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Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 3: It's time for the Break.

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Speaker 1: On Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Were on Break with Mbar Garcia,

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Speaker 1: Brian brought us, Nick Harris and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 5: It is Thursday, December twelfth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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Speaker 5: episode number eighty four. Welcome to latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 2: How is everybody doing.

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Speaker 6: A episode eighty fix? Have we done eighty four shows?

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Speaker 2: Yes? This year?

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Speaker 6: This season?

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Speaker 2: This season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We usually get into the one twenti ist range by

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Speaker 5: the time it's all said and done. Now this year

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Speaker 5: may be a little less because we won't have the

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Speaker 5: full week of shows in January.

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Speaker 6: What why is it draft shows?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well I'll set with more draft shows.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it works, but but no, we we We definitely

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Speaker 5: are moving in that way because it also, like you

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Speaker 5: gotta remember, it goes to the league here, so it'll

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Speaker 5: go into March before we will flip to the next

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Speaker 5: season of shows.

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Speaker 2: So so yeah, we'll get we get close to it.

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Speaker 3: Got this figured out, he does.

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Speaker 2: I'll be doing it a while. Man, it's the season twenty.

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Speaker 2: We've been doing this for a long time, you know.

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Speaker 3: Season twenty.

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Speaker 2: Got to say happy birthday to my guy Brian brought us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, appreciate that. Guys, thank you very kind,

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Speaker 3: thank you very kind. Thank you you were this past

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Speaker 3: weekend though too right, Happy birthday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we didn't get to say that on air because

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Speaker 5: he was We didn't do a show obviously on Sunday

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Speaker 5: when it was your birthday.

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Speaker 2: But happy belated birthday, missus Garcia and.

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Speaker 7: Then seem to be yours.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah later this summer is Yeah, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: We had it right after it.

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Speaker 6: We all was your January fifth, you're not part of the.

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Speaker 5: It has to be well, maybe it was yesterday, David

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Speaker 5: Helman is Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Saturday. We had to run there, remember that. I always

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Speaker 3: remember Derek like taking everybody to lunch and they'll go

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Speaker 3: any like happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: I'm too big for that. Man, I can't afflct.

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Speaker 9: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's funny how that it seems like it grows

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Speaker 3: and grows, and.

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Speaker 2: My wife's like, save your money for that college student.

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Speaker 2: We have money.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw some clips about that Columbia.

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Speaker 5: Let's just yeah, as as Brian says, I'll give my

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Speaker 5: cash yapp.

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Speaker 2: Feel free to send me if you want to.

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Speaker 3: Why. It's why we all have like eight jobs right now,

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Speaker 3: just every one of our podcasts. Please watch.

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Speaker 5: I think about kids, and they get more expensive every

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Speaker 5: year from the time they're.

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Speaker 2: Born all the way till noted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah about that. It's funny, though, what do.

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Speaker 8: You think I haven't gotten pregnant again. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 8: looking at the numbers. I'm like, because if you do

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Speaker 6: You know you're pregnant.

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Speaker 7: What I said, that's why IV.

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Speaker 6: What how much this figure?

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Speaker 2: Breaking news here on the break listening, He'd be like, what.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny how they figure out how to like

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Speaker 3: They've already like, I mean, what are you going ready

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Speaker 3: Can you please help me save me some money? That

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Speaker 2: Literally money You got to send money?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could just hit a button and send money.

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy. But he's figured out how to wait

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Speaker 3: It's like, hey, Dad, I sure the bill is And

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Speaker 9: It's that intelligence. I got him to Texas.

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Speaker 3: Smart guy. All right, let's jump in.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to talk about today.

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Speaker 5: We we're going to get into some injury dates, particularly

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Speaker 5: on Cooper Bebe. We'll talk about about where he is,

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Speaker 5: and then we're gonna talk a little bit about special teams. Yesterday,

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Speaker 5: Mani Ouarrier had his first session with the media following

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Speaker 5: the botched punt from last game and some interesting thoughts there.

