being

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Speaker 1: Sarah Palin. Very unusual that in a congressional seat you

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Speaker 1: have this kind of well known, like nationally internationally known,

760
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Speaker 1: and very divisive figure. But you know, it does track

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Speaker 1: with the trend of Democrats outperforming in these special elections.

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Speaker 1: It also tracks with the trend of sort of a

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Speaker 1: broader electorate rejecting. Sarah Palin was definitely the more trumpy

764
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Speaker 1: candidate in the mix, so it does track with that

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Speaker 1: as well. The last thing I'll say about this of why,

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Speaker 1: you know, temper your enthusiasm if you're the types of

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Speaker 1: be inclined to be enthusiastic about this, is this turn

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Speaker 1: lasts like three months. They have to do this all

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Speaker 1: again in November, so they're going to rerun for the

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Speaker 1: full term. At that point, it looks like things are

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Speaker 1: sort of falling into place very similarly this time around

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Speaker 1: it's the same folks who will be in the runoff

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Speaker 1: on the ballot next time around, so we'll see how

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Speaker 1: that plays out. But pretty interesting. It's a first time

775
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Speaker 1: in a long time a state wide seat has gone

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Speaker 1: to a Democrat a law in nineteen seventy two. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of wow. So I didn't know it's

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Speaker 1: that long fifty years. Yes, a lot to say about this,

779
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Speaker 1: very interesting. I think the most important one, though, is

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Speaker 1: that rank choice voting has now kind of been awoken

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Speaker 1: to many people in Alaska. Personally, I think there will

782
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Speaker 1: be tremendous pressure on Nick Begich to either drop out

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Speaker 1: of the race next time around or affirmatively tell his

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00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: people to put her second, and that will probably put

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Speaker 1: her over the edge. But I mean, listen, I'm a

786
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Speaker 1: fan of rank choice voting specifically for this reason, which

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Speaker 1: is that it generally moves against the more extreme candidate. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can have a Trump style candidate who's got thirty

789
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Speaker 1: percent of the electorate locked down, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that sixty six percent of people should be subject to

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Speaker 1: that person's extremism. And then people give only two choices,

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Speaker 1: and then people actually get somebody who aligns a little

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Speaker 1: bit more with them, if not perfectly so. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the best thing argument for ranked choice voting, in my opinion,

795
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: is just very straightforward that you can just vote for

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Speaker 1: you get more choices. It opens up the door for

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Speaker 1: potential third party runs and voters can actually just vote

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Speaker 1: for who they prefer without having to worry about do

799
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Speaker 1: all this calculus of like, oh are they going to

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Speaker 1: be a spoiler? And am I throwing the election of

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Speaker 1: this person or that person. It just gives voters a

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Speaker 1: chance to actually rank. Okay, I like this one first,

803
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Speaker 1: and then if not that one, then okay, we'll go

804
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Speaker 1: to this one, and we'll go to that one. And

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Speaker 1: it could really open the door to having more than

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Speaker 1: just the two parties to choose from. In my opinion,

807
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Speaker 1: the best argument it makes parties more local, because then

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Speaker 1: we'll always you know, a Democrat in Alaska is not

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Speaker 1: the same as a Democrat in I don't know, New

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Speaker 1: York City. Right. But then what happens then is that

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Speaker 1: things become super and hypernational. Well, now you could have

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Speaker 1: somebody who votes green and then they're not a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to be a Democrat. They're more aligned

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Speaker 1: with the Democrat than they are Green, but they can

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Speaker 1: quote Green first, then Democrats second. They could vote for

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Speaker 1: who they want, or you could have exact you could

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Speaker 1: have a libertarian candidate who actually you may think would

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Speaker 1: align with the GOP, but maybe they're socially liberal, so

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Speaker 1: they have their libertarian candidate, but then the accident they

820
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Speaker 1: vote Democrat for the second person that you may may

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Speaker 1: have more culturally Republican one, maybe they care more about economics,

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Speaker 1: and then they vote culture second. So this gives more

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Speaker 1: autonomy to the actual voter in the general amount of preferences.

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Speaker 1: That being said, I have no doubt Republicans are going

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Speaker 1: to come a whole hog against ranked choice voting. They're

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Speaker 1: already saying that the election was rigged, and this is

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Speaker 1: a way in order to attack them. I mean, to

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Speaker 1: be fair, like, if you're a maga Republican, ranked choice

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Speaker 1: voting is not good for you. It's not good for

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Speaker 1: you because it's a minority price you have a very

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Speaker 1: strong hard basis support in the Republican Party and not

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Speaker 1: with the rest of the general public. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not good for you, but it is good for democracy

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Speaker 1: and for having more choices, and the other thing that

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Speaker 1: was interesting. This race was at least, as I could tell,

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Speaker 1: so civil like, so friendly. Pell Tola was saying lovely

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Speaker 1: things about Sarah Palin, how she likes her and she

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Speaker 1: respects her and their friends, and then you know she

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Speaker 1: hopes to work together. So that is the other part

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Speaker 1: of this is in ranked choice voting, you have to

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Speaker 1: appeal not just to your hardcore basis supporters, but you

842
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: got to convince the other people's supporters that they should

843
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Speaker 1: rank you second. So you don't want to piss all

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Speaker 1: those people off. So it does just really change the

845
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Speaker 1: incentives in how this all plays out. Of course, Andrew

846
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Speaker 1: Yang the Forward Party, they've made ranked choice voting, you know,

847
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Speaker 1: a key part of what they are pushing across the country.

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Speaker 1: That part of what they're doing I fully fully support,

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Speaker 1: and it really would change some of the dynamics. Alaska's

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Speaker 1: not the only place that has ranked choice voting at

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Speaker 1: this point, but you know, it definitely would shift the

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Speaker 1: electoral landscape and make some other things possible that currently

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Speaker 1: are impossible within the two party system. Correct, Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: get to a couple of these Senate races. So some

855
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Speaker 1: significant developments in Pennsylvania, as John Fetterman continues to struggle

856
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: to recover from his stroke with issues I think with

857
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: speech in particular, but also, he says, auditory issues. He

858
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: has decided not to participate in a scheduled debate. Let's

859
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up on the screen. This

860
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: is from Jonathan Tamari, a reporter that we needs to

861
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: have on Rising all the time. I think fantastic Pennsylvania

862
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: local reporter, he says. Fetterman confirms he won't attend Katie

863
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: Kay's proposed debate, accusing Oz of mocking his stroke. He says,

864
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: quote us from Fetterman, as I recover from this stroke

865
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: and improve my auditory processing and speech, I look forward

866
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: to continuing to meet with the people of Pennsylvania. They'll

867
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: always know where I stand. OZ team has taken the

868
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: gloves off on this stuff and are being extremely i'll

869
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: just say aggressive in how they are framing all of it.

870
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up on the screen,

871
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: so I'll read this whole thing. The Doctor Oz campaign

872
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: released a following list of concessions it's willing to make

873
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: if John Fetterman will agree to debate in one week.

874
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz promises not to intentionally hurt John's feelings. At

875
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: any point, we'll allow John to have all of his

876
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: notes in front of him, along with an earpiece, so

877
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: we can have the answers given to him by his

878
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: staff in real time. At any point, John Ftterman can

879
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: raise his hand and say bathroom break. If the topic

880
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: of his pardoned murderers comes up, we'll allow extra time

881
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: for him explain that the second degree murder is not

882
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: as bad as first degree murder. We'll pay for any

883
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: additional medical personnel he might need to have on standby.

884
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: And here's a quote. The first debate at KATIEK is

885
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: set for one week from today, but there's been no

886
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: response from Lyne Liberal Fetterman. I mean, if I had

887
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: to defend releasing convicted murders not paying my taxes, I'd

888
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: be pretty worried to Yes, John Fetterman is afreid of

889
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: debating doctor Oz. What did you think of the sager? Yeah,

890
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's odd. I have no idea if

891
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: it'll work or not. I've spoken with some people who

892
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: are privy to some polls that I'm not privy to,

893
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: but you never know whether you're being spun or not.

894
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: They claim that it is working that internally they see

895
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: some doubt amongst Pennsylvania voters about his stroke and that

896
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: they want to remind people of it as much as possible.

897
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I could see it going of two ways. On the

898
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: one hand, Fetterman cannot claim that you have problems. In

899
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: his statement, he says, I have problems with auditory processing,

900
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: but that will not affect my job as a senator.

