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Speaker 5: It is Thursday, December twelfth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 5: episode number eighty four. Welcome to latest edition of The Break.
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Speaker 2: How is everybody doing.
Speaker 6: A episode eighty fix? Have we done eighty four shows?
Speaker 2: Yes? This year?
Speaker 6: This season?
Speaker 2: This season.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We usually get into the one twenti ist range by
Speaker 5: the time it's all said and done. Now this year
Speaker 5: may be a little less because we won't have the
Speaker 5: full week of shows in January.
Speaker 6: What why is it draft shows?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well I'll set with more draft shows.
Speaker 5: Yeah it works, but but no, we we We definitely
Speaker 5: are moving in that way because it also, like you
Speaker 5: gotta remember, it goes to the league here, so it'll
Speaker 5: go into March before we will flip to the next
Speaker 5: season of shows.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, we'll get we get close to it.
Speaker 3: Got this figured out, he does.
Speaker 2: I'll be doing it a while. Man, it's the season twenty.
Speaker 2: We've been doing this for a long time, you know.
Speaker 3: Season twenty.
Speaker 2: Got to say happy birthday to my guy Brian brought us.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, appreciate that. Guys, thank you very kind,
Speaker 3: thank you very kind. Thank you you were this past
Speaker 3: weekend though too right, Happy birthday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we didn't get to say that on air because
Speaker 5: he was We didn't do a show obviously on Sunday
Speaker 5: when it was your birthday.
Speaker 2: But happy belated birthday, missus Garcia and.
Speaker 7: Then seem to be yours.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah later this summer is Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: We had it right after it.
Speaker 6: We all was your January fifth, you're not part of the.
Speaker 5: It has to be well, maybe it was yesterday, David
Speaker 5: Helman is Saturday.
Speaker 3: Saturday. We had to run there, remember that. I always
Speaker 3: remember Derek like taking everybody to lunch and they'll go
Speaker 3: any like happy birthday.
Speaker 2: I'm too big for that. Man, I can't afflct.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 3: It's it's funny how that it seems like it grows
Speaker 3: and grows, and.
Speaker 2: My wife's like, save your money for that college student.
Speaker 2: We have money.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw some clips about that Columbia.
Speaker 5: Let's just yeah, as as Brian says, I'll give my
Speaker 5: cash yapp.
Speaker 2: Feel free to send me if you want to.
Speaker 3: Why. It's why we all have like eight jobs right now,
Speaker 3: just every one of our podcasts. Please watch.
Speaker 5: I think about kids, and they get more expensive every
Speaker 5: year from the time they're.
Speaker 2: Born all the way till noted.
Speaker 3: Yeah about that. It's funny, though, what do.
Speaker 8: You think I haven't gotten pregnant again. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 8: looking at the numbers. I'm like, because if you do
Speaker 8: something for one, you gotta do it for both.
Speaker 6: You know you're pregnant.
Speaker 7: What I said, that's why IV.
Speaker 6: What how much this figure?
Speaker 2: Breaking news here on the break listening, He'd be like, what.
Speaker 3: It's so funny how they figure out how to like
Speaker 3: go have dinner on you now, and then they'll be
Speaker 3: standing in line to pay the bill and they're like, hey, dad,
Speaker 3: can you send money? For me to they've already eaten.
Speaker 3: They've already like, I mean, what are you going ready
Speaker 3: to go? And goes no, we're getting ready to pay.
Speaker 3: Can you please help me save me some money? That
Speaker 3: technology has ruined me in that way.
Speaker 2: Literally money You got to send money?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could just hit a button and send money.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy. But he's figured out how to wait
Speaker 3: till he gets in line, the smart man to pay.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, Dad, I sure the bill is And
Speaker 3: then I'm like, okay.
Speaker 9: It's that intelligence. I got him to Texas.
Speaker 3: Smart guy. All right, let's jump in.
Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about today.
Speaker 5: We we're going to get into some injury dates, particularly
Speaker 5: on Cooper Bebe. We'll talk about about where he is,
Speaker 5: and then we're gonna talk a little bit about special teams. Yesterday,
Speaker 5: Mani Ouarrier had his first session with the media following
Speaker 5: the botched punt from last game and some interesting thoughts there.
Speaker 5: And then we're gonna talk about the Carolina defense and
Speaker 5: how it matches up with this Cowboys offense again. This unit,
Speaker 5: as we talked about yesterday, the offense has some interesting things.
Speaker 5: This unit, Oh my gosh, like that all the numbers
Speaker 5: say that you should be able to do a lot
Speaker 5: of good things against them. But we'll talk about that
Speaker 5: and dive into some of the players that you should
Speaker 5: be aware of. Let's start first, though, with Cooper Beby.
Speaker 5: He mispracticed yesterday with a concussion. Obviously, with a concussion,
Speaker 5: it's probably not likely in a short week.
Speaker 2: That he plays, I would guess.
Speaker 5: But I want to focus a little more on another
Speaker 5: like an offshoot of that, which is brock Hoffman, who
Speaker 5: has played, who played center and replacement and replacement of
Speaker 5: BB this last game. My question for you guys is
Speaker 5: do you think at this point, from what you've seen
Speaker 5: this season, because he's had a pretty good amount of
Speaker 5: playing time, you think he's a better center or a
Speaker 5: better guard.