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Speaker 5: And then we're gonna talk about the Carolina defense and

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Speaker 5: how it matches up with this Cowboys offense again. This unit,

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Speaker 5: as we talked about yesterday, the offense has some interesting things.

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Speaker 5: This unit, Oh my gosh, like that all the numbers

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Speaker 5: of good things against them. But we'll talk about that

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Speaker 5: and dive into some of the players that you should

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Speaker 5: be aware of. Let's start first, though, with Cooper Beby.

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Speaker 5: He mispracticed yesterday with a concussion. Obviously, with a concussion,

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Speaker 5: it's probably not likely in a short week.

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Speaker 2: That he plays, I would guess.

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Speaker 5: But I want to focus a little more on another

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Speaker 5: like an offshoot of that, which is brock Hoffman, who

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Speaker 5: better guard.

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Speaker 6: That's a tough one. I think.

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Speaker 9: I think it's kind of the same. I don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: Brian. Now, you know what's funny was were you surprised

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: At training camp?

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Speaker 9: I felt like we were like two or three weeks

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Speaker 3: I wanted to see BB play center. Yeah, I misevaluated Hoffman.

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Speaker 3: I thought Hoffman for one or two games get you through.

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Speaker 3: like I think I asked you guys this question. Does

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Speaker 3: does does Hoffman and and say Basses play make you

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Speaker 3: not want to think about a guard early in this draft?

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Speaker 3: You know? Yes, for example, you'll know the name Banks,

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Speaker 3: feel like that if you're picking at eleven or twelve,

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Speaker 3: that you would take a guard there? Or does BB

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Speaker 3: or excuse me, has Hoffman made you feel like that

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Speaker 3: you're you don't need to draft that guy there at

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Speaker 3: but I kind of felt like the BB thing. I thought,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it was like Hoffman was out.

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Speaker 9: I just remember Bebe couldn't snap the ball for like

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Speaker 9: I think Hoffman might win this thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and we were talking about some of those problems.

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Speaker 9: And then all of a sudden Bebe learned how to

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Speaker 9: snap the ball and he was the center. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 9: it happened very It did happen quick.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that. No, No, that's you. That's fair.

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Speaker 5: It could have been perception, but it did. It felt

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Speaker 5: maybe that's why I didn't. I didn't see what you

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Speaker 5: I just always thought, eventually Bbe's gonna be the guy.

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that if Zach Martin was

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Speaker 3: have retired last year, I think you would have seen

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's where actually, that's where I was going

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Speaker 5: BB then a better guard than he is a center,

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Speaker 5: in which case maybe they flip if you if you

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 9: I've started getting active in my in my draft group

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Speaker 9: chats again over the course of the last month, and

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Speaker 9: as we take you this long yeahs, as we kind

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Speaker 9: of just bs and everything, especially talking about last year's class,

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Speaker 9: there are a lot of people that are like, so,

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Speaker 9: why are the Cowboys playing Cooper b B at center?

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Speaker 9: He's like, yeah, it's working out, but why is he

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Hey, And so it always kind of makes me think,

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Speaker 9: in the back of my mind, maybe he would be

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Speaker 6: But we can only see what we've seen.

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Speaker 9: When I saw at Kansas State was a guy that

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Speaker 9: was absolutely nasty at guard, and I've seen a guy

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Speaker 9: at center who's been consistent for a rookie. He's been consistent.

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Speaker 9: Is he still learning the position? I think so absolutely,

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Speaker 9: But he's been consistent, So I don't know. I would

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Speaker 3: Why if Phoebe was healthy, why would I want to see?

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I'm saying this, I'm asking, okay, a doga.

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Speaker 3: I see that's Steel's played well enough. But there's a

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Speaker 3: side of me that kind of wants to see guide

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Speaker 3: and play right tackle me too, but also put BB

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Speaker 3: at right guard and put Howp in it center.