901
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: Come on, dude, that is just stop like, there is

902
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: no chance that one of the most important jobs in

903
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: the United States is not going to be affected by

904
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: your health problems. Now, politically, as to whether that matters

905
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: or not, it's two things. One which is that with Biden,

906
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: the attack on age sometimes worked, sometimes it backfired. Yeah,

907
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: with Fetterman, here's the thing. I'm just going to say

908
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: this kindly. People in Pennsylvania, especially the older folks, probably

909
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: not the healthiest population, so they actually will find some

910
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: kinship with John that he has suffered through a major

911
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: health event. And he actually recently had a rally, a

912
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Democratic rally, and he was like, how many of you

913
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: guys have suffered a health event? You know, the entire rooms,

914
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: which is sad. Sad. I'm not saying it's a good thing. Yeah,

915
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: this is America. Listen, we have a terrible healthcare system.

916
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: That's my entire monologue is about today, about life expectancy,

917
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: specifically amongst older people, fat people, etc. So everybody was

918
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: like I would, and he was like, can you imagine

919
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: a doctor attacking you over your health? And everyone's like,

920
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: oh boo, Now these are people at a fatterman rally.

921
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: You know, you would want to believe that type of

922
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: politics works. My bigger problem with all this is this

923
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: seems generally indistinguishable to me from generic Republican positioning nationally,

924
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: and that's not why I believe doctor Ozz would be

925
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: a good candidate in the first place. And I took

926
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: a look to see who wrote that statement, and lo

927
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: and behold Britney Yannick, who's the current communications director for

928
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: doctor Oz. What was her previous job, Crystal, She worked

929
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: at the Republican National Committee nine months ago as a

930
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: comms director for this is a pure through and through

931
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: GOP standard politicians. She worked at the R and C

932
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: before that. She was direct Deputy Director of Communications for

933
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: the White House under the Trump administration. And before that

934
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: she was just some generic replacement level comms director on

935
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill and the House representative. So I know these people,

936
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: they don't have an original brain in their heads. The

937
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: lying liberal thing and all that very much just tracks

938
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: with generic GOP positioning. If I were Oz, and again

939
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: why I thought he would be very effective is Oz

940
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: was somebody who had a deep emotional connection with people

941
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: on TV that was born of a positive message. And

942
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: now people do vote negatively, but there's a way to

943
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: be positive about the negatives, about bringing ourselves out of

944
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: something terrible. Yeah, and casting Fetterman is a part of

945
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: that horrificness. So how it lands, I don't know. I

946
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: generally have no idea. Yeah, I tend to agree with you,

947
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: and putting the morality of attacking someone who has just

948
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: suffered this horrific health event. I mean, look, it's politics.

949
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: People are going to use whatever they can use to

950
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: try to properly that's a problem. Yeah, I mean that's fine,

951
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: make that case. But you know they're just from a

952
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: political perspective. I think they are going about this in

953
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: a very handhanded way that just feels mean spirited and

954
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: makes John a more sympathetic character. Then there's a way

955
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: to do these and it's not having it come directly

956
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: from the candidate. It's probably more from the campaign, right,

957
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: So like, okay, so again putting my like sleazy political

958
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: operative hat on. The way you do. You leave stuff

959
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: to the press, you get your allies, you get your

960
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: attack docs who are outside of the campaign, so you

961
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: have plausible deniability. And if your doctor Oz, you wear

962
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: your like mister Rogers, America's doctor Gosh, I'm just concerned

963
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: for his health, you know, bless his heart. That's the

964
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: way that that's who you are, that's the character you're

965
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: supposed to be playing. I personally think because the attacks

966
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: feel so sort of like edge, like they have a

967
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: hard edge and they're sort of like mean spirited in

968
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: their approach, it more plays into this idea that doctor

969
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Oz is just kind of this like rich, out of

970
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: touch asshole, versus the impression that you know, a lot

971
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: of TV viewers over a lot of years had of him.

972
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: So it feeds more into that narrative the Fetterman campaign

973
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: has been pushing about who this guy is and what

974
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: he's all about, versus really you know, causing questions for

975
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: voters about Fetterman's health. That's my read on the situation

976
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: that it's not that I don't think the health issues

977
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: could find some purchase and traction if done in the

978
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: right way. It's got to be done a little bit delicately, though,

979
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: and they have not done it delicately at all. And

980
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: you see that this is actually uncomfortable for Oz himself.

981
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: He got asked on a radio local radio interview whether

982
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: it's appropriate for his campaign to make fun of Fetterman's stroke,

983
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: and he said, the campaign's been saying lots of things.

984
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: My position is I can only speak to what saying.

985
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: That's your pro it's your campaign, come on like own

986
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: up to it, or or go in a different direction,

987
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: like again the sleazy. The way you do this effectively

988
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: is you leak stuff to the press. You you know,

989
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: get clips of him that look really bad, and you

990
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: send them to people who your allies. You get them

991
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: spread around, You get the Fox News machine working so

992
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: that you have plausible deniability and you can remain above

993
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: the fray. It's not a good look to look like

994
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: you're just like being mean about somebody who clearly struggled

995
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: through a significant health event. I'm also a little bit

996
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: skeptical about how much these health attacks really work, because

997
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: ultimately people care more about like, how do I feel

998
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: about this person, what's their ideology? Than I mean, the

999
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: Biden age questions didn't that didn't hurt him, John McCain,

1000
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: there were I guess, you know, maybe do you think

1001
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, I don't think that was I don't

1002
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: think that was the problem for him. I don't Taylan

1003
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: was more of the issue for him. So I don't know.

1004
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm a little skeptical of think of Bernie Sanders heart

1005
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: attack and then he comes back and he was never

1006
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: longer than you in the primary. I think we should

1007
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: be honest here, Like fettermans, there are a lot of

1008
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: clips out there and it's not looking so good. I mean,

1009
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: the guy can't debate because you ability can't speak, like

1010
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: that's a big well let me say, let me say

1011
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: this and go ahead and put the next pull up

1012
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: on the screen from Emerson. So Emerson has Fetterment up

1013
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: four over Oz five percent undecided. Much closer pull than

1014
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: some of the other ones we've been seeing recently. I

1015
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: think this is much closer to where this race actually

1016
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: is versus you know, we saw these polls that were

1017
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: pretty skeptical though they were like Fetterman up thirteen it's Pennsylvania.

1018
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that it's going to be a

1019
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 1: close election. And in my opinion, if Oz is able

1020
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: to make a comeback here, which is very possible, very possible,

1021
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: this is still, in my view, a toss up state.

1022
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be more about national mood, inflation,

1023
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: gas prices, feeling the country is on the wrong track

1024
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: than you know, these attempts, which to me feel a

1025
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: little bit desperate about Fetterman's health. I don't know. I

1026
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: have no idea as for as for Fetterman. I think

1027
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: it probably has less to do with Oz and can

1028
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: the man speak by the end of the campaign? I mean,

1029
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: for real, Like honestly, if I were him, I may

1030
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: take a little bit more of a health break and

1031
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: just try and be as good as possible. Most people

1032
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: don't pay attention really until three weeks before election day,

1033
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: so he's got a little bit of time. Apparently he's

1034
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: going to the Hamptons this weekend to go raise some money.

1035
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: Good for him, you know, he's getting himself out there.

1036
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: He did not appear or will not be appearing with

1037
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: Joe Biden scheduling conflicts. He says, I always love that

1038
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, come on, he's unpopular, just say you

1039
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: don't want to appear next to him. So that's But

1040
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: Jos Shapiro is, which I also find kind of interesting.

1041
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't really know why he would choose to do so,

1042
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: but Fetterman wouldn't. Maybe is a different poll. I have

1043
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: know idea how it's good. Yeah, so it's interesting. Nonetheless, yeah,

1044
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't know personally. I mean, I wouldn't do it.

1045
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it's very risky strategy. Could it

1046
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: be effective? The people who are claim there in the

1047
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: note say it is. They couldn't be spinning me. I

1048
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: have no idea. Again, I think there's a way it

1049
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: could be done that might be more effective this. I

1050
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: feel like they're just making him into a more sympathetic figure.