Speaker 6: That's a tough one. I think.
Speaker 9: I think it's kind of the same. I don't necessarily
Speaker 9: see a major difference unless you do.
Speaker 3: Brian. Now, you know what's funny was were you surprised
Speaker 3: how quickly that competition ended?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: At training camp?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: Did it end quick?
Speaker 8: Though?
Speaker 9: I felt like we were like two or three weeks
Speaker 9: in a camp and we're like, Yo, Hoffman might win
Speaker 9: this thing, And I just kind of flipped around.
Speaker 3: I kind of felt like I felt like that there
Speaker 3: was maybe like two weeks and then we were getting
Speaker 3: into it and it was like, but I was I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna lie to you. I was on board because
Speaker 3: I wanted to see BB play center. Yeah, I misevaluated Hoffman.
Speaker 3: I thought Hoffman for one or two games get you through.
Speaker 3: I got to the point where I've started to ask
Speaker 3: questions on these podcasts I'm on about do you feel
Speaker 3: like I think I asked you guys this question. Does
Speaker 3: does does Hoffman and and say Basses play make you
Speaker 3: not want to think about a guard early in this draft?
Speaker 3: You know? Yes, for example, you'll know the name Banks,
Speaker 3: Texas tackle who a lot of people, and he won
Speaker 3: the Lombardi Award last night. But you know, we've talked
Speaker 3: about Banks being potentially a guard. I don't know, you
Speaker 3: might think he's a tackle. But does it do you
Speaker 3: feel like that if you're picking at eleven or twelve,
Speaker 3: that you would take a guard there? Or does BB
Speaker 3: or excuse me, has Hoffman made you feel like that
Speaker 3: you're you don't need to draft that guy there at
Speaker 3: that spot, that you could draft something else? But I
Speaker 3: kind of felt like though maybe maybe I'm wrong about that,
Speaker 3: but I kind of felt like the BB thing. I thought,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it was like Hoffman was out.
Speaker 9: I just remember Bebe couldn't snap the ball for like
Speaker 9: two and a half weeks, and it was like, Okay,
Speaker 9: I think Hoffman might win this thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, and we were talking about some of those problems.
Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden Bebe learned how to
Speaker 9: snap the ball and he was the center. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 9: it happened very It did happen quick.
Speaker 3: That's that's that. No, No, that's you. That's fair.
Speaker 5: It could have been perception, but it did. It felt
Speaker 5: like to me it was kind of a shell game
Speaker 5: from the beginning, like oh, Hoffman's gonna he's the starter
Speaker 5: entering camp. But it was just kind of like it
Speaker 5: was always gonna be Bb. That's how it felt. And
Speaker 5: maybe that's why I didn't. I didn't see what you
Speaker 5: think of it from the way you you thought of it.
Speaker 5: I just always thought, eventually Bbe's gonna be the guy.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that if Zach Martin was
Speaker 3: not playing right guard this year, say Zach Martin would
Speaker 3: have retired last year, I think you would have seen
Speaker 3: Haffman at center and BB at right guard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's where actually, that's where I was going
Speaker 5: with the question is if if you think Hoffman is
Speaker 5: as good a center as he is a guard, is
Speaker 5: BB then a better guard than he is a center,
Speaker 5: in which case maybe they flip if you if you
Speaker 5: go into next year, or even as if BB comes
Speaker 5: back this year. I don't know if they'd make that
Speaker 5: change just like the year. But at some point do
Speaker 5: you see that kind of flip where Bbe now moves
Speaker 5: out to guard.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you this.
Speaker 9: I've started getting active in my in my draft group
Speaker 9: chats again over the course of the last month, and
Speaker 9: as we take you this long yeahs, as we kind
Speaker 9: of just bs and everything, especially talking about last year's class,
Speaker 9: there are a lot of people that are like, so,
Speaker 9: why are the Cowboys playing Cooper b B at center?
Speaker 9: He's like, yeah, it's working out, but why is he
Speaker 9: not playing at guard?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 9: Hey, And so it always kind of makes me think,
Speaker 9: in the back of my mind, maybe he would be
Speaker 9: a better guard.
Speaker 6: But we can only see what we've seen.
Speaker 9: When I saw at Kansas State was a guy that
Speaker 9: was absolutely nasty at guard, and I've seen a guy
Speaker 9: at center who's been consistent for a rookie. He's been consistent.
Speaker 9: Is he still learning the position? I think so absolutely,
Speaker 9: But he's been consistent, So I don't know. I would
Speaker 9: like to see both.
Speaker 3: Why if Phoebe was healthy, why would I want to see?
Speaker 3: I mean, and I'm saying this, I'm asking, okay, a doga.
Speaker 3: I see that's Steel's played well enough. But there's a
Speaker 3: side of me that kind of wants to see guide
Speaker 3: and play right tackle me too, but also put BB
Speaker 3: at right guard and put Howp in it center.
Speaker 6: Just be cooking just to see, just for like three
Speaker 6: on this.