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Speaker 6: Just be cooking just to see, just for like three

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Speaker 3: Site, three games. But I but I'm not I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what. I don't want to do anything with Steel

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Speaker 3: right now because I feel like Steele is playing pretty

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Speaker 3: well for you. I mean, he's it's it's there was

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Speaker 8: This conversation is making me feel so uneasy because the

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Speaker 8: And also when you talk about the different combinations, it

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Speaker 7: They actually do that?

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Speaker 8: Aside from these last few games where they could maybe

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Speaker 8: So I don't know, this interesting conversation when it comes

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Speaker 3: Would you take an offense or defensive player if you're

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it depends on the play. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: If I could say, I'll tell you this it would

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Speaker 6: My answers, yes, my answers, yes, Yeah, I would think.

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Speaker 9: I don't think they're in a position right now to

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Speaker 3: See, yeah, I kind of agree. It's kind of where

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Speaker 5: But there are some positions that are off limits, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying like, there are some positions that.

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Speaker 3: Off be honest with you.

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Speaker 7: After after that contract call, I.

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Speaker 6: Was like, the your girls, Like, I mean there, but

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Speaker 5: There is a conversation to be had just from a standpoint,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, so do.

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Speaker 5: You take one like Atlanta did to protect myself for

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Speaker 6: You know, why are we smoking here now?

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Speaker 7: Because this conversation it just took a whole different Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well the thing about it is, I mean, as a fan,

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Speaker 3: You know, Steven Jones kind of talked about the plan

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Speaker 3: Don't expect you know, Okay, We'll get ready for the

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Speaker 3: do you feel you feel like, okay, if we're going

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Speaker 2: I mean, you need guys to play immediately in the draft.

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Speaker 3: See That's what I'm saying. Though you might you might

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I made a dash over to the league meetings

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Speaker 6: He expects the Cowways take Genty.

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Speaker 9: He expects there to be a running back, just because

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Speaker 6: He's like, genty makes the most sense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's before that's before you think about the free

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I would be totally elated if they take

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Speaker 5: let's talk about the Carolina def Check this out. They

476
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Speaker 5: are thirty second in points against, They are thirty first

477
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Speaker 5: in total defense. They are thirty second in rush defense.

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Speaker 5: They've allowed two hundred yards rushing four times this season.

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Speaker 5: Check out their last five games at Philadelphia two hundred

480
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Speaker 5: nine yards versus Tampa Bay two hundred thirty six yards,

481
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Speaker 5: versus Kansas City one hundred and sixty five yards, versus

482
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Speaker 5: New York Giants one hundred and sixty seven yards versus

483
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Speaker 5: New Orleans one hundred and ninety seven yards. Like, they

484
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Speaker 5: are not just giving up yards, They're giving up a

485
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Speaker 5: ton of rushing yards. You think you've seen bad run

486
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Speaker 5: defense at times around here this year, they are making

487
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Speaker 5: like they are saying, hold my beer, and they are really, really,

488
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Speaker 5: really giving up a lot in the running game. My

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Speaker 5: question is what makes the most vulnerable against the run.

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Speaker 9: It just feels like guys have open holes. I mean,

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Speaker 9: this defensive line is not impressive. I do like one

492
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Speaker 9: of their interior guys from a pass rush perspective, but

493
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Speaker 9: from a run defense perspective, I mean, these guys they

494
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Speaker 9: don't move bodies, they don't they don't fill these gaps. Uh,

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Speaker 9: there's just a lot of holes for these these running backs.

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Speaker 9: You see it with Kansas City. You know they weren't

497
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Speaker 9: even really fully healthy. But checko was just trying to

498
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Speaker 9: you know, find his footing again. And then with the

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Speaker 9: Giants as well. You know, they've had issues. I like

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Speaker 9: Tyrone Tracy, but they've had.

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Speaker 2: Issues the Giants.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's it's it's bad. I think it starts up

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Speaker 9: front with this line. I think this line is really weak.

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Speaker 9: Even once you Davian Clown, he's been in the mix,

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Speaker 9: it hasn't been great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they miss Frankie Luvu who's now playing at the Commanders.