1051
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: And as much as I would like the like they

1052
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: won't debate me attacks, I would like it if those

1053
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: attacks work. I think those attacks should work. I think

1054
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: we should have a requirement constitutionally that candidates have to

1055
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: debate and have to take questions from the press, and

1056
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: so that they really have to sort of prove themselves

1057
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: and put themselves out there. But I don't think it

1058
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: really works, and that actually gets us to our next yes,

1059
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: which is the shoe was on the other foot of

1060
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: down in Georgia Herschel Walker and Raphael Warnock. Warnock, of

1061
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: course then come in Democrat, trying to hold onto his

1062
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: seat from a challenge from Herschel Walker. Walker has struggled

1063
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: at times to answer questions very effectively or make himself

1064
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: very clear about what his positions are, what he believes

1065
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: in all of these things. In this race, it's Walker

1066
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: who is trying to avoid having any debates. Here's the

1067
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: latest pulling there which shows it as tight as it

1068
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: could possibly be. Now, this is from Schaffalgar, which is

1069
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: a more right leaning polster. They you know, in some

1070
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: of the states in twenty twenty they were fairly close,

1071
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: and some they did overstate the Trump support. But you know,

1072
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: I take seriously what their polls say, and they've got

1073
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: Walker up by a point on Warnock with three percent undecided.

1074
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: So again I think this race is as close as

1075
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: it possibly could be. And you know, again Walker sort

1076
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: of struggling to communicate what his views are and how

1077
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: he sees the world and has had some real stumbles

1078
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: and gas, the latest one being he got asked actually

1079
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: about his mental fitness and whether he was up to

1080
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: the job, and this was part of his response was

1081
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: to take a listen personal Walker is still standing. My

1082
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: bike is not bent, so rayn't one can ride my

1083
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: bike like he's seen to have Chuck Schumer and Joe

1084
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: Biden riding his bike because he's seemed to be voting

1085
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: for whatever they say one thing about men. I represent

1086
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: the people of Georgia. That's the reason I got into

1087
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: just raise. It had nothing to be trying to be

1088
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: a politician because I'm not, so that's what's going on there. Yeah,

1089
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I feel the same way I kind

1090
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: of do about Fetterman. It seems skivy, But look, it's

1091
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: well known that these guys are subject to a hell

1092
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: of a lot of brain injury and that over the

1093
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: lifetime that causes erratic behavior, memory loss, slowness whenever you talk,

1094
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: and a general feeling of like, hey, what's wrong with

1095
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: that guy? Don't have to say that isn't the case

1096
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: with many people who are inviters. Many people who work

1097
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: in foot have been in football, you know, over the years, boxers,

1098
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: et cetera. So it seems to be the case if

1099
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: I were Walker I wouldn't debate. I mean, after all

1100
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: this stuff, he's he's got barely a chance in hell. Okay,

1101
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: that's not fair. Let's say he's got a thirty five

1102
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: to forty percent chance. I mean, what would I do?

1103
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: I would just bet like hell on the national environment. Yeah,

1104
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: try not to open my mouth, get Trump to stump

1105
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: for me, and bring out as many Republicans impossible, and

1106
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: then pray like hell that you win on election Day.

1107
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a particularly good candidate. This is

1108
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: just what you hope for. This is just that reality.

1109
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Odds and Walker are kind of the two

1110
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: emblems of Republican candidate quality issues. But that being said,

1111
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: I mean he's still got a chance, very good chance.

1112
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: So I would put Georgia at a true toss up.

1113
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: I think Walker actually has a better chance to win

1114
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: in Georgia than Oz has to win in Pennsylvania based

1115
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: on the polling that we've seen so far. And it's

1116
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: not just this strafalg Or pole. There's another pole that

1117
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: just came out that had it basically the same of

1118
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: the two of them really neck and neck within a

1119
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: point or two points of one another. So I do

1120
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: think this is one that's just going to come down

1121
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: to national environment, how people are feeling right then and there.

1122
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I would like it if Canadate quality

1123
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: mattered more in these races, and you know, if policy

1124
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: matted more, and all of those sorts of things. But

1125
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: I do think you're going to see a real national

1126
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: referendum kind of a dynamic. And you know, I think

1127
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: also highlighting some of these polls shows you, even though

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00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: we talked a lot today about how there has been

1129
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: a vibe shift, that Democrats have a shot now where

1130
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have a shot. I mean even for control

1131
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: of the Senate, which is seen as Democrats are more

1132
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: likely to keep control of the Senate than they are

1133
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: to whole control of the House. This thing is perched

1134
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 1: on a knife edge. It could truly go either way.

1135
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: You could have Democrats makings you could have them picking

1136
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: up the seed in Pennsylvania holding what they have, picking

1137
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,959
Speaker 1: up even potentially the seed in Wisconsin. You could have Republicans,

1138
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, not just getting control, but being able to

1139
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: surpass that and make significant gains. So it really is

1140
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: as close as it could be. And you know, now

1141
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: we're going into Labor Day weekend, this is sort of

1142
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: like the official start of the hot campaign season. This

1143
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: is also when polsters start to shift from their registered

1144
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: voter models to their likely voter models. Those usually favor

1145
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: Republicans more. So we'll see how that changes the dynamics.

1146
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: But you can see here none of these races have

1147
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: been put away by any of the candidates involved. Absolutely correct.

1148
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Jackson, Mississippi. This is just

1149
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: a horrible situation. So Jackson, Mississippi, of course, the capital

1150
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: of that state, home to hundreds of thousands of people,

1151
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: is without water. They had significant flooding of the Pearl River,

1152
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: which runs through the city, overwhelmed their water treatment facilities.

1153
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: So and this is a system that has been struggling

1154
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: for years and years. They actually had a winter storm

1155
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: last year that also crippled the system and left their

1156
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: residents without safe drinking water. Now they're in the situation

1157
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: where you know, at times, not only is the water

1158
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: not safe to drink and you have to boil it.

1159
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: By the way, they've been on a boiler for a month. Yeah,

1160
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: this didn't just have it down first, right exactly. So,

1161
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: not only is that water not safe to drink at times,

1162
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: they just have not had water to the point that

1163
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, they had to close the university that's based there,

1164
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: They've had to close the schools, and they were concerned

1165
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: about literally not having water to fight fires. So state

1166
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: of emergency has been declared. Governor of that state, Tate

1167
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: Reeves had this to say about the situation. The city

1168
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: cannot produce enough water to fight fires, to reliably flush toilets,

1169
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: and to meet other critical needs. The Mississippi Emergency Management

1170
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: Agency will take the state's lead on distributing drinking water

1171
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: and non drinking water to residents of the city of Jackson.

1172
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: So that's from the governor now the mayor of this city.

1173
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: And I think it's worth saying that this is a

1174
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: majority black and a highly impoverished city, and the mayor

1175
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: is a self described socialist. So there's been some tension

1176
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: between the mayor and the Republican government over the years,

1177
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And so you know, for example,

1178
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: at that press conference right there with Tate Reeves, the

1179
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: mayor was not invited to be part of that press conference,

1180
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: which I think is just like petty and means spirited personally.

1181
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: And also this has been a problem for the city

1182
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: for years and years and the state has not given

1183
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: them the funds to be able to deal with it,

1184
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: which I think is absolutely unconscionable. So here's what the

1185
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: mayor Choque La Mumbai, I think is how you say

1186
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: his name. Here's what he had to say about the situation.

1187
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: What our focus is is a focus on a coalition

1188
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: that works together, a coalition that is arm in arm,

1189
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: making sure that we work towards the residence of Jackson

1190
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: and making it certain that we can conclude these challenges.

1191
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: We need an overhaul of our water treatment facility. In

1192
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: all actuality, a new water treatment facility would be in

1193
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: order because the water treatment facility we have has never

1194
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: functioned optimally and has had challenges from the moment that

1195
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: it was created. So here's where we are. Let's go

1196
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: ahead and put this Mississippi Today article up on the screen. So,

1197
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, this water treatment plant has only

1198
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: been operating at partial capacity for a while. From more

1199
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: than a month, the city has been under a state

1200
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: Health Department issued boil water notice. It boggles my mind

1201
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: that an American city can go a month on a

1202
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: boil nose and it doesn't even make the national news.