Speaker 3: Site, three games. But I but I'm not I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what. I don't want to do anything with Steel
Speaker 3: right now because I feel like Steele is playing pretty
Speaker 3: well for you. I mean, he's it's it's there was
Speaker 3: some times where you know him and Martin it was
Speaker 3: a struggle over there. But I want to see. I
Speaker 3: wonder if you would see if you did, because I
Speaker 3: don't want to sit there and say, okay, now Steel,
Speaker 3: go play left, go play left tackle and then we'll
Speaker 3: see how this works. But there's I would not be
Speaker 3: opposed to like seeing that combination with Hoffman at center,
Speaker 3: b B at guard and guiding it right right tackle.
Speaker 9: I think this team is one more loss away from
Speaker 9: starting a toy with those kinds of things. And Steven
Speaker 9: Jones said yesterday he was asked, Okay, hey, when do
Speaker 9: you start thinking about personnel changes, you know, just to
Speaker 9: see what you got. He's like, right now, we're playing
Speaker 9: to win. When that changes, you'll notice it, and so
Speaker 9: he left the door open for that.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that might.
Speaker 6: Be one loss away from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Brian, I look at that.
Speaker 5: And going back to your question about what you thought
Speaker 5: about the no, but think about what you were talking
Speaker 5: about a guard.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've seen anything.
Speaker 5: I have seen things that make me question whether I
Speaker 5: would draft a guard early. I have not seen anything
Speaker 5: that makes me say I wouldn't draft a tackle early.
Speaker 5: So going back to let's say Banks, if you think
Speaker 5: he's going to be a guard, I won't.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think i'd take a first round pick
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 5: If I have a bona fide tackle that I feel
Speaker 5: really good about and I'm up at eleven twelve and
Speaker 5: that guy's there throwing the guard up there.
Speaker 3: This is I don't know yeah, and I like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how you feel about this. I kind of
Speaker 3: feel like that maybe Banks would be this this tackle group.
Speaker 3: When you watch him and when we talk about him,
Speaker 3: it's not going to have the same tone that we
Speaker 3: had last year about this group. I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot more questions about this group playing. And I think
Speaker 3: one of the best ones, the Simmons from Ohio State
Speaker 3: who has a knee injury, I think he's going to
Speaker 3: be I think he would have been one of the best. Well,
Speaker 3: I think he'd have been maybe number one on this
Speaker 3: on the in my opinion on this board for tackle.
Speaker 3: But I think I'm I'm I don't know, because I'm
Speaker 3: trying to feel like, did Hoffman do enough at right
Speaker 3: guard to make me not want to take to draft?
Speaker 3: And you might think Banks is a tackle only I
Speaker 3: don't know that.
Speaker 6: No, No, I think you could play either.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that's so.
Speaker 3: See that's what I'm saying. I mean, do you you
Speaker 3: know there's a couple of positions now where I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: maybe I've seen enough. I mean, running back might be
Speaker 3: another one too, where you've seen enough with Rico Daddle
Speaker 3: this you're like, Okay, maybe I don't have to eleven
Speaker 3: or twelve maybef Genti's there the running back from Boising.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't have to do that because of Daddle
Speaker 3: the way he's playing.
Speaker 8: This conversation is making me feel so uneasy because the
Speaker 8: fact that you guys are starting to get comfortable with
Speaker 8: some of the guys on the offensive line, like, it
Speaker 8: just makes me because of the trauma I carry. And
Speaker 8: it's been so long, because if you think about it,
Speaker 8: I mean from the time I started, which was right
Speaker 8: before the beginning of the career of Dak where you
Speaker 8: had a pretty solid line. Zach Martin he's like the
Speaker 8: last piece of that line that was here initially. So
Speaker 8: it's crazy and to me, and this is just the
Speaker 8: course of the NFL and what happens, you know, players
Speaker 8: retire or they leave or move on or whatever. But
Speaker 8: to think now that you're gonna have to find that
Speaker 8: confidence in five guys that you can fully trust and
Speaker 8: move on from the well, what about injuries because recently,
Speaker 8: in the last few years, it's always somebody dealing with
Speaker 8: some kind of injury and going back to the draft
Speaker 8: and having to rely, you know, rely on drafting, and
Speaker 8: they've hit the nail or what is it, the nail
Speaker 8: on the head when it comes to drafting offensive players
Speaker 8: early on in the draft. But it's just hearing all
Speaker 8: of this, I'm just like, man, this is pretty wild.
Speaker 8: And also when you talk about the different combinations, it
Speaker 8: makes me think, when would.
Speaker 7: They actually do that?
Speaker 8: Aside from these last few games where they could maybe
Speaker 8: if they're after that percentage of chance that you have
Speaker 8: left for the playoffs, after that's out of the question,
Speaker 8: these different combinations, when do you expect the Cowboys to
Speaker 8: actually see that? Because sometimes even at training can when
Speaker 8: you talk about these different guys, I feel like, okay,
Speaker 8: that's the right time to maybe test different things. But
Speaker 8: you don't tend to see them shuffle people around that
Speaker 8: much unless someone gets hurt and you just are forced to.