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Speaker 3: And Frankie was pretty good at playing the run. We

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Speaker 3: saw that with their own eyes when he was you know,

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Speaker 3: with the with the Commanders earlier in the year. And uh,

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Speaker 3: they just they really have a problem with explosive plays

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Speaker 3: to explosive runs. You know. It's and they and they

512
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Speaker 3: face a ton of carries, as you mentioned, they give

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Speaker 3: up a ton of yards. They're not really good at

514
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Speaker 3: playing on your side of the line of scrimmage, you know, contacts,

515
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Speaker 3: all that stuff is usually on their side of the

516
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. They we always like to talk about

517
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Speaker 3: the metrics of how many guys you're going to play

518
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Speaker 3: down and here they are getting killed in the run

519
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Speaker 3: game and they still play six men in the box

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Speaker 3: you know, they think they can handle that and it's

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Speaker 3: just not working for him. They play you know, they

522
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Speaker 3: play light that way, and it's funny when you start

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Speaker 3: to compare them with the Cowboys, you know, with the

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Speaker 3: you know, Dallas was so bad for so many weeks

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Speaker 3: and you know, trying to kind of dig out of

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Speaker 3: that hole. But it just it doesn't matter whether it's

527
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Speaker 3: run or pass. With this group, you know, they give up.

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Speaker 3: They give up almost six yards of play, you know,

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Speaker 3: and Dallas was Dallas is right there with him and

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Speaker 3: the number of you know, the number of opportunities that

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Speaker 3: teams have against him. But I kind of feel like

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Speaker 3: though that it is about the front. They just don't

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Speaker 3: have anything. They don't have any way to control the run,

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Speaker 3: and teams know that and they just they load up

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Speaker 3: and they and they go at them with it. And

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Speaker 3: you kind of felt like that maybe that they would

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Speaker 3: be a little bit better. But I think missing the

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Speaker 3: linebacker Frankie Luvu, I think that really is as hurt

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Speaker 3: them with this. With their run defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you look at their pass defense, there are

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Speaker 5: some numbers that are equally as bad.

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Speaker 2: They're about twenty eighth in sacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thirty second in pressure percentage and in quarterback hits. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it just doesn't seem like they generate much pressure. If

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Speaker 5: there is a guy though that you should be concerned about,

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Speaker 5: who would that guy be in the front from a

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Speaker 5: pass rush.

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Speaker 6: Stand from pass rush. Ashawn Robinson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Robinson's played really love for him. Yeah, and I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you another thing though, they've actually if you look

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Speaker 3: at the metrics too, on Clowney. On Clowney has been

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Speaker 3: when he's been on the field and off the field,

553
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Speaker 3: the number of pressures that they've had. But Robinson has

554
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Speaker 3: played really really well for them. That was that was

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Speaker 3: a good get for them. You know, he's he's the

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Speaker 3: one guy. He's number ninety four for them playing on

557
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Speaker 3: the left end and and he's he's he's the one

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Speaker 3: guy you kind of have some familiarity because he was

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Speaker 3: with the Giants and so he was part of that

560
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Speaker 3: that line and really kind of was it wasn't had

561
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Speaker 3: flashes of play, but here he's a little bit I

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Speaker 3: think he's been a little bit more consistent with the

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Speaker 3: way he's played.

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Speaker 8: Well, McCarthy will be able to just do hither and

565
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Speaker 8: there's so little room for mistake on this one. Whether

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Speaker 8: he decides to throw some passing plays or run the ball,

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Speaker 8: you can go either way.