1203
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: That is an unconstable failure to start with. Add to

1204
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: that the fact that, yes, everyone knew that this problem

1205
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: was going to reoccur. This is not the first infrastructure

1206
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: issue that they've had, it's not the first water issue

1207
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: that they've had. As I mentioned before, they had that

1208
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: winter storm just last year. And the government, the governor

1209
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: still has not laid out any sort of long term

1210
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: fix for these issues. So saying, Okay, we're going to

1211
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: truck in the water, going to bring in the National Guard,

1212
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: We're going to get it back online as soon as

1213
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: we can, but in terms of actually fixing the system,

1214
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: still no word. And you know, some of the questions

1215
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: have been asked here because Mississippi did Soger get a

1216
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: bunch of money from the Infrastructure Act, So what the

1217
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: hell is going on with that? Apparently the city after

1218
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: that snowstorm in twenty twenty one, asked for forty seven

1219
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: million to try to get ahead of this crisis, and

1220
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: they were given three million. And the reality is the

1221
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Infrastructure Bill dedicated two hundred and thirty eight million dollars

1222
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: for water infrastructure, and only seventy five million in this

1223
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: type of funding for the entire state for the year

1224
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, as the mayor says that it

1225
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: will probably take a billion dollars to fix, to actually

1226
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: fully fix this entire water system. Now, anytime you have

1227
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: a round number like that, you have to assume this is,

1228
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a back of envelope calculation, but

1229
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: nowhere near adequate funds have been devoted to this. And

1230
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: then think about, you know, how many billions of dollars

1231
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: did we just send casually to Ukraine and we've got

1232
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: citizens of American city who cannot drink the water or

1233
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: flush their toilet. H that's unconscionable. You know, you and

1234
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: I did. I just checked March fifth, twenty twenty one.

1235
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: It's crystalin Sager. Media ignores Jackson, Mississippi missing water for

1236
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: two weeks. So it's not like people didn't know. We knew.

1237
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: I've been talking about that. I mean, you know, I'm

1238
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: not going to say I've been following the story day

1239
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: in and day out. But the moment I saw it,

1240
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I remember Jackson. We did a

1241
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: whole story yeah at water before, and this is the

1242
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: same thing. So it's like Flint all over again. Right,

1243
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: Flint didn't just happen it was a multi year process,

1244
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: a lot of corruption. Nobody had ended up going to

1245
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: jail for basically, you know, a criminality, what all the

1246
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: way up and down the chain in terms of abstruction,

1247
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: corruption than following. Yes, it's completely insane Jackson, same thing.

1248
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: Won't be surprised. Unfortunately, if this takes years, there'll be embezzlement,

1249
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, once the funds actually do reach it. It's

1250
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: literally the capital apparently that doesn't mean anything. Yeah, it's

1251
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: just that's happened in a wealthy area. How fast it

1252
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, And I think that that is always

1253
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: the perfect critique that I'm absolutely willing to go for,

1254
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: which is that look from these people have been forgotten.

1255
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: It's been a down it's been a downwardly mobile area

1256
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: for decades. I remember that whenever we were doing this

1257
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: about how the population continues to shrink, so they have

1258
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: low tax base, which means that they can't fund anything

1259
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: in the city or the state doesn't want to give

1260
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: them anything, and so it just continues to go down, down,

1261
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: down and down. And no capital of any American state

1262
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 1: should look like this, but capital side, no city should

1263
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: look like those city state. There's no area. It's indefensible. Yeah.

1264
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: President Biden, to his credit, has said that he's pledged

1265
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: to fix it. How much actually the FEDS can do

1266
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: in this case, I don't know. It's not like Obama

1267
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: did a hel a lot of flint, so you know,

1268
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: start going there. And he went there and covered for

1269
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: the corrupt administration, is what he did? I mean drinking water. Oh,

1270
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't worry about it. Hopefully we can

1271
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: muster a better response this time around. But I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: hold my breath. I mean, this is really it's another

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Speaker 1: sign of who matters and who doesn't in our society.

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Speaker 1: It's another sign of sort of national decline that we

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Speaker 1: had allowed this kind of situation to unfold, totally preventable,

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Speaker 1: totally predictable for our citizens. It's just an absolute like

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Speaker 1: we should be ashamed as a nation. We should be

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Speaker 1: utterly ashamed as a nation. Absolutely. Okay, let's move on here.

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Speaker 1: Media story. This one is really really interesting. So let's

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Speaker 1: gohea and put it up there on the screen, which

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Speaker 1: is that it's now been revealed the Washington Post is

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01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: now not profitable for the first time in years. Probably

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01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: the New York Times tear sheet up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: By the way, what I found funny, Crystal and the

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: Post people were very upset about this is the Times

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01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: not only published his story, they also did a push

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Speaker 1: note of vocation to everybody's phone, just as a little

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: bit of a screw you to their marre in this

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: peace two that, by the way, the New York Times

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01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,959
Speaker 1: subscriptions have continued to expand. That's very true. And let's

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: actually go into the numbers, because this is fascinating. So

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01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: the Washington Post is losing money in twenty twenty two.

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01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: After years of profitability, the Post has now fewer than

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: three million paying digital subscribers that it had hailed internally

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: near the end of twenty twenty and the Post fell

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: to roughly seventy million dollars in revenue for the first

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Speaker 1: half of the year, fifteen percent lower already than the

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Speaker 1: first half of twenty twenty one. All of this is

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Speaker 1: ascribed to what no more Trump, no more good for business.

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01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: And the truth is is that the news media, the

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01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: news media business in terms of politics, has been suffering

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: now for two years. Accepting us truly over here, of

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01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: which I'm actually incredibly proud of. The reason why is

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01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: that all of these companies have effectively had to turn

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01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: to non news sources to make money, and The Post

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01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: thought that people cared so much about Trump, specifically these

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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: liberal resistance types, that they would continue to pay for

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01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: actual information whenever he was gone off of the page.

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: All of the democracy dies in darkness branding and all

1310
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: of that did not save them. Whenever Trump ultimately disappeared,

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01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: at least for a while, off of the American political

1312
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: scene and rescue them. Maybe it will, but that ain't

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01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: something that you should be betting your entire business model on.

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: What really comes through in this article is a couple

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01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: of things. Number One, you guys will remember Felicia Samnez Gate,

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01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: which is that The Post for some reason just seems

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01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: to have a very tough time asking its employees to

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: do something and them complying. So they have a policy

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01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: where they want their people to come into the office

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01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: three days a week, but apparently huge swats of of

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01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: their reporters are like, no, I don't want to do that.

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, you can support it if you want,

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: but I think it's crazy that the boss is so

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01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: afraid of firing or even reprimanding these individuals. He won't

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01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: do it. In written form and what's it called because

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't want it to get Also like, yeah, that's

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: not really the problem for the post. Oh people aren't

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01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: in the office enough. I mean, and that's part of

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: the issue. Like that comes through in this thing, is

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01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: like this dude is focused on all the wrong thing.

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: He's measuring like how many meetings they're having and stuff,

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01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: as if that's the problem with the Washington Yeah. Also,

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: where's Jeff Bezos's brilliant business acumen and what's going on here?

1334
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: Why isn't he intervening to come up with a better

1335
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: business model for these people? That's actually a great question. Yeah,

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is under his watch that has

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01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: gone from being highly profitable too not well so, they

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01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: weren't profitable whenever he bought it, and it became profitable.

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01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: His whole idea was that we will create a back

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01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: end system of which we can license other reports or

1341
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: other papers. I think it's made some money. I don't

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01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: think it's made a hell of a lot of money.

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01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: I think it makes more money than whenever he bought it.

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01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: It'd been losing money for a long time. But yeah,

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, at the end of the day,

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01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: what they point to is like Bess basically lost interest.

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, whatever, And you know, every once in

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01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: a while he used to apparently log on for a

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01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: weekly meeting. He doesn't do that anymore. He's hanging out

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: in Sun Trepez. You know who amongst us isn't doing that.