Speaker 8: So I don't know, this interesting conversation when it comes
Speaker 8: to all these different players.
Speaker 3: Would you take an offense or defensive player if you're
Speaker 3: picking in the top five offense, how about you, Derek?
Speaker 2: Honestly, it depends on the play. I don't know.
Speaker 5: If I could say, I'll tell you this it would
Speaker 5: be a tackle, an offensive tackle, a defensive tackle or
Speaker 5: defensive end. Probably, yeah, think or maybe I wouldn't take
Speaker 5: a line back of that. One of those three is
Speaker 5: probably what I would take.
Speaker 6: My answers, yes, my answers, yes, Yeah, I would think.
Speaker 9: I don't think they're in a position right now to
Speaker 9: not take the best player available.
Speaker 3: See, yeah, I kind of agree. It's kind of where
Speaker 3: that's kind of where I hope this thing goes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I hope it's I hope it's if you if somehow
Speaker 3: and you know you're going to really have to It's possible, though.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just don't know how these games are
Speaker 3: going to play out now. But if you somehow are
Speaker 3: picking in the top eight, you know, where would you
Speaker 3: you would? I think you want to just take the
Speaker 3: best player there.
Speaker 5: But there are some positions that are off limits, right,
Speaker 5: like quarterback limits, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying like, there are some positions that.
Speaker 3: Off be honest with you.
Speaker 7: After after that contract call, I.
Speaker 6: Was like, the your girls, Like, I mean there, but
Speaker 6: that's the thing.
Speaker 5: There is a conversation to be had just from a standpoint,
Speaker 5: and it's not about Dak as much as it is
Speaker 5: when's the next time you think you're going to be
Speaker 5: in a position to be able to draft a quarterback high.
Speaker 3: I don't know, so do.
Speaker 5: You take one like Atlanta did to protect myself for
Speaker 5: the future.
Speaker 6: You know, why are we smoking here now?
Speaker 7: Because this conversation it just took a whole different Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well the thing about it is, I mean, as a fan,
Speaker 3: I kind of and I kind of knew this going on.
Speaker 3: You know, Steven Jones kind of talked about the plan
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five, right, didn't he yesterday a little
Speaker 3: bit about like, you know, hey, we're up against it.
Speaker 3: Don't expect you know, Okay, We'll get ready for the
Speaker 3: second purge of players that you found. Get ready for
Speaker 3: Jordan Louis to be gone. Get ready for oh so
Speaker 3: Diggy'szua to be gone. Get ready for all that depth
Speaker 3: that you know that was playing games for you this
Speaker 3: year to be gone. You know. Now we're I mean,
Speaker 3: do you feel you feel like, okay, if we're going
Speaker 3: to have another year of what we just had in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, you know, and not replace anybody except
Speaker 3: through the draft and college free agency.
Speaker 2: I mean, you need guys to play immediately in the draft.
Speaker 3: See That's what I'm saying. Though you might you might
Speaker 3: have you might be back to talking about picking a
Speaker 3: quarterback in the top eight again the next year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I made a dash over to the league meetings
Speaker 9: yesterday where we talked to Stephen Jones, and while we
Speaker 9: were kind of waiting on everything I had, I'd met
Speaker 9: a personnel executive in the AFC and we were just
Speaker 9: kind of talking draft and everything.
Speaker 6: He expects the Cowways take Genty.
Speaker 9: He expects there to be a running back, just because
Speaker 9: he was like, they have offensive line, they have defensive line,
Speaker 9: they have corners, they have they have a linebackers. He's
Speaker 9: like they are in a position where they are one
Speaker 9: playmaker away to be able to make some things happen.
Speaker 6: He's like, genty makes the most sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's before that's before you think about the free
Speaker 5: agency they may lose this year. Yeah, Like I think,
Speaker 5: before you think that, you might be able to say
Speaker 5: some of those areas you have something some players.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would be totally elated if they take
Speaker 3: that kid. Yeah, no doubt I would be elated. And
Speaker 3: you know he he does. He makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: But I also think about too that because to me,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to not in the first round. I am
Speaker 3: trying to get the safest player on that board. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get the safest the guy that has the
Speaker 3: least amount of holes that I know can help me
Speaker 3: in play. And it might only be for five years
Speaker 3: with that guy, you know. But if I'm the general manager,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, well, I might only have two years with
Speaker 3: this job. If you know any you know here, it's
Speaker 3: a little bit different. But I'm kind of thinking of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: if I could go and get the player that has
Speaker 3: the least amount of holes, everything about him is clean.
Speaker 3: Hell all that stuff. Now, people argue about the number
Speaker 3: of carries. They will argue with you about the number
Speaker 3: of carries. They'll say, man, this guy carries the ball.
Speaker 3: Tiz's argument to be had there, Yeah, yeah, and that's
Speaker 3: and that's that's where you're at. But as far as
Speaker 3: some of the as far as the best players in
Speaker 3: the country, that kid's one up there, kids, one of them.
Speaker 3: He really is.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take our first break. We'll come back.