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Speaker 3: This just looking at and I know you watched the

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Speaker 3: secondary here too. You know, Joe Horn was a name

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Speaker 3: that was thrown around here a lot during that period

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Speaker 3: when they when they took Micah Parsons, and you know

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Speaker 3: that it was Sir Tan and it was Horn. And

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy had coached jac Horn's dad, Joe Horn, at

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Speaker 3: New Orleans, so it was kind of like they was

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Speaker 3: lining up that maybe the coaches were lining up for

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Speaker 3: Horn and the scouts were looking at Sir Tan, and

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Speaker 3: they've they've gone after Now you talk about the lack

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Speaker 3: of pass rush, opponents have had a lot of time

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Speaker 3: to throw the football against these guys too. They don't

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Speaker 3: get pressure at all or quick enough put it that way,

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Speaker 3: So that's a problem for their secondary. I will say

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Speaker 3: this about Horn. Mike Jackson's on one side and he

583
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Speaker 3: gets attacked a lot in this They got him in

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Speaker 3: a trade from Seattle. The teams go after him Horn,

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Speaker 3: They'll go after him. He's given up seven touchdowns this year,

586
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Speaker 3: but his completion percentage is pretty good against I mean

587
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Speaker 3: against he plays. It's not an easy throw against him,

588
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Speaker 3: He's going to battle you back there. So I kind

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Speaker 3: of feel like that Jackson is the guy to go after.

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Speaker 3: They play with a lot of cushion. Did you notice

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Speaker 3: that about this this team? How how they play? Like?

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Speaker 3: I was curious because of watching the tape and I'm going, God,

593
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Speaker 3: they're playing off so much off coverage. How they're doing this?

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Speaker 3: Went back and I checked they play on an average

595
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Speaker 3: of like seven point two yards of cushion on the outside.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here thinking, no wonder, you're getting crushed on,

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Speaker 3: you know, No wonder, you can't stopped. You have no

598
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Speaker 3: pass rush and you're playing cushion, you know.

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Speaker 6: And I think maybe that's a reaction to no pass rush.

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Speaker 3: They they maybe they're trying to keep everything in front

601
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Speaker 3: of them. Maybe they're not trying to give up the

602
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Speaker 3: big plays. But I was surprised, especially with Horn, you know,

603
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Speaker 3: he's kind of a man man player, get up on you,

604
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Speaker 3: kind of disrupt you, kind of. But when you're telling

605
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Speaker 3: me they're playing set and that I think that was

606
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Speaker 3: I think that's third or fourth most in the league.

607
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Speaker 3: When you start to talk about that, so that that

608
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Speaker 3: you know, amber you're kind of making fun of Oh,

609
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: Mike can kind of do you know. Mike might look

610
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Speaker 3: at that and say, well, geez, we could throw. We

611
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Speaker 3: could throw on these guys who we could protect, and

612
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Speaker 3: then we could make and we could throw with that cushion.

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Speaker 3: We can run our we can run our inside game,

614
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Speaker 3: or we can run our slants. We can run our

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Speaker 3: you know, and if they're not going to press us,

616
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Speaker 3: then that that plays. That's good for the Cowboys, because

617
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Speaker 3: the Cowboys have struggled getting off the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 5: So here's the millionaire question. You look at this defense

619
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Speaker 5: and statistically they're the worst in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 5: How the heck are they playing all these teams so close?

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Speaker 5: They've had a lot of games that they've lost that

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Speaker 5: have been really close games to get some really good teams.

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Speaker 5: Why team's not running through them and putting up thirty

625
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Speaker 5: forty points every week?

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Speaker 2: If this defense is so statistically bad.

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Speaker 9: Ye know, how like sometimes offense is the best defense,

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Speaker 9: and I think this offense is just playing a lot better. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: maintaining time in possession a little bit more as the

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Speaker 9: games have gone by. That's at least what I noticed

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Speaker 9: from the Chiefs game, because I looked at that one specifically,

632
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Speaker 9: like how did they have a chance. It's crazy, but

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Speaker 9: I just see time of possession as a factor.

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Speaker 3: In that one. It's Hubbard, it's running the football. It's

635
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Speaker 3: that ability. Yeah, the quarterbacks not efing it up, throwing interceptions.