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: So Bezos lost interest in his vanity project to get

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01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: a super yacht, owned it for nine years. Yeah, he's

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01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: retired from Amazon. He's been hanging out with his girlfriend

1354
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: so and taking Instagram photos. So that's what his priority

1355
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: seems to be. He no longer really cares about the

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: reputational laundering, and he apparently has made it known that

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01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: he's not very happy now. What that means is that

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01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: they are looking to fire a hell of a lot

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: of people at the Washington Post, which is certainly something

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01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty two age, just considering the boom

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01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: that these people experience. And I think Josh Barrow had

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: a really interesting write up. Let's put this up there

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01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: on the screen, he says, to my digital revenue dies

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01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: in drumitness. Really, what he points to is that the

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01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: Post at the end of the day refused to pivot

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: to lifestyle type content, which floats these quote unquote news

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01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: organizations in the downtimes, and he points to the New

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01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: York Times buying Wordle. The New York Times people don't

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01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: know this. They make more money off of their subscription

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: for cooking, for crosswords and games, then for news. The

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: crossword and the cooking section floats the reporters, not the

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01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: other way around. It's a lifestyle brand. Now that's a

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01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: problem politically and socially personally. I think, you know, with

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01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: everybody thinks having a time subscription like makes you a

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: better person. I listen to the Daily I'm so informed.

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: But from a business perspective, great idea, right add on

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: NYT people are obsessed with that New York Times cookbook.

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01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's fine. I don't really get

1379
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: what Those podcasts have been very successful too. That podcast

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: been a boom. They've got documentary deals I think with FX.

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01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: But they're very entrepreneurial, is what I'll say. They understand

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01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: that their lifestyle brand. They're willing to lean completely into it.

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01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: They know that their Wordle paying subscribers are people who

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01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: would never even read a Maggie Haberman piece at the time,

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: and they don't care because they'll take your money either way. Also,

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: they make it very difficult to cancel, which I think

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01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: is hilarious. You have to call, Yeah, they won't just

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01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: let you cancel your membership. So they have all kinds

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01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: of way of locking people in and up selling folks

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01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: as well. But the Post thought that people would pay

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: for only political news. Well, unfortunately for them, only political

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: news that's really just not that much of a differentiated

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: product at this day and age. If the Post wanted

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: any success, their democracy dies in the Darkness stuff would

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: have had to pivot exactly like The Times did to gaming,

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: to crosswords, to cookbooks to podcasts. They haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to do any of that. Yeah, well, and that's what

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01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: Barrel points to. It's like, you know, I thought it

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01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: was a no brainer for The Post to buy wordal Yeah,

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: and then New York Time sweeps in and does it.

1401
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: So it's sort of basic business sense, like putting the

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: politics of it aside. You got to diversify, as you

1403
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: can't put all your eq one basket, and they clearly did.

1404
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: They thought, you know, that the resistance surge in new

1405
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: subscriptions was indefinite, that it would just grow and grow

1406
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: and grow, that it was all that they needed to

1407
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: bet on, and as as you know, cable news is

1408
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: finding as well, that's just simply not the case. Now.

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01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: All that being said, as I mentioned before, trump'skind of

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01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: back at the center of everything, So never know, may

1411
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: work out for them still, I probably will, which makes

1412
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: me sad because I don't want Bezos to win, but

1413
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: I will enjoy watching. What I enjoy here is the

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: sanctimony which these people think of folks like us and

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,480
Speaker 1: frankly anybody who's not in the establishment media is unbelievable.

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01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: And to see them and be able to point to

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: the next time I ever run into them when they're

1418
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: trying to lecture me, is like, yeah, how's your business doing?

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, it's about

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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: what people want and people don't want you. And I

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01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: think that's a very profound statement. So anytime the market

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: actually does align and show these people that you know,

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: becoming ideological is actually not good for business, even for

1424
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: the Times. I mean, the fact that you have to

1425
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: float your news organization on cookbooks, that's kind of embarrassing.

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that doesn't work, but that's not how

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01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: it was envisioned. I would edit that. I don't think

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01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: the problem is becoming ideological. I think the problem is

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: becoming blinded by partisans, values, principles, being honest about those

1430
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: things and what's going on with regards to that. I

1431
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: don't think that's an issue. I think the issue is

1432
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,839
Speaker 1: that so much of the of their coverage just focused

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01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: on this one individual. And you know, as much as

1434
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: like the cult of personality around Trump is like disturbing

1435
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: and authoritarian and reminds you of North Korea, the opposite

1436
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: of that was equally pernicious and gets back to what

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: we were saying about Trump is the dividing line in

1438
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: our society is a very bad thing, and it made

1439
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of reporters buy a lot of stories, buy

1440
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot of lies, propagate a lot of lies that

1441
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: ultimately destroyed their credibility. And then once that guy is

1442
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: less central to our politics, well, guess what you remember

1443
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: their Mueller book, their book that they sold all across

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01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: the country of the Muller Report illustrated. Yeah, the graphic novel.

1445
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: I should buy that for this Oh that's a great

1446
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: and they need some money. Maybe we'll buy it. We'll

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: help them out, great charitable Okay, all right, Well, The

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01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: most stark metric that exists in a civilized society is this,

1449
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: are we living or are we dying? It sounds trite,

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: but it became a given and the Western society after

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: the Second World War that life expectancy would just simply

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01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: rise over time with technological progress, more technology, more pills,

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: more medical breakthroughs, longer life right. Well, for a while,

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01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: that mostly did hold throughout the boom years of the

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: US economy, but a darker story started to take hold

1456
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands as the heart of America

1457
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: began to slowly erode. It took a decade for the

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: consequences of Iraq, the financial crisis, globalization, and the slow

1459
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: rolling opioid crisis to finally manifest in data. The very

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: first hints at what was happening showed up in twenty fifteen,

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,560
Speaker 1: when for the first time in many years, life expectancy

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01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: in the United States declined just slightly seventy eight point

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01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: nine years to seventy eight point eight. Yes, it was

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01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: a blip, but it was a flashing red light to

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01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: people who read just a little bit further, and they

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01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: realized that the age adjusted death rate in the US

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: also it increased from seven hundred and twenty four deaths

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: per one hundred thousand to seven hundred and thirty three

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. That year is when everything started to accelerate.

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Speaker 1: Most people didn't even take notice in twenty fifteen, and

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01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: it continued with business as usual. But then in twenty sixteen,

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of the twenty sixteen election, where the

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01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: opioid crisis became a flashpoint in the data. It shocked

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: the entire world. Life expectancy in the United States officially

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: declined seventy eight point nine years to seventy eight point

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01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: eight in the course of one year. The worst part

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01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: was that the debts, especially rose amongst those aged less

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: than sixty five. Cause of death was up across the

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:30,919
Speaker 1: board Alzheimer's respiratory disease, kidney disease, diabetes, opioid related deaths,

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01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: and sadly, suicide. From that point forward, the same headline

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Speaker 1: every single year, life expectancy declines again and again. One

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: of the most realizations was the prolonged trend of life's

1483
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: expectancy decline was the worst the United States had seen

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighteen and World War One. That was when

1485
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: we had the Spanish flu and that was in twenty seventeen.

1486
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: That was the first year where data from the drug

1487
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: overdoses rose so starkly, and they counted amongst the main

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: causes of death for people under the age of sixty five,

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: on top of systemic health effects I already mentioned. Now,

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01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: the reason I'm taking you through this history is because

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: it's important to set the table before COVID hits. Before

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01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: it happened, we were already not just sick, but deeply sick,

1493
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: the sickest designation in one hundred years. And then came

1494
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 1: a disease that disproportionately killed the unhealthiest amongst us, the fattest,

1495
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: the old, the sick. We then responded to that disease

1496
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: with policies that exacerbated other causes of death, skyrocketing opioids

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: during the lockdown, as well as massive increase in alcohol

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01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: and drug abuse and obesity. The Butcher's Bill is now

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: in full view, and the results are heartbreaking. US life

1500
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: expectancy between twenty twenty and twenty twenty one dropped by

1501
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: three full years in the United States, the largest two

1502
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: years sustained drop in over a century. Now, of course,

1503
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic was a big part of the drop, and

1504
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: that's what the media is focusing on. But when you

1505
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: dig deeper into the data, you see an acceleration of

1506
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 1: the multifaceted picture. Pandemic disproportionately killed the old and the sick.