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Speaker 5: versus Kansas City one hundred and sixty five yards, versus
Speaker 5: New York Giants one hundred and sixty seven yards versus
Speaker 5: New Orleans one hundred and ninety seven yards. Like, they
Speaker 5: are not just giving up yards, They're giving up a
Speaker 5: ton of rushing yards. You think you've seen bad run
Speaker 5: defense at times around here this year, they are making
Speaker 5: like they are saying, hold my beer, and they are really, really,
Speaker 5: really giving up a lot in the running game. My
Speaker 5: question is what makes the most vulnerable against the run.
Speaker 9: It just feels like guys have open holes. I mean,
Speaker 9: this defensive line is not impressive. I do like one
Speaker 9: of their interior guys from a pass rush perspective, but
Speaker 9: from a run defense perspective, I mean, these guys they
Speaker 9: don't move bodies, they don't they don't fill these gaps. Uh,
Speaker 9: there's just a lot of holes for these these running backs.
Speaker 9: You see it with Kansas City. You know they weren't
Speaker 9: even really fully healthy. But checko was just trying to
Speaker 9: you know, find his footing again. And then with the
Speaker 9: Giants as well. You know, they've had issues. I like
Speaker 9: Tyrone Tracy, but they've had.
Speaker 2: Issues the Giants.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's it's bad. I think it starts up
Speaker 9: front with this line. I think this line is really weak.
Speaker 9: Even once you Davian Clown, he's been in the mix,
Speaker 9: it hasn't been great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they miss Frankie Luvu who's now playing at the Commanders.
Speaker 3: And Frankie was pretty good at playing the run. We
Speaker 3: saw that with their own eyes when he was you know,
Speaker 3: with the with the Commanders earlier in the year. And uh,
Speaker 3: they just they really have a problem with explosive plays
Speaker 3: to explosive runs. You know. It's and they and they
Speaker 3: face a ton of carries, as you mentioned, they give
Speaker 3: up a ton of yards. They're not really good at
Speaker 3: playing on your side of the line of scrimmage, you know, contacts,
Speaker 3: all that stuff is usually on their side of the
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. They we always like to talk about
Speaker 3: the metrics of how many guys you're going to play
Speaker 3: down and here they are getting killed in the run
Speaker 3: game and they still play six men in the box
Speaker 3: you know, they think they can handle that and it's
Speaker 3: just not working for him. They play you know, they
Speaker 3: play light that way, and it's funny when you start
Speaker 3: to compare them with the Cowboys, you know, with the
Speaker 3: you know, Dallas was so bad for so many weeks
Speaker 3: and you know, trying to kind of dig out of
Speaker 3: that hole. But it just it doesn't matter whether it's
Speaker 3: run or pass. With this group, you know, they give up.
Speaker 3: They give up almost six yards of play, you know,
Speaker 3: and Dallas was Dallas is right there with him and
Speaker 3: the number of you know, the number of opportunities that
Speaker 3: teams have against him. But I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: though that it is about the front. They just don't
Speaker 3: have anything. They don't have any way to control the run,
Speaker 3: and teams know that and they just they load up
Speaker 3: and they and they go at them with it. And
Speaker 3: you kind of felt like that maybe that they would
Speaker 3: be a little bit better. But I think missing the
Speaker 3: linebacker Frankie Luvu, I think that really is as hurt
Speaker 3: them with this. With their run defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you look at their pass defense, there are
Speaker 5: some numbers that are equally as bad.
Speaker 2: They're about twenty eighth in sacks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty second in pressure percentage and in quarterback hits. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it just doesn't seem like they generate much pressure. If
Speaker 5: there is a guy though that you should be concerned about,
Speaker 5: who would that guy be in the front from a
Speaker 5: pass rush.
Speaker 6: Stand from pass rush. Ashawn Robinson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robinson's played really love for him. Yeah, and I'll
Speaker 3: tell you another thing though, they've actually if you look
Speaker 3: at the metrics too, on Clowney. On Clowney has been
Speaker 3: when he's been on the field and off the field,
Speaker 3: the number of pressures that they've had. But Robinson has
Speaker 3: played really really well for them. That was that was
Speaker 3: a good get for them. You know, he's he's the
Speaker 3: one guy. He's number ninety four for them playing on
Speaker 3: the left end and and he's he's he's the one
Speaker 3: guy you kind of have some familiarity because he was
Speaker 3: with the Giants and so he was part of that
Speaker 3: that line and really kind of was it wasn't had
Speaker 3: flashes of play, but here he's a little bit I
Speaker 3: think he's been a little bit more consistent with the
Speaker 3: way he's played.
Speaker 8: Well, McCarthy will be able to just do hither and
Speaker 8: there's so little room for mistake on this one. Whether
Speaker 8: he decides to throw some passing plays or run the ball,
Speaker 8: you can go either way.