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Speaker 3: He's the last five games is three touchdowns interception before that,

637
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Speaker 3: I mean he thrown he thrown seven for the year,

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Speaker 3: six of them before the time he got betched. He's

639
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Speaker 3: protecting the football. They're running the ball with Chuba Hubbard.

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Speaker 3: Their offensive line, like we talked about yesterday, is not spectacular,

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Speaker 3: but they're getting it. They're and it does fishing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I it's it is a mystery to me why

643
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Speaker 3: that teams, but they're on par They're on par with

644
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Speaker 3: the Cowboy and the Cowboys started so badly. They so badly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just to give you an example of things,

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Speaker 3: like I was looking at this, we were talking about

647
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Speaker 3: blitz numbers and stuff. Dallas and Carolina have blitzed roughly

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Speaker 3: the same amount on defense splitz people. Dallas has got.

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Speaker 3: Dallas has got, like I think I wrote, I wrote

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Speaker 3: it down in my notes here, but I was just

651
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Speaker 3: because I was looking at Dallas has how many more

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Speaker 3: pressures than than they have eleven more sacks than what

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Speaker 3: Carolina has with the same amount of blitz pressure. Okay, yeah, Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Carolina splitzed one hundred and forty nine times. Dallas has blitzed.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, Dallas splits one hundred and forty nine times

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Speaker 3: Caroline hundred and forty seven. Dallas has fifty two more

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Speaker 3: pressures off those blitzes and eleven more sacks, wow, than

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Speaker 3: what Carolina has. But that's so even.

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Speaker 2: When they're blistening it just they're getting no pressure.

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Speaker 3: And another thing is, you want to talk about problems

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Speaker 3: that teams have, they get down in the red zone.

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Speaker 3: And I always like to look at how many completions

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Speaker 3: do you get down there in the red zone? Just

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Speaker 3: a note I put here, They've had twenty nine attempts

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Speaker 3: down there against them in the red zone completion percentage

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Speaker 3: about fifty two percent. That's the fifth worst in the league.

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Speaker 3: Dallas is second in that category. They've given up there.

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Speaker 3: They're they're given a fifty nine percent completion down there.

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Speaker 3: We understand why Dallas has problem. Carolina's got the same

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Speaker 3: kind of problems. But you're right, teams have not taken

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Speaker 3: advantage of them at least the last five weeks. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's to your point, Nick, it's because the

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Speaker 3: quarterback's playing better. They run the football, and they find

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Speaker 3: a way to kind of hold things in games with

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Speaker 3: then with guys like Thielan and others to make some plays.

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Speaker 2: He seems good.

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Speaker 9: I think just this defense overall, kind of going back

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Speaker 9: to their run defense. Back to that subject. Nine times

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Speaker 9: I do like Xavier Woods. He leads the scene in tackles,

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Speaker 9: Yeah right, And I think I think there's a I

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Speaker 6: But I do like Xavier Woods. I think I think

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Speaker 3: All Right, here we go.

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Speaker 5: I got some questions for you guys about this Cowboys offense.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna start here and this is a bigger picture question.

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Speaker 5: So which is better at this point for Dallas their

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Speaker 5: run offense or their past offense run offense?

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Speaker 3: Run?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll expand you look, it is more consistent.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, they haven't to be saying without with that beat,

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Speaker 2: like just like run off.

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Speaker 3: You look at the last several weeks. I mean it

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Speaker 3: goes back to Carolina Tube Hubbard. The the two backs

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Speaker 3: that had the most successful runs are your guy and

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Speaker 3: Chuba Hubbard.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's amazing. Four yard for your successful

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Speaker 3: runs are deemed four plus yards a car You're got

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Speaker 3: one and two playing this week against.

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Speaker 2: And he only had eighteen cares in this last the game.

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Speaker 2: Just stop throwing that back out there.

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Speaker 9: I'm not saying this should happen, but if Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 9: is the only receiver back on this team next year,

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Speaker 9: you wouldn't get a complaint from me necessarily you want

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Speaker 9: to just revamp the whole group.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I appreciate you having the guts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I ain't.