1507
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: That was a given. The acceleration though, of terrible health

1508
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: conditions and substance abuse, is just as big, if not

1509
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: a bigger story. The major non pandemic related causes of

1510
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: death include heart disease, chronic liver disease, cirrhosis, accidental death,

1511
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: drug overdose. Consider all of those, every single one has

1512
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: been accelerating Western society over the last two decades. Heart

1513
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: disease afflicts the obese, liver disease and cirrhosis major sign

1514
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: of alcohol abuse, accidental death and drug overdose, of course,

1515
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: driven by fentanyl crisis, all across the country. In fact,

1516
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: for young people, amongst whom the decline is accelerating, the

1517
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: cause is even more stark. Fentanol is now the leading

1518
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: cause of death for people in the prime age of

1519
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: their lives from eighteen to forty five. Previously, it was

1520
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: thought to be simply accidental deaths like car accidents. The

1521
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: reason it's important to understand this slowlow in catastrophe is

1522
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: to reject any media framing of this phenomenon. It's not

1523
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: the pandemic. The trends were already here. The pandem wiped

1524
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: out the most vulnerable amongst us. But there are a

1525
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of people who might have survived

1526
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: COVID but are on their way to a coffin a

1527
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: lot earlier than they should be. This will be the

1528
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: central fight for our civilization in the next twenty years. Already,

1529
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: the media is billing this as a COVID only story,

1530
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: pointing to the fact that life expectancy also dipped in

1531
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three because of the AIDS crisis. The facts, though,

1532
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: of course, show that life expectancy was well declining ahead

1533
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: of COVID. If it had to bet, I would say

1534
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two will only continue to bear this story out,

1535
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: as will twenty three, twenty four, and years and years

1536
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: to come. Societies that find themselves in this predemic predictament

1537
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: rarely come out well. Already, the data shows over the

1538
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 1: last several years it is those at the lowest socioeconomic

1539
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum, uneducated men specifically, who are dying

1540
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: at a much faster rate, while the life expectancy in

1541
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: the top five percent of American income not only increasing,

1542
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: but is almost ninety years old. Just think about that,

1543
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 1: the gap in sheer life lived between the richest and

1544
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: the poorest. Inequality isn't just about money, It's about our

1545
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: very lives now. As venture capitalist Bology Shreen of Austin

1546
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: points out, the Soviet Union also saw a precipitous drop

1547
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,560
Speaker 1: in life expectancy right before its demise, when life expectancy

1548
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: for men in the Soviet Union fell from a high

1549
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 1: of sixty five years in nineteen eighty seven to fifty

1550
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: seven years in nineteen ninety four. In fact, further analysis

1551
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: of Russian life expectancy shows that the years leading up

1552
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: to the Soviet collapse, for the last few decades, life

1553
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: expectancy was creeping down. Life expectancy is one of those

1554
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: figures which does not care about your theories or individual proclivities.

1555
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 1: If it's up, things are good. If it's down, things

1556
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: are bad. But to move forward, the hardest part is

1557
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 1: we have to not only acknowledge it's bad, but then

1558
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: dig really, really deep to fix it. Trends like these

1559
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: are so big they actually feel like a goliath. The

1560
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 1: reality is though you can turn it around. Seventy six

1561
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: years is not great for life expectancy, but it's still

1562
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,959
Speaker 1: pretty damn high. Drug overdose accelerated have over a decade.

1563
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 1: That means, though if you do it well and you

1564
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: go for it, maybe you can reduce them over a decade.

1565
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: Obesity two is one that yes, of course it's here

1566
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: to stay, no question. But if you throw everything at

1567
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: the wall and you nip it in the butt, especially

1568
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: for the generation of children, then thirty or forty years

1569
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: from now we can reap the rewards if we don't

1570
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: decline as our destiny. But it is not inevitable. It

1571
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,839
Speaker 1: is a choice, and I hope that we reject that choice.

1572
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: That's really what comes through. We're sick, it's deeply sick.

1573
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean to have a three and of course, and

1574
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue,

1575
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. Chris all,

1576
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well? Guys? Back

1577
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,839
Speaker 1: in Bill Clinton's nineteen ninety sixty To the Union address,

1578
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: he famously declared that the era of big government was over, well,

1579
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: not exactly correct, given then at least the defense spending

1580
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: part of the government certainly continuously balloons. His works words

1581
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: marked the official death of the already decaying New Deal era,

1582
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: and his words affirmed that the new bipartisan arrow would

1583
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: be marked by privateation, deregulation, stripping the government of capacity,

1584
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: ceding governance to market wisdom, and imbuing an americans belief

1585
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: that the government was ultimately incapable of making their lives better.

1586
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: For Clinton and other ambitious climbers of his era, the

1587
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: future was neoliberalism, and they prospered politically on a personal

1588
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: level by placing their bets on deference to business and

1589
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: to the markets. Well, today, another ambitious climber has designs

1590
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: on the presidency and his finger in the wind. After

1591
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: surviving a recall, Gavin Newsom, governor of California, is placing

1592
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: some big policy bets in that state, hoping to use

1593
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: his achievements to launch a national campaign, and so far,

1594
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: although his ambitions are still limited very much by his

1595
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: fealty to the donor class, it is striking what a

1596
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: break the California agenda is with the old Clinton ways.

1597
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: On climate, healthcare, possibly on labor. California is embracing a

1598
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: muscular role for government and carving out a larger share

1599
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: for labor. Altogether, it could put the Golden State front

1600
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: and center, charting a new left alternative to liberalism. And

1601
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: if it fails, well, a lot more people are probably

1602
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: going to move to Texas. So here's what's going on.

1603
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: First off, California might have seen this is making big

1604
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: moves on electric vehicles. Governor Knewsom recently signed a provision

1605
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: into law which would require one hundred percent of new

1606
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: vehicle purchases to be carbon neutral by the year twenty

1607
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: thirty five. Now, in some census, this was an easy

1608
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: one for the California governor, even though it does sound

1609
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: quite bold, because the public was supportive and industry was

1610
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: also supportive. Automakers were already making aggressive moves towards EV's

1611
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: The big three automakers here have been working aggressively to

1612
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: secure the necessary raw material so they can phase in

1613
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 1: electrics and phase out gas powered vehicles, with hopes that

1614
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: the former will be made more affordable at scale and

1615
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: with the supply chain kinks worked out. Now the new

1616
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: California law, it's going to phase in over time to

1617
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: that full carbon zero requirement by twenty twenty six, thirty

1618
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: five percent of cars have to be ev and by

1619
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: twenty thirty that number rises to sixty eight percent. The

1620
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: car buying public there is actually well on their way.

1621
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 1: About fifteen percent of new car sales in California this

1622
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: year in the first quarter have already been electric. Got

1623
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: no doubt, given sky high gas prices in the state,

1624
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 1: that those numbers are going to continue to soar. The

1625
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: state also has the most built out network of car

1626
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 1: charging stations, so while that's still an issue, they're in

1627
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: a better position than any other state in the nation.

1628
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: What's more, California has long set the national standard on

1629
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: car emissions. Fifteen states have already backed California's move, in

1630
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: about four more looking to follow suit. When you put

1631
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: all these states together in the market power they command,

1632
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: California's new law may well make evs the de facto

1633
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: law of the land. Now, there are a lot of

1634
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: big question marks on this policy, though, First of all,

1635
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: will this essentially amount to attacks in the middle class? Today,

1636
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 1: electric cars are significantly more expensive than gas powered vehicles.

1637
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: The Inflation Reduction Act does include tax credits to try

1638
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: to make these vehicles more affordable, but more definitely needs

1639
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: to be done to make electric cars a reasonable purchase

1640
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 1: for far more people. Second, automakers are facing a massive

1641
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: multi hundred thousand backlog for these vehicles right now. I

1642
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: personally put a deposit down on an EV nearly a

1643
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: year ago before the largest surgeon purchases, and I am

1644
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 1: still waiting on delivery. Can they secure the raw materials

1645
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: and supply chains and workforce necessary to make mass scale

1646
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: EV dreams a reality another big question there, possibly, though,

1647
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: the biggest hurdle is California's straining power grid. Now this

1648
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: was flagged to me by Sager. The state literally just

1649
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: put out a bullet and warning of potential blackouts and

1650
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: requesting EV owners not to charge their cars if possible

1651
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: due to a big West Coast heat wave. Seems like

1652
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: kind of an issue for their imagine electrified future and

1653
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: a stumbling block for plenty of other states as well.