Speaker 3: This just looking at and I know you watched the
Speaker 3: secondary here too. You know, Joe Horn was a name
Speaker 3: that was thrown around here a lot during that period
Speaker 3: when they when they took Micah Parsons, and you know
Speaker 3: that it was Sir Tan and it was Horn. And
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy had coached jac Horn's dad, Joe Horn, at
Speaker 3: New Orleans, so it was kind of like they was
Speaker 3: lining up that maybe the coaches were lining up for
Speaker 3: Horn and the scouts were looking at Sir Tan, and
Speaker 3: they've they've gone after Now you talk about the lack
Speaker 3: of pass rush, opponents have had a lot of time
Speaker 3: to throw the football against these guys too. They don't
Speaker 3: get pressure at all or quick enough put it that way,
Speaker 3: So that's a problem for their secondary. I will say
Speaker 3: this about Horn. Mike Jackson's on one side and he
Speaker 3: gets attacked a lot in this They got him in
Speaker 3: a trade from Seattle. The teams go after him Horn,
Speaker 3: They'll go after him. He's given up seven touchdowns this year,
Speaker 3: but his completion percentage is pretty good against I mean
Speaker 3: against he plays. It's not an easy throw against him,
Speaker 3: He's going to battle you back there. So I kind
Speaker 3: of feel like that Jackson is the guy to go after.
Speaker 3: They play with a lot of cushion. Did you notice
Speaker 3: that about this this team? How how they play? Like?
Speaker 3: I was curious because of watching the tape and I'm going, God,
Speaker 3: they're playing off so much off coverage. How they're doing this?
Speaker 3: Went back and I checked they play on an average
Speaker 3: of like seven point two yards of cushion on the outside.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here thinking, no wonder, you're getting crushed on,
Speaker 3: you know, No wonder, you can't stopped. You have no
Speaker 3: pass rush and you're playing cushion, you know.
Speaker 6: And I think maybe that's a reaction to no pass rush.
Speaker 3: They they maybe they're trying to keep everything in front
Speaker 3: of them. Maybe they're not trying to give up the
Speaker 3: big plays. But I was surprised, especially with Horn, you know,
Speaker 3: he's kind of a man man player, get up on you,
Speaker 3: kind of disrupt you, kind of. But when you're telling
Speaker 3: me they're playing set and that I think that was
Speaker 3: I think that's third or fourth most in the league.
Speaker 3: When you start to talk about that, so that that
Speaker 3: you know, amber you're kind of making fun of Oh,
Speaker 3: Mike can kind of do you know. Mike might look
Speaker 3: at that and say, well, geez, we could throw. We
Speaker 3: could throw on these guys who we could protect, and
Speaker 3: then we could make and we could throw with that cushion.
Speaker 3: We can run our we can run our inside game,
Speaker 3: or we can run our slants. We can run our
Speaker 3: you know, and if they're not going to press us,
Speaker 3: then that that plays. That's good for the Cowboys, because
Speaker 3: the Cowboys have struggled getting off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5: So here's the millionaire question. You look at this defense
Speaker 5: and statistically they're the worst in the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: How the heck are they playing all these teams so close?
Speaker 5: They've had a lot of games that they've lost that
Speaker 5: have been really close games to get some really good teams.
Speaker 5: Why team's not running through them and putting up thirty
Speaker 5: forty points every week?
Speaker 2: If this defense is so statistically bad.
Speaker 9: Ye know, how like sometimes offense is the best defense,
Speaker 9: and I think this offense is just playing a lot better. Yeah,
Speaker 9: maintaining time in possession a little bit more as the
Speaker 9: games have gone by. That's at least what I noticed
Speaker 9: from the Chiefs game, because I looked at that one specifically,
Speaker 9: like how did they have a chance. It's crazy, but
Speaker 9: I just see time of possession as a factor.
Speaker 3: In that one. It's Hubbard, it's running the football. It's
Speaker 3: that ability. Yeah, the quarterbacks not efing it up, throwing interceptions.
Speaker 3: He's the last five games is three touchdowns interception before that,
Speaker 3: I mean he thrown he thrown seven for the year,
Speaker 3: six of them before the time he got betched. He's
Speaker 3: protecting the football. They're running the ball with Chuba Hubbard.
Speaker 3: Their offensive line, like we talked about yesterday, is not spectacular,
Speaker 3: but they're getting it. They're and it does fishing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I it's it is a mystery to me why
Speaker 3: that teams, but they're on par They're on par with
Speaker 3: the Cowboy and the Cowboys started so badly. They so badly.
Speaker 3: I mean, just to give you an example of things,
Speaker 3: like I was looking at this, we were talking about
Speaker 3: blitz numbers and stuff. Dallas and Carolina have blitzed roughly
Speaker 3: the same amount on defense splitz people. Dallas has got.
Speaker 3: Dallas has got, like I think I wrote, I wrote
Speaker 3: it down in my notes here, but I was just
Speaker 3: because I was looking at Dallas has how many more
Speaker 3: pressures than than they have eleven more sacks than what
Speaker 3: Carolina has with the same amount of blitz pressure. Okay, yeah, Dallas.
Speaker 3: Carolina splitzed one hundred and forty nine times. Dallas has blitzed.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, Dallas splits one hundred and forty nine times
Speaker 3: Caroline hundred and forty seven. Dallas has fifty two more
Speaker 3: pressures off those blitzes and eleven more sacks, wow, than
Speaker 3: what Carolina has. But that's so even.