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Speaker 9: I'm just saying you would have get a complaint from

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Speaker 9: what I had happened, because then you would be wasting

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Speaker 9: that fourth round pick.

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Speaker 6: You would be wasting You can't do that. You wouldn't

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Speaker 6: get a complain for me.

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Speaker 5: But I will say is the man's ability to block

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Speaker 5: is better for anybody in that room right now.

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Speaker 2: That that alone makes me say I want it. I

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Speaker 2: want him back and you can figure out.

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Speaker 5: We'll see if we can figure out how Dak can

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Speaker 5: get him the ball. Actually good pass, you'll see.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I really do appreciate your honesty

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Speaker 3: there because I yesterday I got into that same discussion

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Speaker 3: and actually was on with my guy Watch Lombardi last night.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about and I said, listen, you got

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Speaker 3: one receiver. I mean, just the Tolbert stuff and all that.

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Speaker 3: I I was, I was willing, I was hopeful. I

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Speaker 3: wanted to see, you know, And he says, well, his

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Speaker 3: numbers are same as Michael Gallup. Basically, I said, that's

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Speaker 3: the problem. And he's out and he's gone. That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: And you know with with I think he you know,

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Speaker 3: to me, it's you needed more. You needed a lot

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Speaker 3: more over there, and you know Cooks got injured. That

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Speaker 3: that really hurts you. I still think Cooks could play.

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Speaker 3: But you're you're not wrong. It's it's Michael, it's it's

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Speaker 3: ceedee lamb and and go and try and revamp this thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you at all.

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Speaker 9: But talking about the I bring that up just because

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Speaker 9: the past, the past offense. I don't think is reliable

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Speaker 9: enough right now. And you look at Cooper Rush quarterback

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Speaker 9: throw either. Yeah, you look at Cooper Rush as well.

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Speaker 9: He didn't have the greatest game against against Cincinnati. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: I think if they can, if they can maintain the

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Speaker 9: run when the time of possession battle in these games,

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Speaker 9: they can, they can rattle off two or three wins here.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that.

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Speaker 8: So you also have to remember, like, so it's not

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Speaker 8: like just because you're having a back up right now,

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Speaker 8: you've seen this a good chunk of the season. It

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Speaker 8: was with Dak Prescott as to quarterback, and they were

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Speaker 8: still struggling a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 5: So that being said, here's the next question of that,

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Speaker 5: where's your level of confidence with Koper Rush? I think

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Speaker 5: coming into this year relative to where it was then

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Speaker 5: versus where it is now seeing him play these games,

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Speaker 5: do you feel like you have the same level of confidence.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's more, do you think it's less.

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Speaker 9: I think there were rightful questions whenever he came in

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Speaker 9: to start for Dak Prescott, just because we hadn't seen

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Speaker 9: him in two years. Yeah, and I think I look,

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Speaker 9: I've looked back to camp and he had had some

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Speaker 9: issues at camp, and I wonder if there was a

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Speaker 9: conversation had with him at camp to start taking more chances,

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Speaker 9: just to see what that looked like.

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Speaker 6: Because he pushed the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: Did he look better? He looked better at camp.

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Speaker 9: Granted he made mistakes on the same end, but he

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Speaker 9: was pushing the ball down the field. You've seen him

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Speaker 9: try that a couple of more times this time around,

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Speaker 9: as compared to twenty twenty two. But again, in twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty two, he had a lot more working for him

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Speaker 9: than against him, and he has a lot more working

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Speaker 9: against him than for him now. So my confidence in

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Speaker 9: Cooper Rush are you asking for the future or.

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Speaker 6: For the same games.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying in general, where you thought he was

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Speaker 5: at the beginning of the season, your level of confidence

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Speaker 5: there to where it is now.

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Speaker 12: Is more?

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Speaker 2: Is the same? Is it less?

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Speaker 9: I would say it's probably the same, because I've never

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Speaker 9: seen him as the guy that'll win you the game.