1654
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: So that is EV's but that is really just the start. Well,

1655
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: California's Democrats ultimately punted on universal health care. They are

1656
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: dabbling in public pharma in a way that is quite

1657
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: exciting and potentially quite meaningful. Now, as you likely know,

1658
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,879
Speaker 1: millions of Americans depend on insulin, which while cheap to produce,

1659
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: is insanely expensive for the American consumer. Americans pay on

1660
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: average ninety eight dollars and seventy cents for one vial

1661
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: of insulin. That is ten times higher than the cost

1662
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: in every other country when you average them together. The

1663
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: next highest cost country is Chile, where they pay twenty

1664
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: one dollars per file, still a comparative, great deal compared

1665
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,839
Speaker 1: to what our consumers are paying. It is an outrageous ripoff,

1666
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: and it's destroyed the lives of Americans, force them to

1667
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: rack up debt or skimp on dosages, literally risking their lives.

1668
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: California's announced a one hundred million dollar investment in directly

1669
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,919
Speaker 1: producing insulin to be sold at cost to California residents,

1670
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: basically a public option for pharma, and frankly, the only

1671
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: downside I see here is implementation. Assuming they can pull

1672
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 1: it off, I can't imagine the plan will be anything

1673
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: but popular and very beneficial. The only question is whether

1674
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: Big Pharma finds a way to sabotage or snuff this

1675
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: direction out. As we have seen many times, they certainly

1676
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: have their ways. Such a policy at the federal level

1677
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 1: could be transformational, given the fed's ability to use marching

1678
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: rights to seize patents. Finally, though, the latest news down

1679
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: to California to me is the most thrilling. Then. Thanks

1680
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: to a grassroots pressure campaign from the Fight for Fifteen movement,

1681
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: the California State Senate just passed a potentially landmark bill

1682
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: which would institute a weak form of what's called sectoral

1683
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: bargaining for fast food workers. This is a baby step

1684
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: towards full sale sectoral bargaining of the type in effect

1685
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: in several European countries and at scale could be a

1686
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: game changer truly for workers. So to give you the

1687
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: basics here right now, as you know, workers face a

1688
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: massive uphill climb towards collective bargaining, and the effort must

1689
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: be undertaken shop by shop by shop. That's what we've

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Speaker 1: been tracking here so closely. Workers at Starbucks stores, individually,

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Speaker 1: Rii stores, and one courageous Amazon warehouse painstakingly going up

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Speaker 1: against corporate giants and unfair rules to win a union.

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Speaker 1: But that's only does the start. Next, they typically have

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Speaker 1: to fight even harder to win a contract as companies

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01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: are basically allowed to stonewall, throw up objections, fire people,

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Speaker 1: and drag their feet indefinitely. Non sectoral bargaining, as is

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Speaker 1: indicated in the name, the bargaining happens by sector rather

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01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,919
Speaker 1: than store by store by store. So in the California example,

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01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: workers across the entire fast food industry would benefit from

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Speaker 1: the wage and working conditions set at the state level

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01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: by a ten member board with representatives from both workers

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01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 1: and from industry. They'd be permitted to set the wage

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Speaker 1: floor as high as twenty two dollars an hour, and

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Speaker 1: the sector standards would apply to all workers at fast

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Speaker 1: food chains with at least one hundred locations nationwide. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the caveats. First and foremost, Governor Newsom hasn't said

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01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: that he's going to sign it, so we'll have to

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01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: see on that one. On the one hand, union support

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01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: nationally is literally its highest level since nineteen sixty five,

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Speaker 1: with seventy one percent favorability. That's incredible. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: from Newsom's perspective, the donor class and especially the powerful

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01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: fast food industry, is in a total meltdown over this bill,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see whether he calculates that public support or

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01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: donor support is more useful for his future political ambitions.

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Speaker 1: So that's number one. Second, the bill was weakened in

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Speaker 1: the Senate, which prohibited the board from negotiating on paid

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01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: and sick leave. Also struck a provision that would have

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Speaker 1: made parent companies responsible for the breaches of their franchisees.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about transformation, all though, just imagine

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01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: if fast food jobs were actually sell middle class jobs.

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01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: That would lift standards, of course for those workers, but

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01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: also for other workers as their employers were forced to

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01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: compete as well. Now, it says a lot about the

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01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,839
Speaker 1: decline of neoliberalism that an ambitious political winsniffer like Newsom

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01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: is rejecting the Clintonian mantra that the era of big

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01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: government is over, leaning into government intervention in key sectors

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01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: of industry, rejecting in key ways the economic ideology that

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01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: is dominated for the better part of fifty years. The politicians,

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01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: they haven't changed, but perhaps the winds have. And you

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01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: see this too. We've talked about the sum with the

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01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: Biden administration. Like Joe Biden is still the guy. And

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining

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01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: us now is doctor John Abramson. He's been a guest

1735
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: on the show before, and he's got a great book.

1736
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Let's put it up there on the screen, sickening, how

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01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: big farm up broke American healthcare and how we can

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01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 1: repair it. So doctor Abramson, really appreciate you joining us again.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I tell shot of my

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01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: monologue today was longevity data about how many deep underlying

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01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: issues there are in American healthcare. Just as a doctor,

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01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: as somebody who studied this in the pharmaceutical angle as well,

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01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: just expound on that for us. What does this longevity

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01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: data and the decline in US life expectancy so precipitously

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: tell us about our population. What it tells us is

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01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: that our healthcare is very fragile, and that the COVID

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: epidemic pandemic has stressed our healthcare. But the decrease in

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01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: longevity for America and so for the past couple of

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01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: years is not entirely due to COVID at all. It's

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01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: largely due to the weakness, not the greatness, of our

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Speaker 1: healthcare system. Get into that a little bit as you're

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01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: looking at that data. Obviously, COVID took an enormous toll

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01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: on the population. And that's, as you're indicating, part of

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01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: what's reflected here. But these trends of lowering life expectancy

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01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: pre date the COVID pandemic. So at core, what are

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01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: some of the other more fundamental issues that you're seeing

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01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: in this data? Right, So let me just go back

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01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: and frame the problem. In twenty nineteen, before the pandemic

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01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: ever started, Americans lived three point three years less than

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01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: the citizens in eighteen other wealthy countries three point three

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01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: years less. By the end of twenty twenty one, we

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01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: lived five point three years less. So the COVID pandemic

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01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: has had a much greater negative effect on Americans overall

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01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: health than it has for citizens the other countries. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so, John, one of the reasons that we originally

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you was, you know, the Inflation

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Speaker 1: Reduction Act. There's been a lot of talks about on

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Speaker 1: the climate change piece, on the financial piece we've covered here,

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01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: but there was a medicare part to this as well,

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01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: which was supposed to address pharmaceutical companies bargaining and more.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about whether any of the provisions in

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01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: that bail are going to help the problem or not.

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk about each of the provisions. The one that

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01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 1: got the most pressed was the right for Medicare to

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01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: negotiate drug prices. And that would be a real good idea,

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01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: And it would be a good idea to negotiate drug

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01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: prices when drugs come out and we find out how

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01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: effective they really are compared to the previously available drugs.

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Speaker 1: But the negotiation package in the Inflation Reduction Act is

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01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: not going to get the job done. It allows for

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01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: negotiation of ten drugs initially, and then that goes up

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Speaker 1: to twenty drugs medicare drugs that are the highest pen drugs.

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Speaker 1: But the trick in this is that the drugs that

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Speaker 1: are available for negotiation have to have been on the

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01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: market for nine years for conventional drugs and thirteen years

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01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: for biological drugs, and not have a generic version coming

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01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: within the next two years. So it means that very

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01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: few drugs that are still on patent are going to

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Speaker 1: be available for negotiation. Now what this. In countries like

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Speaker 1: France and Germany and Canada, they negotiate the price of

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Speaker 1: drugs on the front end based on the effectiveness of

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Speaker 1: the drugs. But we have no mechanism for determining the

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Speaker 1: effectiveness of new drugs compared to other drugs, and we

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01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: let drug companies charge whatever they want. In the other countries,

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01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: they can't charge whatever they want. So we have this

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Speaker 1: enormously high priced brand name drug business in the United

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Speaker 1: States and this bill is just going to clip just

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Speaker 1: a tiny bit off of the tail of that hyper

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01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 1: profitable business. And I mean, do you attribute that to

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's I mean, these companies are very large,

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01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: they're very profitable. Money is very important in our system

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01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: of politics. Is that why we end up with such

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01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: a worst system and with these bearer incremental bear like

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01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 1: tiny little changes that are sold as a big transformative package.