Speaker 2: When they're blistening it just they're getting no pressure.
Speaker 3: And another thing is, you want to talk about problems
Speaker 3: that teams have, they get down in the red zone.
Speaker 3: And I always like to look at how many completions
Speaker 3: do you get down there in the red zone? Just
Speaker 3: a note I put here, They've had twenty nine attempts
Speaker 3: down there against them in the red zone completion percentage
Speaker 3: about fifty two percent. That's the fifth worst in the league.
Speaker 3: Dallas is second in that category. They've given up there.
Speaker 3: They're they're given a fifty nine percent completion down there.
Speaker 3: We understand why Dallas has problem. Carolina's got the same
Speaker 3: kind of problems. But you're right, teams have not taken
Speaker 3: advantage of them at least the last five weeks. And
Speaker 3: I think it's to your point, Nick, it's because the
Speaker 3: quarterback's playing better. They run the football, and they find
Speaker 3: a way to kind of hold things in games with
Speaker 3: their offense and with their with the running game and
Speaker 3: then with guys like Thielan and others to make some plays.
Speaker 2: He seems good.
Speaker 9: I think just this defense overall, kind of going back
Speaker 9: to their run defense. Back to that subject. Nine times
Speaker 9: out of ten, when a safety is leading your team
Speaker 9: in tackles, that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I do like Xavier Woods. He leads the scene in tackles,
Speaker 9: he leads him in interceptions.
Speaker 2: Cowboys.
Speaker 9: Yeah right, And I think I think there's a I
Speaker 9: think that's an indictment on this rush defense.
Speaker 6: But I do like Xavier Woods. I think I think
Speaker 6: he's being asked to do a lot from that third level.
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Speaker 3: All Right, here we go.
Speaker 5: I got some questions for you guys about this Cowboys offense.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start here and this is a bigger picture question.
Speaker 5: So which is better at this point for Dallas their
Speaker 5: run offense or their past offense run offense?
Speaker 3: Run?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll expand you look, it is more consistent.
Speaker 2: Amazing, they haven't to be saying without with that beat,
Speaker 2: like just like run off.
Speaker 3: You look at the last several weeks. I mean it
Speaker 3: goes back to Carolina Tube Hubbard. The the two backs
Speaker 3: that had the most successful runs are your guy and
Speaker 3: Chuba Hubbard.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's amazing. Four yard for your successful
Speaker 3: runs are deemed four plus yards a car You're got
Speaker 3: one and two playing this week against.
Speaker 2: And he only had eighteen cares in this last the game.
Speaker 2: Just stop throwing that back out there.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying this should happen, but if Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 9: is the only receiver back on this team next year,
Speaker 9: you wouldn't get a complaint from me necessarily you want
Speaker 9: to just revamp the whole group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I appreciate you having the guts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 9: I'm just saying you would have get a complaint from
Speaker 9: what I had happened, because then you would be wasting
Speaker 9: that fourth round pick.
Speaker 6: You would be wasting You can't do that. You wouldn't
Speaker 6: get a complain for me.
Speaker 5: But I will say is the man's ability to block
Speaker 5: is better for anybody in that room right now.
Speaker 2: That that alone makes me say I want it. I
Speaker 2: want him back and you can figure out.
Speaker 5: We'll see if we can figure out how Dak can
Speaker 5: get him the ball. Actually good pass, you'll see.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I really do appreciate your honesty
Speaker 3: there because I yesterday I got into that same discussion
Speaker 3: and actually was on with my guy Watch Lombardi last night.
Speaker 3: We were talking about and I said, listen, you got
Speaker 3: one receiver. I mean, just the Tolbert stuff and all that.
Speaker 3: I I was, I was willing, I was hopeful. I
Speaker 3: wanted to see, you know, And he says, well, his
Speaker 3: numbers are same as Michael Gallup. Basically, I said, that's
Speaker 3: the problem. And he's out and he's gone. That's the problem.
Speaker 3: And you know with with I think he you know,
Speaker 3: to me, it's you needed more. You needed a lot
Speaker 3: more over there, and you know Cooks got injured. That
Speaker 3: that really hurts you. I still think Cooks could play.
Speaker 3: But you're you're not wrong. It's it's Michael, it's it's
Speaker 3: ceedee lamb and and go and try and revamp this thing.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you at all.
Speaker 9: But talking about the I bring that up just because
Speaker 9: the past, the past offense. I don't think is reliable
Speaker 9: enough right now. And you look at Cooper Rush quarterback
Speaker 9: throw either. Yeah, you look at Cooper Rush as well.
Speaker 9: He didn't have the greatest game against against Cincinnati. So yeah,
Speaker 9: I think if they can, if they can maintain the
Speaker 9: run when the time of possession battle in these games,
Speaker 9: they can, they can rattle off two or three wins here.
Speaker 3: I do believe that.