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Speaker 3: You know what, there's a weird side of me that

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Speaker 3: thinks they're not going to play Trey Lance because they

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Speaker 3: want to sign him cheap.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought about that. I've thought about that as well.

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Speaker 3: If you don't play Trey Lance. And he goes out

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Speaker 3: there and say he has success, say, I mean maybe

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Speaker 3: it's maybe you have four games he wins, maybe he's

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Speaker 3: two and two. But all of a sudden, you see

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Speaker 3: some sparks in the offense. You see the running game,

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Speaker 3: you see him running the ball, you see him kind

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Speaker 3: of finding some receivers mart that. Yeah, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: now it's like whoa Trey Lance? Might someone might want

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Speaker 3: to go and sign Trey Lance. There's a side of me,

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Speaker 3: a sneaky side that's feeling like that they're not going

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Speaker 3: to play Tray Lance just because they're gonna They're gonna see,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna see like, okay, hey listen, I hey, it

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Speaker 3: didn't work out for you here as far as getting

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Speaker 3: a bunch of snaps, Da da da da da, we'd

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Speaker 3: like to have you back. And then it turns into

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Speaker 3: Trey Lanceton becomes your backup quarterback and then they move

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Speaker 3: on from Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 6: I definitely could see that.

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Speaker 3: I think they're I think they're playing the game with

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Speaker 3: us right now. They don't want him to play because

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Speaker 3: they don't want his marketability.

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Speaker 14: To go up.

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Speaker 6: That's the draft. A guy late day three or bring

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Speaker 6: back will career.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, in this in today's world, I unless you're

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Speaker 8: a quarterback answer the question. Yea, unless you're a quarterback

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Speaker 8: that is highly accurate. You have to be able to

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Speaker 8: move out of the pocket like I'm not and I'm

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Speaker 8: not saying be a runner and then an extremely mobile quarterback.

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Speaker 8: But you have to have that flexibility in your body

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Speaker 8: to be able to do that at times and not

889
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 8: lose visions so bad.

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Speaker 7: Like there are times that he just stands.

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Speaker 8: There and I'm like, at least like have that natural

892
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Speaker 8: instinct of survival of like getting out and yeah, I

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Speaker 8: mean it's just a natural instinct of humans, you know.

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Speaker 7: You see then you're, oh, crap, let me try to run.

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Speaker 4: But I get it.

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Speaker 8: When it comes to fight or fly, I just stay still.

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Speaker 8: I'm just like I freeze. Uh So maybe he has

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Speaker 8: that freeze moment. No, it's absolutely terrible. Then that's why

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Speaker 8: I'm talking about it.

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Speaker 6: But not a quarterback exactly.

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Speaker 8: You do not want Yeah, but you don't want that

902
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Speaker 8: in your quarterback in today's world. And he you know,

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Speaker 8: I also have to remember too that who was calling

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Speaker 8: the place when he had that success. Again, different offense

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Speaker 8: Kellen Moore was the one still calling the place there

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Speaker 8: and I have a lot of issues with the play

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Speaker 8: color and remembering again how bad the offense still looked

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Speaker 8: with Dak Prescott as your starter. So it's just it's

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Speaker 8: it's hard to evaluate at times because the offense has

910
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Speaker 8: just overall been so bad. But at the same time,

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Speaker 8: there are plays that you see him make and throws

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Speaker 8: that he throws, and there's no there's no justification for

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Speaker 8: that either.

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Speaker 5: All Right, I think we're gonna have to wait on

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Speaker 5: the Orior over Warria conversation.

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Speaker 2: Will save that until tomorrow. That'll be a wrap for

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Speaker 2: us today.

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Speaker 5: We got to head off, get over here to the

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Speaker 5: Salvation Army, going to serve some folks today, So we'll

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Speaker 5: be back tomorrow until then for Nick Harris, Brian brought

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Speaker 5: us Ambergarciam Derek Elton. This has been the Break live

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Speaker 5: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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Speaker 3: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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