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01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 1: Is that why we end up with such inadequate results.

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01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. I mean, it's clearly a demonstration of

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01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: the power of the pharmaceutical industry. But one of the problems,

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01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we end up with this

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Speaker 1: is beyond pharmaceutical lobbying and campaign contributions at all, is

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Speaker 1: that it's so complicated that the people, ordinary people and

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01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: doctors can't understand it. They can't understand that the United

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Speaker 1: States is the only country that doesn't have health technology assessment,

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01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: so docs don't know which new drugs are truly superior.

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01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: And we're the only country that allows drug companies to

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01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 1: charge whatever they want. So two thirds of the profits

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01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 1: from the global profits from the drug companies now come

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01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: from the United States. And this system not only pulls

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01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 1: money away from Americans, either out of their pockets or

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01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: through their tax dollars, but it allows the drug companies

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01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: to promote drugs that are no more effective than older

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01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: things therapies as if they were. So it's distracting our healthcare.

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Speaker 1: And this is the biggest reason why American healthcare doesn't

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Speaker 1: perform as well as the other wealthy countries. That it's

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Speaker 1: the knowledge that doctors have about the new drugs and

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01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: their rightful place in therapy that's the problem. And this

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01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: drug negotiation package, which pharma is crying like a sal

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01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: squealing like a stuck pig about that, it's going to

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01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 1: chill innovation and the pharma industry won't be able to function.

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Speaker 1: It's just complete. It's nonsense. It doesn't it's nonsense. This plan.

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Speaker 1: Out of thirteen hundred new drugs that will be approved

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01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 1: over the next thirty years, this plan is going to

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01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: decrease the number of new drugs by fifteen fifteen drugs,

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01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: and only one out of four of those fifteen drugs

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01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 1: is actually superior. So not a chill on innovation, it's

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01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: a scare tactic. Let me ask you about an idea

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01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: that is being experimented with in California, which I actually

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01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: talked about my monologue a little bit, which is they said,

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01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 1: all right, these drug companies want to price gouge consumers

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01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: on insulin. Obviously, this is a critical essential medicine for

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01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,719
Speaker 1: lots and lots of people. We're just going to invest

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01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars in making our own insulin, creating

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01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: sort of like a public option for this critical drug.

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01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: We're going to sell it more or less at costs.

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01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: If they want to compete with that, good to go.

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01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: But we're going to make sure the citizens of our

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01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: state have access at an affordable price to insulin, which

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01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 1: costs very little to produce. But the numbers I saw

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01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: on average a vial of insulin in the US cause

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01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: like ninety eight dollars. The average in every other country

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01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: around the world is like eight dollars a vial. What

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01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: do you think of that sort of direction of like

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01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: direct federal government intervention into the market, yeah, or state

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01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 1: government intervention. Yeah, yeah, I think it's brilliant. Michigan is

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01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. So the insulin analogs, which can

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01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 1: cost up to three hundred dollars a file, can be

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Speaker 1: made by nonprofits for thirty five dollars a file. The

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01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 1: key fact here that's being covered up by the Inflation

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01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 1: Reduction Act is that limiting insulin codepays to thirty five

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01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 1: dollars is going to be a good thing for insured

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01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: folks who require insulin who don't have enough money to

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01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: pay their copays. That's a good thing. But the bad

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01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 1: thing is that as the California project comes online or

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01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: the Michigan Project comes online and makes thirty five dollars

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01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: insulin thirty five dollar analog insulin, what's going to happen

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01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: is the drug companies, the brand name drugs are going

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01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: to say, hey, don't let your doctor shift you down

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01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: to an inferior generic product when you're doing well on

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01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: the brand name insulin, stay with us because it's only

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01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: cost going to cost you a thirty five dollar copay.

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01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: So what's going to happen is that that thirty five

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01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:12,480
Speaker 1: dollars limit to the copay is going to largely neutralize

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01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 1: the market benefits of California or Michigan selling insulin analogs

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01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: at cost. And the real issue underlying this that nobody

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01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 1: talks about it I've got a chapter on this in

1875
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 1: my book, is that eighty percent of the insulin that's

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01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: used in the United States is used by people with

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Speaker 1: type two diabetes. And there is no evidence that the

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01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: insulin analogs that cost three hundred dollars a file are

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01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: superior than the first generation of bioengineered insulin recommon in

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01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: human insulin, which does cost thirty five twenty five dollars

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01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 1: a dial when it's bought efficiently. And the docs have

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01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 1: been convinced through the drug company marketing that they should

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01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: be prescribing the insulin analogs to their patients type two diabetes.

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01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Ninety percent of patients with type two diabetes use the

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01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: insulin analogs when there's no need for that. And I

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01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: believe that this thirty five dollars copay is really a

1887
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: plan to continue to cover up that fact that the

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01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: doctors have been misled to prescribe the expensive insulin when

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01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: the far less expensive, expensive insulin would do just as

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01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 1: well for their patients. Well, this is why we so

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01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: appreciate your expertise. I'll remind people if you haven't gone

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01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: back and listen. Doctor Aberson's appearance on Joe Rogan is

1893
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: an absolute must listen to such deep knowledge of the system,

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01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: and we're going to keep coming back to you, sir,

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01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: So thank you very much for joining us. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Please, absolutely, it's our pleasure. Thank

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01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching. As we said, we're

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01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: going to announce it after but preempted by the media,

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01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: so be it. Apparently they care so much about Breaking Points.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Grimm and Emily Jasinski. We have that graphic. Let's

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Speaker 1: throw at a backer on the screen. Counterpoints Friday. Every Friday.

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Speaker 1: Oh beautiful, I love it so nice. That's what it's

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Speaker 1: going to look like every Friday. You guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: have a big, long, full show. We fully told them,

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Speaker 1: you guys do whatever you want, your format, your whatever

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Speaker 1: stories you want to cover. That's how it is here

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Speaker 1: at Breaking Points, That's how it works with every single

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Speaker 1: one to us. Yes, they're not well, actually they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be mean to me. I know, I'm more of a mas.

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Speaker 1: My feelings are too fragile. So it's going to be

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Speaker 1: amazing for the people who are premium subscribers. It is

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Speaker 1: purely because of you that we are able to do this.

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Speaker 1: We cannot thank you enough. For everybody who watches the show,

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Speaker 1: listens to the show, podcasts, et cetera, all of you

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Speaker 1: have done your small part and making it and enabling

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Speaker 1: us to do this. When we set out, all we

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Speaker 1: wanted to do was pay our bills. That's it. We're like,

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Speaker 1: just play the bills. I just gotta pay keep the

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Speaker 1: lights on here in the studio. But you showed up

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Speaker 1: for us in such a big way. We not just

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Speaker 1: pay our bills. We can pay other people's bills. We

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Speaker 1: can hire other folks, we can pay even more bills.

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Speaker 1: And that's just what we're gonna keep doing. So, look,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep scaling things up. It's very, very expensive

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Speaker 1: to do this. So if you in mind signing up

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Speaker 1: as a premium describer, if you have that ability, I

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Speaker 1: know the economy is tough, but if you have that ability,

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Speaker 1: if you believe in this mission, we deeply, deeply appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We can't thank you enough, and we want everybody to

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Speaker 1: know that we won't be here for Labor Day, but

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Speaker 1: we will be back. So Happy Labor Day to all

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Speaker 1: those who are all of those who celebrate, which all

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Speaker 1: of us, especially to those in organized labor of who

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Speaker 1: we stand with every day here on the show. That's it.

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Speaker 1: What do you have to take? Yeah, I just want

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Speaker 1: to say it is a big deal for us to

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Speaker 1: add a show. Didn't set up, We didn't we didn't

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Speaker 1: set out to do it. You know, they came to

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Speaker 1: us with the idea, and we're excited about it, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we really thought about it and what it

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Speaker 1: would mean for for you guys and for our expansion,

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Speaker 1: and felt like it was a wonderful fit, especially right

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Speaker 1: now to build out during the mid terms and you know,

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Speaker 1: have a product that's available to you almost every day now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're we're really excited, we're really proud to

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Speaker 1: be able to do this, and we're so grateful that

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Speaker 1: you have enabled it. So love you guys, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Have a wonder full weekend, hopefully long weekend

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Speaker 1: for you, and we'll see you back here next week.

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Speaker 1: See you next week.