Speaker 8: So you also have to remember, like, so it's not
Speaker 8: like just because you're having a back up right now,
Speaker 8: you've seen this a good chunk of the season. It
Speaker 8: was with Dak Prescott as to quarterback, and they were
Speaker 8: still struggling a whole lot.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 5: So that being said, here's the next question of that,
Speaker 5: where's your level of confidence with Koper Rush? I think
Speaker 5: coming into this year relative to where it was then
Speaker 5: versus where it is now seeing him play these games,
Speaker 5: do you feel like you have the same level of confidence.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's more, do you think it's less.
Speaker 9: I think there were rightful questions whenever he came in
Speaker 9: to start for Dak Prescott, just because we hadn't seen
Speaker 9: him in two years. Yeah, and I think I look,
Speaker 9: I've looked back to camp and he had had some
Speaker 9: issues at camp, and I wonder if there was a
Speaker 9: conversation had with him at camp to start taking more chances,
Speaker 9: just to see what that looked like.
Speaker 6: Because he pushed the ball down the field.
Speaker 3: Did he look better? He looked better at camp.
Speaker 9: Granted he made mistakes on the same end, but he
Speaker 9: was pushing the ball down the field. You've seen him
Speaker 9: try that a couple of more times this time around,
Speaker 9: as compared to twenty twenty two. But again, in twenty
Speaker 9: twenty two, he had a lot more working for him
Speaker 9: than against him, and he has a lot more working
Speaker 9: against him than for him now. So my confidence in
Speaker 9: Cooper Rush are you asking for the future or.
Speaker 6: For the same games.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying in general, where you thought he was
Speaker 5: at the beginning of the season, your level of confidence
Speaker 5: there to where it is now.
Speaker 12: Is more?
Speaker 2: Is the same? Is it less?
Speaker 9: I would say it's probably the same, because I've never
Speaker 9: seen him as the guy that'll win you the game.
Speaker 3: You know what, there's a weird side of me that
Speaker 3: thinks they're not going to play Trey Lance because they
Speaker 3: want to sign him cheap.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought about that. I've thought about that as well.
Speaker 3: If you don't play Trey Lance. And he goes out
Speaker 3: there and say he has success, say, I mean maybe
Speaker 3: it's maybe you have four games he wins, maybe he's
Speaker 3: two and two. But all of a sudden, you see
Speaker 3: some sparks in the offense. You see the running game,
Speaker 3: you see him running the ball, you see him kind
Speaker 3: of finding some receivers mart that. Yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: now it's like whoa Trey Lance? Might someone might want
Speaker 3: to go and sign Trey Lance. There's a side of me,
Speaker 3: a sneaky side that's feeling like that they're not going
Speaker 3: to play Tray Lance just because they're gonna They're gonna see,
Speaker 3: they're gonna see like, okay, hey listen, I hey, it
Speaker 3: didn't work out for you here as far as getting
Speaker 3: a bunch of snaps, Da da da da da, we'd
Speaker 3: like to have you back. And then it turns into
Speaker 3: Trey Lanceton becomes your backup quarterback and then they move
Speaker 3: on from Cooper Rush.
Speaker 6: I definitely could see that.
Speaker 3: I think they're I think they're playing the game with
Speaker 3: us right now. They don't want him to play because
Speaker 3: they don't want his marketability.
Speaker 14: To go up.
Speaker 6: That's the draft. A guy late day three or bring
Speaker 6: back will career.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, in this in today's world, I unless you're
Speaker 8: a quarterback answer the question. Yea, unless you're a quarterback
Speaker 8: that is highly accurate. You have to be able to
Speaker 8: move out of the pocket like I'm not and I'm
Speaker 8: not saying be a runner and then an extremely mobile quarterback.
Speaker 8: But you have to have that flexibility in your body
Speaker 8: to be able to do that at times and not
Speaker 8: lose visions so bad.
Speaker 7: Like there are times that he just stands.
Speaker 8: There and I'm like, at least like have that natural
Speaker 8: instinct of survival of like getting out and yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean it's just a natural instinct of humans, you know.
Speaker 7: You see then you're, oh, crap, let me try to run.
Speaker 4: But I get it.
Speaker 8: When it comes to fight or fly, I just stay still.
Speaker 8: I'm just like I freeze. Uh So maybe he has
Speaker 8: that freeze moment. No, it's absolutely terrible. Then that's why
Speaker 8: I'm talking about it.
Speaker 6: But not a quarterback exactly.
Speaker 8: You do not want Yeah, but you don't want that
Speaker 8: in your quarterback in today's world. And he you know,
Speaker 8: I also have to remember too that who was calling
Speaker 8: the place when he had that success. Again, different offense
Speaker 8: Kellen Moore was the one still calling the place there
Speaker 8: and I have a lot of issues with the play
Speaker 8: color and remembering again how bad the offense still looked
Speaker 8: with Dak Prescott as your starter. So it's just it's
Speaker 8: it's hard to evaluate at times because the offense has
Speaker 8: just overall been so bad. But at the same time,
Speaker 8: there are plays that you see him make and throws
Speaker 8: that he throws, and there's no there's no justification for
Speaker 8: that either.
Speaker 5: All Right, I think we're gonna have to wait on
Speaker 5: the Orior over Warria conversation.
Speaker 2: Will save that until tomorrow. That'll be a wrap for
Speaker 2: us today.
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